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The Lucky One

08-30-2006, 05:25 PM

No thread for this yet? Awesome... I appreciate you folks respecting my new "no posting during work hours" resolution and waiting for me to start the thread anyway. Cheers. :)

Aaaaanyway, we kick off with a flashback to South of Wales, 1347. As everyone remembers from the preview pages, an angry mob is attempting to take by force the son of one of their own, blaming the plague on him because he's intelligent and super-strong. His father refuses to give up his son (strongly hinted to be Tryp), so the villagers do what any reasonable, self-respecting mob would do in such a situation: burn his house down. The kid ("Tad") suddenly finds himself outside the village looking down on it, and meets Tryp, who has some cryptic comments about how this is just the beginning, which he at least has the decency to acknowledge as cliched.

We cut to modern-day Tryp, who finds that one of his employees, Henry Buchanan, called in sick. Buchanan, it turns out, is a scientist with Singularity Investigations who (we learn later in the issue) was developing a virus to kill mutants. Feeling guilty, he stole evidence, and now is having a breakdown... until he notices a Daily Bugle headline reporting X-Factor's stance against the Registration Act and sees in them the means to salvation.

Which brings us to Jamie, waking up from a monster hangover. He stumbles to the bathroom and encounters a wayward dupe created the night before... who gets reabsorbed right before we find out that after Jamie passed out, the dupe slept with Siryn, who thinks it was the "main" Jamie. As she heads into the bathroom, Monet approaches Jamie and thanks him for a wonderful evening as well, commenting "Now I know why they call you 'Multiple Man.'" Schwing!

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Now, for anyone who hasn't quite grasped the implications of this, let me just reiterate: Madrox slept with Siryn and M in the same night. Eff you, Cyclops... let's see you nail Jean and Emma while they're both still alive!

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Walking downstairs, Jamie encounters Layla, who reveals that she, at least, did not sleep with him last night... but only because she's saving herself for their wedding night. D'oh! Meanwhile, Guido encounters Buchanan, saves him from an assassin, and offers him sanctuary. The guy reveals the info about the virus, prompting Jamie to freak out on him for attempting to "recreate the Legacy Virus." (Excellent continuity nod from Peter David, finally touching on Jamie's long-ignored "death.") When he calms down, Jamie orders Strong Guy to escort Buchanan to the bank where he's keeping the evidence in a safe deposit box.

While this is going on, Rictor is visiting Quicksilver... supposedly "just because," but clearly because he's longing for his mutant powers. Rictor confronts Pietro about the fact that the powers he "restores" always seem to backfire somehow, and Pietro reveals how much he's truly out of his gourd: he now believes that mutants used to be something special, people to be admired for their rare gifts... but the increasing number made them ordinary, just another species. (Excellent meta-commentary by PAD there.) 'Silver believes that whoever's powers he restores will be "judged" by some nebulous unnamed source, and if they're "deserving," they'll get their actual powers back; otherwise, fatal consequences. Is Rictor willing to take the chance?

And in the final scene of the issue, we see Strong Guy and Buchanan on their way to the bank. Something really unexpected and surprising happens... I'd say on a par with the shock ending of issue 1, really. But since I got yelled at online by Peter David for posting spoilers to that one, I'll just leave this one a surprise for now... except to say that you really, really want to read this issue. ASAP.

Thoughts: dynamite issue. I'd love to hear from people who just picked up the Civil War tie-ins and decided to keep reading... is your interest continuing to be piqued? PAD really brought his A-game for this issue, plotting-wise... I dunno, the flashback was a little dull and cliched, but probably necessary, and the rest of the issue more than made up for it. M fans may still be left wishing for more action on her part... but then again, she got, *ahem*, multiple somethings last night, so that should be plenty of action. (And I may be giving PAD too much credit here, but the way the line is written- if you're normal, you'll probably interpret it one way; if you're really, really dirty, you may interpret it a whooole different way.)

Overall assessment, another awesome issue. It's great that Pietro continues to remain a part of the book, and that Jamie is continuing to get great character moments... love to see how he'll get his way out of this one. (Blame it on Evil Madrox, dude!)

Other thoughts?

-D

Beast

08-30-2006, 05:33 PM

Man, Monet really is slumming if she considered Jamie worthy of having sex with.

The Lucky One

08-30-2006, 05:38 PM

Beast

08-30-2006, 05:40 PM

It's Monet. Queen Bitch of the Universe. Jamie's beneath her.

The Lucky One

08-30-2006, 05:58 PM

Ah, but that's the beauty of our good friend alcohol -- in sufficient quantities, no one is beneath anyone.

-D

melodyrider

08-30-2006, 06:05 PM

I've been sitting on the fence with this title for a while. I think I might have to pick it up now.

fishtaco

08-30-2006, 06:11 PM

Madrox has been around for decades, and over these decades some very odd and controversial things have happened to a lot of characters, but I'm glad to hear in regards to that scene with Layla that Jamie isn't a pedophile...yet. :D

Mitsaso

08-30-2006, 06:23 PM

OH. MY. GOD!!!!!!!!:eek:
You guys won't believe this issue's ending. It's so simple and yet... so unexpected!!!:eek:

Also, the abrupt Jamie/Monet/Syrin love triangle (with Layla prominently wating on the corner) is hilarious!! I'm hoping that Layla means it when she says she and Jamie are gonna end up married, though! :D
Poor Jamie. Good luck handling both of these bombshells!!:p

stealthwise

08-30-2006, 06:23 PM

This issue was great. Superbly paced, great dialogue, and although the beginning dragged a bit, the rest of the issue gave us tons to think about and look forward to in the next issue, and really, that's what all comics should be giving us.

Zombienorthstar

08-30-2006, 06:27 PM

Cant someone just put it in spolier tags...i mean then if we read it its out own damn fault....Or PM me...if you wouldnt mind.

Madrox84

08-30-2006, 06:33 PM

Sounds like a good issue. Unfortunately i won't be getting a copy until Friday, darn bloody bank holidays.

Jack

08-30-2006, 06:55 PM

shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

Can't believe the issue that had me laughing so hard in the beginning went so horribly, horribly...

foxfire

08-30-2006, 06:57 PM

dotdotdot

08-30-2006, 07:04 PM

yeah, issue knocked it out of the park. uncanny is about to start looking like the weak link here, i'm afraid.....

Beast

08-30-2006, 07:10 PM

Havent read a comic with this many "Oh Sh!t" moments in a while :D

Soooooo... Pietro's just sitting there comfy in his own office? :rolleyes:. Wouldn't, I dont know, every superhero who knew about his role in HoM be after him? The Inhumans?
The X-Men tried, and the Avengers don't care. It's only effecting mutants, and as we've seen they frankly don't care about them at all. They're too busy beating each other senseless over Civil War.

Volk1

08-30-2006, 07:10 PM

Good issue BUT...

No one is just a little disturbed that Jamie actually was going to ask Layla if they had sex last night?
Yeah, they're going to get married supposedly, and if they did "it", it wouldn't have been Jamie Prime but a dupe, but still, asking a little girl that question? Threw me off for a little bit...

The other thing is M hooking up with Jamie dupe. Maybe she had too much to drink but I'm with Beast on this one. Jamie is not M material. With the little flirting we've seen with M/Rictor and with PAD saying that Julio and not Jamie was going to be the one in the middle of all the love triangles, I dunno...guess I feela little betrayed!

Please give Rictor his powers back Pietro! Julio is undoubtedly "judged deserving." Please...please....please.......

The Guido betrayal was a really good twist. Didn't see that one coming.

Overall, a great issue. Besides Julio not getting any lovin' and a very weird question to ask a little girl by Jamie IMO....this was a great issue and the series continues to rock...

Hi-Fi

08-30-2006, 07:11 PM

Fantastic issue!! Jamie has a problem now with Monet and Theresa. Hilarious!

And OH MY GOD the end!!! I was totally caught by surprise!!

d newton

08-30-2006, 07:16 PM

Okay, where was Wolfsbane in this issue? ;)

Peter David

08-30-2006, 07:16 PM

Hi-Fi

08-30-2006, 07:23 PM

PAD, is there a M-Jamie-Siryn triangle buiding or was that just a one-issue joke (the Monet and Jamie sleeping together part. I know that with Terry is serious)?

Volk1

08-30-2006, 07:25 PM

Obviously Jamie was intended to be horrified by the notion. Jamie has no desire to be a pedophile, but remember, he doesn't always know what his dupes are capable of. Note his quick, "Oh thank God" in response to Layla's "Of course not."

PAD

Wow..quick response. Thanks! I understand where you're coming from. Just didn't expect it I guess. I know that most times he has no control over his dupes or what they're capable of but I would sincerely hope that not even one of Jamie's lesser-than-good dupes (in actual extention of his psyche and mind) would even consider such a relationship.

If you're able to answer, did Jamie replace Julio as the sort of ladie's man of the group. I distinctly remember an interview where Julio was stated to be the one who surrounds hismelf with the ladies....

?

The Lucky One

08-30-2006, 07:27 PM

The other thing is M hooking up with Jamie dupe. Maybe she had too much to drink but I'm with Beast on this one. Jamie is not M material. With the little flirting we've seen with M/Rictor and with PAD saying that Julio and not Jamie was going to be the one in the middle of all the love triangles, I dunno...guess I feela little betrayed!

I guess I don't get the whole disbelief thing... prissy rich girls go slumming with "mere commoners" all the time, in real life and in comics. Hell, Emma Frost is sleeping with Cyclops, isn't she? And she's even more of a [female dog] than M is.

Aside from which, not a knock on Rictor, but how would he be any more M's type than Jamie?

-D

dotdotdot

08-30-2006, 07:28 PM

the dupes have different personalities (or different aspects of one personality), so what is all this talk about how fitting a match these characters are?
seems like an open and shut case to me, guys.

Volk1

08-30-2006, 07:32 PM

Aside from which, not a knock on Rictor, but how would he be any more M's type than Jamie?

-D

Because he saw her naked first!!!!!!:p

No, he's probably not at all either. But they were slightly flirting the past few issues...and, well I'm a Rictor fan so I want him to have some ladie fun too. Jamie's just lucky he can be in many places at different times...:p

....Although if I was Jamie I'd be mad that it wasn't actually him that hooked-up with Siryn and M. Is it my understanding that he still feels the emotional impact of it once he reabsorbs them? Or does he also feel the physical impact of it as well?

The Lucky One

08-30-2006, 07:33 PM

Wow..quick response. Thanks! I understand where you're coming from. Just didn't expect it I guess. I know that most times he has no control over his dupes or what they're capable of but I would sincerely hope that not even one of Jamie's lesser-than-good dupes (in actual extention of his psyche and mind) would conisder such a relationship.

Not to be crass, but a dupe who gets his kicks by shoving innocent guys off of buildings probably wouldn't think much of nailing an underage but still post-puberty girl.

Heck, nor would Roman Polanski, come to that. Or Edgar Allen Poe.

-D

Volk1

08-30-2006, 07:39 PM

Not to be crass, but a dupe who gets his kicks by shoving innocent guys off of buildings probably wouldn't think much of nailing an underage but still post-puberty girl.

Heck, nor would Roman Polanski, come to that. Or Edgar Allen Poe.

-D
Careful. Because you are implying that Jamie, somewhere deep, deep, deep in his mind, has that fascination.

Just saying, ya know, cause if you're a fan of his....

d newton

08-30-2006, 07:39 PM

Hello Peter - nice to hear you talk about this book. Any chance of an annual?

The Lucky One

08-30-2006, 07:40 PM

....Although if I was Jamie I'd be mad that it wasn't actually him that hooked-up with Siryn and M. Is it my understanding that he still feels the emotional impact of it once he reabsorbs them? Or does he also feel the physical impact of it as well?

The last time Madrox and Siryn were a couple, it turned out to actually be the renegade dupe that would later be known (unofficially) as Evil Madrox. During the X-Cutioner's Song, X-Factor helped to capture X-Force, and Siryn tried to get some emotional ground with the real Madrox by reminding him of their prior relationship. He told her that for him, it was like watching a romance at the movies -- lifelike, and there may even be some emotion attached to it, but there's not an actual personal connection or anything.

Now whether he was telling the truth about that... well, guess we'll find out.

-D

Gene M.

08-30-2006, 07:50 PM

Ah, but that's the beauty of our good friend alcohol -- in sufficient quantities, no one is beneath anyone.

-D

OR, everyone ends up beneath someone.:p

bossofbam

08-30-2006, 07:50 PM

There must be more to the ending than meets the eye. I refuse to believe its as black and white as it seems :(

Volk1

08-30-2006, 07:56 PM

The last time Madrox and Siryn were a couple, it turned out to actually be the renegade dupe that would later be known (unofficially) as Evil Madrox. During the X-Cutioner's Song, X-Factor helped to capture X-Force, and Siryn tried to get some emotional ground with the real Madrox by reminding him of their prior relationship. He told her that for him, it was like watching a romance at the movies -- lifelike, and there may even be some emotion attached to it, but there's not an actual personal connection or anything.

Now whether he was telling the truth about that... well, guess we'll find out.

-D

Hmmm....no wonder Jamie is as messed up as he is. Thanks for that. Now, I see why Jamie is so insecure. Not only because of this mind you, but I'm sure it's affecting him. Can't wait for that pscho-analysis issue. Maybe Jamie's gonna spill the beans there.......

There must be more to the ending than meets the eye. I refuse to believe its as black and white as it seems
You think Guido is still a good guy huh? You would think so after his long and good relationship with Jamie.

Just a really good twist and I'm not even going to guess where it's going to end up.....

Haunt

08-30-2006, 08:00 PM

i'm still confused as hell about Tryp. what is he, exactly? i'm guessing that he's not a mutant. does he only control wind? and where does Clay fit in?

xakko

08-30-2006, 08:01 PM

It's Monet. Queen Bitch of the Universe. Jamie's beneath her.
yes, but PAD did stress the beginning part of his codename... he can probably satisfy multiple points of interest at once, making for a rather satisfied young woman. Monet's smart enough to appreciate the possibilities

not to mention, with the advent of the multiple personalities aspect of his power in the limited series, he probably duped out a ultra-hip, ultra-smooth, Casanova on Viagara that met her standards.

as for the ending... holy crap! I did not see that coming.

streator

08-30-2006, 08:05 PM

Volk1

08-30-2006, 08:15 PM

well then.
i've still yet to read issue 9 but this sounds like one hell of an interesting issue.
martinez was on art, right?
i can't wait to see his rendition of the ending (if he did indeed pencil the whole issue).
Martinez only does the flash-back with Tryp. Some dude named Renato Arlem provides the art for the rest of the issue and I liked it. It still maintained that X-Factor noir-ish style.

Cayman

08-30-2006, 08:17 PM

That was a really good issue. I enjoy the work of both artists who worked on the title this week.

Cay

foxfire

08-30-2006, 08:47 PM

The X-Men tried, and the Avengers don't care. It's only effecting mutants, and as we've seen they frankly don't care about them at all. They're too busy beating each other senseless over Civil War.
Yeah the Civil War is probably most on everyone's minds :D. But I'm not talking about his current mutant messiah phase, but about his role in creating the House of M. Who's the only Avenger who's actually talked to Pietro since? Spidey did in Son of M, but what about Cap? Iron Man? Namor? etc. etc. You think if he's just sitting there in an office someone would come see him and knock his head off :D

lament

08-30-2006, 08:47 PM

Okay, I've read the issue, and here are my thoughts.

Jamie the Romeo: Oh, he is in so much trouble. :p So did the real Jamie sleep with one of them and the dupe sleep with the other? Or did the dupe just get around that night... I was kind of hoping to see Rictor get some action, but this could be interesting.

Layla: Whoever said they were weirded out by Jamie's interaction with her this issue, I agree. I mean, it was obviously to set up the joke about Layla saving herself for Jamie, but still.

Rictor/Pietro: As much as I want to see Ric get his powers back, I really hope he doesn't take Pietro up on his offer. In my opinion, not having powers does not hurt Ric as a character right now, and I don't want to see Pietro disfigure him or something.

Pietro: Wow, he's as mad as a hatter. :eek: Loved the way his tie was askew.

Buchanan: Jamie's response to Buchanan and the possibility of a virus was a nice touch. It really worked, was a welcome nod to continuity, and wasn't over-the-top.

Tryp: I actually need to read that part over. I've been sick all day and
only glancingly read it.

The Ending: I don't even know what to say. It was a definite "gotcha" ending, and it worked for me. I'll be curious to see what brought this about.

Overall: as always, a great read.

foxfire

08-30-2006, 08:48 PM

That was a really good issue. I enjoy the work of both artists who worked on the title this week.

Cay
Dude that's the best avatar ever :D:D

streator

08-30-2006, 08:58 PM

Martinez only does the flash-back with Tryp. Some dude named Renato Arlem provides the art for the rest of the issue and I liked it. It still maintained that X-Factor noir-ish style.
oh. bummer.
is calero back until issue 13 then (when raimondi takes over)?

Grizsly

08-30-2006, 09:06 PM

DAMN what an ending!!!!

David is in top bloody form on this one. I keep getting pleasantly reminded each month how good this book is.

I too believe there's just GOT to be more to the whole Guido thing than shown that last page.

Also, since it's become a new feature for Marvel to print letters pages (and thus then next issue blurbs) a few pages before the end - gotta love Peter's blurb - "DON'T STOP NOW!!! FINISH THE BOOK & THEN WE'LL TALK!" - I always can't help but glance at that friggin' next issue blurb EVERY DAMN TIME, and this one - well, it kept me going right to the crazy ending at breakneck speed!

Also, whoever mentioned Rahne - she did appear breifly after Buchannan and Guido meet with the rocketlauncher scene.

Anyway, a fine and big bloody A+ for X-Factor this month - KEEP IT COMING!!!

Omega Alpha

08-30-2006, 09:47 PM

It's Monet. Queen Bitch of the Universe. Jamie's beneath her.

Emma's is the Queen Bitch of the Universe, watch you mouth, mister:evilangry :D

And what the hell happened to Guido?

Cayman

08-30-2006, 09:56 PM

It's Monet. Queen Bitch of the Universe. Jamie's beneath her.

No, that was last night. :p

Cay

Alex A Sanchez

08-31-2006, 01:28 AM

oh. bummer.
is calero back until issue 13 then (when raimondi takes over?

I loved Renato Arlem's work in this issue- I would welcome him as the regular artist on the book. As far as I'm concerned, he's the only X-Factor/Madrox artist who can draw Layla Miller. Come to think of it, I think I even like him better than Raimondi.

Fortunately, I also like Raimondi's take on most of the characters. His Guido is ugly, but Guido is supposed to be ugly. Stroman's Strong Guy is pretty much the definitive look of the character, and Raimondi is the artist who has come closest to it (in recent years). Last of all, his Rictor looks distinctly different from Jamie, something that Sooks and Callero's Rictor didn't.

Alex A Sanchez

08-31-2006, 01:35 AM

A millionaire who owns his own business in New York, serves his common man, and can go all night with no rest whatsoever isn't worthy of having sex with?

Man, I want to meet your boyfriends, Beast...

-D

Don't forget Beast, just the day prior, Jamie verbally bitch-slapped legendary leader of the wold's foremost mutant group. That alone is enough to make the most stuck-up female mutant's panties wet. Haughty girls go for the alpha male- and Jamie pretty much proved himself to be just that (for a day, at least).

PAD implies that the verbal trouncing of Scott is the catalyst for the sexual-tension bomb between all involved parties- a time bomb which has subtlingly been ticking since issue one. Re-read the series, the Jamie/Monet tension has been there since the begining.

Alex A Sanchez

08-31-2006, 01:48 AM

Layla: Whoever said they were weirded out by Jamie's interaction with her this issue, I agree. I mean, it was obviously to set up the joke about Layla saving herself for Jamie,

It was the set up for the saving herself joke, and the payoff for the another joke: Jamie runs into three chicks that morning, as we meet each of the first two we discover that he slept with each. When he meets the third, the trend set with the first two women is disrupted: its the Priest, Rabbi, and Monk joke in a different format. Back when Rhane was stuck in wolf form, she could have easily been used for the payoff as well.

I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it- it was a gag; Jamie's not a pedophile.

Alex A Sanchez

08-31-2006, 02:01 AM

DAMN what an ending!!!!

Page 16, panel 4: I'm assuming this is because the mystery betrayer was corrupted since before issue #1. People afflicted by Trype's power may be invulnerable to Layla's power (similar to the way Pietro is less vulnerable to her power).

Even though PAD had been building to it all issue long, it still caught me open jawed!! I was reading the issue in my local comic shop at the same time the shop owner was reading it. (I always go to the back room to read my important issues before leaving so that I have someone to discuss the book with).

I reached the end first, and shouted out loud "OH MY GAWD!!", completely caught off guard. He was all "shut-up: don't say anything".

Mjolnir

08-31-2006, 04:50 AM

Dude that's the best avatar ever :D:D

i second that!!!

Mjolnir

08-31-2006, 04:52 AM

PAD...best issue to date, keep up the good work, and in reference to your letters page - you WILL be the best selling X-book one day.
so long as you keep creating them! do NOT stop, my life depends on it

Scipio72002

08-31-2006, 06:09 AM

I can't wait to pick this up, and for the other issues to come out. Guido is still on the team in issue 13, so who knows what will happen

TinMan

08-31-2006, 07:03 AM

I really love this book, its so different from every other X-book that its kind of a breathe of fresh air. It has a bunch of the mutant characters I love, but uses them in such a different way, X-Factor is pure gold.

I loved the stuff with M, Siryn and Layla, it was hilarious. I was completely blown away at the end though, I totally didn't see that coming! I'm just hoping there's more than meets the eye in this situation. I really enjoyed the art in this one too, both artists were great and I would honestly love to see the second artist (I can't remember his name, but if I'm not mistaken he penciled the recent Silver Surfer mini) become the permanent penciler, I really love his style. PAD has been excellent on this title and is definitely striking oil, keep it up man!!

Xanrn

08-31-2006, 08:12 AM

Sheesh so much fuss about a Joke.

Yes Jaime could produce a dupe that would sleep with Layla.

He could also produce a Dupe that could rape, kill for fun(which he already has), blow up buildings full of civilians for a cause.

Everyone single Human is capable of anything anyone else is. We're just kept inline with imposed Sets of Morals which have changed over the cause of time.

If you were raised in the Medieval period you would see nothing wrong with sleeping with young post-puberty girls. Nor would you see anything wrong with riding into an Enemy village and killing, raping and burning.

There are still parts of this world today where both is taught to be acceptable to children.

Given enough mental stress everyone will snap, Jaime simply doesn't need the stress, he can make a Dupe that comes from the maxminum security wing of his Brain at anytime.

Also when it comes to Layla, she is capable of some damm wierd things. Or did you forget the man she killed and then put in a box and had shipped back to Tryp or her attempt to make Pietro time warp infront of a Bus.

Heck the gag only worked because it was Layla/

blinkinrogue

08-31-2006, 08:25 AM

Hope they clear up whats with strong guy and y layla didnt know about him very intriguing indeed. sure money is not the prime factor y strong guy did wat he did.

Alex A Sanchez

08-31-2006, 09:57 AM

Hope they clear up whats with strong guy and y layla didnt know about him very intriguing indeed. sure money is not the prime factor y strong guy did wat he did.

The thing is, the first thing Guido did afterwards was make a trademark Guido quip. This strongly suggests that he was not under mind control, if he retained his personality. Although, a members of X-Factor has been kidnapped and replace with a decoy before (Val Cooper), who is to say. We have been saying Guido hasn't quite been himself ever since the series started- he's more violent and angry than usual.

Affinity

08-31-2006, 10:02 AM

I liked this issue. a lot.

rilokyle

08-31-2006, 01:06 PM

I just read this issue. And thank goodness that I was able to buy it to- there was only one copy left at my store. What an amazing issue. X-Factor continues to impress me- just when I think it couldn't possible be any funnier, or take any more twists, Peter David keeps pleasantly suprising me.

The Theresa/Jamie/Monet lovefest was hilarious. I was cracking up with Monet's soon-to-be-classic line, "Now I know why they call you 'Multiple Man'". Go Jamie! I can't wait to see where all this leads to. A love triangle that Jamie doesn't even recall? Priceless. And the Layla stuff was cute too. I love the faces Jamie makes.

Oh, and that ending? WOAH. I did not see that one coming. Mind-control, maybe? I'm on the edge of my seat for the next issue now!

A++ issue.

The Shadow

08-31-2006, 01:09 PM

Can't believe the issue that had me laughing so hard in the beginning went so horribly, horribly...
Agreed and that's why I think it's the best X book today!

Great issue!

Kyriv

08-31-2006, 01:12 PM

This was one of the best comic books I have ever read, period. Definitely did NOT see the ending coming! Brilliant, simply brilliant! After reading X-Men #190 yesterday and X-Factor #10 today, I am so glad I decided to start reading comic books again. Thank you Mr. David!

rilokyle

08-31-2006, 01:21 PM

Hmmmm, now the only question I want to know is......... did the real Jamie sleep with anyone? Or did that dupe hook up with both Monet and Theresa? Even still, isn't sleeping with the dupe, still technically like sleeping with the real Jamie? I can see how this could get confusing. Inquiring minds want to know! ;)

Weapon Ick

08-31-2006, 04:08 PM

My god this was an amazing issue. I don't even know where to begin.

"Now I know why they call you multiple man" What a great line!

I actually thought Jamie's exchange with Layla was kinda hot but maybe that's just cause I read the issue right after watching Leon: The Professional. It is entirely possible that Jamie could produce a pedophile dupe or at least worry about the possibility of creating one right? It's my understanding that his dupes reflect facets of his personality that he might not even be aware of.

And as for Monet being out of Jamie's league, well it's been suggested several times on these boards that Multiple Man is the most capable and powerful mutant in MU. He has more life expirience and skills and knowledge than any other mutant. His only fault really, was not being decisive and he overcame that a bit in the last issue. If Monet is really as smart as she says she is she can definitely see Jamie's potential and regard him as a worthy bedmate. Monet believes she deserves the best and can you think of any other mutant who could have more skill in bed than Jamie? For all we know, he could have sent a dupe to India for a few years to do some heavy tantric training and when he got reabsorbed, Multiple Man now has the entire Kama Sutra memorized.

And does anyone have any theories as to why Layla's powers get fuzzy when it comes to Strong Guy? Layla's powers don't work so well against Quicksilver because of his relation to the Scarlet Witch. But is there anything in Guido's history that might explain his immunity to Layla's powers? Before this series, the last time I saw Strong Guy he had just had a heart attack right as the entire universe turned in to crystal. That was ten years ago. What's he been doing since then?

My apologies for the long post. I have to say though, I haven't been this impressed by a single issue of a comic for a long time. I am very satisfied from reading it.

The Lucky One

08-31-2006, 04:20 PM

And does anyone have any theories as to why Layla's powers get fuzzy when it comes to Strong Guy? Layla's powers don't work so well against Quicksilver because of his relation to the Scarlet Witch. But is there anything in Guido's history that might explain his immunity to Layla's powers? Before this series, the last time I saw Strong Guy he had just had a heart attack right as the entire universe turned in to crystal. That was ten years ago. What's he been doing since then?

Very, very little. When he awoke from his heart attack coma, he didn't want anything to do with what X-Factor had become (much like the fans), so he went back to serving as Lila Cheney's bodyguard/sometime lover. There was a fun little Halloween issue of X-Men Unlimited with him, Madrox, Wolfsbane, and Beast, where he returned to Earth to warn them about an impending alien invasion one of Lila's roadies told him about (turned out the guy had just picked up the old Orson Welles "War of the Worlds" broadcast... heh). Then he did... nothing. Lila eventually got back together with Cannonball, and Guido was next seen in the MadroX miniseries that immediately preceded X-Factor, telling Rahne he "didn't want to talk about" him and Lila. Lousy farmboys. And now he's in this book.

I'm wondering if it has something to do with Tryp and the theory that he may actually be another version of Jamie himself. If Tryp is a future Madrox or rogue dupe or something, it would make more sense that he could have recruited Guido to his side, and/or that he would have a future or alternate version of Guido around who could replace the "real" one in X-Factor. Time will tell, I guess.

-D

Mr. Jip

08-31-2006, 04:27 PM

Oh
Em
Eff
Gee
I OFFICIALLY HAVE A CRUSH ON JAIME MADROX~~!!!!!~~~
~~!!!!!!~~~

i think Multiple Man slept with Terry.
And Multiple Men gave Monet multiple orgasms.
That's the only way he could have satisfied Teen Queen Bitch.

BRILLIANT ISSUE!!!!!!!!!!!

rilokyle

08-31-2006, 04:36 PM

Yeah, I'm not going to lie. I definitely have a crush on Jamie too. What a stud! ;)

Mr. Jip

08-31-2006, 05:19 PM

Try saying this multiple times:

Multiple Man & Multiple Men gave M multiple orgasms!

:rolleyes: ;) :cool:

evilheroics

08-31-2006, 05:41 PM

man, i must say this was a great issue.

strongest of the week so far.

i liked the whole "dead man walking" scene...perfect.
and what happened in between scenes of monet and siryn...didnt they figure it out?

Weapon Ick

08-31-2006, 06:44 PM

As we've learned from Astonishing X-Men, Kitty Pride has trouble controlling her powers as she is coupling in the biblical way because in one issue she fell naked through the ceiling whilst recieving carnal pleasure from Colossus. So now, after reading this issue, I have to wonder if Syrin is more skilled as a mutant since she obviously had a great time in bed with Jamie and yet she managed not to scream the roof off the place as a result.

Also the question arises: when engaged in lustful relations with Multiple Man are dupes inadvertently produced during the act? I restrain myself from getting to graphic here, but since Jamie's powers are activated when he recieves a kinetic impact I would venture to say that if one were lucky enough to find themselves flesh wrestling with Maddrox it would, no doubt, turn in to an orgy within a matter of minutes. After all, it is impossible to bump uglies without some amount of bumping, yes?

CE_Rap

08-31-2006, 08:16 PM

That scene was freakin' hilarious. I expected Theresa, but M!?! Holy hell--did they get wasted! ***actually, just as i typed that, i don't recall them saying that the girls drank too. SO either the "Hef" Dupe was the mackedist-mackity-mack daddy, so much so that even M was like "$#!%, this is hot!" --or-- deep down, she....finds him attractive.

I'm left wondering if Monet will care much after this issue. No doubt sh eenjoyed herself, i get that, but she seems like the type that won't fall for him. As in "that was great. MAybe if your lucky we'll do it again some time."

I just hope she doesn't become attracted to him on a serious level. THat would kill it for me. I prefer having her character be complex and air on the side of bitch queen--the way she was meant to be. She doesn't need to be bogged down seriously.

If anything, I think Theresa would "consider" a serious settle down, as she might actually really like Jamie. M, by contrast, would see JAmie as an occasional F#@$ friend who's a nice guy.

nuthin' wrong wit' dat!;) :D

rilokyle

08-31-2006, 08:54 PM

Yeah, I was liked "holy cow" when Theresa revealed her tryst with Jamie, but when I turned that page and saw Monet, I almost fell off my couch with shock. That scene was too funny for words. Acutally, I take that back. The words that were said were amazingly hilarious.

And yeah, I'm interested to see how this all unfolds. PAD mentioned in the letters page that issue #13 will see a lot of insight into Monet's psyche, courtsey of Dr. Samson, so that should be interesting. :)

streator

08-31-2006, 10:18 PM

Very, very little. When he awoke from his heart attack coma, he didn't want anything to do with what X-Factor had become (much like the fans), so he went back to serving as Lila Cheney's bodyguard/sometime lover. There was a fun little Halloween issue of X-Men Unlimited with him, Madrox, Wolfsbane, and Beast, where he returned to Earth to warn them about an impending alien invasion one of Lila's roadies told him about (turned out the guy had just picked up the old Orson Welles "War of the Worlds" broadcast... heh). Then he did... nothing. Lila eventually got back together with Cannonball, and Guido was next seen in the MadroX miniseries that immediately preceded X-Factor, telling Rahne he "didn't want to talk about" him and Lila. Lousy farmboys. And now he's in this book.-D

he was in xxm, the arena arc prior to the madrox mini-series.

The Lucky One

08-31-2006, 10:49 PM

he was in xxm, the arena arc prior to the madrox mini-series.

Oh yeah, forgot about that... probably because (much as I love him), Claremont regressed Guido back to the stupid, monosyllabic troglodyte he originally was, and I'm not really down with that.

-D

steve2275

09-01-2006, 12:09 AM

um didnt hurt

ReaderX

09-01-2006, 12:29 AM

From the cover and the first few pages, in the year 1347, my opening thoughts are that the Shadow King is somehow getting involved in the affairs of X-Factor. This would give Layla a formidable nemesis for sure, and the ending would almost have to be the result of some form of mind control. Remember, SK was looking over Destiny's shoulder when she scribed her prediction of hundreds of mutant deaths.

Beast

09-01-2006, 12:31 AM

From the cover and the first few pages, in the year 1347, my opening thoughts are that the Shadow King is somehow getting involved in the affairs of X-Factor. This would give Layla a formidable nemesis for sure, and the ending would almost have to be the result of some form of mind control.
It's not the Shadow King. He was just in New Excalibur, and will most likely be the baddy for Exiles.

Alex A Sanchez

09-01-2006, 04:16 AM

Oh yeah, forgot about that... probably because (much as I love him), Claremont regressed Guido back to the stupid, monosyllabic troglodyte he originally was, and I'm not really down with that.

-D

You also forgot about the Strong Guy one-shot (yes, Guido had his own book for a month!). It was written by Todd DeZago (whos dumbed down oafish Guido I also detest) and drawn by Andy Smith. They try to give Strong Guy a costume while he fights baddies space, but I have never seen the costume since.

DDM

09-01-2006, 09:05 AM

X-Factor is one of my favorite comics. Jamie Madrox is unpredictable even to the point he cannot control his dupes which I think leads to the main storyline, Singularity Investigations. Mr. Tryp (sp?) & his "son" are Jamie Madrox dupes! Therefore, Jamie is really fighting another aspect of himself.

The opening sequence when Jamie's other dupes slept with Siryn & M is fun & unexpected. I'm just glad Rhane did not sleep with Jamie.

I'm a little confused with the opening set in the 14th Century.

10/10

stealthwise

09-01-2006, 09:16 AM

CE_Rap

09-01-2006, 09:34 AM

DDM

09-01-2006, 09:46 AM

It's possible that Jamie himself is a dupe. Maybe after a certain point, a Dupe starts to regain pieces of its other persona until it becomes whole. That, in a way, is an extended lease on life.

Or maybe everytime he makes a dupe, he slows down his aging by some tiny portion. Since he multiplies so much, it adds up to years of time.

Nope. Jamie's mutant powers allows him to make unlimited duplicates, but the primary Jamie is the only Jamie Madrox. Jamie may lose control over his dupes, but they are still dupes.

CE_Rap

09-01-2006, 09:49 AM

Mitsaso

09-01-2006, 10:10 AM

I'm so jealous of M right now...:( :evilangry

Zombienorthstar

09-01-2006, 11:08 AM

I just hope she doesn't become attracted to him on a serious level. THat would kill it for me. I prefer having her character be complex and air on the side of bitch queen--the way she was meant to be. She doesn't need to be bogged down seriously.
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A serious relationship with Jamie doesnt mean bogged down. The bitchy girl/funny guy relationship can work, i point you towards Xander/Cordelia or Xander/Anya in Buffy.

With the bitchy girl being bitchy and he always having to be embarassed by her, apologising for her inappropriateness...

Alex A Sanchez

09-01-2006, 12:01 PM

X-Factor Mr. Tryp (sp?) & his "son" are Jamie Madrox dupes!

Its already been revealed the Tryp had something to do with the death of Jamie's parents (supposedly he caused it). The story won't really work if Tryp is Jamie- especially since he talks about Jamie as a different person.

CE_Rap

09-01-2006, 12:02 PM

A serious relationship with Jamie doesnt mean bogged down. The bitchy girl/funny guy relationship can work, i point you towards Xander/Cordelia or Xander/Anya in Buffy.

With the bitchy girl being bitchy and he always having to be embarassed by her, apologising for her inappropriateness...

yea, but i'll believe she sees him as a *bone* before i believe she really likes him. She migh even think he's cute or something, but i just can't see it being more.

that's just me

Mjolnir

09-01-2006, 12:03 PM

may this series forvever bring us joy and may PAD and his assorted artists become gods

Affinity

09-01-2006, 12:57 PM

The entire Tryp thing confuses me.

lament

09-01-2006, 01:17 PM

I'm so jealous of M right now...:( :evilangry

I'm jealous of M, Siryn, and Madrox. :D

The Lucky One

09-01-2006, 03:47 PM

Nope. Jamie's mutant powers allows him to make unlimited duplicates, but the primary Jamie is the only Jamie Madrox. Jamie may lose control over his dupes, but they are still dupes.

Sometimes that's true, sometimes not. When Peter David or Chris Claremont is writing him, that's generally the case. Other writers, like Howard Mackie and whoever wrote Fallen Angels, have implied that every Jamie created is just as "main" as any other. Naturally, just in terms of quality, I tend to err toward the interpretations espoused by messrs. David and Claremont, but there's room for debate on the matter, and it's possible that PAD is planning to do something regarding that. We know that:

-Tryp and Tryp Jr. are the same guy, and supposedly not a mutant.
-Jamie usually shows up as a mutant on Cerebro; once he even showed up as two different mutants.
-Tryp claims he had something to do with the death of Jamie's parents. We were originally told they died in a tornado; but if Jamie was mistaken about that, it calls into question the rest of his origin.
-Clay, the assassin in the MadroX mini, also had the ability to create duplicates of himself, and claimed Jamie knew nothing about his true origins.

-D

fishtaco

09-01-2006, 04:36 PM

Sometimes that's true, sometimes not. When Peter David or Chris Claremont is writing him, that's generally the case. Other writers, like Howard Mackie and whoever wrote Fallen Angels, have implied that every Jamie created is just as "main" as any other. Naturally, just in terms of quality, I tend to err toward the interpretations espoused by messrs. David and Claremont, but there's room for debate on the matter, and it's possible that PAD is planning to do something regarding that. We know that:

-Tryp and Tryp Jr. are the same guy, and supposedly not a mutant.
-Jamie usually shows up as a mutant on Cerebro; once he even showed up as two different mutants.
-Tryp claims he had something to do with the death of Jamie's parents. We were originally told they died in a tornado; but if Jamie was mistaken about that, it calls into question the rest of his origin.
-Clay, the assassin in the MadroX mini, also had the ability to create duplicates of himself, and claimed Jamie knew nothing about his true origins.

-DThe problem with the explanation of Jamie's dupes being just as much him as the prime Jamie is that his dupes have never been able to reabsorb other duplicates, unless if they were the ones the dupes created themselves. This makes me wonder if Jamie's dupes can reabsorb Jamie prime.

Haunt

09-01-2006, 05:00 PM

The problem with the explanation of Jamie's dupes being just as much him as the prime Jamie is that his dupes have never been able to reabsorb other duplicates, unless if they were the ones the dupes created themselves. This makes me wonder if Jamie's dupes can reabsorb Jamie prime.

that evil dupe from PAD's first X-Factor run was able to absorb Jamie-Prime. Jamie burst out of him later though.

Doom Hammer

09-01-2006, 05:08 PM

Da fug! What was going on with Jamie? He forgets his night, which is understandable, but his eyes are changing color from panel to panel, his font is changing...what? And the twist ending...let me just say again, da fug?!

Vegetarian Goat

09-01-2006, 05:42 PM

This was SUCH an awesome issue. I think i'd cry rivers of praise if they kept this artist.

Alex A Sanchez

09-01-2006, 07:05 PM

This was SUCH an awesome issue. I think i'd cry rivers of praise if they kept this artist.

I'm suprised more people haven't been raving about how good the art was (I guess that's a testament to how good the story was). After rereading the issue a couple of times, I'm pretty sure this will rank as one of the best issues of X-Factor ever.

Every member of X-Factor just looked "right". They were consistently drawn, there was mood and attitude in the pages. I think I like this look even better than Sook's.

rilokyle

09-01-2006, 08:31 PM

This was SUCH an awesome issue. I think i'd cry rivers of praise if they kept this artist.
Actually, I believe the main penciller of this issue will be pencilling issue #12, while the flashback artist is doing issue #11. So that is good news. :)

steve2275

09-01-2006, 08:40 PM

You also forgot about the Strong Guy one-shot (yes, Guido had his own book for a month!). It was written by Todd DeZago (whos dumbed down oafish Guido I also detest) and drawn by Andy Smith. They try to give Strong Guy a costume while he fights baddies space, but I have never seen the costume since.
damn good art

The Lucky One

09-01-2006, 09:38 PM

The problem with the explanation of Jamie's dupes being just as much him as the prime Jamie is that his dupes have never been able to reabsorb other duplicates, unless if they were the ones the dupes created themselves.

...what makes you say that? As far as I can recall, there's never been an instance where a dupe was shown as unable to reabsorb another dupe; sounds like you're just speculating.

And as Haunt pointed out, Evil Madrox absorbed Jamie in X-Factor #73 or 74.

-D

Lanowar

09-02-2006, 02:35 AM

Pyro

09-02-2006, 02:57 AM

It's Monet. Queen Bitch of the Universe. Jamie's beneath her.
I thought that title belonged to Emma Frost... And I can't say that I've read it, but I can't imagine how Generation X handled the both of them.

Anyway, I really enjoyed the issue and the art. I'm glad Martinez didn't do much of the art, I don't really like his style, although it worked for the flashback pages. I liked Arlem's work and am glad he was chosen if Calero couldn't do it who was chosen when Sook couldn't do it. I have the say, the only art in X-factor I didn't think was so good was Olivetti's in issue 7.

The surprise ending was perfect. It really was a shock and even though it turned out to be who I least expected, so I guess in turn I should have expected it. I liked how a Mr. C was reffered to and that just before he is revealed we are reminded of whose last name starts with a C. I wonder what implications this will have on the previous issues. Also, is it just me, or was anyone else completely shocked that he killed the guy? I don't expect my heroes to be ok with killing. Has he ever been shown to be that violent before?

Bobster777

09-02-2006, 07:01 AM

Another great issue X-Factor is cool and funny I liked the responce to the Legacy Virus it was very human of Jamie to react in that way. The triangle thing was funny as well espically the layla bit just off the chair funny.

Quicksilver now has his own office? Since when?

I'm still hoping Deadpool will appear at some point in the future be intresting to see him meet Layla...
I'm right there with you about Deadpool. Bring Deadpool on in every book. He should be the next Wolverine (in terms of comic book appearances).

Good issue. I'm still hating Quicksilver though.

Iceman

09-02-2006, 09:39 AM

And as Haunt pointed out, Evil Madrox absorbed Jamie in X-Factor #73 or 74.
Yes, but that was only possible ´cause of Steven Shaffran´s ricochet powers.

Doom Hammer

09-02-2006, 10:18 AM

Uncle Nobs

09-02-2006, 01:58 PM

***************

Now, for anyone who hasn't quite grasped the implications of this, let me just reiterate: Madrox slept with Siryn and M in the same night. Eff you, Cyclops... let's see you nail Jean and Emma while they're both still alive!

***************
Not just that, but Monet gave him credit for multiple orgasms. Hers? His?

The mind boggles.

Uncle Nobs

09-02-2006, 02:00 PM

Oh Guido... Say it ain't so!

stealthwise

09-02-2006, 02:00 PM

Pyro

09-02-2006, 03:59 PM

Pietro: Wow, he's as mad as a hatter. :eek: Loved the way his tie was askew.
What tie? I didn't see one. It looks to me like he's wearing his costume under a trenchcoat. Maybe what you was the line of his lightning bolt thing... Sorry if I'm being anal. I just thought it would be really funny if he was wearing an off-kilter tie.

X-Factor

09-02-2006, 04:11 PM

I really like Renato Arlem. His art reminds me of Maleev's work on his earliest issues of Daredevil. Let's hope he experiences as much success -- and growth, even -- as that fantastic artist has.

I liked him on Silver Surfer, too.

As do I. I would love for him to replace Cassaday on Astonishing or even Ryan on Excalibur (should the writing ever reach his level of penciling).

The Lucky One

09-02-2006, 04:25 PM

I wouldn't take anything that Mackie wrote to heart. He couldn't even remember his own continuity from issue to issue.

That's generally my approach as well -- it's why Gambit wasn't present at the Mutant Massacre, for instance -- but some people still believe Polaris to be Magneto's daughter, so it's not a perfect system.

-D

Volk1

09-03-2006, 12:03 AM

If you were raised in the Medieval period you would see nothing wrong with sleeping with young post-puberty girls. Nor would you see anything wrong with riding into an Enemy village and killing, raping and burning.
Dude. Look out the window. You see those things passing by? They're called AUTOMOBILES. We're in the 21st century my man.

There are still parts of this world today where both is taught to be acceptable to children.Thank the heavens I don't live anywhere near wherever those parts are.

cole2099

09-03-2006, 02:16 AM

what happens when the tow girls fing out about the other ?

lydia what do we know about her? she was making a joke based on something she seid sometime ago , we dont know why she is around
x factor ,(do we know why she helped in HOM)I hope they don't make why she is here clear too soon

Arilou

09-03-2006, 05:33 AM

-Tryp claims he had something to do with the death of Jamie's parents. We were originally told they died in a tornado; but if Jamie was mistaken about that, it calls into question the rest of his origin.

Was that Wind Powers in the 14th century?...

Cthulhudrew

09-03-2006, 08:22 AM

Quicksilver now has his own office? Since when?

Since last issue, when he was meeting with a realtor when the X-Men showed up.

On another note, I didn't see anything here (unless I missed it), but it occurs to me that Tryp was wearing his modern suit and tie when he spoke with the child in 1347. I'm guessing he's some sort of time traveler rather than a dupe. Or else he has some sort of temporal awareness ability and can communicate and interact with future and past incarnations of himself, or else his ancestors and descendants. Having access to the knowledge of his relatives throughout time would certainly make him an investigative equal of Madrox with his dupes.

Sentinel K

09-03-2006, 08:27 AM

Forseti

09-04-2006, 05:49 AM

Since last issue, when he was meeting with a realtor when the X-Men showed up.

On another note, I didn't see anything here (unless I missed it), but it occurs to me that Tryp was wearing his modern suit and tie when he spoke with the child in 1347. I'm guessing he's some sort of time traveler rather than a dupe. Or else he has some sort of temporal awareness ability and can communicate and interact with future and past incarnations of himself, or else his ancestors and descendants. Having access to the knowledge of his relatives throughout time would certainly make him an investigative equal of Madrox with his dupes.
I have a Tryp theory of my own. I think Tryp is some kind of time-based Multiple Man. Tryp Senior, Damien Tryp, the old bearded guy in the first few issues, the little boy Dai (Dai Tryp? Daytrip?), I think they're all one and the same person.

Sentinel K

09-04-2006, 06:27 AM

I have a Tryp theory of my own. I think Tryp is some kind of time-based Multiple Man. Tryp Senior, Damien Tryp, the old bearded guy in the first few issues, the little boy Dai (Dai Tryp? Daytrip?), I think they're all one and the same person.

Maybe Dai is short for Damien?

I need to read all my issues again I think.

Forseti

09-04-2006, 06:29 AM

Maybe Dai is short for Damien?
That's what I thought. It's what set me off on forming my mad theory. :)

Sentinel K

09-04-2006, 06:33 AM

That's what I thought. It's what set me off on forming my mad theory. :)

Daytrip.

Yeah I like that. You might be on to something.

At first I thought Dai was probably pronounced 'Die' but shortening Damien and spelling it 'Day' would be a bit weird.

Zombienorthstar

09-04-2006, 07:33 AM

Perhaps Jamie is his son...not a dupe...

Alistair

09-04-2006, 07:39 AM

Daytrip.

Yeah I like that. You might be on to something.

At first I thought Dai was probably pronounced 'Die' but shortening Damien and spelling it 'Day' would be a bit weird.

Dai is indeed pronounced 'Die', and is a reasonably common Welsh name. I don't think it's short for Damien in this instance.

Rich L

09-05-2006, 08:18 AM

Fantastic issue. The ending came out of left field, and the Siryn - Madrox -Monet stuff was great.

I'm also intrigued about Tryp - more than ever as it seems clear now he's not a rogue dupe.

I'm kind of rooting for Monet-Jamie since the old X-Force fan in me would rather see Theresa hook up with Warpath.

Alex A Sanchez

09-05-2006, 02:20 PM

I think Tryp is some kind of time-based MI think they're all one and the same person.

this was pretty much established in issue #8 when Jamie had Tryp and Tryp Jr.'s DNA analyzed.

Alex A Sanchez

09-05-2006, 02:28 PM

Was that Wind Powers in the 14th century?...

That's brilliant, I can't believe I nevver put two and two together like that.

And as Haunt pointed out, Evil Madrox absorbed Jamie in X-Factor #73 or 74.

It was #75. If you are going act like such a Jamie-know-it-all all of the time, I'm going to hold you to your facts.:cool:

Forseti

09-05-2006, 02:46 PM

this was pretty much established in issue #8 when Jamie had Tryp and Tryp Jr.'s DNA analyzed.
Hardly. Based solely on the info in #8 they might be clones, and #8 surely doesn't establish anything about the other 2 characters I also suspect of being one and the same Tryp. :)

Unless there's a huge hole in my memory, we don't see Tryp using time travel powers until #10, where he seems to displace the boy Dai to a time before he burned down the village, in addition to projecting himself 659 years into the past. (Or maybe Dai did it himself, no way to tell. Yet.)

Destro777

09-05-2006, 11:13 PM

Great issue. Hilarious to read. One of my favorite parts of Xfactor (that I dont see anyone mentioning) is the Last issue's summary page! Man that is some funny shit in there! And the way PD mentions his daughter all the time...funny stuff. It starts it off saying "Hey, this is gonna be a fun read".

Dermie

09-05-2006, 11:31 PM

Nstar83

09-05-2006, 11:55 PM

With the whole dupe sleeping with Siryn and Monet thing--was I the only person here who kept waiting for Rictor to come out of his room and reveal that he had also slept with Jamie the night before? After all, the MADROX mini hinted that Jamie has at least one gay or bisexual dupe out there, and readers have had their suspicions about Rictor for quite a while now....

I was glad to see Pietro again--I hope he remains as a recurring character within the book.

I don't Know about Jamie still not up on alot of back contunity , at least i will admit my knowledge is lacking.Rictor on the other hand, wasn't there a big fuss for years over the whole relationship between him an "SHATTYBUNNS"as tabby would say.I thought in an issue way back there more then friendly relationship was even hinted at by other chars.No I am not a slash freak looking for fantasy but it seemed like it was still some what on the same track of the thread.

Alex A Sanchez

09-06-2006, 10:46 PM

I'm not certain at all about anything that happened in X-Force (since I've only read a handful of issues), but people have talked a lot on this board about the potential relationship between Shatterstar and Rictor. They also have discussed how it was not certain, and that the issue remains in the air (like Bobby Drake's sexuality).

Regarding Jamie's gay dupe, he for certain had a dupe that manifested as such in the Maddrox mini-series (which as many on this board will attest, is highly recommended reading). No other mention of the gay dupe has occured before this series.

DjMichael691

09-07-2006, 06:18 AM

Great issue. I was not too suprised by Guido, because he did the same thing in AoA (Gambit and the Xternals). He turned against his team out of hatred of Gambit (Gambit was with Lila Cheney).

So, since we know that Layla's powers don't work well with Pietro, i think it is safe to assume that "this" Guido has been involved with time travel.
Maybe Tryp showed him something, thus creating a form of "hatred" (or persuasion) making him turn against X-Factor.
oh yeh, and we don't know what happened with Him and Lila Cheney. Maybe Tryp was involved.

I thought the whole Legacy Virus thing was brilliant. I remember reading X-Factor 100 and felt so sad when Jamie did (Great Writing). This was great continuity.

But this also made me realize that in order for Stryfe to bring the virus into the past, it has to be created in the future. (Maybe, Trype equals Stryfe equals Legacy Virus)

But all in all brilliant brilliant writing and drawing.