Birds Of Prey #101 Solicits (Spoilers) [Archive]

Cayman

09-18-2006, 03:12 PM

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/dccomics/200612/dcu/BOP-Cv101.jpg

Written by Gail Simone
Art by Nicola Scott & Doug Hazlewood
Cover by Stephane Roux
The new Birds of Prey pay a heavy price as one of their own becomes the target of a government sting designed to put Oracle out of business for good. Even with the added power of her new operatives, can Oracle prevent Manhunter's true identity from being exposed?
On sale December 20 o 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US

Cool cover. Is the middle character in the puddle Judomaster?

shrike

09-18-2006, 03:16 PM

Art wise it is a great cover.

I'm not overly fond of the 'new' line up.

I love Gail's work, but it looks like issue 100 will be my jumping off point.

Sorry, Gail.

Cayman

09-18-2006, 03:19 PM

Yeah, I don't like that line-up either, but assuming Huntress remains I will keep buying it. Let MAN/HUNTRESS begin!

Is Nicola Scott the permanent artist now?

David Atkins

09-18-2006, 03:19 PM

I love Gail's work, but it looks like issue 100 will be my jumping off point.

Not me. I was hooked with issues #96 and #97 (was curious about Black Alice, never picked up an issue of BOP before). Barring some major downhill sliding, I'll be picking up this title for a while.

shrike

09-18-2006, 03:29 PM

Not me. I was hooked with issues #96 and #97 (was curious about Black Alice, never picked up an issue of BOP before). Barring some major downhill sliding, I'll be picking up this title for a while.

That's awesome! If you are new to the title, I'm sure it will keep you for a bit... Gail really is a terrific writer, regardless if I'm giving her my 2.99 a month or not (5.98 with Secret Six).

I've never made it any secret I'm reading this title for Black Canary, who I pretty much follow. Gail really has/ had a grasp on the character moreso than anyone that comes to mind. EVER. I'm not a fan of Barda's, I've attempted to get into Manhunter with some success... but seriously, my heart isn't in comics anymore save for the character I grew up to adore. I wish I had something better to say than 'If I don't get my way I'm LEAVING!', lol, but seriously, if something doesnt attract me, I'm not going to buy it.

Gail Simone

09-18-2006, 03:35 PM

That's a hot cover, I hadn't seen that before.

I wouldn't want people to guess that that's actually the new line-up, though...

Gail

Cayman

09-18-2006, 03:41 PM

Who is Stephane Roux? I like his stuff.

(Although it kinda looks like Barda, Babs, and Judomaster(?) are stuck in The Phantom Puddle.

SteelChrysanthemum

09-18-2006, 03:41 PM

No idea who half those faces are. Manhunter (very cool to see her pop in). Barbara. Someone. Someone vaguely Barda looking. I'll wait and see what's coming up. I didn't think Secret Six would be half as much fun as it was, either.

Now, I'm waiting to hear that with the new Batwoman being Kathy Kane, the new Batgirl will be Cassie Cain, a cheerful cheerleader type with a talent for martial arts. From another earth, of course.

ElvisGuy

09-18-2006, 03:49 PM

That's a hot cover, I hadn't seen that before.

I wouldn't want people to guess that that's actually the new line-up, though...

Gail
Hmmm...thats what I was thinking. I think the core team will still be the same with Canary still being around just not every issue with her new schedule the Justice League. I think new operatives will be added to fill in when a member of the core team is unavalible for certain missions. Im hoping Batwoman will be a new operative..she seems like alot of fun so far.

Kyuubi

09-18-2006, 03:50 PM

I'm cautious, yet optimistic.

Kinda like a guy trying to get away with a silent fart in a crowded elevator.

One certainty I have is that Nicola Scott is going to be great.

Sean Walsh

09-18-2006, 03:55 PM

BIG BARDA'S A BIRD OF PREY?!?!?! :D

(Even if it's not so..........hey, she's on the cover for some sorta reason at least...)

Jack Zodiac

09-18-2006, 03:58 PM

Why does Big Barda look like she's pinching a loaf in that puddle?

Charles RB

09-18-2006, 03:59 PM

That is a very good cover.

Cayman

09-18-2006, 04:04 PM

That is a very good cover.

Yes, I vote Roux for regular cover artist.

Cayman

09-18-2006, 04:05 PM

Why does Big Barda look like she's pinching a loaf in that puddle?

She just read that someone suggested Jessica Biel play her in a casting call?

amboy00

09-18-2006, 04:06 PM

That's a hot cover, I hadn't seen that before.

I wouldn't want people to guess that that's actually the new line-up, though...

Gail
It is a hot cover. Let the innuendo begin!

Cayman

09-18-2006, 04:08 PM

Gail's been getting some superior cover artists lately, with the likes of Olivetti and Ladronn.

Jack Zodiac

09-18-2006, 04:10 PM

She just read that someone suggested Jessica Biel play her in a casting call?

BA-ZING!

I've also got a disturbing joke about the centerpiece, but opted for the less disgusting one instead.

Corrina

09-18-2006, 04:53 PM

I love the cover.

I find it hard to believe Manhunter is one of Oracle's new operatives, though, given how much trouble Babs had with Helena's decisions regarding the level of violence necessary for a superhero.

OTOH, I like the origin and concept of Manhunter, I'm just not fond of the execution, so perhaps Gail writing the character will make me a fan.

*And, yes, before anyone asks, I think Mark Andreyko is a great guy and a great interview but I find Kate Spencer's characterization to be much more...well...guy-like than it should be, for lack of a better word. It's a gut feeling more than anything else but added to the child in jeopardy plots, the secret parents & Chase inexplicably hopping into bed with Kate's criminal aide-de-camp and it's just not a book I liked, though I wanted to.

Night Swordsman

09-18-2006, 04:59 PM

Wow. I am..so disapointed. I just saw the solicits,and checked here for a thread like this.

Ok,giving Gail a break,i am hoping that IS NOT the line up.

But if it is,i am so done with this book.
Can NOT stand Kate Spencer,aka Manhunter.
Big Barda Bores me Big Time. Along with Mr. Miracle.

I also see not a sign of Huntress,Lady Blackhawk,or Dinah.

And Judomaster?????? Sigh. Why?
There are ALOT of INTERESTING CHARACTERS in this BOOK ALREADY that do NOT get enough screentime,so to add more into this just seems a mess.

I will give the book a few issues after 100,but i do believe if this is the team,i am done.

I still have faith Gail. I am still willing to try it.
Hell,you might accomplish a miricle and make me LIKE Kate for ONCE in my life.

DuelaDent

09-18-2006, 05:27 PM

Huh.....different.

Since I just finished packing my "Jump to Conclusions" mat into the closet, I will wait to comment until after I read the issue.

Different indeed....and I can only hope that "different" = "good" in this case, like Arby's. :confused:

ChthonicSpirit

09-18-2006, 05:34 PM

I am likewise reserving comment until I've actually read the issue. Remember people: SOLICTS LIE!!!!!

I am curious though as to why Oracle is busily helping Manhunter. In the past, Oracle has thoroughly pontificated about the subject of vigilantes who kill. Has Kate suddenly reformed? Does she have somehting on Oracle? Do the Birds need her help?

Michael P

09-18-2006, 05:37 PM

shrike

09-18-2006, 05:40 PM

I suppose one of my HUGE reservations with the direction of BIRDS is that 100 should have been, IMO, a milestone, a celebration.

The solicits and the covers... and what looks like the dissolution of the 'core team'... make it seem more like a funeral.

Just kinda sad.

Tad Sivana

09-18-2006, 05:54 PM

Well, I'm pumped!
Not only am I expecting to love Barda under Gail's direction (whether she stays or not), I'm very interested in seeing her take on Manhunter, a title I did not think much of under Mark Andreyko.
I'm looking forward to surprises!

Cayman

09-18-2006, 06:46 PM

Countering this with a question to the general group: Before Villains United #1, how many of you would have greeted the news that Catman was joining the cast of your favorite book with a similar reaction?

That's kind of a different situation though. Catman didn't replace the star of another book. If you were buing Green Arrow, and suddenly it was a Catman book, one might feel trepidation as well.

David Atkins

09-18-2006, 06:48 PM

That's kind of a different situation though. Catman didn't replace the star of another book. If you were buing Green Arrow, and suddenly it was a Catman book, one might feel trepidation as well.

Unless, of course, Catman grew a beard as cool as Ollie's.

Cayman

09-18-2006, 07:30 PM

Unless, of course, Catman grew a beard as cool as Ollie's.

IMPOSSIBLE!

Arawn

09-18-2006, 07:32 PM

We should all jeep the most important of facts in mind. Even if you don't like BoP post issue 100...Just remember, Gail is writing Gen 13 and thats all that matters.

23 days and counting.

Dr Ray Palmer

09-18-2006, 08:41 PM

I have faith in Gail. Every time she's had me foaming at the mouth and shaking my fist at the heavens in rage over something appalling I thought she was going to do, she ended up doing something excellent that just left me with a foamy-yet-smiling mouth and tendonitis in my Shaking Arm.

David Atkins

09-18-2006, 09:28 PM

IMPOSSIBLE!

Probably. But if he did... ya know. More people would be jobbing to Catman than Batman!

shrike

09-18-2006, 11:13 PM

Not to start derailing a topic, but I've always LIKED Catman... although in this newest incarnation I really think he needs a new outfit.

David Bedlam

09-19-2006, 04:30 AM

Untill I see otherwise, I'll asume Gail knows what she's doing.

And if she doesn't, there's always Gen13, Atom and Tranquility. :)

WhiteRose

09-19-2006, 05:22 AM

Untill I see otherwise, I'll asume Gail knows what she's doing.

And if she doesn't, there's always Gen13, Atom and Tranquility. :)

It's almost too much! A GAIL OVERLOAD!

I too am a little dubious, but will wait until actually reading it to pass any judgement.

Meanwhile, yes, that is a very, very hot cover, and I am exceedingly *squeed* over Nicola Scott joining for art.

Justin Carr

09-19-2006, 05:48 AM

I'm sorry. My Japanese wife only allows Japanese porn in our house (true story) since she insists that they make the best porn (and noodles and condoms and rice and... etc.), so that cover had the WRONG images going through my head. I really should see about getting my mind cleansed one of these days...

Azrael52

09-19-2006, 09:16 AM

I wish that Gail would just send me all of them up through December. She's so mean, making me wait like everyone else. Bah!

Sharpandpointies

09-19-2006, 09:39 AM

I'm sorry. My Japanese wife only allows Japanese porn in our house (true story) since she insists that they make the best porn (and noodles and condoms and rice and... etc.)...

Please die.

:)

Seriously, though, I'm curious to see how Judomaster works out. And I'm stilll holding out for the new line-up being the old lineup, minus Huntress, plus...I don't know. Someone. :)

I'll probably not get my Huntress wish, but heck, I'm allowed to hope.

titanfan

09-19-2006, 10:37 AM

I am curious though as to why Oracle is busily helping Manhunter. In the past, Oracle has thoroughly pontificated about the subject of vigilantes who kill. Has Kate suddenly reformed? Does she have somehting on Oracle? Do the Birds need her help?

Or maybe Babs thinks she can "reform" her. She's worked with Savant, Creote, and Huntress now.

Sharpandpointies

09-19-2006, 10:48 AM

Or maybe Babs thinks she can "reform" her. She's worked with Savant, Creote, and Huntress now.

Because Huntress, she of the 'Opening dialogue via a volley of arrows', is so very reformed....

Azrael52

09-19-2006, 10:57 AM

Ah, yes, Huntress likes a little blood, doesn't she? But we still love her.

Cayman

09-19-2006, 10:59 AM

Ah, yes, Huntress likes a little blood, doesn't she? But we still love her.

That's why I love her.

SteelChrysanthemum

09-19-2006, 01:39 PM

Hmm...I don't mind Huntress so much. But if there was a desire to use Judomaster, I'd not mind. She's a fairly obscure character that could use a push. I'd be sorry to see Black Canary go, since that would also cut one link to having Shiva show up and not be inflicting injury on people. Lady Blackhawk for me is eh. Gypsy I like, but she tends to disappear all the time. I barely knew she was in the last two issues, but she was evidently around the whole time.

Gingold

09-19-2006, 02:22 PM

Is her name Judomaster or Judomistress?

Azrael52

09-19-2006, 02:23 PM

Or The Judo Meister?

SteelChrysanthemum

09-19-2006, 03:41 PM

Is her name Judomaster or Judomistress?
I suppose Judomaster, with master as a mark of respect for her skill. Judomistress just sounds way to BDSM.

Azrael52

09-19-2006, 03:48 PM

Yeah, that's a totally different comic alltogether.

Night Swordsman

09-19-2006, 04:31 PM

Countering this with a question to the general group: Before Villains United #1, how many of you would have greeted the news that Catman was joining the cast of your favorite book with a similar reaction?

I LIKED Catman LONG before VU 1. Heck,my first exposure to him was from the old Who's Who entry of him,and that wonderful art of him. Then reading that entry..WOW..someone as tuff as Batman,who HAS beaten him?

He IMEDITATELY gained respect from me as a super-villan.

I also was saddened how he was handled in Green Arrow,but Gail USED that point to make him a even STRONGER Character. THAT's good comic book writing,utilizing what has gone before and BUILDING,rather than retconning or ignoring.

So please,do not even put the ever whiny Kate in Catman's class.
She dosn't even have half the character.
In MY opinion,only.

TCJohnson

09-19-2006, 05:02 PM

Countering this with a question to the general group: Before Villains United #1, how many of you would have greeted the news that Catman was joining the cast of your favorite book with a similar reaction?

Not me. Honestly. I have always liked catman since reading his entry in Who's Who. But then again all my favorites are 3rd tier characters and I like cats.

ChthonicSpirit

09-19-2006, 05:19 PM

Or maybe Babs thinks she can "reform" her. She's worked with Savant, Creote, and Huntress now.

Maybe she can, but we don't really want kate reformed, do we?

Dr Ray Palmer

09-19-2006, 07:08 PM

I LIKED Catman LONG before VU 1. Heck,my first exposure to him was from the old Who's Who entry of him,and that wonderful art of him. Then reading that entry..WOW..someone as tuff as Batman,who HAS beaten him?

Yeah, I always wondered how Catman got Art Adams to draw him way back in the original Who's Who. Maybe Adams realized how very, very cool Blake was going to turn out to be someday.

Astonishing X-Fan

09-19-2006, 07:38 PM

If Huntress leaves the team, I probably leave the book.

Sharpandpointies

09-19-2006, 07:53 PM

I'd be sorry to see Black Canary go, since that would also cut one link to having Shiva show up and not be inflicting injury on people.

This is a huge point for me, as well.

Though she did state she wanted to 'spar' with Gypsy. Just to see.

Azrael52

09-20-2006, 07:48 AM

If Huntress leaves the team, I probably leave the book.

It would take losing Huntress and Gail for me.

Cayman

09-20-2006, 08:04 AM

Between this cover and the nice Art Adams cover for her solo book, Manhunter is looking really great in December.

Deeranged

09-20-2006, 10:53 AM

well I do not think the cover tells the true line up of the birds of prey Gail has been known to tease very much so I am staying period I been with the book since 56 I admit it has it down lows on the art but the writing and scripting has been and still is excellent

Azrael52

09-20-2006, 11:20 AM

Yeah, I agree. As for the art, though, it's never been bad art, IMO, but Benes and Bennet have had me spoiled rotten on this book.

David Atkins

09-21-2006, 11:03 AM

That's awesome! If you are new to the title, I'm sure it will keep you for a bit... Gail really is a terrific writer, regardless if I'm giving her my 2.99 a month or not (5.98 with Secret Six).

I've never made it any secret I'm reading this title for Black Canary, who I pretty much follow. Gail really has/ had a grasp on the character moreso than anyone that comes to mind. EVER. I'm not a fan of Barda's, I've attempted to get into Manhunter with some success... but seriously, my heart isn't in comics anymore save for the character I grew up to adore. I wish I had something better to say than 'If I don't get my way I'm LEAVING!', lol, but seriously, if something doesnt attract me, I'm not going to buy it.

Whoa, I didn't actually see this until today. At least, I don't think I did. *lol*

I get that. There have been MANY cases when a favorite character has lead me to a series. These days, however, the make-or-break part of the comic is how well I like the writing, and Gail has failed to dissapoint me so far. My first exposure to her wasn't all that long ago, with the Villains United issue that lead into the big Battle for Metroplis bit from IC #7. I loved that. From there on through the two issues of BoP I've bought so far (and all the ones I've thumbed through while at the comic book shop), I've been loving her work.

I view comic books in pretty much the same way I view novels, actually. For instance, one of my favorite authors, David Gemmell, passed away a couple of months ago. My favorite character created by David Gemmell was, of course, Druss the Legend. I own all of his books pertaining to that character. However, as I like the author, I've bought almost all of his other work as well and enjoyed it, in some cases, as much.

Unlike a lot of people, seeing as how David Gemmell has passed away, I would buy a book published by another author that was about Druss the Legend. Like I said, he was my favorite character. From there on, it would be up to that author to hook me with his work. If he did so successfully, I would likely buy even more of his work NOT pertaining to Druss.

Anyway... there you go. My needlessly long explanation that was far from being informative enough to warrant it's length. :D

Azrael52

09-21-2006, 02:02 PM

Anyway... there you go. My needlessly long explanation that was far from being informative enough to warrant it's length. :D

Gee, I didn't know that was a prerequisit on YABS.

David Atkins

09-21-2006, 02:30 PM

Gee, I didn't know that was a prerequisit on YABS.

Maybe it's a personal prerequisit. Did you ever think of that? HUH?! Maybe I'm an uber-driven overachiever whose greatest desire is to BE HEARD and to MAKE SENSE and to HAVE A FREAKIN' PURPOSE!!!!!

Of course, if that were the case, I probably wouldn't be hanging around these forum for so many hours at a time.

DarkCrisis

09-21-2006, 02:53 PM

I sitll don't see how you can have BoP without it's 2 core members, Babs and Dinah.

Other members can come and go, but those two MADE the book.

Azrael52

09-22-2006, 09:11 AM

Using your philosophy . . .

Blue Beetle, Atom . . .

Tad Sivana

09-22-2006, 05:57 PM

I just have to say....while I like Huntress....she's not the real focus of the book.
BOP was an exciting showcase for Babs, Dinah and Lois Lane, Power Girl, Catwoman, etc... before Helena came on board and it can continue to be a great book if she has to go because, let's face it, there are a lot of interesting women out there in the DCU that we hardly ever get to see and most of them have only barely been fleshed out by the writers.
Dinah, on the other hand....is a bigger pair of fishnets to fill. The key relationship in the book has been that of Dinah and Babs and mutual redemption. Other characters were really only cameos up until the look at Power Girl and then came Helena - and we gained some great insights into her character as she and the Birds worked to 'fit in'. Will Gypsy get this treatment? Will Zinda? If Babs loses her prime operatives, how will she pick up the pieces?
On the other hand, you get the sense that Babs has done this before - it's unsaid that her need to sign up Dinah was partly because of some disaster with an op who bailed on her and she has clearly had other agents working for her in the past, some on a purely mercenary basis...including Deathstroke. Don't count Barbara Gordon out from making the hard decisions and getting on with what's important.
This is really Bab's book - though Gail has made it more about Dinah in recent years.

LittleCanaryMin

09-22-2006, 09:56 PM

THE BIRDS OF PREY STARTING TO LOOSE GROUND!

With the recent news of the team split, more and more I'm hearing the same thing, with unhappy readers makes for a dying trade. Many on CanaryNoir dot com have given their opinions, and mine as well we will be leaving the trade after number 100.

Leaving the Trade (http://www.canarynoir.com/wordsofprey/viewtopic.php?t=642)

Its hard to imagine a Birds of Prey without the two core members. Barbara Gordon and Dinah Lance. With Dinah gone, it leaves the question does Gail Simone's prominent flagship the Birds of Prey sink or swim? In this gutsy move to solicit readers that, "the team changes." Makes it appear that a good portion of the fanship will jump ship with issue 100.

After nearly ten years and a trainwreck of a television series, it maybe the Birds' saviour that finally kills them. All in all, who knows what may lie ahead, but it seems that disaster is set to strike the Birds of Prey, and this time they may not recover. With DC' rep of taking out prominent characters or disregarding others such as Nightwing Dick Grayson or Batgirl Cassandra Cain. Many are loosing faith in the industry and this may very well mark the decline for DC.

Astonishing X-Fan

09-22-2006, 11:49 PM

I guess I'm the only person that is constantly annoyed that BOP is pretty much the Black Canary/Barbara Gordon show.

It seems like even when they try to do a Huntress arc, they jam in as much of the other two as possible.

IMO, Huntress should be treated as one of the STARS, just like they are. But she's not. She's the third wheel...which sucks cause I LIKE how Gail writes her, and she's the reason I started reading the book.

So yeah...if she's really gonna be gone, I really don't know if I'll stay with BOP.