Patty Cockrum: Is not a Grant Morrison fan.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Over at the Newsrama board they have a post entry up from Paty Cockrum's site. In it is some funny things. The most humerous.


- She doesn't like Grant Morrison and what he did to the X-Men. In fact in detail Paty calls the arc " Planet X " the stupidiest , bigotted tirade of his. More comments come as she calls Morrison's fans " mindslaves " and that the piece of walking talking excrement ( Morrison ) damaged the company that she cares more for than life itself !


- She's not a fan of John Byrne. Visit the site and read about how she saved his life. Its pretty funny.

- She loves Chris Claremont. I mean really worships his work and run on the X-Books. In a funny part she details that Uncanny was doing fine and that CC shouldn't have been kicked off . That sales dropped because they hired some unknown guy named Ed Brubaker. ( when someone posted his DC work and all later it was funny.)


Heres the link where its pretty funny.

http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/09/20/the-infamous-paty-cockrum-post

[curefreak]

Over at the Newsrama board they have a post entry up from Paty Cockrum's site. In it is some funny things. The most humerous.


- She doesn't like Grant Morrison and what he did to the X-Men. In fact in detail Paty calls the arc " Planet X " the stupidiest , bigotted tirade of his. More comments come as she calls Morrison's fans " mindslaves " and that the piece of walking talking excrement ( Morrison ) damaged the company that she cares more for than life itself !


- She's not a fan of John Byrne. Visit the site and read about how she saved his life. Its pretty funny.

- She loves Chris Claremont. I mean really worships his work and run on the X-Books. In a funny part she details that Uncanny was doing fine and that CC shouldn't have been kicked off . That sales dropped because they hired some unknown guy named Ed Brubaker. ( when someone posted his DC work and all later it was funny.)


Heres the link where its pretty funny.

http://blog.newsrama.com/2006/09/20/the-infamous-paty-cockrum-post


i wonder if shes still married to dave and if he is if hes considered getting her some treatment.

[Ontir]

OK, I've tried the link 5 times now, and gotten 3 completely different pages, none of which have anything to do with Patty Cockrum. Any chance you could re-post, or get a working link?

[Sir Tim Drake]

He left out an "a" in the link. Change "newsrama" to "newsarama" and the link will work.

[Elegance Liberty]

*wretches*

Nightscrawlers.com... the owner of that site and I have some long standing bad blood between one another. (I forget why though, but our one-time aquaintanceship ended badly)

That said... wow. Just... wow.

I know everyone has a right to an opinion, but my reading instructor told my class that if you're gonna express it, at least give everyone else the decency to present it in a mature, well-thought out manner.

Clearly Mrs. Cockrum never grasped the 'well-thought out manner' part. Or 'mature'.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

He left out an "a" in the link. Change "newsrama" to "newsarama" and the link will work.


DDDDDAAAMMMNNNN IT!! I can't believe I made that stupid mistake. GGGRRRRRRR:evilangry

[ragnarok_2012]

http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/09/20/the-infamous-paty-cockrum-post/#more-792

I think this is the blog entry in question.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

http://blog.newsarama.com/2006/09/20/the-infamous-paty-cockrum-post/#more-792

I think this is the blog entry in question.


I re-edited it all. It should work now.

[Ontir]

Thanks Tim,

WOW! It's always nice to be told by someone, especially someone you've spent extra money to help them out, that you're entirely witless, and incapable of a discerning thought. She also ignores that the entirety of what was going on at Marvel at that time, was for good or ill, at the behest of one Bill Jemas, who intentionally sought to alter the landscape of Marvel. What's really interesting, is that while he's gone, and Joe Q has taken over, his initial step back is now headed in the same direction with the end of secret I.D.s.

I know many people didn't like "Planet X," but I did, and here's why. Chris Claremont has an amazing body of work with the X-Men, there's no denying that, but the guy has also created a few hundred characters since he took over the reigns of the X-Men in the late 70's. Mutants were, even with the introduction of Kitty Pryde, something of a rarity. Not anymore. There are entire nations of mutants, and you can't swing a dead cat in NYC without finding them crawling out of the sewers - literally. That in and of itself, had already radically altered the Marvel landscape, and what Morrison did, with the destruction of Genosha, was to hit a re-set. Sure it was shocking when he first did it, but a few months later, when the Twin Towers fell, and we watched the smoke billow off Manhattan, it was nearly pre-cognition.

He had lead his readers into a world soon to arrive, and carried forward re-defining that landscape. Some of it was more interesting than other parts, and many didn't like most or all of it, but it was the most interesting read I've had from a comic book since James Robinson's Starman ended. When his run ended, they hurriedly made up a way out for Magneto. That was too bad. The character both in Claremont's arc, and then in Morrison's had really run his course, and what's he become since then? Nothing interesting.

[ragnarok_2012]

Some of the things I liked about New X-Men:

*Hank's practical joke about being gay turning him into a gay icon
*Emma hooking up with Scott.
*Diabolique, I mean Fantomex :)
*Cassandra Nova
*Emma's new diamond form

Some of the things I didn't like about New X-Men:

*I didn't like the art or new costume designs.
*I'd rather see new material then rehashes of Days of Future Past and the Dark Phoenix Saga.
*I prefer seeing Magneto as an anti-hero, not a drug-crazed evil bastard.
*I like seeing hope in an X-comic. Morrison's run seemed a little too dystopic and nihilistic for my tastes.

I didn't dig Hank's new look, but I'll give that a pass. At least it was something different.

[Iangould]

I seem to recall that Paty Corckrum made soem earlier comments that peopel found offensive.

Whens she was taken to task over them she apologised and explained that she had a psychiatric or neurological problem which affected her judgment.

She's not a well woman and knowing that I think it's best simply not to pay too much attention to her behaviour especially considering the stress she must have experienced as a result of her husband's illness.

[ragnarok_2012]

I re-edited it all. It should work now.

Awesome.

I've got a question for ya: do you copy and paste links or do you write them by hand?

[howyadoin]

Oh well. At least she said Morrison has monumental balls.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Awesome.

I've got a question for ya: do you copy and paste links or do you write them by hand?


I do them by hand. Not so good with the pasting and copying.

[ragnarok_2012]

I do them by hand. Not so good with the pasting and copying.

This might save you some time and effort:

highlight a URL; if need be you can move the cursor to the front or end of the link and hold down the SHIFT key as you use the arrow key to highlight the entire thing

hit CTRL & C to copy the URL
hit CTRL & V to paste the URL

Copy & Paste will save you an ENORMOUS amount of time. Trust me.

[Spike-X]

I do them by hand. Not so good with the pasting and copying.
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[twilight]

She doesn't like Morrison?

She's a witch!

[SUPERECWFAN1]

This might save you some time and effort:

highlight a URL; if need be you can move the cursor to the front or end of the link and hold down the SHIFT key as you use the arrow key to highlight the entire thing

hit CTRL & C to copy the URL
hit CTRL & V to paste the URL

Copy & Paste will save you an ENORMOUS amount of time. Trust me.

Thanks...I'm like a caveman nowadays. Me not so good at computers. ( hits comp with stick )

[Erebus]

Meh. Morrison's run on X-Men was pretty average, but it felt way inferior to his other works.

[ragnarok_2012]

Thanks...I'm like a caveman nowadays. Me not so good at computers. ( hits comp with stick )

You're very welcome.

[Sir Tim Drake]

I seem to recall that Paty Corckrum made soem earlier comments that peopel found offensive.

Whens she was taken to task over them she apologised and explained that she had a psychiatric or neurological problem which affected her judgment.

She's not a well woman and knowing that I think it's best simply not to pay too much attention to her behaviour especially considering the stress she must have experienced as a result of her husband's illness.

I agree. The woman has been through some hard times and may not be fully responsible for her actions. We ought to cut her some slack.

Also, I'm not sure she's wrong about Byrne. ;)

[pennywisdom]

Yeah, this story has been ongoing for awhile. All it indicates is that Cockrum is crazy and/or tragic.

Whens she was taken to task over them she apologised and explained that she had a psychiatric or neurological problem which affected her judgment.

She's not a well woman and knowing that I think it's best simply not to pay too much attention to her behaviour especially considering the stress she must have experienced as a result of her husband's illness.
Then why has she been given a public forum? I wish her the best, but if you're ranting up and down on the internet, you're at least coherent enough to be held responsible for your own words. If not, then don't say them.

If I say something offensive (she called the entire Marvel staff anti-semites, by the way) I can't come back tomorrow and just claim to have been crazy for awhile. If you're unwell, you shouldn't be writing editorials.

[TheTen-EyedMan]

Can John Byrne claim he's had a neurological disorder for the last 25 years?

[Calybos]

Not seeing the problem here. Patty Cockrum wrote a rant about how much she hates Morrison's work, his style, and pretty much everything about him.

Don't people do that all the time on public forums? And surely no one's saying that Morrison should somehow be off-limits to criticism, saracasm, or even hate for the stuff he's done.

[curefreak]

Not seeing the problem here. Patty Cockrum wrote a rant about how much she hates Morrison's work, his style, and pretty much everything about him.

Don't people do that all the time on public forums? And surely no one's saying that Morrison should somehow be off-limits to criticism, saracasm, or even hate for the stuff he's done.
i think the problem is two fold seeing a woman devolve into fanboyism is even weirder than when guys do it.
and second she made absolutely no sense in her morrison bashing if youre gonna call someone an anti semite you better be able to back it up.

[Elegance Liberty]

She doesn't like Morrison?

She's a witch!

No, she just comes off as a nutjob when she says it. I could care less if she hates Morrison.

I do feel sorry for her though, in some twisted sort of way...

[curefreak]

No, she just comes off as a nutjob when she says it. I could care less if she hates Morrison.

I do feel sorry for her though, in some twisted sort of way...
are we allowed to feel sorry for byrne in the same capacity even tho he doesnt have a sick mate?

[TheTen-EyedMan]

are we allowed to feel sorry for byrne in the same capacity even tho he doesnt have a sick mate?

No...Byrne is Satan.

You can't feel sorry for Byrne, it's not allowed!

How would you like to be king of the mountain (sorry for the reference Paul) one day and then wake up and be a hasbeen the next?

That would mess even the most emotionally secure person up...and John Byrne has always had a lack of emotional maturity so no wonder he flamed out.

[curefreak]

No...Byrne is Satan.

You can't feel sorry for Byrne, it's not allowed!

How would you like to be king of the mountain (sorry for the reference Paul) one day and then wake up and be a hasbeen the next?

That would mess even the most emotionally secure person up...and John Byrne has always had a lack of emotional maturity so no wonder he flamed out.
i think there was a long 15 -20 decline from him being "king of the mountain" to a "hasbeen" it wasnt an overnight thing for sure.

[Ontir]

Thanks...I'm like a caveman nowadays. Me not so good at computers. ( hits comp with stick )

That's called "Percussive Maintenence!" :p

[Iangould]

i think there was a long 15 -20 decline from him being "king of the mountain" to a "hasbeen" it wasnt an overnight thing for sure.

I think you can date the has-been phase pretty definitely from the point where he cancelled Next Men because he thought it wasn't selling as well as it deserved.

[spoon_jenkins]

Not seeing the problem here. Patty Cockrum wrote a rant about how much she hates Morrison's work, his style, and pretty much everything about him.

Don't people do that all the time on public forums? And surely no one's saying that Morrison should somehow be off-limits to criticism, saracasm, or even hate for the stuff he's done.
This is how I see it. People can think Morrison sucks and viciously rip him. It doesn't make her mentally ill, although it's sort of undignified. I've often seen much worse behavior on the net by people who are considered respected.

[curefreak]

This is how I see it. People can think Morrison sucks and viciously rip him. It doesn't make her mentally ill, although it's sort of undignified. I've often seen much worse behavior on the net by people who are considered respected.
you people seem to be missing the boat saying morrison sucks doesnt make her ill
saying that morrison and whoever else at marvel at the time are anti semites for making magneto a jew and then for her to not even be able to follow it up with some sort of logic instead of just a nonsensical rant is what makes her certifiable.

[K'Nort]

saying that morrison and whoever else at marvel at the time are anti semites for making magneto a jew and then for her to not even be able to follow it up with some sort of logic instead of just a nonsensical rant is what makes her certifiable.

If making an unsubstantiated assertion on the internet is enough to get someone locked up....

You can call her a lousy debater, but that's hardly the same as certifiable.

[curefreak]

If making an unsubstantiated assertion on the internet is enough to get someone locked up....

You can call her a lousy debater, but that's hardly the same as certifiable.
she wasnt debating anyone tho she was ranting huge difference ,
besides consesus is shes crazy noones said she needed to be locked up.

[K'Nort]

she wasnt debating anyone tho she was ranting huge difference ,

Doesn't change the fact that 'not including back-up evidence' does not equal 'crazy,' which was your entire basis for diagnosis.

besides consesus is shes crazy noones said she needed to be locked up.

Assuming I'm parsing that one correctly, in most vocabularies, certifiable does not indicate safe to wander the streets.

[Alex]

Was planet x the last bit of morrisons run? the part in the future?
If so, she's right, it was horrible, and boring, and silvestri's art looked really bad compared to how i remebered it.
But the last time he did a book that got any notice was when i was about 12.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Was planet x the last bit of morrisons run? the part in the future?
If so, she's right, it was horrible, and boring, and silvestri's art looked really bad compared to how i remebered it.
But the last time he did a book that got any notice was when i was about 12.

That was " Here Comes Tomnorrow " and we agree on that don't we. I even think that arc #151-#154 was shit. The arc she's describing is when Magneto reveals himself as Xorn and all. That's " Planet X ".

[The Mirrorball Man]

she calls Morrison's fans " mindslaves "

Actually, she calls them "mindlsaves", which I'm sure is a magic word.

[Alex]

That was " Here Comes Tomnorrow " and we agree on that don't we. I even think that arc #151-#154 was shit. The arc she's describing is when Magneto reveals himself as Xorn and all. That's " Planet X ".
Ohh....that wasn't bad.
I still don't beleive he had it planned all along, and threw it together last minute, but it was the last good bit of his run.

[curefreak]

Doesn't change the fact that 'not including back-up evidence' does not equal 'crazy,' which was your entire basis for diagnosis.



Assuming I'm parsing that one correctly, in most vocabularies, certifiable does not indicate safe to wander the streets.
depends on how seriously crazy that person is
i dont think patty cockrum would ever phsyically hurt anyone so i dont see why she should be locked up.
and its really not just "not including back up evidence" that makes her crazy its the fact thats shes going on this long rant that makes absolutely no sense and is about attacking a writers personal beliefs over a fictional character being jewish especially when i dont remember it being morrisons idea that he was jewish in the first place .
its at the very least been strongly hinted at for years especially when he went with kitty to a concentration camp survivors get together so why in the world is she blaming morrison for?

[Paul McEnery]

Ohh....that wasn't bad.
I still don't beleive he had it planned all along, and threw it together last minute, but it was the last good bit of his run.
You sir, happen to be wrong on matters of substance.

Mr. Crocker has my pre-CBRzerohour explanation.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Ohh....that wasn't bad.
I still don't beleive he had it planned all along, and threw it together last minute, but it was the last good bit of his run.


I liked it. I always loved that scene where he unmasks and goads Xavier. It was like the Judas Contract redone X-Wise. I admit it was the last good X-Men shocker I've read. ( Colossas return is up there but not on this level )

[Kid Omega]

Wolverine cutting off Magneto's head made me poop.

[BoosterBronze]

Wolverine cutting off Magneto's head made me poop.

I loved getting to see Wolverine kill Magneto twice in two years.

[Gilda Dent]

This might save you some time and effort:

highlight a URL; if need be you can move the cursor to the front or end of the link and hold down the SHIFT key as you use the arrow key to highlight the entire thing

hit CTRL & C to copy the URL
hit CTRL & V to paste the URL

Copy & Paste will save you an ENORMOUS amount of time. Trust me.

You can also use the edit menu at the top of the browser or right click to get an edit menu after highlighting the url. I usually right click. I'm from the post-keyboard-shortcut generation.

Gilda

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Wolverine cutting off Magneto's head made me poop.

1st Brad Meltzer has the 1# sellin book in the land and now this. The hits keep on coming for you. :p

[Kid Omega]

1st Brad Meltzer has the 1# sellin book in the land and now this. The hits keep on coming for you. :p

Except that in the first instance I was being entirely sarcastic, and being totally sincere in the second.

It's confusing....

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Except that in the first instance I was being entirely sarcastic, and being totally sincere in the second.

It's confusing....


Ohh yeah I thought you were being sarcastic here as well. A lot of X-Fans hated what Grant did with the whole Magneto thing. But hell , coming from the 1990's and seeing Magneto try and tilt the Earth on its axis and nearly killing Wolverine I didn't see a problem.

[Kid Omega]

Ohh yeah I thought you were being sarcastic here as well. A lot of X-Fans hated what Grant did with the whole Magneto thing. But hell , coming from the 1990's and seeing Magneto try and tilt the Earth on its axis and nearly killing Wolverine I didn't see a problem.

I loved it.

It's all about context, and that scene, in the context of the rest of NewXmeN, was startling as hell, and absolutely worked.

Seeing Magneto's head bounce across the floor was a total HOLY SH!!!!T moment, and it was genuine.

None of this clone-thor-kills-character-no-one-remembers crap.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I loved it.

It's all about context, and that scene, in the context of the rest of NewXmeN, was startling as hell, and absolutely worked.

Seeing Magneto's head bounce across the floor was a total HOLY SH!!!!T moment, and it was genuine.

None of this clone-thor-kills-character-no-one-remembers crap.


The reveal to me was The Moment. Like holy hell , its Magneto. He was Xorn all along ! That line he gave was very good. I'd like to think the real Magneto died that day. The one that existed after him was a Wanda invention. :)

[Charles RB]

I think the oddest thing is the idea that setting a story in the future, a future that Morrison explicitly retconned away at the end of the story, was Morrison trying to make sure nobody could use the X-Men in current continuity again. Ehwha?!

I loved getting to see Wolverine kill Magneto twice in two years.

"The best he is at what he does", my arse.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I think the oddest thing is the idea that setting a story in the future, a future that Morrison explicitly retconned away at the end of the story, was Morrison trying to make sure nobody could use the X-Men in current continuity again. Ehwha?!



Its really funny though. At the end of the arc that I hated and all , he did come back to push things forward in a new way.