Hellsing ova 1 and 2

[K.O.V.G]

Who has seen them they were both good I can't wait for part three they portratyed all the characters much better this time around and the animation is just breath taking I love it if you haven't seen them you need to the anime was horrible compared to this Geneon got it right this time around.

[The Real Nemo]

I've only seen the first one. I actually liked the way the first two eps were handled in the first anime better than how they were done here even if it was truer to the manga (and the OAV kept that stupid "only virgins can become vampires" rule from the manga that they were smart enough to take out in the first anime). I will say the fight with Anderson in the third ep was much better in the OAV/manga version though...

[K.O.V.G]

Well in my onpinion the ova is way better I gave my anime of hellsing away i'm gonna just buy the ovas and they more truer to the manga just how anime should be.

[The Real Nemo]

Well in my onpinion the ova is way better I gave my anime of hellsing away i'm gonna just buy the ovas and they more truer to the manga just how anime should be.
Truer to the manga doesn't *always* mean better. The original Hellsing manga is good, but the weird mix of comedy and uber-violence actually got on my nerves a bit. I liked that they made the first anime a bit more serious.

[Sean Miller]

I have mixed feelings on the OVA series. On one hand, it has some amazing scenes, most notably the fights. (Luke’s superspeed? Awesome)
But on the other hand, I despise the chibi/non serious parts of it.
I'd rate it slightly above the old anime series, but not by much.

[Chevan]

I'm absolutely loving the OVA's. I'm a big fan of the manga series, so having the OVA be basically the manga series animated is perfect for me.

The Alucard/Luke fight especially. Seeing Alucard unsealed and animated as well as it was made it worth the wait.

The TV series had its merits, but they lost a lot of points with the ever-changing art direction and the way they went off on a complete tangent instead of waiting for the manga to catch up.

I know it wouldn't fit at all, but sometimes I wish they'd kept the TV series's opening song.

[Guts/Batman]

I haven't seen them yet.

I must get on it...

[Inkthinker]

I highly impressed that the animation style so closely matches the manga, as well as the way the story does the same. It's damn nearly a panel-for-panel translation, and it works brilliantly.

[The Xenos]

Don't worry about the humor and super deformed characters. As the story goes on and gets more intense, it happens in the manga less and less. I think it sticks out more in anime than it does in manga in general, but I didn't mind it too much. Then again, I know later on they pretty much stop doing it.

Though I do want to see Alucard's dream when he talks to the spirit of his gun, The Jackal. I think you know what I'm talking about, Willis.

[K.O.V.G]

Truer to the manga doesn't *always* mean better. The original Hellsing manga is good, but the weird mix of comedy and uber-violence actually got on my nerves a bit. I liked that they made the first anime a bit more serious.

the anime was horrible in my opinion I threw my anime out the ova are way better but everybody has there opinions.

[The Xenos]

Well, I don't think you should go so far as throwing it out. It was nice, but clearly these new OAVs will be much better. Sure, the series is gonna be longer (thankfully) and cost more per ep, but the production quality is much better so I think it's worth it.

[Chevan]

the anime was horrible in my opinion I threw my anime out the ova are way better but everybody has there opinions.

I would have kept it for the soundtrack.

Well, I would have kept it up to the point where it splits off from the manga.

[The Real Nemo]

I would have kept it for the soundtrack.

Well, I would have kept it up to the point where it splits off from the manga.
*shrugs* The fight with Incognito at least was pretty cool I thought...

[The Xenos]

The soundtrack was awesome, but I totally understand why they wanted more classical music and not rock. At Otakon, someone asked Hirano and the director why the soundtrack was different. They said they wanted it to be more of a score and seem less like a rock music video. As cool as the music was, I can udnerstand why they'd want that.

[Chevan]

*shrugs* The fight with Incognito at least was pretty cool I thought...

Yeah, the Incognito fight was decent. The lead-up to it, not so much.

[The Xenos]

The lead up indeed. Like many anime, Hellsing seemed dragged out. 'Decompressed' is the popular term. Some say it's the style of anime. I think it's just the animators being cheap and lazy. (Well, except in Eva. In Eva is art and style to have two characters silent in an evevator for three minutes. It's art dammit!)

I really like that the OVA is moving at a brisker pace.

[Paploo the Ewok]

Given it's already licensed, as Geneon's coproducing it, no one should of seen it yet :) But I know folks don't bother with that sometimes.....

Anyhoo, http://www.animeondvd.com should have news on the first OVA somewhere.
OVA 2 hasn't been released yet, and after waiting for a good while, Geneon's opting to release the Hellsing Ultimate OVA as single episode discs so they can release it with less wait time between volumes. So it looks like we'll be getting a concurrent release once things get rolling, although the US version will of course be cheaper.

[OverMaster]

How many parts there are going to be?

[Paploo the Ewok]

How many parts there are going to be?


Apparently, the plan is to keep going until it's popularity dies down [which is the case for most OVA's]. http://animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=6511 There's a pretty good summary of the then early plans for the series on ANN. Mind you, the first
episode ended up being 50 minutes long, so even though Geneon's going with one episode/disc, it's still a fair amount of content. I imagine subsequent releases will be a similar length, rather then the inital 35 minutes plan.

http://animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=5114&page=28 Here's a summary of the official releases so far- Geneon USA's is scheduled for December of 2006, so not too long of a wait.

[The Xenos]

Given it's already licensed, as Geneon's coproducing it, no one should of seen it yet :) But I know folks don't bother with that sometimes.....

Hey. I waited in that s----y s----y line at this summer's Otakon to see the damn first ep. There was a damn near riot and piss poor crowd control. I damn well should have seen it. Plus we got to see the dub.

Actually, I even saw some of the second ep in Japanese at the con. After hours waiting for a Hirano autograph that never happened, there was his panel in which they showed some of ep 2. Then at the late night Geneon panel they showed some, but it really wasn't worth staying up. I also saw the original Japanese trailer with the song 'Broken English'. Sadly, they couldn't get the rights for the song just for the trailer in the US.

Of coruse, if I'd seen the first ep with subtitles at an ealier time.. well.. I'ma not gonna say nuttin. Though I do know I definately want to get the first DVD the day it's out

[Chevan]

Given it's already licensed, as Geneon's coproducing it, no one should of seen it yet :) But I know folks don't bother with that sometimes.....


Well, ya know, if someone uploads it to Youtube I'm not going to argue.

Which they have. :P

[Len Ikari145]

I just hope the original cast for the English version return when the OVA gets released. Crispin Freeman x Alucard = The Badass!:D

[Chevan]

I just hope the original cast for the English version return when the OVA gets released. Crispin Freeman x Alucard = The Badass!:D

Already been confirmed.

[Drew Van T.]

Well, ya know, if someone uploads it to Youtube I'm not going to argue.

Too bad for YouTube that Hellsing is a "dark" anime - literally. Lots of dark colours and shades means little contrast between them, making pixellation that much worse than normal. It's like watching an army of little black marching squares...

[The Xenos]

I don't get why people want to watch anime eps on You Tube. The quality is just crap. Even fasubs are crystal clear compared to that.

Of course, nothing beats having the DVD. Or sitting at a con premeire with a giant screen in front of you.

[OverMaster]

I don't get why people want to watch anime eps on You Tube. The quality is just crap. Even fasubs are crystal clear compared to that.

Of course, nothing beats having the DVD. Or sitting at a con premeire with a giant screen in front of you.

Of course, some of us live in places where Cons are faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from being that good, and the US anime distributors don't bother to branch out.

[Chevan]

I don't get why people want to watch anime eps on You Tube. The quality is just crap. Even fasubs are crystal clear compared to that.

Of course, nothing beats having the DVD. Or sitting at a con premeire with a giant screen in front of you.

Yeah, they're crap.

But if you don't have the DVD or a con within reasonable distance (like me), and you really don't care to have licensed anime sitting in your harddrive (again, like me), Youtube is a godsend.

[The Xenos]

I gotcha. Though I don't see how watching on You Tube is really much different than having it on your HD and then deleting it. Actaully, I would think You Tube is easier to track and take down. Peer to peer file sharing and even bit torrent I would think is harder to find and track due to it not being all on one site. Finding the fansub, while not a lesser evil, certainly seems safer.

[Chevan]

I gotcha. Though I don't see how watching on You Tube is really much different than having it on your HD and then deleting it. Actaully, I would think You Tube is easier to track and take down. Peer to peer file sharing and even bit torrent I would think is harder to find and track due to it not being all on one site. Finding the fansub, while not a lesser evil, certainly seems safer.

You're probably right - BitTorrent would be much safer in the long run. But there's something about Youtube that seems safer.

I mean, yeah, you're still putting yourself on Youtube's IP log, and I wouldn't be surprised if they kept track of that kind of stuff in case a licensing company needs the info. But streaming content from Youtube's servers instead of downloading a torrent file from a tracker seems safer, regardless of whether it actually is.

[Drew Van T.]

I don't care much for the style of drawing they used for this. The heavy strokes are annoying in the close-ups, it's almost the effect of a flash-based movie (which in turn makes it look cheap). Especially in the comedy scenes, characters look like they jumped straight out of the artist's sketch-book. The facial expressions are often poorly-matched with the Japanese voices.

Nor is this a classical score: there are electric guitars and electronic beats. What this is, is a kind of rock/techno score just like the TV series had. Only a less original, much more standard-issue rock/techno score.

I know nothing of the production background here, but all in all, this feels like an anime made in America, primarily for the American market. Lots of things that grate on me that weren't present in the TV series.

[K.O.V.G]

the next one is suppose to be a movie I can't wait I have the first one on dvd witch rocks I'm gonna get second one before it's domesticated which would suck seeing as I hate dubs period.

[The Xenos]

I don't care much for the style of drawing they used for this. The heavy strokes are annoying in the close-ups, it's almost the effect of a flash-based movie (which in turn makes it look cheap). Especially in the comedy scenes, characters look like they jumped straight out of the artist's sketch-book. The facial expressions are often poorly-matched with the Japanese voices.

Nor is this a classical score: there are electric guitars and electronic beats. What this is, is a kind of rock/techno score just like the TV series had. Only a less original, much more standard-issue rock/techno score.

I know nothing of the production background here, but all in all, this feels like an anime made in America, primarily for the American market. Lots of things that grate on me that weren't present in the TV series.

This was actually made for the diehard Hellsing fans in both Japan and America. It was also made for the author who also was disapointed in how the TV show's story deviated from the awesome end he's still finishing.

Also, the point is that they did jump right out of his sketch book. Rather, they jumped right out of the manga. I was worried about the goofiness, but I didn't mind it. In the manga Hirano does super deform and make the characters goofy like that sometimes.

I myself can't wait for the comical scene where Alucard meets the spirit of his gun, The Jackal. (You know what I'm talking about, Willis.)

As for the heavy strokes, I'm not quite sure what you mean. I ahve noticed it looks a bit more like the artist's style and less like typical anime designs. I myself am quite happy with this.

As for the Japanese voices not matching, eh, I'd reccomend the dub. It sounded excellent.

As for the rock/techno being a bit more standard, I guess that's what I meant by a more classical score. I should have said more standard. It sounded like the author and producers felt the music in the TV show overwhelmed the action and story. They basically said they wanted to avoid seeming like a music video first and a movie second. Mind you, that's what I heard from the author and producer through a translator at a con.

I too was disapointed with the change in music, but when they said that I totally understood the choice for a more standard score.

[The Xenos]

the next one is suppose to be a movie I can't wait I have the first one on dvd witch rocks I'm gonna get second one before it's domesticated which would suck seeing as I hate dubs period.

You hate dubs period? Well then I guess you watch it in mute because the Japanese dub anime as well.

C'mon. You can't argue that -every- single anime dub is bad.

Lemme guess, you think it's wrong to listen to it in English because watching subtitles is more authentic to how they watch it in Japan? Well, sorry, but the Japanese don't read their dialouge in subtitles. They hear the dialouge in the dub. Shouldn't Americans be able to experince anime dialouge in the same aurally cognitive way the Japanese do? Yeah, you may lose the Japanese actors and what they add, but you also lose much of that anyway by not being able to natively speak Japanese.

Also, in Hellsing, you miss out on the British and other accents which are in the Japanese dub, but since I don't think you can speak Japanese. Seriously, the Hellsing dub is damn good. To write it and -every- dub off as bad is completely ignorant and close minded.

I don't get people who swear by subs on -every- anime without even hearing the dub. You can't hate dubs period, because you haven't seen them yet to judge them.

Speaking of periods, learn to use them. You seem to have a number of sentences there and only one period. Also capitalization, commas, and other sentence structure is also a keen idea. Mr. Period (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/10/11) is only where to help.

[Len Ikari145]

You hate dubs period? Well then I guess you watch it in mute because the Japanese dub anime as well.

C'mon. You can't argue that -every- single anime dub is bad.

Lemme guess, you think it's wrong to listen to it in English because watching subtitles is more authentic to how they watch it in Japan? Well, sorry, but the Japanese don't read their dialouge in subtitles. They hear the dialouge in the dub. Shouldn't Americans be able to experince anime dialouge in the same aurally cognitive way the Japanese do? Yeah, you may lose the Japanese actors and what they add, but you also lose much of that anyway by not being able to natively speak Japanese.

Also, in Hellsing, you miss out on the British and other accents which are in the Japanese dub, but since I don't think you can speak Japanese. Seriously, the Hellsing dub is damn good. To write it and -every- dub off as bad is completely ignorant and close minded.

I don't get people who swear by subs on -every- anime without even hearing the dub. You can't hate dubs period, because you haven't seen them yet to judge them.

Speaking of periods, learn to use them. You seem to have a number of sentences there and only one period. Also capitalization, commas, and other sentence structure is also a keen idea. Mr. Period (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/10/11) is only where to help.

I wouldn't waste my breath, Xenos. This guy really set in his bias and it's basically like talking to a brickwall.

[Drew Van T.]

This was actually made for the diehard Hellsing fans in both Japan and America. It was also made for the author who also was disapointed in how the TV show's story deviated from the awesome end he's still finishing.

Also, the point is that they did jump right out of his sketch book. Rather, they jumped right out of the manga. I was worried about the goofiness, but I didn't mind it. In the manga Hirano does super deform and make the characters goofy like that sometimes.

I myself can't wait for the comical scene where Alucard meets the spirit of his gun, The Jackal. (You know what I'm talking about, Willis.)

As for the heavy strokes, I'm not quite sure what you mean. I ahve noticed it looks a bit more like the artist's style and less like typical anime designs. I myself am quite happy with this.

As for the Japanese voices not matching, eh, I'd reccomend the dub. It sounded excellent.

As for the rock/techno being a bit more standard, I guess that's what I meant by a more classical score. I should have said more standard. It sounded like the author and producers felt the music in the TV show overwhelmed the action and story. They basically said they wanted to avoid seeming like a music video first and a movie second. Mind you, that's what I heard from the author and producer through a translator at a con.

I too was disapointed with the change in music, but when they said that I totally understood the choice for a more standard score.

That does put things in their proper perspective. It explains the differences in style and why in some places it looks like a cheaper production.

It also makes me realize that much of the TV series' charm - for me at least - was derived from its unusual, idiosyncratic score. "Rock video", indeed.

There is nothing inherently wrong with dubs...but in this particular case, I cannot accept Alucard being voiced by anyone else. You would need an A-list British voice actor in order to top the quality of the seiyuu in the original.

[Chevan]

There is nothing inherently wrong with dubs...but in this particular case, I cannot accept Alucard being voiced by anyone else. You would need an A-list British voice actor in order to top the quality of the seiyuu in the original.

The Hellsing OVA and TV series have nearly identical casts in both the English and the Japanese dubs. The only differences are in some of the minor characters; the main VA's are all the same.

[The Xenos]

Why would Alucard be British? I think in both the US and Japanese dub he doesn't have an accent.

Anyway, I really like Alucard's English VA and had him sign my DVD. Plus the panel he had at Boston was awesome. I missed his Escaflowne panel (twice) though heard his comments at his regular panel and was impressed. The guy is a big fan of the work himself. Though he never got in Escaflowne. I've also seen pics of him cosplaying Alucard, which is pretty cool. Though whoever made the costume for him used a terrible fabric, but it was otherwise nicely detailed.

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/6899/hellsingcosplaycrispinfreeman57347ih2.th.jpg (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hellsingcosplaycrispinfreeman57347ih2 .jpg) http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8487/hellsingcosplaycrispinfreeman881689ne1.th.jpg (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hellsingcosplaycrispinfreeman881689ne 1.jpg)

[Drew Van T.]

Why would Alucard be British? I think in both the US and Japanese dub he doesn't have an accent.


Because, generally speaking, British voice actors are more suited to this task, especially when the character being voiced is a Victorian-esque villain or anti-hero.

Obviously, the character itself is Romanian in origin, but this is irrelevant (I don't think anyone wants to go as far as incorporating a Romanian accent).

[K.O.V.G]

I wouldn't waste my breath, Xenos. This guy really set in his bias and it's basically like talking to a brickwall.

SO i'm a brick wall ok dude whatever people have different opinions on this so don't go around saying stuff about others How would you feel I said you were a total jackass. It's just plain wrong I'd appreciate it if you would not do that again.

[K.O.V.G]

You hate dubs period? Well then I guess you watch it in mute because the Japanese dub anime as well.

C'mon. You can't argue that -every- single anime dub is bad.

Lemme guess, you think it's wrong to listen to it in English because watching subtitles is more authentic to how they watch it in Japan? Well, sorry, but the Japanese don't read their dialouge in subtitles. They hear the dialouge in the dub. Shouldn't Americans be able to experince anime dialouge in the same aurally cognitive way the Japanese do? Yeah, you may lose the Japanese actors and what they add, but you also lose much of that anyway by not being able to natively speak Japanese.

Also, in Hellsing, you miss out on the British and other accents which are in the Japanese dub, but since I don't think you can speak Japanese. Seriously, the Hellsing dub is damn good. To write it and -every- dub off as bad is completely ignorant and close minded.

I don't get people who swear by subs on -every- anime without even hearing the dub. You can't hate dubs period, because you haven't seen them yet to judge them.

Speaking of periods, learn to use them. You seem to have a number of sentences there and only one period. Also capitalization, commas, and other sentence structure is also a keen idea. Mr. Period (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/10/11) is only where to help.


Well actually i'm taking japanese classess right now in college so i'm going to know Japanese pretty soon. And i'm not saying all dubs are bad but for the most part they are. And I would rather give my money to the guys who made the show then to a dub company who just dubbed it. And the hellsing dub was not that good to over did the profanity and the voices were not that good.

And I've pretty heard every dub for every anime I like and compared to the real thing english dubs are horrible. And would rather pay 32 bucks for 3 episodes or 13 or 14 bucks for the entire series. I don't know about you but I'm going with the 13 or 14 for the whole series.

[Len Ikari145]

SO i'm a brick wall ok dude whatever people have different opinions on this so don't go around saying stuff about others How would you feel I said you were a total jackass. It's just plain wrong I'd appreciate it if you would not do that again.

Seeing as I don't know you and vice versa, I couldn't care any less. And work on your grammar and punctuation. The way you type is practically an affront to God.

[Len Ikari145]

Well actually i'm taking japanese classess right now in college so i'm going to know Japanese pretty soon. And i'm not saying all dubs are bad but for the most part they are. And I would rather give my money to the guys who made the show then to a dub company who just dubbed it. And the hellsing dub was not that good to over did the profanity and the voices were not that good.

And I've pretty heard every dub for every anime I like and compared to the real thing english dubs are horrible. And would rather pay 32 bucks for 3 episodes or 13 or 14 bucks for the entire series. I don't know about you but I'm going with the 13 or 14 for the whole series.

Do you have any miniscule idea on how much imported japanese DVDs cost? If you think they cost 13 or 14 bucks for whole series(let alone ONE DVD), then you're more ignorant than I gave you credit for. Not to mention that most pirated DVDs have crap image quality and sound. And they overdid the profanity? Then you obviously haven't listened to most of the fansubs out there.

[Chevan]

I've also seen pics of him cosplaying Alucard, which is pretty cool. Though whoever made the costume for him used a terrible fabric, but it was otherwise nicely detailed.

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/6899/hellsingcosplaycrispinfreeman57347ih2.th.jpg http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8487/hellsingcosplaycrispinfreeman881689ne1.th.jpg

Wow. You're right, that is horrible fabric. Looks closer to bathrobe material than the (leather?) normal look of the trench.

Still, though, that's pretty awesome that he cosplayed his own character.

[K.O.V.G]

Seeing as I don't know you and vice versa, I couldn't care any less. And work on your grammar and punctuation. The way you type is practically an affront to God.

And work on your people skills the way you talk is like you have something up your ass or something.

[Len Ikari145]

And work on your people skills the way you talk is like you have something up your ass or something.

Only when it comes to condescending brats; But I'll stop. I really don't wanna to spam this topic and ruin it for anyone. So I'll just apologize, and move on.

[K.O.V.G]

Do you have any miniscule idea on how much imported japanese DVDs cost? If you think they cost 13 or 14 bucks for whole series(let alone ONE DVD), then you're more ignorant than I gave you credit for. Not to mention that most pirated DVDs have crap image quality and sound. And they overdid the profanity? Then you obviously haven't listened to most of the fansubs out there.

Yeah goes to show what you know dubber.

[Len Ikari145]

Yeah goes to show what you know dubber.

Care to elaborate then? And FYI, I love both subs and dubs; dubs more often than not, but I still love subs all the same.

[K.O.V.G]

Care to enlighten me then, subbie? And FYI, I love both subs and dubs; subs more often than not, but I still love dubs all the same.

OK Mr. no it all, I buy my anime generally online at or at a place called china town, and i'm not telling you where I shop online and wear I get my deals at you have a brain look for yourself. And I prefer to support the company who made the anime then these dubs companies who take all the credit for something the mangage to screw up.

[Len Ikari145]

OK Mr. no it all, I buy my anime generally online at or at a place called china town, and i'm not telling you where I shop online and wear I get my deals at you have a brain look for yourself. And I prefer to support the company who made the anime then these dubs companies who take all the credit for something the mangage to screw up.

I'll concede to the point that Chinatown.com does have some sweet deals on imports (like Naruto), but that's because they are *pirated*, my friend. So, your statement that you'll only buy from the original company is contradictorial since they didn't create or distribute the anime. And how do the american distributors of anime take credit? Companies like 4Kids I can understand, but Viz, Bandai, ADV films, and GENEON? They always give credit to their original distributors. And how do they screw it up? The translations are very accurate normally; the music, content, dialogue, language, etc. are all intact;. Plus, you always have the option of switching turning off the dub and watching it subbed. So, how do they manage to ruin it? Wanna elaborate?

[Chevan]

You know, when you buy anime from American companies, you're not actually hurting the original producers. They already got paid when the American company bought the distribution rights.

And whenever you buy anime from a store, all you're supporting is the store itself - the production company already got paid for that, too. The store's just a middle man, and they had to buy the anime themselves from the distribution company.

All you're really doing is not supporting the economy by not buying it locally.

[The Xenos]

Well actually i'm taking japanese classess right now in college so i'm going to know Japanese pretty soon. And i'm not saying all dubs are bad but for the most part they are. And I would rather give my money to the guys who made the show then to a dub company who just dubbed it. And the hellsing dub was not that good to over did the profanity and the voices were not that good.

And I've pretty heard every dub for every anime I like and compared to the real thing english dubs are horrible. And would rather pay 32 bucks for 3 episodes or 13 or 14 bucks for the entire series. I don't know about you but I'm going with the 13 or 14 for the whole series.

OK Mr. no it all, I buy my anime generally online at or at a place called china town, and i'm not telling you where I shop online and wear I get my deals at you have a brain look for yourself. And I prefer to support the company who made the anime then these dubs companies who take all the credit for something the mangage to screw up.

THOSE AREN"T JAPANESE DVDS! If they're that cheap, on that few DVDs, online or in Chinatown, region free, then those are bootleg. Those are HK bootlegs! C'mon. You really don't know what you're talking about. You're not giving a cent to the guys who made the show, as your've been arguing. You're actually funding bootlegs and organized crime. I'm not joking. I admit didn't know that either years ago. Though I bought music CDs bootleg before I knew better.

Japanese DVDs are much more expensive than the English releases. So you might as well buy the region 1 American DVDs with both the American dub and Japanese dub with subtitles. They're cheaper and you are actually giving money to the Japanese creators. The American comics spend huge sums of money on the liscence from the Japanese company, so those Japanese creators get a huge amount of money. American companies don't just tack on a dub, they give money to the orignal Japanese company for the rights to publish DVDs in the US. That's why anime is so expensive. (Yet still cheaper than Japan because Americans won't spend that much on DVDs. Your buying of cheap boolegs is proof.) When you buy US region 1 DVDs by American companies, you indirectly give money to Japanese creators. Meanwhile, with the bootleg DVDs you bought, the Japanese creators get nothing.

You're talking like your view is superior when all you do is talk in generalizations and provide wrong incormation. You haven't cited a single series English dub and actually said what you don't like about it and why the Japanese is so much better. Also, your argument about buying Japanese DVDs is null and void because you've actually been buying bootlegs.

Double check this for me. These entire series you bought for $14.... Is it region free (region 0)? Is it on only a few DVDs? Is it done by an American company? Only American companies are allowed to distribute here. And again, the American company is getting anime cheaper to you than the Japanese pay for Japanese region 2 DVDs.

Here is a FAQ telling you all the warning signs of illegal bootleg DVDs from which the original Japanese creators don't get a cent.

http://www.digital.anime.org.uk/piratefaq.html#dvd

So excuse us for being angry when you come across with a superior attitude and you really don't know what you are talking about. You are simply aruging with false information of anime production, dubbing, and retail and have been quite arrogant that your arument is right.

Also, in taking Japanese classes, it will take you years to comprehend the language at a decent level. I know people who have taken years of Japanese classes and still don't insist on subs because they want to conprehend it in their native language. A few years of Japanese class will not be the same as it being your native language.

[K.O.V.G]

THOSE AREN"T JAPANESE DVDS! If they're that cheap, on that few DVDs, online or in Chinatown, region free, then those are bootleg. Those are HK bootlegs! C'mon. You really don't know what you're talking about. You're not giving a cent to the guys who made the show, as your've been arguing. You're actually funding bootlegs and organized crime. I'm not joking. I admit didn't know that either years ago. Though I bought music CDs bootleg before I knew better.

Japanese DVDs are much more expensive than the English releases. So you might as well buy the region 1 American DVDs with both the American dub and Japanese dub with subtitles. They're cheaper and you are actually giving money to the Japanese creators. The American comics spend huge sums of money on the liscence from the Japanese company, so those Japanese creators get a huge amount of money. American companies don't just tack on a dub, they give money to the orignal Japanese company for the rights to publish DVDs in the US. That's why anime is so expensive. (Yet still cheaper than Japan because Americans won't spend that much on DVDs. Your buying of cheap boolegs is proof.) When you buy US region 1 DVDs by American companies, you indirectly give money to Japanese creators. Meanwhile, with the bootleg DVDs you bought, the Japanese creators get nothing.

You're talking like your view is superior when all you do is talk in generalizations and provide wrong incormation. You haven't cited a single series English dub and actually said what you don't like about it and why the Japanese is so much better. Also, your argument about buying Japanese DVDs is null and void because you've actually been buying bootlegs.

Double check this for me. These entire series you bought for $14.... Is it region free (region 0)? Is it on only a few DVDs? Is it done by an American company? Only American companies are allowed to distribute here. And again, the American company is getting anime cheaper to you than the Japanese pay for Japanese region 2 DVDs.

Here is a FAQ telling you all the warning signs of illegal bootleg DVDs from which the original Japanese creators don't get a cent.

http://www.digital.anime.org.uk/piratefaq.html#dvd

So excuse us for being angry when you come across with a superior attitude and you really don't know what you are talking about. You are simply aruging with false information of anime production, dubbing, and retail and have been quite arrogant that your arument is right.

Also, in taking Japanese classes, it will take you years to comprehend the language at a decent level. I know people who have taken years of Japanese classes and still don't insist on subs because they want to conprehend it in their native language. A few years of Japanese class will not be the same as it being your native language.

lol goes to show what you know the dvds I buy come from a online store which be it region one two three or beyond. and i've been taking Japanese for four years now and people learn at different levels man I swear you know it alls on this forum crack me up but hey i'm not hear to change anyone's opinion I don't like dubs thats me. and I don't buy from chinatown.com I go directy to the store and buy them I buy my dvds from toysnjoys.com and other stores.

[Len Ikari145]

lol goes to show what you know.

In other words, "I can no longer argue the point and instead of admitting to my own blatant ignorance, I will fall back on condescendence to *again* hide the weakness in my arguments and claims", huh? How typical of you. And you wonder why people get aggravated with you on threads. And if you were really buying them directly from the distributors's company, they would cost you 40$ or more per DVD. And the amount of episodes contained on the official Japanese DVDs are the *same* as the American ones. Again, you're trying to act like you know more than others and coming up short. It's rather laughable.

[K.O.V.G]

In other words, "I can no longer argue the point and instead of admitting to my own blatant ignorance, I will fall back on condescendence to *again* hide the weakness in my arguments and claims", huh? How typical of you. And you wonder why people get aggravated with you on threads.

Yeah whatever dude I really don't care what you guys think omg they hate who cares dude. you have your opinions I have mines and the reason people argue with me is because they think they know everything when really they don't we can argue about this all day and night which I won't you guys turn everything into argument you think you have all the facts which you don't.

You guys problem is you take stuff to seriouly and you guys are judgemental you can burst your blood vessel or a discussion in a forum if you want but I don't take this stuff seriously. Just because I put up an argument it's all hell breaks loose. But not everyone on this forum is like that some poeple are actually down to earth and are welling to listen to others arguments and don't think they are superior to others because they don't make as many typos as others.

[Len Ikari145]

Yeah whatever dude I really don't care what you guys think omg they hate who cares dude. you have your opinions I have mines and the reason people argue with me is because they think they know everything when really they don't we can argue about this all day and night which I won't you guys turn everything into argument you think you have all the facts which you don't.

There you again. You always demonstrate this attitude that anyone who argues with you is wrong or an idiot; this is what debates are all about, bud. If that's how you perceive people who exchange their opinions, why bother posting on threads at all? And you're the one who puts labels on people when they disagree with you. If you're just going patronize and insult others, maybe you should hang somewhere else.

And for the love of God, quit trying lowbrow argument with your "you guys need to mellow out yada, yada, yada" cause you're not placating anyone with that crap. That's nothing but pathetic means of feinting the issue.

[K.O.V.G]

There you again. You always demonstrate this attitude that anyone who argues with you is wrong or an idiot; this is what debates are all about, bud. If that's how you perceive people who exchange their opinions, why bother posting on threads at all? If you're just going patronize and insult others, maybe you should hang somewhere else.

It's the truth I say one thing that is not correct in some of your eyes and I get bashed even something as simple as subs vs dubs I say something that is not right in your eyes and it's gone this far. It's not the way I preceive people its the way you people judge others.

[Azangel]

KOVG, this is absurd.

YOU ARE BUYING BOOTLEGS.

That is all there is to it.

Consider this discussion over.