The Official Unmasking Thread

[Sean Whitmore]

Here it is! Your one-stop thread for everything unmasking-related! Ask questions, offer criticisms, discuss implications...just be civil! That's the name of this war, after all.

SEAN

[Mister Mets]

I thought Civil War #2 was an excellent issue, but the thing everyone's going to be talking about is the last 4 pages.

What did you think of how it was done?
How would you guys like to see this plot thread continue?
What does it mean for the other Spider-Man books?
What status quo do you guys want for Spider-Man when Civil War's over?

I won't spoil the specific event for you, but the New York Post will.
http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/spidey_unmasked_nationalnews_dareh_gregorian.htm

[algertman]

All those years of fighting to protect is secret identity were for nothing. MARVEL is ran by worst group of people ou could imagine.

[CMBMOOL]

Well I'm PO'ed about how they did this!!! :mad:


Shock to see various Marvel Heroes who are friends with Spidey seeing the television conference!! :eek:

Although it was worth it seeing J Johan Jameson fanited. :D

I would NOT LIKE TO SEE THIS CONTINUE!!! :mad:

Will see the people in Peter's life reactions in an issue of Sensational.

In a Post Civil War world: I would like the Secret ID back in place. HOW, I let Marvel Figure that one out.

[Calculator]

The real question to me is how many issues it will take for either Mary Jane and or Aunt May to get killed "tragically". I put tragically in quotes because anything bad that happens to peter from here on out is his fault and I won't have any sympathy. In fact, I'm almost hoping Aunt May gets gutted by the Green Goblin or something equally horrible.

[CMBMOOL]

The real question to me is how many issues it will take for either Mary Jane and or Aunt May to get killed "tragically". I put tragically in quotes because anything bad that happens to peter from here on out is his fault and I won't have any sympathy. In fact, I'm almost hoping Aunt May gets gutted by the Green Goblin or something equally horrible.


I say blame it on Tony, for it's his fault. :mad:

[Red Lotus]

The real question to me is how many issues it will take for either Mary Jane and or Aunt May to get killed "tragically". I put tragically in quotes because anything bad that happens to peter from here on out is his fault and I won't have any sympathy. In fact, I'm almost hoping Aunt May gets gutted by the Green Goblin or something equally horrible.


Thats too good. It has to be some spare bad guy like Kangaroo or Spot. That way he can blame the SRA for it.

[stillanerd]

I say blame it on Tony, for it's his fault. :mad:

Not to mention Aunt May with her "People will respect and love you more as a hero if you unmask" speech.

Marvel has really dug themselves into a real hole with this one (course I knew about it since last week :D)

[Trusty Mutsi]

Well I'm PO'ed about how they did this!!! :mad:


Shock to see various Marvel Heroes who are friends with Spidey seeing the television conference!! :eek:

Although it was worth it seeing J Johan Jameson fanited. :D

I would NOT LIKE TO SEE THIS CONTINUE!!! :mad:

Will see the people in Peter's life reactions in an issue of Sensational.

In a Post Civil War world: I would like the Secret ID back in place. HOW, I let Marvel Figure that one out.

I would be MORE upset by Marvel making his ID a secret again. Poop or get off the pot.

[bolt98]

I am willing to give it a chance. See how it plays out. But this pretty much ends Peter Parker as a character. What school is going to hire a teacher who causes as much trouble and destruction as Spider Man? Is JJJ going to keep Parker busy with more freelance work? I don't think so.

It will be interesting to see how Marvel puts the "genie back in the bottle". Will Dr. Strange do a mind swipe on the entire Earth? Maybe this is all a dream. Maybe Marvel will have a Crisis in the coming year and all the heroes are reborn.

[CMBMOOL]

I would be MORE upset by Marvel making his ID a secret again. Poop or get off the pot.

Why would you be more upset if his ID was secret again ? :(

[Tinmansstory]

The only sentiment I agree with here is that it is unlikely we will ever get to see Peter as a freelance photographer or a teacher again. Pretty much every superhero will become a policeman, so there's not really any room for variation. Other than that, I am alright with it. Civil War #2, for the most part, seemed very pro-registration, which a lot of people were claiming Marvel would never do.

[Logansmiddleclaw]

I am willing to give it a chance. See how it plays out. But this pretty much ends Peter Parker as a character. What school is going to hire a teacher who causes as much trouble and destruction as Spider Man? Is JJJ going to keep Parker busy with more freelance work? I don't think so.

It will be interesting to see how Marvel puts the "genie back in the bottle". Will Dr. Strange do a mind swipe on the entire Earth? Maybe this is all a dream. Maybe Marvel will have a Crisis in the coming year and all the heroes are reborn.

You hit the nail right on the head. It's Spidey 24/7 now. I really think that this is temporary....but I have no idea how Marvel will clean up THIS mess....

[Arilou]

*sigh*

Do you seriously think this will last? It won't "ruin" the character because in a year the thing will be back to status quo.

[littleredhat]

It's done. You really shouldn't be so pissed off. So the story moved forward. Stories do that. Either you want continuty or you want everything to stay the same.

They've got an eternally young unchanging Spider-man in marvel adventures. Read that I've heard nothing but good things.

But in the regualar 616 time passes and things change thats the way it has always been. And for every generation spider-man will change. And their will be new things happening until Marvel puts an end to 616 universe.

People who grew up with Gwen Stacy as spider-man's girlfriend will usually prefer her,people who first bought all those venom stories were pissed at eddie brock's death. And I still miss Ben Reilly. But as long as the original spider-man exists in continuty he will continue to change.

Personally after 40 odd years this was just about the only story left to tell.

Then again I only read Spider-Girl,Ultimate, and Mary Jane anyway.:p

[Trusty Mutsi]

Why would you be more upset if his ID was secret again ? :(

Because I'm tired of "BIG CHANGES" happening, and then going back to the way things were. I'm not shocked buy anything anymore, because it always gets fixed.

Hal Jordan is Green Lantern again.

Ben Reilly WASN'T the orginal after all.

Tony Stark's secret ID is secret again.

Bucky AND Jason Todd are alive again.

[Sizzle]

Wow, now this explains why Spidey took his mask off all the time in Spider-Man 2 in front of people....

I used to love Spidey, but I quit before the Clone Saga, and I have not seen a reason to come back yet.

[Drakenred]

In a Post Civil War world: I would like the Secret ID back in place. HOW, I let Marvel Figure that one out.

Simple

4 words

HULK SMASH PUNY CONTINUITY!

Serisouly he could not do worse than to Recon punch reality

[DarkCrisis]

it won't stick. Quesada has been saying for months now how he wants to bring Spidy back to the way he was BEFORE his marriage to MJ (cause his marriage brings him down)... doing THIS is so far away from that line of thinking.

That or Q is just a huge hypocrite.

[Jared_Humpherys]

it won't stick. Quesada has been saying for months now how he wants to bring Spidy back to the way he was BEFORE his marriage to MJ (cause his marriage brings him down)... doing THIS is so far away from that line of thinking.

That or Q is just a huge hypocrite.


I actually disagree. Marvel may see this as a good way to turn Spidey back into a "guilty bachelor." If Aunt May and MJ are killed because Spidey's identity is public knowledge, not only does that make Spidey single again, it also gives him a huge font of guilt to draw from. Because revealing his identity put his loved ones in danger. Just like when he let the crook go who ended up killing uncle Ben, this could be a choice that backfires and redefines Spider-Man.

Now, I'm not saying Marvel will actually do this, but if Joey Q wasn't full of crap, and this isn't just some lame stunt, this will be what is done.

[Hellfan]

Flash's brain is gonna fry yet again!

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Yet more reasons to keep dropping Spidey titles. Its a shame...no one knows this charactor anymore at Marvel. This is only done for a sales stunt and it like Sins Past is gonna bite them in the ass worst.

Its a shame...too. The only real Spiderman is in the Ultimate Universe. Its gonna take a hell of a " Crisis on Infinite Earths " to fix this charactor. He's getting mangled worse than Superman ever was.

[SnakeEater]

The only sentiment I agree with here is that it is unlikely we will ever get to see Peter as a freelance photographer or a teacher again. Pretty much every superhero will become a policeman, so there's not really any room for variation. Other than that, I am alright with it. Civil War #2, for the most part, seemed very pro-registration, which a lot of people were claiming Marvel would never do.

You remember how quesada said he would return Peter to his status quo from before....HAHAHAHA what a pile of crap they fed us. Honestly im ticked the heck off. It was spoiled for me by THE NEW YORK POST this morning so the feeling of OH MY GOD wasnt there after i read it. However back to point, where does it leave spidey now? well if he is spiderman 24/7 then we can kiss that supporting cast gone for good now.
The upside, if this sticks then we wont have to deal with norman or anyone who does know his identity saying "hahaha do as i say or i will kill this person and tell the world who you are." now if lets say Aunt May gets whacked my Carnage, or MJ killed by any Goblin, then when Spidey beats the tar out of them, he will at least get a check from the government. Judas H Priest, ive been reading Spider-man for 13 years and honestly i havent felt this bad since the reboot from 99/2000. This is really a major bummer for me.

[SnakeEater]

I actually disagree. Marvel may see this as a good way to turn Spidey back into a "guilty bachelor." If Aunt May and MJ are killed because Spidey's identity is public knowledge, not only does that make Spidey single again, it also gives him a huge font of guilt to draw from. Because revealing his identity put his loved ones in danger. Just like when he let the crook go who ended up killing uncle Ben, this could be a choice that backfires and redefines Spider-Man.

Now, I'm not saying Marvel will actually do this, but if Joey Q wasn't full of crap, and this isn't just some lame stunt, this will be what is done.


Im not worried about them being killed off, it would be some hoax in the end and someone just drugged either of the two and made it seemed like they died...ie Amazing Spider-Man volume 2 issue 13. so who cares at this point. My only hope is that the watcher or something finally interferes and reverse what just might be the stupidest thing i've ever see.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

You remember how quesada said he would return Peter to his status quo from before....HAHAHAHA what a pile of crap they fed us. Honestly im ticked the heck off. It was spoiled for me by THE NEW YORK POST this morning so the feeling of OH MY GOD wasnt there after i read it. However back to point, where does it leave spidey now? well if he is spiderman 24/7 then we can kiss that supporting cast gone for good now.
The upside, if this sticks then we wont have to deal with norman or anyone who does know his identity saying "hahaha do as i say or i will kill this person and tell the world who you are." now if lets say Aunt May gets whacked my Carnage, or MJ killed by any Goblin, then when Spidey beats the tar out of them, he will at least get a check from the government. Judas H Priest, ive been reading Spider-man for 13 years and honestly i havent felt this bad since the reboot from 99/2000. This is really a major bummer for me.


The bad part is...who wants to read Spiderman to see him play Policeman all the time. 1st they overdone the whole Avengers/Spiderman connection and now the company ups and cuts him futhor from his base.

If there are rules on how to " Destroy a Charactor " in 10 easy steps then Joe Quesada and JMS have pretty much ran thru them all.

[MazingMan728]

Playing devil’s advocate…maybe this will open up more options to stories and help make the Parker’s marriage stronger as Peter now has to also save the world and his wife who was also behind and supporting his unmasking, kind of like Jack Ryan with spider powers. And now that Spidey is unmasked does he really need a costume? Can’t he just swing around town in jeans and a t-shirt since he no longer has to hide who he is?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Playing devil’s advocate…maybe this will open up more options to stories and help make the Parker’s marriage stronger as Peter now has to also save the world and his wife who was also behind and supporting his unmasking, kind of like Jack Ryan with spider powers. And now that Spidey is unmasked does he really need a costume? Can’t he just swing around town in jeans and a t-shirt since he no longer has to hide who he is?


And why call himself Spiderman anymore anyhow ? Shouldn't he call himself " Joe Quesada " and fight crime under his real name ? I mean...really. What a f-ckin waste.

[Kevinroc]

And why call himself Spiderman anymore anyhow ? Shouldn't he call himself " Joe Quesada " and fight crime under his real name ? I mean...really. What a f-ckin waste.

Joe Q. Joe Q. Does whatever an editor do. Drives fans up a web. Pisses off fanboys just like flies. Look out, here comes Joey Q.

[ViciousX]

Change is good. Why tell the same stories over and over again. We have room for new ones now.

[borateen]

Wow. I saw the spoiler on the CBR front page, and it really made me wish I could still afford to read monthly comics.

Everyone is welcome to their opinion, and from the posters here, those opinions aren't very positive. Personally, I'd be EXTREMELY interested to see where TPTB are going with this. Hell, I thought the clone stuff was a very interesting concept...until we got to the long, horrible, painful execution. Personally, I trust JMS, PAD, and the others to still tell interesting, gripping, wonderful Spidey tales.

[BeastieRunner]

Simple

2 words

HULK SMASH!

The fans are angry. You wouldn't like us when we're angry . . .

[Mister Mets]

Wow, now this explains why Spidey took his mask off all the time in Spider-Man 2 in front of people....

I used to love Spidey, but I quit before the Clone Saga, and I have not seen a reason to come back yet.

Go to a comic book store, or a book store with a decent slection, and check out Spider-Man/ Human Torch digest for eight bucks. That'll be Reason #1.

*sigh*

Do you seriously think this will last? It won't "ruin" the character because in a year the thing will be back to status quo.

I think it'll happen in less time than that. Civil War #7.....which hopefully won't be delayed at all.

I would be MORE upset by Marvel making his ID a secret again. Poop or get off the pot.

It all depends on what Marvel's long-term plans are.
Staying on the pot without pooping has been their MO for a long time.
I just read a Silver Age Captain America tale where Cap made his Steve Rogers identity secret once again.

The real question to me is how many issues it will take for either Mary Jane and or Aunt May to get killed "tragically". I put tragically in quotes because anything bad that happens to peter from here on out is his fault and I won't have any sympathy. In fact, I'm almost hoping Aunt May gets gutted by the Green Goblin or something equally horrible.

If the Green Goblin does something bad, it has nothing to do with Peter revealing his identity. Unless he's compelled to do it before another supervillain gets the chance.

I wouldn't call it Peter's fault.

[Mister Mets]

I actually disagree. Marvel may see this as a good way to turn Spidey back into a "guilty bachelor." If Aunt May and MJ are killed because Spidey's identity is public knowledge, not only does that make Spidey single again, it also gives him a huge font of guilt to draw from. Because revealing his identity put his loved ones in danger. Just like when he let the crook go who ended up killing uncle Ben, this could be a choice that backfires and redefines Spider-Man.

Now, I'm not saying Marvel will actually do this, but if Joey Q wasn't full of crap, and this isn't just some lame stunt, this will be what is done.

This would be an entirely different fountain of guilt, one that resulted from Peter doing what he thought was right. And I believe that the secret identity is a more important part ot the character than being single/ married.

Change is good. Why tell the same stories over and over again. We have room for new ones now.

Change isn't always good, and if this become Peter Parker's permanent status quo I'd say that it was a change for the worse.

[Messiah Complex]

I don't mean to be sound harsh, but grow some b@lls, fanboys. How many more decades are we going to read about Spidey hiding his identity from JJJ? Cause really, that's the only person left who mattered who didn't know it anyway. He's got SHIELD/Avengers protection, so it really doesn't matter. And his "whole family" is 2 people. Aunt May mentioned Senators and the secret service. So MJ and Aunt May will have a government mandated superhero chaperone (ala Spider Woman in NA #1) when Pete isn't around, and really, when do we ever see either of them without Pete? I think this is a great twist and its good to see Marvel is committing to this new direction for Spidey that they started with him joining the Avengers (or revealing himself to Aunt May if you want to get technical.) My only concern is that Marvel is going to read all the knee jerk negative reaction online and reneg. I do see how this might take a certain amount of inherent drama out of the book, but it just forces the writers to come up with new dramatic angles. And really, Spidey's been do for some serious change for, oh, about 2 decades now.

As for brushing 616 Spidey aside for Ultimate Spidey, I think it's actually a very different situation. Because they have Ultimate Spidey, who absolutely HAS to keep his secret ID and is basically operating under the same conditions as the classic 60s Spidey, it frees them up to do some truly radical things with the 616 version. Which is how it should be. You want to see Spidey sneaking in through his window for the billionth time? Ultimate. You want to see Spidey FINALLY growing up? 616.

And no one seems to be dicussing the point that, characterwise, this is absolutely what Pete would do.

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SATAN SAYS: The new me is really Hawkeye.

[philly]

And no one seems to be dicussing the point that, characterwise, this is absolutely what Pete would do.

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SATAN SAYS: The new me is really Hawkeye.

No he would not, the real Peter Parker would have never endangered his family to stand with some lousy piece of registration. He would have gave up his life of being Spider-man before he would do something as stupid as to revel his identity to the public.

[Alan2099]

Change is good. Why tell the same stories over and over again. We have room for new ones now.
Why keep doing things you like? There are plenty of things that you hate that you could be doing instead.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Well I'm gonna leave this topic. Because for now my last Spidey title is gone. I wish people luck with it. Due to rising costs ( budget) and all I had dropped Ultimate Spiderman and Sensational Spiderman.

So since issue #380 of Amazing Spiderman...its over for me. I came in thru the Marvel Universe thru Spidey. He was the 1st Marvel charactor I collected. I stuck by him in some pretty damn dark days ( the relaunch 1998/1999, Chapter #1) and was always in his corner. :(

But I suppose time marches on for him. I wish them luck...but I'll be back when Johns or someones retcons things down the road.

[Effect]

Just thought of something. You know how people are saying that Peter will have to Spider-man 24/7 now. Isn't he already Spider-man 24/7? How many times over the years has he been late for something or run off somewhere to help save someone or help out in a situation when he's doing things as Peter Parker?

Hasn't he always put his "normal" life on hold to become Spider-man? If he was trying to maintain a sense of normal life wouldn't he set a time to be Spider-man instead of just disappearing at times ala Superman?

At least this way if he has to leave, people know he's going to save someone, etc. He can openly save a person direction in front of him without having to put the suit on, wasting time. Just a thought.

What I'm afraid is going to happen is that he's going to be accepted by the public only to go to the anti-side and have them all turn on him as a result. I think more people should be worried about that. What is going to happen when he leaves the Pro side? How ugly do you think the situation is going to get?

For it to get ugly and it most certainly will I think, most likely him unmasking is going to have a very positive results for him and with the general public.

Anyway I'm happy with him unmasking and I think it goes right along with the character and his whole responsibly issue and how it's adapted to the situation at hand. I'd be more worried and upset if Aunt May and MJ were against him unmasking but they were for it and understand the risk behind it and believe it's a good thing. I think so as well.

As I said in the other thread. Him unmasking himself in the public like this is the best way for him to clean up Spider-man's image with the general marvel universe public. They now have a face behind the mask and are hearing his story and his desire to do good. They no longer have just a newpaper to inform their opinion of him and now they can begin to question all the negative things told to him about Spider-man.

Is Spidey being used, I think he is, but I also think this is a good thing for the character and can see a LOT, LOT of interesting stories resulting from this even if public opinion of him goes south once he goes to the Anti-side.

[Messiah Complex]

Originally posted by philly
No he would not, the real Peter Parker would have never endangered his family to stand with some lousy piece of registration.

Fair point, but I also think he's the "all american" type, and since he's seen in the last few months that he can trust some establishment types to stand by him, I think he would want to do this. Luke Cage, in the last issue of the Pulse, pointed out that Spidey always cuts and runs when he beats someone and then wonders why no one trusts him (and why he fights the same 8 guys over and over.) I think he's realized that his way of doing things just kind of isn't working. I think Pete knows he'd never really give up Spidey, and anything else besides going public would turn his family into fugitives, so I think this move makes a lot of sense. And I think the Stamford event really shook him, too.

Slightly off topic, but I still can't shake the feeling that maybe Tony is using Pete as a bit of a shield. Ah, I don't know.

I like huge, dangerous shifts in plot and character that permanently ruin characters personally. Dunno why. Loved the Clone Saga, Parallax, Death of Superman. Gimme more.

SATAN SAYS: Something ironically humorous.

[KNICKNEVIN]

Earlier someone said about Aunt May and MJ being in danger from Spidey's rogues. I think differently. Norman Osbourne has for years, taken great pleasure in the fact that he was one of the few villains to know Spidey was Peter, and used this leverage against him in every battle "Let me go or the old woman gets it" - Everyone knows now so he loses his edge and would probably leave Spidey alone.

One thing I can't help notice though is that Spidey deliberately wears his old costume, not the iron-spider costume. Now, this may have been written as a "I'm doing this for me, not Tony" thing, but it does allow for a scapegoat later on. After all this is over, Peter can drop the blame on Tony and say "He made me dress as Spider-Man to support his act. I was never Spider-Man" and things return to normal.

[Calculator]

If the Green Goblin does something bad, it has nothing to do with Peter revealing his identity. Unless he's compelled to do it before another supervillain gets the chance.

I wouldn't call it Peter's fault.

Peter does not make the Green Goblin do anything, that we can agree on. My issue is this. All of his villains have had it out for him for years. He knows if they knew who he really was, the easiest way to get to him would be to get his girlfriend.

He knows this because this has happened before. Remember Gwen Stacey?

This combined with the fact he saw first hand Daredevil, one of his close friends, life fall apart over his secret identity being leaked out should have been the deciding factor in whether or not to reveal his identity.

Personal beliefs aside, he has just put a bullseye on himself and everyone he loves, where before it was just on him. And believe me, no Ivory Tower will ever stop the wrath that will fall upon him.

It just strikes me as a really really stupid thing to do, so much so that I can't suspend my disbelief.

So I'm not angry that they revealed his identity, just disappointed that I am to understand that Peter "everyone shits on me" Parker would make such a stupid decision.

[damngary]

dear god fanboys. get a grip, so far its a worhtwhile story, things change everything does. it was going to happen down the road anyway, i mean it was inevitable for marvel to pull it for some reason. just be glad its in a good story!

[Alan2099]

It's not a good story.

[Messiah Complex]

As for the Daredevil thing, I think seeing what happened to Matt BECAUSE he lied about his ID might be part of Pete's motivation (really need to stop talking about him as if he's real, but anyway...)

[Drakenred]

Because I'm tired of "BIG CHANGES" happening, and then going back to the way things were. I'm not shocked buy anything anymore, because it always gets fixed.

Hal Jordan is Green Lantern again.

Ben Reilly WASN'T the orginal after all.

Tony Stark's secret ID is secret again.

Bucky AND Jason Todd are alive again.um no

Everyone knows that Iron Man is an Alcoholic.

[Jake V]

It's not a good story.
Says who? An anonymous message board poster?

Why would a negative opinion be worth more than a posititve one?

[Alan2099]

Says who? An anonymous message board poster?

Why would a negative opinion be worth more than a posititve one?
I thought we already exstablished that I said that. It kinda goes along with the fact that the text has my name and avatar next to it. No worries though. That's an easy mistake to make. :D

And why wouldn't a negative opinion be worth more than a positive one? It all boils down to how much faith you put in the person saying it.

[Jake V]

I thought we already exstablished that I said that. It kinda goes along with the fact that the text has my name and avatar next to it. No worries though. That's an easy mistake to make. :D

And why wouldn't a negative opinion be worth more than a positive one? It all boils down to how much faith you put in the person saying it.
Oh ok. You had me confused for a second, I thought the poster with your screen name quit the board in a rather dramatic fashion. You must have got his screen name once he was done with it. It makes sense now. Can't imagine anyone would have much faith in a guy who quits over a dislike for the content of current comics, and then comes back after the content doesn't change back to the way they liked it.

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Find The Scarlett Witch!


This is not a Bendis Trilogy, but they all feel connected:

1) Dis-Assembled

2) House of M

3) Civil War


Wanda will warp reality one more time...

[Alan2099]

Nah. That wasn't why I quit at all. It was over issues (not comic issues) that I'm not allowed to talk about, and there wasn't any drama. I changed my avatar, sig, and made a single post a line or two long over in the Deathspiral thread.

[Jake V]

Find The Scarlett Witch!


This is the Bendis Trilogy:

1) Dis-Assembled

2) House of M

3) Civil War


Wanda will warp reality one more time...
Bendis isn't writing Civil War.

You were almost on to something there.

[Jake V]

Nah. That wasn't why I quit at all. It was over issues (not comic issues) that I'm not allowed to talk about, and there wasn't any drama. I changed my avatar, sig, and made a single post a line or two long over in the Deathspiral thread.
Sounds like the kind of board drama that I avoid.

And I don't read the Rumbles board much, so I guess I missed whatever happened.

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Bendis isn't writing Civil War.

You were almost on to something there.

lol! I thought I needed to check that one first as I've yet to purchase a CV book..

Still, there seems to be 3 guys making all the big moves at Marvel now-a-days..

Anyways..


Remember:

Wanda can always set things right...

"Marvel Re-Set: 2007"

[Alan2099]

I don't tend to like board drama either. That's why I left. Nothing was happening to me, I just didn't like what was going on around me.

Oh... and to get back on subject...

I really doubt JJ's going to take things lying down (once he gets back up) what does anybody think he's going to do now that he knows who Spidey actually is?

[Jake V]

I really doubt JJ's going to take things lying down (once he gets back up) what does anybody think he's going to do now that he knows who Spidey actually is?
It could go 2 ways. It seems as though Peter Parker might end up being the friendly, public face of the pro-registration movement, thus making JJJ reluctantly support Spider-Man because of how represents a movement he's in favor of.

OR, his hate of Spider-Man is so great that he turns completely anti-registration.

Personally, I can't wait to see ANY sort of interaction between JJJ and Peter now that Jonah knows. He might demand back any money he paid for photos. That would be pretty funny.

I predict comedy, if nothing else.

[Alan2099]

I certaily hope so. It might actually be intresting to see JJ try to sue Peter. They could even get She-Hulk or DD involved in that one.

[Young Avenger]

I support Spider-Man's unmasking. I thought that the build-up and his reasons for doing it were greatly done. Now that the public knows who he is they will respect him more, be more trusting towards him and it will lead to interesting new stories.

[Drakenred]

OR, his hate of Spider-Man is so great that he turns completely anti-registration..

http://www.samruby.com/Spiderverse/Jameson/Admission.JPG

Unless things have changes since Amazing Spiderman 10,

[Effect]

http://www.samruby.com/Spiderverse/Jameson/Admission.JPG

Unless things have changes since Amazing Spiderman 10,

Hmm a bigger version of that would be a LOT better and more helpful. :)

[Sean Walsh]

Tony Stark: "Peter, take your mask off."

Peter Parker: "Sure thing, boss."


Thanks, Marvel. :rolleyes:

[Alan2099]

Hmm a bigger version of that would be a LOT better and more helpful. :)
Quick summary:
"Spider-man's a good man. I could never be that good. I'm jealous. Since I can't be that good, I'm going to have to tear him down to my level if not worse."

[GRANDPA]

I support Spider-Man's unmasking. I thought that the build-up and his reasons for doing it were greatly done. Now that the public knows who he is they will respect him more, be more trusting towards him and it will lead to interesting new stories.
you hit it perfect...great new story lines coming and thats a good thing

[Edward J Cunningham]

Why would you be more upset if his ID was secret again ? :(

Probably for the same reason I am by how Marvel "restored" Tony Stark's secret identity. I don't see any way to get the genie back in the bottle. If you are going to do this, go forward and take the consequences of this decision. It will seem like a cheap publicity stunt in the MU was mindwiped about Peter's secret identity only two months after he publicly reveals it to the world.

[the Hornet]

I am willing to give it a chance. See how it plays out. But this pretty much ends Peter Parker as a character. What school is going to hire a teacher who causes as much trouble and destruction as Spider Man? Is JJJ going to keep Parker busy with more freelance work? I don't think so.

It will be interesting to see how Marvel puts the "genie back in the bottle". Will Dr. Strange do a mind swipe on the entire Earth? Maybe this is all a dream. Maybe Marvel will have a Crisis in the coming year and all the heroes are reborn.

With him outed, Spidey has no need for a regular job. He can now do research work at Shield or the government or Avengers. As long as he is in the Avengers, his family is protected.

I am not sure if I like this change but now that it is done, I would like Marvel to do their best with it. Not try it out for a year then give in and reboot the whole thing. Somewhere, I can imagine John Bryne already plotting a storyline to revamp all this. *shudder*.

BTW, this thing is in Yahoo news -

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060614/ennew_afp/afpentertainmentusbookscomicsspiderman_06061415300 3

[stillanerd]

I support Spider-Man's unmasking. I thought that the build-up and his reasons for doing it were greatly done. Now that the public knows who he is they will respect him more, be more trusting towards him and it will lead to interesting new stories.

That's the thing though: Spider-Man was more famous or infamous than Peter Parker. Just because the public knows who is now under the mask doesn't necessarily mean that their opinion of him will change. In other words, Aunt May was WRONG when she said people would "love him more as a hero if he came out and unmasked." All this has done is made sure Peter Parker cannot live a normal life outside of being Spider-Man.

[SnakeEater]

One thing I can't help notice though is that Spidey deliberately wears his old costume, not the iron-spider costume. Now, this may have been written as a "I'm doing this for me, not Tony" thing, but it does allow for a scapegoat later on. After all this is over, Peter can drop the blame on Tony and say "He made me dress as Spider-Man to support his act. I was never Spider-Man" and things return to normal.

Nope, he cant do that at all...see if you look carefully he swung in on a web, UNLESS MARVEL COMPLETELY DROPS THE BALL ON THAT (which haha i wouldnt be too surprised about) then there is no way for them to pull that off. he swung in on the right hand corner of that one panel while tony is speaking so its not going to happen, but hey these editors are idiots to begin with so again i wouldnt be surprised if they miss that and allow some crap story to reverse this

[Captain Morgan]

He stillanerd, can you tell me what happened to that thing you posted with all the characters discussing how they knew who Spidey is? I would like to post it somewhere with your permission.

[Kirayoshi]

Hmm...anyone know where the X-Men left the Siege Perilous from their Australian years? Because I suspect that before this is over, Peter's gonna need a deus ex machina.

I have no faith in Quesada being able to pull this stunt off without one. This is the same guy who greenlighted "Sins Past" and Xorneto! He has no interest in creating better stories, only bigger ones.

[the Hornet]

one more thing. After this, the thing most people in the MU will say to themselves is ..."oooohhhhh.....now I see what MJ saw in him"

[joeybdot]

Just make Spider-Man regret ever using his "great power" towards "great responsibility." Let's see him go a little mad, maybe take out Tony in the process. Maybe become an alcoholic after som tragic events. I don't know, I want to see him squirm, a lot. Either that or have somebody beat the living shit out of him, until death comes knocking on his door.

Let him witness the death of Aunt May while he is chained to a wall, with electrical wires attached to his ears.


Either that or everyone will just get mind-wiped by Dr. Strange and Wanda will have never existed to anyone.

[Drakenred]

Hmm a bigger version of that would be a LOT better and more helpful. :)Copy past to paint and zoom are your freinds.

Its his Admission as to why he activly trys to destroy spiderman in the Press.

Bascialy JJJ is a scumbag and he knows it, and is jelous of Spiderman.

[stillanerd]

He stillanerd, can you tell me what happened to that thing you posted with all the characters discussing how they knew who Spidey is? I would like to post it somewhere with your permission.

No problem. I have it on Superhero Hype, Comicboards, and Newsarama, but for convince sake, here it is:

"Who Cares About Spider-Man's Silly Old Secret Identity Anyway? (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=3228500&postcount=22)

[TheUltimateMike]

I knew it was going to be done but I still don't believe it! I will wait and see how it plays out but I am already hoping the guys at Marvel have a 'big fix' ready.

[Cody H]

I see this being relatively long term (i.e. not being retconned in the next few years). I don't think the folks at Marvel would put some much hype in to something like this and then renege on it; their hype would lose credibility, which translates into lost revenue, and that's bad business.

That said, they've pretty much turned the Spider-verse upside down with this. I have no idea how they're going to address things like Pete's job and living arrangement, especially when rumors suggest he'll be jumping to Cap's side before the end. No idea how this is all going to go, especially this early into Civil War. I've got tonnes of reservations about this, but I'll reserve judgement for now. Suffice to say, my interest is definetly peeked.
"Who Cares About Spider-Man's Silly Old Secret Identity Anyway? (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=3228500&postcount=22)P.S. That is awesome.

[doomworm]

Two things.

I'm actually really glad that Spidey got the front page of the Times and Yahoo. That rocks.

I think it will stick, or at least the current editors will make it stick. Cody H is right, because it is really big with the mainstream, and they will look as thou fools in front of the media if they back out now.

[prand_2002]

The FF and X-men dont have secret i.d's because they have powers and can take care of themselves. Tony has lots of money and can buy security. What can Peter do? MJ can never work again, May can never leave avengers tower and Peter can never lead a normal life ever again. He has the worst and most psychotic rogues in the MU. Marvel has lost it. Completely.

[mattspideyrocks!]

Man, I can't wait to read this issue. This is the best thing they have done since Spidey started. This is gonna open up so many story possibilities in the future and make things a lot more interesting. How's Green Goblin going to win now, with his only leverage in a fight gone? I'm proud of Marvel for doing this because as bad as it sounds to so many people, it had to be done eventually and I'm glad it was done this way. This is awesome. :D

[Roquefort Raider]

In a Post Civil War world: I would like the Secret ID back in place. HOW, I let Marvel Figure that one out.

The easy way would be for Peter to skip town, grow a beard, dye his hair blond, change his name to John Smith and drop the Spidey identity to become Paper-bag Man again.

None of which I think likely!

[Solario]

Man, I can't wait to read this issue. This is the best thing they have done since Spidey started. This is gonna open up so many story possibilities in the future and make things a lot more interesting. How's Green Goblin going to win now, with his only leverage in a fight gone? I'm proud of Marvel for doing this because as bad as it sounds to so many people, it had to be done eventually and I'm glad it was done this way. This is awesome. :D

He still has the same leverage, that he knows who to go after to hurt Peter, only now a hell of a lot other villains and psychos know too. To me this just further limits the possibilities of Peter as a character.

[mattspideyrocks!]

He still has the same leverage, that he knows who to go after to hurt Peter, only now a hell of a lot other villains and psychos know too. To me this just further limits the possibilities of Peter as a character.

Oh well. Either way, I still think it's Marvel's best idea to date and at least it's going to bring all his greatest villains out of the woodwork for some fight time.

[Calculator]

Personal beliefs aside, he has just put a bullseye on himself and everyone he loves, where before it was just on him. And believe me, no Ivory Tower will ever stop the wrath that will fall upon him.

It just strikes me as a really really stupid thing to do, so much so that I can't suspend my disbelief.


Wow guess it's gonna happen sooner than later...

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/CW05cvr.htm

[drewkearns]

I don't think this is a stupid thing at all, I loved every moment of it. I had no idea this was coming, hadn't read asm or thunderbolts before CW#2. I was a great plot twist and I can't wait to see all the reactions to this throughout the MU. As long as this sticks around for a while I'll be very happy. Millar did say that civil war was going to change the marvel universe in a big way. I applaud them.

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Tony Stark: "Peter, take your mask off."

Peter Parker: "Sure thing, boss."


Thanks, Marvel. :rolleyes:


This is part of making Iron Man more popular..

Keep Spiderman under his thumb for a bit...

Then, they can continue with producing "Iron Man: The Movie".

I wonder if Tony will "turn-off" his Spiderman suit like he's done War Machine every time they had a major disagreement.

Note: Spiderman needs to remain at Stark Towers forever because his loved ones will need security. Betty Brant, Flash.. are targets now..

[Effect]

The FF and X-men dont have secret i.d's because they have powers and can take care of themselves. Tony has lots of money and can buy security. What can Peter do? MJ can never work again, May can never leave avengers tower and Peter can never lead a normal life ever again. He has the worst and most psychotic rogues in the MU. Marvel has lost it. Completely.

You know that's assuming that Peter's enemies will spend the time watchin him and his family 24/7, 365 days a year. Trail each of them through the crowded streets, buses, subways, taxis of Manhatten every waking moment?

The only way MJ and Aunt May will be in danger is if writers force the issue. They can easily be writen as not being bothered at all and it would work just fine.

It seems people want that to happen just so they can say and still think him unmasking was and is a bad idea. They want Aunt May and MJ to suffer so they can feel they were write and so they have something to use as reason for why the idea they dislike was wrong. The thought that it doesn't even have to happen that way and is equally likely it won't happen that way has never even come into their minds I think.

[SpideyAvenger]

I'm not pissed that they did this, I'm more intrigued to see what they'll do with it next. Especially since it seems that in August Peter and Tony will have a fight.
I wonder if they'll pull something like having Dr. Strange erase it from everyone's memories or something like that.

[moeller61]

Man, I can't wait to read this issue. This is the best thing they have done since Spidey started. This is gonna open up so many story possibilities in the future and make things a lot more interesting. How's Green Goblin going to win now, with his only leverage in a fight gone? I'm proud of Marvel for doing this because as bad as it sounds to so many people, it had to be done eventually and I'm glad it was done this way. This is awesome. :D


I agree with everything in this statement. I was afraid of this revelation, but the more I think of it the better it gets. There are a great deal of awesome stories that can be spawned from this decision, and it seems like the natural progression for the character. I am just interested now in how marvel will eventually undo it, because you know they will at some point. Maybe the same old no one believes parker could be spider-man stuff from when doc ock unmasked spider-man.

[Optimus]

I agree with everything in this statement. I was afraid of this revelation, but the more I think of it the better it gets. There are a great deal of awesome stories that can be spawned from this decision, and it seems like the natural progression for the character. I am just interested now in how marvel will eventually undo it, because you know they will at some point. Maybe the same old no one believes parker could be spider-man stuff from when doc ock unmasked spider-man.


I say the super-secret thing Iron Man is having Reed work on is getting the time machine up and running so they can go back and stop the school from being destroyed. Then nobody remembers Peter unmasking, but they can still go through with the registration.

[stillanerd]

Wow guess it's gonna happen sooner than later...

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/CW05cvr.htm

See folks: This is what happens when you reveal your secret identity. Looks like, since the Green Goblin and Venom lost their hold, they go after him in full force. And you can also bet while they're going after Spidey, and bunch of other villains are going to go after Aunt May and Mary Jane in whatever safe house they happen to be in. The moral of this story? Don't reveal your secret ID on Live TV. :p

[Chinchalinchin]

Millar, who demonstrated in his Marvel Knights run, that he in fact deeply understands the character of Peter Parker to his very core, has now gone all out, most probably under the instruction of Joe Quesada and the powers that be, and done something that JQ predicted would split the internet in, ahem, a civil war. It seems, though, 'round these parts, it's not a war at all. It's a massacre. Those who love this story and idea are scattered, far and few, and are subjected to the taunting and bashing of those would keep Peter perpetually fifteen.

I understand why some would throw this book to the winds and curse the day Quesada and Millar were born. I mean, the idea of secret identities has always been held closely to the Spider-Man mythos. The tragedy that results from his dual life and the ensuing down-on-his-luck life style made him an incredibly relatable character, which, no doubt, cemented his popularity amidst the maelstrom of superheroes thrown at us in the Golden and Silver Ages.

But, while many of you would assert that the duality present in Spider-man is central to the entire character, I would vehemently disagree. Uncle Ben never said, "With great power comes a mask to hide behind."

It made sense back in the days of Spider-Man's birth to give him a secret identity. Comics back then were more flamboyant, not as down to Earth. Pete, I'll give you, was silver lining in those rainbow colored clouds. He was one of the only characters easily identified with. I mean, the kid had no friends, trouble with girls, an over-bearing, worried sick parental figure and was maybe a little too smart for his own good. He was every one of us. But, he was still a work of fiction, set in a fictional world, where danger is thrice removed and you know, yes, you do, that everything will be alright in the end. Aunt May will get her medicine and J. Jonah Jameson will still be a prick.

In recent times, though, the flamboyance, the charm of those older comics has been lost. In its place rests a grim, gritty and dark realism that coincides with our own world in almost every way. The Marvel Universe is no longer a place where people can parade around in tights and cause massive property damage and not have to worry about retribution. No, it's a parallel of our own world, and in this world, we are all scared shitless of terrorists, paranoid of anybody with a little power. How many conspiracies have you heard involving President Bush and Skull and Bones? How many stories end up with the Corporate Business Man as the villian? Power scares us and, usually, that's not without reason. In an attempt to ground the 616 universe firmly in reality, Millar is writing a story that is all too similar to our own world.

Heroes are now responsible for their actions. This isn't the 70's, when the Green Goblin could throw pumpkin bombs and they would never fly astray and hit an innocent. In today's comics, that kind of destruction must be accounted for and this brings us back to my entire point.

Spider-Man unmasking himself is the natural evolution of the character as Marvel attempts to streamline their world with our daily lives. He must be held responsible for actions. If he has never done anything bad, he has nothing to hide. Then, why the mask?

If this was another character unmasking himself, I might be on the majority's side. But, this is Spider-Man, the every-man's symbol of the delicate balance between power and responsibility. And Peter wouldn't be taking responsibility for himself if he decided to go underground and run away.

What would he be running away from?

[Jeff F]

Why would any of Spidey's villians go after Aunt May or Mary Jane?

Seriously.

It's not like Peter Parker has any name value in the MU.

Are people suggesting that characters like the Rhino, Shocker, Paste Pot Pete, Jack o' Lantern, the Spot, or any other Spidey villians, who, let's face it, aren't that bright, are going to learn all about his private life?

[Cody H]

Wow guess it's gonna happen sooner than later...

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/CW05cvr.htmThat could've happened before he revealed his ID, Gobby and Venom already knew his secret identity. What's the deal with Bullseye though, has he even fought Spider-Man before???

[Alan2099]

In recent times, though, the flamboyance, the charm of those older comics has been lost. In its place rests a grim, gritty and dark realism that coincides with our own world in almost every way. The Marvel Universe is no longer a place where people can parade around in tights and cause massive property damage and not have to worry about retribution. No, it's a parallel of our own world, and in this world, we are all scared shitless of terrorists, paranoid of anybody with a little power. How many conspiracies have you heard involving President Bush and Skull and Bones? How many stories end up with the Corporate Business Man as the villian? Power scares us and, usually, that's not without reason.
And here you've summed up almost everything I think is wrong with comics right now.

The real world sucks. Why do people want the comicbook world to be worse?

[Sentry]

I struggle to say this but as yet I dont really have an opinion on the events of civil war #2.

I plan to see how things pan out over the next 5 issues of civil war and the spidy books.

I believe that peter did go into that way to quick, but maybe was forced into it by stark.

By peter revieling himself for the next couple of years it will add a new fresh angle to him and spidy, but in the long term I worry.

But like i said im willing to trust marvel.












For the next 5 issues anyway.

[aeastwic]

I haven't read the issue yet, but Peter unmasking is a bad, bad idea. But it continues a trend that was a bad idea...too many people know his secret id know.

When it was just Venom, it was ok, that made Venom a real threat aside from his powers. The the GG came back and that was a little bit much, because Norman is such a psycho that he wouldn't kill any of them in their sleep? Come on!

You can argue that it's unlikely that no one would find out after the 10 or so years Peter's been Spider-Man, but I'd rather try to buy that, than this is not a monumental screw-up.

Once Max Gargan found out, I pretty much thought that this was over because why should he not tell anyone? You think he kept it to himself?

Although I think this is a terrible thing to do, I'm hoping that we get some good stories about it. The nice thing is that if you think this ruins the character, then at least there are 40+ years of back stories that don't have this crap in it.

Some writers should be able to tell some different kind of stories and really write something good, but the problem is that long term, this is not viable for the character. Big editorial mistake.

[stillanerd]

Why would any of Spidey's villians go after Aunt May or Mary Jane?

Seriously.

It's not like Peter Parker has any name value in the MU.

Are people suggesting that characters like the Rhino, Shocker, Paste Pot Pete, Jack o' Lantern, the Spot, or any other Spidey villians, who, let's face it, aren't that bright, are going to learn all about his private life?

That could've happened before he revealed his ID, Gobby and Venom already knew his secret identity. What's the deal with Bullseye though, has he even fought Spider-Man before???

I think I have an answer to this that I posted here:

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=129490&page=4

Now have heard some of you say, "But don't the Green Goblin and Venom already know who Spider-Man is?" Yes. That was their leverage against him. As long as Peter's identity as Spider-Man was secret to the world, they could use that knowledge to play all kind of psychological war games against him. Well, now that it's gone, they, probably more than anyone, feel that Peter has cheated them out of their one trump card. They figure that the only option left is a direct strike against him. Remember how we were told in the run up to this that the Green Goblin was going to play a major role and how he was going to organize a bunch of villains. Ask yourself, why would he do such a thing? THIS is why. To finish off his mortal enemy once and for all because the cat and mouse game he played with Spidey has been ruined.

Also, I imagine that while he and bunch of villains gain up on Spidey, another bunch of villains attack whatever safe house Aunt May and Mary Jane are in, so that if SOMEHOW Goblin's bunch fails to kill him, at least he gains another victory over Spidey by having his loved ones killed. And since Spidey is distracted by fighting these guys, he can't necessarily get to May and MJ in time. Not that I think they'll die, mind you, but definately one of them will be in critical condition and in a coma when all is said and done.

[Cody H]

I think I have an answer to this that I posted here:
Makes sense to me. And I had no idea that the Green Goblin was going to be involved, actually. That makes things alot more interesting, and you're probably onto something with the "Goblin amases a bunch of villains to strike at Spidey" theory. I also think that'd be the best way to go as a guy like Norman (and many of Spidey's villains for that matter) would waste no time jumping at him, especially before he is safeguarded. I'd imagine half of his rogue gallery storming the press conference the moment they heard the news.

Civil War is so heavily focused on the heroes I was afraid the villains would be ignored, and you'd think they'd be striking while the iron is hot, so to speak.

[1WEBHEAD]

This isn't a bad thing. Look at Daredevil! His secret idenity now is worth less than a post stamp but his book is still very good as it was before he was outed.

[Morw]

Well I think its a good idea. it shows that even comic book heroes can develop and grow up.

Peter lives by the words " with great power comes great responsibility." And now he has taken the responsible action in the debate. He stepped forward he now has to stand for what he do. Defend his actions. Being responsible.

As for MJ never being able to work again. Eerrrrr.. a former supermodel is married to one of the famous super hero. Wonder how fast Oprah can speed dial her to invite her on a show called married to a hero. I think she will get more jobs now.

Aunt May will be protected and to be honest Spiderman’s low level enemies wont dare touch her or Mj of fear of getting a blood crazed super cop on their tail.

As for Goblin mass attack, well now Spiderman can just call the government for backup. So the green goblin will end up loosing again. This because Spiderman is the pro- registration poster child. If anything happens to him then the anti-registration has won the debate.

I can see that they will make a point out of this. That if you are join the government then not only you get protection by your friends and family and the government don’t want to loose a power base they now seem to get.

[zebop]

This morning I woke up and the sun was in the sky. The birds were chirping and singing as they sat on tree limbs and crapped on the cars below. The newspaper landed on my porch and I got up and went on about the business of the day.

Yes. Even after Spider-Man revealed his secret identity. Life. Went. On.

Nothing happened here that can't unhappen whenever some writer decides they want to make Spider-Man's secret identity secret again. Or do you really think if Stephen King walked into Joe Quesada's office, propped his feet on the desk and said, "Hey Joe, I wanna write all your Spider-Man books, but he has to have his old secret identity back," that Quesada wouldn't open up a vein to provide the blood for King to sign the contract?

Oh my. Spider-Man revealed his secret identity. Yawn. Next time you'll tell me is DC is making a super heroine a lesbian.

:rolleyes:

[jade_nova]

The real world sucks. Why do people want the comicbook world to be worse?

That is a good question.

I don't know if this has been brought up yet or not but Aunt May and Mary Jane aren't in any real trouble from villians at the moment. They are living at the top of a skyscraper and Spider-Man is a member of the Avengers. Until those things change then they are perfectly safe.

[Mister Mets]

This isn't a bad thing. Look at Daredevil! His secret idenity now is worth less than a post stamp but his book is still very good as it was before he was outed.

But Daredevil basically appears in two stories an year (He has one monthly book, with six issue arcs) which is an important difference.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Me and a buddy were making jokes about the whole " Secret ID " thing and this always comes to mind. Whats the point of wearing the mask anymore ? Or being called Spiderman when the entire world knows ?

Its like being called Johnny Storm and wearing a mask.

" Hey look its Peter Parker ! " , doesn't sound as good as " Hey look , theres Spiderman ! " Because at the end of the day the mask added mystery to him and you can do stories where people are puzzled about the mystery of the man behind the mask.

You do will reveal storyline and do the shocks it causes , then what ? Because unless you have stories that will be accepted and have the entire world know who Peter is then what ? You can have villains show up but wheres the supporting cast besides Luke Cage ?

[Baig]

Oh my. Spider-Man revealed his secret identity. Yawn. Next time you'll tell me is DC is making a super heroine a lesbian.

:rolleyes:

classic ;)

[Lorendiac]

Two things.

I'm actually really glad that Spidey got the front page of the Times and Yahoo. That rocks.

I think it will stick, or at least the current editors will make it stick. Cody H is right, because it is really big with the mainstream, and they will look as thou fools in front of the media if they back out now.

Couldn't that last paragraph have been said, just as easily, regarding the Death of Superman when it happened in 1992? It made a big splash in the mainstream media, and the editors might be worried about looking foolish if they quickly backed out and said "just kidding"? (And yet -- oddly enough -- Superman was back, alive and kicking, in less than a year!)

[WatsonGlenn]

I predict that as a result of Peter making his identity public, his wife will be killed by a super villain or maybe a common criminal.

The hints that Marvel wants Peter to be single are all over the place. Peter has lost loved ones before. MaryJane's death will be no differant that Gwen Stacy's.

I also predict the death of a supermodel will make people rethink the whole idea of the Registration Act.

I also predict that when the Annihilation Wave comes to threaten the world people will be grateful that masked heroes are there to save them

I further predict that in time Dr Strange or someone like him will make everyone forget the identities that have been made public.

A Spider Man with no secret ID is no Spider Man at all.

[LabRat]

While I doubt that MJ or Aunt May will be killed (remember, there was an article somewhere regarding MJ and Peter's separation, that it'll only be temporary), what I'm seeing is that Peter Parker will go into hiding after this, thus he'd get separated from MJ...

It's been known that Spider-Man will switch sides, so we know he's going to realize the error of his ways...

And Peter Parker can't just, disappear... He'll need a new identity... Maybe have his hair bleached? ;)

I for one, am liking this... I hate changes that make no sense (Spider-Man Disassembled, The Other) but this makes a lot of sense, in context of Civil War... Who best to reveal his identity to the public than Spider-Man? Who's the character who would lose the most when his identity is revealed? Who's the best example to show why secret identities are important to heroes?

[jim1175]

Okay, I haven't had a chance to read all postings on this thread so if this was already said I apologize:

I think that aunt May or MJ will be killed.... More likely aunt May because it was stated by Joe Q. that MJ wouldn't be gotten rid of by "death" (if he is good to his word).

Of course Aunt May's death will make Pete realize that he made a huge mistake & he will switch sides in the war to square off against Iron-Man as it has been foreshadowed.

After which Peter will fake his own death with the aid of Nick Fury, thereby legally ending the marriage that Quesada hates. Peter will be given a new identity, and possible plastic surgery & told that he can not contact people from his former life (but he will come across them occasionally, however they will not recognize him, which will make for interesting stories). The outcome of which is Spiderman will again have a secret identity (as it was in the beginning & this time even Norman won't know it is him) and he will be single, and Marvel will have the opportunity to create a new supporting cast for our hero - something that has been badly lacking for years.

This opens the field for a return to basics with a fresh start & new stores to be told.

What do you guys think?

[Lorendiac]

I predict that as a result of Peter making his identity public, his wife will be killed by a super villain or maybe a common criminal.

The hints that Marvel wants Peter to be single are all over the place. Peter has lost loved ones before. MaryJane's death will be no differant that Gwen Stacy's.

I also predict the death of a supermodel will make people rethink the whole idea of the Registration Act.

Possible. But I would rather they just retconned it so that no such marriage ever happened. That's my personal preference, but I've come to recognize that I'm in the minority on that subject.

As a compromise to make everyone happy, I would certainly settle for what I proposed under the name "The Discontinuity Experiment" a few months ago: Breaking loose the different titles so that if Writer #1 wants to write a long run for the next five years about Bachelor Spidey, and if at the exact same time Writer #2 wants to write a long run about Married Spidey, and if at the exact same time Writer #3 wants to write a long run about Widowed Spidey, then all three of them could go for it without being enslaved by the continuity of other writers in the so-called "same universe."

I also predict that when the Annihilation Wave comes to threaten the world people will be grateful that masked heroes are there to save them

If not the Annihilation Wave, then something else. (I've been paying precious little attention to Civil War, so I'm not even sure what the Annihilation Wave is.)

I further predict that in time Dr Strange or someone like him will make everyone forget the identities that have been made public.

I feel certain that this will happen in Spidey's case, sooner or later, unless they simply find some other way to retcon it. But I don't know how long it will take.

A Spider Man with no secret ID is no Spider Man at all.

Agreed.

[jim1175]

Shield should be focusing on the villains first, before going after Cap. Priorities - Who would you rather have running loose?


Makes sense to me. And I had no idea that the Green Goblin was going to be involved, actually. That makes things alot more interesting, and you're probably onto something with the "Goblin amases a bunch of villains to strike at Spidey" theory. I also think that'd be the best way to go as a guy like Norman (and many of Spidey's villains for that matter) would waste no time jumping at him, especially before he is safeguarded. I'd imagine half of his rogue gallery storming the press conference the moment they heard the news.

Civil War is so heavily focused on the heroes I was afraid the villains would be ignored, and you'd think they'd be striking while the iron is hot, so to speak.

[Billy Parker]

Wow Civil War #2 was awesome. I actually smiled as I read the last pages! Actually smiled! Though it is the weirdest 2 pages I have EVER read in a comic. Soo weird for my favorite character, the ol' webhead. I wonder what Stan Lee thinks?

I don't know yet if I like the revelation. I shall have to wait and see. But I'll never stop reading Spidey. I love it too much.

[littleredhat]

So would you have prefered that Peter ran away? That his debute as Spider-Man be on America's Most Wanted instead?

The guy had no choice really. Become an outlaw and definitly lose his family or trust his new friend and keep the chance of a semi normal life.

Do you really think Peter would rather give up everything for his mask? No he gave up the mask to keep his life.

Hunted like an animal vs Not being hunted like an animal.

That was his choice. Tony and Shield know who he is. How long before his picture would have been on CNN with words "If you see Peter Parker,Please contact the Shield Emergency Hotline right away."

I want to see how this turns out.;)

[Billy Parker]

What do you think "The Man" thinks about his beloved character's revelation? I mean, over 40 years later, and the most eventful thing to EVER happen in his universe finally happens!

Would "Ol Smiley" have ever written something like this? Does he like Civil War and Spidey's role in it? Did he ever see this one coming? What do you guys think?

[Alan2099]

Stan Lee never seemed to dig into politics and hard real world issue stuff. Even his "real world" based comics still seemed like a heavily fantasiezed version. I'm almost ositive he'd never have written anything like this. Although now that you mention if, it you gave Stan the idea "government is requiring superheroes to register their secret identities" I'm extremely curious as to what he'd do with it.

[stillanerd]

Okay, I haven't had a chance to read all postings on this thread so if this was already said I apologize:

I think that aunt May or MJ will be killed.... More likely aunt May because it was stated by Joe Q. that MJ wouldn't be gotten rid of by "death" (if he is good to his word).

Of course Aunt May's death will make Pete realize that he made a huge mistake & he will switch sides in the war to square off against Iron-Man as it has been foreshadowed.

After which Peter will fake his own death with the aid of Nick Fury, thereby legally ending the marriage that Quesada hates. Peter will be given a new identity, and possible plastic surgery & told that he can not contact people from his former life (but he will come across them occasionally, however they will not recognize him, which will make for interesting stories). The outcome of which is Spiderman will again have a secret identity (as it was in the beginning & this time even Norman won't know it is him) and he will be single, and Marvel will have the opportunity to create a new supporting cast for our hero - something that has been badly lacking for years.

This opens the field for a return to basics with a fresh start & new stores to be told.

What do you guys think?

I'm not sure about Aunt May or Mary Jane dying. Maybe they'll be put in a coma or something. However, I'm inclined to think that what you suggest may be where things could be heading with Spidey for awhile, especially in light of this:

"It can be very intimidating if you don't know where the story is going or how it ends; we do, so we're just excited about where it takes us and the story possibilities it offers," Joe Quesada, Marvel's editor-in-chief, said Wednesday.He also promised that Marvel won't be backing-off of Spidey's big revelation by zapping the public with a forget-me ray or saying the press conference was a dream or a hoax. We won't be pulling a Bobby Ewing with this."

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-spiderman15webjun15,1,660323.story?coll=la-headlines-entnews

Then again, we all know how "permanent" thing in comics really are.

However, if this is the direction that Marvel is planning on taking Spider-Man, this will be the same problem they had during the clone saga. Since readers all knew that Peter Parker was supposed to be Spider-Man, when they came onto the comic after the "switch" they got confused when they saw some guy named Ben Reilly running around claiming he was Spider-Man. As a result, Marvel ended up having to explain the entire Clone Saga to them which confused them even more. And of course, those precious new readers felt alienated. Same thing could happen here if this is what they have planned for Spidey.

[jim1175]

I think that Stan would love it (if he reads it) because Stan loves a good story filled with conflicts and tuff situations that grip the reader's attention. I feel that Stan is very open minded and would go along for the ride, however if Stan were to write the story (which I'm not saying that he would) I think that he would structure it in such a way that Spidey's alter ego would return to being a secret by arc's end. So I guess what I'm saying is that I feel that Stan would most likely want his character's core preserved, because it has worked so beautifully for all these years.

It's a very good question though... I think we should ask him!








What do you think "The Man" thinks about his beloved character's revelation? I mean, over 40 years later, and the most eventful thing to EVER happen in his universe finally happens!

Would "Ol Smiley" have ever written something like this? Does he like Civil War and Spidey's role in it? Did he ever see this one coming? What do you guys think?

[Billy Parker]

if Stan were to write the story (which I'm not saying that he would) I think that he would structure it in such a way that Spidey's alter ego would return to being a secret by arc's end.

It's a very good question though... I think we should ask him!

Ah yes, returning Peter's secret identity by the arc's end is something that Stan wrote several times in the best Spider-Man stories. It seems he would do something like this.

Who knows if Peter's identity will become secret again anytime soon. Actually, I just don't know how you can go back after Civil War #2. It seems completely irreversible at this point. I can't wait for Peter to confront JJJ in person. Yes face to face, talk it out, in Amazing.

I also think we should ask Stan!

[genesis]

Who else thinks that peter, if his identity is not erased from people's minds, he will end up going by the name of..... ben reiley. They could do that and just end up moving to a different locale out of new york and maybe become one of the new west coast avengers. I think though that he will get his ass handed to him, crawl back to tony and tony will say something like oh well you knew what you were getting yourself into when you did this so dont expect help from me. and peter will find comfort with captain america and the last major battle will be between him and iron man or cap and iron man. im betting spidey versus iron man.

[Mister Mets]

Stan Lee would think "Some people expect this to be the status quo forever?" and read a copy of "The Death of Superman" while ideas come for a story in which Spider-Man reveals that his buddy Peter Parker pretended to be him as a favor.

[richjb77]

they pay him a million dollars a year...for life...he gets a chunk out of almost all of the movies...he doesn't care...He's Rich B$$#$

[Billy Parker]

Oh he cares! These comics are his life and world!

Sure he's rich and still has alot of new things going on with POW, which I'm also excited about! But the Marvel universe is his universe, we just play in it!

Plus why do you think I never end a sentence with a period? Because Stan Lee never did in his Marvel comic run baby!

[Venom78]

Maybe I didn´t get all the info,but couldn´t he just registered without making it public??I thought the act makes you give your ID to Shield or some Agency,and they keep it secret.

[Arilou]

If not the Annihilation Wave, then something else. (I've been paying precious little attention to Civil War, so I'm not even sure what the Annihilation Wave is.)

Check out Annihilation. It's essentially a HUGE fleet of bugs from the Negative Zone, and it's heading towards earth. It's just torn a path through the Skrulls, the Kree are about to get their asses kicked, and they seem to be putting up a respectable show against the Heralds of Galactus.

[Clint Barton]

Since we're talking theories here, I have one of my own:

I'm thinking Aunt May is going to take the dirt nap and Marvel will do a homage to Spiderman's origin where Spidey allows some villian to escape and that villian ends up being the killer of Aunt May.

Zap! They've retooled Spiderman and brought him back to his "roots'!

Hey....this is about theories, right?:cool:

[Mister Mets]

So would you have prefered that Peter ran away? That his debute as Spider-Man be on America's Most Wanted instead?

The guy had no choice really. Become an outlaw and definitly lose his family or trust his new friend and keep the chance of a semi normal life.

Do you really think Peter would rather give up everything for his mask? No he gave up the mask to keep his life.

Hunted like an animal vs Not being hunted like an animal.

That was his choice. Tony and Shield know who he is. How long before his picture would have been on CNN with words "If you see Peter Parker,Please contact the Shield Emergency Hotline right away."

I want to see how this turns out.;)

Peter had several choices, only two of which were suggested in Amazing Spider-Man #532
1. Quit being Spider-Man (not discussed)
2. Remain Spider-Man, and give his secret identity to no one, thus becoming a fugitive (this was discussed.)
3. Remain Spider-Man, tell Tony there's no way in hell he's "outing" himself, but give his idenity to the government database. If Tony says Peter's going against his word, Peter will remind Tony that he'll never put his family in danger. (not discussed)
4. What he ended up doing.

[WatsonGlenn]

What do you guys think?

I think anything might happen in the short term but eventually Spiderman will be Peter Parker again.

[Venom]

Oh he cares! These comics are his life and world!

Sure he's rich and still has alot of new things going on with POW, which I'm also excited about! But the Marvel universe is his universe, we just play in it!

Plus why do you think I never end a sentence with a period? Because Stan Lee never did in his Marvel comic run baby!

All so very true. Nearly every charcter used at Marvel today are his creations.

[Citizen V]

Oh he cares! These comics are his life and world!

But the Marvel universe is his universe, we just play in it!

Because Stan Lee never did in his Marvel comic run baby!

I belive that also,Stan is one of the original fathers of Marvel.Few can challenge his greatness,i was suprised when i heard of this..

Do you know how bad this is?Especially with a villians like his...they can just come to his house,and do all kinds of things..

[Expletive Deleted]

Stan would love it.

Mainly because Stan loves everything. I mean, seriously, has anyone ever heard him say anything even remotely negative about Marvel? He'll occasionally dole out some ambivalence or muted praise, but that's about it.

[Agentum]

I think he feels that he has build this Marvel world and will support it untill he dies.

[Chinchalinchin]

He might say he likes it, but isn't Stan Lee pretty liberal when politics are involved? I figure he'd have Spider-Man start out on the Anti-Reg side.

[Doom Hammer]

Stan would love it.

Mainly because Stan loves everything. I mean, seriously, has anyone ever heard him say anything even remotely negative about Marvel? He'll occasionally dole out some ambivalence or muted praise, but that's about it.

He referred to the Clone Saga as "convoluted".

The monster.

[Effect]

NRAMA: Given his role in Spider-Man’s creation and early years, did you discuss this with Stan at all for his insight, or just to let him know this bombshell was coming, and, come June 14th, his phone might start ringing?

JQ: Stan always has great insights on the things we do. While I’m sure he doesn’t follow every single issue of every single comic on a monthly basis, he is very well aware of the big issues and storylines happening in the books. With respect to the Spidey reveal, Stan was not in the immediate loop, but I’ve just recently spoken to him and he’s well aware of the goings on.

He’s an amazing guy, all he wanted to know was what was going to happen story wise, was it a good story, was it going to take us interesting new places, when he heard the plan he was thrilled.

Seems we have Stans reaction.

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NewJoeFridays02.html

[CTroutt]

And my favorite quote from the same Joe Friday's article...

NRAMA: Going back a bit to Peter’s other opportunities to unmask, he always felt/was paranoid about the idea that if people knew who he was, MJ and Aunt May would be in trouble – where was that concern in all of this, that, by doing this, he just placed his two family members in mortal danger?

JQ: I think the evidence of this was seen in the latest issue of Amazing. Peter brought his family in on the decision. Remember, the status quo has changed for Peter, not only is he more secure in life, but Aunt May knows he’s Spider-Man as well. Isn’t it cool how we keep moving him forward through life. I can’t wait until this same time next year, I bet Peter will be virtually unrecognizable from the character that he used to be!


Woo-hoo!!! *LOL*

[jim1175]

It's true that he is rich, but don't say that he doesn't care... He cares very much.



they pay him a million dollars a year...for life...he gets a chunk out of almost all of the movies...he doesn't care...He's Rich B$$#$

[jim1175]

I posted this on another thread but it seems to answer your question. Keep in mind that this is just MY opinion of what Marvel will do, I have no inside information:

I think that aunt May or MJ will be killed.... More likely aunt May because it was stated by Joe Q. that MJ wouldn't be gotten rid of by "death" (if he is good to his word).

Of course Aunt May's death will make Pete realize that he made a huge mistake & he will switch sides in the war to square off against Iron-Man as it has been foreshadowed.

After which Peter will fake his own death with the aid of Nick Fury, thereby legally ending the marriage that Quesada hates. Peter will be given a new identity, and possible plastic surgery & told that he can not contact people from his former life (but he will come across them occasionally, however they will not recognize him, which will make for interesting stories). The outcome of which is Spiderman will again have a secret identity (as it was in the beginning & this time even Norman won't know it is him) and he will be single, and Marvel will have the opportunity to create a new supporting cast for our hero - something that has been badly lacking for years.

This opens the field for a return to basics with a fresh start & new stores to be told.

What do you guys think?




Ah yes, returning Peter's secret identity by the arc's end is something that Stan wrote several times in the best Spider-Man stories. It seems he would do something like this.

Who knows if Peter's identity will become secret again anytime soon. Actually, I just don't know how you can go back after Civil War #2. It seems completely irreversible at this point. I can't wait for Peter to confront JJJ in person. Yes face to face, talk it out, in Amazing.

I also think we should ask Stan!

[jim1175]

I agree with you on the clone thing, but I honestly think that they are going to do it anyway.



I'm not sure about Aunt May or Mary Jane dying. Maybe they'll be put in a coma or something. However, I'm inclined to think that what you suggest may be where things could be heading with Spidey for awhile, especially in light of this:



http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-spiderman15webjun15,1,660323.story?coll=la-headlines-entnews

Then again, we all know how "permanent" thing in comics really are.

However, if this is the direction that Marvel is planning on taking Spider-Man, this will be the same problem they had during the clone saga. Since readers all knew that Peter Parker was supposed to be Spider-Man, when they came onto the comic after the "switch" they got confused when they saw some guy named Ben Reilly running around claiming he was Spider-Man. As a result, Marvel ended up having to explain the entire Clone Saga to them which confused them even more. And of course, those precious new readers felt alienated. Same thing could happen here if this is what they have planned for Spidey.

[Spider-Man]

I will refer to Quesada as "Que" from here on out, as a means of short-hand.

Que's recent comments from his "New Joe Friday's" at Newsarama:

NRAMA: Going back a bit to Peter’s other opportunities to unmask, he always felt/was paranoid about the idea that if people knew who he was, MJ and Aunt May would be in trouble – where was that concern in all of this, that, by doing this, he just placed his two family members in mortal danger?

JQ: I think the evidence of this was seen in the latest issue of Amazing. Peter brought his family in on the decision. Remember, the status quo has changed for Peter, not only is he more secure in life, but Aunt May knows he’s Spider-Man as well. Isn’t it cool how we keep moving him forward through life. I can’t wait until this same time next year, I bet Peter will be virtually unrecognizable from the character that he used to be!

Folks, someone help me out here. Why would making Peter Parker "virtually unrecognizable from the character he used to be" a good thing? Why would/should this be a person's goal?

I'm a struggling writer. I understand the importance of development and change. But I wonder if this isn't like saying, "hmm, if we killed off Robin, Alfred, Commissioner Gordon, and most of the rogue's gallery, and made Bruce Wayne get an operation to become a new enthicity, then have him become destitute and have to work out of an abandoned warehouse, we'd be doing great things for The Batman!"

To me, Parker's secret identity-and his desire to maintain it-has always been, and should always be-a part of the character. It's one of his unities.

I was contemplating picking up FNSM as a replacement for USM after it reaches 100.

But now I realize that Ultimate Spider-Man is really just that. He's more the real deal than the guy happily taking off his mask in front of reporters, wearing souped-up armor, living in a mansion, and working for the government.

So I'm sticking with Ultimate Spidey.

Is it just me? Am I missing something? Or is this storyline as utterly contrived and useless as it seems?

Is Spider-Man really being moved "forward," or is he being changed completely? Changed into something he's not?

Spidey

[ViciousX]

Or, you could, I don't know, wait and see how this story plays out before completely judging it.

Change is good. Why do fans fear it. If Stan Lee had stayed EiC, the Marvel Universe would have been a completely different place than it was when he started.

Spider-Man has always been about choices, consequences and responsibility. He made a choice, there will be consequences. I thought the build up made it believable.

[Violently Apathetic]

Change is good. Why do fans fear it. I


Why not give Spider-Man a sex change, if all changes are good and great storytelling opportunities? Wouldn't it be neat to see how Spider-Man views things from a woman's perspective? Just imagine how it would affect his inter personal relationships! And he'd need another new costume! There is so much untapped potential there.

Change is not always good, repeating a cliche over and over again does not make it true. Sometimes changes are forced, misguided, shortsighted and come back to bite one in the ass.

That said, while I think this id reveal is a misstep I'm going to give the writers the benefit of the doubt and stick with it. I'd love to be proved wrong.

[Spider-Man]

Why not give Spider-Man a sex change, if all changes are good and great storytelling opportunities? Wouldn't it be neat to see how Spider-Man views things from a woman's perspective? Just imagine how it would affect his inter personal relationships! And he'd need another new costume! There is so much untapped potential there.

Change is not always good, repeating a cliche over and over again does not make it true. Sometimes changes are forced, misguided, shortsighted and come back to bite one in the ass.

That said, while I think this id reveal is a misstep I'm going to give the writers the benefit of the doubt and stick with it. I'd love to be proved wrong.

You have more faith in the current "writers" (PAD excluded) than I do.

But I agree with everything else you said.

Spidey

[jade_nova]

"hmm, if we killed off Robin, Alfred, Commissioner Gordon, and most of the rogue's gallery, and made Bruce Wayne get an operation to become a new enthicity, then have him become destitute and have to work out of an abandoned warehouse, we'd be doing great things for The Batman!"


That is Quesada's plan for Batman when he takes over DC.

[Mister Mets]

I think he's toying with the people who are panicking that Spider-Man's been unmasked, and become unrecognizable. It's the same way he had been hinting at Speedball's death for months, when Speedball's the only New Warrior who survived Civil War #1.

There will probably be some good stories with the reaction to "Spider-Man Unmasked" and then it'll all be retconned somehow, probably in either
1. Civil War #7
or
2. The 4 issue mini series Quesada's drawing for JMS.

This time next year we'll have a Peter Parker who is taking photos for the Daily Bugle, maybe a young Science teacher, married to MJ/ or single somehow, and fighting criminals as Spider-Man (which very few people know about.)

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I wish them luck with whatever they do. But its not good to tell fans of a charactor you wanna make him " un-reconizable " to them. There was a hardcore fanbase who even stayed thru the bad years ( 98/99 Mackie's run) and your gonna alienate that base futher if you make comments like that.

Good luck guys.

[Blight]

I wish them luck with whatever they do. But its not good to tell fans of a charactor you wanna make him " un-reconizable " to them. There was a hardcore fanbase who even stayed thru the bad years ( 98/99 Mackie's run) and your gonna alienate that base futher if you make comments like that.

Good luck guys.


I never thought there be a moment in Spidey history worse than the Mackie/Bryne run in 98-99.. I and others could be wrong. This could be the greatest event in Spidey's life since the death of Gwen Stacey or it will regarded even more horrible then the Clone Saga. It'll all just depend on how this is handled.

[lordlad]

I dunno what's up with JoeQ but i gotta ask, what's up with u ?

[Red Lotus]

I think he's toying with the people who are panicking that Spider-Man's been unmasked, and become unrecognizable. It's the same way he had been hinting at Speedball's death for months, when Speedball's the only New Warrior who survived Civil War #1.

There will probably be some good stories with the reaction to "Spider-Man Unmasked" and then it'll all be retconned somehow, probably in either
1. Civil War #7
or
2. The 4 issue mini series Quesada's drawing for JMS.

This time next year we'll have a Peter Parker who is taking photos for the Daily Bugle, maybe a young Science teacher, married to MJ/ or single somehow, and fighting criminals as Spider-Man (which very few people know about.)


I didn't want him to Unmask, but now that its over they might as well stick with it. If they dont then it would make the unmasking look like a cheap way to bring hype to Civil War.

There is nothing I hate more then when they make a change knowing that they will undo it. Why make the change then.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I never thought there be a moment in Spidey history worse than the Mackie/Bryne run in 98-99.. I and others could be wrong. This could be the greatest event in Spidey's life since the death of Gwen Stacey or it will regarded even more horrible then the Clone Saga. It'll all just depend on how this is handled.

Your not wrong...as a fan of the books and charactor looking back at 98/99 it was just..bad. Chapter #1 as a reboot of his origin was so terrible. I had words to describe it as complete and utter crap.

When Ultimate Spiderman launched I remember sitting there thinking " Will this end up as bad as Chapter #1 ? " I'm glad they decided that good art and story was needed as well as revamping some of the charactors because its everything Byrne should have done for Chapter #1.

[DBZ MAN]

I'm surprised fans even read the comics if all their gonna do is just complain on forums.
Still, I guess thats what comic forums are for:D

[jade_nova]

I think this ruins the uniqueness of Spider-Man. He was the only major character still with a secret identity and now it is out. When you read a Spider-Man comic you know that even though Peter Parker is Spider-Man they were still different. Now you can't look at Spider-Man and not see Peter Parker and vice versa.

[Morw]

So the uniqueness of spiderman is that he wears a mask? You guys seems to busy trashing the whole idea and seems to prefer if each comic of spiderman was a copy of the preview. no changes, Spiderman is not allowed to develope. Just swing around and beat up bad guys.

If the writters try to do something new then half the fans scream murder, he cant change. And ofcourse he can change. He cant bge a highschool student his whole life. I for one like that they acctully allows the charaters to grow up. I want to see him become a father and worry if his child has some of his powers. Besides if your thinking logical about it then spiderman had no choise. the goverment and SHIELD allready knows his name.

[Spiderboy-Prime]

I will refer to Quesada as "Que" from here on out, as a means of short-hand.

Que's recent comments from his "New Joe Friday's" at Newsarama:



Folks, someone help me out here. Why would making Peter Parker "virtually unrecognizable from the character he used to be" a good thing? Why would/should this be a person's goal?

I'm a struggling writer. I understand the importance of development and change. But I wonder if this isn't like saying, "hmm, if we killed off Robin, Alfred, Commissioner Gordon, and most of the rogue's gallery, and made Bruce Wayne get an operation to become a new enthicity, then have him become destitute and have to work out of an abandoned warehouse, we'd be doing great things for The Batman!"

To me, Parker's secret identity-and his desire to maintain it-has always been, and should always be-a part of the character. It's one of his unities.

I was contemplating picking up FNSM as a replacement for USM after it reaches 100.

But now I realize that Ultimate Spider-Man is really just that. He's more the real deal than the guy happily taking off his mask in front of reporters, wearing souped-up armor, living in a mansion, and working for the government.

So I'm sticking with Ultimate Spidey.

Is it just me? Am I missing something? Or is this storyline as utterly contrived and useless as it seems?

Is Spider-Man really being moved "forward," or is he being changed completely? Changed into something he's not?

Spidey


u have just described the exact problem im goin through, with revent events with Amzin SPidey I am tempted to switch to Ultimate Spidey

[Spider-Man]

I dunno what's up with JoeQ but i gotta ask, what's up with u ?

Care to explain yourself?

What's "up" with me is that I'm having a discussion. That's what this place is for.

Spidey

[Chris Johnson]

What did you think of how it was done?
How would you guys like to see this plot thread continue?
What does it mean for the other Spider-Man books?
What status quo do you guys want for Spider-Man when Civil War's over?


Question 1: It was done well. I hate it, but it was executed well.
Question 2: He wakes up from a coma and dreamed the whole thing.
Question 3: OMG! A crossover! Who doesn't want another one? (Sarcasm)
Question 4: See response #2

[Bobster777]

I think this will be great for the Spider Man books. Just because Peter Parker revealed he was Spider Man, they are still two distinct entities. I mean, even though the identities of the Fantastic Four are public, they still balance their super hero identities from their normal ones. This will be the interesting part. Peter will have to find a way to be just Peter, but at the same time, also Spider Man. In some ways, Peter is still the ultimate outsider. He has always had a hard time relating with people as Peter, now, it will be a million times harder. I can't wait to see how his character will evolve from this. I don't think the Spider Man franchise is dead at all. This wasn't some crazy scheme like the "clone saga." So far, this is turning out to be a well crafted story.

[Alan2099]

How exactly do the Fantastic Four balance their crimefighting identities with their normal ones? It's the same thing for them. Spider-man has always had a very different life inside the mask than he did outside of it.

[Bobster777]

How exactly do the Fantastic Four balance their crimefighting identities with their normal ones? It's the same thing for them. Spider-man has always had a very different life inside the mask than he did outside of it.

They don't show it that much on the comics, but it's assumed that they have a life outside of being super heroes. For sure they aren't out there parading in their costumes twenty four seven.

[Alan2099]

That's excatly what Human Torch and Thing do. Thing because he has no choice, and Torch ...well, he might not actually wear his costume 24/7, but he wants everybody around him to know he's a big shot super hero. Reed doesn't have anything resembling a life outside of his family and his lab. Sue is basically the only "normal" one of the group.

[Bobster777]

That's excatly what Human Torch and Thing do. Thing because he has no choice, and Torch ...well, he might not actually wear his costume 24/7, but he wants everybody around him to know he's a big shot super hero. Reed doesn't have anything resembling a life outside of his family and his lab. Sue is basically the only "normal" one of the group.

The thing about Peter Parker though is, he loves having a normal life. Like you said before or eluded to, this is something that was unique in the Spider Man books. So, I don't think this element will disappear. Now though, Peter will just have a harder time trying to achieve this. He will no longer has the luxory of having two distinct identities. This will add to what has made the Spider Man books so great in that, Peter never has it easy. He always has to work hard to get what he has. In the future, he will have to work really hard to be Peter Parker. That aspect is very interesting to me and makes me excited about how his stories will be written. What do you think?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

So the uniqueness of spiderman is that he wears a mask? You guys seems to busy trashing the whole idea and seems to prefer if each comic of spiderman was a copy of the preview. no changes, Spiderman is not allowed to develope. Just swing around and beat up bad guys.

If the writters try