Cable & Deadpool #31 *spoilers*

[Jack Zodiac]

Awesome issue. I love Fabian's writing, and even with a crazy idea like teaming up two rivals he's done an awesome job of creating some great dynamics between their characters. This issue, and the next one, is the penultimate example.

Wade beats the ever-loving hell out of some of the resistance members. He takes out Hercules with Goliath, shoots down Falcon, sweeps Iron Fist posing as Daredevil, and then prepares to face down Captain America for the first time in years. After some distracting banter, Cable shows up and uses his gravimetric shield to make Wade put a dozen tranq darts in his own face. :p Then they roll him up in tons of duct tape and leave him in their base to go into battle, which takes place in the last issue of Civil War.

Cable returns alone saying that one of the members died, killed by Thor, which we'll see who and how in the next issue of Civil War (God, I hope it's Hercules and not Goliath!). He unties Deadpool and bodyslides them into the Oval Office so Nathan can confront Bush personally about the Act. While Wade's takin' a leak, he brings up the "Fifty State Initiative" in front of the President, something that hasn't been made public yet. In the future, every state is supposed to have a superhuman police force to enforce its laws, which leads to a police state, which could eventually mirror the "Days of Future Past" scenario. He tells the President to rethink his position before he dooms our country, and eventually the planet itself, through his actions (heavy, heavy metaphor there, Fabian ;)). Of course, the secret service attack Cable, who he puts down easily, just before Wade gets back from the john, at which point Bush orders him, as a federal agent, to attack Cable.

Next month, we get to see it. Two friendly enemies divided by this issue going at it one more time. :D Great issue.

I also want to hump Nicieza's leg after this week's issue of Action Comics. :)

[Markavian]

Pym is in the upcoming Ant Man Series as a SHEILD Scientist .:)

[Aztec Ace]

So Thor returns and the first thing he does is kill a fellow hero. Great. Just Great........:(

[Cayman]

I'm almost certain it's Goliath.

First, there is that "biggest character" comment.

Plus, look at all the characters on the cover of the Cap America that was just solicited. Goliath's absence appears conspicuous to me.

Cay

[MarcSpector13]

Just read Cable/Deadpool 31 and it seems like our friend Hercules took a bad hit. After the Secret avengers fought Deadpool Cable came back to tell him that Thor killed off a member. Now if any of you read X books youll see Hercules in Civil War X-men 2. So my thought is What gives? who died?

Pym could be the one who dies because he is not in Iron Mans new Avengers post civil war and the Goliath one might be rite since he is seen nowhere after Civil war 3 in ASM or FF

Pym is in the upcoming Ant Man Series as a SHEILD Scientist .:)

So could he be this new Ant-Man?

[Haunt]

So Thor returns and the first thing he does is kill a fellow hero. Great. Just Great........:(


maybe he's been brought back as the Sentry's new archenemy. there was some rumour about Sentry making an enemy during Civil War.

[Joe Acro]

I'm almost certain it's Goliath.

First, there is that "biggest character" comment.

Plus, look at all the characters on the cover of the Cap America that was just solicited. Goliath's absence appears conspicuous to me.

But why would they bring back a character after years of disuse just to kill him in Civil War?

[drwho]

Everytime someone brings up the Sentry it makes me remember he is on the Avengers if noone mentioned it I would forget. Maybe Thor decides to commit hari kari cus he just cant choose which side to be on.:p

[Captain Exaggeration]

I'd laugh my ass off if Sentry was to die in #4. :D

[SnakeEater]

But why would they bring back a character after years of disuse just to kill him in Civil War?

I guess it was because he wasnt used. And they couldnty think of ideas.

[Cayman]

But why would they bring back a character after years of disuse just to kill him in Civil War?

So they'd have a character they could kill.

Millar is after all the guy who killed Northstar.

Cay

[Markavian]

So could he be this new Ant-Man?Not sure who will be the new Ant Man dude.

[Cayman]

I think they've already named the new Ant-Man's civilian identity. Seems like it's Rory something or other. I remember reading it in one of the interviews Kirkman did for CBR or Newsarama.

Cay

[Haunt]

I think they've already named the new Ant-Man's civilian identity. Seems like it's Rory something or other. I remember reading it in one of the interviews Kirkman did for CBR or Newsarama.

Cay

"Rory?" Lol. that's kind of an odd name to pull out of nowhere, huh? the new Ant-Men are Chris McCarthy and Eric O'Grady; two low-level SHIELD agents. :)

[Doom Hammer]

This was a good issue, Cable's take on Civil War is very refereshing. I wonder if he really knows what's going to happen, or if he's playing everyone...regardless, it's cool that Civil War served as a catalyst for Cable's apocalyptic future.

Also, it was cool to see Deadpool actually kicking ass at the beginning of the issue. He messes around, yes, but he's to be taken seriously...from time to time. Another highlight was Deadpool basically shooting himself in the face and the whole duct tape exchange, in addition to the hilarious Hercules bit.

I'm thinking it might be Hercules who bites it. Him or Goliath, at least. Neither have been shown in any "post-battle" Civil War issues, to my knowledge. It'd be a shame if it's Bill, he gets brough back just to die. Hercules at least has a back door -- he is a Demigod, after all. Son of Zeus and whatnot? Regardless, Thor kills one of his old allies?! What the hell is going on, man?! They're pulling out all the stops with Civil War.

I wonder what Deadpool's real reasons for his stance are...I mean, the guy has been screwed over by the government in the past, I don't know why he'd take the side of something he wouldn't really trust for a smaller paycheck over more money and partnering up with his buddy. Hopefully that'll be discussed further.

My only complaint was the portrayal of the President. I don't think it was really a Bush thing specifically, though it was pretty obviously Bush, but it was disappointing. I'd like to think that the President at least believes the SHRA will ultimately help people. Call me naive, I don't like to think of the President as a completely opportunistic tool, mostly because I really like the West Wing.:D

His comment about the votes in November were a bit confusing...what year is it in the MU? Because a.) Bush can't run again and b.) the next election's not for another two years. That line sealed the deal, for me. The idea that the SHRA is an elaborate ruse to get votes, especially since it's not applicable to the "real world" setting Civil War has been displayed in, seemed a tad weak and annoying. I'm for Registration, and I don't believe there's been a conspiracy to demonize the characters I agree with, but lines like this don't help the situation. Registration would yield great results, but everyone who supports it seems to have an agenda or be a dick.

[Wild Card13]

Don't know about Sentry being able to do that. But that's for another thread.

My guess is also Goliath, because he's been thrust into the spotlight so recently. His death can be somewhat poignant, but none of the big names are being touched just the same. Comic book rule number one: make change without making change. Then again, comments from Joe Q aren't always reliable. Remember when we were speculating who the fake DD was, and suspicion fell on Hawkeye? One of the most oft-cited pieces of evidence was a comment from Joe Q. When asked about what Hawkeye's been up to, he said, "Oh, he's been having a devil of a time."

Misleading, no?

[Simpsonsboy182]

I wonder whose dead....but yea ill go with goliath, killing sum1 like him, then maybe hte pro reg will be like "wow we just killed one of our own"

[XPac]

My vote is Goliath too. The poor guy might as well be wearing a red shirt (though anyone wearing something out of Hank Pyms closet is in just as much trouble).

[DMike]

Millar is after all the guy who killed Northstar.

In all fairness, Northstar had just finished a two-year stint as an X-Man at the time, so it's not like he was toiling in Limbo for decades or anything.

His comment about the votes in November were a bit confusing...what year is it in the MU? Because a.) Bush can't run again and b.) the next election's not for another two years.

There's still midterm elections in November, which could lead to a Congressional turnaround and/or possible impeachment if the SHRA or the Fifty States Initiative fails.

[Markavian]

This was a good issue, Cable's take on Civil War is very refereshing. I wonder if he really knows what's going to happen, or if he's playing everyone...regardless, it's cool that Civil War served as a catalyst for Cable's apocalyptic future.

Also, it was cool to see Deadpool actually kicking ass at the beginning of the issue. He messes around, yes, but he's to be taken seriously...from time to time. Another highlight was Deadpool basically shooting himself in the face and the whole duct tape exchange, in addition to the hilarious Hercules bit.

I'm thinking it might be Hercules who bites it. Him or Goliath, at least. Neither have been shown in any "post-battle" Civil War issues, to my knowledge. It'd be a shame if it's Bill, he gets brough back just to die. Hercules at least has a back door -- he is a Demigod, after all. Son of Zeus and whatnot? Regardless, Thor kills one of his old allies?! What the hell is going on, man?! They're pulling out all the stops with Civil War.

I wonder what Deadpool's real reasons for his stance are...I mean, the guy has been screwed over by the government in the past, I don't know why he'd take the side of something he wouldn't really trust for a smaller paycheck over more money and partnering up with his buddy. Hopefully that'll be discussed further.

My only complaint was the portrayal of the President. I don't think it was really a Bush thing specifically, though it was pretty obviously Bush, but it was disappointing. I'd like to think that the President at least believes the SHRA will ultimately help people. Call me naive, I don't like to think of the President as a completely opportunistic tool, mostly because I really like the West Wing.:D

His comment about the votes in November were a bit confusing...what year is it in the MU? Because a.) Bush can't run again and b.) the next election's not for another two years. That line sealed the deal, for me. The idea that the SHRA is an elaborate ruse to get votes, especially since it's not applicable to the "real world" setting Civil War has been displayed in, seemed a tad weak and annoying. I'm for Registration, and I don't believe there's been a conspiracy to demonize the characters I agree with, but lines like this don't help the situation. Registration would yield great results, but everyone who supports it seems to have an agenda or be a dick.
Herc is shown to survive just gets smacked around some by Thor.

[Grizsly]

Nobody has brought up the unbearable pain Deadpool must have suffered being duct taped for hours while really having to pee.

I wonder where the pisser in the White House closest to the Oval Offic really is?

And next issue looks to be something really nice.

[Deadpooligan]

They mummified Deadpool with duct tape! XD

Shooting himself in the face? Commenting on "godly endowment"? Priceless.

My favorite part: When DP cowered behind Cap, still bragging at Herc, THEN tried to shoot Cap in the back and promptly deflected. "Drat!"

Oh, that Deadpool. Holding his own against 5 Secret Avengers like nobody's business.

[evilheroics]

i liked it, but im dissapointed, i thought it was funny but un-eventful.

the duct tape seen was great. the badge gag was great.

the seen with cable at the end with the president, dull. i could however see the president acting with his only concern being votes.

cap and the secret avengers scenes were few and the only good thing was that tidbit about thor....

[Sean Walsh]

So they'd have a character they could kill.

Millar is after all the guy who killed Northstar.

...and then brought him right back. :p

[Jmacq1]

If Thor ends up killing one of the Anti-Reg heroes, I can only imagine a few different scenarios:

A: Thor is brainwashed somehow.

B: It's more an "accident" than a deliberate attempt to kill (IE Goliath getting in the way of a blast meant for Hercules/the whole group), and Thor immediately removes himself from the battlefield/war because of it.

C: It's not really Thor, but Ares in disguise. The whole thing is a psychological warfare gambit by Tony and Ares to demoralize the Anti-Reg side. Would also explain Ares' presence but Thor's absence in the upcoming "Mighty Avengers".

Because if Thor meaningfully and deliberately kills an Anti-Registration hero, he loses all credibility as a hero himself. Right before he gets his new ongoing title? I kinda doubt that.

[Markavian]

If Thor ends up killing one of the Anti-Reg heroes, I can only imagine a few different scenarios:

A: Thor is brainwashed somehow.

B: It's more an "accident" than a deliberate attempt to kill (IE Goliath getting in the way of a blast meant for Hercules/the whole group), and Thor immediately removes himself from the battlefield/war because of it.

C: It's not really Thor, but Ares in disguise. The whole thing is a psychological warfare gambit by Tony and Ares to demoralize the Anti-Reg side. Would also explain Ares' presence but Thor's absence in the upcoming "Mighty Avengers".

Because if Thor meaningfully and deliberately kills an Anti-Registration hero, he loses all credibility as a hero himself. Right before he gets his new ongoing title? I kinda doubt that.
We hear comming down the Line thay Captain America is willing to kill whoever gets in his way at the End of Civil War...So does that make Captain America "Less of a Hero?" I mean in Fights such as heroes engauge in People sometimes die. Its not a thing we like to see on any side but it happens.I dont see how it makes them any less a Hero. If Cap is willing to kill Pro Reg heroes or US Army Troops at 42's Gate that doesnt just disqualify him as a Hero but brands him as a Murderer and a Terrorist forever..He does that he Will NEVER Be back as the Cap we all knew and loved.

[Jmacq1]

We hear comming down the Line thay Captain America is willing to kill whoever gets in his way at the End of Civil War...So does that make Captain America "Less of a Hero?" I mean in Fights such as heroes engauge in People sometimes die. Its not a thing we like to see on any side but it happens.I dont see how it makes them any less a Hero. If Cap is willing to kill Pro Reg heroes or US Army Troops at 42's Gate that doesnt just disqualify him as a Hero but brands him as a Murderer and a Terrorist forever..He does that he Will NEVER Be back as the Cap we all knew and loved.

Only one problem: He -hasn't- killed anyone yet. And until he does, there's no argument to be made. He might even tell himself he's willing to kill, but until he -does- he could just be deluding himself. You are correct though, if Cap becomes a blatant killer (whether of other heroes or of non-corrupt soldiers/agents/law enforcers) over all this, he too will have lost all credibility as a hero. Note that I said "blatant". As in it has to be clearly shown and/or stated that he killed someone, not an ambiguous scene that up until this crossover 99 percent of people would have basically agreed that no one actually died in.

From what it sounds like, we've got semi-definite proof that Thor killed someone. Having him do that deliberately would make him lose just as much credibility as Cap in the above scenario.

In fact, it really just kind of sullies all the heroes if they condone it. Because how the heck can they justify killing other heroes but will always try to bring the real bad guys back alive?

Or is everyone going to become the Punisher now?

Honestly, if Cap and Thor both end up completely sullied from all this (Given that they're my #1 and #3 favorite Marvel heroes, respectively), I may not be reading -any- comics by the time this is all said and done.

PS: Iron Man is my #2.

[Shane Shooter]

Wow I really wish this issue would have came out with SPOILER warnings I didn't necessarily wanna know what happend in Civil War 4 ... well at least they didn't say who go axed .... other than that I'm startin' to really like this book Deadpool's line are classic .....contrasted with the seriousness of cable its great I might put it on my Pull list. THoughts ?

[ReigningBlood]

I liked how they went about it. It really built more anticipation to Civil War #4. I was beginning to grow really impatient with the delays, but this has really built my interest some more.

And now I'm really looking forward to Cable/Deadpool's third installment. It's going to be a fun one.

[Markavian]

Only one problem: He -hasn't- killed anyone yet. And until he does, there's no argument to be made. He might even tell himself he's willing to kill, but until he -does- he could just be deluding himself. You are correct though, if Cap becomes a blatant killer (whether of other heroes or of non-corrupt soldiers/agents/law enforcers) over all this, he too will have lost all credibility as a hero. Note that I said "blatant". As in it has to be clearly shown and/or stated that he killed someone, not an ambiguous scene that up until this crossover 99 percent of people would have basically agreed that no one actually died in.

From what it sounds like, we've got semi-definite proof that Thor killed someone. Having him do that deliberately would make him lose just as much credibility as Cap in the above scenario.

In fact, it really just kind of sullies all the heroes if they condone it. Because how the heck can they justify killing other heroes but will always try to bring the real bad guys back alive?

Or is everyone going to become the Punisher now?

Honestly, if Cap and Thor both end up completely sullied from all this (Given that they're my #1 and #3 favorite Marvel heroes, respectively), I may not be reading -any- comics by the time this is all said and done.

PS: Iron Man is my #2.
Cap DOESNT take the route of killing .Marvel has Cable and Puniisher and Wolverine they dont need a 4th Mega Killer. Cap HAS Killed before when given absolutly no choice.He killed one of Flag smashers men who was about to blow up a plane.And he felt bad about it long afterwards.While some may think this makes Cap A wuss And I do find it frustrating at times it alsso shows the depth of his character and the value he places on life.Which in itself I think is one of the American Ideals Cap has always defended. :)

[Jmacq1]

Cap DOESNT take the route of killing .Marvel has Cable and Puniisher and Wolverine they dont need a 4th Mega Killer. Cap HAS Killed before when given absolutly no choice.He killed one of Flag smashers men who was about to blow up a plane.And he felt bad about it long afterwards.While some may think this makes Cap A wuss And I do find it frustrating at times it alsso shows the depth of his character and the value he places on life.Which in itself I think is one of the American Ideals Cap has always defended. :)

For once I agree with you. I'm not adverse to Cap occasionally killing when he has no choice and feels suitably remorseful about it afterward. I just don't think this "Civil War" situation is truly serious enough to push Steve to the point where he'd start seriously considering killing fellow heroes.

It -shouldn't- be, anyway. Heroes have fought other heroes for just as high, if not higher stakes before, and they weren't trying to kill each other -then-....why would that suddenly change now?

[Magneto Rocks]

May I suggest that Thor kills a pro-regger? Does it seem VERY unlikely? Yes. But let's face it... with Mark Millar you must expect the unexpected. And it would make this issue a GREAT source of misinformation.

PS: Did anyone doubt it would be Thor? Someone gets a 'hole blown through their chest' while Thor 'kicks ass'?

[Markavian]

May I suggest that Thor kills a pro-regger? Does it seem VERY unlikely? Yes. But let's face it... with Mark Millar you must expect the unexpected. And it would make this issue a GREAT source of misinformation.

PS: Did anyone doubt it would be Thor? Someone gets a 'hole blown through their chest' while Thor 'kicks ass'?
Lightning is an unpredictible force..a Bolt could go haywire or someone could get in the way by accident

[Jmacq1]

May I suggest that Thor kills a pro-regger? Does it seem VERY unlikely? Yes. But let's face it... with Mark Millar you must expect the unexpected. And it would make this issue a GREAT source of misinformation.

PS: Did anyone doubt it would be Thor? Someone gets a 'hole blown through their chest' while Thor 'kicks ass'?

I'm pretty sure the issue clearly states that it was an Anti-Regger/One of Cap's team that dies.

[Markavian]

For once I agree with you. I'm not adverse to Cap occasionally killing when he has no choice and feels suitably remorseful about it afterward. I just don't think this "Civil War" situation is truly serious enough to push Steve to the point where he'd start seriously considering killing fellow heroes.

It -shouldn't- be, anyway. Heroes have fought other heroes for just as high, if not higher stakes before, and they weren't trying to kill each other -then-....why would that suddenly change now?Millar :mad: :p :rolleyes:

[Jmacq1]

Millar :mad: :p :rolleyes:

Like I said before, -he's- the guy that needs an Iron Man/Cap/Spidey smackdown! ;)

[TheDrizzt]

My only complaint was the portrayal of the President. I don't think it was really a Bush thing specifically, though it was pretty obviously Bush, but it was disappointing. I'd like to think that the President at least believes the SHRA will ultimately help people. Call me naive, I don't like to think of the President as a completely opportunistic tool, mostly because I really like the West Wing.:D
Personally, I'd prefer if Marvel used fictional characters as PotUS instead of the real ones. At least then they might be characters instead of cariactures from writers who're deluded into thinking we give flying fig about their (generally uninformed) political opinions.

Or more likely we'd see Graydon Creed as PotUS and thinly-veiled 43 cariacture...

[BigBoss]

I already read it ten times. I am addcited to this like I am to the amazing spider man civil war tie ins.

[XPac]

Personally, I'd prefer if Marvel used fictional characters as PotUS instead of the real ones. At least then they might be characters instead of cariactures from writers who're deluded into thinking we give flying fig about their (generally uninformed) political opinions.

Or more likely we'd see Graydon Creed as PotUS and thinly-veiled 43 cariacture...

Do they actually say it's Bush ? Do they use presidents name in general? If they don't, I don't think it's such a big deal. It's just parody. If they do actually call them my name, then they are effectively turning real people into Marvel characters. And that can be tricky, as they would have some level of obligation to writer them in character.

[Jmacq1]

Do they actually say it's Bush ? Do they use presidents name in general? If they don't, I don't think it's such a big deal. It's just parody. If they do actually call them my name, then they are effectively turning real people into Marvel characters. And that can be tricky, as they would have some level of obligation to writer them in character.

The artistic renderings leave little doubt as to who it is. Both in the Ultimate-Verse and in current 616.

[foxfire]

Wow. Dubya's a real bitch...

[Doom Hammer]

Do they actually say it's Bush ? Do they use presidents name in general? If they don't, I don't think it's such a big deal. It's just parody. If they do actually call them my name, then they are effectively turning real people into Marvel characters. And that can be tricky, as they would have some level of obligation to writer them in character.

It's crappy parody, if you want to call it that. I don't see why the president has to be a caricature, though.

I mean, Bush freely admitted to stepping on civil liberties and taking steps to create a totalitarian police state. Even if someone thinks that resembles the man himself, which is pretty damn extreme, why in the hell would he come out and say that? It's nonsense.

I'm sorry, but that comment totally undermines the entire pro-reg agenda, and it's disappointing.

[Zero Hunter]

I think it will be Goliath too. He has such a long time ties to heroes on both sides of the war that his death would really shake them up. Hopefully if it is him it pisses the Thing off enough to come give Iron Man and his group a world class "Clobbering Time" moment.

[dreyga2000]

I mean, Bush freely admitted to stepping on civil liberties and taking steps to create a totalitarian police state.

Just because he setting uop Super Police force doesn't mean he's creating a totlitarian police states when cops can't handle something they call Swat, and when squat can't handle something they call the supercops...In a world in which lawless superfreaks run rampant God only knows why police forces have never hired superpoewered indivuals to help enforce to laws it would much more effective than the cdliche police with nithing but guns that no effect of assalant

[jackolover]

It's crappy parody, if you want to call it that. I don't see why the president has to be a caricature, though.

I mean, Bush freely admitted to stepping on civil liberties and taking steps to create a totalitarian police state. Even if someone thinks that resembles the man himself, which is pretty damn extreme, why in the hell would he come out and say that? It's nonsense.

I'm sorry, but that comment totally undermines the entire pro-reg agenda, and it's disappointing.

I tend not to equate the real world Pres with the 616 version. In 616 the Pres just had his office invaded by an invulnerable cape who insists on making his point. What do you think he would do? Stay calm and rational? It's any wonder the 616 Pres has any reasonable bones in his body. Of cause he is going to sound more radical than the real deal. Hell, he might call out the whole damn military after Cables visit and just try and put an end to all capes. Pretty Damn Extreme alright. Just put Dubja up against creatures who think walls are for walking through, and I think the real deal would be nucking the whole of NY.

[Nomad]

I'm not a bush supporter, but I prefer the "invisible" comic president that you never see. They can be whoever you want. I remember during Death of Superman:rolleyes: Bill and Hillary were at his funeral, taking me out of the comic permanently.

Side note- In Secret Empire, did #1 end up being Nixon,(well comic nixon)? I was always unclear on that.

[Weirdopky]

Can somebody please tell me where it's stated that you find out that Iron Fist is under the mask of DD? I mean, Cable and Deadpool 31 proves it, but where did the whole thing originate??? I'm so confused.

[jackolover]

Can somebody please tell me where it's stated that you find out that Iron Fist is under the mask of DD? I mean, Cable and Deadpool 31 proves it, but where did the whole thing originate??? I'm so confused.

See Daredevil 87. Matty breaks out of jail and meets the other DD and asks him to unmask. It's Danny.

[IMJ]

Awesome issue. I love Fabian's writing, and even with a crazy idea like teaming up two rivals he's done an awesome job of creating some great dynamics between their characters. This issue, and the next one, is the penultimate example.

Wade beats the ever-loving hell out of some of the resistance members. He takes out Hercules with Goliath, shoots down Falcon, sweeps Iron Fist posing as Daredevil, and then prepares to face down Captain America for the first time in years. After some distracting banter, Cable shows up and uses his gravimetric shield to make Wade put a dozen tranq darts in his own face. :p Then they roll him up in tons of duct tape and leave him in their base to go into battle, which takes place in the last issue of Civil War.

Cable returns alone saying that one of the members died, killed by Thor, which we'll see who and how in the next issue of Civil War (God, I hope it's Hercules and not Goliath!). He unties Deadpool and bodyslides them into the Oval Office so Nathan can confront Bush personally about the Act. While Wade's takin' a leak, he brings up the "Fifty State Initiative" in front of the President, something that hasn't been made public yet. In the future, every state is supposed to have a superhuman police force to enforce its laws, which leads to a police state, which could eventually mirror the "Days of Future Past" scenario. He tells the President to rethink his position before he dooms our country, and eventually the planet itself, through his actions (heavy, heavy metaphor there, Fabian ;)). Of course, the secret service attack Cable, who he puts down easily, just before Wade gets back from the john, at which point Bush orders him, as a federal agent, to attack Cable.

Next month, we get to see it. Two friendly enemies divided by this issue going at it one more time. :D Great issue.

I also want to hump Nicieza's leg after this week's issue of Action Comics. :)


Guys, I think I missed the boat on something. Where and when did we find out that it was Iron Fist who was posing as Daredevil? Also, it sounds like it is in this issue that we see more of the battle that went down in CW #3.
Is that true?

[IMJ]

OOOOkkaayyy... So I post this AND THEN I read the post right above mine.

Way to go, Ironman John. :p

[Nomad]

My copy hasn't come in the mail yet. Is there a skirmish between cap and wade, or does the fight end before they get a chance to throw down?

[Omega Alpha]

Guys, I think I missed the boat on something. Where and when did we find out that it was Iron Fist who was posing as Daredevil?

Daredevil #87.

[MarcusP2]

My copy hasn't come in the mail yet. Is there a skirmish between cap and wade, or does the fight end before they get a chance to throw down?

Hardly anything. Deadpool avoids Cap's team, spouts some trademark Deadpool drivel at Cap, then Hercules interjects and DP hides behind the Cap. They don't actually throw any punches.

[Markavian]

He struts and preaches that in 50 years the President of the USA will sign a Surrender and that the USA is headed towards a Police state and that he knows it all because he is from the future. Hogwash!! He is from A future. Days of Future past proved that the future is not set in stone . Cable is being used as the writers political mouth piece and thats sad really.:mad:

[XPac]

He struts and preaches that in 50 years the President of the USA will sign a Surrender and that the USA is headed towards a Police state and that he knows it all because he is from the future. Hogwash!! He is from A future. Days of Future past proved that the future is not set in stone . Cable is being used as the writers political mouth piece and thats sad really.:mad:

That's the entire point of his warning. He's from A future... not necessarily THE future which means it can be changed. He wouldn't bothering warning them if it was unavoidable... there wouldn't be a point. They just have to care enough to NOT make it happen by doing things to avoid moving in that direction.

Cable said what didn't need to be said for most comic book reades... the Registration is the PERFECT set up for something like Days of Future Past. Obviously that doens't mean that Days of Future Past would be a direct result of the registration, but it's the logical first step.

[sherlockbones]

Can somebody please tell me where it's stated that you find out that Iron Fist is under the mask of DD? I mean, Cable and Deadpool 31 proves it, but where did the whole thing originate??? I'm so confused.

answered alrdy, but i´d like to add that it was confirmed by the author himself on this board. c&dp becomes a notorious spoiler book...what´s next?

"btw deadpool, mr.fantastic and iron-man have been eaten by the hulk, thought u´d like to know" :confused:

[Starscream]

He struts and preaches that in 50 years the President of the USA will sign a Surrender and that the USA is headed towards a Police state and that he knows it all because he is from the future. Hogwash!! He is from A future. Days of Future past proved that the future is not set in stone . Cable is being used as the writers political mouth piece and thats sad really.:mad:


like said by Xpac, Cable is from A future and not form THE future.
But because Cable is warning the prez and tells him a few things it could well be that atm everything is going the way to make Cables future THE future.

But ofc the president wont believe Cable as he is with the underground. and From the presidents point of view everything is going like planned.
The president cant imagin that something will happen to turn his plans into something bad.

[BigBoss]

would someone mind telling me what this 616 stuff is.

[Starscream]

would someone mind telling me what this 616 stuff is.

616 is the nr of this universe.
in MArvel there are tons of paralel universes the one inwich Cable & Deadpool the avengers etc play in is Universe 616.

[bulbasteve]

He struts and preaches that in 50 years the President of the USA will sign a Surrender and that the USA is headed towards a Police state and that he knows it all because he is from the future. Hogwash!! He is from A future. Days of Future past proved that the future is not set in stone . Cable is being used as the writers political mouth piece and thats sad really.:mad:

Well that and the fact his future was totally different and took place less than 50 years in the future. I think it's amazing that he talks to him about the registration act but not Sentinels which were the whole reason that future came about anyway. We already HAVE mutants in camps guarded by sentinels, shouldn't that be what he is worried about?

And how would registration change that? Sentinels knowing Spider-Man is Peter Parker isn't going to make any difference at all. And they are controlled by people now and they can tear through the old models like they were swiss cheese.

Wouldn't SHIELD being a U.N. force and not a U.S. one actually be better in stopping some rogue mutant hating President from doing anything about the mutant problem? We have already seen Hill basically refusing to nuke the New Avengers, wouldn't their indepenence help stop his future?

Plus Bishop comes from another dystopian future and he is working with the government. And a more recent one too... so what the heck does Cable think he knows that Bishop doesn't?

[Alpow]

Wouldn't SHIELD being a U.N. force and not a U.S. one actually be better in stopping some rogue mutant hating President from doing anything about the mutant problem? We have already seen Hill basically refusing to nuke the New Avengers, wouldn't their indepenence help stop his future?


Any rogue mutant hating President can just set up his own department and transfer his super human assets to that, the super humans are only working for Shield because the US government is willing to let that happen (after all Shield is almost an appendage of the US government anyway) and because it is immediately convenient.

They are federal agents being lent to Shield nothing more.

[XPac]

Well that and the fact his future was totally different and took place less than 50 years in the future. I think it's amazing that he talks to him about the registration act but not Sentinels which were the whole reason that future came about anyway. We already HAVE mutants in camps guarded by sentinels, shouldn't that be what he is worried about?

And how would registration change that? Sentinels knowing Spider-Man is Peter Parker isn't going to make any difference at all. And they are controlled by people now and they can tear through the old models like they were swiss cheese.

Wouldn't SHIELD being a U.N. force and not a U.S. one actually be better in stopping some rogue mutant hating President from doing anything about the mutant problem? We have already seen Hill basically refusing to nuke the New Avengers, wouldn't their indepenence help stop his future?

Plus Bishop comes from another dystopian future and he is working with the government. And a more recent one too... so what the heck does Cable think he knows that Bishop doesn't?


The thing is at the end of the day, Sentinals are just tools. They are innanimate objects that aren't inherently good or bad.

The thing which is the heart of the problem was never the Sentinals themselves, but rather the government deciding to create a police state to control the metahumans. The registration itself, as I argued before, doesn't directly cause that... but it's the first logical step in creating that.

[Markavian]

would someone mind telling me what this 616 stuff is.
the main marvel universe:)

[Starscream]

Well that and the fact his future was totally different and took place less than 50 years in the future. I think it's amazing that he talks to him about the registration act but not Sentinels which were the whole reason that future came about anyway. We already HAVE mutants in camps guarded by sentinels, shouldn't that be what he is worried about?

And how would registration change that? Sentinels knowing Spider-Man is Peter Parker isn't going to make any difference at all. And they are controlled by people now and they can tear through the old models like they were swiss cheese.

Wouldn't SHIELD being a U.N. force and not a U.S. one actually be better in stopping some rogue mutant hating President from doing anything about the mutant problem? We have already seen Hill basically refusing to nuke the New Avengers, wouldn't their indepenence help stop his future?

Plus Bishop comes from another dystopian future and he is working with the government. And a more recent one too... so what the heck does Cable think he knows that Bishop doesn't?


the reg act is the first step.
what Cable is worried about is the Fifty State Innitiative.
Maybe the FSI is more then just Super Powered groups in each state.
He alsos eems more worried about wich things start rolling once the FSI gets started.

That and you said it urself Bishop is form ANOTHER dystopian future.
they both had crappy futures but both their worlds got to that future in slightly diffrent ways.
And btw it seems like Bishop thinks he can change stuff from turning into his future by working with ONE and SHIELD.
btw Cable knows way more about the current situation then Bishop.

you cant compaire what Cable knows ot what Bishop knows.
Cable knows alot more especially about the current situation. Mostly due to black Box. That and Cable thinks years ahead and about the big picture.

And about the sentinels.
The current Sentinels that are used ot guard Xavier Institut etc are controlled by human and are pretty weak.

ONE only recently started using them high powered Sentinels seen in X-men Civil War 2.

[XPac]

would someone mind telling me what this 616 stuff is.

NOt that this has to do with anything, but in recent years there has been some evidence that the original number of the Beast (commonly accepted as 666) was actually 616.

So I've always found the number either an interesting coincidence, or a suble bit of commentary (probably the former rather than the later).

[Markavian]

NOt that this has to do with anything, but in recent years there has been some evidence that the original number of the Beast (commonly accepted as 666) was actually 616.

So I've always found the number either an interesting coincidence, or a suble bit of commentary (probably the former rather than the later).
Many fans believed that "616" was a reference to the Number of the Beast in one of the the final chapters of the Christian Bible, the Book of Revelation (or the Apocalypse of John). While most early manuscripts give the Number of the Beast as "666", the earliest existing fragment of the Greek text of this book gives it as "616". Moore, a student of mystic esoterica from a very early age, could well have known about this alternate rendering. For many years, the headquarters of DC Comics was located at 666 Fifth Avenue in New York City. Thus, the name could be a subtle joke that the DC Universe was Earth-666 while the Marvel Universe was Earth-616.

;)

[bulbasteve]

Any rogue mutant hating President can just set up his own department and transfer his super human assets to that, the super humans are only working for Shield because the US government is willing to let that happen (after all Shield is almost an appendage of the US government anyway) and because it is immediately convenient.

They are federal agents being lent to Shield nothing more.

All the examples of backdoor drafts and such have shown that it is SHIELD who lends out the heroes to work, not the other way around. Plus the fact that according to She Hulk #10 only the top members of SHIELD know identities, so they are registering with SHIELD, not the federal government. And from the example in New Avengers where Hill basically refused when the President pressured her to nuke the avengers, so they have enough leeway under national security to refuse those kind of orders.

The thing is at the end of the day, Sentinals are just tools. They are innanimate objects that aren't inherently good or bad.

The thing which is the heart of the problem was never the Sentinals themselves, but rather the government deciding to create a police state to control the metahumans. The registration itself, as I argued before, doesn't directly cause that... but it's the first logical step in creating that.

Hey according to the story it was because the orders given to the Sentinels were too broad and they took over the country. I don't write this stuff...it's right there. That is the cause at the end of the day of his future.

[XPac]

Hey according to the story it was because the orders given to the Sentinels were too broad and they took over the country. I don't write this stuff...it's right there. That is the cause at the end of the day of his future.

That's thinking way too simplistically. They wouldn't bother giving Sentinals these sort of orders to begin with if the government didn't make the decision to start policing the metahumans and mutants in martial law kind of manner.

When you look at history, it's not just the exact choices which bring about drastic change but rather the enviroment that shaped those choices to begin with. Rather than treatening the symtom or even curing the discease, Cable is attempting to prevent the illness entirely.

[Alpow]

All the examples of backdoor drafts and such have shown that it is SHIELD who lends out the heroes to work, not the other way around.

Stark was put in charge of the situation by the President and Stark seems to think he is in charge, Stark meets with the President at the end of civil war one to discuss the way forward, not Hill.

All we have seen otherwise is Shield agents running about forcing Super heroes to do things using the act because the government has made available all super humans to Shield.

Plus the fact that according to She Hulk #10 only the top members of SHIELD know identities, so they are registering with SHIELD, not the federal government.

According to Jen in a book which isn't even part of the main event, the civil war main book however says people will have to register with the government not the UN (which Shield is supposedly a branch of).

In illuminati Tony specifically says they will be forced to “reveal themselves to the United States Government” and then they will get a job with the new Shield world security force (although again they are constantly referred to being federal employees, including by Jen indicating that the Federal government is still their employer).

[bulbasteve]

That's thinking way too simplistically. They wouldn't bother giving Sentinals these sort of orders to begin with if the government didn't make the decision to start policing the metahumans and mutants in martial law kind of manner.

When you look at history, it's not just the exact choices which bring about drastic change but rather the enviroment that shaped those choices to begin with. Rather than treatening the symtom or even curing the discease, Cable is attempting to prevent the illness entirely.

Oh yeah, teleporting into the Oval Office and treatening the President, claiming you are the only one with the knowledge of correct policy is reeeeaally going to prevent the illness. What an ironic note it would be if Cable was actually the one who caused the Days of Future Past timeline, oh I would pay for that issue I tell ya.

But yes in this case it is the exact choice that did it. You don't know if the Supreme Court would have had it's way or the heroes could have stopped the Sentinels if it wasn't for the programming. And the fact that an entirely different law with entirely different enforcement policy is in place. And that politics is entirely different since the assassination didn't happen and you don't know if that leader is even elected.

Since his timeline is a non-issue, all Cable is giving is a slippery slope argument, with a little added "I'm from the furture" ominessness added in. "oh tax cuts for the rich? Don't you know that could lead to a future where mutants are hunted down!"

According to Jen in a book which isn't even part of the main event, the civil war main book however says people will have to register with the government not the UN (which Shield is supposedly a branch of).


It's the only specific mention of who get's to know the information. So unless some other specific mention is made than that is how it works. Sure the government will know who Reed Richards is and what Spider-Man's powers are, but only SHIELD will know the identities.

Anyway you know how Slott is with continuity, I doubt he would make a mistake like that.

[Alpow]

It's the only specific mention of who get's to know the information. So unless some other specific mention is made than that is how it works. Sure the government will know who Reed Richards is and what Spider-Man's powers are, but only SHIELD will know the identities.


Tony specifically says the US government, now unless Shield is part of the US government then that is a specific reference to somebody in the US government being notified.

People have also stated multiple times that they must register with “the government” which Shield isn’t.

Finally it is ridiculous to conclude the US government would pass a bill forcing people to register with a non US institution when the entire point (at least what the government is putting forward as the point) is to get accountability.


But hey lets say it is just Shield which gets notified of what’s going on, that means you are handing over a super human army to an even more unaccountable institution than the US government could come up with, that hardly allays fears of a take over (at least a US government department could only easily take over the US instead of Shield which could do the entire world in one go) and a days of Future past type future.

[FabianNicieza]

He struts and preaches that in 50 years the President of the USA will sign a Surrender and that the USA is headed towards a Police state and that he knows it all because he is from the future. Hogwash!! He is from A future. Days of Future past proved that the future is not set in stone . Cable is being used as the writers political mouth piece and thats sad really.:mad:


That's a false assumption. Cable has said MANY times in MANY ISSUES that he has seen COUNTLESS TIMELINES, NONE of which are THIS timeline.

HE KNOWS his past is NOT his future. The present creates its own future, so he KNOWS whatever will be will be.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE WON'T USE THE PERCEPTION PEOPLE HAVE OF HIM TO HIS ADVANTAGE!! He'll say something like the lines in #31 to the Prez and other people SPECIFICALLY to make them think he knows more than he does, manipulate them, intimidate them, etc.

I don't know if you're a regular reader of the title or not. If you are, shame on you for not understanding his character after 3 years. If you're a Civil War stopover, thanks for coming by, but don't presume to think all writers espouse their own personal viewpoints through the mouths of their characters. Some writers like, oh, I don't know, ME, prefer to let the characters talk for themselves...

-- Fabian

[bulbasteve]

Tony specifically says the US government, now unless Shield is part of the US government then that is a specific reference to somebody in the US government being notified.

There are over a million people employed by the government, that isn't specific. She-Hulk's number one would imagine is quite a bit smaller. Not to mention the fact that only SHIELD would have the tech available to keep them secret. Sure maybe the President has level 8 access to SHIELD files or whatever, but we don't know that. And until we do we gotta go by what is written there. She-Hulk is a lawyer after all, so she would know these things more than the others. Anyway people in the books do paint the act with pretty broad strokes...that is probably just another example of it.

Finally it is ridiculous to conclude the US government would pass a bill forcing people to register with a non US institution when the entire point (at least what the government is putting forward as the point) is to get accountability.


To me it looks like the Superheroes will bring accountability to SHIELD. They can't trust them too much after the Secret War fiasco. Having Tony and them right in the middle means they both don't have to work for the U.S. Government and be sent to Iraq or something but also can report any corruption in SHIELD back to the U.S. Government.

So sure Congress could pass another law to bring the heroes back to working directly for the government, but that will be a process in itself not just a snap of the presidents fingers and suddenly spider-man is throwing Cyclops in a concentration camp.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE WON'T USE THE PERCEPTION PEOPLE HAVE OF HIM TO HIS ADVANTAGE!! He'll say something like the lines in #31 to the Prez and other people SPECIFICALLY to make them think he knows more than he does, manipulate them, intimidate them, etc.


My god...Civil War is tearing us apart! Fan against fan...creator against fan...when will it stop!?

But uuh...Don't worry, you portrayed that point well even if someone (like me) only got into Deadpool again cause of Civil War. Although these trades do help a lot...

[XPac]

Oh yeah, teleporting into the Oval Office and treatening the President, claiming you are the only one with the knowledge of correct policy is reeeeaally going to prevent the illness. What an ironic note it would be if Cable was actually the one who caused the Days of Future Past timeline, oh I would pay for that issue I tell ya.

But yes in this case it is the exact choice that did it. You don't know if the Supreme Court would have had it's way or the heroes could have stopped the Sentinels if it wasn't for the programming. And the fact that an entirely different law with entirely different enforcement policy is in place. And that politics is entirely different since the assassination didn't happen and you don't know if that leader is even elected.

Since his timeline is a non-issue, all Cable is giving is a slippery slope argument, with a little added "I'm from the furture" ominessness added in. "oh tax cuts for the rich? Don't you know that could lead to a future where mutants are hunted down!"



There are multiple ways to get to the same end result. That's why Cable's view point still has value even if it's not the exact same future, and that's why the important thing to deal with is not stopping the exact details that let to DOFP but rather in fighting against the enviroment that set those details in action to begin with.

It was a martial law policy enforced against superhumans that brought about Days of Future Past, and the Registration is a logical first step in that. I did say before that it doesn't mean it will create that end result, and that's worth repeating. I'm sure Cable knows that... but at the same time a person that has seen it happen before can recognize the contributing factors that led to it and at least try to stop it.

[Markavian]

That's a false assumption. Cable has said MANY times in MANY ISSUES that he has seen COUNTLESS TIMELINES, NONE of which are THIS timeline.

HE KNOWS his past is NOT his future. The present creates its own future, so he KNOWS whatever will be will be.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE WON'T USE THE PERCEPTION PEOPLE HAVE OF HIM TO HIS ADVANTAGE!! He'll say something like the lines in #31 to the Prez and other people SPECIFICALLY to make them think he knows more than he does, manipulate them, intimidate them, etc.

I don't know if you're a regular reader of the title or not. If you are, shame on you for not understanding his character after 3 years. If you're a Civil War stopover, thanks for coming by, but don't presume to think all writers espouse their own personal viewpoints through the mouths of their characters. Some writers like, oh, I don't know, ME, prefer to let the characters talk for themselves...

-- Fabian
First Off if it looks like Duck(Political Hack job) walks like a duck Quacks like a Duck ,its a Duck.It was a fair comic until it got to the White House part. I have read Cable & DeadPool since House of M. Its normally very Good. But if I see something I think is Cheesy I will point it out TYVM.:)

[Weirdopky]

See Daredevil 87. Matty breaks out of jail and meets the other DD and asks him to unmask. It's Danny.


thanks jackolover. My older brother and I were totally confused that it was on Wikipedia, yet never mentioned in CW. That clears things up. :D

[maniacmatt]

What if a pro regger is a worm and then Thor kills them. It has been said that there will be a betrayal in MCW4.

[Nomad]

Whenever Fabian, (can I call you Fabian?) posts, all I can see are Wade's little yellow boxes. It makes me laaaaaugh!

But seriously, I'd love to see Cable and Zemo collide, but it looks unlikely. They have so much in common! Maybe they can get a double-date with Domino and Songbird.

[FabianNicieza]

First Off if it looks like Duck(Political Hack job) walks like a duck Quacks like a Duck ,its a Duck.It was a fair comic until it got to the White House part. I have read Cable & DeadPool since House of M. Its normally very Good. But if I see something I think is Cheesy I will point it out TYVM.:)

I think that in today's absurdly polarized U.S.of A., the general definition of "fair" has come to mean "my point of view is bring presented."

I'm not saying that's your definition, I'm just saying Fair presents BOTH sides of the coin. I can't speak for OTHER titles invovled in Civil War, but I assume the two sides of the coin are being presented depending on the title and characters involved.
In THIS book, with THIS character, IMO, Cable was pretty clear about stating his position on the matters involved (if not necessarily fairly, then at least in an honest manner).

What's "cheesy" about a man from the future who has lived in the past and fights in our present having a pretty broad point of view on a topic? He has no problems with registration. He says it right there to the Prez. He IS against the Fifty States Initiative (which you'll learn more about as CW goes along). He states WHY he believes this way. You may not agree with the arguement, but it's HIS position, his opinion and he certainly has the right to espouse them. If I were writing IRON MAN, the presentation would be very, very different. Or MADCAP. Or LOCKJAW. (hmm... Lockjaw pro or anti registration? ;-)

And just for the record, I'm a registered Democrat, but I have voted for Republican candidates at times and my personal views are actually very moderate (I know that's a curse word nowadays).

If truth REALLY be told, I think BOTH parties should be dumped in the ocean (along with the lawyers ;-) and we should start all over again.

So I lay all my cards out on the table, but you have yet to really validate your complaints with any kind of story specifics whatsoever. I prefer real dialogue. If I wanted simplified platitudes (your duck analogy), I'd go watch FOX news...

-- Fabian

[Guts/Batman]

But why would they bring back a character after years of disuse just to kill him in Civil War?

Why did DC create Breach? Or Katar Hol?

[Guts/Batman]

I love this issue. The spoiler for Civil War #4 is troublesome. And Cable's "You'll regret this in 50 years" is very amusing.

[Nomad]

If I wanted simplified platitudes (your duck analogy), I'd go watch FOX news...

I'm buying this issue twice, just for that.
And I'm all for a Nicieza Iron Man. I need this "other side of the coin" that everyone is always talking about. I don't keep change in my pockets these days. Useless!

[ivesaidway2much]

Does anyone know why Deadpool didn't become an Anti-Reg? When I read Cable offering to double whatever the gov't was paying Deadpool, I was wondering what the rest of the arc was going to be about now that Deadpool switch sides. The thought that Deadpool would turn down double pay AND a bigger badge seems to me more insane than he is. Is Deadpool a do-gooding patriot? Does he now stand for Truth, Justice and the American Way? What's going on?

[Bobster777]

Does anyone know why Deadpool didn't become an Anti-Reg? When I read Cable offering to double whatever the gov't was paying Deadpool, I was wondering what the rest of the arc was going to be about now that Deadpool switch sides. The thought that Deadpool would turn down double pay AND a bigger badge seems to me more insane than he is. Is Deadpool a do-gooding patriot? Does he now stand for Truth, Justice and the American Way? What's going on?
Well, Deadpool can be very poignant when he wants to be. For instance, when Domino was was trying to figure everything out in C&D 29, it was Deadpool's statement that put everything in perspective.
"No jokes? What I think don't much matter. Not for you it shouldn't. Read question is...What do you think?"
I predict Deadpool will be having another moment like this in which he makes a statement that drives home the message for the SHRA.

[Jeff-E]

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I honestly thought this was one of the best issues to date. DP actually began to whup the SA. Herc with a facial was hilarious, and the banter about doubling DP's wages and giving him his "bigger badge" were awesome. The prez conversation was a little out there but besides that this was a great issue.

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[Markavian]

Read the issue first.
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I honestly thought this was one of the best issues to date. DP actually began to whup the SA. Herc with a facial was hilarious, and the banter about doubling DP's wages and giving him his "bigger badge" were awesome. The prez conversation was a little out there but besides that this was a great issue.

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Overall as I said before it was a Good Issue. I really Liked DP's Combat skills in dealing with the SA and the way they restrained him was amusing .:)

[Bobster777]

Overall as I said before it was a Good Issue. I really Liked DP's Combat skills in dealing with the SA and the way they restrained him was amusing .:)
ha ha, yeah. Gotta love that duct tape.

[Ult. Fireboy]

I just read it and thought it was great. Shouldn't have let the Thor thing go, but I loved the issue.

[shadowraven]

I have only started reading this title in the past couple of months, but have now went back and bought the rest of the series. All I can say is that I was an idiot for being hesitant to try this out for so long. Deadpool is consistantly hilarious, and Cable is quickly becoming one of my favourite characters in comics.

Anyhow, not much new I can add to the discussion about this issue. Deadpools ongoing gags are funny as always, and the "godly endowments" line was a classic.

[Nomad]

I'm a deadpool fan. A dead-head, even. I only have one beef with this great issue, and it's insignificant- all of those wasted panels of wade duct-taped to a chair. Hilarious as it was, I'd rather see another page of storytelling. Or maybe a double page "Dead Deadpool." Cracks me up every issue:D Easily the best of the few letter pages at marvel

[Ult. Fireboy]

I thought Deadpool being tied to a chair with hundreds of rolls of duct tape and having to pee was hysterical.

[Nomad]

Not as funny as when he told the president. Or in the wrap up at the end of "Dear Deadpool."

[Ult. Fireboy]

You can't blame him for asking the president, he had to pee!:D :D

[Slade.]

Lmmfaoooo @ the part whee he shoots Hercules in the face over Cap's shoulder

that was so classic

and I hope its NOT hercules who dies.

he's way doper then Goliath and way more interesting

oh ohhh ohh look at mee i can grow bigger wooo im so special


:D

[Ult. Fireboy]

What reflected off CAble and hit Deadpool in the face at the beginning? Tranqs?

[Nomad]

yeah(-: "I'm feeling REEEEEALLY good right now..."

[Ult. Fireboy]

Who do you think will win next issue? CABLE OR DEADPOOL?

[Nomad]

I'm gonna have to say wade. Last thing he said/thought was "I can do this!":rolleyes: But seriously, Nate. Or it'll be a stalemate, with Cable reasoning with Deadpool, as crazy as that can be.

When is Deadpool finally going to duke it out with the Cap'n? He's been waiting so long to get his ass-whooped by the Star-Spangled Avenger. I know Cap has a huge waiting list, but wade could be like #30, or something.

[Ult. Fireboy]

I think Cable will win because Deadpool already shot him and they just richocheyed off him.:evilsmile :evilsmile

[Nomad]

It has always been said that Wade's greatest weapon is his mouth. Deadpool could kill Cable with brutal yellow boxes of doom. An asterisk could poke your eye out ***:eek:

[Ult. Fireboy]

I believe I don't understand.:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Nomad]

I believe I don't understand.:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

You know, the all powerful yellow boxes? They follow deadpool around and orbit his head, similar to Cable's shield. If he talks enough, I'm sure he can deflect a few projectiles.

Or he could keep talking until Cable shoots himself... That's pretty likely. Although you could argue that it's nothing Cable hasn't heard before.

[Ult. Fireboy]

You really know about DEADPOOL don't you.:)

[Nomad]

You really know about DEADPOOL don't you.:)

hehe, of course not. I just really, really enjoy it(-: My roommate was too cool to read comic books, or some such nonsense, but he caved to peer pressure. and I owe it all to DEADPOOL! Now we can discuss comics for hours! It's like recess all over again!

Maybe I'll write "Dear Deadpool" and ask if he's ever used his narrative boxes as weapons.

[Ult. Fireboy]

I'll look for your name in the Dear Deadpool page.:D :)

[Nomad]

I'll look for your name in the Dear Deadpool page.:D :)

I'm not sure I'd sign it Nomad. Although fabian did write that weird jack monroe nomad series where nomad carries around a baby on his back. That was craaaazy. So crazy, that I seem to have all of the issues. He sure loved that baby

[Ult. Fireboy]

I don't think I ever read those.

[Nomad]

I got the whole mini-series from a bargain bin at some collectables store. I always like the idea of a Nomad character, but I hate jack monroe. Its gotta be either Cap or the real bucky. So many buckys! The baby was named bucky, too...

[Ult. Fireboy]

How many issues were there and what was it called?

[Nomad]

I dunno, I think there is only one Nomad mini-series. Look it up on wikipedia or some other comic site. If you are really interested, PM me. I'd dig it out now, but I'm afraid of getting too off-topic and angering the mods. How I fear them! Please spare me a warning, I know that what I've done is wrong, and I promise to never do it again!

On a related matter, I'd like to see an issue of Deadpool where he carries around a baby on his back (nice save, Nomad). That'd be... killer

(ok, also I think I got the Nomad mini-series confused with the ongoing. But they are both Nicieza, I think, so big dif.)

[Ult. Fireboy]

Cable Deadpool 32 comes out September 27. Can't wait for the battle. How many times have they fought?:confused: :)

[Bobster777]

Cable Deadpool 32 comes out September 27. Can't wait for the battle. How many times have they fought?:confused: :)
They've sparred before. ha ha, Cable got the last hit in. Pretty hilarious.

I doubt they will go all out when they fight. They will probably come to a mutual understanding.

[ivesaidway2much]

They've sparred before. ha ha, Cable got the last hit in. Pretty hilarious.

I doubt they will go all out when they fight. They will probably come to a mutual understanding.
Ugh. God, I hope not. I hope it ends similar to their last fight where Cable blew Wade's brains out. That in my opinion is how every superhero fight should end.

[rwsmith]

So apparently I'm not the only one annoyed by Cable's whole self-proclaimed messiah schtick.

You know what would be a really cool twist IMO? If it turned out that all of Cable's trips to the future and back have actually warped his mind and driven him insane so that, despite the fact that he thinks he's saving the future, he's actually just delusional and ends up making things worse. Then the X-men would have to get together and try to put him down, and they'd have to fight not only Nathan, but his misguided followers as well.

Honestly, I could see him being the X-men's next big nemesis. He's only about a half-step away from Magneto's philosophy of imposing his will on the rest of the world as it is.

[drinkblatzbeer]

My only complaint was the portrayal of the President. I don't think it was really a Bush thing specifically, though it was pretty obviously Bush, but it was disappointing. I'd like to think that the President at least believes the SHRA will ultimately help people. Call me naive, I don't like to think of the President as a completely opportunistic tool, mostly because I really like the West Wing.:D

His comment about the votes in November were a bit confusing...what year is it in the MU? Because a.) Bush can't run again and b.) the next election's not for another two years. That line sealed the deal, for me. The idea that the SHRA is an elaborate ruse to get votes, especially since it's not applicable to the "real world" setting Civil War has been displayed in, seemed a tad weak and annoying. I'm for Registration, and I don't believe there's been a conspiracy to demonize the characters I agree with, but lines like this don't help the situation. Registration would yield great results, but everyone who supports it seems to have an agenda or be a dick.

yeah, your last line has hit it right on the head...
we definitely know who the "bad guys" are in this story...so much for being fair on both sides...

[Ult. Fireboy]

Ugh. God, I hope not. I hope it ends similar to their last fight where Cable blew Wade's brains out. That in my opinion is how every superhero fight should end.
HAte to say it, but I don't think they will fight to the death. They will probably come to an understanding and split. It would be cool if they would fight eachother during a Civil War battle.:)

[ivesaidway2much]

HAte to say it, but I don't think they will fight to the death. They will probably come to an understanding and split. It would be cool if they would fight eachother during a Civil War battle.:)
You misunderstood me. Putting a bullet in Deadpool's head isn't fatal(he's got an insane healing factor). I just think splattering his brains across the President and the walls of the Oval Office is a really cool way to end a fight.

[Ult. Fireboy]

That's true! I forgot about his healing factor.:o :rolleyes: :cool:

[Nomad]

Cable would be a bitchin' villain. But like I keep saying, he's more like Zemo every issue, (or is Zemo more like Cable?). Their rhetoric is getting pretty out there.
As for "Fair on both sides," nothing rarely is when there is only one author. I prefer a point of view, otherwise you end up with a side being presented without the writer's heart in it. Of course, predictably, I didn't vote for Bush, so maybe I'm proving your point for you:)

sorry about the grammar, btw. I'm lazy and haven't taken an english class in like six years

[Ult. Fireboy]

I think the author should put the hero in the group he has kinda always agreed with.:)
for some reason, I always thought that Cable would be a good villain. He looks like one. Deadpool too!

[RonnieThunderbolts]

There was one Nomad mini that was 4 issues by Fabian, and also a 28 issue ongoing written by him as well. Cap is my favorite character, and I loved Nomad. I'll miss Jack Monroe, but Brubaker is telling a good story with Bucky, so its not so bad.

[Nomad]

Yeah, Monroe even squared-off against Deadpool once. I can't seem to remember how that turned out. I try to block out all the memories of his horrible drifter costume.

I was pretty shocked to find out that Nomad and Cap duked it out in my hometown. I'm still searching for that hidden S.H.I.E.L.D. installation

[Ult. Fireboy]

I've got to read Brubaker's Cap. Keep looking for that SHIELD installment! LOL:D :) :D :cool:

[Deadpooligan]

I think the author should put the hero in the group he has kinda always agreed with.:)
for some reason, I always thought that Cable would be a good villain. He looks like one. Deadpool too!

Deadpool's been a villain during his two-year existence before '93 (when he turned anti-hero), and '97 when he turned into the merc we all know and love.

[Ult. Fireboy]

I have never followed Cable or Deadpool. I thought Deadpool was bad.:)

[BigBoss]

I have never followed Cable or Deadpool. I thought Deadpool was bad.:)
me too I always thought he was a villain.

[Ult. Fireboy]

I'm taking he is.:confused: :confused: :confused:

[Nomad]

As it was said above, Deadpool is an anti-hero, like punisher or namor, (I consider namor an anti-hero). Even Venom became an anti hero for a while. It means he's kinda like Han Solo(-:

[Ult. Fireboy]

Okay. Will Deadpool be fighting with the Pro-Regs in Civil War battles or is he just a bounty hunter? I know Cable fights with Cap.:)

[Nomad]

"He's just doing what he's supposed to." Who cares what side he's on? Wade doesn't. Cable doesn't really care either, since he could force him. If you read what the great lakes avengers did to deadpool, you'll know he's kinda a non-threat. I'm sure Cable knows this.

Oh, and PLEASE don't tell Wade that I said he was a non-threat. I doubt he reads message boards, unless he has his own website somewhere. I don't want him coming to my house, slaughtering myself and my roommates, and then stealing all of our chimichangas,(sp) which I actually have in my freezer right now. Mmm, I think I'll throw one in the microwave before he gets here, maybe he'll spare my life. I'll be all "If I knew you were comin' I'd have baked you a cake! Will a chimichanga do?"

[Ult. Fireboy]

So Deadpool really doesn't care whose side he's on.:evilsmile

[Nomad]

So Deadpool really doesn't care whose side he's on.:evilsmile

No way, Jose. I think he refused to take cable's pay-off 'cause he know that a fight with nate will increase sales.

[Starscream]

Deadpool helps the Pro side basicly cause they pay him and gave him a badge and it gives him the opportunity to beat up some of the anti people and make it legal todo so.

If hed switch to Anti i doubt hed do it only to help cable orso (even tho in the past he helped Cable without getting rewarded) if hed go Anti it would be to beat up certain people on the Pro side (maybe a revenge vs squirl girl)
And asfor the Great Lakes Champions (they changed name) they simply got lucky with beating him.
Deadpool beat them in the past.

@Nomad
Cable cant force Deadpool.
if u mean forcing by using telepathy or whatever i doubt that would work on Deadpool as his brain is in constant regeneration (forgot the term they use for it) wich makes it impossible to read his mind asfar as i remember so it should also make it impossible to controll it.

In the past Cable used to explode Deadpools brain whenever he wanted him stopped so.

edit:
maybe wel see the return of Blind Al and shel simply force DP to go with Anti or whatever.

[Nomad]

Deadpool helps the Pro side basicly cause they pay him and gave him a badge and it gives him the opportunity to beat up some of the anti people and make it legal todo so.

If hed switch to Anti i doubt hed do it only to help cable orso (even tho in the past he helped Cable without getting rewarded) if hed go Anti it would be to beat up certain people on the Pro side (maybe a revenge vs squirl girl)
And asfor the Great Lakes Champions (they changed name) they simply got lucky with beating him.
Deadpool beat them in the past.

@Nomad
Cable cant force Deadpool.
if u mean forcing by using telepathy or whatever i doubt that would work on Deadpool as his brain is in constant regeneration (forgot the term they use for it) wich makes it impossible to read his mind asfar as i remember so it should also make it impossible to controll it.

In the past Cable used to explode Deadpools brain whenever he wanted him stopped so.

edit:
maybe wel see the return of Blind Al and shel simply force DP to go with Anti or whatever.

Can't we both be right?:) The point is, Cable vs. Deadpool can't hurt sales
I just mean that Cable has taken Wade's personality into account, and is likely to have the means to lead/sway him. I'm not saying it's always gonna work for cable, in fact, I see an inevitable trainwreck up ahead. This partnership can't last forever. Nate is too... insane. Wade is too... f***ing insane. Or maybe the word is "unstable"

[Omega Alpha]

So apparently I'm not the only one annoyed by Cable's whole self-proclaimed messiah schtick.

You know what would be a really cool twist IMO? If it turned out that all of Cable's trips to the future and back have actually warped his mind and driven him insane so that, despite the fact that he thinks he's saving the future, he's actually just delusional and ends up making things worse. Then the X-men would have to get together and try to put him down, and they'd have to fight not only Nathan, but his misguided followers as well.

Honestly, I could see him being the X-men's next big nemesis. He's only about a half-step away from Magneto's philosophy of imposing his will on the rest of the world as it is.

I'm OK with him playing messiah, but i like your idea.

[steve2275]

i have to pee

[Mjolnir]

well i've thought Pym would be the fatality...but he was on Thor's side, so...
...and i doubt it will be Hercules, because he's just a constant classic hero...
...so i'm afraid it'll be Goliath. While Herc has been a constant guest in many comics (and his own solo mini - good), Goliath has only just been injected back into storylines. Plus the MU doesn't need that many 'growing' supes.

And i think it'd be too obvious that Herc died after we see him take that bolt in #3. Otherwise it's not the big surprise #4 has been relying on, and i doubt they would have put in their solicits that someone died in that issue if it was shown in the previous one.

Or it could be Falcon? Falcon could be a goner? He could have been flying when Thor went all electrical...
zzzzaaapp

[bjtrdff]

They may have wanted Tim Meadows, but they got the Falcon. And ya damn well better respect the Falcon.

Of course, I don't really have any powers.....man, my costume sucks!!









That aside, It doesn't seem like Cable is getting much in the way of civil war props. Realistically, he's probably the most powerful anti reg hero.

[XPac]

They may have wanted Tim Meadows, but they got the Falcon. And ya damn well better respect the Falcon.

Of course, I don't really have any powers.....man, my costume sucks!!









That aside, It doesn't seem like Cable is getting much in the way of civil war props. Realistically, he's probably the most powerful anti reg hero.


He really is. I'm kind of suprised Iron Man's forces didn't try to shoot him when they sprung their little trap. With his bodyslide trick he's a potential teleporter as well as their teams heavy hitter.

[Crimson]

This arc has been the best one in a while.

I loved the scene with the duct tape, the toilet humour, the fight at the start... it all ruled!

[Ult. Fireboy]

I loved how they showed about three pages of Deadpool duct taped.:) I liked how he used the line, " I gotta pee", about 4 times. It was agreat comic altogether.:D

[Bobster777]

This arc has been the best one in a while.

I loved the scene with the duct tape, the toilet humour, the fight at the start... it all ruled!
Yeah, it was great to see all the humor along with the serious stuff.

[Mjolnir]

he looked like a giant coccoon...

[slaydo]

Issue 31 was classic!

Fabian is putting out hands down the best comic today. It has the perfect blend of everything in it. Endless humor

and Dark Melodrama, and powerful characterization all rolled into one.

Any one think how awesome it was cable went nose to nose with the President of the United States over the issue. No

congressional or Shield middlemen...straight to the top!

I was a bit disappointed by Deadpool being able to handle the Prince of Power so easily, albeit indirectly, since

Hercules was once potentially more powerful than Thor until he fell to the consequences of some badly written

depowerment, bu it was more of an agility thing than a strength thing, so I can forgive it.

Cable going straight to the President lets you know know how powerful he still is even with out Nate Grey level

TK....b#%chslapping the Secret Service and the GI JOES wannabes that tried to take him on.....totally cool!

And then Deadpool once again breaks into the powerful melodrama with......."I have to pee."(UTTERLY PRICELESS.)

It seems like Fabs got a little upset about MARKS comments, but I can't blame him. There's no telling what Cable

knows abou the future, the recent revealing that he once wielded Captain America's shield in the future-past was an

awesome revelation to me.

I wouldn't say that Cable was a mouthpiece for Nicieza's politcal views since I don't know them, but so what if it

found its way into the story. Cable and Deadpool is the best comic book being put out today....period....New

Avengers was close for a while, Iron Man too, but none of the other X-books, with their gratuitous wolverine

appearances, lousy character portrayals(Blood of Apocalypse was weak, c'mon, some Sentinels and some mediocre teams

of X-men take down Celestial-tech?) can touch cable and deadpool.

I think the portrayal of the President was accurate. When you look at what's happening in this country, do you see

a person that has helped the American people more often than he's failed them. I don't. The gulf coast response

was abominable, THE CUTTING OF STUDENT FINANCIAL AID FUNDS BY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS in order to finance a WAR for

control of a failing natural resource is even worse. The inequities in the criminal-justice system are

horrible.....I know all the blame cant be laid at his feet, but I don't see him out to change things for the BETTER.

I think he said it all himself when said it was about mid-term votes to keep his politcial cronies in power to

support his policies.



And let's not even get started on the Patriot Act. If you ask me the portrayal of the president is on target with

the realism of how darker this world is becoming in a country where the monetary gap between the rich and poor

continues to grow despite all the supposed changes to this society.


I'm still waiting to see how powerful Cable is with that gravimetric cone of silence tech he's got....I think it

might not even modern day tech but probably confiscated tech from time travelers like Kang or such...or maybe even

alien hardware....we'll see.

But if Cable and Deadpool make it to issue #100, and I'm really praying it does, I will prize it above even the

entirety of volume 3 of the Avengers and the second half of Vol 3 of the Justice League(post morrison)

Until deadpool scores with BEA arthur, make mine Cable and Deadpool!

[FabianNicieza]

Issue 31 was classic!

But if Cable and Deadpool make it to issue #100, and I'm really praying it does, I will prize it above even the entirety of volume 3 of the Avengers and the second half of Vol 3 of the Justice League(post morrison)

Until deadpool scores with BEA arthur, make mine Cable and Deadpool!


I can't guarantee up to #100, but we're good to go for another year as the little train that could keeps chugging along.

-- fabian

[Starscream]

I can't guarantee up to #100, but we're good to go for another year as the little train that could keeps chugging along.

-- fabian

:D Great as Cable & Deadpool got me interested in Comics again after not caring and not buying for a good while.


shortly after the series started i was at a comic store in germany to pic up some things a cousin ordered.
I browsed threw the comics cause it took a while and picked up a Cable and Deadpool . ended up buying it and making a subscription to it later. now i got 5 series on my pull lists again :) so DP got me hooked again.

btw could we get a big ass fight were Dp whoops even more ass? as to many people seem to underestimate him.

[Tony_Clifton]

I can't even begin to tell people how happy I am that I decided that buying civil war is my reintroduction to marvel comics.....I never would have read CaD or the Thunderbolts both of which are now on my monthly list.....keep up the great work

[Crimson]

I can't guarantee up to #100, but we're good to go for another year as the little train that could keeps chugging along.

-- fabian

You got renewed past #34?

So is that #46 or 12 issues from now?

[slaydo]

Fabs, any plans for the Silver Surfer to make an appearance again any time soon? I know he doesn't really run with cable's crowd, but they are killing me with this awful Annihilation story. Did you know they've allowed Annihilus to capture Galactus? Galactus? The same guy that none of the races in the universe have been able to stand up against with some big time cosmic help!

Any chance of a galactus appearance? Deadpool did say he considers him the greatest threat to Earth?

Or what about Thundra?(I know that's a stretch, but you're good at using obscure but incredible characters well.)

And Cable's gotta have some words for Surf after getting the smack laid down on him by the Power Cosmic.

[moebius]

I actually really hated the back end of this issue, which is something I can't usually say.

1. Cable is the provisional leader of not one, but two sovereign entities. For the President to tell someone to "arrest him!" will create a major international incident. Though it wasn't very nice of Cable to teleport directly to the Oval Office.

2. The Pro-Reg side of the argument is treated with even less dignity than it has in the main title. Who cares about dictatorship in fifty years...it's all about voters today! Yeah, great way to argue your point. The Prez basically comes off looking like an authoritarian opportunist.

Didn't buy that exchange at all. Hopefully next month will be better.

[Omega Alpha]

I actually really hated the back end of this issue, which is something I can't usually say.

1. Cable is the provisional leader of not one, but two sovereign entities. For the President to tell someone to "arrest him!" will create a major international incident. Though it wasn't very nice of Cable to teleport directly to the Oval Office.

2. The Pro-Reg side of the argument is treated with even less dignity than it has in the main title. Who cares about dictatorship in fifty years...it's all about voters today! Yeah, great way to argue your point. The Prez basically comes off looking like an authoritarian opportunist.

Didn't buy that exchange at all. Hopefully next month will be better.

About #1: Is Cable recognized officially as leader of any of this nations?

But i agree about #2.

[Starscream]

About #1: Is Cable recognized officially as leader of any of this nations?




officially recognized as leader of 1 (providence).
the 2nd oneused ot have a dictator wich got killed by domino. After those events Cable took position as new leader of that country (forgot the name of the country).
If the UN and other countrys officially recognize him as leader of the 2nd country i dunno but i guess they do.

[moebius]

officially recognized as leader of 1 (providence).
the 2nd oneused ot have a dictator wich got killed by domino. After those events Cable took position as new leader of that country (forgot the name of the country).
If the UN and other countrys officially recognize him as leader of the 2nd country i dunno but i guess they do.

Well, the President called him "President Cable", which would imply that he at least recognizes what is going on in Rumekistan.

[XPac]

2. The Pro-Reg side of the argument is treated with even less dignity than it has in the main title. Who cares about dictatorship in fifty years...it's all about voters today! Yeah, great way to argue your point. The Prez basically comes off looking like an authoritarian opportunist.



Yeah... if there was one gripe I had it was with the potrayal of the president. I'm not an uber Bush supporter or anything, but he did come off at least in my opinion looking way too unamerican. Whatever criticism I have against Bush, I can't see him or any other president acting that way.

I don't know if that's the writers attitudes about the real life president filtering through or if it's just more convinient storywise to have him acting like an authoritarian opportunist, but because he has Bush's face it's kind of hard to seperate the two.

[slaydo]

I don't understand why some people are saying about Bush's portrayal being off.

Does lying about Weapons of Mass destruction seem dark and selfish to you?

What about the funding that was diverted from student financial aid to help fund the war?

Or the horrible response to the Gulf coast incident because so many resources were in Iraq?

I could easily see Bush as coming off as selfish and malevolent as shown in here.


And what about people being detained without due process like what's going on right now in this country at this very minute??? -Isn't that greatly similar to the things going on in Civil War?

Maybe people know something I don't, but the Prez as portrayed in Cable and Deadpool seems pretty dead on to me...except he is a little smarter and eloquent than Bush.

[XPac]

I don't understand why some people are saying about Bush's portrayal being off.

Does lying about Weapons of Mass destruction seem dark and selfish to you?

What about the funding that was diverted from student financial aid to help fund the war?

Or the horrible response to the Gulf coast incident because so many resources were in Iraq?

I could easily see Bush as coming off as selfish and malevolent as shown in here.


And what about people being detained without due process like what's going on right now in this country at this very minute??? -Isn't that greatly similar to the things going on in Civil War?

Maybe people know something I don't, but the Prez as portrayed in Cable and Deadpool seems pretty dead on to me...except he is a little smarter and eloquent than Bush.


The problem with using a real life human being in a comicbook is that they start acting like comic book characters.

Real life human beings don't start monologing.... the won't admit to someone busting into their office that they are laying the foundation of a dictatorship just to get votes. Even if that's what they're doing, they won't say it to someone busting into their office.

That's the part I guess we agree to disagree on... you're arguing that the president was a little smarter and more eloquent. I'd argue the reverse... no real life person is stupid enough to admit to that to someone that just busted into their office. Why would they? Even if they were thinking it, they wouldn't outright say it.

[TotalWorldDomination]

I don't understand why some people are saying about Bush's portrayal being off.

Does lying about Weapons of Mass destruction seem dark and selfish to you?

What about the funding that was diverted from student financial aid to help fund the war?

Or the horrible response to the Gulf coast incident because so many resources were in Iraq?

I could easily see Bush as coming off as selfish and malevolent as shown in here.


And what about people being detained without due process like what's going on right now in this country at this very minute??? -Isn't that greatly similar to the things going on in Civil War?

Maybe people know something I don't, but the Prez as portrayed in Cable and Deadpool seems pretty dead on to me...except he is a little smarter and eloquent than Bush.

A) If you portray bush as you veiw him, it imbalances the series even more. When you promise balence, you can't have the "Normal" allies be presented as evil.

B) not everyone veiws bush as you do. To present him like you sugest would alienate people and compleatly distract from the story, since all people would talk about is how bush was portrayed in the comic.

C) he's not portrayed pretty well in C&D 32.

D) this sort of thing just invites arguments to break out.

[slaydo]

I don't expect everyone to see Bush as I do. That's why I said there was nothing wrong with his portrayal in MY opinion.

I just presented real life facts to the case that the portrayal of him is accurate from those facts when people were saying he was portrayed as un-American.

And supporting the holding of people imprisoned without due process is American?

And I think the Prez made the Pro reg side's case pretty well when he said that Americans needed to be protected from Superhuman threats Now, so it wasn't unbalanced when it came to arguing the Pro reg side.

As for the monologuing about the 50 state initiative, he did say Cable got him riled up, and everyone knows that it's when people get the angriest that the unavoidable truth comes out. At least that's how I interpret.