Neon Genesis Evangelion Mega Thread! [Archive]

Citizen V

02-11-2006, 07:14 PM

This is a thread to discuss Neon Genesis Evangelion,the anime and the manga.

When NGE first aired in Japan,it raised alot of eyebrows because alot of what it had was groundbreaking.At that time in Japan,Chrsitantity was a less known religion,so it was a instant hit.An anime based on a apocalyptic setting,it takes place in the future.

Where Evas,piloted by children,are mankind`s last hope against entities known as "Angels".Did you first see it in the 90`s,or are you seeing it for the first time,since it is currently being aired on Cartoo Network,an American station.

Questions,thoughts,praises and rumors go here.

Steve

02-11-2006, 07:43 PM

Honestly? I don't think much of it. I saw it back then subbed when it was first released on video in the States, and watching it again dubbed on Cartoon Network. I've even checked out the films recently. Personally, I think it's overrated. I didn't find it to be the holy grail that some were making it out to be back then. But hey, it's probably just me on these boards.

Hiromi

02-11-2006, 10:20 PM

Outside the ending it was a good series, though I feel it a bit over rated. I prefer RahXephon personally.

The Xenos

02-11-2006, 11:29 PM

I saw it subbed in high school, a Catholic one at that. A friend hijacked the sci-fi club to show Eva. It was like putting a shotgun to my head. I had no idea a television show, animated or not, could even go near those places. It was so epic and at the same time so personal and introspective. It was a rather religious experience and is likley one of the shows that has most had an effect on my life.

The whole thing about how people interact was amazing. The hedgehog's dillema and all that talk really got to me and still influences the way I see the world. It was so insightful and it really makes so much sense to me as a way to acess the world. There's so much psychology in the show it's amazing. Hell, even everything about the AT Field and autism (where the term comes from)

Now I'm rather serious Christian and Eva surely has one odd take on Christianity. It's really not Christian. They take Christian mythology, Caballah Jewish mythology, and I guess some eastern philosophy and Buhddism and toss it all in a blender. It's quite interesting and I find it fantastic.

I recently came back from class and caught my roomates showing another friend the end of Eva Movie. I ended up saying for at least the end of Komm Susser Tod and missed ten minutes of the next class. I still love the damn show.

Sandoz

02-12-2006, 03:26 AM

Indefatigable

02-12-2006, 04:42 AM

I first saw it at a friend's house in 2000 or 2001. I also had no idea TV could be like that. I loved it, still love it now, though some of my friends think it's overrated.

Sanagi

02-12-2006, 12:40 PM

Evangelion is probably still my favorite anime of all time, but it is overrated. I've been watching the un-remastered episodes on Adult Swim, and the show hasn't aged very well. The limited budget and recycled scenes really stand out. Plus, in the wake of so many Eva imitators these last ten years, I think it's difficult for younger anime fans to really grasp how influential Eva was. But, like I said, I still enjoy the show. Asuka never ceases to amuse me.
I think this is exactly right. When you watch it now, the animation looks shoddy and the plot seems really random and melodramatic - and all that is true, but when it came out there was nothing like it. Eva was the rough, pure, flawed masterpiece that blazed a trail for countless later anime. The makers of shows like Rahxephon had the luxury of saying "Okay, we'll copy this, this, and this from Eva, but leave out the stuff that made people send death threats."

The Herald of Torrent

02-12-2006, 02:32 PM

It's not bad, it's just that, well, it's not good. I'm seeing for the first time, and it's well, mediocre. I'm already confused as it is. I'd prefer to watch Dual, since it's pretty much the light-hearted version of EVA. It's just not that great. Though I still have that crush on Asuka...

I have nothing more to say.

The Xenos

02-12-2006, 04:16 PM

It is rather hilarous to hear people talk and fight over which characters I like. I find Asuka especially polerizes people. A couple of friends from our college anime club were over watching Eva. One hadn't seen it before. He kept joking about what a bitch Asuka was and kept saying that Shinji should just slap her or choke her (heh) or "grab her by the legs and swing her against the wall". While the other friend was a big Asuka fan and told him, and me, to shut up about Asuka.

I myself used to be a Rei fan, though now I much prefer Misato. Of course, when friends talked me and an ex into trying cosplay, my ex was going to go as Misato as she said she kinda had a similar dress. Misato costume or not, I was quite up for seeing that. It was said I should be Gendo due to my beard and stature. Unfortunately, we never did go to the con together as things didn't last. Of course, maybe that our mutual friends showed her all of Eva just before she met me didn't help.

matrix

02-12-2006, 04:23 PM

i like it up to the ending and the movie. it was really groundbreaking for the time but the movie just ruin my love for it.

monkeyaxslash

02-23-2006, 06:27 PM

i just got into it on adult swim and i have notice that theres two movies are they part of the series like the last episods or is it just two movies. will it come out on adult swim

The Xenos

02-23-2006, 06:54 PM

One movie, Death & Rebirth, is a recap. I say skip or just rent it.

End of Evangelion is the real ending movie. In a way, the movie happens at the same time as the last two eps. The last two eps are all in Shnji's mind and the movie shows what happens in the 'real' outside world. At least that's one good explaination I've heard.

Eliseu Gouveia

02-23-2006, 07:51 PM

Anno has a talent for great series with awfull endings, between NGE and Kare Kano, his track record doesn´t inspire me much confidence.

Sandoz

02-23-2006, 08:14 PM

will it come out on adult swim
Not for a long time, at least. The Encore Network currently has the broadcast rights to both films.

I'm not sure that I'd even want to see End of Evangelion on Adult Swim anyway...even though AS has made amazing strides in terms of the content they air, the Eva films are extremely violent and sexual in content and would be edited. Hell, Rei Ayanami spends 90% of the movie completely nude.

Player 0

02-26-2006, 01:14 AM

Does anyone actually know when Viz is finally going to release volume 9 of the manga in english, because they're like a year late or something, what's the deal with Viz anyway?!

Sandoz

02-26-2006, 12:43 PM

Does anyone actually know when Viz is finally going to release volume 9 of the manga in english, because they're like a year late or something, what's the deal with Viz anyway?!
Volume 9's been out for a long time. (http://store.viz.com/product/GNVSC0008/s.rGahgA1b) I got my copy about a year ago directly from them.

As for volume 10, be prepared to wait. The Eva manga has an extremely sporadic schedule in Japan, with about one tankobon released per year. Volume 10 won't even be released in Japan until late next month. This isn't Viz's fault.

Citizen V

02-26-2006, 06:07 PM

I doubt that End Of Evangelion will ever be aired,if you thought the series was much.The movie is just as intense,or even more so.Especially with the sex scene with Kaji and Misato or the infamus scene with Asuka and Shinji in the hospital room.

Eliseu Gouveia

02-26-2006, 08:08 PM

Spoilers

I don´t remember any sex scene between Kaji and Misato in EoE (IIRC, Kaji doesn´t even star in EoE).

There is a sex scene, yes, but that´s Shinji masturbating to Asuka´s body.

Sandoz

02-26-2006, 08:36 PM

Spoilers

I don´t remember any sex scene between Kaji and Misato in EoE (IIRC, Kaji doesn´t even star in EoE).

There is a sex scene, yes, but that´s Shinji masturbating to Asuka´s body.
When Shinji is in Instrumentality, he views Misato's memories of having sex with Kaji in college (a version of this scene was in one of the infamous final two episodes). It's not particularly graphic, though Misato moans rather loudly.

The Xenos

02-27-2006, 03:52 AM

Not to mention you see her legs in the air bouncing in a certain way as Shinji watches it happen right in front of him.

Eliseu Gouveia

02-28-2006, 06:49 PM

Popped the DVD on the tray again and yup, it´s there alright.

Rachel Grey

03-01-2006, 12:37 AM

Still love Eva. It was the anime that got me into the fandom :)

Overrated? It is if the Star Wars Original Trilogy is.

Violently Apathetic

03-01-2006, 12:40 PM

Overrated? It is if the Star Wars Original Trilogy is.

Oh, good, then I don't feel bad for saying both are a little overrated (IMHO).
I can certainly appreciate the long term effects EVA had on the medium, but I just found it to be mediocre at best. Partially due to the poor quality animation (which was really beyond their control, but I digress) and the monster of the week approach in the beginning of the series. There were some cool scenes, especially Asuka's fight against the mass produced EVA units in the movie, but I found them to be few and far between.

But then I preferred the series ending to the movie ending (why did Rei kill everyone?!) so what do I know?

Sandoz

03-01-2006, 03:31 PM

But then I preferred the series ending to the movie ending (why did Rei kill everyone?!) so what do I know?
Rei actually didn't kill anyone. As Lilith, she just kick started humanity's next stage in evolution; they shed their physical forms (which regress to LCL, the "primordial soup" of life) and merged their minds into one single consciousness. Shinji rejected the false paradise that Instrumentality offered and chose a world where people still existed. A bit of dialogue suggests that everyone can restore their physical forms if they make they same choice Shinji does.

Citizen V

03-01-2006, 07:40 PM

There have been debates as to what would have happened if Shinji..refused to accept the instrumentality in EoE some say the outcome would have been much different.

Also..there is countless theories to this..but what did Gendo say to Ritsuko before..he killed her? there is no words,only mouth movement.

Violently Apathetic

03-01-2006, 10:29 PM

Rei actually didn't kill anyone. As Lilith, she just kick started humanity's next stage in evolution; they shed their physical forms (which regress to LCL, the "primordial soup" of life) and merged their minds into one single consciousness. Shinji rejected the false paradise that Instrumentality offered and chose a world where people still existed. A bit of dialogue suggests that everyone can restore their physical forms if they make they same choice Shinji does.

See, I didn't quite get that, did you watch it more than once or read any outside sources to help you understand it? Or do I just fail completely when it comes to understanding things that aren't directly spelled out for me? I remember watching it with my sister and her boyfriend and just being like 'WTF is going on?!' Next to Dead Leaves and the Utena movie it was probably the most surreal anime I had seen.

Maybe I should rewatch it later, I know I have it somewhere.

Zun Liako

03-01-2006, 10:42 PM

Rewatching it definetely helps, Wiki has a nice entry page for it too

Violently Apathetic

03-01-2006, 11:03 PM

Ah, thanks for the info. *wanders off to Wikipedia* I should have thought of that in the first place...

Zun Liako

03-02-2006, 07:54 PM

Yeah, Wiki has a nice set on it...saves from having to run around looking for a bunch of stuff. Though I do have a few problems with a couple of the pages, it's for the most part solid. And since the series is so open to interpretation anyway it can't be helped for a quibble here and there

Accacia

03-14-2006, 07:02 PM

evangelion is pretty good. i just got done with the series. yep. if you only see one episode..youll be soooo lost though..its rather deep. it has its moments that freek me out a bit. misato is awesomeness. so is Rei. Asuka annoys me...bleh :evilangry and i dont like shinji either..though he is the main charectar...hes a gross lil perv..ewness..

episode 26 is probably the best. yeeeeep! ;)

madevil

03-19-2006, 09:27 AM

I dont think it is an over rated show. Its over hyped.

Citizen V

03-26-2006, 07:19 PM

A question came to mind...since Eva is being aired on Cartoon Network..where can one buy episodes of Eva uncut?I heard the Plantium collection of Eva is the only deal that shows Eva uncut..unless you bought the VHS episodes of them.

Alex Scott

03-26-2006, 08:32 PM

Um, they're all uncut. However, there are some "director's cut" versions of the last volumes, which were put together by Gainax, and the original DVD editions of the first few volumes had bad video quality and really poorly done English overlays, but were quickly reissued without those problems. I think they only do separate uncut releases when the series is on Toonami.

Zun Liako

03-26-2006, 09:28 PM

The best bet for Eva DVDs is the platinum thinpack set, can get the entire series plus the four directors cut episodes for around 50-60 dollars

Eliseu Gouveia

03-26-2006, 10:35 PM

Rei actually didn't kill anyone. As Lilith, she just kick started humanity's next stage in evolution; they shed their physical forms (which regress to LCL, the "primordial soup" of life) and merged their minds into one single consciousness. Shinji rejected the false paradise that Instrumentality offered and chose a world where people still existed. A bit of dialogue suggests that everyone can restore their physical forms if they make they same choice Shinji does.

One thing that has always bugged me regarding folks´ interpretation of EoE.

People say that everyone can return to their physical forms.
Misato included.

Misato died from a gunshot before Lilith did that LCL-Splosh! number on mankind, so how can she return to life?

IMHO, she´s gone, just like everyone trhat wasn´t alive during that event, Gendo (Shinji´s EVA bit his head off) , Kaji, etc, etc.

Buzz Dixon

03-26-2006, 10:43 PM

So why was the 2nd in command at NERVA forced to appear nude before the Steeles? Was there a security reason or just to humiliate her?

Sandoz

03-26-2006, 10:54 PM

One thing that has always bugged me regarding folks´ interpretation of EoE.

People say that everyone can return to their physical forms.
Misato included.

Misato died from a gunshot before Lilith did that LCL-Splosh! number on mankind, so how can she return to life?

IMHO, she´s gone, just like everyone trhat wasn´t alive during that event, Gendo (Shinji´s EVA bit his head off) , Kaji, etc, etc.
We see Rei "collect" Misato's soul right before the bomb destroys the elevator, and then later we see that Misato's body has turned to LCL (you see the puddle right next to her tattered jacket). This is in keeping with the other scene in which dozens of Reis surround the recently-killed NERV employees who have also turned to LCL.

We know that Misato was a part of Instrumentality like Fuyutsuki and the other techs because she speaks to Shinji and he gets a peek into her memories. Misato's body was liquified and her consciousness was merged with the others--if she wasn't present, Shinji would not have witnessed the scene of Kaji and Misato having sex.

So, apparently, anyone who was recently dead (and seen being "collected" by Rei) can come back to life, and that would include Misato. People who have been dead for a long time (like Kaji) cannot, nor can people who were expressly rejected by Lilith/Rei (like Gendo).

Eliseu Gouveia

03-26-2006, 11:00 PM

Oh.

Thanks, that does make sense (slaps self). :)

What I still haven´t figured out:

in ep#1, before Misato gives Shinji a ride to see his dad, he sees a mirage:
Rei is standing in the middle of a deserted street looking at him, the next second she vanishes in thin air.

What´s that all about, time travelling?

Robotech Master

03-26-2006, 11:13 PM

I always thought that was just weird foreshadowing.

Though the scene in question is used by the "Its all a Dream" theorists to suggest that Shinji's consciousness is blending future elements of the dream into the earlier parts. The scene just before Shinji returns to Nerv to fight Zeruel is also cited by these theorists as possible evidence that Eva is a long dream that ends in episode 26 with Shinji essentially waking up. The movie definately seems to go in line with what different theorists think, but a lot of other people think of the movie as Anno giving the naysayers the middle finger for complaining about his first ending.

Zun Liako

03-26-2006, 11:40 PM

Rei is standing in the middle of a deserted street looking at him, the next second she vanishes in thin air.

This scene is subject to a ton of debate and you can read into it alot more than necessary, it's up to you to see how it fits.

I personally feel its Rei in appearance only, it actually being a manifestation of Lilith watching over everything (watching EoE will give a clue to this, as even when Misato dies before 3I she has a "Rei" watching her) as the progenitor of humanity.

Some people feel it's something to do with quantum mechanics (look at Rei's room in episode 23, Strangeness(dss) and the other things are related to quarks) and the funkiness that is Rei's soul being able to be in two places at once.

There are a bunch of others

Citizen V

03-29-2006, 10:55 AM

In EoE Rei stands for all of humanity,that`s why when everyone "died" there was atleast one Rei present.Also,what was the song that was playing when Rei merged with Lillith and began to absorb all of humanity`s souls into herself?

In the latest episode Misato actually showed effection for Shinji,but he refused.Misato thought that she was too old for him.Sexual tention?Or a way out of escaping the harsh truth with life at the moment?

Zun Liako

03-29-2006, 11:48 PM

Sanagi

03-30-2006, 06:26 PM

Komm, Susser Todd...which was originally a piece by Bach I believe
Just the title, there's no other similarity.

Citizen V

03-30-2006, 06:45 PM

I once heard a rumor that the english version of EoE was actually censored.That it was never made uncut in english,one scene was when Gendo was eaten by Eva Unit 01.The Eva actually bites him,and from what i see,the scene stops.And blood is heard gushing,in the japanese version Gendo is actually bitten in half.

Is this true?Has anything else been censored?

Zun Liako

03-30-2006, 10:10 PM

Just the title, there's no other similarity.

Ah alright, thanks for the correction...never heard the Bach piece myself but since alot of the stuff was taken from it figured it would be too. guess not though

Sandoz

03-30-2006, 10:49 PM

MKTerra

04-03-2006, 01:54 AM

This looked kinda funny :p

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6966/ngegaijinyonkomarxn8uf.th.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ngegaijinyonkomarxn8uf.jpg)

Ryan K

04-03-2006, 08:10 AM

This looked kinda funny :p

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6966/ngegaijinyonkomarxn8uf.th.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ngegaijinyonkomarxn8uf.jpg)

Heh. That is pretty funny.

BTW, in case anyone's interested I saw a print ad for the Neon Genesis Evangelion: Angelic Days Vol. 1 tpb. It's being released in May. I'm too cheap to buy Newtype to read the chapters individually, but I'll buy the collected edition.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1413903444/sr=8-1/qid=1144073473/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-9041575-3281638?%5Fencoding=UTF8

The Xenos

04-03-2006, 09:51 AM

Ugh. I saw the preview chapters in NewType USA. I didn't care for it at all, both in story and art. I don't mind shojo and Evangelion done that way could be interesting, but the art seemed off to me and I couldn't tell what the story was doing.

Buzz Dixon

04-03-2006, 11:09 AM

Has anyone pointed out the similarities between CHILDHOOD'S END by Arthur C. Clarke and NEON GENESIS EVANGELION? Both stories have theological iconography (in the novel, the aliens visiting Earth look like winged demons) and in both the story ends with humanity making its next leap forward spiritually.

I question the wisdom of arbitrarily deciding humanity as a whole is ready for a great leap forward. One of the underlying thoughts in Christian theology is that this world is just a preparation for the next, and that those who are not ready to submit to the will of God will not share eternity with Him. Shoving the human race forward when it is not ready is apt to create horrors that would make the Holocaust pale in comparison.

(Alfred Bester's THE STARS MY DESTINATION ends with a somewhat similar scene, with the unspoken knowledge that all it will take is a single psychopath, suicidal person, or drama queen adolescent to wipe out humanity.)

The Real Nemo

04-03-2006, 04:58 PM

I question the wisdom of arbitrarily deciding humanity as a whole is ready for a great leap forward. One of the underlying thoughts in Christian theology is that this world is just a preparation for the next, and that those who are not ready to submit to the will of God will not share eternity with Him. Shoving the human race forward when it is not ready is apt to create horrors that would make the Holocaust pale in comparison.
Well yeah, that's why SEELE are portrayed as villains in Eva...

The Xenos

04-04-2006, 12:38 AM

Young Avenger

04-13-2006, 11:40 PM

Can someone please explain to me what in the blue hell happened in the final two episodes of this show? Did Shinji go insane? Did his mind get hacked by an Angel again? Do I need to see the End of Evagelion movie to know more?

Rod G

04-13-2006, 11:56 PM

Do I need to see the End of Evagelion movie to know more?

It might help .

I felt the same way with the final episode of Silent Mobius.

The Real Nemo

04-14-2006, 12:27 AM

I've got to say, all of the spoilers and discussions about the series I've read over the years did *not* prepare me for the acid trip that is the final episode. Alternate Rei is one of the freakiest things I've ever seen in anime... O_O

Sanagi

04-14-2006, 01:35 AM

Story answer: The instrumentality project, which was the ultimate goal of Nerv and Seele, turned humanity into a sort of godlike collective consciousness.

Real answer: Hideaki Anno dissected his own story and characters.

KameTen

04-14-2006, 02:14 AM

Anno looked at his own inner turmoil and found how to love himself and accept the world around him. He wanted to share his revelation to his fans, and with Shinji as his author surrogate, and his characters extensions of his inner self, both Shinji and most of the main characters went through the same ordeal.

The Instrumentality explaination and EOE were tacked on when Anno's inner revelation and self-love confession had been violently (he got death threats, if I have remembered correctly) rejected by the Japanese fans who wanted something to get all blowed up. The end result was EOE, where everything became a violent and skewed parody of what they once were, from the character personalities to the overkill of Christian symbols. And Instrumentality served to cover up Anno opening himself up to his fans, and to harden his skin to such reactions.

He gave them what they wanted, and insulted them at the same time by calling them base creatures only interested in seeing beloved characters reduced to nothing more than a body count or masses of mindless putty.

But that's just me.

Rachel Grey

04-14-2006, 02:17 AM

The Instrumentality explaination and EOE were tacked on when Anno's inner revelation and self-love confession had been violently (he got death threats, if I have remembered correctly) rejected by the Japanese fans who wanted something to get all blowed up.

Yeah, the text from some of those death threats were re-printed in EOE.

KameTen

04-14-2006, 02:25 AM

Yeah, the text from some of those death threats were re-printed in EOE.

EOE was the work of a pissed off creator venting his frustrations on an audience that either didn't care past the explosions, didn't understand what the hell was going on, or lied to themselves about what was going on while knowing the truth all along. Either way, that thing should have never been given the green light. Maybe Eva would look better years down the road, but I have doubts about it while EOE is looked at with any connection to the anime.

Sanagi

04-14-2006, 02:28 AM

The Instrumentality explaination and EOE were tacked on...
Instrumentality is cited as the cause in the episodes.

Young Avenger

04-14-2006, 02:38 AM

KameTen

04-14-2006, 02:46 AM

Instrumentality is cited as the cause in the episodes.

And the actions of Instrumentality are two seperate things when comparing the last two episodes to EOE. I'd like to think of what happened in those episodes as just a breakthrough, and leave Instrumentality as an EOE type thing.

Dragonball did it with Dragon Ball GT:p

Pikachu

04-14-2006, 04:12 AM

Originally posted by Buzz Dixon
Has anyone pointed out the similarities between CHILDHOOD'S END by Arthur C. Clarke and NEON GENESIS EVANGELION? Both stories have theological iconography (in the novel, the aliens visiting Earth look like winged demons) and in both the story ends with humanity making its next leap forward spiritually.

Not only that, but Evangellion shares a lot with C.S. Lewis's Space Trilogy also. I guess when you take Christian theology, apply the I and Thou perameters, you end up getting lots of interesting questions. We often project our spiritual search as a physical one, and leave our intellects up to weed through the clues. Angels become Aliens --something outside of us-- as we seek the truth and how it affects us. There is always an evil force at work also, to lead us off the path, or to destroy us.

Any time we question our own humanity we must put it -our intalect that is- along with our spiritual nature into context, or, put it in contrast next to God's nature. This is how we try to define ourselves, who we are, who God is, etc. I think Evangelion does a wonderful job of breaking down the psychology of the human mind and how we try to cope with the presence of a divine mind. It's a common theme in this series and many stories which try to think through the equation of God, the self, and the pertinence of it all.

Pika!

Crinos

04-14-2006, 07:18 AM

Oh, so THAT'S why Shinji was masturbating over Asuka.

...I dont know, I kinda liked the ending. Confused the hell out of me, but it was pretty good.

Crinos

04-14-2006, 08:44 AM

monkeyaxslash

04-14-2006, 09:56 AM

i heard some were thers a new manga of evangelion which takes place in that alternative reality that shinji was imagining in the last episode does any one know if it's true.

Crinos

04-14-2006, 10:52 AM

i heard some were thers a new manga of evangelion which takes place in that alternative reality that shinji was imagining in the last episode does any one know if it's true.

Yeah, its called "Angelic days".

I havent been keeping up with it, but I think its just a more upbeat version of EVA proper.

KameTen

04-14-2006, 11:10 AM

You know, I'm really kinda conflicted over this whole thing.

The intellectual College Student in me is happy that Anno was able to work out his problems, and appreciates the deep philosophical message in final episodes. He is also deeply saddened that Anno's vision wasnt appreciated by the fans.

And yet, the sweaty Otaku fanboy who still watches cartoons in his early 20's in me wants to slap Anno upside the head and call him an idiot. Yeah, its great you found Jesus or whatever, but what you forgot is that Eva was billed as a giant robot show. And the people who watch giant robot shows generally dont do it for the deep philosophy, they watch it to see giant robots BLOW. UP. SHIT. It'd be like turning DBZ into Serial Experiment Lain in the last chapter.

So basically it boils down to this: Great message, very deep, but he picked the WORST possible audience to portray it too. It'd be like booking a Minstril show to perform at a Black Panther meeting.

Also, I'd also like to say that allowing your personal life to seep into your writing smacks of unprofessionalism. I'm sorry, and I'll probably come of as a hypocrite when I do it myself someday, but thats just how I feel.

Its not unprofessional to put in aspects of one's personal life in their work. Hell, all works are, in some ways, connected to one's personal life. Can you imagine yourself making a story that had no real connection to yourself?

Anno thought that the mesage was more important than the standard formula, wrote two episodes to show this idea, and got hate mail for it. He gave them what they wanted in EOE, and bastardized everything he created in Eva, practically creating a seperate cast who's only connection was by name and look.

Crinos

04-14-2006, 11:14 AM

Its not unprofessional to put in aspects of one's personal life in their work. Hell, all works are, in some ways, connected to one's personal life. Can you imagine yourself making a story that had no real connection to yourself?

Anno thought that the mesage was more important than the standard formula, wrote two episodes to show this idea, and got hate mail for it. He gave them what they wanted in EOE, and bastardized everything he created in Eva, practically creating a seperate cast who's only connection was by name and look.

I suppose this is true.

But still, I think that if giant robot fans want deep profound messages then they'd watch Gundam.

Buzz Dixon

04-14-2006, 12:49 PM

I was watching last night on CN and when they got to the part where Shinji becomes a rough black and white line drawing animation, Chuck Jones' DUCK AMOK popped to mind.

Maybe it's nothing more than a cartoon even in the context of the story itself. Maybe it's supposed to have no meaning beyond that.

The Real Nemo

04-14-2006, 04:37 PM

It's hard to tell just from the last ep, did Shinji accept or reject Instrumentality?

Zun Liako

04-14-2006, 04:49 PM

Common thought is rejection. "I can live here (on earth)" and from the revelations he had along the end all point away from the conceptions of instrumentality

Citizen V

04-14-2006, 05:22 PM

People have seen the end of Neon Genesis Evangelion,there is no doubt that some would be...a bit dissapointed with the end.This is why EoE was made.

Pikachu

04-14-2006, 06:12 PM

Originailly posted by Crinos
And yet, the sweaty Otaku fanboy who still watches cartoons in his early 20's in me wants to slap Anno upside the head and call him an idiot. Yeah, its great you found Jesus or whatever, but what you forgot is that Eva was billed as a giant robot show. And the people who watch giant robot shows generally dont do it for the deep philosophy, they watch it to see giant robots BLOW. UP. SHIT. It'd be like turning DBZ into Serial Experiment Lain in the last chapter.

Originally posted by Buzz Dixon
I was watching last night on CN and when they got to the part where Shinji becomes a rough black and white line drawing animation, Chuck Jones' DUCK AMOK popped to mind.
Maybe it's nothing more than a cartoon even in the context of the story itself. Maybe it's supposed to have no meaning beyond that.

Yet isn't this exact reason that EVA has its staying power? It was an experimental Anime towards the end, and I think it offered enough of the big robot action up front to satisfy that niche, but it also did something extrodinarily experimental. It is really a testament to the type of story telling Anime can do, and even if some people didn't understand it, everyone was happy -more or less- with a show that dared to be bold and not just another copy of Gundam.

Not only that, EVA was the very first psychological piece which looked at multiple characters, and as much of his own personality which seeped into the show Anno made a very brilliant and personal work of art. After all isn't this what real art is? Sometimes we forget that Anime can be real art also. EVA pushed the boundaries, and it still is being discussed in forums like this years later! That's just plain cool.

Pika!

Rod G

04-14-2006, 10:26 PM

It's hard to tell just from the last ep, did Shinji accept or reject Instrumentality?

I believe he rejected instrumentality.

His rejection of instrumentality might be regarded his greatest victory.

(But that's just me.)

Crinos

04-14-2006, 10:35 PM

I believe he rejected instrumentality.

His rejection of instrumentality might be regarded his greatest victory.

(But that's just me.)

I thought he rejected the aritifical world he created to help him shun contact with others. When he broke out he joined the instrumentality the other were in, hence the congtatulations.

Even at the beginning it said it would take too long to show the whole thing, so they just showed Shinji's POV of it.

Presumably, everyone else went through the self psychoanalyzing thing like Shinji did to help them clean out their respective closets so they could eventually merge together into the super collective.

At least, thats what I got out of it.

The Real Nemo

04-14-2006, 10:47 PM

I thought he rejected the aritifical world he created to help him shun contact with others. When he broke out he joined the instrumentality the other were in, hence the congtatulations.

Even at the beginning it said it would take too long to show the whole thing, so they just showed Shinji's POV of it.

Presumably, everyone else went through the self psychoanalyzing thing like Shinji did to help them clean out their respective closets so they could eventually merge together into the super collective.

At least, thats what I got out of it.
I've heard it's shown in the movie though (and seemed to be implied in the TV series as well) that more than just becoming a part of Instrumentality Shinji actually ended up controlling it, which is what Gendo had wanted to do all along.

Crinos

04-14-2006, 10:53 PM

I've heard it's shown in the movie though (and seemed to be implied in the TV series as well) that more than just becoming a part of Instrumentality Shinji actually ended up controlling it, which is what Gendo had wanted to do all along.

Yeah, well, I officially consider the movie to be about as canon is DBGT is to DBZ.

Considering Anno created it as a big FU to the giant robo fans who didnt get the series official end.

Inkthinker

04-14-2006, 10:55 PM

I've heard it's shown in the movie though (and seemed to be implied in the TV series as well) that more than just becoming a part of Instrumentality Shinji actually ended up controlling it, which is what Gendo had wanted to do all along.

See, I thought the ending of EOE was that Shinji rejects Instrumentality, ultimately because he's too much of a self-loathing jackas to take the final step. Hence he retains his form when the rest of mankind and joined conciousnesses and left their bodies behind as puddles of LCL (though I don't recall how any of that explains Asuka's ressurection, assuming it really was her and not something created based on Shinji's perception of her, which is of course one of disgust).

Whatever... I hated EOE espescially. It re-established Shinji as the biggest whiny little bitch in all of anime, who spends the entire film either whacking off over a comatose girl or crying under the stairs as everyone else gets killed.

It seems like Anno really wanted Shinji to be despicable, perhaps as some sort of representation of all the otaku who gave him crap over the final episodes of the series. And if that was his intention, then he succeeded mightily. I'm glad he got his "revenge", but it's a shame that in doing so he essentially makes a mess out of the show for anyone who wasn't involved in the whole fandom issue, they just wanted a good, entertaining story to follow.

The Real Nemo

04-14-2006, 11:03 PM

Yeah, well, I officially consider the movie to be about as canon is DBGT is to DBZ.

Considering Anno created it as a big FU to the giant robo fans who didnt get the series official end.
See, I thought the ending of EOE was that Shinji rejects Instrumentality, ultimately because he's too much of a self-loathing jackas to take the final step. Hence he retains his form when the rest of mankind and joined conciousnesses and left their bodies behind as puddles of LCL (though I don't recall how any of that explains Asuka's ressurection, assuming it really was her and not something created based on Shinji's perception of her, which is of course one of disgust).

Whatever... I hated EOE espescially. It re-established Shinji as the biggest whiny little bitch in all of anime, who spends the entire film either whacking off over a comatose girl or crying under the stairs as everyone else gets killed.

It seems like Anno really wanted Shinji to be despicable, perhaps as some sort of representation of all the otaku who gave him crap over the final episodes of the series. And if that was his intention, then he succeeded mightily. I'm glad he got his "revenge", but it's a shame that in doing so he essentially makes a mess out of the show for anyone who wasn't involved in the whole fandom issue, they just wanted a good, entertaining story to follow.
But um, hasn't SEELE's forcing Instrumentality on everyone been portrayed all along as a bad thing?

Zun Liako

04-14-2006, 11:42 PM

Yeah, well, I officially consider the movie to be about as canon is DBGT is to DBZ.

Considering Anno created it as a big FU to the giant robo fans who didnt get the series official end.

This is a misnomer, you can see the Eva-02 vs MP EVA production sketches in "next episode" segment of 24. Was alot of it a bit extreme? Of course, but the way the movie was ended doesn't have any contradictions to the rest of the series. Anno and alot of others have repeatedly said it was never supposed to have been a response to the fans. He was naturally upset by some of the reaction he got but creating a whole movie to piss off people has been disproven in various interviews for a long time now

Note, I'm not pointing fingers at ya Crinos, this is a common thought among a ton of people, it's just a train of thought that's been recognized as right for a really long time and it simply isn't.

Buzz Dixon

04-15-2006, 12:25 AM

I just happened to finish watching ALL THAT JAZZ, Bob Fosse's semi-autobiographical film, which has a really weird structure of flash backs, flash forwards, fantasy segments, film-within-a-film, musical-within-a-film, etc.

How many people who have seen EVANGELION have seen this film as well? There is an interesting parrallel between the two, though I think it is a case of independent development, not direct influence.

Sandoz

04-15-2006, 01:08 AM

This is a misnomer, you can see the Eva-02 vs MP EVA production sketches in "next episode" segment of 24. Was alot of it a bit extreme? Of course, but the way the series was ended doesn't have any contradictions to the rest of the series. Anno and alot of others have repeatedly said it was never supposed to have been a response to the fans. He was naturally upset but some of the reaction he got but creating a whole movie to piss off people has been disproven in various interviews for a long time now

Note, I'm not pointing fingers at ya Crinos, this is a common thought among a ton of people, it's just a train of thought that's been recognized as right for a really long time and it simply isn't.
Thank you. The severe budget cuts and poor pacing issues prevented Anno from originally giving the series a "proper" conclusion. The idea that EoE was just one big "Eff You" also makes no sense when you take into consideration that Anno was heavily influenced by the works of "Kill 'Em All" Tomino and old school robot shows like Ideon (a show that featured not just the end of the world, but the end of the universe itself--and included a final scene that says "Congratulations to all the Children").

And certain scenes in episode 25 reveal dark events that occur fully in EoE such as the violent deaths of Misato and Ritsuko. Clearly, Anno had much of the story of EoE in mind when the last two episodes were produced, and long before fans started bitching.

The Blue Devil

04-15-2006, 01:23 AM

Know what my fav. part of EVA was? Ya know, before it started getting stupid: it was the Alt. Universe we were shown in Ep. 26. Come on, you can't get better then that. Plus, hearing Rei say what she said...YES!

Buzz Dixon

04-15-2006, 02:25 AM

Isn't there going to be an Alt. Universe series that will be a high school comedy w/o mecha and metaphysics, just plain ol' ordinary hi-skule hi-jinx? I seem to recall reading something about that in the last couple of weeks but can't remember where

The Blue Devil

04-15-2006, 02:28 AM

If there is then I'll be one happy fan. Espcially if it's with the Alt. EVA cast.

The Real Nemo

04-15-2006, 03:07 AM

Ryan K

04-15-2006, 09:43 AM

Isn't that the Evangelion: Angelic Days manga?

Yeah. They've been running individual chapters in Newtype USA for quite awhile. The first collected volume hits in May.

KameTen

04-15-2006, 08:29 PM

This is a misnomer, you can see the Eva-02 vs MP EVA production sketches in "next episode" segment of 24. Was alot of it a bit extreme? Of course, but the way the movie was ended doesn't have any contradictions to the rest of the series. Anno and alot of others have repeatedly said it was never supposed to have been a response to the fans. He was naturally upset by some of the reaction he got but creating a whole movie to piss off people has been disproven in various interviews for a long time now

Note, I'm not pointing fingers at ya Crinos, this is a common thought among a ton of people, it's just a train of thought that's been recognized as right for a really long time and it simply isn't.

Looking at what happened throughout the thing, from Shinji's backwards character progression to the giant Rei, its hard not to believe that the thing isn't either a parody or Anno attacking his fans. Dark endings are one thing, but it all felt absurd and kinda insulting.

MKTerra

04-26-2006, 06:01 PM

Hehe... Shinji's train of thought at the end (http://shinjismind.ytmnd.com/) :p

The Real Nemo

04-26-2006, 08:53 PM

I personally think Shinji rejected Instrumentality in episode 26, and I know he did in End of Eva now that I've seen it. That part I'm happy about at least since I hate the whole Instrumentality concept...

Inkthinker

04-28-2006, 12:09 PM

But um, hasn't SEELE's forcing Instrumentality on everyone been portrayed all along as a bad thing?

Well... insofar as Instrumentality means the destruction of the human race as we know it, then it might be, but ideally Instrumentality was supposed to be an evolution of humanity. Everything we know of and think of as "human" is gone, but what remains is something in which every soul knows and understands exactly what every other soul feels. Humanity becomes "one", and in doing so achieves peace and tranquility in a new form of existence, leaving behind the mortal form and becoming pure energy.

Me, I like my individuality and physical existence, so yeah... don't think I'd much care for it. But I think it's not supposed to be so easy as "good/bad".

The Real Nemo

04-28-2006, 04:38 PM

Well... insofar as Instrumentality means the destruction of the human race as we know it, then it might be, but ideally Instrumentality was supposed to be an evolution of humanity. Everything we know of and think of as "human" is gone, but what remains is something in which every soul knows and understands exactly what every other soul feels. Humanity becomes "one", and in doing so achieves peace and tranquility in a new form of existence, leaving behind the mortal form and becoming pure energy.

Me, I like my individuality and physical existence, so yeah... don't think I'd much care for it. But I think it's not supposed to be so easy as "good/bad".
SEELE themselves have pretty much always been portrayed in a negative light though...

The Real Nemo

04-30-2006, 12:56 AM

BTW, any thoughts on the visored, metal-spined leader of SEELE Keel Lorentz? I read a fanfic once where the very personality and force of will which made him capable of orchestrating the events that lead up to Instrumentality ironically made him the only one incapable of entering it much to his horror, the AT Field he'd created for himself was just too strong to be broken. He ended up being left all alone in the world with his crippled body in that version, I thought it was a pretty fitting punishment for someone like him...

Rachel Grey

04-30-2006, 02:11 AM

lol nice!

There have been a few theories floating around that he was the Wandering Jew.

If it means anything to you guys most of the ADV peeps who know of those theories are like 'WTF?! Uhhh.... No.' :p

J'onn J'onzz

04-30-2006, 09:56 AM

Am I the only one who thinks that it's strange to progress from TV-PG to TV-MA? I understand TV-14 to TV-MA and TV-PG to TV-14 but on seperate shows not on one series.

Citizen V

05-01-2006, 07:09 PM

With Eva,its hard to put it into ratings.I thought the PG was a good thing,but then again that would not really keep anyone from watching it.But there were scenes where kids could not see it,such as when Eva-03 was torn to pieces and blood was everywhere.

Citizen V

05-24-2006, 11:29 AM

I remembered once hearing about a new Evangelion series or such.It had new characters,and a theme.Does anyone know what i mean?

OverMaster

05-24-2006, 12:29 PM

I remembered once hearing about a new Evangelion series or such.It had new characters,and a theme.Does anyone know what i mean?

They were probably talking about the second manga series, Angelic Days.

Aelo

05-24-2006, 01:45 PM

They were probably talking about the second manga series, Angelic Days.

Second manga series? I haven't even finished the first one yet...

Sandoz

05-24-2006, 06:20 PM

I remembered once hearing about a new Evangelion series or such.It had new characters,and a theme.Does anyone know what i mean?
There is no new Evangelion series, other than the live-action movie which is stuck in development hell.

Evangelion: Angelic Days has the same cast of characters, but it occurs in the alternate universe briefly seen in ep. 26 (though in the case of a few characters, Rei particularly, they might as well be completely new).

Citizen V

05-25-2006, 07:11 PM

Melchior

05-25-2006, 07:50 PM

What was the music on the tape that Shinji often listened to?

Why did Asuka`s mother commit suicide?

Where there any plans for Children/Evas past 05? *Excluding the mass production models.Seen in EoE*

Unknown. Never heard clearly enough to identify, though I think most assume its classical. If anyone knows differently, let me know!

Asuka's mom killed the dolly and herself because her soul was ripped out/copied into Unit 02. She was about as sane as a march hare. Probably happened because they tried to avoid the same things that led to Ikari Yui being completely absorbed, and they didn't quite work out. Since none of the other 4th level candidates (Shinji's classmates) apparently had mothers, I guess they never managed to fix that part.

The Mass Production models were Units 05-13. I assume that the other candidates were kept handy if there were problems with the dummy plug system or if one of the normal Children died, possibly from outside influences.

Sanagi

05-25-2006, 08:05 PM

If I recall correctly, Shinji listened to two or three different tapes during the series. All I know for sure is in episode 24 it's quite obviously Beethoven's 9th, the same music Kawaru hums earlier on, and heard later in the soundtrack.

Citizen V

06-16-2006, 08:36 AM

Upon watching a certian scene in Eva,i ponder the question...

Did Misato want to have sex... with Pen-Pen?

Misato: ...... Shinji-kun. Right now, this is all I can do for you.
http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-23/23_C214_npc_b.jpg
Shinji: Stop it!
A lot of people here have labeled this bit with Shinji as Misato very obviously trying to or at least thinking about having sex with him, and I do believe that, but when I pointed that out to people when I was watching it with them, they laughed very much at the bit immediately following:
---Moments later---
http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-23/23_C220_npc_d.jpg
Misato: Pen-pen, come here.
http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-23/23_C221_npc_b.jpg
Pen-Pen looks up then ignores her.
http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-23/23_C223_npc.jpg
Misato: (voice) I see, anyone will do...... I'm the one who's lonely

Sanagi

06-16-2006, 06:27 PM

I think it's reading a bit much into the scene to assume that Misato wanted anything more than attention...

But on the other hand, penguins have been known to withhold sex when they're grumpy.

Murrocko

06-16-2006, 07:32 PM

Ok, just started wacthing the anime recently. Seems pretty cool and all, but then I hear sounding a little ... nasty.

In one of the movie thing, the main character, Shinji I believe, masturbates over a comatose girl ....... what the fuck!?!

I've only seen two or three episodes of the actual series, should I be prepared for some kinky stuff from the series or was what I was told incorrect?

The Xenos

06-16-2006, 08:11 PM

I dunno about kinky, but definatley weird. It has frank discussion about sexuality and all sorts of psychological aspects of various human interaction. All while also dealing with other heavy stuff like spirituality and hypothetical mathemetical pocket realities.

Sandoz

06-17-2006, 12:06 PM

I dunno about kinky, but definatley weird. It has frank discussion about sexuality and all sorts of psychological aspects of various human interaction.
Yeah. There are a couple sex scenes later in the series/films and the main character's complicated sexual awakening is an important aspect of the series, but it really isn't "kinky." The infamous hospital scene is really the only moment of its kind, and was there mainly for shock value.

Murrocko

06-17-2006, 02:56 PM

So it's true. What exactly happened with that?

Also is the ending of this series as confusing as I hear it was?

Nik Hasta

06-17-2006, 03:32 PM

I would tell what it was about but it contains many spoilers so I won't unless directly requested to.
Yes the ending is confusing but understandable. I got it when I was stoned.

Citizen V

06-17-2006, 06:26 PM

In one of the movie thing, the main character, Shinji I believe, masturbates over a comatose girl ....... what the fuck!?!

There is nothing "kinky" about this.There is alot of reasons or theories as to why Shinji did this,in EoE Shinji masturbates to a unconscious Asuka laying on a hospital bed,while this does not spoil anything.Some do ask...why?.

Theories range from Shinji just being sexually frustrated,to him having a secret crush on Asuka.Personally,im not sure there is a right answer.

Sandoz

06-17-2006, 07:21 PM

So it's true. What exactly happened with that?
Spoiler tags for those who haven't seen the movie: Asuka is catatonic, and Shinji visits her in the hospital. Recent events have pretty much driven him to the breaking point; he starts shaking Asuka violently, telling her to wake up. He accidently rips open her blouse, and her breasts are exposed. Shinji then masturbates over her body, looks at his wet hand, and says what the audience is thinking: "I'm so fucked up."

So, yeah, Shinji was not in his right mind when he did it, and he regrets it immediately. He was depressed, disturbed, and in need of some kind of pleasure or escape. He was also sexually frustrated and struggling with his attraction to Asuka, an "unreachable" girl who was suddenly vulnerable. All of those complicated and painful feelings collided, and Shinji did something disgusting and stupid. He thought it would give him some kind of relief, but all it did was increase his self-loathing.

Murrocko

06-17-2006, 09:08 PM

Spoiler tags for those who haven't seen the movie: Asuka is catatonic, and Shinji visits her in the hospital. Recent events have pretty much driven him to the breaking point; he starts shaking Asuka violently, telling her to wake up. He accidently rips open her blouse, and her breasts are exposed. Shinji then masturbates over her body, looks at his wet hand, and says what the audience is thinking: "I'm so fucked up."

So, yeah, Shinji was not in his right mind when he did it, and he regrets it immediately. He was depressed, disturbed, and in need of some kind of pleasure or escape. He was also sexually frustrated and struggling with his attraction to Asuka, an "unreachable" girl who was suddenly vulnerable. All of those complicated and painful feelings collided, and Shinji did something disgusting and stupid. He thought it would give him some kind of relief, but all it did was increase his self-loathing.
Ah, makes sense .... I guess.

KameTen

06-18-2006, 01:14 AM

There is nothing "kinky" about this.There is alot of reasons or theories as to why Shinji did this,in EoE Shinji masturbates to a unconscious Asuka laying on a hospital bed,while this does not spoil anything.Some do ask...why?.

Theories range from Shinji just being sexually frustrated,to him having a secret crush on Asuka.Personally,im not sure there is a right answer.

Its called character assassination;) Or deconstruction, but I call it character assassination.

A lot of it went around after Toji was seriously injured.

The Xenos

06-18-2006, 12:15 PM

KameTen

06-18-2006, 02:09 PM

I'd say it's more like everyone finally snapping and going nuts. Did you see the crazy crap these people went through? I really wouldn't call it character assasinations. I just think everyone starts snapping.

Its just that the characters showed so much more resolve and growth before the incident with Toji. To see it all go down the toilet, after all they've been through, just seems to be a betrayal of the potential they all had. And to see Shinji come out of the shell he was in for the first episode, only to watch him regress to something far worse post-Toji than he came in was one of the reasons why I first hated the character so much.

Citizen V

06-18-2006, 06:11 PM

I'd say it's more like everyone finally snapping and going nuts. Did you see the crazy crap these people went through? I really wouldn't call it character assasinations. I just think everyone starts snapping.

That`s what Eva is known for,the ground breaking scenarios the characters are put through.As for the characters going insane?Im not really sure about that,in EoE they might have.Some of the characters did look a bit tense in the end,i wont spoil it and say why.

Shinji`s persona is that of the Japanese youth in the 90`s.This is why so many Japanese boys could assioate themselfs with him,and his problems and such.

OverMaster

09-09-2006, 07:05 AM

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From Anime News Source:

Apparent scans from the October, 2006 issue of the Japanese edition of Newtype Magazine (not officially due out on shelves until this wekeend) have appeared online, backing up almost word for word the information reported below. Images Copyright (c) Kadokawashoten 2006 / (c) GAINAX - Khara / Project Eva The title for the new film series is "Evangelion Shin Gekijou Ban", it will consist of 4 parts (First volume, Second part, Latter part and Final story) with the first part arriving in Japanese theaters in early summer, 2007. Staff include General Supervisor: Hideaki Anno, Director: Tsurumaki Kazuya , Character Design: Yoshiyuki Sadamoto, Mecha Design: Ikuto Yamashita, Animation Production: Khara (Color) Studio. The scenario of the 1st part will be written by Hideaki Anno with storyboard by Shinji Higuchi. Key points of an interview in the magazine with Toshimichi Ohtsuki of King Records have also been circulating. According to that information:
-The content is quite different though the time base of the story is the same as the original TV series.
- It will be a remake, however, it is not a re-creation but a "new work".
- The approach will be different than what Tomino-san did with the Gundam Z New Translation films, there will apparantly be a large amount of new material.
- Even if the TV series has not be seen, the viewer will be able to enjoy it. Though the content becomes easy, it is not redundant to those already familiar with the series.
- The technique that purposely scatters difficult words and phrases will not be used any longer.
- As an antithesis to current animation industry segments, it is an attitude on the production side to pull the act in the age that started from Eva.

T51R

09-09-2006, 07:08 AM

Lets hope they put some better bits in there. Liek what you were describing about "girlfriend of steel." :D

Ryan K

09-09-2006, 11:00 AM

OK, I must be behind on my news or something. What is this exactly? 4 new NGE movies of some sort?

Sandoz

09-09-2006, 02:08 PM

OK, I must be behind on my news or something. What is this exactly? 4 new NGE movies of some sort?
Yes, four new movies. A prequel, a mid-series movie, a sequel, and a "final" movie (though I don't know how it could be any more final than End of Evangelion).

The Mirrorball Man

09-09-2006, 02:20 PM

(though I don't know how it could be any more final than End of Evangelion).
I gather you're not a fan of the "Friday the 13th" series?

OverMaster

09-09-2006, 02:30 PM

(though I don't know how it could be any more final than End of Evangelion).

I'll say here what I said over at Toon Zone:

After the End of Evangelion, Shinji and Asuka roam the post Apocalyptic wastelands, protecting the innocent and punishing evildoers with their Fist of the Angel Star!

Hey, I can dream, can't I?

Sanagi

09-09-2006, 05:26 PM

So things come full circle, with Evangelion finally imitating Final Fantasy 7 and shamelessly cashing in.

Okay, I guess it's possible this won't be a huge waste of time. It's possible that this won't be anime's version of the Star Wars special editions. But I only say that because Gainax is known for defying expectations.

Paploo the Ewok

09-09-2006, 07:47 PM

Well, it was going to happen one way or the other eventually. I'm surprised it didn't happen earlier.

Now let's hope it's either
a) Mind blowingly GOOD
or
b) Mind numbingly BAD

Both of which'ld make it extremely entertaining!

Drew Van T.

09-10-2006, 04:32 AM

Now let's hope it's either
a) Mind blowingly GOOD
or
b) Mind numbingly BAD

But if instead it's a mediocre, generic post-apocalyptic tale...not horribly bad but just extremely plain and unoriginal...damn, that would suck.

Len Ikari145

09-10-2006, 08:42 AM

Shin Seiki Evangelion RETURNS!!! Run for Your Lives!!!

(takes off screaming) AHHHHHHH!!!!!! WE'RE GONNA DIE!

Drew Van T.

09-10-2006, 09:19 AM

(takes off screaming) AHHHHHHH!!!!!! WE'RE GONNA DIE!

Somebody better put in a call to the United Nations, in any case. It's time to create that planetary defense force... :D

Len Ikari145

09-10-2006, 09:39 AM

Yes, four new movies. A prequel, a mid-series movie, a sequel, and a "final" movie (though I don't know how it could be any more final than End of Evangelion).

Well, it was said that those who had a strong enough will to live in the real world would return from the LCL(so, that's probably going to be explored further in the sequel and Final movie). That, and we can see if Shinji didn't reconsider the whole "strangling Asuka" thing.:p

The Xenos

09-10-2006, 03:41 PM

I really don't know what to think about all this.

That's like adding new chapters to the Bible! I really didn't expect this. Mind you, Evangelion became like a second religion to me in highschool. (Actually, I still think it's a better religion than, oh, say, Scientology.) Evangelion was possibly the biggest fandom personally I got into.

Yet I thought things were officially done with it. I was even happy with that. I thought all that was left was endless merchendising and countless fan continuations and parodies (http://www.evangelion-armageddon.com/Grafiken/antidote.jpg).

Now it seems Anno and Gainax has more official story to tell. Well, hell, count me in.

Ryan K

09-10-2006, 05:52 PM

Sean Whitmore

09-10-2006, 06:13 PM

Yes, four new movies. A prequel, a mid-series movie, a sequel, and a "final" movie (though I don't know how it could be any more final than End of Evangelion).

A prequel movie is a great idea. I'd love to see some more of the characters' lives before they came to NERV.

A mid-series movie could be good, though it baffles me as to what the conflict would be. "Oh no, it's Angel 9.5!" Or maybe, "Look, the 5th Angel came back again!" Personally, I would love it if it were in the more goofy, light-hearted vein as the first half of the series.

The two sequels...I just can't even imagine. How do you come back from that?

(I'll admit I started writing a sequel series years ago, when I first saw NGE, but it was goofy as hell)

SEAN

Sean Whitmore

09-10-2006, 06:14 PM

Thats pretty much my reaction. Its kind of bizarre and everything, but I'll be first in line at the DVD store. Which considering the first of these will come out in Japan in summer 2007, will be late 2008 or so. Damn.

You could always be first in the queue at whatever-the-euphemism-is-we're-currently-using-for-you-know-what. ;)

SEAN

Buzz Dixon

09-10-2006, 07:20 PM

I really don't know what to think about all this.

That's like adding new chapters to the Bible!Think of it as the Book of Mormon. ;)

yeoman

09-11-2006, 12:40 PM

A prequel movie is a great idea. I'd love to see some more of the characters' lives before they came to NERV.

A mid-series movie could be good, though it baffles me as to what the conflict would be. "Oh no, it's Angel 9.5!" Or maybe, "Look, the 5th Angel came back again!" Personally, I would love it if it were in the more goofy, light-hearted vein as the first half of the series.

This is Eva. I'm putting my money on an hour of Shinji reading Terry Pratchett Books.

And that's it.

Though in my personal world the Elric brothers then stop by and beat the crap out of him for being a whiney little ***** with a life they'd love to have.

Sean Whitmore

09-11-2006, 12:46 PM

This is Eva. I'm putting my money on an hour of Shinji reading Terry Pratchett Books.

And that's it.

Though in my personal world the Elric brothers then stop by and beat the crap out of him for being a whiney little ***** with a life they'd love to have.

Ahh, the Elrics are just jealous of anyone who's got all their arms and legs.

They'd probably like Tohji. :D

SEAN

Len Ikari145

09-11-2006, 01:50 PM

Ahh, the Elrics are just jealous of anyone who's got all their arms and legs.

They'd probably like Tohji. :D

SEAN

Or anyone who's taller than Ed(hell, even Rei's taller than Edward and she's technically the shortest of the Eva pilots.:p )

Melchior

09-12-2006, 02:08 AM

Strangely, despite being a pretty massive EVA fan, I really cannot seem to drum up any excitement about the movies. I do hope there are kind of like the Zeta remakes at the least.

The funniest joke I have heard is that they are going to animate the EVA Re-Take doujinshi. That would be.... interesting, to say the least.

MKTerra

09-12-2006, 01:02 PM

The funniest joke I have heard is that they are going to animate the EVA Re-Take doujinshi. That would be.... interesting, to say the least.Worse things could happen... :p

Rachel Grey

09-13-2006, 01:44 AM

Interesting!

Still, the mentioned post-EoE thing makes me think of the following:

Asuka: Shinji, I'm bored, all we do is have sex on this beach.

Shinji: Would you prefer the rubble? Or the sea with Rei's giant, decompsing head?

Drew Van T.

09-13-2006, 05:02 AM

Asuka: Shinji, I'm bored, all we do is have sex on the beach.

Now how the heck can they be drinking cocktails in that post-apocalyptic wasteland?? :p ;)

OverMaster

09-13-2006, 06:09 AM

Now how the heck can they be drinking cocktails in that post-apocalyptic wasteland?? :p ;)

Cocktails made of giant dead Rei's blood!

T51R

09-13-2006, 07:37 AM

Cocktails made of giant dead Rei's blood!

While having sex near the beach. On giant dead Rei's FOREHEAD! :D :D :D

Sheldon

09-13-2006, 09:24 AM

Indeed, the destruction that Giant Naked Rei will unleash upon will be cause for mass panic.

OverMaster

09-13-2006, 12:26 PM

While having sex near the beach. On giant dead Rei's FOREHEAD! :D :D :D

Poor Rei, that has to be the worst PWNING ever.

Drew Van T.

09-13-2006, 01:09 PM

Indeed, the destruction that Giant Naked Rei will unleash upon will be cause for mass panic.

Giant Naked Genitalia-less Rei.

(even more disturbing...in a way...)

This is getting to be a pretty hentai thread. This is appropriate, however, considering how much Evangelion is preoccupied with - among other things - the eros of the human psyche.

Sean Whitmore

09-13-2006, 03:57 PM

This is getting to be a pretty hentai thread. This is appropriate, however, considering how much Evangelion is preoccupied with - among other things - the eros of the human psyche.

And penguins.

SEAN

Len Ikari145

09-13-2006, 05:11 PM

Of course, Pen-Pen was Hideaki Anno all along! Why didn't I realize this sooner?

Hikari Tsukishiro

09-13-2006, 10:03 PM

The Xenos

09-13-2006, 11:55 PM

Um..... What Rei figures? I don't have any Rei figures. you didn't look in that closed cabinet in my room did you? That's my private space!! You had no right to look in there! I swear the clthes fell off those and got lost! I didn't have any other place to put my candles. Um.. yeah.. that blue hair is from a wig and not a real person. No, you should ignore those sounds coming from the closet. Leave now.

OverMaster

09-14-2006, 07:16 AM

And penguins.

SEAN

If you ask me, EVA needed more Pen Pen. Let's just hope they deliver more of his waddling pointless badassness now. :)

Also, we need to see this in motion:

Drew Van T.

09-14-2006, 08:56 AM

Of course, Pen-Pen was Hideaki Anno all along! Why didn't I realize this sooner?

Is that why the penguin had red hair? :confused:

MKTerra

09-14-2006, 09:29 PM

Giant Naked Genitalia-less Rei.

(even more disturbing...in a way...)I recall a picture showing she had vaginas in her hands, actually. Can't seem to find it though...

T51R

09-14-2006, 10:27 PM

If you ask me, EVA needed more Pen Pen. Let's just hope they deliver more of his waddling pointless badassness now. :)

Also, we need to see this in motion:

Misato in her own EVA!? Dude, judging by the way she drives her damned car and how she handles herself in a fight, she'd give Awakened Asuka a run for her money in a HTH mech fight! She'd prolly even win based on fighting experience alone. Crotch-shot FTW.

Sean Whitmore

09-14-2006, 10:30 PM

Misato in her own EVA!? Dude, judging by the way she drives her damned car and how she handles herself in a fight, she'd give Awakened Asuka a run for her money in a HTH mech fight! She'd prolly even win based on fighting experience alone. Crotch-shot FTW.

The EVA and the pilot are linked, right? Misato's blood alcohol level might kill the poor monster stone dead.

And if not...drunken EVA smackdown! I'd buy that for a dollar.

SEAN

T51R

09-14-2006, 10:40 PM

Lmfao, Nerv Special Technique: Drunken Master Green Fairy Fist!!!:d :d :d

Drew Van T.

09-15-2006, 05:39 AM

The EVA and the pilot are linked, right? Misato's blood alcohol level might kill the poor monster stone dead.

She'd probably contaminate the liquid inside her tube-cabin too fast, anyway. It's just not designed for alcoholics...

OverMaster

09-15-2006, 06:10 AM

Misato in her own EVA!? Dude, judging by the way she drives her damned car and how she handles herself in a fight, she'd give Awakened Asuka a run for her money in a HTH mech fight! She'd prolly even win based on fighting experience alone. Crotch-shot FTW.

Uhhh... actually, the girl in the plugsuit there is Hikari Horaki, the class representative, Asuka's friend (aka The Girl with the Saint's Patience), and Touji's love interest.

T51R

09-15-2006, 06:40 AM

Uhhh... actually, the girl in the plugsuit there is Hikari Horaki, the class representative, Asuka's friend (aka The Girl with the Saint's Patience), and Touji's love interest.

Damn, forgot all about her. Lucky for the Eva then!:D

Buzz Dixon

09-15-2006, 09:32 AM

I recall a picture showing she had vaginas in her hands, actually. :eek:
Every teenage boy's dream...;) :D

BigBoss

09-15-2006, 10:18 AM

what the hell I mean come on I am a evangelion expert what the hell can you do with a sequel and a final. I mean whats asuka and shinja going to do. askua so what do you think of everybody being dead and we are the last peopl on the world. askua says. oh it aint to bad I think overexaterated a little bit though. living with the one person I hated in the entire seris all alon isint that bad. shinji says sooo askua you really got your ass kicked out there by those angels didint you. yea but it kinda fely goood. shinji says what the hell. and that leaves open for a notheer sequel.

BigBoss

09-15-2006, 10:20 AM

BigBoss

09-15-2006, 10:23 AM

The EVA and the pilot are linked, right? Misato's blood alcohol level might kill the poor monster stone dead.

And if not...drunken EVA smackdown! I'd buy that for a dollar.

SEAN
we tribute to you robocop.

OverMaster

09-15-2006, 12:25 PM

I was gonna say something like that but I didint know that this site allowed to talk about sex.

Well, as long as you aren't too vulgar and don't write profanities, I guess you'd be safe.

Rachel Grey

09-16-2006, 02:31 AM

Misato in her own EVA!? Dude, judging by the way she drives her damned car and how she handles herself in a fight, she'd give Awakened Asuka a run for her money in a HTH mech fight! She'd prolly even win based on fighting experience alone. Crotch-shot FTW.

Ritsuko: .... Drunken berserker?!

Kaji: Okay, I'm scared now. And coming from a dead man that's quite a feat.

T51R

09-16-2006, 08:18 AM

Ritsuko: .... Drunken berserker?!

Kaji: Okay, I'm scared now. And coming from a dead man that's quite a feat.

SEELE Chairman: "That's impossible....it can't be...the FIST OF THE GREEN FAIRY!?"

Misato: *in a drunken stupor, has her Eva hit Sachiel 1000 times in 3 seconds, and then stick its thumbs into its temples*

On-screen text: GREEN FAIRY FIST SECRET TECHNIQUE 133...HOKUTO BARFO-KEN!

Misato: "The moment I remove my thumbs from your head, you'll experience a massive hangover and spew for THREE DAYS STRAIGHT!" *pop*

Sachiel: "BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGH... ."

:D

Citizen V

09-16-2006, 06:12 PM

Ive been hearing rumors of addtional Eva episodes,is this true?Ive read some people`s reactions to these new additions to Eva,and not all are happy with it..

Rachel Grey

09-17-2006, 12:09 AM

I'm interested to see what happens. I'll judge later whether it was cool or not.

G_Man

09-17-2006, 09:22 PM

:eek:
Every teenage boy's dream...;) :D

*vomits all over Buzz* Not even my very worst Freudian dreams, thank you very damn much! I like's my womens' crotches right where they're supposed to be! :eek:

Len Ikari145

09-17-2006, 09:26 PM

*vomits all over Buzz* Not even my very worst Freudian dreams, thank you very damn much! I like's my womens' crotches right where they're supposed to be! :eek:

Wuss. She's just more woman than you can handle.:D

The Xenos

09-18-2006, 12:11 AM

jtstellar

09-28-2006, 02:54 PM

I remember my friend who showed me End of Evangelion said the sexual imagry and Freudian ideas just went nuts in the movie. In particular he enjoyed (Spoiler?) the scene when the MP Evas with Rei's face started impaling themselves with the phallic lances and started moaning orgasmicly(End Spoiler?).

Hell, is it a spoiler if the damn scene made no sense?

dude.. it's a "pain" moan.. is that why american movies always need these "drama elements".. if they dont make it obvious enough some of you guys always misinterpret. I feel fortunate that asian culture lacks the long history of western-style-like theatrics.. look how hollywood has turned out. the real voiceactors are not being nearly as nauseous and noisy as the dubs because they don't try to overstress the self-imagined "drama" stuff in their acting.. which makes it easier for us to focus on whatever the show as a whole is trying to express at the moment, without being distracted by incomprehensible increases of volume here and there. It just seems more natural for us to follow when the voice actors don't try to be smartasses. reality beats drama.. and you were wondering why anime were popular? cus they were never meant to be expressed as mere fantasies.. the directors never cease their effort in making their work look like a sincere "alternate reality". western theatrics sux.. their plays never refine the details about the "reality" part.. that's why I could study their tests and get an A without really giving a crap whether the protagonist dies or not. So goddam fake. and their movies today suck even more.. that's the sad part

Joeman12

10-08-2006, 06:08 PM

Shinji's a wuss, but he kicks ass with Eva unit 01. One time I was just like him, but not 24/7.:mad: Get some balls Emo Boy and be a man for once. Toji should beat his ass some more. Along with Naruto, Luffy, Kazuma, Edward, Ichigo, and the rest of the Shonen Heroes that love life. Teach Shinji some self esteem issues or something.

Misato has got to be the coolest Single woman in the world. Ritzsuki's not to shabby either.

Rei's cool but to evangelic, nuff said.

Ikari sucks, like his son.

Asuka would be Miasato's little sister if they were related.

Evangelion, one of my fav animes, because I was depressed also. This made me relize my life doesn't suck.

Citizen V

01-25-2007, 07:11 PM

BigBoss

01-27-2007, 10:47 AM

any more news on those? I left these forums tooooo long. and so i not updated on anything. anyways can u guys give me some info?

SoulStar

02-03-2007, 02:11 AM

From what i hear,a remake is being done of Evangelion to make its plot more "understandable".Personally i think Eva was great for its complexity,and if this is true..then i dont know what to think.Is this true?

Oh crap no! They better not touch EVa again! It's a freakin' classic, and I love the fact that it screwed with my mind. That's what made me want to watch it more. Eva doesn't need a stupid remake. What I personally think it needs is a sequel to the series to help further surpass it. All new characters,all new stories, more crazy psychobable linked to religion in some form, and the same Evas to help us still be in contact with some part of the original series.If studio gainax really wants to prove they have balls, I would love it if they can get most of the oriignal staff from the original and bring back the classic series with those ideas. There I said my peace.

DoctorDoom

02-10-2007, 04:55 PM

I for one will definitely buy the remake.

Zelgadis

02-12-2007, 11:28 PM

Evangelion is possibly the greatest anime ever

Sanagi

02-13-2007, 02:46 AM

The book Little Boy (http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/book.asp?isbn=0300102852) called Evangelion the ultimate work of otaku culture(in the Japanese sense of the word otaku - a reclusive, obsessive nerd). Not only is it a celebration and deconstruction of otaku themes, the protagonist is the otaku as anti-hero. The monsters of the story are less frightening than social contact.

Zelgadis

02-14-2007, 07:49 PM

A question, Is Gendo Ikari a christian?

Cleric of Hell's Brigade

03-23-2007, 08:17 AM

Len Ikari145

03-23-2007, 12:04 PM

Here's an interesting Neon Genesis Evangelion point.

The voice actor who played Rei Ayanami in the english dub of NGE married the voice actor who played Shigeru Aoba in the english dub of NGE.

The voice actor who played Asuka Langley Soryu in the english dub og NGE married the voice actor who played Makoto Hyuga in the english dub of NGE.

The voice actor who played Shinji Ikari in the english dub of NGE married the voice actor who played Maya Ibuki in the english dub of NGE.

That's kind of weird, but cool.

Coincidentally, if you're a Blue Seed fan, Rei's english actress also plays Momiji and her husband was the voice actor who originally played Mamoru Kusanagi[in the TV series, not the OAV that was released years later] (this is before they were married). It was even said that they had a plastic model of Momiji and Kusanagi on top of their wedding cake.

Indeed, 'tis strange but cool nonetheless.:D

.

Cleric of Hell's Brigade

03-23-2007, 03:10 PM

Coincidentally, if you're a Blue Seed fan, Rei's english actress also plays Momiji and her husband was the voice actor who originally played Mamoru Kusanagi[in the TV series, not the OAV that was released years later] (this is before they were married). It was even said that they had a plastic model of Momiji and Kusanagi on top of their wedding cake.

Indeed, 'tis strange but cool nonetheless.:D

.

And yes, I am a Blue Seed fan.

Man, I wish Kusanagi got used more in Rumbles.:( Hmm, I wonder who would be a good match for him.....

Ranma, perhaps?

yeoman

03-23-2007, 04:37 PM

And yes, I am a Blue Seed fan.

Man, I wish Kusanagi got used more in Rumbles.:( Hmm, I wonder who would be a good match for him.....

Ranma, perhaps?

Depends on which power level he's at. The "fairly strong and pretty tough level" might match early to mid manga Ranma. Then there's the level where he was flying and shooting energy blasts.

The Xenos

03-23-2007, 10:19 PM

A question, Is Gendo Ikari a christian?

lol. I'm not quite sure how to answer that.

Let's see.. Evangelion mythology uses a mix of Christian, Jewish/Caballah, and general Eastern mythology and mystacism. They tossed those in a blender (with a book on Freud and Jung) and out came Evangelion.

Plus I wouldn't consider Gendo a Christian if only because he's one hell of a bastard and no one who truely follows Christ would do half the horrible s--- he does.

I really don't remember the part of the Gospel where Jesus says you should bring about the end of the world and kill everyone on the planet just so you can get back with your dead wife. Plus ten to one he was totally boinking a totally underage Rei... among others.

NeoSapien

03-23-2007, 11:54 PM

lol. I'm not quite sure how to answer that.

Let's see.. Evangelion mythology uses a mix of Christian, Jewish/Caballah, and general Eastern mythology and mystacism. They tossed those in a blender (with a book on Freud and Jung) and out came Evangelion.

Plus I wouldn't consider Gendo a Christian if only because he's one hell of a bastard and no one who truely follows Christ would do half the horrible s--- he does.

I really don't remember the part of the Gospel where Jesus says you should bring about the end of the world and kill everyone on the planet just so you can get back with your dead wife. Plus ten to one he was totally boinking a totally underage Rei... among others.

Actually I think that Gendo had no intention of bringing about the full Third Impact and destroying the world - he told SEELE "Death gives birth to nothing" and for that reason brought their wrath down on NERV. Third Impact just wound up as a bizarre combination of SEELE's plan and Gendo's plan occuring simultaneously with Rei/Lilith choosing Shinji over Gendo. So Gendo's plan was solely to put himself with Yui inside 01 and then take off into the cosmos or something; selfish, but not exactly evil, and it would have occured only after Gendo had finished saving the world from the Angels.

OverMaster

03-24-2007, 07:05 AM

Here's an interesting Neon Genesis Evangelion point.

The voice actor who played Rei Ayanami in the english dub of NGE married the voice actor who played Shigeru Aoba in the english dub of NGE.

The voice actor who played Asuka Langley Soryu in the english dub og NGE married the voice actor who played Makoto Hyuga in the english dub of NGE.

The voice actor who played Shinji Ikari in the english dub of NGE married the voice actor who played Maya Ibuki in the english dub of NGE.

That's kind of weird, but cool.

Heh. The guy who plays Shinji Ikari in the Mexican dub is the brother to the girl who plays Misty in Pokemon.

Also, he's the voice for Sasuke in the Mexican version of Naruto. Go figure.

Citizen V

03-24-2007, 07:24 PM

Im not going to ask how people know these sorts of things.

I dont think Gendo is Christian,but there were hints of that ideology in his thoughts.

Its argued that you need to know a few aspects of Christanity,mythology and Japanese belifs to truely know Evangelion.Morely in the refrences,and such.Like the names of the Angels,the refrences to God and the Impacts.

Citizen V

05-31-2007, 07:14 PM

Does anyone have any news on the Evangelion remake?

Michael P

06-01-2007, 02:01 AM

A question, Is Gendo Ikari a christian?

Speaking as a lapsed Lutheran who's only read 9 volumes of the manga, of course not. He shows no signs of believing in the divinity of Christ (in fact, it's worth noting that, while steeped heavily in an... interesting interpretation of sections of the Old Testament and the Revelation, Evangelion draws nothing from the Gospels, the backbone of Christianity), to say nothing of following his teachings.

Overall, Evangelion has about as much to do with actual Christianity as Harry Potter does with actual Wicca.

The Xenos

06-01-2007, 08:45 AM

Does anyone have any news on the Evangelion remake?

I just posted scans of the new Nerv logo image and other new Eva promo pics in my blog. Check it out.

http://www.comics2film.com/b/index.php?blog=11&title=a_little_evangelion_news_from_japan&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

What does everyone think of these redeigns?

Melchior

06-01-2007, 09:32 AM

I just posted scans of the new Nerv logo image and other new Eva promo pics in my blog. Check it out.

http://www.comics2film.com/b/index.php?blog=11&title=a_little_evangelion_news_from_japan&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

What does everyone think of these redeigns?

Interesting, though I think the NERV logo is a bit too busy now. I liked the plain apple-redesign they were floating around a bit ago better than this one.

Silver Knight

06-07-2007, 01:14 PM

lol. Plus ten to one he was totally boinking a totally underage Rei... among others.

Well its know he slept with Ritsuko several times, she even says it. Hwoever to make a leap towards Rei, that I dont know. Wouldnt put it past him, but still that would require a whole new level of dickery. Besides I think he and Rei's realationship was more Father daughter than anything, judging from how she reacts to him. Now Asuka and Kaji that was the real stagatory situation going on.

Speaking of which I dare anyone to find a better "player" in all of anime than Kaji. He practally had three women fawning over him and he broke down Misato and turned her into a freak I mean wow. In fact I smell a rumble...