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Sean Whitmore
07-25-2006, 06:10 PM
HOLY CRAP!
I just re-read SILVER SURFER #2.
Well played, Schmidt. Well played.
A hint for the slower kids in the class?
Does it have something to do with that survivor the Surfer found?
SEAN
Mysterio's Helmet
07-25-2006, 10:07 PM
Could you be a little more specific... or PM me with details if you think it spoils anything. You have peeked my interest :)
I'd like to know as well.
And I'd also like to extend a "well done". It's rare where you can pull those subtle things off anymore. At the same time, it means Wendell is gone. I understand he could come back but that pretty much .... sucked, for lack of a better word. I had hope Wendell would be back by the end of Annihilation. I know for a fact that it isn't true now. Sad, really. Well......it's been a fun run.
Let's see how the living handle the rest.....then I guess we'll see.
Mjolnir
07-26-2006, 03:26 AM
Speaking of trades, we just got an Essential Nova. Any chance of an Essential Quasar? Maybe 1-27, collecting the whole start, Journey into Mystery, and Cosmos in Collision storylines?
If not now, 2008 for the 30th Anniversary?
This is a great idea. In fact, Marvel Classics would be better - Quasar in colour. But hey, i'll take ESSENTIAL Quasar anyday!!!
and thanks for saving my family some future dollars and cents! :)
LOL, I guess that's one way to look at it. I was buying Annihilation stuff strictly because of the Quasar appearences, myself....
Silver Nimbus
07-27-2006, 12:07 PM
So, even IF Wendell had survived, he would have lost the Bands...
Personally, I think I like him losing the bands through death than through defeat...
Death is pretty much the only way to lose the Bands.
As shown previously in Quasar's own series, as long as the bonded wearer remains alive, even if the body part hosting the Bands is severed, the matter encircled by the Bands remains inviolate. The amputee wielder can't use the Bands in that condition, but then no one else can either. Only upon the death of the bonded wearer can the Bands be detached.
Amusingly, for the benefit of non-bipedal wielders the Bands are not limited to their current pair of bracelets form. All 14 gems may be joined together into a single object, which can then be worn typically on the creature's trunk. What we haven't ever seen is the use of the Bands by a creature too small to wear them in one form or another.
This opens the possibility for Annihilus to eventually lose the bands when damaged enough to return to his diminutive spec form that serves as the transition between mature hosts. It might count as dying or being too small to use the Bands appropriately.
Sean Whitmore
07-27-2006, 12:30 PM
I actually liked Deathcry too. *sigh*
Wow.....honestly?
;)
SEAN
Steven F.
07-27-2006, 02:29 PM
Wow.....honestly?
;)
SEAN
Yeah, I know, but I really did. I was the one that liked her.
Sean Whitmore
08-01-2006, 11:41 PM
Andy? You were 10 when that came out in May of '92?
That explains some things.
And makes me feel very, very old.
I'm now older than the people who make the comics I read?
Ain't nothing good about hearing that...
SEAN
Cosmic Book Fan
08-02-2006, 12:27 AM
I'm now older than the people who make the comics I read?
Ain't nothing good about hearing that...
SEAN
Damn Straight!
BooCoo
08-02-2006, 09:57 AM
Where in blazes is Epoch? The bands are on Annihilus' possession surely she would have something to say about that. I think you mentioned before that she wouldn't show up. That doesn't make any sense to me. Her Protector has just been destroyed! She must be aware of this? Are Epoch and Infinity working on something behind the scenes?
Hmm, interesting thought. Seems hard to believe an avatar of Infinity could really die, anyway. I wouldn't mind seeing Qster return without needing the bands, his new powers some version/combo of starbrand and quantum ability. If someone else wants the trinkets, let 'em have em.
Also, what about Qsters friends? When will they find out the deal? And how will Moondragon react to all this (once she makes an appearance in Annihilation)?
Ah shucks, I'm not going to claim that I WON'T buy Annihilation, just that I'm going to be like the majority of comics fans and pick it up at the store, flip through it and see if I like the art, what is going on, etc., and decide if my money is worth it. My comic book shop told me that most of the A-mini series didn't sell well because people flipped through and just didn't dig something about them, except Nova - which, not suprisingly, sold-out each month. Given how different each title was with respect to art, etc., that really didn't shock me.
Like alot of the Q-fans here, were the "blond midwesterner with a sparkly cape" in each issue - I would have picked it up, no questions asked.
Sad, but true, there are some comic books (for me JSA, Astonishing X-men and Agents of Atlas are/will be on that list) which you pick up without questioning it. There are others - and this will be one - where I'll reserve judgment, from the start caring little about most of the characters spotlighted.
My point is that every time a comic moves from the "buy blindly without opening it up" list to the "hmmmm, let me see if this peaks my interest, given I'm not normally excited by these characters" - it usually leaves the wallet a little fuller at the end of the month. These days, it is especially difficult, given the high quality of work being produced by both of the big guys. In the 90s, that was not the case, but now .... I'm just thankful I'm gainfully employed, that's for sure.
However, it's really cool you are fielding questions and comments, and out of respect of that customer-involvement, that means that I WILL pick it up and at least look at it in the store and give it a look-see ievery month. I believe I, and all the fans of the "hero formally known as Marvel Man" owe you that much. It's a sign of a good editor.
QB
Well said, man. Especially the first two and last para... good stuff, them beans...
Regardless, I want "my other Marvel character" back. ;)
Good stuff chris (chris is a fellow "Iron Man guy" lol).
Andy! Marvel always says "because YOU demanded it... the return of... bla bla bla".
We want Quasar to come back and put Annihilus down for the count!!! You've been a real gem here, our esteemed editor... a fantastic professional, but you aren't a Quantum Gem until our guy comes back.... (& no Infinity/Quantum Gem comebacks allowed... LOL)
:eek: :p :D :p
tricksterpup
08-04-2006, 11:55 AM
My local shop has a first look copy of ANNIHILATION #1. Should I sneak a peek?
DAMN STRAIGHT..
drwho
08-08-2006, 08:55 PM
Hey Andy! Just thought of something ... will the Watchers be involved in Annihilation at all? Isn't there a watcher located in almost all sector's of the universe? I would think that whichever Watcher watches over the Skrull's would be pretty interested in what's going on :)
Oh and hmm... thanks for that Quasar/Wendell question... You've lifted my spirits a bit ;)
Keep on keeping on!
Now Now as we have seen elsewhere the Watchers are too busy hanging out at Black Panther's wedding party to care about this.
aniscape
08-08-2006, 08:58 PM
A point for Calamas is that nobody in private Ryan had their own series going into the movie, nor any fans before the movie began.
A point for Schmidt is that at least he is not saying, "I will do everything in my power to make sure this character does not come back as long as I work at Marvel."
I am one of the strongest Quasar supporters and I think that these comments are a bit premature. For one thing Annihilation isn't over yet. For another Andy has stated numerous times that he likes Wendell. He has made some choices we don't quite understand yet and I for one will be holding my tongue till the smoke clears. It's like reading a novel and something happens in the middle of it where it upsets you and you put the book down and damn the writer for it.
I of course above anything else would like to see Wendell return and who knows story is not over yet. But I got to say that I never imagined that I would be "Entertained" by a story that involved the apperent death of my faovrite hero. For that credit goes to the creators.
Now when the smoke clears as Quasar likes to say "The kid gloves are off!" ;)
TCJohnson
08-08-2006, 09:13 PM
I am one of the strongest Quasar supporters and I think that these comments are a bit premature. For one thing Annihilation isn't over yet. For another Andy has stated numerous times that he likes Wendell. He has made some choices we don't quite understand yet and I for one will be holding my tongue till the smoke clears. It's like reading a novel and something happens in the middle of it where it upsets you and you put the book down and damn the writer for it.
....which comments are premature? I don't see anything I said that contradicts what you just said.
Especially where I said, "Personally I am going to wait around to see how this story ends before I judge this book and the way that Kl'rt was killed for shock value. "
aniscape
08-08-2006, 09:23 PM
....which comments are premature? I don't see anything I said that contradicts what you just said.
Especially where I said, "Personally I am going to wait around to see how this story ends before I judge this book and the way that Kl'rt was killed for shock value. "
I guess it was more towards what Calamas said :) I agree with your statement above ...hmm... I was just trying to state that when I read the final page of Annihilation #6 and feel that any of the deaths that happen during the event were uncalled for I will bring it up then.
So I guess we agree I just mistook you last comment posted.
I just realize what happened as I was typing this up. You edited your comment I quated you before your comment of "Personally I am going to wait around to see how this story ends before I judge this book and the way that Kl'rt was killed for shock value. " was added :)
simaltaneous posting ... gotta love it :cool:
aniscape
08-09-2006, 05:14 PM
1) Is Starlord actually Wendell in disguise using that eyepatch thing over his eye to cover up the Starbrand? :)
I am afraid that is not the case. Starlord appeared in the brief Thanos Series from issues 7-12. And that was way before the Annihilation Wave struck therefore before Quasar's apparent demise. I do really like him as a character and his Questionable background :)
Speaking of which could we get some TBP love for some previous Starlord books? I would be really interested in seeing what he did previously.
Cthulhudrew
08-09-2006, 11:27 PM
Just having finished Cvil War Frontline #5 I realized there was a prison built in the Negative Zone. How would Annihilus react to that encroachment on his territory. For that matter, how would Blaastar react?
Would they necessarily know, though? I mean, the Negative Zone is a big place (isn't it the same size as the mainstream MU, ie, infinitely large?)
Cthulhudrew
08-10-2006, 09:42 PM
Okay Andy, here I am once again with the Stardust thing. I just picked up the Nova Corps Files where Stardust is referred to as a she again. So once again what’s going on with Stardust's gender? In Stormbreaker and the profile in A: SS #4 Stardust is referred to as he while Giffen and now the Corps Files say Stardust's a she.
Maybe Stardust had a sex change? Hermaphrodite?
aniscape
08-10-2006, 10:03 PM
It's an alien. Why worry? Stardust isn't exactly a potential love interest for any of the other characters at the moment, anyway.
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Andy, I was kind of unclear reading #1 . . . how much time has passed between the end of RONAN (AD + 99) and the battle on Daedelus 5? I'm guessing it's a month or two, but I was wondering if it's worth specifying for the purpose of the Timeline.
Well... the sex scene with Gamora and Rich was on AD 206 so maybe within the previous week or just a few days of that. Either way it's been about 100 days since the last Ronan book. 3 and half months.
Expletive Deleted
08-10-2006, 10:08 PM
Ah, I missed that.
Thanks, man.
Mjolnir
08-11-2006, 11:59 PM
heh. heheh.
nova and gamora's 'united front'.
heheh.
Silver Nimbus
08-12-2006, 08:29 AM
I was gonna field this as a thread starter but i fear the moderators.
Besides, i think Andy is the only one that can possibly answer this, (that is if it doesnt cost him his job doing so!)
Okay so obviously there's two new Galactus-level beings on the scene.
My question is...we KNOW Galactus has an appetite...
So what about Aegis and Tenebrous? Will they require feasting on planets, or something else entirely? Will we see some heralds?
Thanks as always for your time with this thread Andy, and keep up the perfect work!
Well, Galactus orignally took millennia between feedings; he's sped up considerably in modern times but we don't know where they are in their feeding cycles. Also, it's now part of the Galactus backstory that he uses the vast majority of the power he gains from consuming planets to imprison Abraxas. A&T don't necessarily have similar limitations.
Soundrave
08-14-2006, 09:46 AM
If Galactus once contained Aegis and Tenebrous without assistance, why isn't he even able to scratch Tenebrous when he fights him? And how come Surfer didn't really seem to help at all? Wasn't his assistance the main reason Galan changed him?
No one ever said Galactus defeated them in a physical brawl both at the same time. Maybe he played them against each other. Or he may have tricked them into being trapped within he Kyln without the need for physical confrontation, for all we know. And even if he did beat them in a physical confrontation, we don't know what the circumstances were -- maybe Galactus was stronger at the time or Aegis and Tenebrous were weaker.
Who knows what Surfer did? Maybe the battle raged on for weeks and we only saw the tail end of it. I think you're really over-analyzing a few panels of art in an attempt to find "mistakes" that don't exist.
About this whole "the 616 universe is expanding into the Negative Zone" concept. Doesn't this defy the long-established scientific principle of anti-matter and matter destroying each other on contact? I thought that was why, in the past, special portals and magical gateways were used to access it.
The universes are separated by the Crunch, which is being pushed further back into the Negative Zone.
Joe Acro
08-14-2006, 09:50 AM
No one ever said Galactus defeated them in a physical brawl both at the same time. Maybe he played them against each other. Or he may have tricked them into being trapped within he Kyln without the need for physical confrontation, for all we know. And even if he did beat them in a physical confrontation, we don't know what the circumstances were -- maybe Galactus was stronger at the time or Aegis and Tenebrous were weaker.
Who knows what Surfer did? Maybe the battle raged on for weeks and we only saw the tail end of it. I think you're really over-analyzing a few panels of art in an attempt to find "mistakes" that don't exist.
I don't think I'm over-analyzing. It really seems to me quite odd that by the end of that fight Aegis and Tenebrous have no noticeable damage while the "heroes" of the fight look like they're not getting up for months.
The universes are separated by the Crunch, which is being pushed further back into the Negative Zone.
What is this "Crunch?" And how does it allow never-before-seen free-flowing travel?
Sean Walsh
08-14-2006, 03:41 PM
Andy,
What does DAS'T mean? I seem to recall it being used a lot by Giffen in 'Thanos' 7-12, and then just read it again in 'Annihilation' #1.
This is killing me...
Das't = shock, carn sarnit, gorram, zang and other pretend swear words, methinks. :p
Silver Nimbus
08-14-2006, 09:19 PM
Could be talking about the new X-men Story Arc in Uncanny x-men?
Probably not. It's confirmed to have among the set:
* Captain Marvel/Photon/Genis-Vell
* Drax the Destroyer
* Nova
* Silver Surfer
* Thanos
And rumored to have some of the other characters appearing in Annihilation. Ooh, new Quasar variant in the new costume maybe? A man can dream.
Joe Acro
08-15-2006, 03:46 PM
The matter is destroyed, but space itself is not. I'm actually discussing this on another message board, but matter can't be destroyed. I know, I know. "Given all of the reality-defying stuff I said, this bothers you?" Still, your theory is based in science and taken to the nth degree. Does the matter instead get converted into some kind of energy or, perhaps, dark matter?
Silver Nimbus
08-15-2006, 06:06 PM
I'm actually discussing this on another message board, but matter can't be destroyed. I know, I know. "Given all of the reality-defying stuff I said, this bothers you?" Still, your theory is based in science and taken to the nth degree. Does the matter instead get converted into some kind of energy or, perhaps, dark matter?
Note the previous sentence:
If the 616 has a positive constant, the matter on the leading edge of the Universe, on colliding with the Negative Zone, destroys portions of the Negative Zone and itself, releasing energy (The Kyln).
Matter/Antimatter collisions (Clever, Mr. Schmidt, clever - also called annihilation) result in either highly energetic gamma ray photons, or with heavier/more energetic particles other particle/antiparticle pairs (which can in turn mutually annihilate each other, releasing further energy). This is easily enough energy to harness, no matter how inefficiently, enough energy to power nearby star systems - the Kyln - and have enough energy left over to use in imprisoning near-Cosmological entities.
What I refer to in the matter/antimatter destruction is what happens when a Universe with a positive Cosmological Constant (the 616) abuts a predominantly antimatter universe with a less positive, zero or negative Constant (the Negative Zone). The 616 pushes, in the process of pushing destroys elements of the Negative zone, and fills the void on dint of superior energy levels.
If you could use the energy of this collision to make it harder for the 616 to push against the Negative Zone, however briefly, you could make it easier to cross through the annihilation point where they collide. At which point on the other side, you utilize the energy of the annihilation to fashion positive matter equivalents of your antimatter forms, then go to town killing the locals.
Or so I would have you believe. :evilsmile
Captain Exaggeration
08-15-2006, 07:50 PM
I need to stop reading the posts on this thread until I get #1 tommorrow... but its so tempting!!!
Dermie
08-16-2006, 10:16 AM
Woot gotta be Starfox, unless you're counting Moondragon - but she'd be as iffy as Drax.
Actually, he could be talking about Phyla. She is half-Titan after all, as well as half-Kree.
As much as I love Starfox and would love for him to turn up, I don't think Andy would use him here until his storyline in SHE-HULK is resolved. But maybe, after that happens, Starfox could be involved if there is a post-Annhilation project....? Pretty please? :)
Soundrave
08-16-2006, 11:54 AM
Actually, he could be talking about Phyla. She is half-Titan after all, as well as half-Kree.
As much as I love Starfox and would love for him to turn up, I don't think Andy would use him here until his storyline in SHE-HULK is resolved. But maybe, after that happens, Starfox could be involved if there is a post-Annhilation project....? Pretty please? :)
Here's the list of Titans given in the Nova Corps Files: Demeityr, Emlot, Eros (Starfox), Kazantra, Mentor, Shastra, Sui-San, Thanos, Thyrio, Tycho, Uranos.
Cthulhudrew
08-16-2006, 08:53 PM
Actually, he could be talking about Phyla. She is half-Titan after all, as well as half-Kree.
What about Mentor? IIRC, one of the storylines for the Giffen Thanos series that never came about was going to involve Thanos at Mentor's gravestone (there was a cover for it, and someone asked whose grave it was, and the response was Mentors. Was that here in this thread? I think it might have been Andy who said that. Either that or else Giffen or Brevoort.)
Joe Acro
08-18-2006, 08:16 AM
That would have been cool! I loved Starlin's Thanos but I gotta say Keith is keeping the dream alive!! His work on Thanos and on Annihilation have been outstanding!
Whose idea was it to change Thanos' costume? I didn't like it at first..but it has really grown on me and I like it a lot now!
Was the Annihilation storyline in preparation as the Thanos series was being written? It seems a lot of elements from the book have appeared in Annihilation!
It seems to me that he changed costumes (assuming you can what he's wearing a costume) because he is currently depowered. It's a more modest garment, making him look more like an intellectual than a powerhouse.
bd2999
08-18-2006, 09:33 AM
What of the Silver Surfer, he may be a hearld of Galatus now, but he was also connected with the Earth for sometime, wouldn't he sense that the Earth was in Danger a little?
He might, heck they might have tried to contact him but I think what he is dealing with is far worse than some mortal battle. One planet vs the universe. Sometimes you have to make the choice. I am just hoping that Surfer and Galactus are going to continue being in Annihilation after they got the beat down in issue one, but at the same time I dont know if Tenabrous and Aegis would just leave them there, probably would lock them away. Though I hope they return I want to see reactions to Surfer as the herald again. I am sure World Mind will love that.
It seems to me that he changed costumes (assuming you can what he's wearing a costume) because he is currently depowered. It's a more modest garment, making him look more like an intellectual than a powerhouse.
I dont think it was a loss of power because even with this costume he has done some big things. I just think it was originally due to a change of heart type thing. I don't think he is any less powerful than he was.
Expletive Deleted
08-18-2006, 09:40 AM
The Q&A thread has lost focus just a bit, so I split some of this stuff off.
The Deadpool
08-18-2006, 01:08 PM
On the whole question of Galactus taking down T&A in the past and losing now...
From what I managed to gather from Surfer 3, Galactus DIDN'T fight them alone. There were OTHER Elders, other beings like Tenebrous, like Aegis and like Galactus. Some were on T&A's side and believed in rewriting existance, others in Galactus' side. There was a big war among them, and they ALL died, except those three. They were too powerful for Galactus to kill, so he imprissoned them.
The implication I got was that someone in Galactus' side died helping Galactus bring them down, and Galactus just cleaned up the job...
Now a story about this ancient war between Galactus' level beings, back when Galactus was young and impetuous... Now that sounds like a fun story...
Cody H
08-19-2006, 04:22 PM
Will the Thanicopter make its much-desired reappearance?
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6200/img0055sz6egod7.jpgGotta love that reaction... "Drat!"
CyberCoyote
08-19-2006, 05:51 PM
Will the Thanicopter make its much-desired reappearance?
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6200/img0055sz6egod7.jpg
Sweet Mamma-Jamma! My first thought was that was from a Hostess Fruit Pies ad, but it can't be :)
That's like showing a dignified lawyer's college pic of trying to drop grapes into a bowl with his butt cheeks :) What book is that from?
Cthulhudrew
08-20-2006, 12:59 AM
Ha! It even says "Thanos" on the tail! Classic! (I guess he didn't want Pip mistaking it for the Trollicopter or something).
Tommy
08-20-2006, 12:28 PM
Sweet Mamma-Jamma! My first thought was that was from a Hostess Fruit Pies ad, but it can't be :)
That's like showing a dignified lawyer's college pic of trying to drop grapes into a bowl with his butt cheeks :) What book is that from?
Spidey Super Stories #39.
Joe Acro
08-21-2006, 09:20 AM
Shiar for example only seem to appear in the X-men books while the Kree are long-standing adversaries of the Avengers. However, when was the last time those two switched places? Have the FF ever interacted with Brood for example of even the Kree?
Actually, I think they have. I believe in the not-so-long-ago published X-Men/FF miniseries, the FF did indeed meet the Brood. However, since I can't seem to find that information in any Brood bio I find, that may have been OOC.
aniscape
08-21-2006, 11:08 AM
Actually, I think they have. I believe in the not-so-long-ago published X-Men/FF miniseries, the FF did indeed meet the Brood. However, since I can't seem to find that information in any Brood bio I find, that may have been OOC.
The Brood appear in the recent Hulk books. Ok only one of them but still that should count :)
Cosmic Book Fan
08-21-2006, 10:22 PM
I think the way Marvel is so compartmentalized these days is a shame. The X-verse seems to have a continuity of it's own, barely related to the rest of the MU. And the whole idea that certain characters/concepts 'belong' to on editorial department or another is frustrating. That especially goes for how certain alien races are matched with one group of heroes and rarely see any action elsewhere.
Joe Acro
08-22-2006, 06:55 AM
I think the way Marvel is so compartmentalized these days is a shame. The X-verse seems to have a continuity of it's own, barely related to the rest of the MU. And the whole idea that certain characters/concepts 'belong' to on editorial department or another is frustrating. That especially goes for how certain alien races are matched with one group of heroes and rarely see any action elsewhere.
You don't think it's just as bad in DC? Anyways, I do agree with you. The titles don't seem to mesh with each other in most cases. When we read contradictory information due to this, it's up the Handbook people to eventually sort it all out. And that shouldn't be their job.
Tommy
08-22-2006, 09:34 AM
I think the way Marvel is so compartmentalized these days is a shame. The X-verse seems to have a continuity of it's own, barely related to the rest of the MU. And the whole idea that certain characters/concepts 'belong' to on editorial department or another is frustrating. That especially goes for how certain alien races are matched with one group of heroes and rarely see any action elsewhere.
Well as far as the X-men go I think Chris Claremont had a lot to do with that. He has shown notorious possessiveness over those books, which I think lead to the mutants seemingly operating in their own little universe.
Cosmic Book Fan
08-22-2006, 09:22 PM
You don't think it's just as bad in DC?
3500+ comics in my collection
13 DC comics in my collection
Don't know.
Don't Care.
Mjolnir
08-23-2006, 04:29 AM
IT does to me too! I mean I loved it when Wendell had the Starbrand on his eye! Not only did it look cool but it served a function. It could pick up it's own energy trail and others as well as Wendell got used to it. But when he got his Q-Bands back he lost the Starbrand.
Correct me if I am wrong but with the power of infinity for Wendel to control throught the "jewels" of his Q-bands combined with the Strange powers of the Starbrand wouldn't it just make sense for him to protect the cosmos he would need both. Make Wendell really something to be triffled with!
So ... there you have it... as others have said as well. Wendell with Infinity's power and the starbrand (over his eye of course) would be kick ASS!!
on a scale from 1-10 what are the chances of this happenning?
Second that notion, that's a really good idea. Make him as powerful as he deserves to be. And he could look really cool if the starbrand flares up when he's furious...
Elegance Liberty
08-23-2006, 05:42 AM
The Brood appear in the recent Hulk books. Ok only one of them but still that should count :)
And according to Issue #2 of the 'Official Handbook to the Marvel Universe' (which has two of my favorite MU characters in it: Beta Ray Bill and Bruiser/Molly Hayes!), the Brood also recently appeared in 'Ms. Marvel'.
Which is kinda nice, considering the Brood DID start out as a Captain Marvel villain.
And this 2006 ver. of the Handbook *does* mention the FF encounter with the Brood as well.
BooCoo
08-23-2006, 06:21 AM
I dunno about the brand on his eye, it looked like mascara to me, kinda freaky weird. Or like a cat scratched him. Why cover up those pretty blues? I'd put it on his chest, dead center like the symbol on his costume. Doesn't even need to be visible, really. Maybe an aura manifestation when he powers up. ;) And have we lost focus or what? This isn't even a question!
Look at us, writing the book ourselves. :D
Expletive Deleted
08-23-2006, 07:11 AM
And have we lost focus or what? This isn't even a question!Funny how that works out, eh?
aniscape
08-23-2006, 09:04 AM
Second that notion, that's a really good idea. Make him as powerful as he deserves to be. And he could look really cool if the starbrand flares up when he's furious...
I started reading the Star Brand books last night... well the first 2 anyway... but it seems the ability to control the Star Brand is very similar to the Quantum Bands.
You have to keep concentration and not give in to fear or despair or the Brand will bail out on you. Where with the Q-bands they will consume you.
I am going to finish those books and see what else I can attain from it.
But either way if Wendell Comes back with the Quantum Bands or the Star Brand or Both :D I would not bat an eye.
Though the Star Brand seems a bit more Mysteries and could get some potential of really great stories because of it.
What if the Star Brand is the New Universes' version of the Quantum Bands?
That would make some sense to me. Make a deal with the Tribunal where Wendell keeps the Brand and the Q-bands go the the New Universe and Wendell can change his name to "Star Brand" and the balance is kept.
He could replace the emblem on his chest with the Star Brand and he could put it wherever. He could put it on his eye only when he heeds it and then move it someplace else ... like his hand or the side of his neck...
Aww man... the more I start thinking about it the more I want Wendell to be the new Star Brand!!! Crap!
See what your doing Andy!
The Deadpool
08-24-2006, 01:44 AM
There probably are as many Skrulls as humans living so I don't think we have to worry about losing our Skrull friends.
Doubtful. Despite having vast Empires, Marvel's alien races seem not to be that numerous. Consider that the Shi'ar (likely the largest alien empire right now, after the Kree and Skrull were mostly descimated) only number at roughly 60 billion. Sounds like a lot, but consider that a whole space empire numbers only ten times Earth...
The Kree number less than half a billion nowadays, although I see the Skrulls as more prolific than the Kree. Still, more than 2 billion is probably pushing it...
BeastieRunner
08-26-2006, 01:44 PM
Will Quasar be making an appearance in Marvel Ultimate Alliance? I gotta tell you if he is not I will not buy it but if he is I will wait in line for it!!
There's 100 characters in the game. If Wrecker is confirmed as a villian, they better have Quasar. I think he stands a good shot. He's had his own series so I will say, he'll be in it. He better be . . .
mlightner69
08-26-2006, 10:13 PM
Here is the latest that I see on the upcoming game and sadly Quasar isn't present in this particular Roll Call and apparently the developers weren't up to date as they deterined their villains or they would have known that K'lrt crossed over from that line. ;-)
Playable Characters
Blade, Black Panther
Captain America, Cyclops
Daredevil, Deadpool
Dr. Strange, Elektra
Ghost Rider,
Human Torch, Iceman
Invisible Woman, Iron Man
Luke Cage, Mr. Fantastic
Spider-Man, Spider-Woman
Storm, The Thing
Thor, Ms. Marvel
Wolverine
NP Heroes
Black Bolt, Black Widow
Bruce Banner, Corsair
Crystal, Dum Dum Dugan
Gorgon, Heimdall
Jean Grey, Karnak
Lilandra, Lockjaw
Namor, Nick Fury
Nightcrawler, Odin
Professor Xavier, Silver Surfer**
Triton, Uatu the Watcher
Villains
Arcade, Bullseye
Crimson Dynamo, Dark Phoenix
Deathbird, Dr. Doom
Dormammu, Empress S'ybll
Galactus, Loki
Mandarin, Mephisto
Radioactive Man, Rhino
Scorpion, Shocker
Super-Skrull, Titannus
Ultron, Winter Soldier
The Wrecking Crew
Heroes (Status Unknown)
Punisher*
Siryn*
According to the official Xbox website [2], players can add heroes such as Hulk and The Punisher to their in game teams.
Players who pre-order the game from EB Games or Gamestop will receive a Exclusive Bonus Code to unlock the Silver Surfer in game. Plus they will get VIP Access to www.marvelultimatealliance.com including first look access to behind-the-scenes videos, early character reveals, bonus developer blogs and more!
Dear Mr. Schmidt,
I just thought of something else on the lines of the Quasar angle. I remember reading somewhere that anyone who is unqualified to use the quantum bands would be destroyed by their power. Since Annihilus has stolen the bands, isn't it possible that the bands' power could harm Annihilus in some way, if not destroy him?
By the way, could you check out my campaign? (http://www.petitiononline.com/mrvl2099)
We've discussed this before too! The current speculation is that Annihilus' cosmic control rod which absorbs cosmic energy, is keeping the bands in check from consuming him.
jeffmace
08-31-2006, 09:46 PM
We've discussed this before too! The current speculation is that Annihilus' cosmic control rod which absorbs cosmic energy, is keeping the bands in check from consuming him.
If that's the case, wouldn't the best way to take down Annihilus be to destroy the control rod, if that's possible?
Well, it's also been mentioned that the best way to take down Annihilus would be to bludegeon the lil green bug to death, rather than energy attacks (Quasar, a master energy wielder was absorbed by the rod). However, my exposure to Annihilus has been nonexistent since before this series, but it would seem that yeah, if you take out the control rod, you take out Bug-Man.
I want Quasar back. I was down to two heroes keeping me relatively active in the Marvel U. Iron Man and Quasar. Iron Man in anything he appears in. Quasar in anything he appears in. :rolleyes:
At least Annihilation is a fantastic read, but I'll make no qualms about it... I'm reading it to see what becomes of Quasar (that and Andy's fantastic attitude has kept me motivated to buy the book).
BooCoo
09-01-2006, 08:01 AM
The problem with cosmic people is that they go overboard with elaborate attacks and powers. Sometimes the simple approach is best.
I'd walk right up to Annihulus with a giant can of RAID and spritz that sucker. :D
Joe Acro
09-01-2006, 08:51 AM
If that's the case, wouldn't the best way to take down Annihilus be to destroy the control rod, if that's possible?
Yes. If you either destroy or remove the Control Rod, Annihilus would become much weaker. Heck, his aging process might speed up rapidly due to the years of retardation.
The Deadpool
09-02-2006, 02:00 PM
I don't think purely physical approach would help THAT much.
Nova and Quasar flew it at pretty damned high speeds and Annihilus bakchanded them BOTH quite easily. Immense amount of kinetic energy not just absorbed by his wrist, but returned as well...
The physical approach may be more effective than the energy approach, but you're still going to need DAMNED good physical prowess... Unfortunately, Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill and Thor are occupied.
But throwing a big ass meteor at him at high speeds might work...
Sean Whitmore
09-03-2006, 09:45 PM
"Keep an eye out for this Grant Morrison created character. He and his cockroach DNA will be surfacing sometime soon in the Marvel U."
After just reading this quote from the Marvel Newsletter it seriously BEGS the question Andy if he will be seen gracing the pages of Annihilation soon? Has this little quip given us a little insight into the future? :confused:
He actually popped up elsewhere this week, but not in an Annihilation-related book. :)
SEAN
I didn't think much of the watchers because they don't really have any storytelling function, so I liked your answer at first.
You should read the Quasar v. 1 arc "Journey Into Mystery" for probably the most relevent Watcher story ever told.
brainfloat
09-05-2006, 07:15 AM
You should read the Quasar v. 1 arc "Journey Into Mystery" for probably the most relevent Watcher story ever told.
Yeah, the one about the watchers mysteriosly dying ... stories like that made Quasar cool. But I didn't intend to demean the watchers by saying they don't have much of a storytelling function, when placed in different contexts they can be really fun. But I'm talking about the basic context of the watchers in epic stories that do not focus on the watchers.
The Deadpool
09-05-2006, 10:04 PM
It got better.
Last I checked, the Watchers existed pretty much in the beginning of the universe, some 14 billion years ago...
Odds are their original homeworld was destroyed eons ago... And anyways, last I checked, no one lives in their current 'homeword'. They just use it as a meeting ground once in a while...
Mjolnir
09-06-2006, 02:40 AM
haha they could be evil watchers. fallen watchers.
"do-ers"
Joe Acro
09-06-2006, 08:58 AM
Blink after all hooked up with Annihilus for a while.... (Eww!)
She did? When?
Andy, I know the Super Skrull was killed within his mini. Are any of the other three mini characters going to be killed? How about a major supporting character like Gamora or Drax?
Arilou
09-06-2006, 09:21 AM
She did? When?
Andy, I know the Super Skrull was killed within his mini. Are any of the other three mini characters going to be killed? How about a major supporting character like Gamora or Drax?
The Blink mini that tied directly into Exiles.
brainfloat
09-06-2006, 12:25 PM
Seriously, ANNIHILATION is so big that we had to cut an entire sub-plot out and find some other place to do it. So, there just isn't enough room to spend a couple of pages on a Watcher pontificating--we've got worlds to destroy here!!!
I have alot of respect for your work as an editor, and so far this is becoming one of my favorite cosmic stories.
But, The watcher is a symbol that is needed in all marvel epics. Civil War uses the Watcher in only one panel. It doesn't drive the plot, it doesn't need to pontificate towards the reader. The watcher only needs to appear because it is a symbol of epic proportions.
Excluding the Watcher from the type of story that Annhilation is is a drastic choice, and has meaning because it is a symbol that has always appeared. It's like taking the S away from Superman.
Otherwise, great job!
The Deadpool
09-06-2006, 02:10 PM
But, The watcher is a symbol that is needed in all marvel epics. Civil War uses the Watcher in only one panel. It doesn't drive the plot, it doesn't need to pontificate towards the reader. The watcher only needs to appear because it is a symbol of epic proportions.
Not it isn't... Uatu pops up once in a while, but not because the story is EPIC. He pops up because Uatu is a meddling little prick of a Watcher.
Uatu can watch every single event in EVERY Earth from his little seat at the Moon. He swings by Earth once in a while cuz that's what Uatu does. The other Watchers don't do that... Hell, they put him on trial for it before...
Uatu generally pops up when he's meddling, or when he's just plain bored (like in Onslaught, he was just chatting with En Sabah Nur), not because the even is major. Watchers work best when you need an omniscient (or close enough) narrator...
Captain Exaggeration
09-06-2006, 04:03 PM
haha they could be evil watchers. fallen watchers.
"do-ers"
Or Dark Watchers. Dark always seems to be the traditional name.
Oh Quasar :D
brainfloat
09-06-2006, 05:08 PM
No it isn't... Uatu pops up once in a while, but not because the story is EPIC. He pops up because Uatu is a meddling little prick of a Watcher.
Good answer. And if we are just talking about Uatu, he's busy observing Earth. I still interperate Watchers as a symbol, and any watcher will do. But this will turn into endless debate because none of this stuff is written in stone.
All I really care about is expressing to Andy how I feel about it, and I thought it could strengthen his work ... and now I think he has a good argument here to help him polish up the comics before they go to print.
The Deadpool
09-06-2006, 05:13 PM
*shrug*
Just saying... Uatu is a weird Watcher.
I've considered the Watcher thing (why is Uatu worried with Civil War while Annihilation is going down? He should at least be watching Cammi, Richard and Wendell... Probably Moondragon and Drax too) but, personally, I feel I'd rather see what the Watchers do AFTERWARDS. I mean, with all the planets being blown up, a lot of Watchers are kind of out of things to Watch...
Ways I figure Watching the small, dwindling remnants of the Skrull empire is far too simple and small (and boring) a job for the experienced Watchers... Probably give it to some two million year old kid or something...
That's how I saw it anywyas...
TCJohnson
09-06-2006, 07:34 PM
Excluding the Watcher from the type of story that Annhilation is is a drastic choice, and has meaning because it is a symbol that has always appeared. It's like taking the S away from Superman.
They should have a kid version spin off. Instead of Where's Waldo, Watcher Watch.
The Deadpool
09-06-2006, 07:45 PM
Oh.
I was joking.
:D
Oh, Achebe style? "I've been dead. I got over it." Sorry. I've been doing some research on Watchers rescently and all the info is still fresh in my mind and whatnot... You know how it is...
The Deadpool
09-06-2006, 09:26 PM
I remember mention that none of the abstracts, and certainly nothing beyond Galactus and Annihilus, would be popping up in this story...
Kyle_Ion
09-06-2006, 09:31 PM
well I would think that if Annihilus and is Annihilation wave continued and no one could stop him and the wave and it continued to spread across the universe, if he does that then the Living Tribunal would show up cause that would consider being very bad for the universe. Since he won't show up, I can alway hope that the Living Tribunal would show up in the future sometime.
brainfloat
09-06-2006, 09:41 PM
I agree with what you are saying about Utau, Deadpool. I am on a different wave length though ... I'm probably reading to much into comics. I am thinking of them more like hieroglyphics (and I propably sound cryptic now too).
Maybe this will break it down, in the words of Dr. Strange ,"His name is the watcher, he only appears to record moments of great change and enormous upheaval." (Civil War 1) Unless watchers are already being retconned since Civil War 1 or just being ignored for no good reason other than page count, the absence of the watcher still tells me something is very wrong in the galaxies effected by the annhilation wave and it must be ansewerd or this series will be incomplete.
Joe Acro
09-07-2006, 06:29 AM
well I would think that if Annihilus and is Annihilation wave continued and no one could stop him and the wave and it continued to spread across the universe, if he does that then the Living Tribunal would show up cause that would consider being very bad for the universe. Since he won't show up, I can alway hope that the Living Tribunal would show up in the future sometime.
Actually, I think the Tribunal only appears when something threatens the very fabric of reality. If he shows up anywhere, it'll be to punish Wanda.
The Deadpool
09-07-2006, 09:37 AM
Maybe this will break it down, in the words of Dr. Strange ,"His name is the watcher, he only appears to record moments of great change and enormous upheaval." (Civil War 1)
That's the thing, that line is a fallacy. Uatu records EVERY moment that happens on Earth at all times... Without having to leave the Moon.
Uatu pops up once in a while cuz he's a weirdo. Generally to either meddle, or just to hang out with people (i.e. serve as an exposition tool).
Other Watchers frown upon that practice, and even put Uatu on trial for it...
brainfloat
09-07-2006, 10:32 AM
Noooooooo! Dr. Strange never lies!!!!!:D
Will.S
09-14-2006, 09:00 PM
Well, since this won't spoil anything...
Ronan versus (a living) Super Skrull, Andy. Who wins?
SEAN
He better not say "The readers!".
Sean Whitmore
09-14-2006, 09:05 PM
He better not say "The readers!".
That's why I stuck "living" in there, to prevent this response:
"Ronan would win easily, seeing as how Super Skrull is dead." :D
SEAN
Will.S
09-14-2006, 09:12 PM
That's why I stuck "living" in there, to prevent this response:
"Ronan would win easily, seeing as how Super Skrull is dead." :D
SEAN
Ah yes, that's another one.
The Deadpool
09-15-2006, 08:06 AM
Wow...this is a surprise. I wish there were a few more candidates in there because I really like all of these characters.
Well, we know Nova is safe (got an ongoing coming up), we can pretty much assume Surfer is too... So Ronan, Drax or Gamora. My money is on Ronan or Drax...
TCJohnson
09-15-2006, 08:35 AM
From what Andy has stated in his most recent responses it looks like Richard will be the one getting the Axe. Does this mean that Cammi will be the new Nova? I would like to see that as much as a hole in my head but the possibility is there.
Nah, the writer of Nova confirmed that Richard Rider will be surviving.
... Unless it's Frankie Raye, former herald of Galactus and Johnny Storm's ex-girlfriend that we're talking about here…
"Not sure how to answer that question without spoiling some of the Annihilation stuff. No, it's not Frankie Raye. It's a Nova Corps Nova Centurion we're focusing on, but it may or may not be Rich. Oh, all right, it's Rich," Dan Abnett told Newsarama.
Obviously Abnett is not as decietful or as coniving as Schmidt is. Guess that is why Schmidt is editor ;)
aniscape
09-15-2006, 08:40 AM
Nah, the writer of Nova confirmed that Richard Rider will be surviving.
Obviously Abnett is not as decietful or as coniving as Schmidt is. Guess that is why Schmidt is editor ;)
I don't know... that could just be him leading us astray... why give out such a potentially vital point to the Ending of Annihilation especially after the Cover to Annihilation #4 came out. If it is Rich wouldn't they want you to anguish at least for a little bit contemplating on what leads to that cover?
The Deadpool
09-15-2006, 11:36 AM
From what Andy has stated in his most recent responses it looks like Richard will be the one getting the Axe. Does this mean that Cammi will be the new Nova? I would like to see that as much as a hole in my head but the possibility is there.
Nice as Andy is, he's shown himself more than capable of fidgeting the truth to protect plot points.
Hell, I daresay he's lied a handful of times.
I highly doubt Richard dies in Annihilation. I'm betting on Ronan myself, but that's just me...
Captain Exaggeration
09-15-2006, 02:10 PM
If/when the Annihilation Wave is defeated.... Can you make a "What if Annihilus Annihilated Earth?" What-If one shot?
That would rock :p
That would rule! :D
Cthulhudrew
09-15-2006, 06:34 PM
Well, we know Nova is safe (got an ongoing coming up), we can pretty much assume Surfer is too... So Ronan, Drax or Gamora. My money is on Ronan or Drax...
Andy Schmidt on the Silver Surfer:
2. There will probably be a discussion, but who knows. The way he ends up at the end of ANNIHILATION would make an ongoing series a very difficult thing for him.
I don't think it will happen, but it could be Surfer's death coming down the pike.
JuggernautRM
10-14-2006, 05:08 PM
If hes gots bugs, hes taken over.
The Deadpool
10-14-2006, 07:36 PM
If hes gots bugs, hes taken over.
He didn't have bugs. Which made us wonder if we just hadn't seen bugs for some strange reason, or if he just acted like the self surving bastard he is and sold out to the guy who killed his whole race.
Arilou
10-15-2006, 07:01 AM
Just had a thought about Paibok, is there anyway, in the confusion he used his skrull powers to make himself look like the Super Skrull (Kl'rt) to infiltrate and sabatoge the United Front?
This might be a silly idea as 'the War' is already lost so maybe there would be no point. Also to clarify I hope this is not the case as I love that Kl'rt is back and I would love to see a showdown between him and Paibok!!
Also I mentioned before - do any of you guys think that after House Fieryo(sp?) has been taken down (if it does) that Super Skrull may betray Ronan thus leading to them having a throwdown?
The irony of that would be extreme.
"IT's a skrull!" is almost as old as an excuse as "A wizard did it!" after all.
To use "It's a Skrull" on the Super-Skrull would be amazing :p
TheMadTitan
10-15-2006, 10:54 AM
The irony of that would be extreme.
"IT's a skrull!" is almost as old as an excuse as "A wizard did it!" after all.
To use "It's a Skrull" on the Super-Skrull would be amazing :p
lol yeh I know it is an old excuse!! I hope its not Paibok but where did he go? He doesn't even get a mention in the intro to the mag, but Terrax and Delinquent do??:confused: :)
Brother Zag
10-15-2006, 01:31 PM
Does the Civil War tie-in one-shot THE RETURN have anything to do with Annihilation?
Just curious.
I'm thinking it's Mar-Vell coming back, E.D., lookit that star:
http://www.glow-in-the-dark-radio.com/mcreturn.jpg
I resurrected (er, sorry) my old thread in celebration...
I hope this isn't a spoiler for the end of Annihilation....
Expletive Deleted
10-15-2006, 01:53 PM
I'm thinking it's Mar-Vell coming back, E.D., lookit that starI think so, too. I'm just asking because that logo could also conceivably apply to Nova or Quasar.
Cthulhudrew
10-15-2006, 04:26 PM
I think so, too. I'm just asking because that logo could also conceivably apply to Nova or Quasar.
Or Pulsar/Photon/Captain Marvel/Monica Rambeau. Her original CM costume used a similar star on it, as I recall (though I'm not certain if it was yellow/gold or not).
Expletive Deleted
10-15-2006, 04:27 PM
True.
She doesn't really have anything to "return" from, though.
Cthulhudrew
10-15-2006, 04:30 PM
She doesn't really have anything to "return" from, though.
Unless it's a "return" to the title of Captain Marvel.
But you're probably right, it's likely not her.
Satyrquaze
10-23-2006, 10:47 PM
So . . . don't go all "Quasar Fans" on us, here.
Wait... Quasar has fans??
Expletive Deleted
10-23-2006, 10:49 PM
Wait... Quasar has fans??That's the word on the street.
Mysterio's Helmet
10-23-2006, 11:01 PM
That's an insult to all us "Quasar Fans".:rolleyes:
C'mon people. Please. Rich is staying with us. New title and all. Hello?
BeastieRunner
10-23-2006, 11:59 PM
I'm gonna be very sad if they kill the Silver Surfer. Even if he comes back later, he doesn't deserve to die. He basically did "die" when he gave up a normal life to save his home planet. And that did a lot of good . . . :(
Cthulhudrew
11-02-2006, 08:01 PM
Don't know if this has been asked before, but are there any plans in the works for an 'Origins' type series for Galactus? One specifically focusing on his previous life as Galan, and a detailed account of his transformation to Galactus? I think it'd be a GREAT read. So far we've only seen a few panels of his life as Galan...and that only in his final days. I'd be interested in learning more about his life, before his universe ended.
That sounds like a cool idea- I'd love to see something like that (an exploration of the pre-MU-verse via the character of Galactus).
Lord S
11-03-2006, 09:42 AM
Not sure about Galan's life at the end of the universe, but Galactus' first few centuries with the other proemial beings and their subsequent war would make a HELL of a mini... Yeah that's a great idea, too...especially his dealings with T&A. I think Andy said, earlier, that there would be something with them later on...
Quasar's Bands
11-03-2006, 12:57 PM
Well, one of the first things you say when you come back is Wendell is dead and he won't be coming back in ANNHILATION...that makes me sad.
So I wasn't sure if it was good to have you back or not :D
Want to make me happy? All you have to do is bring Wendell back as Quasar. Simple really. Of course I don't want you to tell me but I would love to read it in future issues of Annhilation or the Quasar Mini.
No one else should be using the name Quasar besides Wendell. Make me and a ton of other Wendell fans very happy Andy... you know you want to.
Hope you enjoyed your break and looking forward to Wendell in 616 and in Ultimate Power. Really interested in that!
You know I have to back my boy up! Wendell Forever!
You know, even if it ain't Wendell now. Even if the new Quasar is (shudder) a Kree or other nonhuman and the miniseries is (unfortunately) about the new Kree hero defending his people - that won't stay popular for long, and someone will tap into the Quasar-fan base and bring Wendell back - it just might take awhile. Chin up, l'il slugger - he'll be back someday. That's the beauty of comic books. :)
The Deadpool
11-04-2006, 04:20 PM
Phoenix thing is complicated. Phoenix has been said to be in charge of destroying and restarting universes, and since Galactus is sort of the merger and child of Galan and the former universe incumbated at the moment of its death and our universe's rebirth, then Phoenix was at least in the viscinity.
And Galactus has always fed himself the same way Surfer did WAY back in his first appearance in FF, only in a grander scale: Transforming matter into energy and absorbing the energy. Secret Wars revealed that Galactus doesn't NEED his machinery to do it, but prefers to use because it makes the feeding more effecient. Remember the Galan does not like to destroy worlds, he does it out of need.
That said, the early days of Galactus seems like an astonishingly cool place for a mini series. We'd HAVE to have Skreet around (hey, maybe she hid in Taa II...), and a look at Galactus' REAL first Herald, his first feeding, and whatever the hell made half the Elders of the Universe turn from serving creation to trying to remake it... Or, for a real twist it wasn't Tenebrous and Aegis who rebelled, it was GALACTUS and his ilk. Maybe they were MEANT to remake everything and Galactus just thought it was the wrong thing to do (him being mortal back in the days). Maybe... Maybe...
Maybe it'd just be a kickass mini...
Joe Acro
11-04-2006, 11:54 PM
There had to have been an actual story involving the Phoenix somewhere. Because I found a pretty comprehensive story. Here's an except from the history I'm writing (it may not be entirely accurate):
The Dweller-in-Darkness of that universe fractured the M'Kraan Crystal (The Nexus of All Realities) in order to cause the destruction of the universe and feast on the many peoples' related fears. The Phoenix Force, a universal force of life, used telepathy to reach all the minds of the universe and unite them in peace, denying the Dweller his feast and, thus, foiling his plan.
And then I later explain that the essence of the old universe actually saved Galan, per the original story.
EDIT: I just did some checking and Phoenix confronts Galactus in Excalibur #61. Perhaps answers can be found there.
Leunames
11-11-2006, 04:25 AM
Part Question and Part Statement for you Andy.
This is the first time I have felt the urge to post in this thread. To start off when I first started reading you annihilation mini's I was impressed, but not astounded. They seemed average at best. But that all changed in one issue for me...
When the Silver Surfer got his true power back I was like, "WOW!!!".
That is exactly what I had been hoping would happen for years. It was like you read my mind... and things only started to get better. Each month I couldn't wait for the subsequent releasing of the mini's. Unlike many comics that build, adn build AND build ---> but fail to deliver, The Annihilation mini's were not only delivering the goods, but breaking new ground.
Then the Actual Annihilation Series came out.
And things have went completely downhill. FIrst we have a major character, Galactus, getting taken out in a couple panels.
Disgusting.
Then we have an introduction to a whole slew of new bad guys that appear for only 30 seconds.
So X-Men.
Now we have the toughest MoFo in Marvel Kingdom getting Killed by his heart getting torn out (YEAH RIGHT???), when Marvel is simultaneously releasing a comic called the eternals that explains that they (eternals) cannot be killed short of total molecular dispersion.
STUPID!
You and your crew have totally fallen prey to the fact that you are trying to pack too much into too little. And it is GREATLY hurting your book. More explanation and detail is needed for the huge things you are doing. You cannot have characters as big as Galactus and as Tough as thanos going down in one measly page.
It is pathetic.
Reminds me of so many other series but particulary thor stories, where Thor would be involved in a great storyline with an unbeatable foe. And he would struggle and the tension would build, but then it would all end so pathetically...
Usually with one unbelievable and unrealistic strike of the hammer (Perrikus, Desak).
This is no different.
I could state a hundred things, why didn't skreet (who could take out the fallen one) attack Drax. How could losing his heart hurt thanos (Eternals Don't die from such things)? Is Drax more powerful than Odin (I know Chronos shouldn't be and he created him)?
But the only thing I want to ask is...
Are you going to have a decent ending or is thor going to just plunk someone on the head with his hammer once. Because the story is really reaching now and it looks like only a miracle is going to save it.
-Joe Cool
PS I am sorry for such a negative post, but this story had me going in the mini's. I am talking like Infinity Gauntlet (not the subsequent trash), Killing Joke, Lim on Surfer going. And now things have just went awry. I reallly hope that somehow you can save this trainwreck.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but dude to call someone's professional work "stupid" and "pathetic" openly and directly is lacking any sort of class or critique for that matter. The point I'm raising has nothing to do with comics, but honestly why are you so disparaging in your post? You're not being negative, you're being insulting. Now I'm not defending anyone or what not but if you're going to voice criticism over something then DO NOT do it in such a disparaging manner as calling a piece of work by demeaning names. I respect that you don't like the way the comic is going, fine. But a lot of us are happy with it and if you call the work "stupid" and "pathetic" then you are also indirectly calling the rest of us who do enjoy it thoroughly "stupid" and "pathetic." Obviously that's not your intention but the point is don't put down a work by insulting it just because you don't like it. And really if it bothers you that much, then why the hell are you still reading? The last intention any creator of any work would want is to cause ire and displeasure in their customers simply because the customers buy their products. You can't please all the people all the time, but at least people try, and to call such efforts stupid and pathetic, that's just so thoroughly disgusting.
Arilou
11-11-2006, 06:22 AM
That said, I think he does have a point: The Annihilation mini itself feels very much rushed. (That is kind of a part of it. The character minis had more time for well, character and explanation, the frantic pace of the Annihilation mini is more or less neccessary if they are going to finish the story in 6 issues)
It does leave a lot of moments that make one go "WTF!?" and that can't be stated explicitly in-comics: Usually it seems Andy & Keith have figured it out, they know what they are doing, but they just don't have the time/space to get it out on-page.
That is something of a conundrum.
And if I had to do a technobabble explanation I'd say this: The Eternals can survive becuase of their "aura" reconstructs themselves even if their bodies are destroyed (cue Thanos discussion on the Power Cosmic earlier) Drax's new powers somehow "disrupts" Thanos Aura, meaning that he can't restructure himself.
Elegance Liberty
11-11-2006, 06:58 AM
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but dude to call someone's professional work "stupid" and "pathetic" openly and directly is lacking any sort of class or critique for that matter. The point I'm raising has nothing to do with comics, but honestly why are you so disparaging in your post? You're not being negative, you're being insulting. Now I'm not defending anyone or what not but if you're going to voice criticism over something then DO NOT do it in such a disparaging manner as calling a piece of work by demeaning names. I respect that you don't like the way the comic is going, fine. But a lot of us are happy with it and if you call the work "stupid" and "pathetic" then you are also indirectly calling the rest of us who do enjoy it thoroughly "stupid" and "pathetic." Obviously that's not your intention but the point is don't put down a work by insulting it just because you don't like it. And really if it bothers you that much, then why the hell are you still reading? The last intention any creator of any work would want is to cause ire and displeasure in their customers simply because the customers buy their products. You can't please all the people all the time, but at least people try, and to call such efforts stupid and pathetic, that's just so thoroughly disgusting.
Yeah. I tend to NOT take anyone who uses 'stupid' and 'pathetic' in a counter-argument seriously. There ARE other less-than-favorable words to use in order to convey your opinion without resorting to 2nd grade language and/or profanity, after all.
Having said that, I do see your points on several levels. Galactus especially. It was a little strange to see him go down so quickly. Although for all we know, he could have been fighting Tenebrous and Aegis for a long while. They simply didn't have the time and/or space to show it.
As for Thanos, it was a shock, but I felt it was fairly well done, if a bit... random.
I'm not berating you for having an opinion -heck, I have a few choice words about many things m'self- But I'm in agreement with Leunames up there. If it bothers you so much, why do you spend the $3.00+tax on it? If I was displeased with something after the 3rd issue (I take a '3 strikes and out' handle on comics), I'd drop it faster than a bad habit.
Then again, I guess some people just like having an excuse to complain about things. j/k!!!
The Deadpool
11-11-2006, 10:17 AM
Not another Odin commment... Odin beat the snot out Thanos. Thanos could barely stand, Odin wasn't even winded and he wasn't trying to kill Thanos... You don't have to surpass Odin to take down Thanos.
All Drax has to do in this case is have a manner to disable Thanos' regeneration. Considering WHAT he was created to do, and by whom, not THAT hard to imagine.
TheMadTitan
11-11-2006, 10:59 AM
Not another Odin commment... Odin beat the snot out Thanos. Thanos could barely stand, Odin wasn't even winded and he wasn't trying to kill Thanos... You don't have to surpass Odin to take down Thanos.
All Drax has to do in this case is have a manner to disable Thanos' regeneration. Considering WHAT he was created to do, and by whom, not THAT hard to imagine.
I completely agree with you in terms of Drax, Odin did ruin Thanos, but remember he was in Asgard (at his most powerful) and he used an enchanted weapon. Im not saying Thanos could beat him, I think nowdays if Odin were about it would be a good fight, although in Asgard Odin would own pretty much anybody.
In relation to Drax I am not looking at it as a 'silver bullet' I am looking at it as a wooden stake to a vampire. Ok heres why, Catch a vampire off guard, pre-occupied and drive a stake through his heart, he's dead. But on the other hand look how easily a VAmpire could crush a wooden stake in to splinters. Thats Thanos and Drax for me :)
^o^CORVUS^o^
11-12-2006, 01:56 AM
Not another Odin commment... Odin beat the snot out Thanos. Thanos could barely stand, Odin wasn't even winded and he wasn't trying to kill Thanos... You don't have to surpass Odin to take down Thanos.
Don't disrespect. Odin was shocked that Thanos was alive at all, much less able to stand.
Also, let us not forget that Thanos is a Titan, and NOT a full-blooded cosmic Eternal. What applies to them doesn't neccessarily apply to him.
Baltho08
11-12-2006, 02:51 PM
I thought Super Skrull's resurrection was kind of explained in the issue where he came back, and it was stated, the combination of the Power Cosmic and the Essence (the opposing force), the two powers unleashed when Firelord and Ravenous fought, gave him back his life.
Peace.
Enigmanaut
11-12-2006, 04:06 PM
I thought Super Skrull's resurrection was kind of explained in the issue where he came back, and it was stated, the combination of the Power Cosmic and the Essence (the opposing force), the two powers unleashed when Firelord and Ravenous fought, gave him back his life.
Peace.
Or it's Paibok pretending to be Super Skrull. Just a theory.
TheMadTitan
11-12-2006, 05:01 PM
Or it's Paibok pretending to be Super Skrull. Just a theory.
I originally thought that, but i'm still not sure! I guess we may find out next issue??
I thought Super Skrull's resurrection was kind of explained in the issue where he came back, and it was stated, the combination of the Power Cosmic and the Essence (the opposing force), the two powers unleashed when Firelord and Ravenous fought, gave him back his life.
Peace.
Maybe Thanos already knew this was the likely result of a meeting of the PC and OF and can some how use it to his advantage, (resurrect himself) maybe he asked Annihilus' for access to the opposing force.
The Deadpool
11-13-2006, 01:05 PM
Don't disrespect. Odin was shocked that Thanos was alive at all, much less able to stand.
Well, yeah. If I hit a child in the head with a hammer and he gets up, I'd be surprised as hell... Still doesn't mean he put up a fight.
Odin manhandled Thanos. He was just shocked Thanos kept coming for more after all that abuse... There wasn't really any doubt on who won THAT fight.
^o^CORVUS^o^
11-13-2006, 01:32 PM
Well, yeah. If I hit a child in the head with a hammer and he gets up, I'd be surprised as hell... Still doesn't mean he put up a fight.
Odin manhandled Thanos. He was just shocked Thanos kept coming for more after all that abuse... There wasn't really any doubt on who won THAT fight.
Nobody is making the argument that Thanos won the fight. Odin directly commented that he was shocked by the Titan's toughness. When he realized he was actually up against someone who could put up a fight, he summoned forth Gungnir and then used that.
You can brush it aside all you like, but the fact remains that Thanos withstood Odin's assaults in Asgard itself, where most foes would have been humiliated or slain outright. The fight was intended to set the benchmark for Thanos' durability, which it did.
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