why did wolvie ever leave department h for?

[curefreak]

in the original x-men series i always thought that wolverine left because he didnt like taking orders from the government, even tho he felt he owed the hudsons obviously it wasnt enough to be a government lackey.
but im reading wolverine 144# (wich seems to take place before wolverines first comic appearance )
and he doesnt seem to mind working for department h and feels a heavy sense of gratitude for the hudsons saving him.
are they ever gonna figure this out?

[Joe Acro]

He left Alpha Flight to join the X-Men on the mission to save the original X-Men. He stayed due to a few reasons. These included his affection towards Jean and, I suppose, the lack of legality that normally limits his actions.

[NewChad]

They have the most boring name in comics

[The Lucky One]

It was stated in a later story that he left Department H because he had secretly fallen in love with Heather Hudson, and he saw joining the X-Men as a way to get away from a hot redhead he had a doomed crush on. Smart move.

-D

[Ghost Writer]

It was stated in a later story that he left Department H because he had secretly fallen in love with Heather Hudson, and he saw joining the X-Men as a way to get away from a hot redhead he had a doomed crush on. Smart move.

-D Yeah, Wolvie and his doomed crushes... his dead gf's or wives. It's a wonder he even had enough time to have a kid.

[curefreak]

He left Alpha Flight to join the X-Men on the mission to save the original X-Men. He stayed due to a few reasons. These included his affection towards Jean and, I suppose, the lack of legality that normally limits his actions.
he was never technically in alpha flight they didnt form until after he had left but of course james hudson had plans for him to lead the group.
he didnt know jean when the professor first approached him.
not sure what you mean exactly by lack of legality?
he had more rights as a agent of department h than as an x-men but of course less freedom.

[curefreak]

Yeah, Wolvie and his doomed crushes... his dead gf's or wives. It's a wonder he even had enough time to have a kid.
wha? wolvie has a kid? surely you must be joking!

[The Lucky One]

wha? wolvie has a kid? surely you must be joking!

He was strongly implied to have fathered a kid in the Savage Land in Wolverine: The Jungle Adventure. Also, Scott Lobdell intended Flex from Alpha Flight to be Logan's son, but it was never confirmed in continuity.

-D

[curefreak]

He was strongly implied to have fathered a kid in the Savage Land in Wolverine: The Jungle Adventure. Also, Scott Lobdell intended Flex from Alpha Flight to be Logan's son, but it was never confirmed in continuity.

-D
crikey them savage landers sure do know how to populate with the mutants.

[Joe Acro]

he was never technically in alpha flight they didnt form until after he had left but of course james hudson had plans for him to lead the group.
he didnt know jean when the professor first approached him.
not sure what you mean exactly by lack of legality?
he had more rights as a agent of department h than as an x-men but of course less freedom.
Actually, Wolvie was a member of the first version of Alpha Flight, simply called The Flight. No, he didn't know Jean when Xavier first recruited him. However, he came to know her shortly thereafter. When working for the government, there would undoubtedly be some kind of law to follow. The best the X-Men have is an unwritten moral code.

[curefreak]

Actually, Wolvie was a member of the first version of Alpha Flight, simply called The Flight. No, he didn't know Jean when Xavier first recruited him. However, he came to know her shortly thereafter. When working for the government, there would undoubtedly be some kind of law to follow. The best the X-Men have is an unwritten moral code.
ive never heard or read of him being in alpha flight or "the flight" can you send me a link to something that proves it please?
he was a top secret agent for the government morals dont have any factor as long as you play by there rules
obviously if you send a man like wolverine on as assignment trying to make him adhere to a moral code ( i assume you mean killing?) is like sending a wild animal to the zoo.

[Joe Acro]

Don't follow the link within the article. It leads to some Asimov thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Flight_Members

And what I'm saying is that maybe Wolverine was tired of playing by their rules. Maybe joining the X-Men wasn't the best idea in terms of becoming more free, though.

[Ghost Writer]

wha? wolvie has a kid? surely you must be joking!
The current Wolverine origins storylines revolve around Wolverines quest to find his son.

Emma Frost revealed to Wolvie (issue 4-5) that he has a son that apparently the gov may be using against him.

[curefreak]

Don't follow the link within the article. It leads to some Asimov thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Flight_Members

And what I'm saying is that maybe Wolverine was tired of playing by their rules. Maybe joining the X-Men wasn't the best idea in terms of becoming more free, though.
yeah ok it must be some retcon that took place that i didnt know about.
as for the second yes thats exactly what i said basically he got tired of being ordered around
even tho he takes orders in x-men he only chooses to he can leave at any time or choose not to follow an order wich hes done on occasion.

the thing that was confusing for me was that in the wolverine book i just mentioned they showed him taking orders gladly,
so this makes it confusing as to when he decided to become his own man or maybe he was only pretending to be loyal to department h but saw an opening to be a free man and ran with it?

[curefreak]

The current Wolverine origins storylines revolve around Wolverines quest to find his son.

Emma Frost revealed to Wolvie (issue 4-5) that he has a son that apparently the gov may be using against him.
hmmm im torn in my opinion if wolverine would make a good father.

[Joe Acro]

the thing that was confusing for me was that in the wolverine book i just mentioned they showed him taking orders gladly,
so this makes it confusing as to when he decided to become his own man or maybe he was only pretending to be loyal to department h but saw an opening to be a free man and ran with it?
Presumably, there were severe consequences for not following orders and Wolverine was trying to avoid trouble, causing enough as it is on the battlefield. So, yeah, it probably is something like what you said.

[curefreak]

Presumably, there were severe consequences for not following orders and Wolverine was trying to avoid trouble, causing enough as it is on the battlefield. So, yeah, it probably is something like what you said.
i dont know if he was trying to avoid trouble when you leave youre country and have to get a whole team of superheros to come get you back.
but of course he didnt know they would send alpha flight after him especially when he didnt do anything technically wrong cept for maybe become an illegal alien if that.

[The Lucky One]

hmmm im torn in my opinion if wolverine would make a good father.

Why don't you ask Amiko?
:rolleyes:

-D

[curefreak]

Why don't you ask Amiko?
:rolleyes:

-D
well mr roll youre eyes he hasnt exactly raised her he sent her off to live with edgy-could-be-a lesbian thief girl and has rarely seen her since.

[Joe Acro]

but of course he didnt know they would send alpha flight after him especially when he didnt do anything technically wrong cept for maybe become an illegal alien if that.
I think, somewhere, it was noted that he did resign either shortly before or shortly after joining the X-Men. If so, he especially wouldn't have thought Alpha Flight would come after him.

[Punch]

well mr roll youre eyes he hasnt exactly raised her he sent her off to live with edgy-could-be-a lesbian thief girl and has rarely seen her since.

well doesn't that answer your question?

[The Lucky One]

well mr roll youre eyes he hasnt exactly raised her he sent her off to live with edgy-could-be-a lesbian thief girl and has rarely seen her since.

I... can't tell if you're not getting the joke, or you are and you're playing along. And the more I read it, the more I'm not sure. Help!

-D

[Buddahbelly]

I thought that Dept. H was before Alpha Flight. Wasn't Dept. H the ones that did the adamantium? He hates those guy's. Why would he be friends with Alpha Flight if they were the same. And in the book I assumed that that was just before they put in the adamantium.

[DDM]

Originally, Department H had something to do with bonding the Adamantium to his bones; therefore, he felt betrayed by James Hudson & the Canadian government. It's the primary reason Guardian tried to get Wolverine back in Uncanny X-Men #109 because the Canadian government had invested millions of dollars in making Wolverine their "killing machine." The reference is shown in Uncanny X-Men #139-140.

[fishtaco]

Originally, Department H had something to do with bonding the Adamantium to his bones; therefore, he felt betrayed by James Hudson & the Canadian government. It's the primary reason Guardian tried to get Wolverine back in Uncanny X-Men #109 because the Canadian government had invested millions of dollars in making Wolverine their "killing machine." The reference is shown in Uncanny X-Men #139-140.But then that was all changed with Uncanny X-Men #205, and later Marvel Comics Presents #'s 72-84?

[curefreak]

well doesn't that answer your question?
what question was that?

[curefreak]

I... can't tell if you're not getting the joke, or you are and you're playing along. And the more I read it, the more I'm not sure. Help!

-D
im lost :confused:

[DDM]

But then that was all changed with Uncanny X-Men #205, and later Marvel Comics Presents #'s 72-84?

Not really. Deathstrike's father had a hand in the creation of adamantium. But the Canadian government still put the metal on Wolverine's bones...

[fishtaco]

Not really. Deathstrike's father had a hand in the creation of adamantium. But the Canadian government still put the metal on Wolverine's bones...But what about Windsor-Smith's Weapon X story?

[Jake V]

But what about Windsor-Smith's Weapon X story?
I don't think the story ever got specific about where the professor's funding came from. It being backed by the Canadian government isn't out of the question.

[Buddahbelly]

Oh yea... I member now. Sorry had a brain fart. Thnx.