Marvel League 2006: Sophisticated Gamer vs. Dipset Byrd Gang

[Nightcrawler]

Welcome to our next match. Please read and consider both strategies before voting on whose strategy you think would win if the two were matched up.

Sophisticated Gamer- Frost, Emma, Hulk, Dazzler II, Cyclops, Gambit, Havok

Dispet Byrd Gang- Count Nefaria, Legion, Mandarin, Synch, Atlas, Electro


Here is Dipset Byrd Gang's strategy-

Major threats: Emma Frost(telepathy), Hulk(brute Strength, fireceness) and havok (plasma bolts)


Phase one (all this takes place at the same time)

-Legion sends out a mega TK blast and pyro-blasts.

-Mandarin causes absolute blackness with his black light ring on his right pinkie at the opposition on the other side of the battlefield.

These two tactics should cause the opposition to be down and distorted. Especially Gambit, Havok, Cyke, Dazzler and Jarvis. This might not effect Emma or the Hulk. Emma has diamond form and Hulk is really tough.

-Atlas grows big and grabs Synch. And stands as a shield for blasts coming from Dazzler, Gambit, Cyke and havok. He should be able to withstand the blasts for up to a minute.

-Cap Neferia grabs Electro speeds towards the opposition. None of the blasts from the opposition should affect Cap Neferia because he has take shots from THors hammers.

-Atlas throws Synch to the other side of the field. He towards to grow to giant size. He was synching off of Atlas. He can synch off of people with powers. (He synched off of Spider-man in Amazing Spider-man 431) HE lands on top of the opposition. Most of the mutants should be out the battle of not. Cap Neferia and Electro put the rest down with electro blasts and x-ray vision. She all should be hurt from the initial assualt from Legion and mandarin.

phase one results- Cyke, havok, Gambit, Dazzler and Jarvis are out of the battle or almost.



phase two

-Legion messes with Hulks mind and causes him to see Emma as Abomination. This should be realtive easy because Hulk's mind is very fragil, Legion is insane and very powerful. ANd attacks Emma. This causes her to go into diamond form to protect herself from Hulk. This lays her open to a telepathic assualt. Synch is also synching off the hulk while Hulk is distracted.

- Mandarin and Atlas approach the battle.

- Cap Neferia takes care of the rest of the street levelers not are not out. This should be easy for him because he can go toe t0 toe with Thor. He rips them apart and frys him with his powers.

-Hulk battles Emma thanks Legion. Now Legion is messing with Emma's mind. She is now fighting to battle's. she can not when. Either Legion mindwipes her or Hulk batters her to death.

-now it is Hulk versus the whole team. Legion traps
Hulk in a TK shield. Then Cap Neferia, Atlas and Synch-Hulk attack hulk as Legion let's the tk shiled down. Electro blasts him with bolts while Legion and Mandarin mess with Hulk's mind.

Hulk goes down to superior numbers as Cap Neferia just tosses hulk across the battle field. TEAM G.O.A.T. destroys the opposition.


And Sophisticated Gamer's-

Jarvis sits out of this one.

Phase 1
As soon as battle starts, Havok releases all the gamma radiation that he has stored onto opposing team in waves of plasma that is supper hot, and causes everything to vibrate and crack and brake.
This will not allow Count Nefaria to speed his way toward my team. Right when Havok starts his little power release Hulk grabs Emma Frost, Dazzler, Gambit and Cyclops and hops toward the other team. At thge same time Emma sets up psykik shields that protect all there minds and thoghts. Dazzler creates a light energy shield around the whole hopping group so they do not get shot down in flight. At the same this is happening Emma frost gets into the minds of Count Nefaria, Mandarin, Synch, Atlas and Electro and makes them puke uncontrollably for 24 hours. Since this took Emma only a thought to do, she now starts on destroying and confusing the mind of Legion, which is much harder to crack, but because of Havoks blasts he gets a little bit distracted, which doesn’t give him time to focus ( the same goes with the rest of the group.)

Phase 2
When my group is about to land on the ground Dazzler removes he shield, and Emma telekinetically takes off Cyclopses visor which emits a SUPER HUGE concussion blast on the whole group, which nocks a lot of them on the ground. Right afterwards Emma puts Cyclopses visor back on and erases any memory of this happening. Followed by hulks landing, he dose his thunder clap on the whole group that is knocked out or severally hit, when Hulk is doing this Dazzler stand next to him, and absorbs all of the sound energy and converts it to a super powerful laser beam directed at the opposing team. This should of killed most of them, but just to make sure, Emma frost makes Havok, Gambit, Cyclops and Dazzler think and see that they won, with no casualties, just the opposing team being knocked out. But at the same time enrages Hulk to make him super powerful, which then she sends out him and makes him smash all the bodies that are remaining there.

Phase 3
Of course Count Nefaria is still alive, which makes him a problem, but Hulk punches him as hard as he can and makes sure he falls on the ground.
When this is about to happen, Emma frost gets in the mind of Gambit and makes him go behind distracted Count Nefaria and wait for him to get knocked down. This is when Gambit grabs a hold of Count Nefaria and charges him with as much kinetic energy he can. Then a big boom happens, but Emma gets Dazzler to shield Gambit from this blast. At this time Count Nefaria is nearly dead, but not quite, this is when Emma frost makes the Hulk to get pissed as hell and keep on beating Count Nefaria body for a while. This is when finally our Emma controlled friend Gambit comes and charges Count Nefaria with as much energy as he can and basically blows him to peases.

The End….Isn’t Emma Just EVIL

[Atom_basher]

can legion send TK and pyro out at the same time, arent his abilities dictated by his personailities, which means its one power at a time from him. so isnt it eithe one or the other

[Jessica Drew]

Either way, Atom_basher, I see this as Legion's blasts and Havok's blast pretty much cancelling each other out. From there on, this is what I think I know would happen (based on merging the two strategies):

Emma mentally takes Mandarin and Synch out of the match (by making them vomit uncontrollably, thus dehydrating them).

That's it. That's all I got. Why? I'm unsure about a few things. Here they are:


Isn't the Hulk's mind very hard to crack?

Can Emma affect Nefaria because of his ionic nature? Can she affect Atlas (for the same reason)?

I'd need some answers to these before I could proceed.

[Atom_basher]

Either way, Atom_basher, I see this as Legion's blasts and Havok's blast pretty much cancelling each other out. From there on, this is what I think I know would happen (based on merging the two strategies):

Emma mentally takes Mandarin and Synch out of the match (by making them vomit uncontrollably, thus dehydrating them).

That's it. That's all I got. Why? I'm unsure about a few things. Here they are:


Isn't the Hulk's mind very hard to crack?

Can Emma affect Nefaria because of his ionic nature? Can she affect Atlas (for the same reason)?

I'd need some answers to these before I could proceed.


I feel the same way about havok canceling eachother out, also, with all the going on i think Synch would be dead flying through the fire storm, (or maybe my timing is off. also i dont see why neferia and ATlas couldnt be affected, they are sentient humanoids, no matter what their bodies are made of, BUT i mage be wrong on that aswell

[Dipset Byrd Gang]

This is Legionquest Legion. His personalities are a whole and THis is the way he was the last time he appeared in Legionquest and the Muir Island Saga.

It is hard to mind control ionic beings. Havok's plasma blasts should not hurt Neferia. And Atlas for a lil bit.

[Atom_basher]

This is Legionquest Legion. His personalities are a whole and THis is the way he was the last time he appeared in Legionquest and the Muir Island Saga.

It is hard to mind control ionic beings. Havok's plasma blasts should not hurt Neferia. And Atlas for a lil bit.


sorry dont wanna seem like a jerk, but i always thought ionics were heard to mind control with machinery, i remember seeing the scan, and i thought it was explicitly stated it was mind controlled by machines

[Dipset Byrd Gang]

Emma Frost is not that much powerful of a telepath to be doing all the things she is doing and she doesn't have tekenisis. So that Cyclops trick can't work. She just has tp and diamond form and can't use both at the same time. This is her weakness.

Another point how can Havok's plasma rays cancel out a tk blast, let alone a tk blast and pyro blast. If anything it should cancel out one not both and I don't see ot taking out tk.


People please vote. This is a good battle.

[Dipset Byrd Gang]

yES. MACHINES not telepaths. Those are two different things.

[Nightcrawler]

People please vote. This is a good battle.

You're allowed to vote for yourself, you know.

[Dipset Byrd Gang]

I'll save that for later.

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

Emma Frost is not that much powerful of a telepath to be doing all the things she is doing and she doesn't have tekenisis. So that Cyclops trick can't work. She just has tp and diamond form and can't use both at the same time. This is her weakness.

Another point how can Havok's plasma rays cancel out a tk blast, let alone a tk blast and pyro blast. If anything it should cancel out one not both and I don't see ot taking out tk.


People please vote. This is a good battle.

But you are wrong, first Emma has a little ability controling telekenisis, also she is one of the most powerfull mind controling beings on earth, read he descriptions, you will understand, also Hulks mind is super hard to crack unless he lets someone do it, one more thing Cap Neferia can be isally destroyed by the hulk because he destroyed Onslaughts armor in 1 punch
here is a good description of them all
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=3606316&postcount=919
one more thing, the madder the hulk gets, the higher healing factor he has!

[Dipset Byrd Gang]

Yes, she is powerful, but you have do telekinesis, control minds, cast illusions, shield people all in lil time and this leaves her wide open.

She can't make Atlas, Mandarin, Legion or Elctro puke. They all have tp resistance of some sort.

And if she has latent tk. She hardly ever uses it and that is not in person.

[Sean Whitmore]

This is Legionquest Legion. His personalities are a whole and THis is the way he was the last time he appeared in Legionquest and the Muir Island Saga.


Is that what the rule is this time around? (I haven't been following) Whatever their power level was the last time they appeared?

Also, didn't Legion return one last time as several psychic "ghosts" in an issue of Excalibur? With a different "ghost" for each personality.


SEAN

[Sean Whitmore]

Dipset Byrd Gang
I don't know that Legion could easily control Hulk. He's all power and no skill, and Hulk's resistance to telepathy has fluctuated over the years.

I though being in diamond form made Emma impervious to telepathy?



Sophisticated Gamer
Emma sure is doing a LOT. She's powerful, but there's a limit to how many things she can actually concentrate on at any given time. And has she ever shown telekinesis in the past?

Dazzler doesn't kill people. Unless Emma is forcing her to, which is just way too many things for her to be doing.

Can Gambit charge up Nefaria's body? I mean, he's MADE of energy.


SEAN

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

Sean Whitmore Emma is not doing all the things at the same time, First she sets up mind shields, then she is done with that, and she goes onto the next thing makes the guy's puke, and after she is done she goes onto her next task, so she is doing everything step by step... SO it shouldn't be much of a problem for her, also when you adrinaline kicks in and you lay all out for one battlem it is possible for you to make it, and yes, emma has used telekenesis before.

[Beast]

Sean Whitmore Emma is not doing all the things at the same time, First she sets up mind shields, then she is done with that, and she goes onto the next thing makes the guy's puke, and after she is done she goes onto her next task, so she is doing everything step by step... SO it shouldn't be much of a problem for her, also when you adrinaline kicks in and you lay all out for one battlem it is possible for you to make it, and yes, emma has used telekenesis before.
I don't believe so. Do you have a issue refrence for Emma's TK?

[Jessica Drew]

I've read through both of these a few times, and I'm still a bit befuddled. I think both teams are using their psi-powered characters too much, and I really don't think the Hulk can be manipulated that easily, especially when both teams have him being manipulated. Also, I'm still not sure how easily Emma could manipulate both Nefaria AND Atlas.

So...this is how I see it: after the initial rounds, Sophisticated Gamer has Emma and the Hulk left, while Dipset has Count Nefaria, Legion, and Atlas left. Who would win that battle? I've not decided yet, but I'm definitely leaning one way.

[Dipset Byrd Gang]

He is not controlling Hulk just made him see an illsuion. It has been done before plenty of all-times.

If it is step by step it will take some time and my team is not sitting around. They are attacking.

[Sean Whitmore]

Also, I'm still not sure how easily Emma could manipulate both Nefaria AND Atlas.


Have ionic being been shown to be tough to mind-control? Purple Man affected Atlas pretty easily, didn't he?


SEAN

[Atom_basher]

Have ionic being been shown to be tough to mind-control? Purple Man affected Atlas pretty easily, didn't he?


SEAN


Well, no, Atlas only pretended to be affected by purpleman, so he could vent his anger on Genis. but thats because ionic people dont have regular human physiology (sp) so pheremones dont affect them, but not all mind control is created equeal, i dont think an ionic being would be resistant to telepathy because they are sentient. and telepathy doesnt mentally affect people with any sbstance or materials

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

I would like to hear why UTV voted against me, because i have a feeling he voted against me just because he hates me so much :/

I don't believe so. Do you have a issue refrence for Emma's TK?
Generation X #19
also
In a battle with the Phoenix Force, Emma channeled her mental energy into a "psi-bolt" that affected the physical realm, causing the building around her to collapse.

Also emma cannot be affected in her Dimond forum

recent clarifications in X-Men #190 and Astonishing X-Men have shown that Morrison's initial depiction of her powers was correct -- that Emma cannot access her psychic powers in diamond form and vice versa.

[Beast]

A Psi-Bolt is not Telekinesis.

[Sean Whitmore]

Well, no, Atlas only pretended to be affected by purpleman, so he could vent his anger on Genis. but thats because ionic people dont have regular human physiology (sp) so pheremones dont affect them, but not all mind control is created equeal, i dont think an ionic being would be resistant to telepathy because they are sentient. and telepathy doesnt mentally affect people with any sbstance or materials


That's true, P-Man's powers are more physical than regular telepathy.

Without having seen an ionic being faring against telepathy, it's impossible to say. X-Writers especially have come up with numerous B.S. reasons as to why mind-control won't work on this person or that person. The silliest one I remember was Xavier saying he couldn't read Gambit's mind because there was a constant kinetic charge going on in his brain.


SEAN

[Beast]

That's true, P-Man's powers are more physical than regular telepathy.

Without having seen an ionic being faring against telepathy, it's impossible to say. X-Writers especially have come up with numerous B.S. reasons as to why mind-control won't work on this person or that person. The silliest one I remember was Xavier saying he couldn't read Gambit's mind because there was a constant kinetic charge going on in his brain.


SEAN
That one was actually interesting. Of course, it sucks when they ignore it. :p

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

A Psi-Bolt is not Telekinesis.

ok, but in Generation X 19 she levetated knifes and other kitchen aplienses!

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

Ahh this sux, this is basically popularity contest, no wonder twilight will win, everyone likes him, it little dipends on the stratedgy :/

[Doom Hammer]

Ahh this sux, this is basically popularity contest, no wonder twilight will win, everyone likes him, it little dipends on the stratedgy :/

You're not even facing twilight, so what are you even talking about?

And maybe your losing has something to do with the fact that your strategy is filled with questionable maneuvers that have no basis, and it's not anyone else's fault.

And dude, you're losing by three. Why cop to the excuses now, when you still have a chance?

Gah, I don't even know what's happening.

[twilight]

Ahh this sux, this is basically popularity contest, no wonder twilight will win, everyone likes him, it little dipends on the stratedgy :/

Everyone likes me?

News to me.

[Atom_basher]

You're not even facing twilight, so what are you even talking about?

And maybe your losing has something to do with the fact that your strategy is filled with questionable maneuvers that have no basis, and it's not anyone else's fault.

And dude, you're losing by three. Why cop to the excuses now, when you still have a chance?

Gah, I don't even know what's happening.


Yeah, debate, give references, and dfend your strat, dont revert to complaining.

[Jessica Drew]

Everyone likes me?

News to me.

News to me to, you bastard.

[Jessica Drew]

Ahh this sux, this is basically popularity contest, no wonder twilight will win, everyone likes him, it little dipends on the stratedgy :/

Man, you've got at least two people on this thread right now who have yet to vote that are debating the points of the strategies. Almost all of it depends on strategy; popularity has little to do with it. As Evil Doom Hammer mentioned, your strategy--and your opponent's strategy--has some holes and incongruities, and if--right now--more people are voting against you, it's most likely because these people find more holes in your strategy than in his. That's the way it usually goes.

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

Well look who voted against me, UTV, a person that has been pissed at me ever since i got to xcres...

But anyhow, I will stop complaning, but all of my stratadgy manuvers were taken from wikipedia character description, so idk what to say....

[twilight]

Well look who voted against me, UTV, a person that has been pissed at me ever since i got to xcres...

Did you ever consider that he just thought DBG wrote a better strategy?

[Beast]

Everyone likes me?

News to me.
He's trying to campaign for you to win, by claiming everyone likes you... I guess. :confused:

[Doom Hammer]

Well look who voted against me, UTV, a person that has been pissed at me ever since i got to xcres...

But anyhow, I will stop complaning, but all of my stratadgy manuvers were taken from wikipedia character description, so idk what to say....

Show me on wikipedia where it says Gambit can charge energy. He charges inorganic matter...and energy is neither inorganic nor matter. So I doubt that.

And just because Emma can do those things individually does not mean she can do them all at once in the same battle, at least not without bleeding brain out of her nose. And she's not telekinetic, either.

[Expletive Deleted]

Behave, fellows.

Thanks.

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

Show me on wikipedia where it says Gambit can charge energy. He charges inorganic matter...and energy is neither inorganic nor matter. So I doubt that.

And just because Emma can do those things individually does not mean she can do them all at once in the same battle, at least not without bleeding brain out of her nose. And she's not telekinetic, either.

It's in his powers description

[Dipset Byrd Gang]

I know I hav e soome holes, but SG you have more.

-Emma doesn't have tk and she is using her powers so much and so quick.

-Gambit can't charge Neferia.

-Emma can't control ATlas, Neferia, or Legion, or Electro he can use people's tp against them. As shown in Amaizng Soidey 425. He did this to Nate Grey and Nate Grey >>>>>> Emma.

[Dipset Byrd Gang]

Plus i think I am arguing good points,

[Atom_basher]

Plus i think I am arguing good points,


you are arguing good points (makes me wish i didnt vote so soon) BUT i do think u are jumping the gun with the whole resistance to TP thing with Atlas and Neferia

[Sean Whitmore]

-Emma can't control ATlas, Neferia, or Legion, or Electro he can use people's tp against them. As shown in Amaizng Soidey 425. He did this to Nate Grey and Nate Grey >>>>>> Emma.


Well, we actually have no evidence that Emma can't control Atlas or Nefaria. We've never seen telepathy used against them, far as I know, which places the burden of proof in your corner.

And she can definitely control Electro, with ease. The issue you're quoting was one story where Electro's powers were souped up to Magneto-like levels. It doesn't fit the majority of appearances rule or the last appearance rule or any rule you guys are likely to be using.


SEAN

[Jared_Humpherys]

Coupla things:


1) White Queen has not shown any telekinesis since her secondary mutation manifested. Therefore, its use is highly questionable at best.

2) Ionic beings are not immune to telepathy. They are immune to pheromone control because of their altered physiology. If anything, given the mentally unbalancing nature of ionic powers, they are a little MORE susceptible to it than baseline humans.

3) Hulk isn't immune to telepathy either. Both Onslaught and Cable have mentally jacked with him in the past.

4) Gambit cannot charge organic matter. Only him at his peak and his New Son incarnation could do so.. Also, his power replaces potential energy with kinetic. It doesn't ADD energy, it REPLACES energy. It would have no effect on an ionic being.

5) Electro isn't immune to telepathy either. Even at his peak power level, Nate Grey was prepared to mindfry him(and was stopped by Spidey).

That said, I voted for Dipset. His strat has less holes.

[Jeff-E]

I thought it was an interesting battle. I didn't base my vote on plot holes, basically because we can find plot holes in any story weither it be a league like this, or a major story like CW or even my beloved Annhiliation. Wait 'till you read my strategy/story, its got bigger holes than porn-star:eek: . That being said, I voted the way I did not because of plot holes, but because of characters acting too far out of context, i.e. Dazzler and Gambit trying to kill. Sophi-G I hope you don't take any of this personally because its not an attack on you, and if you feel it is I apologize. It was mearly just criticisim, and hopefully crative at that.

[Jessica Drew]

Coupla things:


1) White Queen has not shown any telekinesis since her secondary mutation manifested. Therefore, its use is highly questionable at best.

2) Ionic beings are not immune to telepathy. They are immune to pheromone control because of their altered physiology. If anything, given the mentally unbalancing nature of ionic powers, they are a little MORE susceptible to it than baseline humans.

3) Hulk isn't immune to telepathy either. Both Onslaught and Cable have mentally jacked with him in the past.

4) Gambit cannot charge organic matter. Only him at his peak and his New Son incarnation could do so.. Also, his power replaces potential energy with kinetic. It doesn't ADD energy, it REPLACES energy. It would have no effect on an ionic being.

5) Electro isn't immune to telepathy either. Even at his peak power level, Nate Grey was prepared to mindfry him(and was stopped by Spidey).

That said, I voted for Dipset. His strat has less holes.

...uh...yeah! What he said!

[Jared_Humpherys]

...uh...yeah! What he said!


For some reason, this makes my day. :D

(ego +3)

[Sophisticated_Gamer]

I thought it was an interesting battle. I didn't base my vote on plot holes, basically because we can find plot holes in any story weither it be a league like this, or a major story like CW or even my beloved Annhiliation. Wait 'till you read my strategy/story, its got bigger holes than porn-star:eek: . That being said, I voted the way I did not because of plot holes, but because of characters acting too far out of context, i.e. Dazzler and Gambit trying to kill. Sophi-G I hope you don't take any of this personally because its not an attack on you, and if you feel it is I apologize. It was mearly just criticisim, and hopefully crative at that.

it's all good, but Dazzler and Gambit weren't action out of Carecter, emma was fing with them

[Jared_Humpherys]

Well, congrats to Dipset, and good match y'all. I look forward to facing you guys in the next two weeks.

[Dipset Byrd Gang]

I can't wait to face you JH. You have a helluva team and I have to do some research. Especally for Blackbolt and that Harbringer. Your team will still go down anyway.

[Brian M.]

Well look who voted against me, UTV, a person that has been pissed at me ever since i got to xcres...

But anyhow, I will stop complaning, but all of my stratadgy manuvers were taken from wikipedia character description, so idk what to say....

I voted against you b/c your strategy had more holes in it than the other player. Emma using TK? Also since when has Emma ever adjusted a teammates mentallity to make them kill? She wouldn't do that. I found your strategy weaker than the other one. It's not a personal slight against you at all.