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marco19
09-04-2006, 08:15 PM
so over on Mike CArey website he let it kinda slip that hes now reporting to Alex Alonso as his senior editor..Dont know if hes the official new Senior X-Editor replacing Marts or just filling in.....He would be an excellent choice though...i suppsect an offical announcement by Marvel very soon probably this week

Hi-Fi
09-04-2006, 08:16 PM
so over on Mike CArey website he let it kinda slip that hes now reporting to Alex Alonso as his senior editor..Dont know if hes the official new Senior X-Editor replacing Marts or just filling in.....He would be an excellent choice though...i suppsect an offical announcement by Marvel very soon probably this week


We're not sure yet. He did say Axel...

Beast
09-04-2006, 08:18 PM
Well, thankfully it wasn't one of the chuckleheads from the letters columns. :p

Novaya Havoc
09-04-2006, 08:19 PM
Well, thankfully it wasn't one of the chuckleheads from the letters columns. :p

A. Greed. :D

Gene M.
09-04-2006, 08:25 PM
Well, thankfully it wasn't one of the chuckleheads from the letters columns. :p

C'mon. Would editorially mandated jokes about Big Johnson t-shirts and duct tape EVERY SINGLE ISSUE be that bad?

Yes. Yes it would.

Madrox84
09-04-2006, 08:45 PM
I'd be happy if Axel Alonso did take over as the Senior X-Editor, he's a good choice.

Hopefully Marvel will make a statement soon.

fishtaco
09-04-2006, 08:47 PM
Well, thankfully it wasn't one of the chuckleheads from the letters columns. :pAmen to that.

spoon_jenkins
09-04-2006, 08:49 PM
If Axel is the new editor, will the X-books be later than "Chinese Democracy"?

Seriously, I don't know much about the editors. I seem to remember years ago that he did letter pages and seemed like an okay guy. Mike Marts is disliked by several fans, right? How long was he running things?

Affinity
09-04-2006, 08:54 PM
I thought he was a bad name.

Like, there are good names and bad names in the industry. Names that just reek of bad news? Like Lefield?

I don't know. Anyone know any books that came out under him? I believe he's edited before.

Well, let's see. I don't really care either way.

Hi-Fi
09-04-2006, 08:56 PM
I thought he was a bad name.

Like, there are good names and bad names in the industry. Names that just reek of bad news? Like Lefield?

I don't know. Anyone know any books that came out under him? I believe he's edited before.

Well, let's see. I don't really care either way.

He edited the Vertigo books and then he edited the Spider-Man books.

Affinity
09-04-2006, 08:57 PM
Vertigo is cool.

And are we saying he edited Spider-Man books during Sins Past?

Hi-Fi
09-04-2006, 09:00 PM
Vertigo is cool.

And are we saying he edited Spider-Man books during Sins Past?

Yes. I think he's still the Spider-Man editor. I could be wrong, though.

Hi-Fi
09-04-2006, 09:01 PM
Yes. I think he's still the Spider-Man editor. I could be wrong, though.

No, wait! That's Robbie Robertson.













HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!:o

Young Avenger
09-05-2006, 12:24 AM
I thought he was a bad name.

Like, there are good names and bad names in the industry. Names that just reek of bad news? Like Lefield?

I don't know. Anyone know any books that came out under him? I believe he's edited before.

Well, let's see. I don't really care either way.

Axel is in charge of the MAX imprint. Along with Spider-Man he also edits Moon Knight (Marvel's most violent non-MAX book) and he'll be editing Punisher: War Journal when it comes out.

Canemacar
09-05-2006, 12:41 AM
Axel is in charge of the MAX imprint. Along with Spider-Man he also edits Moon Knight (Marvel's most violent non-MAX book) and he'll be editing Punisher: War Journal when it comes out.

I think I may be seeing a pattern here.

The Sword Is Drawn
09-05-2006, 02:15 AM
Sounds like some pretty good credentials to me.

If he gets it, more power to him.

Frank
09-05-2006, 05:51 AM
I think me and Sword may be seeing eye-to-eye on this but considering Axel is editing the MAX Peter Wisdom series, it would the perfect way for him to put that series`writer on Excalibur and get a Stormwatch mature british super-hero style..heck given that`s he`s been the Dr. Who writer, have him have his way with Exiles too by creating crazy imaginative worlds too.

The Sword Is Drawn
09-05-2006, 06:05 AM
Excalibur will always be Claremont's baby. But yes, I think Paul Cornell would be a perfectly good replacement for Claremont should he choose to leave the book.

Elias Bogan
09-05-2006, 06:29 AM
It sounds like Axel is only keeping the seat warm for Marvel while they wait for someone else to become available and permanantly take over the job. Now if that is Chris Claremont who knows?

Frank
09-05-2006, 06:31 AM
I don`t know if it`s because of the writing or the artwork but I can`t seem to get into the Excalibur series. It`s not as fun as the classic Alan Davis series, or crazy enough as a brit super-hero book should be. Personaly I would make it a dark spy-inspired book or go nuts and make it more magical with a lot of swords and sorcery.

Although the Wisdom series seems to be a bit of both. Wich is what fascinates me about it.

The Sword Is Drawn
09-05-2006, 06:54 AM
I don`t know if it`s because of the writing or the artwork but I can`t seem to get into the Excalibur series. It`s not as fun as the classic Alan Davis series, or crazy enough as a brit super-hero book should be. Personaly I would make it a dark spy-inspired book or go nuts and make it more magical with a lot of swords and sorcery.

Although the Wisdom series seems to be a bit of both. Wich is what fascinates me about it.

That was very much the kind of book which Excalibur was under Warren Ellis. It's the kind of Excalibur I hoped we'd see when it was revived.

I don't think anything Claremont's written so far is bad, but because of all the changes and his absence the book has barely got going into a proper rythm. When he returns I'm sure it will.

As for Axel Alonso? Well, yes, he might only be 'caretaker' Editor, while Marvel search for a long term replacement, but I do think he has the right kind of credentials. He's working with at least one former Vertigo writer, and X-books do have a bit more of an Indy vibe about them right now.

Keith_Martineau
09-05-2006, 07:28 AM
While I think Axel is a decent choice for X-Editor, I'd be surprised if that was a permanent situation. He's got his plate full already with Spiderman, MAX and Marvel Knights.

DDM
09-05-2006, 09:01 AM
I'd be happy if Axel Alonso did take over as the Senior X-Editor, he's a good choice.

Hopefully Marvel will make a statement soon.

In many ways, Axel Alonso is worse than Mike Marts. Alonso ignores important continuity & refuses to work with established character guidelines. I think, if Axel Alonso is the new managing X-editor, the X-Men books are going to go off the deep end & into a downward spiral of the abyss.

rwsmith
09-05-2006, 09:11 AM
In some cases, ignoring continuity can be a good thing. Cable, for example, would be a much more interesting character IMO if we could simply ignore some of the sillier things that have been retconned into his past.

Beast
09-05-2006, 09:16 AM
In some cases, ignoring continuity can be a good thing. Cable, for example, would be a much more interesting character IMO if we could simply ignore some of the sillier things that have been retconned into his past.
Unfortunatly outright ignoring aspects of characters becomes even more problematic.

Frank
09-05-2006, 09:18 AM
I have to side with DDM here on the ground that Marts`regime played a little too loose with the X Universe especially in term of the lack of respect given to characters. And we needed a change this time with somebody with a greater care for the X-Men, that would bring some some stability. I think Marts made weird choices in term of creators in particular wich didn`t exactly fit the X-Men. I never got what Bachalo was doing there. We needed clarity from Igor Kordey-type messes and you bring in Bachalo? As far as comparison, Milligan would be the Alonso-type of hirings. But as offbeat as Alonso has been in the past, overall he always had better instincts than Marts and a greater eye for talent.

Omega Alpha
09-05-2006, 12:29 PM
Vertigo is cool.

And are we saying he edited Spider-Man books during Sins Past?

Oh, boy, it's the end of the X-books. Well, it was fun while it lasted...

Mariah
09-05-2006, 12:55 PM
I think they should give it to CC, and get him off writing books. I havent' enjoyed a story by CC since his latest removal from the Uncanny, and that was dodgy at best. His New Excalibur is so bad, i can't stand the after taste left in my mouth. I think he'd be a good editor, but the titles are currently in very capable hands right now.

rwsmith
09-05-2006, 12:58 PM
Unfortunatly outright ignoring aspects of characters becomes even more problematic.

Maybe to you, but it never bothers me when someone conveniently leaves out some of the lamer points in a character's history. Morrison was a master at this IMO. Might be why I loved his X-men run so much.

Mariah
09-05-2006, 01:00 PM
Maybe to you, but it never bothers me when someone conveniently leaves out some of the lamer points in a character's history. Morrison was a master at this IMO. Might be why I loved his X-men run so much.
*rolls up newspaper and hits rwsmith on the nose* bad boy!!! Look what you did! Bad, bad boy!!!

Josh S
09-05-2006, 01:13 PM
His New Excalibur is so bad, i can't stand the after taste left in my mouth.

You eat your comics? And here I've just been reading mine like a sucker.

DDM
09-05-2006, 01:24 PM
Maybe to you, but it never bothers me when someone conveniently leaves out some of the lamer points in a character's history. Morrison was a master at this IMO. Might be why I loved his X-men run so much.

Ignoring large chunks of important continuity creates more problems down the road for other editors & other writers. Morrison did not ignore continuity; he embelleshed other unknown things about characters. For instance, Morrison made Emma Frost an "ugly duckling" turned into a swan via cosmetic surgery enhancements. Morrison's Frost made a comment about White Queen, Paris Seville & White King, Edward Buckman--whose only appearance is Classic X-Men #7 (second story)--in New X-Men #139.

Morrison did not ignore continuity.

Mariah
09-05-2006, 01:46 PM
You eat your comics? And here I've just been reading mine like a sucker.
Stupid boys. they don't know anything, don't you know comics are full of fiber and help you poop? Especially crappy comics, although, you might get the runs from them.

Josh S
09-05-2006, 01:48 PM
Stupid boys. they don't know anything, don't you know comics are full of fiber and help you poop? Especially crappy comics, although, you might get the runs from them.

Believe me, I need no help pooping; runny or otherwise.

kate-pryde
09-05-2006, 02:03 PM
In many ways, Axel Alonso is worse than Mike Marts. Alonso ignores important continuity & refuses to work with established character guidelines. I think, if Axel Alonso is the new managing X-editor, the X-Men books are going to go off the deep end & into a downward spiral of the abyss.

If that's true, then I hope Axel's interm editor for as brief of period as possible. Without continuity, there is no long term future.

I'd prefer Claremont as X-editor. Although he tends to be stuck in his vision of characters, I trust him far more than some outsider who'd want to shake things up and change everything to fit some new marketing ploy.

Mariah
09-05-2006, 03:26 PM
Believe me, I need no help pooping; runny or otherwise.
Seeing as you like apes, you probably play with it too:p. Okay, i grossed myself out.

riotgear
09-05-2006, 03:58 PM
Stupid boys. they don't know anything, don't you know comics are full of fiber and help you poop? Especially crappy comics, although, you might get the runs from them.

Just make sure you remove the staples first. That could cause problems...

Novaya Havoc
09-05-2006, 05:25 PM
In some cases, ignoring continuity can be a good thing. Cable, for example, would be a much more interesting character IMO if we could simply ignore some of the sillier things that have been retconned into his past.

I agree. But sometimes this works in the story's favor -- other times it doesn't.

One case for good: Jean always being Phoenix under Morrison (I hate Phoenix, but makes a world more sense).
Two cases for bad: Gambit becomes Death; Dazzler becomes a man-hating butch-o.

So I'm cautious when we're ignoring continuity as a way of ignoring tasty character traits I enjoy.

The Sword Is Drawn
09-05-2006, 06:10 PM
One case for good: Jean always being Phoenix under Morrison (I hate Phoenix, but makes a world more sense).

Exept that this did ignore the whole of Rachel Summers as the Phoenix, and the Phoenix Entity developed throughout Excalibur...:rolleyes:

Novaya Havoc
09-05-2006, 06:12 PM
Exept that this did ignore the whole of Rachel Summers as the Phoenix, and the Phoenix Entity developed throughout Excalibur...:rolleyes:

Again: This was an example of ignoring continuity as a BENEFIT to the character.


:D

kate-pryde
09-05-2006, 07:14 PM
Exept that this did ignore the whole of Rachel Summers as the Phoenix, and the Phoenix Entity developed throughout Excalibur...:rolleyes:

Exactly. I'm sick and tired of pick & choose your continuity (which typically means ignoring books like Excalibur). Just because a writer or editor doesn't like something, doesn't mean it should be ignored. It's just like telling a group of fans to get lost.

Mariah
09-05-2006, 07:20 PM
Exactly. I'm sick and tired of pick & choose your continuity (which typically means ignoring books like Excalibur). Just because a writer or editor doesn't like something, doesn't mean it should be ignored. It's just like telling a group of fans to get lost.
Wasn't the guy who threw out the Rachel as Phoenix thing the guy who gave it to her in the first place? So...what's to complain about. He wanted to focus on something other than her being Phoenix, and getting rid of it was, I think, a step in the right direction.

kate-pryde
09-05-2006, 08:33 PM
Wasn't the guy who threw out the Rachel as Phoenix thing the guy who gave it to her in the first place? So...what's to complain about. He wanted to focus on something other than her being Phoenix, and getting rid of it was, I think, a step in the right direction.

Claremont has said it was editorial policy that only Jean was Phoenix, not that was what he wanted to do. The problem has been editorial interference all along with Rachel.

fishtaco
09-05-2006, 08:44 PM
Claremont has said it was editorial policy that only Jean was Phoenix, not that was what he wanted to do. The problem has been editorial interference all along with Rachel.It's true, it's true!!!

Mariah
09-05-2006, 09:52 PM
It's true, it's true!!!
Well, finally, the editor's got something right. I like Rachel w/o the Phoenix.

Novaya Havoc
09-05-2006, 10:01 PM
Well, finally, the editor's got something right. I like Rachel w/o the Phoenix.

Agreed. She only became Phoenix, IMO, as a backhand to bringing back Marvel Girl in X-Factah.

Mariah
09-05-2006, 10:24 PM
Agreed. She only became Phoenix, IMO, as a backhand to bringing back Marvel Girl in X-Factah.
Oh, having two normal powered telekinetics in the marvel mutant world would be too much!! Gotta make one a god like character.

The Sword Is Drawn
09-06-2006, 02:39 AM
It would certainly be very interesting to have Claremont as X-Editor. Considering that he's spent the last couple of years trying to tie so much jumbled continuity into making sense I think it would be great for him to oversee all the books - shaping the whole X-brand into all working together.

The only problem with that is that Chris is going to be writing four titles soon: Exiles, New Excalibur, X-Men: The End, and that other new project with the future possible offspring of X-Characters.

Considering Chris is currently having time off from cardiac stress it's a big ask to write all those and edit the whole brand. Frankly, I think, too big an ask.

If he were to edit the books I think, at most he would have to merely plot Exiles and New Excalibur for other writers to put together, finish with X-Men: The End and abandon that new project.

Having read the New Excalibur issues Chris Yost finished from Chris' plots I would actually really like to see that happen, if the situation arose. I don't dislike what Frank Tieri is doing with New Excalibur, but he is a very different writer, and I'm not sure he will suit the title in the long run. Wheras Yost really seemed to get what Claremont was trying to do. At times I flat forgot I wasn't reading Claremont. It worked really well.

I guess, perhaps, the question would be as to whether Chris Claremont would want to be X-editor at this point?

Joe Zool
09-06-2006, 09:29 AM
It's official now. Marvel/Newsrama just confirmed it.


I don't have a good feeling about this, but all we can do is wait and see what happens.

NickThompson
09-06-2006, 09:35 AM
I think that Alonso appears to be a good editor, so I look forward to seeing what happens next.



It's worth noting that an editor's job is more than just continuity.

Mariah
09-06-2006, 09:53 AM
I think that Alonso appears to be a good editor, so I look forward to seeing what happens next.



It's worth noting that an editor's job is more than just continuity.
Yeah, they also approve crappy stories like Sin's Past and the Other.

streator
09-06-2006, 09:56 AM
he edited (i believe) jenkins' pp:sm run and millar's mk spider-man run. i enjoyed both of those.
i don't think the change will be that significant, personally.

Ryan K
09-06-2006, 10:11 AM
Wow. An editor I've actually heard of an like. What are the odds. Wasn't he behind X-Force/X-Statix as well? I'm all for this.

NickThompson
09-06-2006, 12:07 PM
Yeah, they also approve crappy stories like Sin's Past and the Other.
They also approve things like Moon Knight, X-Statix, Daredevil, Bullseye Greatest Hits and Punisher MAX. No one can bat 1.000 :)

DDM
09-06-2006, 12:54 PM
Agreed. She only became Phoenix, IMO, as a backhand to bringing back Marvel Girl in X-Factah.

Rachel was not retconned out of being Phoenix. While Marvel Girl existed in X-Factor; Rachel Summers, as the one & only Phoenix, appeared in Excalibur. In the 90's, Marvel decided to write out & kill Rachel as the Mother Askani. However, this does not negate her as Phoenix. Currently, Rachel has a large resource of power & wields a Phoenix tattoo. Rachel is still Phoenix in all but name.

kate-pryde
09-06-2006, 01:25 PM
It's official now. Marvel/Newsrama just confirmed it.


I don't have a good feeling about this, but all we can do is wait and see what happens.

Is it just temporary? Otherwise, Alonso's got to be stretched pretty thin. All the X-books, plus all the Marvel Knights and MAX titles, and Amazing Spider-Man, Moon Knight, Ghost Rider, and Punisher War Journal?

Or are Sean Ryan and Nick Lowe going to be basically running the X-books with Alonso just supervising?

From the interviews I found when he was editing X-Force, he's definately not an X-fan or liked X-Men comics in the past. Certainly not the type of person I'd want incharge of the X-books.

I'm still holding out hope Alonso's just filling-in until Claremont's health improves.

kate-pryde
09-06-2006, 01:32 PM
Rachel was not retconned out of being Phoenix. While Marvel Girl existed in X-Factor; Rachel Summers, as the one & only Phoenix, appeared in Excalibur. In the 90's, Marvel decided to write out & kill Rachel as the Mother Askani. However, this does not negate her as Phoenix. Currently, Rachel has a large resource of power & wields a Phoenix tattoo. Rachel is still Phoenix in all but name.

Also, in Adventures of Cyclops & Phoenix, even though the Phoenix Force had left Mother Askani, she still had an amazing amount of residual energy left from it. Now, who knows if she has any residual energy. It's never been mentioned, but it might explain the floating Phoenix symbol over her eye, but clearly her power level doesn't show it.

Daithi
09-06-2006, 02:14 PM
Just to clarify something.

The editors had nothing to do with removing the Phoenix from Rachel when she returned from the timestream. Robert Weinberg who brought her back in Cable basically said "I don't want Rachel as the Phoenix because if she's so powerful why can't she stop famine, disease, create world peace."

Now considering he wrote my fave version of Rachel since 1991 I'm inclinded to agree with him. Rachel doesn't need the Phoenix. She needs a writer who doesn't treat her as a 15 year old.

Michael P
09-06-2006, 03:31 PM
It's worth noting that an editor's job is more than just continuity.
I just thought this bore repeating.

Mariah
09-06-2006, 03:41 PM
They also approve things like Moon Knight, X-Statix, Daredevil, Bullseye Greatest Hits and Punisher MAX. No one can bat 1.000 :)
Too gross, over rated, love it, I'm ambivalent towards the last two, as I don't care for the characters. So...still not seeing the love for the man.

kate-pryde
09-06-2006, 03:57 PM
The editor sets the tone for the books, approves storylines, hires writers and all of that. Continuity plays a role. They can either follow it or ignore it.

The writers also rely on the editors to help them with continuity. Someone like Joss or even Brubaker or Carey can’t be expected to have read every issue of every X-book. The writers are expecting the editors to say “you can’t do this, because” or “this needs to be changed because” or to give them hints and tips about past continuity that can add to their stories.

The problem is that editors are also driven by increasing sales. When sales become the number one goal over good stories, then the quality goes down hill.

If the editor thinks that the 40+ years of continuity and and thousands of issues make X-books too confusing for new readers, that time traveling characters are silly, or readers are unable to comprehend complex backstories or thinks that teenage boys are intimidated by powerful women, then the long-term fans have an issue.

(You might think I’m joking about the whole teenage boys are intimidated by powerful women remark, but it can be so true. I’m a martial arts instructor at a dojo where 75% of a black belts are female and the reaction of some guys is priceless when they get their butt kicked sparring a girl half their age. )

So, if some editor comes and wants to change things based on what people who aren’t reading think or ignore continuity, because, for example, they think cute, bubbly, meak Rachel Grey in her mini-skirt would appeal more to a certain demographic than powerful, brooding Rachel Summers did (with or without the Phoenix Force), then I have a problem.

It’s the same as when a new exec producer come on to a long running tv show and wants to change everything to boost the ratings, without knowing why the show was successful in the first place.


Just to clarify something.

The editors had nothing to do with removing the Phoenix from Rachel when she returned from the timestream. Robert Weinberg who brought her back in Cable basically said "I don't want Rachel as the Phoenix because if she's so powerful why can't she stop famine, disease, create world peace."

Now considering he wrote my fave version of Rachel since 1991 I'm inclinded to agree with him. Rachel doesn't need the Phoenix. She needs a writer who doesn't treat her as a 15 year old.


I agree that all-powerful heroes makes it rather pointless. But it's not just power level that makes a person powerful. It's the way they act. And that's been the problem with Rachel...

In the past, the editorial interference has been an issue. Mark Powers gave exclusive rights to use Ray to David Tischman on Cable, and wouldn't let Claremont add her to X-Treme. Then Tischman was fired and Cable canceled and Claremont still couldn't use Rachel.

Ray's probably the best example of a character who's had such drastic editorial meddling. The writers need to be able to tell the stories they want to tell without the editors preventing them from using a character. Look at how Claremont was prevented from using Kitty for so long and now she's one of the most popular X-Men characters.

NickThompson
09-06-2006, 05:11 PM
The writers also rely on the editors to help them with continuity. Someone like Joss or even Brubaker or Carey can’t be expected to have read every issue of every X-book. The writers are expecting the editors to say “you can’t do this, because” or “this needs to be changed because” or to give them hints and tips about past continuity that can add to their stories.
But why can we let the writers off knowing everything, yet criticise the editor for it?


If the editor thinks that the 40+ years of continuity and and thousands of issues make X-books too confusing for new readers, that time traveling characters are silly, or readers are unable to comprehend complex backstories or thinks that teenage boys are intimidated by powerful women, then the long-term fans have an issue.
Although I see your point, I think some people (Not neccesarily you, general comment) are a bit too strong in this. Not referencing something doesn't always mean ignoring.

Zombienorthstar
09-06-2006, 05:21 PM
But why can we let the writers off knowing everything, yet criticise the editor for it?

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Because accuracy is the editors job. The writer is paid to focus on narrative, themes etc...of course its best if they have some knowledge because it speeds up the process but its not their job to do so exclusivley.

kate-pryde
09-06-2006, 07:11 PM
Isn't the editors job to edit? I.e. fix the mistakes, make revisions, make suggestions? To help the writers by telling them what's wrong and making suggestions on how to make books better?

I'm not saying they have to be a slave to continuity. The editor needs to see what worked and what didn't. Some times an idea just didn't work, but they need to get to the heart of the characters. But if they haven't even read the issues and don't understand the continuity, how can they do their job?

I have a feeling that Marvel's main objective is to bring someone in as X-editor who can say, "It really boosted sales when some comic did this!" rather than "Jean Grey didn't send Krakoa into space, Lorna did". And the role of the editor is to figure out how to sell more books rather than prevent continuity errors. Or even to prevent character's names from being misspelled.

Michael P
09-06-2006, 08:50 PM
Isn't the editors job to edit? I.e. fix the mistakes, make revisions, make suggestions? To help the writers by telling them what's wrong and making suggestions on how to make books better?
The editor's job is to make it good. End of story.

So, if some editor comes and wants to change things based on what people who aren’t reading think or ignore continuity, because, for example, they think cute, bubbly, meak Rachel Grey in her mini-skirt would appeal more to a certain demographic than powerful, brooding Rachel Summers did (with or without the Phoenix Force), then I have a problem.

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Frank
09-06-2006, 10:19 PM
I was thinking maybe it wouldn`t be the best thing to have CC edit the line. Because FOCUS has always been a trouble for Chris, letting sub-plots dangle and so forth. The guy has a fountain of ideas in his head but his weakness is to make it entangible sometime. If you read the days of the Outbacks or when he returned on Uncanny with the whole Neo thing, even on other books like Sovereign 7 and Aliens vs Predators, it got pretty confusing, not knowing who is who, what the Hell was going on. God knows the X titles need to be as clear, as accessible as possible. Because it hasn`t been easy for the last 5 years. In that regard I would be afraid that Chris let the creators go to wild and it would become a mess. What person will say "No" to these guys if they fill the places with those super-warrior women? lol Plus, if he loved these characters so much he may have trouble not giving advice with him almost writing the thing himself and the creators would be pissed off at that.

As far as Axel, my hope is that he brings some edge to the x titles. Some danger.

Novaya Havoc
09-06-2006, 10:46 PM
Isn't the editors job to edit? I.e. fix the mistakes, make revisions, make suggestions? To help the writers by telling them what's wrong and making suggestions on how to make books better?


Exactly. Which is why they say "Please, for the love of God, drop this plot point from 1972."

It's not so cut-and-dried as the continuity-philes like to believe.

Mariah
09-06-2006, 11:22 PM
Exactly. Which is why they say "Please, for the love of God, drop this plot point from 1972."

It's not so cut-and-dried as the continuity-philes like to believe.
But...but...it's not good unless it was a story idea from before most of us we're born!!

fishtaco
09-07-2006, 04:15 PM
I was thinking maybe it wouldn`t be the best thing to have CC edit the line. Because FOCUS has always been a trouble for Chris, letting sub-plots dangle and so forth. The guy has a fountain of ideas in his head but his weakness is to make it entangible sometime. If you read the days of the Outbacks or when he returned on Uncanny with the whole Neo thing, even on other books like Sovereign 7 and Aliens vs Predators, it got pretty confusing, not knowing who is who, what the Hell was going on. God knows the X titles need to be as clear, as accessible as possible. Because it hasn`t been easy for the last 5 years. In that regard I would be afraid that Chris let the creators go to wild and it would become a mess. What person will say "No" to these guys if they fill the places with those super-warrior women? lol Plus, if he loved these characters so much he may have trouble not giving advice with him almost writing the thing himself and the creators would be pissed off at that.

As far as Axel, my hope is that he brings some edge to the x titles. Some danger.I can't comment on S7 because I haven't read it, but when Chris has a plotline he hasn't resolved, it's usually because he didn't get the chance to. The Neo one is a good example. He had every intention of resolving it and planned to do so in early 2001, but he was shuffled to XXT. He planned to resolve it there, but when Beast was written out of his cast at the last minute for Grant Morrison he had to rewrite the entire first year of the book, which meant that several plotlines (including the Neo one apparently) had to be dropped. The Outback days ended before he intended them to, and therefore he didn't get the chance to resolve some of those stories (ie the living computer in the X-Men's base). He planned on having the X-Men go back to Australia to free Gateway, retake the town, and defeat the Reavers in X-Men (2nd Series) #2, but he left the book because they wouldn't let him tell that story (or any of his stories, for that matter). Also, I don't think Chris, if he was editor, would force writers to characterize the X-women as super-strong, independent, and possibly even homosexual or bi-sexual.

That's not to say that I want Chris as editor, because I don't. I don't care for the current canon and I'd rather have Chris try to move around it and try to resolve some stories rather than shepard the mess that I think we have.

mike627
09-07-2006, 11:33 PM
I wolud not wish the x-men editor job on my worst enemy it's not worth it,when things are going well you,the writers and artists are brilliant when it's not you are idiots who don't know what you are doing.

Frank
09-08-2006, 09:25 AM
I can't comment on S7 because I haven't read it, but when Chris has a plotline he hasn't resolved, it's usually because he didn't get the chance to. The Neo one is a good example. He had every intention of resolving it and planned to do so in early 2001, but he was shuffled to XXT. He planned to resolve it there, but when Beast was written out of his cast at the last minute for Grant Morrison he had to rewrite the entire first year of the book, which meant that several plotlines (including the Neo one apparently) had to be dropped. The Outback days ended before he intended them to, and therefore he didn't get the chance to resolve some of those stories (ie the living computer in the X-Men's base). He planned on having the X-Men go back to Australia to free Gateway, retake the town, and defeat the Reavers in X-Men (2nd Series) #2, but he left the book because they wouldn't let him tell that story. Also, I don't think Chris, if he was editor, would force writers to characterize the X-women as super-strong, independent, and possibly even homosexual or bi-sexual.

That's not to say that I want Chris as editor, because I don't. I don't care for the current canon and I'd rather have Chris try to move around it and try to resolve some stories rather than shepard the mess that I think we have.

Dude, there were things that didn`t make sens ON PURPOSE. Like when during the Breakdown storyline Longshot just vanished without reasons and never returned. You read that it`s:"WTF? just happened". Neo was confusing not because Morrison discarded the concepts, but because it was confusing WHEN IT WAS HAPPENING! There was Neo and the Slavers and I don`t know what other concepts and characters there were and what was their purpose. It was hard to differenciate between what was what and who.

The perfect X-editor would not only care about the continuity but make sure everything is crisp and clear for the casual readers too. CC has always been a great writer, good with dialogue and a great imagination but sometime you have to bring him down to Earth. I would like to see someone who`s fairly old school and that has done that before handling the editing of the X-line like Denny O`Neil who once edited the Batman-line with its various characters.

SUPERECWFAN1
09-08-2006, 04:30 PM
I wonder who has been named as X-Men Editor ? Has Axel Alonso been named Editor or Tom Breevort ?

fishtaco
09-08-2006, 05:03 PM
Dude, there were things that didn`t make sens ON PURPOSE. Like when during the Breakdown storyline Longshot just vanished without reasons and never returned. You read that it`s:"WTF? just happened". Neo was confusing not because Morrison discarded the concepts, but because it was confusing WHEN IT WAS HAPPENING! There was Neo and the Slavers and I don`t know what other concepts and characters there were and what was their purpose. It was hard to differenciate between what was what and who.

The perfect X-editor would not only care about the continuity but make sure everything is crisp and clear for the casual readers too. CC has always been a great writer, good with dialogue and a great imagination but sometime you have to bring him down to Earth. I would like to see someone who`s fairly old school and that has done that before handling the editing of the X-line like Denny O`Neil who once edited the Batman-line with its various characters.I agree. Like I said, I don't want Chris to be the X-editor. I'd be dissapointed if he was hired for the job. Yeah, during Revolution the villains were a little confusing. I thought you were referring to Chris not resolving the Neo's story. My mistake.

Oh, and the Longshot story? Claremont wrote Longshot out of the book in Uncanny X-Men #248 because Ann Nocenti and Art Adams asked him to. They wanted to do another Longshot series, and since Longshot is Ann and Art's character, and since Chris is/was friends with both Ann and Art, he honored their request and let him go. Unfortunately, that book never saw print. We don't know the reason why, and we probably never will. I asked Claremont why a year or so ago, and all he said was that there were other things going on at the time across Marvel, and it never got published. That can mean an inifinite amount of things. It's possible that it was no one's fault (not even at the time eic Tom DeFalco) that the book didn't get published. It certainly wasn't Claremont's. Later on in 1992, Jim Lee picked up Longshot and resolved the story his own way.

Frank
09-09-2006, 08:44 PM
Yea..I was looking forward to that book a lot! I saw publicity for it and never saw the book. Arthur Adams is a can`t miss from my part.