Civil War: X-Men #3 *spoilers*

[Rollo_Tomasi]

I actually enjoyed this issue more than the first two. Although the art was kinda lacking. Some interesting plot developments. Now, does anyone think Micromax is really dead? I guess he IS expendable...

The cliffhanger ending worked for me too.

[Loestal]

I agree, while not really good per say, it was better than the last few issues. I'll finish it out, I've came this far with it. One thing about the art...does everything seem kind of pink or light redish in tint? I have noticed this on the other issues too...the color looks washed out to me.

[Beast]

Eh, it was alright. Hyping the book as being about the remaining 'Original X-Men' is pretty much balderdash. Considering there's been more focus on David Hine's pet characters and the 198.

[Brian M.]

Eh, it was alright. Hyping the book as being about the remaining 'Original X-Men' is pretty much balderdash. Considering there's been more focus on David Hine's pet characters and the 198.

Agreed...Yanick's Beast at first was alright...but this issue...horrible...I mean what the hell is he taking a crap in those leather pants of his?

I bought this book b/c it was the Original X-Men, I've had it be the book I read first each week it comes out b/c I wanted to see some interaction between the O5...well O4. The first issue left me sooooo very excited for that...the 2nd was alright but this...this one just went into left field.

Small complaint also, weren't those bunkers the ones that Nick Fury created and hid...why would they be contacting Stark Enterprises about it? I don't think I have to draw the line anymore to why that could be a problem.

[Young Avenger]

Can someone provide a issue summary?

[Loestal]

Agreed...Yanick's Beast at first was alright...but this issue...horrible...I mean what the hell is he taking a crap in those leather pants of his?

I bought this book b/c it was the Original X-Men, I've had it be the book I read first each week it comes out b/c I wanted to see some interaction between the O5...well O4. The first issue left me sooooo very excited for that...the 2nd was alright but this...this one just went into left field.

Small complaint also, weren't those bunkers the ones that Nick Fury created and hid...why would they be contacting Stark Enterprises about it? I don't think I have to draw the line anymore to why that could be a problem.


If you really dig hard enough, you might be able to find something to make the connection. But mainly, I think what it is is the writer just taking names and putting them together.

[foxfire]

Eh, it was alright. Hyping the book as being about the remaining 'Original X-Men' is pretty much balderdash. Considering there's been more focus on David Hine's pet characters and the 198.
At least that douche Lazer probably won't have any power anymore :D

[Brian M.]

If you really dig hard enough, you might be able to find something to make the connection. But mainly, I think what it is is the writer just taking names and putting them together.

Yea I know but I mean if Stark knows about that one...he probably knows about the other ones... which means it shouldn't be too hard to find Cap. I'm gonna buy #4 b/c the amount of screentime the Original X-Men get is close to nothing but...I've lost hope in this series.

[Ryan K]

This was horrible. How is this a Civil War title? Its just a sequel to X-Men: The 198 and a place for Hine to contine his fascinations with his pet characters and plots from 198, Mutopia, and District X.

[Brian M.]

This was horrible. How is this a Civil War title? Its just a sequel to X-Men: The 198 and a place for Hine to contine his fascinations with his pet characters and plots from 198, Mutopia, and District X.


Sadly I'm starting to agree.

CIVIL WAR: X-MEN #3 (of 4)

Written by DAVID HINE
Penciled by YANICK PAQUETTE
Cover by JUAN DOE
It’s X-Man vs. X-Man! But who fired the first shot and why? Bishop and the X-Men battle for the 198, but will Cyclops be able to contain the power yearning to burst from his body?
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$2.99

We had that for what...2 pages? Cyclops be abl eto contain the power? He didn't unleash anything. I'm wondering how much this story has changed over the process of it's original conception.

[Beast]

Sadly I'm starting to agree.

CIVIL WAR: X-MEN #3 (of 4)

Written by DAVID HINE
Penciled by YANICK PAQUETTE
Cover by JUAN DOE
It’s X-Man vs. X-Man! But who fired the first shot and why? Bishop and the X-Men battle for the 198, but will Cyclops be able to contain the power yearning to burst from his body?
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$2.99

We had that for what...2 pages? Cyclops be abl eto contain the power? He didn't unleash anything. I'm wondering how much this story has changed over the process of it's original conception.
I think it's just the usual bait and switch we get with David Hine. :(

[NMoline]

I am really enjoying this series, however I must preface by saying I usually stay clear of X-men titles. I am reading Brubakers Uncanny and have enjoyed that too so take it for what its worth.

[Nomad]

Yeah, i kinda like Uncanny too, but i also usually steer clear of x-men. Are they going to pick sides? Why do they need a tie-in if they aren't? I'm confused:confused:

[XPac]

Yeah, i kinda like Uncanny too, but i also usually steer clear of x-men. Are they going to pick sides? Why do they need a tie-in if they aren't? I'm confused:confused:

Maybe the series ends with them picking a side.

We already know Bischop is basically PRO, and the rest are ANTI even though they don't want to get involved. Theres an equilibrium here that could easily tip in one direction.

[Syzygy]

Jeez, what a tough crowd, yet again.

"Pet characters"! What the hell is wrong with a writer introducing fresh blood? Johnny Dee is vastly more interesting than another Shadow King rehash. I mean, think about him. He'd be a great looking guy, except he's got this...this growth on his chest, that's the source of his powers. And it's a really villainous power too. Voodoo dolls is all the guys good for.

He's despicable, sure, but...all he's got is his power. How can he even help being a villain? I think if I had a power like that, I'd end up being a villain too...

Anyway, I find Johnny Dee to be a tremendously interesting character.

I had fun with this issue and will buy the next. I also really enjoy Hine as a writer, and hope he continues to do X-related projects.

Disappointed to hear you guys didn't dig it.:(

Respect your opinions, anyway.

Peace,
Syzygy

[bulbasteve]

I find it odd noone has commented that the President wasn't portrayed as evil in this issue (and the last). It's so strange.... they like listened to the arguments (the peaceful ones) made and were going to change their mutant policy. And what do you know fighting and rebellion almost stopped it from happening....I hope Cap takes a lesson from this.

[RDWoody21]

I'm not a big fan of the series. I really liked #1, cause it left me wanting to see more. But then something went wrong and it didnt go in a direction that I think it was meant to. Instead we got an awful sequel to The 198 a series I really enjoyed. I think if we would have seen the X-Men get involved in the Civil War more even if it was to play peacemakers between the two sides or something, it would have warrented being a Civil War tie-in and could have been so much better.

I liked the 198 and hate how this series has it all fizzle out.

I'm enjoying Civil War and I dont think this mini-series is doing the X-Men justice in relation to it.

[Brian M.]

Jeez, what a tough crowd, yet again.

"Pet characters"! What the hell is wrong with a writer introducing fresh blood? Johnny Dee is vastly more interesting than another Shadow King rehash. I mean, think about him. He'd be a great looking guy, except he's got this...this growth on his chest, that's the source of his powers. And it's a really villainous power too. Voodoo dolls is all the guys good for.

He's despicable, sure, but...all he's got is his power. How can he even help being a villain? I think if I had a power like that, I'd end up being a villain too...

Anyway, I find Johnny Dee to be a tremendously interesting character.

I had fun with this issue and will buy the next. I also really enjoy Hine as a writer, and hope he continues to do X-related projects.

Disappointed to hear you guys didn't dig it.:(

Respect your opinions, anyway.

Peace,
Syzygy

I like the new characters yes but this series was billed as something it's turned out not to be. I bought it on the premise of it'd be the Original 5...4 dealing w/ the events of Civil War...this really has nothing to do w/ it. I mean this story could be done completely outside the Civil War setting and be fine. There really hasn't been any character moments except in the first issue, those came on the last couple of pages when they were suiting up and leaving.

[ivesaidway2much]

I find it odd noone has commented that the President wasn't portrayed as evil in this issue (and the last). It's so strange.... they like listened to the arguments (the peaceful ones) made and were going to change their mutant policy. And what do you know fighting and rebellion almost stopped it from happening....I hope Cap takes a lesson from this. After being forced into a concentration camps for months on end because they were the VICTIMS of an extinction-level event can you blame the mutants for being a little on edge? The government was putting chips in mutant heads months before they tried it on supervillians in CW #4. If anything I would say that the X-men would be a great example of how peaceful opposition doesn't work. They didn't fight back against the gov't after HoM and nearly all the mutants in the world got placed into a concentration camp. Maybe Cap was watching and learning.

[miraclemet]

As much as the story was mediocre, the art was horrible, some of the worst I've seen in months. 3 issues into the arc I should care about something, but instead this just felt like a "going through the motions because we have to have our flagship team (X-Men) in the Civil war” type story. And I felt like I was “going through the motions to read this just because it has Civil War on the cover”… which is a horrible feeling to come away with.

I mean the X-Men could have been a very interesting perspective with their 2nd citizen status, but instead I’m trying to make sense of a guy playing with dolls and controlling Cyclops's head.... Where are the X-Men who see the registration act as a way to go "legit" and become more accepted by the general public? X-Men has always been written with a socially conscious tone, but in the events of Civil War, they are a throwaway side story...

I’ve been deep into the Civil war, picking up everything but after the last two weeks Ms Marvel, Civil War: X-Men and the Civil War: Young Avengers/Runaways are off my list. I don’t even care that there’s just one more tie in issue for each...

[Blackcat]

For the people liking it, here is my summary, hope you like it!

SPOILERS ahead of course!

So I will roughly give a summary what happened in Civil War: X-Men #3

Cyclops (under the influance of Johnny Dee) keep on firering his blast at Bishop, until Micromax beats him over.

Bishop needs to get rid of all this energie and blast it up, causing Ogre to lose one arm, wich should have been impossible to do, but happens anyway.

The X-Men fight with Sabra, Micromax, Megaton, Shrapnel, Ogre and some ONE soldiers.

Meanwhile Domino and Shatterstar gather some of the 198 to help out the X-Men. Scalphunter and Arclight don't wanna help out, but they are the only ones, the rest wants to give assistance. Unfortunately Outlaw attacks Domino, tried to fire a gun, but it didn't go off because of Domino's lucky powers. Toad pulls Outlaw away with his tongue. She was under influance of Dee too. Lorelei saw how Johnny's power works: When the 198 tried to run Dee's suitcase fell open and Lorelei saw the 'eggs'. One was open and she saw a small version of Magme. So, not Magma, but Dee is responsible for Mr M his death (but we all knew that allready). Suddenly Dee takes control of Lorelei and attacks Domino, but Shatterstar saves her.

Caliban has discovered there are some weapons in the bunker. Domino and Shatterstar go alone outside to help the X-Men, because all of the 198 could get under control of Johnny Dee, they do not wanna risk it.

Val. Cooper talkes to Colonel Reyes. They find out General Lazer has Johnny and they wanna confront Lazer. But Colonel Reyes could lose his job over this.

Valerie askes him if he misses his sister Cecelia and if he knows if she still got powers after M-Day. He replies he doesn't even know if she's alive. Val says the mension is the best place to be if he wants to find out what has happened to his sister. Comment: This is about the 3rd time Colonel Reyes talkes about his missing sister, I think with her being mentioned over and over again, some story about Cecelia might just be coming up shortly.

Finally with help of an ex boyfriend of valerie who works close to Lazer, they make it to Lazers office. Reyes, smashes the door and they find Lazer with Johnny Dee and some dolls/clones of Leech, Lorelei, Cyclops, Erg, Outlaw and Magma on the table. Johnny makes it clear: Lazer has no orders to give to him! He stops playing with his clones/dolls

On the battlefield Cyclops is no longer under control and tell someone made him attack Bishop. Micromax help Sabra in fighting of Archangel, but before Micro can do some serious dammage he gets attacked by Shatterstar. Shatter stabs him and Micromax is wounded badly.

Bishop finds out about why Cyclops attacked and let Orge tell everyone to stop fighting. Sabra screams out Micromax needs treatment for his wounds.

Meanwhile Lazer has activated weapons and sealed the doors of the hideout of the 198. The 198 can't get out, the X-Men can't get in, the doors are all sealed and impossible to break throug. An automatic activated computervoice calls out to the 198, thanking them for their contribution to the community.

"This could mean the end for half of the living mutant population!"

The countdown is started. The 198 look scared.

[MakeMineMarvel]

It was a good issue but not great. For one I don't care for the art. I know different strokes for different folks and all that but it just wasn't good, for me. I like the Johnny Dee character and feel he has potential to be a good villain for the X family. I also don't mind seeing the 198 take a bigger role in this story but do have to admit that the title description is a bit deceptive. Some discrepancies here and there but overall enjoyable.

[bulbasteve]

After being forced into a concentration camps for months on end because they were the VICTIMS of an extinction-level event can you blame the mutants for being a little on edge? The government was putting chips in mutant heads months before they tried it on supervillians in CW #4. If anything I would say that the X-men would be a great example of how peaceful opposition doesn't work. They didn't fight back against the gov't after HoM and nearly all the mutants in the world got placed into a concentration camp. Maybe Cap was watching and learning.

Has it been months with Marvel time? (and even without it)

Anyway at first the governement didn't even know about House of M (SHIELD had to pry the info out of Spider-Man) so any precuations they took right away were in mutants interest. They maybe had told the government and nothing would have happened.

But how the heck are they an example of how it doesn't work? The President would have stuck them back in if Cooper didn't plead to have his letting them go go ahead. The 198 escaping nearly ruined their chances of being let out of the camp. His decision was made as you recall from #2 because of preassure from the media and civil rights groups, but if word had got out in the media of the escape then heck he would probably have no choice BUT to keep them inside. You can't be seen as letting violent action by others make you cave in,.

So what, Cap can't rot in a jail for a month or so while the process takes it's course?

[ivesaidway2much]

Has it been months with Marvel time? (and even without it)

Anyway at first the governement didn't even know about House of M (SHIELD had to pry the info out of Spider-Man) so any precuations they took right away were in mutants interest. They maybe had told the government and nothing would have happened.

But how the heck are they an example of how it doesn't work? The President would have stuck them back in if Cooper didn't plead to have his letting them go go ahead. The 198 escaping nearly ruined their chances of being let out of the camp. His decision was made as you recall from #2 because of preassure from the media and civil rights groups, but if word had got out in the media of the escape then heck he would probably have no choice BUT to keep them inside. You can't be seen as letting violent action by others make you cave in,.

So what, Cap can't rot in a jail for a month or so while the process takes it's course?
What I'm saying is that it is never okay to take a group of people, minorities, and place them in a concentration camp no matter what the circumstances. Cap can't rot a month in jail for the same reason Rosa Parks couldn't simply move to the back of the bus, because if you give in to oppression things just get worse. Its happened over and over again in the U.S. with the Native Americans, blacks, Chinese, and Japanese. With the mutants, after their entire race was rocked by an event even most mutants had no knowledge of the government steps in and made things even worse. They take the remaining mutants and force them through extortion and SHIELD agent intimidation into concentration camps. And the camps are surrounded by giant genocidal robots. Then if any of the mutants want to leave the camp, the government puts chips into their heads that may or may not contain lethal doses of electricity, you know, just in case. Then there is of course the slave labor armed forces in CW #4. And you think the lesson from this is that the mutants should just sit back and let all this happen because eventually at some point in the future some lawyer might save them? Is that what you would do if someone sent Sentinels after you and put a chip in your head?

[bulbasteve]

What I'm saying is that it is never okay to take a group of people, minorities, and place them in a concentration camp no matter what the circumstances. Cap can't rot a month in jail for the same reason Rosa Parks couldn't simply move to the back of the bus, because if you give in to oppression things just get worse.

I really don't think that is the best analogy, since Rosa Parks was actually arrested. Imagine if Rosa Parks or MLK had resisted arrest and run away from police (let's not even go into attacking!) the Civil Rights movement may have been put back years. So yeah Cap would still be not giving into "oppression" by not singing, but that doesn't mean he has to go about attacking officers and resisting arrest.

Its happened over and over again in the U.S. with the Native Americans, blacks, Chinese, and Japanese. With the mutants, after their entire race was rocked by an event even most mutants had no knowledge of the government steps in and made things even worse. They take the remaining mutants and force them through extortion and SHIELD agent intimidation into concentration camps. And the camps are surrounded by giant genocidal robots. Then if any of the mutants want to leave the camp, the government puts chips into their heads that may or may not contain lethal doses of electricity, you know, just in case. Then there is of course the slave labor armed forces in CW #4. And you think the lesson from this is that the mutants should just sit back and let all this happen because eventually at some point in the future some lawyer might save them? Is that what you would do if someone sent Sentinels after you and put a chip in your head?

The President already "saved" them, this happened right in the last two issues. It didn't even need to go to the courts. And the government didn't even know about the full impact of the House of M until recently. The system WORKED this time, I'm not sure how you can debate that. The mutants are free now. Heck it probably would have happened even sooner if they didn't run away so often...

[ivesaidway2much]

I really don't think that is the best analogy, since Rosa Parks was actually arrested. Imagine if Rosa Parks or MLK had resisted arrest and run away from police (let's not even go into attacking!) the Civil Rights movement may have been put back years. So yeah Cap would still be not giving into "oppression" by not singing, but that doesn't mean he has to go about attacking officers and resisting arrest.
Actuallly shortly following the birth of organizations like the Nation of Islam and the Black Panthers things got much, much better for African-Americans, better than they had ever been. And the Panthers and the Nation had multiple run-ins with the cops. Not to mention that the atrocities cops committed against the blacks and the assasination of black leaders helped greatly in the Civil rights movement. Heck, without the violence who knows when the Civil Rights Act would have been signed (which was coincidentally 3 months after MLK was killed).



The President already "saved" them, this happened right in the last two issues. It didn't even need to go to the courts. And the government didn't even know about the full impact of the House of M until recently. The system WORKED this time, I'm not sure how you can debate that. The mutants are free now. Heck it probably would have happened even sooner if they didn't run away so often... First, the overwhelming majority of mutants didn't know anything about House of M either, even former X-men like the ones in X-Factor.

Second, the mutants had no idea what the president was doing. All they knew was that the government forced them into a concentration camp, surrounded them with Sentinels, and then put chips in their heads. Besides however long it took the president to make his decision, it took a while and only happened because of legal pressure from Civil rights groups. And in my opinion its kind of disturbing that that's what it takes for the president to decide that imprisoning U.S. citizens, who've commited no crime, against their will might be a bad idea. Can you really blame them for running away?

Third, if the government put every member of your race into a concentration camp and used people that hated everyone in your race and frequently killed
them, but then several months(or weeks {Marvel time?}) later said oops we made a mistake, would that in your opinion be the system working?

[Syzygy]

What I'm saying is that it is never okay to take a group of people, minorities, and place them in a concentration camp no matter what the circumstances. Cap can't rot a month in jail for the same reason Rosa Parks couldn't simply move to the back of the bus, because if you give in to oppression things just get worse. Its happened over and over again in the U.S. with the Native Americans, blacks, Chinese, and Japanese. With the mutants, after their entire race was rocked by an event even most mutants had no knowledge of the government steps in and made things even worse. They take the remaining mutants and force them through extortion and SHIELD agent intimidation into concentration camps. And the camps are surrounded by giant genocidal robots. Then if any of the mutants want to leave the camp, the government puts chips into their heads that may or may not contain lethal doses of electricity, you know, just in case. Then there is of course the slave labor armed forces in CW #4. And you think the lesson from this is that the mutants should just sit back and let all this happen because eventually at some point in the future some lawyer might save them? Is that what you would do if someone sent Sentinels after you and put a chip in your head?

I share the same skepiticism of our government that you do. Thanks for mentioning all this.

Peace,
Syzygy

[Kefky]

I understand the complaints, but I've been enjoying this. It's nice seeing the gorvernment and O*N*E* being portrayed in such a positive light, and the whole ridicoulus situation with the 198 finally being resolved. And I still really dig the angle Hine's playing with Bishop here. I hope he manages to give the character some closure since he's not in any of the ongoing x-books right now.

And am I the only one that finds it extremely ironic that when the mutant community finally gets a decent brake, the rest of the superhuman community is getting screwed liked they've never beeen before? :)

[Grunty]

How can Domino fire a maschine gun without ammo?

Anyway Domino is not fault for the weapons in the hidehout. It was cap who gave her the adress of it and Cap got it from Nick Fury.

But on the other hand if Fury knew about them what did he accepted Caps side to do with them?

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

I hope the explosion actually happens...because then it would make it much more interesting, and it will make all those annoying low powerfull superheros go away.

[Beast]

I hope the explosion actually happens...because then it would make it much more interesting, and it will make all those annoying low powerfull superheros go away.
I hope your favorite characters die next also. We've had more than enough pointless death in the Marvel Universe, especially in the X-Books. Quit asking for them to kill more characters.

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

well i think they need to kill the pointless caracters that they created, because being a mutant is almost normal because there are so many of them

[Beast]

well i think they need to kill the pointless caracters that they created, because being a mutant is almost normal because there are so many of them
What the hell are you talking about? House of M reduced the mutant population, they don't need to cull the numbers any further. At the moment there may be as few as only a few hundred of them worldwide. There's hardly 'So many of them' and it's certainly not 'almost normal'. Sheesh.

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

But I was talking about before the house of M, and i'm really glad for house of M...but i would love the 198 to get cut in half, that would be just perfect for me.

[Beast]

But I was talking about before the house of M, and i'm really glad for house of M...but i would love the 198 to get cut in half, that would be just perfect for me.
Why? Marvel went to a lot of trouble to reduce the numbers down and keep the characters that had potential. It would be pointless to cull the numbers further. And frankly I'm sick of death in the books. You want deaths galore, go rent a slasher movie. Comic book deaths have becoming annoying and lame, especially this year.

[Syzygy]

But I was talking about before the house of M, and i'm really glad for house of M...but i would love the 198 to get cut in half, that would be just perfect for me.

Uh, Beast...there's something you should know....

Gamer is actually General Lazer's nephew. He has to say stuff like this, or his allowance gets cut.

Peace,
Syzygy

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

Ha, who is General Lazer?

[Beast]

Ha, who is General Lazer?
Did you actually read the story?

[Doom Hammer]

well i think they need to kill the pointless caracters that they created, because being a mutant is almost normal because there are so many of them

1.) A generalized and sweeping disregard for a number of unique characters you obviously know nothing about

2.) An appeal to some anonymous and all-powerful authority, "they", which apparently controls all the goings-on of Marvel comics

3.) A complete misunderstanding of the Morrison-introduced concept of mutant culture

That's what you just contributed, chief. I don't know, I felt like it deserved to be examined.

[Narfolin]

Actually, I can't completely disagree with the guy. While I won't disupte that the actual number of in-universe mutants has been drastically cut (exact numbers vary), the number of what I'd call "face-value" mutants hasn't really been curtailed. By "face-value", I mean mutants that the average comic reader (or even the average X-comic reader) would recognize by face or name. Looking over the list of depowered mutants, I see a few (very few) "big names", including Magneto and Xavier, Mirage, and a few others that shared a title or two over the years.
However, the majority of the depowered mutants are one-offs, cast-offs, and background filler. The ones that were kept powered were the ones that were written about. Essentially, Decimation had very little actual effect on the X titles. In fact, the only X-title that it had any real effect on, IMO, is the Academy-X/New X-Men title. And then, they blew up most of those who lost their powers anyway.

How many of the X-men in the main title books actually lost their powers, though? Lorna Dane, maybe? The writers either gave them back, or they're used as foils, or "dependent NPCs" (Rictor of X-Factor, Prodigy of the New X-men/Academy-X), who have to be protected by the team. So, a bunch of mutants that nearly no one cared about in the first place lost their powers. That doesn't mean it reall affected the X-titles. And frankly, to reiterate, I wouldn't mind seeing most of the 198 phased out, as well. Decimation was supposed to be about cleaning up the "mutant mess", but it failed, likely due to writer fiat (no one wanted to give up their "pet characters").

I mean, really, did anyone honestly expect Wolverine, Colossus, Cyclops, or any of the face-value characters to be depowered/dead after Decimation? No. In fact, we still ended up with more (retconned in) characters in the X-titles than we started with (see Scott/Alex's brother over in Shi'ar land, for example). I count 208 characters still with their powers (though some died in the Civil War series, a la Namorita, or elsewhere, a la Banshee). That's hardly what I'd call a cleaning up of the mutant morass Marvel had going. Sure, it whiped out all those no-names, but there's still about 200 mutants of at least marginally recognizable status running around. Way too many. 20's a good number. 200 isn't.

[Alphan76]

IMO this is the worst of all the CW tie-in's. I can't get into it at all. :(

[mybotisgone]

What the hell are you talking about? House of M reduced the mutant population, they don't need to cull the numbers any further. At the moment there may be as few as only a few hundred of them worldwide. There's hardly 'So many of them' and it's certainly not 'almost normal'. Sheesh.
You know Beast I can remember a time when someone told you the same thing a long time ago after House of M but before Decimation. I guess it's ture what they say. turn around is fair play.:evilsmile I do agree with what you say.

[Blackcat]

Killing a large amount of mutant-characters id not a good idea. There is only abour 2% left. They should put 'lame' characters in Limbo for a while, but not kill them, the X-books had enough to suffer after M-Day, the attack on the school etc.

[Karthak]

Since I nearly screamed out loud with rage when the scarlet witch erased almost the entire mutant species, I am most definitely against killing more mutants now. Hell, I still don´t see why they had to come up with decimation in the first place!

[Beast]

Since I nearly screamed out loud with rage when the scarlet witch erased almost the entire mutant species, I am most definitely against killing more mutants now. Hell, I still don´t see why they had to come up with decimation in the first place!
There were too many of them and the X-Books had gotten too far away from the core concept.

[mybotisgone]

Since I nearly screamed out loud with rage when the scarlet witch erased almost the entire mutant species, I am most definitely against killing more mutants now. Hell, I still don´t see why they had to come up with decimation in the first place!
I agree. House of M, Decimation, and even the Storm and the Black Panther wedding are all just really REALLY bad ideas.:(

[Blackcat]

I agree. House of M, Decimation, and even the Storm and the Black Panther wedding are all just really REALLY bad ideas.:( I liked all those 'bad ideas' a lot!

[Karthak]

I agree. House of M, Decimation, and even the Storm and the Black Panther wedding are all just really REALLY bad ideas.:(
Decimation is the only one of them that I disagree with.

[SensorBoy]

Decimation was good.

Cleaned out many of the ankle-biter mutants*. Jubilee.

Gave Lorna a new excuse to get nude and homocidal.

Derailed the (increasingly silly) "Mutants are persecuted"/"We are the rightful inheritors of the Earth!!!" crap. Either you're not a threat and being persecuted unjustly, or you are whining about not being able to take over the Earth (and displace h sapiens) without a fuss. Pick one. At least Magneto was honest, Emma.

Fewer mutants = less Emo. I hope.

Allowed the writers to showcase how shallow some of Our Heroes really are:

" I know we were friends for years (or had a really tight mentor/student bond), but it seems that being mutants was the only thing we really had in common. Please move out of the Mansion no later than Monday, Flatscan."

*-Missed a few, but Stryker was batting cleanup.

[mybotisgone]

Good news SensorBoy some rumors say that Jubilee may come back with her power in full. By the way making Polaris all crazy really did not work out for Marvel X-Men are have you forgoten how bad this guy was on Uncanny X-Men comic? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Austen#Marvel_and_DC_work

You know if you like shallow Heroes so much why do't you just read The Punisher comics. He's the most shallow Heroe out there.

[SensorBoy]

Good news SensorBoy some rumors say that Jubilee may come back with her power in full. By the way making Polaris all crazy really did not work out for Marvel X-Men are have you forgoten how bad this guy was on Uncanny X-Men comic? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Austen#Marvel_and_DC_work

You know if you like shallow Heroes so much why do't you just read The Punisher comics. He's the most shallow Heroe out there.

1.) Jubilee: Noooooooo!

2.) Polaris: The insanowoman angle has been going on so long, it's pretty much her distinguishing feature as a character.

3.) Punisher: Nah. Batman does it better.

[mybotisgone]

1.) Jubilee: Noooooooo!

2.) Polaris: The insanowoman angle has been going on so long, it's pretty much her distinguishing feature as a character.

3.) Punisher: Nah. Batman does it better.
1.) Jubilee to bad live with it. Besides I said maybe.

2.)Polaris: The insanowoman angle thing is going nowhere fast. Take a look on how Milligan messed her character even more and look how bad he messed up Gambit's character he's now a cross between a evil elf and a evil smurf.:confused:

3.) Batman will no kill. Punisher will kill everyone of them. Din't you look at the Punisher: Batman crossover by Marvel and DC.

[SensorBoy]

2.)Polaris: The insanowoman angle thing is going nowhere fast. Take a look on how Milligan messed her character even more and look how bad he messed up Gambit's character he's now a cross between a evil elf and a evil smurf.:confused:

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Didnt say it was good. I just said it's currently her most distinguishing feature as a character.

ALEX: Hey guys! Lorna's naked and homocidal again!
SCOTT: Must be Tuesday...

[mybotisgone]

Didnt say it was good. I just said it's currently her most distinguishing feature as a character.

ALEX: Hey guys! Lorna's naked and homocidal again!
SCOTT: Must be Tuesday...
Pont not taken and needs and she need to back to her normal character. This new character Marvel made of her is clearly not working.

[SensorBoy]

Pont not taken and needs and she need to back to her normal character. This new character Marvel made of her is clearly not working.

The (10-12 pages total) appearances of Ultimate Lorna have been better than the last 6-8 years of 616 Lorna.

[Syzygy]

I agree. House of M, Decimation, and even the Storm and the Black Panther wedding are all just really REALLY bad ideas.:(

I'm enjoying these "bad" ideas too. But if you don't like them, I respect your opinion.

Peace,
Syzygy

[Crimson]

Was anyone elses full of printer errors? Double page splashes not meeting in the middle, misalinged pages, blurring pages?

Mine was full of it, it was off putting to read... I may ask my comic store for another if it was just me who had this problem.

[UniqueFrequency]

Eh, it was alright. Hyping the book as being about the remaining 'Original X-Men' is pretty much balderdash. Considering there's been more focus on David Hine's pet characters and the 198.

yeah i agree. i thought i was gonna get an original x-men story, but i think they have very little screen time between them. but i give props to Hine for making it rather accessible though, i managed to get a good idea of his characters

[FunkyRenegade]

Was anyone elses full of printer errors? Double page splashes not meeting in the middle, misalinged pages, blurring pages?

Mine was full of it, it was off putting to read... I may ask my comic store for another if it was just me who had this problem.
I had that too. The colour was all over the place for about 6 - 8 pages after the middle in my book.