Legal Solution to Civil War

[Kirk G]

It occurs to me that since the Superpower Registration Act was a legal measure enacted by Congress in the wake of the Stamford Incident, that like most over-reactions, they are corrected by the next generation or as soon as the next elections come around. At least a discussion starts on "Who Watches the Watchmen" or "Have we surrendered too many personal civil liberties, etc.

It occurs to me that the way to redress the Registration Act is to file a legal challenge in the proper court. In order to do that, you need someone who is a legal eagle. And the superhero community has at least two obvious choices: Matt Murdock and Foggy Nelson.

Gee, isn't it convenient that Murdock was sent to prison, out of the way... and Nelson has been wisked away into the witness protection program where he appears to be held against his will by the government. What better way to checkmate the superheroes' legal resources by waylaying their lawyers.:(

Doesn't this seem to be Agent Hill or SHIELD's agenda?:rolleyes:

What do you think?

How many lawyers in the marvel universe? Are they all free?
Who would you hire?

[The Confessor]

Well...I'm no She-Hulk aficionado but isn't she a lawyer? She was recently representing Speedball and trying to broker a deal between him and the authorities in the CW: Frontline series.

Interesting conspiracy theory about the higher-ups like SHEILD conveniently tying up all the other 'legal' type heroes though. You could be onto something.

[bulbasteve]

It occurs to me that since the Superpower Registration Act was a legal measure enacted by Congress in the wake of the Stamford Incident, that like most over-reactions, they are corrected by the next generation or as soon as the next elections come around. At least a discussion starts on "Who Watches the Watchmen" or "Have we surrendered too many personal civil liberties, etc.

It occurs to me that the way to redress the Registration Act is to file a legal challenge in the proper court. In order to do that, you need someone who is a legal eagle. And the superhero community has at least two obvious choices: Matt Murdock and Foggy Nelson.

Gee, isn't it convenient that Murdock was sent to prison, out of the way... and Nelson has been wisked away into the witness protection program where he appears to be held against his will by the government. What better way to checkmate the superheroes' legal resources by waylaying their lawyers.:(

Doesn't this seem to be Agent Hill or SHIELD's agenda?:rolleyes:

What do you think?

How many lawyers in the marvel universe? Are they all free?
Who would you hire?

Well since it is an allegory for the Patriot Act, you have to remember that a lot of controvercial measures have a certain time limit and congress has to vote to reinstate them. So there is yet another level of checks in these sorts of acts of Congress.

The lawyer conspiracy theory really doesn't work. Since first Murdock was put in prison for things long outstanding and happened a while before Stamford. She-Hulk is on the pro-reg side and even wrote the Bugle op-ed on why the act was constitutional. Plus ANY lawyer can take these cases, I mean do you need a terrorist lawyer to defend the gitmo prisoners, now do you? It's just silly to think you would need a superhero lawyer, and anyway as the old saying goes "he who represents himself has a fool for an attorney."

[the Dagman]

The Superhero Registration Act has a big difference from the Patriot Act. The Patriot Act is supposedly directed towards apprehending foreign terrorists. The Superhero Registration Act is directed at American citizens. If you are deemed to have a "power" suddenly the protection of the constitution of the United States is stripped from you. It would be nice to see an actual text representation of the SRA, but from what I can surmise it violates at least SIX different amendments to the constitution! Get a lawyer to take it before the Supreme Court and have the Act struck down as unconstitutional seems the best choice for action.

One good way to get the mass public to come down against the SRA: Take your average parent and SRA supporter and his/her baby boy/girl is starting to get a little older. No big deal, it happens to everyone. So his/her son/daughter gets a little bit older and eventually starts to hit puberty. Only the child is now discovered to be a mutant who can fly and project energy blasts. He/she is still your little baby boy/girl that you have raised from the day he/she was born, this is a big change and the whole family is scared. Then there is a knock at the door and it is SHIELD. A squad of fully armed and armored SHIELD agents enter the already scared family's house to make the new mutant register. And not only register, the child's powers are high on the desirable list so he/she is taken into SHIELD custody for immediate training and deployment. Then we see that average parent and SRA supporter whose baby boy/girl is now gone. Gone to wage war and risk his/her life on the superhero front lines and never gets to grow up, never gets to choose.

[bulbasteve]

The Superhero Registration Act has a big difference from the Patriot Act. The Patriot Act is supposedly directed towards apprehending foreign terrorists. The Superhero Registration Act is directed at American citizens. If you are deemed to have a "power" suddenly the protection of the constitution of the United States is stripped from you. It would be nice to see an actual text representation of the SRA, but from what I can surmise it violates at least SIX different amendments to the constitution! Get a lawyer to take it before the Supreme Court and have the Act struck down as unconstitutional seems the best choice for action.

Which ones in particular?

One good way to get the mass public to come down against the SRA: Take your average parent and SRA supporter and his/her baby boy/girl is starting to get a little older. No big deal, it happens to everyone. So his/her son/daughter gets a little bit older and eventually starts to hit puberty. Only the child is now discovered to be a mutant who can fly and project energy blasts. He/she is still your little baby boy/girl that you have raised from the day he/she was born, this is a big change and the whole family is scared. Then there is a knock at the door and it is SHIELD. A squad of fully armed and armored SHIELD agents enter the already scared family's house to make the new mutant register. And not only register, the child's powers are high on the desirable list so he/she is taken into SHIELD custody for immediate training and deployment. Then we see that average parent and SRA supporter whose baby boy/girl is now gone. Gone to wage war and risk his/her life on the superhero front lines and never gets to grow up, never gets to choose.

Except you have no idea that this is what happens.

[XPac]

Frontline shows me one thing... Jen is a SUCKY lawyer who is placing the Registration agenda ahead of basic constitutional rights. I think a lawyer OTHER than her, one that actually possesses some grasp of the constituion should take a look at the thing.


As it stands now, I'm still betting the courts will shoot it down before all is said and done. The idea itself isn't bad or even necessarily unconstitutional, but many other aspects of it are very questionable (or downright stupid). IF the registration is to exist in Marvel, it's gotta be a watered down one. Not the one we have now.

[Kirk G]

Yes, I had over-looked Jen Walters, silly me.
Yep, she has initially shown up on the Pro-Registration side.
She also has been busy with a mind-control/emotional control issue over in She-Hulk that may or may not be linked with Star-Fox. (No further spoiler here) and she's just gotten married. Been a little distracted.
Still, she's not out of consideration for switching sides or introducing the challenge at a date in the near future.

Jes' thinkin' aloud here, guys.

Please continue. (Yep, Murdock may have been in prison before this all started, but then, we've all be guessing about the sequencing of DD in light of the imposter and just where this fits in, right?) Just saying the two biggest guns are out of the playing field in that legal firm right now. PS: Why is Mr. Nix in She-Hulk's legal firm? Isn't some hanky panky going on there right now? (hint, hint)