What punishment for the Anti-Regs?

[Aztec Ace]

So let's say that the Pro-regs win the Civil War. And they capture most or all of the Anti-Reg superheroes.

What happens to those Anti-Regs that refuse to register? Imprisonment for life in the Negative Zone? Fined and released? Brainwashed and conditioned to obey the Government? Serve jail time and released? Have their powers taken away from them? What?

And is any of that legal?

[Markavian]

So let's say that the Pro-regs win the Civil War. And they capture most or all of the Anti-Reg superheroes.

What happens to those Anti-Regs that refuse to register? Imprisonment for life in the Negative Zone? Fined and released? Brainwashed and conditioned to obey the Government? Serve jail time and released? Have their powers taken away from them? What?

And is any of that legal?They have done.I imagine those who sign to accept SHRA and who havent broken Minors out of jail or were involved in Stamford will have an Easier time of it if they cooperate.Speedball has contributed to the death of over 600 people and killed the two people who found him so he is looking at hard time and maybe being stripped of his powers if he doesnt cop a plea.Captain America is in equallly hot water..we'll have to see how this plays out but as Millar Said " The Days of the Wild Wild West are comming to an End in the MU .In The old Days They made the Gunslingers Sheriffs and made then not quite so eager to kill people. "

[Aztec Ace]

..as Millar Said " The Days of the Wild Wild West are comming to an End in the MU ."


Tis a Dark time in the Marvel Universe then. *bows head*

[XPac]

Tis a Dark time in the Marvel Universe then. *bows head*

Millar likes writing things in dark times. Works for him.

That said, I don't think it will be quite as dark as this. I think change may happen... but the registration as it is NOW probably won't last Civil War. It's a good idea that been twisted into an abomination because it was created by the wrong people for the wrong reasons. I think a watered down version of it may still exist in Marvel down the line that can end the Wild West without the Marvel U superhuman community needing to goose step down the streets of NYC.

As for what happens to the anti's if the pro side wins... they should probably go through due process like any other person breaking a law. They shouldn't have to do any more or any less than any other metahuma criminal they capture. Lock them up, give them a fair trial.

[Alpow]

Since it's a draft, unless they consent to signing up it will be life without parole.

[Jmacq1]

Yeah, I have little interest in reading about "supercops" vs. "Superheroes".

Or more accurately: I already read "Stormwatch" before.

As it stands right now, what the Pro-Reg side is doing is not even remotely legal according to the constitution.

They're locking people up in a cruel and unusual environment without trial. 'nuff said.

[Calybos]

Since they've taken the initial steps toward fascism, I imagine prison camps (with surreptitious abuse and torture) won't be far behind.

And then the government's Sentinels will start wiping out all superhumans who defy them, and only a few mutants will escape to start a resistance movement, and a young Kitty Pryde will appear from the past, and...

Hey! I already read this story!

[Gregg Helmberger]

Since it's a draft, unless they consent to signing up it will be life without parole.

Oddly enough, that's exactly the same sentence they get if they do sign up.

[scottv]

I can't wait to see what happens after CIvil War. I really can't even begin to guess what the stories will turn out to be after CW.

[Aztec Ace]

I can't wait to see what happens after CIvil War. I really can't even begin to guess what the stories will turn out to be after CW.

I think the only hero to come out of the Civil War with his/her integrity intact will be Ben Grimm. He has been the only Superhero that has any common sense in this whole thing so far.

[Jmacq1]

I think the only hero to come out of the Civil War with his/her integrity intact will be Ben Grimm. He has been the only Superhero that has any common sense in this whole thing so far.

As much as I hate to admit it, Wolverine's been pretty decent about things, too. Or at least focused on getting the -real- bad guys.

[Aztec Ace]

As much as I hate to admit it, Wolverine's been pretty decent about things, too. Or at least focused on getting the -real- bad guys.

Very true. I would add Wolverine to the list as well.

[Gregg Helmberger]

As much as I hate to admit it, Wolverine's been pretty decent about things, too. Or at least focused on getting the -real- bad guys.

We've reached a point where Wolverine is the voice of reason. I...I...AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Gregg's mind snaps and he flees into the night, gibbering incomprehensibly

[Alpow]

Oddly enough, that's exactly the same sentence they get if they do sign up.

Indeed, although they get to spend it in North Dakota or wherever instead of the Negative Zone (whether North Dakota is better than the negative zone is of course up for debate :D ).

In other words they get to choose whether they want a gilded cage or a regular one.

[Omega Alpha]

We've reached a point where Wolverine is the voice of reason. I...I...AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Gregg's mind snaps and he flees into the night, gibbering incomprehensibly

I second that hahaha

[Violently Apathetic]

Very true. I would add Wolverine to the list as well.

How about Misty Knight? She and the Heroes for Hire group have basically said they are only going after black hats and refuse to go after unregistred former heroes.

[Gregg Helmberger]

Indeed, although they get to spend it in North Dakota or wherever instead of the Negative Zone (whether North Dakota is better than the negative zone is of course up for debate :D ).

In other words they get to choose whether they want a gilded cage or a regular one.

Well, yeah. It's still a life sentence of involuntary servitude because you're a SHIELD employee, subject to whatever they feel like giving you, and you get to quit when you die.

Having spent considerable time in North Dakota, I'd choose the Negative Zone.

[IamtheRock3]

unless they get someone killed

Should be any less then say a meta bank robber


Court, Fair trial, regualr Jail, no negative Zone

[Jeff-E]

A good fitting punishment for the Anti-Regs? If they are all captured or loose, make them all register, then if the story is going where I think it may, the government won't do any thing shady. How much would that impact Cap and the rest if they registered and it pretty well ended at that? They helped create this big animosity towards hero's and this great tension in the national comunity, and in the end what they were fighting for and against just didn't exist.

[Francis]

A good fitting punishment for the Anti-Regs? If they are all captured or loose, make them all register, then if the story is going where I think it may, the government won't do any thing shady.

You mean won't do anything else shady?

[Xanrn]

Yeah SHIELD is corrupt and the American goverment is the gimp of the big Companies.

[Mr.Musgrave]

Yeah SHIELD is corrupt and the American goverment is the gimp of the big Companies.


Hooray Capitalism!

[Markavian]

A good fitting punishment for the Anti-Regs? If they are all captured or loose, make them all register, then if the story is going where I think it may, the government won't do any thing shady. How much would that impact Cap and the rest if they registered and it pretty well ended at that? They helped create this big animosity towards hero's and this great tension in the national comunity, and in the end what they were fighting for and against just didn't exist.While at times the US Goverment is a blundering Behemoth that makes mistakes it is by and large a Force for Good ..Law Order Prosparity Justice and liberty..The World both in the MU and in our Own would be far darker places without the US Goverment . And American Capitalism is also an equal force for human advancement while it is by no means perfect. Much maligned by those who hate freedom Captalism is a driving force for positive change in the World..Socialism is not.;)

[Francis]

Much maligned by those who hate freedom Captalism is a driving force for positive change in the World..Socialism is not.;)

Interesting that you support Nationalisation of Super-Humans then.

[Mr.Musgrave]

Interesting that you support Nationalisation of Super-Humans then.


Exactly my point...though Francis posted it in a less snarky manner than I did. The hypocritical nature of his arguments is mind-boggling.

[XPac]

A good fitting punishment for the Anti-Regs? If they are all captured or loose, make them all register, then if the story is going where I think it may, the government won't do any thing shady. How much would that impact Cap and the rest if they registered and it pretty well ended at that? They helped create this big animosity towards hero's and this great tension in the national comunity, and in the end what they were fighting for and against just didn't exist.

Well, I don't know how it would impact Cap and his crew, but I know how it would impact a lot of comic book readers who ended up spending money and time on a series about absolutely nothing.

You can't end the series in a way which makes one side completely right or completely wrong. Do that, and the whole intellectual debate they created will have been meaningless. There has to be a point from BOTH sides in order for Civil War to truelly have meaning. It can have a winner and a loser, but it can't have one side 100% right. That would be a slap in the face to the very foundation of the book.

[Markavian]

Interesting that you support Nationalisation of Super-Humans then.
Like anyone else. We all could be drafted tomorrow if a war broke out .Those of us with the most needed skills or abilities would be drafted first ,Why should Superhumans be any different from anyone else with a draft hanging over our heads? I think they will be placed in a Ready Reserve or something simular ..Which would be a good thing as long as its not abused for a Politicans Pet Peeves . But what happened to Wonderman in Frontline 5 is fine as it involves national security and peoples lives are at risk,The Draft in one form or another has been used in the USA for decades even when we were not aware of it. Its a means to aid national defense and mobolize in time of emergancy.Its a good and neccessary thing ,Even in a free country.:)

[Francis]

Like anyone else. We all could be drafted tomorrow if a war broke out .Those of us with the most needed skills or abilities would be drafted first ,Why should Superhumans be any different from anyone else with a draft hanging over our heads? I think they will be placed in a Ready Reserve or something simular ..Which would be a good thing as long as its not abused for a Politicans Pet Peeves . But what happened to Wonderman in Frontline 5 is fine as it involves national security and peoples lives are at risk,The Draft in one form or another has been used in the USA for decades even when we were not aware of it. Its a means to aid national defense and mobolize in time of emergancy.Its a good and neccessary thing ,Even in a free country.:)

Ah, so you support a mixed economy with the government having direct power over the citizens for the protection of those citizens from a wide range of threats, but the citizens themselves having a reasonable degree of freedom. And greater restrictions and burdens placed on the more powerful. Welcome to European-style socialism. Next you'll be arguing for a purely federally funded healthcare system to save the lives of Americans from diseases :)

[Mr.Musgrave]

Ah, so you support a mixed economy with the government having direct power over the citizens for the protection of those citizens from a wide range of threats, but the citizens themselves having a reasonable degree of freedom. And greater restrictions and burdens placed on the more powerful. Welcome to European-style socialism. Next you'll be arguing for a purely federally funded healthcare system to save the lives of Americans from diseases :)


With logic like that, you're bound to end up with me in "USSR land." Whatever that might be. It must have something to do with being a free thinker. :rolleyes:

[Markavian]

:) Ah, so you support a mixed economy with the government having direct power over the citizens for the protection of those citizens from a wide range of threats, but the citizens themselves having a reasonable degree of freedom. And greater restrictions and burdens placed on the more powerful. Welcome to European-style socialism. Next you'll be arguing for a purely federally funded healthcare system to save the lives of Americans from diseases :)
This is American style Capitalism at its best. Citizens are often called upon to put the National Intrest ahead of self intrests at times..Look at Pat Tilman..I myself know many Lawyers Doctors and Engineers who are serving in the Guard right now at a fraction of the pay they would get in The Private sector because they are protecting that private sector having left cushy jobs to serve out their guard or reserve obligations . No one forced them to sign up as we have had a voluntary military for over 30 years yet they did.But if an emergancy or Larger war (Which I pray doesnt happen but could) Many millions could get called up and sent into harms way.We generally dont force service in America but we sometimes let those whho have broken Laws to work off their offense in Service. :)

[Francis]

:)
This is American style Capitalism at its best. Citizens are often called upon to put the National Intrest ahead of self intrests at times..Look at Pat Tilman..I myself know many Lawyers Doctors and Engineers who are serving in the Guard right now at a fraction of the pay they would get in The Private sector because they are protecting that private sector having left cushy jobs to serve out their guard or reserve obligations . No one forced them to sign up as we have had a voluntary military for over 30 years yet they did.But if an emergancy or Larger war (Which I pray doesnt happen but could) Many millions could get called up and sent into harms way.We generally dont force service in America but we sometimes let those whho have broken Laws to work off their offense in Service. :)

It's also what's usually meant by "Socialism", particularly here in Europe - the alternative systems are pure capitalism and pure communism.

[Omega Alpha]

Well, I don't know how it would impact Cap and his crew, but I know how it would impact a lot of comic book readers who ended up spending money and time on a series about absolutely nothing.

You can't end the series in a way which makes one side completely right or completely wrong. Do that, and the whole intellectual debate they created will have been meaningless. There has to be a point from BOTH sides in order for Civil War to truelly have meaning. It can have a winner and a loser, but it can't have one side 100% right. That would be a slap in the face to the very foundation of the book.

Amen to that. Both sides have a point, and in both there are heroes we care about fighting for the cause they believe in. End up as one side being the angels and the others demons would be wrong, and would damage very much everyone on the losers side.