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XPac

09-08-2006, 02:47 AM

Which superheros are staying neutral thoughtout Civil war? Who do you think should be neutral? Who is neutral that should be taking a side? Which side should they take?

Right now the people who are neutral are those that actually can be neutrak.

Strange, who doesn't have to register, Black Panther who obviously doesn't have to comply with a US law, and mutants who are pre-registered.

I think sooner or later Strange has to pick a side. He can't opt to just stay away from the whole situation. And as to which side he chooses, that is obviously entirely based on which side he believes is right (given his reaction in Illuminati I'm assuming that would be the anti-side).

Beyond him, everyone that is neutral should probably stay neutral.

o1pickleboy

09-08-2006, 03:12 AM

Didn't thing leave the country to be able to stay out of it.

jackolover

09-08-2006, 05:45 AM

Which superheros are staying neutral thoughtout Civil war? Who do you think should be neutral? Who is neutral that should be taking a side? Which side should they take?

Matt Murdock is out at the moment - anti
Sentry is still uncommitted - neutral or pro
Punisher - anti
Hulk - neutral or anti
Pietro and the Scarlet Witch - anti
Magneto - anti
Professor X - pro - Not sure Prof X was anti, as a poster suggested. He already trains people
War Machine - pro
D Man - pro
Electra - pro
Hellcat - pro
Human Torch - anti
Thing - anti -Thing is neutral but I saw he will turn anti
Tigra - pro

Isn't it amazing. Marvel tauted that CW would have just about every character involved, and all I could come up with, out of the 300 or so characters, is 12 not directly in the action. That's discounting extraterestrials like Surfer and Thanos. Thats a lot of characters involved.

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Gnarl

09-08-2006, 06:13 AM

Joe Acro

09-08-2006, 08:38 AM

Thing - anti

Not so. Thing is neutral, not wanting to fight against either side.

Blackcat

09-08-2006, 08:45 AM

War Machine will not be anti! He is pro and currently opparates one of the 5 mega Sentinels at Xaviers Institute. He is working for O*N*E* and hunting down the 198. So is is pro registration

Blackcat

09-08-2006, 08:46 AM

The people of Next Wave are not taking part in CW. I don't think they would ever pick a side.

Omega Alpha

09-08-2006, 10:56 AM

Xavier and Strange were against the registration, as shown in Illuminati. So were Namor and Black Bolt. Although you can count them as neutral, since none of them is doing something about it... yet.

brundlefly

09-08-2006, 01:45 PM

Magneto pro?

I could see him feeling that it would make the others supers equal with mutants, but given his childhood, I would think he'd be hard on the anti side.

Not to mention that Luna and Wiccan seems to be associated with the anti side.

Given their history with government mutant registration attempts, Magneto and Xavier would both be solidly anti-reg. I don't see the logic in either of them being pro-registration, particularly Magneto.

Haunt

09-08-2006, 02:24 PM

Not so. Thing is neutral, not wanting to fight against either side.

not only that but he was fighting on the pro-side; prior to leaving the country.

Joe Acro

09-08-2006, 02:39 PM

not only that but he was fighting on the pro-side; prior to leaving the country.
Which I believe he did to end the conflict quicker, but I suppose that's irrelevant information for this topic...

Parthuman

09-08-2006, 02:45 PM

Captain Switzerland is decidedly neutral, although it is laundering money for both sides.

Captain Italy is sort of waffling, trying to guess who's likely to win before making a decision.

Captain France has already prepared surrender papers and is just waiting for one side or the other to notice.

Nomad

09-08-2006, 02:46 PM

I hate that the anti-leaning heroes who are staying out of combat, are leaving Cap in a lurch. They are his friends! He's getting murdered. Too bad Hulk is in space, I would have loved to see his rage at Civil War.

Locue

09-08-2006, 02:55 PM

Odds are Hulk wouldn't even care about it and just stay out of it. After all, all he wants is to be left alone. Still, I'd enjoy seeing him going all freaking "ME SMASH!" on Tony.

John Doe Jnr

09-08-2006, 04:27 PM

Seems whoever is not on a side can't fight crime while in costume. I don't think the Young Avengers choosed a side uptill the point they were arrested for stopping a mugging.

XPac

09-08-2006, 04:29 PM

Odds are Hulk wouldn't even care about it and just stay out of it. After all, all he wants is to be left alone. Still, I'd enjoy seeing him going all freaking "ME SMASH!" on Tony.

Even if Hulk wanted to, he couldn't stay out of it. Because the PRO side would be after him... at least to register, if not to outright arrest him.

That's the thing... if you're in the US and you're a metahuman you can't simply stay out of it (with a few exceptions like mutants and Dr. Strange). You're going to be forced to register, and that means they CAN call you into service if they need to.

Those that wanna stay out of it need to pull and Thing and hop over to France.

jackolover

09-08-2006, 07:23 PM

Matt Murdock is out at the moment - anti
Sentry is still uncommitted - neutral or pro
Punisher - anti
Hulk - neutral or anti
Pietro and the Scarlet Witch - anti
Magneto - anti
Professor X - pro - Not sure Prof X was anti, as a poster suggested. He already trains people
War Machine - pro
D Man - pro
Electra - pro
Hellcat - pro
Human Torch - anti
Thing - anti -Thing is neutral but I think he will turn anti
Tigra - pro

Isn't it amazing. Marvel tauted that CW would have just about every character involved, and all I could come up with, out of the 300 or so characters, is 12 not directly in the action. That's discounting extraterestrials like Surfer and Thanos. Thats a lot of characters involved.

I also discount non-Americans, like Namor or Black Panther or Doom Or Black Bolt and co.

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jackolover

09-08-2006, 07:33 PM

not only that but he was fighting on the pro-side; prior to leaving the country.

Okay. I can see you are being pedantic, but didn't you see Sue Richards talking to Ben about not having to agree with everything the government says? That's when I think Ben switched to anti, and walked out.

jackolover

09-08-2006, 07:39 PM

Given their history with government mutant registration attempts, Magneto and Xavier would both be solidly anti-reg. I don't see the logic in either of them being pro-registration, particularly Magneto.

Magneto? He just likes to put the heroes under the hammer. Anything that gets chaos going, thats what Maggy is in to.

Professor X? His philosophy is to not let young mutants run around irresponsibly, so it's obvious he would agree to registration, and be willing to train heroes up to speed.

brundlefly

09-08-2006, 07:51 PM

Magneto? He just likes to put the heroes under the hammer. Anything that gets chaos going, thats what Maggy is in to.

No way he sides with the same government that persecutes his chosen people on any matter, particularly one involving the singling out and registering of a minority group. Slippery slope from SHRA to having a separate Richards/Stark-constructed gulag just for mutants, and Mags knows that. Plus he certainly isn't going to happily go sign up with SHIELD, which is a prereq for being considered truly "pro-registration." I doubt his motivations in this matter are simply "hahaha, the heroes are in trouble now" one-dimensional supervillainy.

jackolover

09-08-2006, 08:12 PM

No way he sides with the same government that persecutes his chosen people on any matter, particularly one involving the singling out and registering of a minority group. Slippery slope from SHRA to having a separate Richards/Stark-constructed gulag just for mutants, and Mags knows that. Plus he certainly isn't going to happily go sign up with SHIELD, which is a prereq for being considered truly "pro-registration." I doubt his motivations in this matter are simply "hahaha, the heroes are in trouble now" one-dimensional supervillainy.

So far the mutants haven't been touched, so I don't see where Magneto would feel paranoid about his precious mutants. You're drawing a long bow thinking Magneto has a conscience, such that he sees so far in the future and sees mutant prisons. He's a psycho, not a moralist.

brundlefly

09-08-2006, 08:22 PM

I don't see where Magneto would feel paranoid about his precious mutants. You're drawing a long bow thinking Magneto has a conscience, such that he sees so far in the future and sees mutant prisons. He's a psycho, not a moralist.

Riiiiight..... :rolleyes: So how familiar are you with Magneto's history? I would recommend some research based on that statement.

XPac

09-08-2006, 09:19 PM

So far the mutants haven't been touched, so I don't see where Magneto would feel paranoid about his precious mutants. You're drawing a long bow thinking Magneto has a conscience, such that he sees so far in the future and sees mutant prisons. He's a psycho, not a moralist.

Right now his mutant buddies are hiding out in Xaviers surrounded by Sentinals. I think he'd have some cause of concern there, even if the sentinals were on their best behavior.

I hate to play the race card here, but guarding them with Sentinals would be the equivalent of guarding a group of african americans with a bunch of guys burning crosses on their front lawn wearing pillow sheets over their heads. The sentinals very presence should be cause of some degree of parania.

Young Avenger

09-08-2006, 09:35 PM

Howard The Duck?

Loestal

09-08-2006, 09:49 PM

brundlefly

09-08-2006, 10:38 PM

Sounds like Grant Morrison.

Well, I didn't want to open that can of worms again, but he does sound like someone who's only exposure to Magneto is (ugh) PLANET X.

Omega Alpha

09-08-2006, 11:04 PM

Professor X - pro - Not sure Prof X was anti, as a poster suggested. He already trains people

Well, first of all, now he doesn't train anyone, since Cyke kicked his butt out of the Institute.

Second, he never forced anyone to be trained by him, everyone who came was on his own free will.

And third, almost all mutants are very unsimpathetic towards the SHRA and registraction acts in general (with reasons to be), and, among all people, it wouldn't be Xavier, one of the pillars of the mutant community and the founder of the X-men the one to support it.

jackolover

09-09-2006, 01:38 AM

Riiiiight..... :rolleyes: So how familiar are you with Magneto's history? I would recommend some research based on that statement.

Well, I've seen him sane, and post-Onslaught, but I've also seen him in the early years as well. Then, in NA #20, he seemed to get all his powers back, and then some. I think he will be the power crazy Magneto, now. What? You think Magneto is some goody two shoes now?

jackolover

09-09-2006, 01:44 AM

Well, first of all, now he doesn't train anyone, since Cyke kicked his butt out of the Institute.

Second, he never forced anyone to be trained by him, everyone who came was on his own free will.

And third, almost all mutants are very unsimpathetic towards the SHRA and registraction acts in general (with reasons to be), and, among all people, it wouldn't be Xavier, one of the pillars of the mutant community and the founder of the X-men the one to support it.

I beg to differ.

Professor X went out and actively sought mutants and made them responsible and able heroes. If he didn't, the likes of Cyclops on the loose would have been a disaster, and PR suicide for mutants. So Prof X forcefully got things moving, or he was going to be on the agenda of any crackdown himself. No. I think the Prof would be in favor of SHRA just on principle, because it reflects his idealogy. And I say forcefully, because if he didn't then Magneto would and that would be that for the balance of mutant capes. Then you would have had Mutant wars very early in the piece.

jackolover

09-09-2006, 01:52 AM

Right now his mutant buddies are hiding out in Xaviers surrounded by Sentinals. I think he'd have some cause of concern there, even if the sentinals were on their best behavior.

I hate to play the race card here, but guarding them with Sentinals would be the equivalent of guarding a group of african americans with a bunch of guys burning crosses on their front lawn wearing pillow sheets over their heads. The sentinals very presence should be cause of some degree of parania.

Yes, you have a point that Magneto may be more inclined to mix it with the 198, but they have already been rehabilitated by X-Factor recently, so Mags need not neccessarily go seek them out. Leaves him free to pursue other things. Nothing like some good caped confusion to make life interesting.

I still hold to my guns on this.

Gnarl

09-09-2006, 02:52 AM

So far the mutants haven't been touched, so I don't see where Magneto would feel paranoid about his precious mutants. You're drawing a long bow thinking Magneto has a conscience, such that he sees so far in the future and sees mutant prisons. He's a psycho, not a moralist.

You've never read any Magneto, have you? Even Morrisons Magneto, considered to be the poorest and least competent version ever written, had Magneto acting from his conscience and trying to build a better, more orderly world.

And half his apperances has him going on about mutant camps and prisions.

We know Xavier was very anti from the get-go from Illuminati, but it doesn't matter much, with him powerless and having lost his X-Men and Sh'ar influence.

-S-Man-

09-09-2006, 05:42 AM

She-Hulk was really in betweens when it all kicked off but she seems to have had some resolve since then. She has been in the backround apart from the Frontline stories and a bit of her own.

And I wouldn't have taken Magneto as a Pro side mutant. Specially when the X-Men have opted to stay neutral.

Does anyone think that the X-Men are Anti buy going on the hunt for 198? I don't they're just looking out for their own.

jackolover

09-09-2006, 06:22 AM

You've never read any Magneto, have you? Even Morrisons Magneto, considered to be the poorest and least competent version ever written, had Magneto acting from his conscience and trying to build a better, more orderly world.

And half his apperances has him going on about mutant camps and prisions.

We know Xavier was very anti from the get-go from Illuminati, but it doesn't matter much, with him powerless and having lost his X-Men and Sh'ar influence.

Yeah, I remember Magneto preaching about death camps and prisons, but whats that got to do with him today? The guy swings from moralist to psycho with the wind. Do you know how he is going to act when he resurfaces? I think it's psycho.

And Prof X was missing when the Iluminati voted on the issue of the SHRA, so where do you get him being anti?

The Fury

09-09-2006, 07:42 AM

Xavier and Strange were against the registration, as shown in Illuminati. So were Namor and Black Bolt. Although you can count them as neutral, since none of them is doing something about it... yet.
Xavier wasn't even at the meeting discussing the registration, so he could not go against it.

I think he'd be against it. Problem is, with the X-books in nearly a world of their own, we'll never know which X-men side with which side.

The on moment in the Civil War book where Emma says they are staying out of it, and then Bishop saying otherwise, I think that is all we will get in the lines of mutants.

Dracon

09-09-2006, 09:29 AM

Yeah, I remember Magneto preaching about death camps and prisons, but whats that got to do with him today? The guy swings from moralist to psycho with the wind. Do you know how he is going to act when he resurfaces? I think it's psycho.

And Prof X was missing when the Iluminati voted on the issue of the SHRA, so where do you get him being anti?

I could list issues, like Magneto getting aquitted of wrongdoing by the world court.

XPac

09-09-2006, 10:05 AM

I could list issues, like Magneto getting aquitted of wrongdoing by the world court.

Yeah... but ya gotta thing the guys that aquitted him are kicking themselves for that one in hindsight.

Omega Alpha

09-09-2006, 11:51 AM

I beg to differ.

Professor X went out and actively sought mutants and made them responsible and able heroes. If he didn't, the likes of Cyclops on the loose would have been a disaster, and PR suicide for mutants. So Prof X forcefully got things moving, or he was going to be on the agenda of any crackdown himself. No. I think the Prof would be in favor of SHRA just on principle, because it reflects his idealogy. And I say forcefully, because if he didn't then Magneto would and that would be that for the balance of mutant capes. Then you would have had Mutant wars very early in the piece.

Yes, he went out, sought mutants, made them heroes, etc, but never forced anyone to do anything. The SHRA forces heroes to register and work for the government.

And, anytime you heard about Registration Acts in the X-men, it was never in a good way, and the X-men always fought in every way possible againt them. It would completely contradict his history to support such an act when he has fought against similar ones in the past.

But i agree that, right now, he's pretty irrelevant, since he doesn't have his powers and no influence among the X-men or the Shi'ar.

brundlefly

09-09-2006, 11:54 AM

Well, I've seen him sane, and post-Onslaught, but I've also seen him in the early years as well. Then, in NA #20, he seemed to get all his powers back, and then some. I think he will be the power crazy Magneto, now. What? You think Magneto is some goody two shoes now?

So no real factual basis for your peculiar interpretation of him currently as a "psycho" who lives to "put the heroes under the hammer" and "get chaos going," then? The last time we saw him in NEW AVENGERS, he was actually trying to help the Avengers and stop the fighting that the Collective had started, as opposed to twirling his mustache and tying the heroes' girlfriends to the railroad tracks. :D Prior to that in EXCALIBUR, he was possessed of his full powers, yet very nonviolent and benevolent, not "power-crazy". He's no goody-two-shoes, but your take on him seems drawn from either the imposter's actions in PLANET X or his outdated interpretation from the 1960s.

Yeah, I remember Magneto preaching about death camps and prisons, but whats that got to do with him today? The guy swings from moralist to psycho with the wind. Do you know how he is going to act when he resurfaces? I think it's psycho.

What that's "got to do with him today" is that it's always been and still is his primary motivation: to protect mutantkind from persecution. Not to instigate random chaos, pointlessly feud with the Marvel Universe heroes, or side with the US government in the SHRA, which is what you seem to think his motivations are. I can't recall him constantly switching from 'moralist to psycho with the wind' and I'm not sure where you're drawing your conclusions from as to his current state of mind, other than the aforementioned PLANET X appearance (which, again, wasn't Magneto).

SketchAire

09-09-2006, 10:31 PM

Matt Murdock is out at the moment - anti
Sentry is still uncommitted - neutral or pro
Punisher - anti
Hulk - neutral or anti
Pietro and the Scarlet Witch - anti
Magneto - pro
Professor X - pro - Not sure Prof X was anti, as a poster suggested. He already trains people
War Machine - pro
D Man - pro
Electra - pro
Hellcat - pro
Human Torch - anti
Thing - anti -Thing is neutral but I saw he will turn anti
Tigra - pro

Er, when did the Torch give any indication as to what side he was on?
I believe that, as of right now, he's still a wild card.

jackolover

09-10-2006, 01:24 AM

Er, when did the Torch give any indication as to what side he was on?
I believe that, as of right now, he's still a wild card.

Yeah, Torch is a wild card, but I submit that after the hit he took by the common citizen, he is going to have a different sentiment towards the side the people are advocating SHRA to. He would possibly have been in favor of SHRA, but now he couldn'nt give a s**t. I say he goes anti, because he was attacked.

jackolover

09-10-2006, 01:30 AM

What that's "got to do with him today" is that it's always been and still is his primary motivation: to protect mutantkind from persecution. Not to instigate random chaos, pointlessly feud with the Marvel Universe heroes, or side with the US government in the SHRA, which is what you seem to think his motivations are. I can't recall him constantly switching from 'moralist to psycho with the wind' and I'm not sure where you're drawing your conclusions from as to his current state of mind, other than the aforementioned PLANET X appearance (which, again, wasn't Magneto).

I maybe living in the 60's, but you sound like Magneto is gods gift to mutants. Are you a Magnetophile? Didn't you read House of M? Magneto was real content to have the Royal family in charge, so you got to say ,subconciously, Mags wanted it that way. In any case you should take of your rose colored glasses and see all of Mags characteristics, not just the ones you want him to be.

I understand we see Mags from 2 different directions. I have my opinion, you have yours. As I appear to be outnumbered I will change the classification.

jackolover

09-10-2006, 01:36 AM

Matt Murdock is out at the moment - anti
Sentry is still uncommitted - neutral or pro
Punisher - anti
Hulk - neutral or anti
Pietro and the Scarlet Witch - anti
Magneto - anti
Professor X - pro - Not sure Prof X was anti, as a poster suggested. He already trains people
War Machine - pro
D Man - pro
Electra - pro
Hellcat - pro
Human Torch - anti
Thing - anti -Thing is neutral, but I sense he will turn anti
Tigra - pro

Isn't it amazing. Marvel tauted that CW would have just about every character involved, and all I could come up with, out of the 300 or so characters, is 12 not directly in the action. That's discounting extraterestrials like Surfer and Thanos. Thats a lot of characters involved.

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nowitatall

09-10-2006, 02:48 AM

Which superheros are staying neutral thoughtout Civil war? Who do you think should be neutral? Who is neutral that should be taking a side? Which side should they take?

Hulk: not here right now, but boy, when he gets back...Tony and SuperNazis to the moon!

o1pickleboy

09-10-2006, 02:08 PM

Hulk: not here right now, but boy, when he gets back...Tony and SuperNazis to the moon!

I can see it now. Hulk Smashing Iron Man for sending him into space. Hulk Smashing Captain America for being Un American.

nowitatall

09-10-2006, 04:15 PM

I can see it now. Hulk Smashing Iron Man for sending him into space. Hulk Smashing Captain America for being Un American.

By the time it's all over Earth might be Planet Hulk. haha

Alan2099

09-10-2006, 07:48 PM

Oh and on topic, man-Thing hasn't chosen a side.

Good luck geting the guy registered, he barley even forms coherant thought.

XPac

09-10-2006, 07:57 PM

Oh and on topic, man-Thing hasn't chosen a side.

Good luck geting the guy registered, he barley even forms coherant thought.

I'm assuming plants are excempt from registration. But I wouldn't be shocked if I didn't see Tony TRYING to sign the guy up regardless. You can't read a book in marvel that doesn't have Tony popping out behind every corner asking someone to register.

Alan2099

09-10-2006, 08:14 PM

Give that book to Fred Hembeck ior somebody equally know for their off the wall treatment to write and I'd be all over it. Just have Ironman pop out from behind trees and such constantly trying to get people like Man-Thing, and Cadaver, and stuff to register.

Blackcat

09-11-2006, 02:23 AM

Next Wave has obviously not taken any side and the will not later

Da Campus Vampis

09-11-2006, 04:05 AM

Scarlet With, anti
Human torch anti
Iceman-Anti

Violently Apathetic

09-11-2006, 05:37 AM

Just out of curiosity, have Gravity and the Hood been accounted for? Obviously they're tied up in Beyond, but that doesn't seem to stop Spider-Man and the Pyms (are we to assume it's an AU? I clearly haven't been paying enough attention...) and I'm curious to see if these two are too minor to even be considered. Personally I'd imagine Gravity would follow Spider-Man as Pro and the Hood would be Anti...not that anyone would really want him on their side anyway...