Were Wanda and Pietro doomed by their upbringing?

[jmc247]

I was just re-reading House of M #7 and the issue makes a big point to consign the blame on Wanda and Pietro's return to villainy if you want to call it that on Magneto. That he ruined them forever when they were but teenagers with his single minded quest for mutant domination. I don't know, I guess I was a bit dubious about that point.

[Beast]

No, because they weren't even brought up by Magneto. So what was said about Magneto being the one at fault for Wanda and Pietro's life was complete nonsense. Other than Blaming Bendis, I'll just take it as Wanda being less than lucid at the time. Magneto isn't to blame at all for how Wanda and Pietro turned out, he didn't even have a hand in reaising them. They were adult when he found them, and didn't even know they were his kids.

[brundlefly]

No, because they weren't even brought up by Magneto. So what was said about Magneto being the one at fault for Wanda and Pietro's life was complete nonsense. Other than Blaming Bendis, I'll just take it as Wanda being less than lucid at the time. Magneto isn't to blame at all for how Wanda and Pietro turned out, he didn't even have a hand in reaising them. They were adult when he found them, and didn't even know they were his kids.

I was about to post the exact same thing, Beast. We seem to be of the same mind on that scene as just being more shoddy writing and lack of knowledge regarding Marvel history from Bendis.

[jmc247]

I was about to post the exact same thing, Beast. We seem to be of the same mind on that scene as just being more shoddy writing and lack of knowledge regarding Marvel history from Bendis.

Well the Scarlet Witch as a hero is pretty much impossible for at least a decade or two thanks to Bendis who turned her into Drusilla from Buffy. If it were up to me I would rebuild her character by having her live with her father for awhile or something, but not as the character we have seen of late.

[Daithi]

Well the Scarlet Witch as a hero is pretty much impossible for at least a decade or two thanks to Bendis who turned her into Drusilla from Buffy. If it were up to me I would rebuild her character by having her live with her father for awhile or something, but not as the character we have seen of late.

Nah I liked Dru. Even when she was torturing Angel I sometimes thought "well he does deserve it". I say it was a Wandabot that did the damage. Wanda's sleeping at the bottom of the Jamican Bay.

[jmc247]

Nah I liked Dru. Even when she was torturing Angel I sometimes thought "well he does deserve it". I say it was a Wandabot that did the damage. Wanda's sleeping at the bottom of the Jamican Bay.

It was actually Xorn's brother whose secondary mutantion it is to become a clone of Wanda.

[Gnarl]

I think Bendis got them confused with the Ultimate versions. To whom such an argument might apply.

Not researching the central characters of the whole series...blech. I mean, I like his Powers, but that was massively sloppy.

[Beast]

It's possible. He did the same thing with Carnage in New Avengers.

[Gnarl]

Yes, but...Carnage had about four panels as a disposable villain. The Lensherrs were the central cast of the whole HoM. Argh!

[DDM]

Their origins are revealed in The Avengers #185-187. However, the Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver did not know Magneto is their biological father until The Vision & Scarlet Witch #4 (first series); whereas, Magneto met his grandchildren in The Vision & Scarlet Witch #12 (second series). The Scarlet Witch retold her origin in The Avengers #234 to her fellow Avengers.

[Golon9977]

Other than Blaming Bendis

I was about to post the exact same thing, Beast. We seem to be of the same mind on that scene as just being more shoddy writing and lack of knowledge regarding Marvel history from Bendis.

Quicksilver has turned to villany numerous times. We have seen Scarlet Witch's dark side twice, long before Bendis got his hands on her. Its not a new concept that Bendis came up with.

[Beast]

Quicksilver has turned to villany numerous times. We have seen Scarlet Witch's dark side twice, long before Bendis got his hands on her. Its not a new concept that Bendis came up with.
We know this. We're referring to Bendis having Wanda blame who they are on how Magneto raised them.

[jmc247]

I think Bendis got them confused with the Ultimate versions. To whom such an argument might apply.


Now that you think about Magneto seemed alot like Ultimate Magneto in that scene where he was punishing his son by slaughtering him, it reminded me of that scene were Ultimate Mags cripples Pietro to punish him.

[Zombienorthstar]

Why you all blaming Bendis?

Its good writing. Maybe Wanda was wrong about it all being Magnetos fault. Well sometimes people blame things on their upbringing because they are weak...not everyone is always objective on that. Maybe it was easier for Wanda to say 'Wahh it was my dads fault' than face up to the fact her brother had done something bad.

It doesnt mean Bendis actually believes that. Hes just saying Wanda believes it.

[Gnarl]

Youd expect Wanda to know that she was raised by the Maximoffs, and didn't even meet Magneto before they were in their teens.

[Zombienorthstar]

Youd expect Wanda to know that she was raised by the Maximoffs, and didn't even meet Magneto before they were in their teens.

She does know that. But she irrationally blames Magneto for the bad way her life has gone. She is using Mags as an excuse as to why she and her brother have gone down a bad path.

[brundlefly]

Why you all blaming Bendis?

Its good writing. Maybe Wanda was wrong about it all being Magnetos fault. Well sometimes people blame things on their upbringing because they are weak...not everyone is always objective on that. Maybe it was easier for Wanda to say 'Wahh it was my dads fault' than face up to the fact her brother had done something bad.

It doesnt mean Bendis actually believes that. Hes just saying Wanda believes it.

I don't give him that much credit. I see that scene more as him actually not knowing that 616 Magneto didn't raise Wanda and Pietro. For a top Marvel writer, his knowledge of Marvel history has often proven quite spotty and he has confused 616 characters with their Ultimate versions in the past.

[Affinity]

Oh, lord. Wasn't this the same problem with the Havok-thinking-the-Shi'ar-killed-Jean-which-they-may-or-may-not-have-done? Maybe WANDA thinks that it's all Daddy's fault, that all of this is her crazy father's crazy dream's crazy cause's fault, and that she's just a victim! And maybe she is.

But why are we blaming Bendis? That's like saying BKV believes that robots deserve no rights...just because Xavin is saying so. That's ridiculous. Bendis should not be flung into this conversation, at least not in the amnner that we're all bickering about.

[Haunt]

Wanda and Pietro were doomed by genetics and, in Pietro's case, his temperament. Erik's an innocent bystander in this. at most, he (a senile old man twisted by his powers) tried to corrupt his teenage children and they outright rejected him. both of them should meet Shang Chi so he can set them straight on their whineyness.

[brundlefly]

But why are we blaming Bendis? That's like saying BKV believes that robots deserve no rights...just because Xavin is saying so. That's ridiculous. Bendis should not be flung into this conversation, at least not in the amnner that we're all bickering about.

Because the topic was were Pietro and Wanda doomed by their upbringing, with the insinuation that Magneto was the one who raised them. He didn't. Bendis implied that he did by having Wanda yell a bunch of cliched 'bad father' accusations at him in House of M. "You chose mutants over us," etc. Bendis has made similar continuity/history errors in the past. That's why he's being mentioned in the thread. Wasn't like he was pulled in out of the blue with no connection to the subject matter or anything (like if suddenly everyone had decided to start complaining about, say, Reggie Hudlin or Jeph Loeb).

[Omega Alpha]

Wanda and Pietro were doomed by genetics and, in Pietro's case, his temperament. Erik's an innocent bystander in this. at most, he (a senile old man twisted by his powers) tried to corrupt his teenage children and they outright rejected him. both of them should meet Shang Chi so he can set them straight on their whineyness.

Yeah, genetics certainly played a role, since Polaris is a nutcase too. But "doomed by their upbringing" is ridiculous.

[Mariah]

If I was Polaris, I'd pray to be sterile, as mental illness tends to run in the family, and, well, look at her family.

[Haunt]

Yeah, genetics certainly played a role, since Polaris is a nutcase too. But "doomed by their upbringing" is ridiculous.

given their history, i'm surprised that Wanda didn't say 'No More Humans.' Humans were behind the Holocaust. Humans burned her sister alive. Humans are why Magneto was a nutjob during the silver age. a human mob nearly killed she and pietro before Magneto stepped in. humans rose up against them during HoM. etc...

[Mariah]

given their history, i'm surprised that Wanda didn't say 'No More Humans.' Humans were behind the Holocaust. Humans burned her sister alive. Humans are why Magneto was a nutjob during the silver age. a human mob nearly killed she and pietro before Magneto stepped in. humans rose up against them during HoM. etc...
I thought there we're mutants there too.

[Haunt]

I thought there we're mutants there too.

only the stupid ones. :D

[DDM]

Yeah, genetics certainly played a role, since Polaris is a nutcase too. But "doomed by their upbringing" is ridiculous.

Polaris "nutcase" personality is due to lazy editors & Chuck Austen. Lorna has been maligned when she is one of the most normal mutants to ever exist. Chuck Austen--heck even Grant Morrison--never "got" Lorna Dane.

[Brian M.]

Polaris "nutcase" personality is due to lazy editors & Chuck Austen. Lorna has been maligned when she is one of the most normal mutants to ever exist. Chuck Austen--heck even Grant Morrison--never "got" Lorna Dane.

Do you ever have anything postive to say? Or is it the same track over and over again on your broken record?

[DDM]

Do you ever have anything postive to say? Or is it the same track over and over again on your broken record?

I'll have something positive to say when I type it. Otherwise, I'll post what is relevent.

[mybotisgone]

Because the topic was were Pietro and Wanda doomed by their upbringing, with the insinuation that Magneto was the one who raised them. He didn't. Bendis implied that he did by having Wanda yell a bunch of cliched 'bad father' accusations at him in House of M. "You chose mutants over us," etc. Bendis has made similar continuity/history errors in the past. That's why he's being mentioned in the thread. Wasn't like he was pulled in out of the blue with no connection to the subject matter or anything (like if suddenly everyone had decided to start complaining about, say, Reggie Hudlin or Jeph Loeb).
Ture. Even wikipedia says the same thing you just said. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_Witch#Birth

Do to the fact that X-Men Deadly Genesis and most of the other Decimation titles... Well sucked. Marvel may undo when Wanda said, "No more mutants." I looked at some of the sales charts of Decimation most of them where bad.:( Marvel had to stop Decimation half way through. I hope they do.

[Beast]

Ture. Even wikipedia says the same thing you just said. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_Witch#Birth

Do to the fact that X-Men Deadly Genesis and most of the other Decimation titles... Well sucked. Marvel may undo when Wanda said, "No more mutants." I looked at some of the sales charts of Decimation most of them where bad.:( Marvel had to stop Decimation half way through. I hope they do.
Well, it's only your opinion that they sucked. A lot of people liked them. And they're not going to outright undo Wanda's "No more mutants". Quesada has already said it was putting the genie of the insane mutant population back into it's bottle. That's been done, and the stories are moving forward now. And the sales numbers for Decimation were no worse than any of the books that surrounded it. And they did not stop Decimation half way though, the events of Decimation are still going strong. It was a limited 'Banner' to stories that tied directly into the events of House of M/Decimation. And not all tie-in books even carried the banner.

[brundlefly]

Quesada has already said it was putting the genie of the insane mutant population back into it's bottle. That's been done, and the stories are moving forward now. And the sales numbers for Decimation were no worse than any of the books that surrounded it. And they did not stop Decimation half way though, the events of Decimation are still going strong.

I agree with the end goal of reducing the mutant population back down a manageable level and then moving forward, as the X-books are all better now for it. It was a good idea. No reason to go back and retcon the Decimation and upset the apple cart all over again. I don't see the rationale for it, as there's nothing "broken" currently that needs to be "fixed" with more retconning or reality-altering.

[mybotisgone]

I agree with the end goal of reducing the mutant population back down a manageable level and then moving forward, as the X-books are all better now for it. It was a good idea. No reason to go back and retcon the Decimation and upset the apple cart all over again. I don't see the rationale for it, as there's nothing "broken" currently that needs to be "fixed" with more retconning or reality-altering.
I din't say that... Ok maybe in some way I did. But anyways I was just saying that the sells of X-Men Deadly Genesis and most of the other Decimation titles where bad. By the way I said most not all.

[Gene M.]

Ture. Even wikipedia says the same thing you just said. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_Witch#Birth

Do to the fact that X-Men Deadly Genesis and most of the other Decimation titles... Well sucked. Marvel may undo when Wanda said, "No more mutants." I looked at some of the sales charts of Decimation most of them where bad.:( Marvel had to stop Decimation half way through. I hope they do.

Where are these sales charts you looked at? I'd like to see them for myself.

[Beast]

I din't say that... Ok maybe in some way I did. But anyways I was just saying that the sells of X-Men Deadly Genesis and most of the other Decimation titles where bad. By the way I said most not all.
Did you actually check the sales? Deadly Genesis was one of the best selling X-Men Minis in sometime.

[Beast]

Did you actually check the sales? Deadly Genesis was one of the best selling X-Men Minis in sometime.
From ICv2:

November: #6 140.45 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #1 (Of 6)* $3.99 MAR 97,919
December: #150 19.5 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #1 (Of 6)* $3.99 MAR 12,314 (Reorders)
January: #201 6.73 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #1 (Of 6)* $3.99 MAR 4,198 (Reorders)
Febuary: #250 3.93 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #1 (Of 6)* $3.99 MAR 2,611 (Reorders)

December: #14 119.71 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #2 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 75,598
January: #194 7.19 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #2 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 4,485 (Reorders)
Febuary: #238 4.63 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #2 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 3,076 (Reorders)

January: #13 117.67 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #3 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 73,401
Febuary: #207 7.28 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #3 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 4,837 (Reorders)

Febuary: #14 112.37 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #4 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 74,666
March: #293 4.13 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #4 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 2,883 (Reorders)

March: #15 106.99 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #5 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 74,684
April: #244 3.98 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #5 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 2,901 (Reorders)

May: #19 100.21 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #6 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 77,419

It's likely there were more reorders, but they only track the top 300. :D

[Gene M.]

From ICv2:

November: #6 140.45 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #1 (Of 6)* $3.99 MAR 97,919
December: #150 19.5 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #1 (Of 6)* $3.99 MAR 12,314 (Reorders)
January: #201 6.73 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #1 (Of 6)* $3.99 MAR 4,198 (Reorders)
Febuary: #250 3.93 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #1 (Of 6)* $3.99 MAR 2,611 (Reorders)

December: #14 119.71 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #2 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 75,598
January: #194 7.19 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #2 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 4,485 (Reorders)
Febuary: #238 4.63 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #2 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 3,076 (Reorders)

January: #13 117.67 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #3 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 73,401
Febuary: #207 7.28 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #3 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 4,837 (Reorders)

Febuary: #14 112.37 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #4 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 74,666
March: #293 4.13 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #4 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 2,883 (Reorders)

March: #15 106.99 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #5 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 74,684
April: #244 3.98 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #5 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 2,901 (Reorders)

May: #19 100.21 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #6 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 77,419

That sure is a lot of reorders for a book that sold so poorly.

[Beast]

That sure is a lot of reorders for a book that sold so poorly.
Aye. All of them due to reorders were in or above the 80,000 range. Which is damn good for a mini.

[Gene M.]

Aye. All of them due to reorders were in or above the 80,000 range. Which is damn good for a mini.

That's damn good for some ongoings.

[mybotisgone]

From ICv2:

November: #6 140.45 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #1 (Of 6)* $3.99 MAR 97,919
December: #150 19.5 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #1 (Of 6)* $3.99 MAR 12,314 (Reorders)
January: #201 6.73 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #1 (Of 6)* $3.99 MAR 4,198 (Reorders)
Febuary: #250 3.93 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #1 (Of 6)* $3.99 MAR 2,611 (Reorders)

December: #14 119.71 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #2 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 75,598
January: #194 7.19 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #2 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 4,485 (Reorders)
Febuary: #238 4.63 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #2 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 3,076 (Reorders)

January: #13 117.67 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #3 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 73,401
Febuary: #207 7.28 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #3 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 4,837 (Reorders)

Febuary: #14 112.37 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #4 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 74,666
March: #293 4.13 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #4 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 2,883 (Reorders)

March: #15 106.99 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #5 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 74,684
April: #244 3.98 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #5 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 2,901 (Reorders)

May: #19 100.21 X-MEN DEADLY GENESIS #6 (Of 6) $3.50 MAR 77,419

It's likely there were more reorders, but they only track the top 300. :D
or ones I did and I cecked it at the same site you did. Your right the frist one did sell well. But for the others are low numbers. Infinite Crisis, All Star Superman, and even the last issues of House of M did better. in fact two other comics did better. Marvel wanted X-Men Deadly Genesis to do better. a lot better. If you look at how both House of M and the new Civil War did or is doing compared to X-Men Deadly Genesis it shows that X-Men Deadly Genesis did poorly. Your right not that poorly but below what Marvel wanted.

[Cayman]

or ones I did and I cecked it at the same site you did. Your right the frist one did sell well. But for the others are low numbers. Infinite Crisis, All Star Superman, and even the last issues of House of M did better. in fact two other comics did better. Marvel wanted X-Men Deadly Genesis to do better. a lot better. If you look at how both House of M and the new Civil War did or is doing compared to X-Men Deadly Genesis it shows that X-Men Deadly Genesis did poorly. Your right not that poorly but below what Marvel wanted.

Deadly Genesis wasn't a line-wide crossover event, like the ones you mentioned.

It's like saying The Devil In Prada did poorly by comparing it to Pirates Of The Caribbean 2.

And Marvel liked the sales enough to put Brubaker on the ongoing Uncanny title.

[Gene M.]

or ones I did and I cecked it at the same site you did. Your right the frist one did sell well. But for the others are low numbers. Infinite Crisis, All Star Superman, and even the last issues of House of M did better. in fact two other comics did better. Marvel wanted X-Men Deadly Genesis to do better. a lot better. If you look at how both House of M and the new Civil War did or is doing compared to X-Men Deadly Genesis it shows that X-Men Deadly Genesis did poorly. Your right not that poorly but below what Marvel wanted.

House of M and Civil War are line wide series. They are written to appeal to readers of more than just the X-Men. Deadly Genesis was a mini series limited to the confines of the X-Men's corner of the MU. There's little incentive for a person who doesn't read the X-Books to pick it up. HOM and CW, on the other hand, tie into the whole of the Marvel Universe. They sold better because they were written for a wider audience. There's really no reason in even comparing them.

[Beast]

House of M and Civil War are line wide series. They are written to appeal to readers of more than just the X-Men. Deadly Genesis was a mini series limited to the confines of the X-Men's corner of the MU. There's little incentive for a person who doesn't read the X-Books to pick it up. HOM and CW, on the other hand, tie into the whole of the Marvel Universe. They sold better because they were written for a wider audience. There's really no reason in even comparing them.
Exactly. It's comparing Apples to Oranges. :)

[mybotisgone]

Lest see. The frist one did better then Uncanny X-Men. But the second one Uncanny X-Men beat X-Men Deadly Genesis.

[Gene M.]

Lest see. The frist one did better then Uncanny X-Men. But the second one Uncanny X-Men beat X-Men Deadly Genesis.

What are you talking about? Your comparisons have no merit. Uncanny is an ongoing. It's more than likely it will beat a mini series that derives from it.

[Beast]

Lest see. The frist one did better then Uncanny X-Men. But the second one Uncanny X-Men beat X-Men Deadly Genesis.
Uncanny X-Men is an ongoing. Miniseries usually don't do better than the main book.

[Gene M.]

Uncanny X-Men is an ongoing. Miniseries usually don't do better than the main book.

Quit stealing my thoughts, thought stealer! :D

[Beast]

Quit stealing my thoughts, thought stealer! :D
What can I say, competent minds think alike. ;)::D

[Gene M.]

What can I say, competent minds think alike. ;)::D

Sounds good to me! :D

[jmc247]

If I was Polaris, I'd pray to be sterile, as mental illness tends to run in the family, and, well, look at her family.

The Avengers better make sure Billy and Tommy get good mental heath treatment.

I can see how the conversation might go.

Counciler: Billy how is your mom?

Billy: She is insane and living somewhere in Europe.

Counciler: Do you have any aunts or uncles?

Billy: My uncle Pietro is still huffing on crystals in his house and aunt Lorna has her house upside down.

Counciler: Do you have a father?

Billy: He is a robot

Counciler: Come on tell me about your father

Billy: He is a robot

Counciler: Do you have a grandfather?

Billy: He is hiding in a cave and planning to take over the world again

[Zombienorthstar]

Counciler: Do you have a grandfather?


Billy: GRANDPA GO BOOM!!!

[Babylon23]

Wanda and Peitro certainly weren't doomed by their upbringing. They were raised by loving gypsy parents in Europe. Magneto had nothing to do with their upbringing at all. It's possible to argue that genetics played a role in their later actions, but Magneto can't be blamed for their upbringing.

Anyway, Wanda's motivations in House of M really don't make a great deal of sense, given the character's history. However, her breakdown in Disassembled didn't make a whole lot of sense either.

[Zombienorthstar]

Wanda and Peitro certainly weren't doomed by their upbringing. They were raised by loving gypsy parents in Europe. Magneto had nothing to do with their upbringing at all. It's possible to argue that genetics played a role in their later actions, but Magneto can't be blamed for their upbringing.

Anyway, Wanda's motivations in House of M really don't make a great deal of sense, given the character's history. However, her breakdown in Disassembled didn't make a whole lot of sense either.


The irony is nowhere does Wanda blame it on their upbringing....anywhere. She just says to Magneto that its his fault theyre lives have taken the path it has...which to be fair has some element of truth as they werent really Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch before they met him.

[Haunt]

The irony is nowhere does Wanda blame it on their upbringing....anywhere. She just says to Magneto that its his fault theyre lives have taken the path it has...which to be fair has some element of truth as they werent really Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch before they met him.

maybe not but Wanda had used her powers and drawn a mob of humans against she and her brother. what would have happened if Magneto hadn't stepped in? either the twins would have fought back with their powers or died. unlike regular superheroes, mutants are sort of born into the life. a lot of them are their powers. Pietro Maximoff, by any other name, is still Quicksilver. Wanda's erratic powers are a result of her mother running away to Wundagore mountain. Pietro's altered perception of time is what made him a prick. Magneto just gave them a path to follow; one they almost instantly rejected. they didn't have to keep calling themselves Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch. they could have gone right back to being "gypsies." they didn't have to sign up with the Avengers. they wanted to be Avengers.

[Zombienorthstar]

maybe not but Wanda had used her powers and drawn a mob of humans against she and her brother. what would have happened if Magneto hadn't stepped in? either the twins would have fought back with their powers or died. unlike regular superheroes, mutants are sort of born into the life. a lot of them are their powers. Pietro Maximoff, by any other name, is still Quicksilver. Wanda's erratic powers are a result of her mother running away to Wundagore mountain. Pietro's altered perception of time is what made him a prick. Magneto just gave them a path to follow; one they almost instantly rejected. they didn't have to keep calling themselves Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch. they could have gone right back to being "gypsies." they didn't have to sign up with the Avengers. they wanted to be Avengers.


yep...but once again...this goes back to my point that this is just Wanda's opinion....Bendis doesnt necessarily believe its all Magnetos fault just cause Wanda does.

[Mariah]

The Avengers better make sure Billy and Tommy get good mental heath treatment.

I can see how the conversation might go.

Counciler: Billy how is your mom?

Billy: She is insane and living somewhere in Europe.

Counciler: Do you have any aunts or uncles?

Billy: My uncle Pietro is still huffing on crystals in his house and aunt Lorna has her house upside down.

Counciler: Do you have a father?

Billy: He is a robot

Counciler: Come on tell me about your father

Billy: He is a robot

Counciler: Do you have a grandfather?

Billy: He is hiding in a cave and planning to take over the world again
The term is Synthezoid. pfft, pozer.:p

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I was just re-reading House of M #7 and the issue makes a big point to consign the blame on Wanda and Pietro's return to villainy if you want to call it that on Magneto. That he ruined them forever when they were but teenagers with his single minded quest for mutant domination. I don't know, I guess I was a bit dubious about that point.

It was a mistake on Bendis' part unless he has something in store for the future for those two characters. Pietro and Wanda were not raised by Magneto at all so it's IMPOSSIBLE for him to be responsible for how they turned out by the time he realized who they were when they were grown functioning adults.

[Gene M.]

It was a mistake on Bendis' part unless he has something in store for the future for those two characters. Pietro and Wanda were not raised by Magneto at all so it's IMPOSSIBLE for him to be responsible for how they turned out by the time he realized who they were when they were grown functioning adults.
Or, Bendis didn't screw up and was writing Wanda as the batsh-t nutjob that she is. It's entirely possible that it WASN'T a "continuity mistake" and was just a crazy person trying to rationalize their actions.

[Mariah]

Or, Bendis didn't screw up and was writing Wanda as the batsh-t nutjob that she is. It's entirely possible that it WASN'T a "continuity mistake" and was just a crazy person trying to rationalize their actions.
Crazy people don't know that their crazy, so you never know. Oh no, I'm having another breakdown...nomorenerds!!!11!!eleven!~!1

[Gene M.]

Crazy people don't know that their crazy, so you never know. Oh no, I'm having another breakdown...nomorenerds!!!11!!eleven!~!1

Yeah, but should could know that what she was doing was wrong, so blaming Magneto was a way for her to rationalize what she did.

[brundlefly]

Or, Bendis didn't screw up and was writing Wanda as the batsh-t nutjob that she is. It's entirely possible that it WASN'T a "continuity mistake" and was just a crazy person trying to rationalize their actions.

Or Bendis screwed up from the beginning, turning an established character and former leader of the Avengers into a crudely-fashioned tool to "disassemble" the existing Avengers just so that he could stock the new team with his hand-picked favorites. Whether it's a continuity mistake (the much more likely answer, given his long history of them) or just more 'crazy Wanda', in the end it's simply more bad writing and characterization from Bendis, so same difference either way.

EDIT: (Oops. Wanda led Force Works instead of the Avengers, which is certainly a step down. But she was handpicked for that position by Tony Stark and did a credible job leading that team under pressure, which was my point regarding her stability.)

[Mariah]

Yeah, but should could know that what she was doing was wrong, so blaming Magneto was a way for her to rationalize what she did.
She seemed like a person who didn't want to take the blame herself for what she did wrong, so of course she's gonna blame her family, and I see that I'm agreeing with everything you just said. Carry on.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Or, Bendis didn't screw up and was writing Wanda as the batsh-t nutjob that she is. It's entirely possible that it WASN'T a "continuity mistake" and was just a crazy person trying to rationalize their actions.

Nah. It was Quicksilver who was mentioned "He chose the mutant race over us" first. It was a botchjob by someone in editing unless there is more to it than meets the eye. It might get clarified when Wanda pops back up in November in New Avengers.

[xmanson]

About the Young Avengers kids... I mean... did their souls "take over" the normal kid's bodies? because the timeline just doesn't work if they were boirn after the original twins got "dissolved".

[Babylon23]

Or Bendis screwed up from the beginning, turning an established character and former leader of the Avengers into a crudely-fashioned tool to "disassemble" the existing Avengers just so that he could stock the new team with his hand-picked favorites. Whether it's a continuity mistake (the much more likely answer, given his long history of them) or just more 'crazy Wanda', in the end it's simply more bad writing and characterization from Bendis, so same difference either way.

Totally agree.

EDIT: (Oops. Wanda led Force Works instead of the Avengers, which is certainly a step down. But she was handpicked for that position by Tony Stark and did a credible job leading that team under pressure, which was my point regarding her stability.)

Actually, Wanda has been leader of the Avengers. During Busiek's run on Avengers, Cap hand-picked her to be co-leader with him.

[brundlefly]

Actually, Wanda has been leader of the Avengers. During Busiek's run on Avengers, Cap hand-picked her to be co-leader with him.

I forgot about that. Cool, I was right the first time!