In Uncanny 172, Rogue says...

[evilheroics]

In Uncanny 172 the final page, rogue tells wolverine that shes part alien...

what is she talking about? i wasnt aware of this...

[witchboy]

Ms Marvel 's powers altered her so that she had some Kree DNA , so when Rogue got her powers , she also inherited the Kree DNA . So in a way Rogue was part alien .

[DDM]

Ms. Marvel combined the best elements of human & Kree DNA to create a unique hybrid who is neither quite human or Kree. It is these same hybrid genes which created Binary. Read Avengers Annual #10; the Avengers use Carol's unique hybrid DNA to track Rogue...

[jarrod]

Has Rogue's DNA been permanently altered though? Does she still carry traces of the Kree DNA, even though she's long lost Carol's psyche and powers?

[DDM]

Has Rogue's DNA been permanently altered though? Does she still carry traces of the Kree DNA, even though she's long lost Carol's psyche and powers?

Despite what has been written, Rogue has Ms. Marvel's powers permanently. They are forever bound.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Rogue should also still have skrull DNA as well from when she absorbed that Skrull during the Revolution era.

[Affinity]

Does Ms. Marvel still have the Kree DNA?

[Affinity]

Also, check out this thread the next time you've got a question.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=132932

[fishtaco]

Does Ms. Marvel still have the Kree DNA?I believe so, yes.

[Shane Shooter]

Despite what has been written, Rogue has Ms. Marvel's powers permanently. They are forever bound.

Despite what's been written ? I don't get it .......if they write that she doesn't have the powers anymore then ... She doesn't have the powers anyomore right ?

[Mikl C]

She still should though. She abosrobed a skrull as well like was said above which caused her powers to go haywire. Then they just dropped that plot, but allowed her to keep Wolverine's claws? It was so stupid.

[jarrod]

Despite what has been written, Rogue has Ms. Marvel's powers permanently. They are forever bound.
Shouldn't she still have Carol's psyche then too? Maybe the Carol persona/abilities are just deeply submersed?

[DDM]

Does Ms. Marvel still have the Kree DNA?

Yes, the human-Kree hybrid genes--combined with the Brood's Evolutionary Ray--creates Binary which gives Carol the ability to tap into a white hole & use the powers of a star at her will:

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/97792366288.164.GIF

Before Carol's transformation into Binary, her hybrid human-Kree genes gave her the equivilant of Captain America's powers; in other words, she is the perfect human being with near Olympic level feats as Dr. Moira MacTaggert made when Carol Danvers fought the Starjammers in Uncanny X-Men #158.

As Binary, Carol could exist in the vacuum of space indefinitely, flight at near lightspeed, shoot starblasts from her hands, & lift (press) over 100 tons. Carol had a indefinite limit when reached she would revert back to her human form.

Carol currently possesses her halved Binary powers as Warbird & now renamed Ms. Marvel. Carol's Binary powers are apparently gone in The Avengers #4 (volume 3) & left with a reduced form of her Binary powers as Warbird.

[DDM]

Shouldn't she still have Carol's psyche then too? Maybe the Carol persona/abilities are just deeply submersed?

No. The Carol Danvers psyche was destroyed in Uncanny X-Men #269 since both Rogue & "Ms. Marvel" shared the same lifeforce:

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/97792366288.269.GIF

In effect, when the "Ms. Marvel" creature was killed & intergrated into Rogue, this is a similar as to intergrating split personalities, albeit by unconventional means since this is a comic book. As a result, Rogue's mind is no longer inpenatrable to telepaths & she had no psi-shields; therefore, Rogue became a victim of the Shadow King's telepathic thrall in Uncanny X-Men #278. The "Ms. Marvel" personality made an interference which effectively blocked all telepaths from her mind as Xavier notes in Uncanny X-Men #171.

[Sean Whitmore]

Despite what's been written ? I don't get it .......if they write that she doesn't have the powers anymore then ... She doesn't have the powers anyomore right ?


You are correct.

That is all.

:)


SEAN

[DDM]

Despite what's been written ? I don't get it .......if they write that she doesn't have the powers anymore then ... She doesn't have the powers anyomore right ?

Rogue has Ms. Marvel's powers forever; they are a fundamental part of her character. No matter how much Rogue changes, she will have a part of Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel in her.

[Shane Shooter]

Rogue has Ms. Marvel's powers forever; they are a fundamental part of her character. No matter how much Rogue changes, she will have a part of Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel in her.

I buy that... they'll always be inter-twined in some way ......... but the power thing ........ I don't see how she could still have Ms Marvel's Powers if ...... its been established that she doesn't

[Sean Whitmore]

I buy that... they'll always be inter-twined in some way ......... but the power thing ........ I don't see how she could still have Ms Marvel's Powers if ...... its been established that she doesn't


She doesn't. It's not more complicated than that.


SEAN

[Zombienorthstar]

I buy that... they'll always be inter-twined in some way ......... but the power thing ........ I don't see how she could still have Ms Marvel's Powers if ...... its been established that she doesn't

Its called fanboy denial Shane...go with it...:D


eg 'What is cat beast?'

[Shane Shooter]

Its called fanboy denial Shane...go with it...:D


eg 'What is cat beast?'

My bad ... I feel you ....... I guess its just like How I'm denial that Nightcrawler's Pops is a Demon ....and mutants originated from Demons or whatever the Draco was talking about lol

[Keith_Martineau]

I didn't read the Rogue ongoing these last two years, so I'm not even 100% positive what was done there, such as her gaining Sunfire's powers---and as far as I'm concerned, they simply have not explained how she went from powerless in X-Treme, to, you know, powered in Reload whatsoever.

But my submission for the No-Prize is that Claremont was moving her in a direction where it is discovered that her DNA is malleable, and her psyche has a direct effect and control on her powers. He was beginning to suggest that she could control her ability to touch if she really wanted, and by extention could also control which powers she used and at what time. So while it's SMART to use Ms. Marvels flight and superstrength for obvious reasons, it is no longer permanent per say. She can use whatever powers she wants at whatever time, and has access to any of the powers she's absorbed in the past. So yeah.

It certainly appears in X-Men though, that they're just having her be a more classic visage of Rogue, who can't touch, and absorbs powers for a short time.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Does Ms. Marvel still have the Kree DNA?

Yes, its full potential was unleashed by the Brood and she became Binary. Then Carol's Binary burned itself out down to a lower level and she called herself Warbird, but she still has her Kree DNA. I suppose Rogue's Kree potential could be unleashed as well. Thatd make for a cool story.

[Steven F.]

Rogue has Ms. Marvel's powers forever; they are a fundamental part of her character. No matter how much Rogue changes, she will have a part of Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel in her.


Except that, well, there not.

[fishtaco]

I didn't read the Rogue ongoing these last two years, so I'm not even 100% positive what was done there, such as her gaining Sunfire's powers---and as far as I'm concerned, they simply have not explained how she went from powerless in X-Treme, to, you know, powered in Reload whatsoever.

But my submission for the No-Prize is that Claremont was moving her in a direction where it is discovered that her DNA is malleable, and her psyche has a direct effect and control on her powers. He was beginning to suggest that she could control her ability to touch if she really wanted, and by extention could also control which powers she used and at what time. So while it's SMART to use Ms. Marvels flight and superstrength for obvious reasons, it is no longer permanent per say. She can use whatever powers she wants at whatever time, and has access to any of the powers she's absorbed in the past. So yeah.

It certainly appears in X-Men though, that they're just having her be a more classic visage of Rogue, who can't touch, and absorbs powers for a short time.A lot of what you said is the impression I got as well.

[The Fury]

Except that, well, there not.
Writers mistake.

the Kree DNA within Carol was passed to Rogue, it's DNA, now she may have exhuasted her powers in X-treme X-men and Sage gave her them back yet at the same time a sort of reset removing all the remanents of powers she'd absorbed before. But Ms Marvel's powers being part of her DNA meant that so matter how many resets she'd have she'd still have them.

She still might, it's just that she doesn't realise or they are surpressed.

[DDM]

Yes, its full potential was unleashed by the Brood and she became Binary. Then Carol's Binary burned itself out down to a lower level and she called herself Warbird, but she still has her Kree DNA. I suppose Rogue's Kree potential could be unleashed as well. Thatd make for a cool story.

I don't think so. Rogue's mutant DNA will not create a second Binary even if the potential was unleashed. Rogue has absorbed a myriad of other aliens from the Magus of the Technarchy, the mystical female Dire Wraiths, the insane otherdimensional Mojo, & the mystical god, Garrok, the Petrified Man. The residue effect remains in Rogue's DNA.

[Metallurgique]

It would've been nice if, after UXM #269, they had shown a small scene where Carol suddenly regained her memories..

[Christopher O]

Writers mistake.

the Kree DNA within Carol was passed to Rogue, it's DNA, now she may have exhuasted her powers in X-treme X-men and Sage gave her them back yet at the same time a sort of reset removing all the remanents of powers she'd absorbed before. But Ms Marvel's powers being part of her DNA meant that so matter how many resets she'd have she'd still have them.

She still might, it's just that she doesn't realise or they are surpressed.
You can't just pass DNA, and in a world where you can, I don't see why it can't be passed right back. Rogue doesn't have the powers anymore. It's not a mistake or a conspiracy or continuity flub. They took them away from her, period.

[fishtaco]

It would've been nice if, after UXM #269, they had shown a small scene where Carol suddenly regained her memories..It would have been nice if in Uncanny X-Men #269 we actually got to see the Shadow King corrupt the Ms. Marvel persona on panel. ;)

[jarrod]

No. The Carol Danvers psyche was destroyed in Uncanny X-Men #269 since both Rogue & "Ms. Marvel" shared the same lifeforce:

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/97792366288.269.GIF

In effect, when the "Ms. Marvel" creature was killed & intergrated into Rogue, this is a similar as to intergrating split personalities, albeit by unconventional means since this is a comic book. As a result, Rogue's mind is no longer inpenatrable to telepaths & she had no psi-shields; therefore, Rogue became a victim of the Shadow King's telepathic thrall in Uncanny X-Men #278. The "Ms. Marvel" personality made an interference which effectively blocked all telepaths from her mind as Xavier notes in Uncanny X-Men #171.
I understand the whole Seige seperation... I just don't understand why Carol's psyche would be singled out and not retained while her powers and DNA would? Particularly if these aspects of Carol were to be permanently bonded to Rogue and fully reintergrated when the split Ms. Marvel personality was killed... maybe that's actually how the Shadow King corrupted Rogue, he had an instant "in" when the Ms. Marvel creature was killed and reintergrated? Seems rather too convienent an idea to think the psyche's gone but the powers are there forever....

I'd also always figured Rogue resistance to telepathy was due in general to her absorbtion powers retaining some level of psychic baggage (as seen briefly in the scene where Rogue gave up control to Carol during the initial Genosha storyline) rather than specifically tied to the Carol persona. The fully imprinted Carol persona obviously might've pushed things a bit farther (making her fully blocked mentally) but even then it'd just be an extension or side effect of Rogue's natural abilities.


I didn't read the Rogue ongoing these last two years, so I'm not even 100% positive what was done there, such as her gaining Sunfire's powers---and as far as I'm concerned, they simply have not explained how she went from powerless in X-Treme, to, you know, powered in Reload whatsoever.
Me either... but what happened to Shiro's psyche? Is it simply dormant like Carol's was?

[DDM]

I understand the whole Seige seperation... I just don't understand why Carol's psyche would be singled out and not retained while her powers and DNA would? Particularly if these aspects of Carol were to be permanently bonded to Rogue and fully reintergrated when the split Ms. Marvel personality was killed... maybe that's actually how the Shadow King corrupted Rogue, he had an instant "in" when the Ms. Marvel creature was killed and reintergrated? Seems rather too convienent an idea to think the psyche's gone but the powers are there forever....

I'd also always figured Rogue resistance to telepathy was due in general to her absorbtion powers retaining some level of psychic baggage (as seen briefly in the scene where Rogue gave up control to Carol during the initial Genosha storyline) rather than specifically tied to the Carol persona. The fully imprinted Carol persona obviously might've pushed things a bit farther (making her fully blocked mentally) but even then it'd just be an extension or side effect of Rogue's natural abilities.

Actually, the "Ms. Marvel" creature only retained her halved Ms. Marvel abilities as noted by the Shadow King in Uncanny X-Men #269. In close proximity, Rogue regains the other half of her Ms. Marvel powers with the "Ms. Marvel" being.

When Rogue & Warbird fought in Contest of Champions II, Carol notes the Brood Queen's psyche is gone from Rogue. The Avengers ask her how does she know these things. Warbird answers that a part of her remains in Rogue. Warbird then says she may not like Rogue, but she has gotten over her hatred for Rogue.

The Shadow King is able to fully subvert Rogue in Uncanny X-Men #278 since her mind no longer has the Carol Danvers psyche to act as a natural firewall against telepaths. This is a result of the "Ms. Marvel" psyche made flesh then killed from Uncanny X-Men #269.

[Mikl C]

Hoe on Earth could you forgive someone stealing your memories/soul and then throwing you off a bridge?!

[fishtaco]

Hoe on Earth could you forgive someone stealing your memories/soul and then throwing you off a bridge?!'Twas the 90's. Sometimes, we have to stretch our suspension of belief to absurd levels. ;)

[jarrod]

Actually, the "Ms. Marvel" creature only retained her halved Ms. Marvel abilities as noted by the Shadow King in Uncanny X-Men #269. In close proximity, Rogue regains the other half of her Ms. Marvel powers with the "Ms. Marvel" being.
Sure, but out of proximity, Rogue didn't have Carol's abilities at all... they didn't kick in again for awhile after the reintegration either.


When Rogue & Warbird fought in Contest of Champions II, Carol notes the Brood Queen's psyche is gone from Rogue. The Avengers ask her how does she know these things. Warbird answers that a part of her remains in Rogue. Warbird then says she may not like Rogue, but she has gotten over her hatred for Rogue.
I'm confused though... wouldn't this indicate Carol's psyche is still deep in there?


The Shadow King is able to fully subvert Rogue in Uncanny X-Men #278 since her mind no longer has the Carol Danvers psyche to act as a natural firewall against telepaths. This is a result of the "Ms. Marvel" psyche made flesh then killed from Uncanny X-Men #269.
Was this stated on panel though? I kind of prefer my own interpretation honestly (that through the back door of Carol's psyche the Shadow King corrupted Rogue), plus it leaves room for Rogue's psychic resistance being a natural side effect of her own powers. Rogue was drawn to Muir following her reintegration with Carol after all, indicating the Shadow King had likely started corrupting her in the Savage Land.

[DDM]

Sure, but out of proximity, Rogue didn't have Carol's abilities at all... they didn't kick in again for awhile after the reintegration either.

Yes, only in close proximity to "Ms. Marvel." Without "Ms. Marvel" close by, Rogue only had her mutant absorbition powers.



I'm confused though... wouldn't this indicate Carol's psyche is still deep in there?

No. The "Ms. Marvel" psyche was killed in Uncanny X-Men #269 by Magneto. He intergrated "Ms. Marvel" back into Rogue completely using the Savage Land devices.



Was this stated on panel though? I kind of prefer my own interpretation honestly (that through the back door of Carol's psyche the Shadow King corrupted Rogue), plus it leaves room for Rogue's psychic resistance being a natural side effect of her own powers. Rogue was drawn to Muir following her reintegration with Carol after all, indicating the Shadow King had likely started corrupting her in the Savage Land.

It does not have be stated on panel. Rogue is being telepathically subverted after only a few hours on Muir Island by the Shadow King.

In Uncanny X-Men #269, the Shadow King subverted "Ms. Marvel" to kill Rogue then the "Ms. Marvel" creature would have both Ms. Marvel's powers & Rogue's powers to serve the Shadow King. Things did not go to plan since Magneto killed "Ms. Marvel" because she was a pawn of the Shadow King.

When Rogue landed on Muir Island, the Shadow King subverted Rogue.

[blinkinrogue]

Now that rogue has absorbed sunfire's powers and memories, shouldnt she have protection again from telepaths? if it happened with ms marvel dont see y it cant happen with sunfire.

Also i found this strange, if its wolverine's healing factor that prevents the adamantium from killing him, how come when rogue absorbed his power, he didnt die from poisoning???

[Mikl C]

The adamantium poisoning takes place over a prolonged period of time. More than a few months I'd guess- judging from the story where the High Evolutionary devolved them.

[The Fury]

Now that rogue has absorbed sunfire's powers and memories, shouldnt she have protection again from telepaths? if it happened with ms marvel dont see y it cant happen with sunfire.
I personally always took it as her mind was hard to lock onto as of the minds in there. Too much noise. But yeah, she should be.

The adamantium poisoning takes place over a prolonged period of time. More than a few months I'd guess- judging from the story where the High Evolutionary devolved them.
Yeah, when High Evo depowered them all. Including Rogue...yet after, she's fine, all ehr power intact. :rolleyes:

[Zombienorthstar]

I wonder if the malleability of Rogue's cells and physiology makes her more likely to develop cancer?

[Editor]

I wonder if the malleability of Rogue's cells and physiology makes her more likely to develop cancer?

It's the question we've all been thinking!

[DDM]

In Uncanny X-Men #163, the Brood notes Carol Danvers--while in great pain--remains sane & aware of what the Brood plan for her using their evolutionary ray; they also are surprised to find Carol's mind is highly resistant to the examination, a byproduct of her Kree-human hybrid genes.

Rogue may have something of a similar resistance; however, given Rogue's genome is malleable & she has absorbed other aliens into herself, Rogue may not be as resistant to telepaths as she thinks with the "Ms. Marvel" personality gone from her psyche.

[Zombienorthstar]

In Uncanny X-Men #163, the Brood notes Carol Danvers--while in great pain--remains sane & aware of what the Brood plan for her using their evolutionary ray; they also are surprised to find Carol's mind is highly resistant to the examination, a byproduct of her Kree-human hybrid genes.

Rogue may have something of a similar resistance; however, given Rogue's genome is malleable & she has absorbed other aliens into herself, Rogue may not be as resistant to telepaths as she thinks with the "Ms. Marvel" personality gone from her psyche.

Ahhh but if your arguing that Ms Marvel is still attached to her DNA...then it doesnt matter if shes lost the psyche...the 'Kree-human hybrid genes' would remain and provide the same protection.

[Gnarl]

The adamantium poisoning takes place over a prolonged period of time. More than a few months I'd guess- judging from the story where the High Evolutionary devolved them.

Its worth noticing that when Rouge and Wolverine went to Genosha the first time, and Wipeout eliminated their powers, Logan got sick almost immediately. After a day, walking was an effort.

The physican examining them noted that his bone marrow didn't work right, and surmised his powers normally compensated.

[Mariah]

'Twas the 90's. Sometimes, we have to stretch our suspension of belief to absurd levels. ;)
It was in the 2000's when they confronted each other and it was resolved during the Maximum Security crossover. i know you dislike the 90's, but not all crap stories happened in them.