We got clones and even more clones.

[mybotisgone]

Marvel has got so many clones that I can't count them or that I just don't want to. So let's make this thread to talk about clones all of them. Spiderman clones, Civil War Thor now, and not forgetting X-Men clones all over the place. And now even the Ultimate Universe want's clones. I don't know about you but I think I'm all cloned out here. But what do you think?

[chickrockguitar]

For me, it depends on the clone...

I'm a big fan of X-23. But that's not because she's a clone of Wolvie. I like her as a character and I find her past pretty cool. Tragic, but cool.

Some clones can get on your nerves after a while though... I don't like the kinds of clones they bring in for only one mini or one arc though, those I do find annoying. Or clones that look exactly alike.

And, most "characters from future", I.e. Rachel Grey, Cable etc, get on my nerves also.

[mybotisgone]

For me, it depends on the clone...

I'm a big fan of X-23. But that's not because she's a clone of Wolvie. I like her as a character and I find her past pretty cool. Tragic, but cool.

Some clones can get on your nerves after a while though... I don't like the kinds of clones they bring in for only one mini or one arc though, those I do find annoying. Or clones that look exactly alike.

And, most "characters from future", I.e. Rachel Grey, Cable etc, get on my nerves also.
Well I like X-23. And there are some clones I do like. But I'm just sick to death of the overuse of clones in Marvel that's all.:(

[curefreak]

next up marvels clone wars:evilsmile

[Joe Acro]

next up marvels clone wars:evilsmile
Where all the clones are placed on a deserted planet with little supplies and no weapons. Chaos ensues.

[StoneGold]

And what's up with all the superheroes?

[mybotisgone]

And what's up with all the superheroes?
What???:confused:

[curefreak]

And what's up with all the superheroes?
yeah man what is up with them flyin around acting like they are better than everyone else.:mad:

[Joe Acro]

I think he meant, "Why don't they clone villains?"

Comics don't focus on the lives and internal turmoil of villains. As such, making clones of them would pretty much just seem like making villainous, suped-up versions of Maddrox.

[Expletive Deleted]

No, I'm pretty sure that's not what he was getting at.

[BizarroBeachHead]

No, I'm pretty sure that's not what he was getting at.
Oh thank God! For a minute there I thought I lost my ability to detect sarcasm over the internet. Phew!

[-S-Man-]

To tell you the truth I don't really like clones outside Sider-Man. I really liked the Clone Saga in the Spider-Man series. I don't really like a clone Thor, its just not right.

[captain_unimpressive]

To tell you the truth I don't really like clones outside Sider-Man. I really liked the Clone Saga in the Spider-Man series. I don't really like a clone Thor, its just not right.

What, weaponized, soulless replicas of schizophrenic Nordic myths aren't your thing?

[bloodyarts]

Wow, I wasn't aware X-23 actually had fans.

I mean, in general, clone stories irritate me. They're cop-out stories, setting up some decent shock and drama, then "BAM! Oh, never mind".

X-23 is the lamest clone of all. Just how the hell did they manage to get a woman from cloning a man? And why only 2 claws? The toe claw looks laughable, seriously. It's the stupidest thing I've seen in comics. She's the ultimate expression of Wolverine overexposure.

Speaking of which, how do you make a renegade mutant look badass? By kicking Wolverine's ass. YAWN. I'm not Wolverine's biggest fan, but when I saw her beating Wolverine, that was the last straw for me.

Someone please drop her in a smokestack. Seriously, what do people see in her?

[mybotisgone]

Wow, I wasn't aware X-23 actually had fans.

I mean, in general, clone stories irritate me. They're cop-out stories, setting up some decent shock and drama, then "BAM! Oh, never mind".

X-23 is the lamest clone of all. Just how the hell did they manage to get a woman from cloning a man? And why only 2 claws? The toe claw looks laughable, seriously. It's the stupidest thing I've seen in comics. She's the ultimate expression of Wolverine overexposure.

Speaking of which, how do you make a renegade mutant look badass? By kicking Wolverine's ass. YAWN. I'm not Wolverine's biggest fan, but when I saw her beating Wolverine, that was the last straw for me.

Someone please drop her in a smokestack. Seriously, what do people see in her?
Frist of all, all men are made up of XY chromosome and all women are XX chromosome. All they would have to do is take out the Y chromosome and double the X. There you go you got a female clone from a man.

By the way X-23 was first shown the TV show X-Men: Evolution. It's just that she was so popular in the TV show that Marvel had to put her in the comics. kind of like how Harley Quinn was so popular in the Batman cartoon TV show so DC put her in the comics.

So yea. X-23 has fans. Are she would never be in the comics in the frist place.

[Faded]

Okay, Civil War's clones are pretty interesting, with a unique and sick twist but I hope it will not be an ongoing thing. I despise clones. Can I like them as characters? Yes. But I still will resent them for being part of that crap.

However, I am not a fan of any clones so I really don't care what happens to them as long as they don't become of regular usage (like how X-23 is in New X-Men).

[mybotisgone]

You guy do know besides the hole Civil War Thor clone the Ultimate Universe is going to have clones to.

[Jake V]

You guy do know besides the hole Civil War Thor clone the Ultimate Universe is going to have clones to.
You mean the "clone saga" story in Ultimate Spider-Man?

None of them are true clones though, just altered versions of Peter's genes.

[mybotisgone]

You mean the "clone saga" story in Ultimate Spider-Man?

None of them are true clones though, just altered versions of Peter's genes.
OK???:confused: so called altered versions of Peter's genes is a clone. To take DNA or genes from one person to make a hole new person or persons in a test tubeor some kind of lab is called cloning.

[Jake V]

OK???:confused: so called altered versions of Peter's genes is a clone. To take DNA or genes from one person to make a hole new person or persons in a test tubeor some kind of lab is called cloning.
If you really want to go into definitions, a clone is defined as an identical copy.

And the "clones" in Ultimate Spider-Man aren't identical.

[Frank]

I thought it would have been interesting had the Thor clone come from SHIELD technology. Considering the pro-reg side is working hands-in-hands with the goverment and SHIELD, how about give them access to all the tech they had(not to mentioned the Hydra tech they stole). A small detail that would have made things more interesting than just "hey, we've created a clone".

[mybotisgone]

If you really want to go into definitions, a clone is defined as an identical copy.

And the "clones" in Ultimate Spider-Man aren't identical.
No it don't. Not all clone have to be identical to the original. The definition may say that but it don't hole ture. Look at X-23 where she is a clone of Wolverine but yet she don't look like Wolverine because of the fact that they took out Wolverine's Y chromosome and double the X in his blood to make the clone come out female.

Even when you take DNA or genes from one person to make other person is still called a clone. Even when the fact that X-23 was born from a woman she still seen as a clone. Because she was made from only Wolverine's DNA and made in a test tube in a lab that makes her a clone. Even if the person is not identical from the original person is still a clone.

It's like thay say, "Even copying machines can't print out identical copys all the time."

[Jeff-E]

I don't think clones are necessarily a bad idea, its the execution in which they are written that ends up making them bad characters. The Spidersaga just went too far and has given way to a mass paranoia in the clone realm. Had they just ran with their initial idea, fought through the fans initial reaction and not backed out of the story when they did it wouldn't be so bad. However when they tried to back-peddle and make the fans happy and explain everything away with "Maximum Clonage" it just made it worse. Clones in my opinion don't have to be a "lazy way of doing things" or a "cop-out" they can be fun, yes even the dreaded X-23 could be a decent character it's just up to the writer to do something with them and make them a decent character and a fun read.

[mybotisgone]

I don't think clones are necessarily a bad idea, its the execution in which they are written that ends up making them bad characters. The Spidersaga just went too far and has given way to a mass paranoia in the clone realm. Had they just ran with their initial idea, fought through the fans initial reaction and not backed out of the story when they did it wouldn't be so bad. However when they tried to back-peddle and make the fans happy and explain everything away with "Maximum Clonage" it just made it worse. Clones in my opinion don't have to be a "lazy way of doing things" or a "cop-out" they can be fun, yes even the dreaded X-23 could be a decent character it's just up to the writer to do something with them and make them a decent character and a fun read.
I see most of what you'r tying to say. I din't mine most of the Spider-man Clone Saga. I din't like it when they tryed to replace Peter Parker with Ben Reilly but i really hated when they or what you said, "explain everything away." But I din't care for the new Spider-man but I did like Ben Reilly as Scarlet Spider. The thing is that they should have never tryed to say that Ben Reilly was the real Spider-man that was mistake number one. But even if they did it would have been temporary. And this led off to mistake number two the killing of Ben Reilly. Now I did not like him replacing Peter Parker as Spider-man but I din't want him dead. In fact I would have liked it if Ben told Peter to be Spider-man and the hole thinking that Peter was the clone and Ben was the real one was fake was nothing more then a mistake. Peter becomes Spider-man again and Ben becomes Scarlet Spider and stays as the Scarlet Spider. That may have been better.

[Constantinople]

X-23 I don't mind. However Frankenthor (or Clor/Clone Thor/whatever your hipster way of naming him is) is a bit odd. I'd hardly think god-hood would be carried through the genes.

Although, I guess it could show how depserate the Pro-Reg side is. They've got to grow their own supporters rather than attract them like the Anit-reg side is doing.

[mybotisgone]

I like X-23. I like Ben Reilly AKA Scarlet Spider. And I even liked Madelyne Pryor. But I really don't care for is Civil War's Clor. Hopfull Marvel will kill him off and just get rid of him. Maybe the real Thor will come back and kill Clor off.:evilsmile

[mybotisgone]

Does DC have any clones?

[kalorama]

Does DC have any clones?

Bizarro. The Guardian and the Newsboy Legion.


If you really want to go into definitions, a clone is defined as an identical copy.

That's one of the definitions. But a clone is also defined as an offspring produced asexually from a single genetic ancestor. So a full grown (albeit altered) human organism grown in a lab from a sample of Peter Parker's DNA would, by definition, be a clone.

[bd2999]

Depends, some of them are good. I liked Scarlet Spider. I did not so much like the confusion over which was the real Peter and which was not but I liked the character none the less.

[mybotisgone]

Depends, some of them are good. I liked Scarlet Spider. I did not so much like the confusion over which was the real Peter and which was not but I liked the character none the less.
Me to. I liked the Scarlet Spider but don't like like when they tried to say that he was the real Spider-Man. But I hated it even more when Marvel kill his off.

[Jeff-E]

With Ben Reilly, I always thought, why not? I mean it really wouldn't have changed anything, all those Spidey stories we read still would have taken place, MJ and Pete would have still been married, and Ben would still be Ben and not Pete. I could see how the change could effect things, I was just one of the only people if not the only person saying, hey, why not, we'll get a new story or two outta' this. Clor is the same way, (I personally feel Clor is alot more clever than Frankenthor, or Bizarro Thor) they could have some fun with this guy and bring a new Thor level villain to the scene... if they don't "Reilly" it.

[Tobias March]

I don't know, I've always suspected that clones storylines stem from the fact that Marvel (and pretty much everyone else, but particularly Marvel) won't let their heroes grow up and do things like marry, have kids and die. Marvel Time's all screwy - most heroes are like Jack Bauer, they can't leave the house without a world altering event landing on their doorstep.

But I feel this way mostly because of Cable, who was first a clone, then turned out was cloned, but most importantly - was sent into the future to free up Scott and Jean so they could be singletons again. Though Mother Maddie got deaded. Then psychically cloned by Nate Grey. See it starts again! Arg!

Everyone thinks of the Spidey clones, that was a low point. X-Men has dozens of the feckers. FF has parallel reality selves as well as undead parallel reality selves, which is a real kicker.

Clones for me are like a red flag that signalling Bad Story Writing. Though that needn't be the case.

Eureka's clone episode was pretty cool. Multiple Starks!

[mybotisgone]

But I feel this way mostly because of Cable, who was first a clone, then turned out was cloned, but most importantly - was sent into the future to free up Scott and Jean so they could be singletons again. Though Mother Maddie got deaded. Then psychically cloned by Nate Grey. See it starts again! Arg!
Sorry to burst your bubble here but Cable is not a clone. His mother Madelyne Pryor is a clone but not Cable. Cable was born like everyone else was. He did have a clone called "Stryfe." But Cable is not a clone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_%28comics%29

[Tobias March]

Sorry to burst your bubble here but Cable is not a clone. His mother Madelyne Pryor is a clone but not Cable. Cable was born like everyone else was. He did have a clone called "Stryfe." But Cable is not a clone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_%28comics%29

No worries, my bubble remains burst free. I was referring to how the reader was led to believe Stryffe was the real son of Scott and Maddie and Cable was a clone. Stryffe certainly believed it and during their fight on the moon, Cable still seemed unsure.

And Maddie! Another frickin' clone. She was cloned twice!

[mybotisgone]

Cool. we'll just leve it at that. And as fare as I know it X-Man is not a clone. Do to the fact that yes he was made in a lad but the DNA came from two people. If it came from one person it a clone but if it came from two or more it's not a clone.

[mybotisgone]

Man, when you think it's over for Marvel clones Emma brings it all back.

[Joe Acro]

Man, when you think it's over for Marvel clones Emma brings it all back.
Seriously, there aren't clones. Learn the difference and stop complaining.

[mybotisgone]

Seriously, there aren't clones. Learn the difference and stop complaining.
I'm not really complaining. I just find the hole thing funny. After Grant Morrison's run on New X-men everyone would keep saying that this new Emma and Scot thing would take the X-Men in a hole new way. Clone are no clone this bring it all back full circle. I just love the irony in this.

[Hulkamaniac]

clonessss aaarrrggghhh!!!!!!! :evilsmile
I'm not impressed by clones in storylines anymore, sry I'm just a survivor of the original Spidey clone Saga and that killed all my tastebuds for clones in comics I guess, I rather see robots even, werewolves, even that weird X-man that had those stupid cockroaches or whatever they were, just no more clones please, lets put that one on the back burner for lets say 30 yeaers or so.:D

[brundlefly]

Depends on how they're used. A few that I like are:

Sinister's Marauders. I loved how after some of them got killed in the Morlock Massacre, Sinister just defrosted the next set and put them out in the field. Gave them a Cameron's 'Terminator'-esque feel. Even if you kill them, they'll still keep coming for you until you're dead. Speaking of Sinister....

Maddie Pryor. She served a storyline purpose (Sinister's honey trap for Scott Summers), but had a personality of her own and had a meaningful, tragic character arc instead of just being "Jean 2.0"

Ben Reilly. I liked the initial idea of his return, of realizing your thoughts and memories aren't your own and you're just a xerox of a "real" person and condemned to a shadow life, but then having that all called into question and it might turn out that you're the real you after all. He was a sympathetic hero and a good character, but I didn't like the attempt to make him the "real" Spidey. That took the story idea a little too far, I thought, and that's when things went off the rails as far as the Clone Saga went.

Red Skull 2.0 The idea of the Skull living on in a body cloned from his nemesis Steve Rogers, complete with supersoldier serum, is too cool (and fitting, given that Rogers is physically the blond, blue-eyed Aryan ideal; I'm sure Skull enjoyed the irony.)

Most of the rest are pretty weak:

Cable/Stryfe. Had Stryfe turned out to be Nathan Summers and Cable a completely separate character who opposed him in the future (no identical faces or "clone brothers" or any of that silliness), I think both characters would have been the better for it. Once you started going round and round about who was the clone and who wasn't, it got pointlessly convoluted, Stryfe lost all his credibility as a villain, and Cable really gained nothing from the experience. Completely unnecessary usage of cloning there, I think.

X-23. It's Wolverine! If he were a teenage girl and had four claws instead of six! Next, please.

The other Spider-clones. Kaine, Spidercide, the army of Spidey-clones, etc. Again, that's when that whole story went off the rails. Should have stuck with just Ben as the only clone.

"Clor". Kind of early to say, but the initial reveal was goofy, particularly these days with "he's a clone" being more of a punchline than a valid plot point. Silliest possible explanation for Thor's return, but it might be enjoyable to see the real Thor come back and be pissed about this.

I'm sure there are some notable clones I'm leaving out, but from this list, looks like the example to follow is that of the professionals like Sinister and Arnim Zola, who place quality over quantity and have a purpose in mind for what they produce, and not the unbalanced likes of the Jackal, who tosses out clones left and right. Stark and Reed should take note before they start mass-producing the Clors in preparation for MAXIMUM CLONAGE II.

[Sean Whitmore]

In a month, it will be exactly 10 years since the Clone Saga ended.

Can "clone" stop being a buzzword yet?

.....no?

Okay, I'll check back in in another 10 years.


SEAN

[brundlefly]

In a month, it will be exactly 10 years since the Clone Saga ended.

Can "clone" stop being a buzzword yet?

.....no?

Okay, I'll check back in in another 10 years.


SEAN

Heh, see that's what I thought was stupid regarding the 'Thor/Clor' reveal, in that they were keeping "clone" in the mainstream as a buzzword/punchline instead of just letting it go. Reed and Tony could have put together a Thor android/synthezoid, since the purpose was more psychological warfare and the hammer was mechanical anyway, but instead they go with "hey, let's reference the clone saga nyuck nyuck nyuck!" And this from a company that presumably wants to forget the Clone Saga ever happened.

[Kaos]

some are cool..ie. ben reilly...some aren't ie. CLOR

[DDM]

Madelyne Pryor worked well with the Inferno storyline. I did not care for Maddy's return in X-Man especially since their was an incest sexual undercurrent going on with Madelyne Pryor & Nate Grey. Euw. The Ben Reilly Spider-Man Clone Saga turned me off from Spider-Man completely to the point I have not bought any Spider-Man books since 1994.

Clones, in general, don't work today in the comic book world because cloning is a reality thanks to Dolly, the sheep.

[Omega Alpha]

brundefly, i agree with you on almost everything but this:



Cable/Stryfe. Had Stryfe turned out to be Nathan Summers and Cable a completely separate character who opposed him in the future (no identical faces or "clone brothers" or any of that silliness), I think both characters would have been the better for it. Once you started going round and round about who was the clone and who wasn't, it got pointlessly convoluted, Stryfe lost all his credibility as a villain, and Cable really gained nothing from the experience. Completely unnecessary usage of cloning there, I think.


I think that if Stryfe was Nathan and Cable a clone, it would add both characters tons of depth. I guess Marvel just did not wanted Cable to be a clone of a boring bad guy, plus just wanted to get Scott and Jean get married guilt-free (see also how they got away from the Jean/Scott/Betsy triangle).

[brundlefly]

I think that if Stryfe was Nathan and Cable a clone, it would add both characters tons of depth. I guess Marvel just did not wanted Cable to be a clone of a boring bad guy, plus just wanted to get Scott and Jean get married guilt-free (see also how they got away from the Jean/Scott/Betsy triangle).

I loved the idea of Stryfe as Nathan Summers and thought that reveal would have made him a lasting and major-league X-Villain, but when they flip-flopped on it (as you referenced, not wanting Cable to be just his clone), they took Stryfe out at the knees and he's been C-list ever since. You could keep Cable a clone after revealing Stryfe as Nate and it could still work (he'd instead be trying to be his own man, defining himself through his actions instead of his genetics), but if Marvel didn't want Cable to be "just a clone," he could have a completely separate origin (no relation to the Summers) and just be Stryfe and Apocalypse's future nemesis who's returned to the past to prevent Pocy coming to power. But the "safe" path that was taken was anticlimactic, wrecked Stryfe as a character, and did nothing for Cable, either.

[mybotisgone]

brundefly, i agree with you on almost everything but this:
I think that if Stryfe was Nathan and Cable a clone, it would add both characters tons of depth. I guess Marvel just did not wanted Cable to be a clone of a boring bad guy, plus just wanted to get Scott and Jean get married guilt-free (see also how they got away from the Jean/Scott/Betsy triangle).
You are talking about one of the best selling X-Men stories next Age of Apocalypse right. The hole Scott and Jean thing keep selling. From two sets of clones to their wedding to Age of Apocalypse even that Jean was with Logan and then left him for Scott. But it still sold.

Now we get this hole Scott and Emma crap. And what did that lead to. The Cuckoo sisters are made from Emma's eggs.:rolleyes: And this is what I mean by going back full circle. it sounds almost like X-Man all over again. Mr. Sinister using Jean's egg and Scott's bloood to make X-Man.

[StoneGold]

I loved the idea of Stryfe as Nathan Summers and thought that reveal would have made him a lasting and major-league X-Villain, but when they flip-flopped on it (as you referenced, not wanting Cable to be just his clone), they took Stryfe out at the knees and he's been C-list ever since. You could keep Cable a clone after revealing Stryfe as Nate and it could still work (he'd instead be trying to be his own man, defining himself through his actions instead of his genetics), but if Marvel didn't want Cable to be "just a clone," he could have a completely separate origin (no relation to the Summers) and just be Stryfe and Apocalypse's future nemesis who's returned to the past to prevent Pocy coming to power. But the "safe" path that was taken was anticlimactic, wrecked Stryfe as a character, and did nothing for Cable, either.
Ditto!

http://www.morethings.com/fan/blazing_saddles/slim_pickens-harvey_korman.jpg


Ditto?

[DDM]

Depends on how they're used. A few that I like are:

Sinister's Marauders. I loved how after some of them got killed in the Morlock Massacre, Sinister just defrosted the next set and put them out in the field. Gave them a Cameron's 'Terminator'-esque feel. Even if you kill them, they'll still keep coming for you until you're dead. Speaking of Sinister....

Maddie Pryor. She served a storyline purpose (Sinister's honey trap for Scott Summers), but had a personality of her own and had a meaningful, tragic character arc instead of just being "Jean 2.0"



Sinister's Marauders are formidable foes who have very effective, dangerous powers: Arclight shatters walls & the ground, Harpoon turns his spears into pure energy, Vertigo is true to her namesake, Sabretooth is the flipside of Wolverine, Prism can blind or burn depending on his reflection of light, Blockbuster has superhuman strength, Riptide is deadly because of his weapons he throws at superhuman speed, Scrambler mixes up even the best, most well trained mutants' powers, & Malice possesses people.

Unfortunately, the Marauders have not been written well since Chris Claremont & Louise Simonson wrote them in The Mutant Massacre & Inferno.

[brundlefly]

Sinister's Marauders are formidable foes who have very effective, dangerous powers: Arclight shatters walls & the ground, Harpoon turns his spears into pure energy, Vertigo is true to her namesake, Sabretooth is the flipside of Wolverine, Prism can blind or burn depending on his reflection of light, Blockbuster has superhuman strength, Riptide is deadly because of his weapons he throws at superhuman speed, Scrambler mixes up even the best, most well trained mutants' powers, & Malice possesses people.

Unfortunately, the Marauders have not been written well since Chris Claremont & Louise Simonson wrote them in The Mutant Massacre & Inferno.

You're preaching to the choir there, DDM. The Marauders were truly fearsome villains circa Mutant Massacre and Inferno, but they dropped off the map after Inferno ended and the next time Sinister showed up he had new lackeys in the Nasty Boys (who fit better into the comedic style of X-FACTOR) and I can't recall the last time that I've seen the Marauders since. I thought their mix of powers and abilities was perfect for their job (assassins) since Vertigo, Prism, and Scrambler could disrupt a target's sight, equilibrium and mutant powers, making them completely defenseless for a killshot from Harpoon, Riptide, Sabretooth, or Scalphunter. I was hoping they would finally return in CC's EXCALIBUR (since Claremont was writing it and Sinister & Scalphunter were both foreshadowed as being in Genosha), but alas it was not to be. :mad:

[PatchMadripoor]

Are we also including the Thanos clones?

Seeing them fail and die and then have them retconned as being inferior clones and not as nasty as the real deal takes away any malevolence or significance of having Thanos be part of story.

[Sean Whitmore]

Are we also including the Thanos clones?

Seeing them fail and die and then have them retconned as being inferior clones and not as nasty as the real deal takes away any malevolence or significance of having Thanos be part of story.

To be fair, though, seeing Thanos inexplicably return to mustach-swirling villain in those same stories takes away any significance of his own stories, where he outgrew such pursuits and wanted to find something more.


SEAN

[mybotisgone]

Are we also including the Thanos clones?
Well the Thanos clones is a new one I think. But like I said talk about any Marvel clone you want that's why I made this thread. But thanks for showing a clone I may have forgotten.:D

[Sean Whitmore]

Here's one people may have forgotten...

Professor Xavier is a clone.

That's right, his original body was destroyed by ther Brood ages ago, and his consciousness was placed into an Xavier clone. They might've called it something different at the time, but, y'know...clone.


SEAN

[brundlefly]

To be fair, though, seeing Thanos inexplicably return to mustach-swirling villain in those same stories takes away any significance of his own stories, where he outgrew such pursuits and wanted to find something more.


SEAN

Agreed. The "it was a clone/imposter/robot duplicate" route may often seem like a cheap 'out' sometimes, but it is quite useful when characters like Thanos, Magneto, Doom, etc. get suddenly regressed into cartoon villains after lengthy periods of character growth just because this or that writer wanted to use them as the "bad guy" for his story. One simple "no, that wasn't him" later and one can continue using the character's more well-developed incarnation without having to pretend that the aberrant story never took place.

[Joe Acro]

Here's one people may have forgotten...

Professor Xavier is a clone.

That's right, his original body was destroyed by ther Brood ages ago, and his consciousness was placed into an Xavier clone. They might've called it something different at the time, but, y'know...clone.


SEAN
I hadn't forgotten this. I think it was the second time a story had Sikorsky in it. That was a great medical feat. It's sad that they don't use him more.:(

[DDM]

Here's one people may have forgotten...

Professor Xavier is a clone.

That's right, his original body was destroyed by ther Brood ages ago, and his consciousness was placed into an Xavier clone. They might've called it something different at the time, but, y'know...clone.


SEAN

The Starjammers cloned Xavier's body, but his mind was transferred from his original Brood transformed body; as a result, the Brood Queen died. Xavier himself is not a true clone though given his original mind was transferred from one body to another. Furthermore, his new body gave Xavier the chance to walk again & the body is several years younger than his original body.

[mybotisgone]

Mr. Sinister's body is made up from parts of other mutant's DNA. In fact Mr. Sinister's body is clone parts.

[brundlefly]

Mr. Sinister's body is made up from parts of other mutant's DNA. In fact Mr. Sinister's body is clone parts.

Well, he's less a Frankenstein's monster made out of clone parts than he is a product of the combination of Apocalypse's initial Celestial tech-induced controlled mutation and then his own innovative DNA-splicing techniques to grant himself further abilities. Not really a lot of cloning involved in his genetic makeup, but I see what you're getting at.

[Anodyne]

I just wish Marvel--creators and characters both--would recognize their clones-aren't-real-people attitude as the :evilangry bigotry it is. In a world with artificial insemination, in vitro fertilization, and embryo transplants, why should one's manner of conception have anything to do with one's being a real person? As someone said, "a clone is a twin with a different birthday."

for me, the high point of the Spiderman clone saga was when Peter and Ben accepted each other as brothers and stopped worrying about which one was the original and which the clone.

As for Madelyne Pryor, she'd established herself as an individual in her own right long before the word "clone" was ever mentioned. I haven't forgiven Marvel for taking that away from her. Maddie as Scott's wife is more important than Maddie as Jean's clone, and Maddie as a real person is more important than either.

[FrogMan]

To tell you the truth I don't really like clones outside Sider-Man. I really liked the Clone Saga in the Spider-Man series. I don't really like a clone Thor, its just not right.

Yeah, gimme some apple cider, man!