Just Read House of M. What did you think?

[Ult. Fireboy]

I just read the House of M series. I thought it was pretty good. It was cool to find out what some of Marvel's Heroes biggest dreams were. I didn't know Wanda was THAT powerful though. Tell me what you thought.

[Cayman]

It was a very cool series with beautiful art, however I wish it had been longer to give more characters page time.

Cay

[beyond]

I really liked House of M. I think Marvel did a good job at not having to read the tie ins to get exactly what was happening with the story. most of the minis and tie ins were just side stories. Id say the only one that really stood out in my mind was Spider-Man House of M.

Ive read the main miniseries a few times now, and i think it will hold up years from now as an entertaining, self contained story.

[Zenith23]

I like it,the art was great the story ok but i liked even more it didn't rely on endless tie ins.

[Sean Whitmore]

I thought it was a perfectly good 3-part story that was stretched out to 8 issues. And that the ending was more than a little anticlimactic. And that, in hindsight, the entire series was little more than a prologue for a more important story.


SEAN

[BigBoss]

I am going to go pick up house of M tommorow.

[scottv]

I thought that it was well writen and I really enjoyed it

[Soundrave]

It was a very cool series with beautiful art, however I wish it had been longer to give more characters page time.



You must be the Bizarro-World version of me.

Well, I do agree about the art.

[Joe Acro]

I thought that it was well writen and I really enjoyed it
I think I'll agree with this sentiment. Though the writing could have been a little better, I think House of M, ignoring the Scarlet Witch, is a better series than Civil War.

[Gargus]

Good concept that was poorly executed.

The basic story was good but I thought it had to much filler. I mean if your going to do something this big it needs more substance to it. Bascially up to going after wanda and the last issue was good, everything in between was a waste. Ok so you get to see heroes in their fantasy land and such but it meant nothing really to the actual story.

And the vehicle they used to bring back memories with the little girl was a poor attempt, it just seemed generic "oh this is wandas doing she made the girl because she wanted help" and that was it, just seemed lame and really really convienant, enough to make reed richards plot holes seem plauseable.

In the end I thought the writing was not very good but what mattered was the after effects of the story. So I didnt mind to much it kind of sucked, I was glad mutants were a minority again. Hell lately everyone was a damn mutant, they were to easy to explain "oh yeah suddenly I got these powers, Im a mutant" you could just invent whatever you wanted without having to give them a back story like iron man or the hulk, all you had to do was say they were mutant and it was pretty brainless.

[geordiesteve]

I think it was given a lot of hype, and it was a big let down. Nice art but bad execution, as mentioned by others. It was good for one thing, it reduced the number of mutants and it paved the way for Civil War, but as a standalone series, it was pretty flat and lifeless. Stripping some of the heroes of their powers and making them normal was good, but not if you then go and change them back into mutants about 2 months down the line. What's the point? I'm looking at you Bendis and you Magneto!!!!!

[ThePhenom]

I really enjoyed it, I mean regardless of the controversy it's still a fun read and I didn't think it was anticlimatic, maybe with Magneto but "no more mutants" was awesome.

Some scenes really stood out too, Layla going around to each person was really quite interesting I thought...

[PastePotPete]

I liked it, and what it did for the Marvel U, but it had problems that kept me from loving it.

I started reading the single issues, but stopped because I got frustrated. Why? Because the bulk of issue 3 was a recap of the first two issues. The long recap conversation between Wolverine and the resistance, topped off by the extremely convenient appearance of Layla Miller made me scream "Bullsh**!" and I dropped the book.

Later, I got really into X-Factor and found myself really enjoying the Son of M miniseries, so I thought I'd go back and get the House of M trade. I like to lend my comics to friends and I wanted them to be able to get the whole story. It read better in trade format. The long conversation with Wolverine seemed like a SCENE rather than an ISSUE. Layla Miller's presence was explained by Dr. Strange (Wanda created her) although that still didn't stop the character from being a deus ex machina.

Bendis needs to stop with the decompression (issue-long conversations) and the deus ex machinas (Quake at the end of the last New Avengers arc).

I'd say it was a fascinating idea, but flawed in execution. The end result of less mutants is a good one, and I love how Peter David has tied the storyline into X-Factor. He's even fixed all the problems with Layla Miller. They should have gotten him to write House of M in the first place, even if it wasn't his idea.

[Jolly Mon]

I thought it was a mess. Although it was an excellent primer on how to write a decompressed story. The poster who stated it was a 3 part story streched to 8 had it right. Things were pulled out of left field, the ending was lame, and in the end it was just another of the "all-powerful bad guy creates alternate reality and shoves heroes into other versions of themselves that don't know it isn't real". Just reminds me of bad 90's crossovers.

[Shellhead]

I thought it was a mess. Although it was an excellent primer on how to write a decompressed story. The poster who stated it was a 3 part story streched to 8 had it right. Things were pulled out of left field, the ending was lame, and in the end it was just another of the "all-powerful bad guy creates alternate reality and shoves heroes into other versions of themselves that don't know it isn't real". Just reminds me of bad 90's crossovers.

Sean Whitmore is the poster who stated that House of M was a 3-part story stretched out to 8 parts. I highly recommend that you scroll back up to his post and click on "Fanboy Productions" in his signature, then look for the two "House of W" icons. Sean did an excellent job of poking fun at House of M.

[XPac]

It had its share of flaws, but overall I enjoyed the story.

There were some pacing issues, but if read in a single sitting as a trade I felt it worked just fine. It was a bit anti-climactic, but the story overall was fun and interesting. And I feel the end results it achieved really helped the MU as a whole.

[mybotisgone]

House of M was a good story but I think it was a good story that should have never been. When it was over it left a one hell of a mess. The only good X-Men come is Astonishing X-Men and that it. Most over the other comics seemed to die a slow a painfully death.:(

[Magneto Rocks]

Hmmm... I'm gonna say BAD concept executed WELL, but not great. Firstly; the whole Wanda thing.... any real Avengers fan knows straight away that firstly Disassembled sucked, so having THAT lead into this was.... hmmm... and secondly that Bendis cannot write the Scarlet Witch to save his life ;) So I didn't have high hopes.

Well, the main good points?

No More Mutants was a brilliant idea. Firstly, it actually SHOULD have a major effect on all X-related titles. Secondly, it's something the Marvel Universe desperately needed- there were FAR too many stupid mutants running around with random powers etc, and it needed fixing desperately.

Issue 7 rocked. The Pietro twist was clever, and I hand't seen it coming, and the cliffhanger was really shocking. Plus- my personal favourite part, and I know I can't be the only person who imagined Ian McKellan at this- Magneto going psycho on Pietro. "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE IN MY NAME, BOY?"

Some of the angst etc was great- the Gwen Stacy thing was an interesting twist, and there was the issue of 'should we change it back'?

Some of the tie-ins were great. i select three in particular; though it was a foregone conclusion, House of M: Fantastic Four was a cool 'might-have-been' thing.... I love to see Kristoff and Valeria! Too predictable though. Captain America #10, despite having NO relevance on the final outcome, was my favourite issue of all the House of M ones, because it was written so beautifully and it was so... so... CAPTAIN AMERICA. ;) And Spider-Man, because... Mark Waid wrote it, and Mark Waid rocks.

Bad things?

If you weren't an X-Men, not only did you basically guest-star, but you weren't affected AT ALL afterwards. There was virtually no effort put in to MAKE it affect non X-Men be affected either- a half-hearted Spidey attempt and nothing else for the Avengers.

It was so. Obscenely. Slowl. Issues 1, 2, 3 and 8 were GREAT. The other 4 sucked. Far too damned slow.

I hate Layla Plot Convenience Miller.

Virtually NO-ONE lost their powers. Magneto, Quicksilver, Polari-.... oh wait,t hey all have them back in some fashion. Iceman... never lost his. Etc, etc. This could have been an oppurtunity for real change. It wasn't taken.

And finally... who was the main character? At this UNIVERSE-wide crossover? Who? That's right.... WOLVERINE! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! (Though I must admit, I found it clever the loophole that meant he alone remembered the real world. Until Layla Freaking Miller. ... it made sense, and was very smart.)



Oh, and finally... the X-titles (except Astonishing) flat-out sucked before House of M. It was an excuse to rejuvenate them, breathe new life, make them great again. However... they still suck, by and large. So it kinda failed.

[DDM]

House of M is either one 48 page comic stretched out painfully to 8 issues. It is poorly conceived, poor executed, & made me reject all of Marvel's other crossovers until they hire someone competent enough to actually do the real thing. House of M is all style & no substance.

[brundlefly]

Nice artwork and a potentially interesting concept (what if Magneto got the mutant utopia he always wanted?), but poor writing, bad pacing, and some serious plot holes turn it into AOA-lite. It didn't need to be 7 issues long, too much time is spent focused on Logan (what a surprise), Layla Miller is just another Scarlet Witch-plot device (and at least Scarlet Witch was a preexisting character; Layla just appeared out of thin air), etc. The aftermath has proven to be far more interesting, what with Son of M, X-Factor, Deadly Genesis, the current runs of Brubaker and Carey, and the possible resurrection of Hawkeye.

I still don't get where the murderous rage that the heroes suddenly exhibit after Layla "awakens" them comes from. They've all been in "altered realities with altered memories" before (some of them multiple times), and in this one not only was Mags quite benevolent and his rule bloodless, compared to the likes of Apocalypse or Morganna le Fey, but most of the X-Men and Avengers were quite well off and had gotten what they wanted out of life. All this "Oh God, we have to kill him for this" exposition was so forced and was just Bendis trying to artificially 'up' the drama to make it seem like it was the "biggest fight of their lives."

[mybotisgone]

No More Mutants was more of a half good and half bad idea. Decimation was so much a bad idea. I agree that they needed to get rid of some of the mutants ont there like that of Grant Morrison's but somwhere in Marvel went to fare with it. Not only did they get rid of Grant Morrison's mutants but got rid of most of the other mutants in the never extinction levels. And that is whythe comic now suck. You can't have so many X-titles and not that meny mutants left to write about no matter how many time you look at it.

[Lord S]

I didn't know Wanda was THAT powerful Same here...as far as I knew she had hex powers, and then worked with Agatha Harkass (sp?) and learned chaos power. How she became a reality warper is just beyond me...and I don't think it was ever explained.

As for HoM itself...it was okay. I didn't mind the 'no more mutants', but I'll agree with others in complaining about the pacing of the story. Some of the tie-ins: FF, New Thunderbolts, and Black Pather, were great.

[mybotisgone]

I don't mind the hole "no more mutants" I'm just saying the Marvel took it to fare. Not that there are to little of mutants out there and to many X-titles out there. Why write about mutants now when there are to small a number to write about. Now thire planning on killing even more off now. So now what's the pont. Soon there's going to be 10 X-titles out there and only 5 mutants in the world to write about. I mean the idea was good but Marvel cut to much off and now plan to cut even more off.

And besides this mess led to that turning Gambit in into that evil smurf like Gambit now.:(

[Cayman]

And besides this mess led to that turning Gambit in into that evil smurf like Gambit now.:(

Gambit is not an evil smurf, he's an evil Dark Elf.

Cay

[Cayman]

No More Mutants was more of a half good and half bad idea. Decimation was so much a bad idea. I agree that they needed to get rid of some of the mutants ont there like that of Grant Morrison's but somwhere in Marvel went to fare with it. Not only did they get rid of Grant Morrison's mutants but got rid of most of the other mutants in the never extinction levels. And that is whythe comic now suck. You can't have so many X-titles and not that meny mutants left to write about no matter how many time you look at it.

The comic doesn't suck though. Whedon and Cassaday are rocking on Astonishing. Brubaker's Uncanny is very promising. New X-Men is exciting. X-Factor is full of twists and surprises. And Carey's Adjectiveless is just fantastic. DeciMation reinvigorated the books in many ways.

Cay

[mybotisgone]

evil smurf, evil Dark Elf, samething. like it matters at this pont.:( And what I said on my last post must have really blow over your head. frist of all Astonishing X-Men still is one of the best comic around. Ive only seen Whedon blow it on two storys (Danger room girl robot, and mutant cure.) But bring back Colossus and still writing good storys even that the plots where bad more then made up for it. And yes your right Whedon and Cassaday do rock on Astonishing. As for the others it's not the writers of the artists not to blame for the bad stories coming out. The crapy stories coming out are more Marvel's doing then anything. It the fact that there are to little mutant characters to write about in any of the X-titles. I don't care about who's idea was it to have "no more mutants" but Marvel and Quesada took it to far. Even good writers right now can't put all the characters in their stories because they are depowered or dead.

[geordiesteve]

Sean Whitmore is the poster who stated that House of M was a 3-part story stretched out to 8 parts. I highly recommend that you scroll back up to his post and click on "Fanboy Productions" in his signature, then look for the two "House of W" icons. Sean did an excellent job of poking fun at House of M.

hahaha, I love that House of W stuff, just had a look now, it's excellent, and it's true, the story was stretched massively.

[Joe Acro]

House of M is either one 48 page comic stretched out painfully to 8 issues. It is poorly conceived, poor executed, & made me reject all of Marvel's other crossovers until they hire someone competent enough to actually do the real thing. House of M is all style & no substance.
Is there an "or" in there somewhere?

[Will.S]

This topic keeps on coming up so much that I think it should be stickied somewhere.

[Cayman]

evil smurf, evil Dark Elf, samething. like it matters at this pont.:( And what I said on my last post must have really blow over your head. frist of all Astonishing X-Men still is one of the best comic around. Ive only seen Whedon blow it on two storys (Danger room girl robot, and mutant cure.) But bring back Colossus and still writing good storys even that the plots where bad more then made up for it. And yes your right Whedon and Cassaday do rock on Astonishing. As for the others it's not the writers of the artists not to blame for the bad stories coming out. The crapy stories coming out are more Marvel's doing then anything. It the fact that there are to little mutant characters to write about in any of the X-titles. I don't care about who's idea was it to have "no more mutants" but Marvel and Quesada took it to far. Even good writers right now can't put all the characters in their stories because they are depowered or dead.

Trust me, I doubt there's anything you could say that would blow over my head. Well, maybe the part where you said Whedon has only blown it on two stories, given that he's only written 3 so far.

My point was that the books are not bad. Adjectiveless, Astonishing, New, Uncanny, and X-Factor are all very good books write now. In fact the X-Men franchise as a whole is in great shape right now. There's enough powered mutants to fill 5 really good books, plus New Excalibur, with some left over.

Cay

[Jolly Mon]

Sean Whitmore is the poster who stated that House of M was a 3-part story stretched out to 8 parts. I highly recommend that you scroll back up to his post and click on "Fanboy Productions" in his signature, then look for the two "House of W" icons. Sean did an excellent job of poking fun at House of M.
Just read it and found it far more entertaining than what I paid Marvel for. Thanks.

[Lord S]

Just read it and found it far more entertaining than what I paid Marvel for. Thanks. I second that...it was absolutely hilarious! :D

[Zenith23]

I second that...it was absolutely hilarious! :D

In a slap our selves on the back three guys larfing their asses off in the LCS kinda way.:rolleyes:

[brundlefly]

In a slap our selves on the back three guys larfing their asses off in the LCS kinda way.:rolleyes:

Funny, as that's the vibe I got from several portions of the actual HOUSE OF M.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I just read the House of M series. I thought it was pretty good. It was cool to find out what some of Marvel's Heroes biggest dreams were. I didn't know Wanda was THAT powerful though. Tell me what you thought.

I liked it. It was the perfect world. Magneto ran things peacefully, Doom had his little family and aspirations for awhile, Apocalypse was put in check, Storm was royalty, Spider-Man was happy with his son, and Sentry was nowhere to be found. It was greatness personified. Of course there was gonna be some crying about the story because they all thought it was gonna be predictable with the "Magneto is the bad guy" ending but even he was vindicated by story's end and it was his chidren as the manipulators instead.

[Tennoarashi]

Oh, I liked the actual world that was presented. I think that's probably one of my favourite non-normal-616 worlds, period.

But as a narrative, man did I..... bleh.

[MarcSpector13]

I hope that whwn ever they find the Scarlett Witch they just put her down already and not let her walk away free from things like they did Quicksilver

[Magneto Rocks]

They found Witchie, but there's no need to put her down. She is living with no memory or powers in a small village in Europe.

At least until Bendis digs her up for NA #26 to maul her again.

[Ult. Fireboy]

I agree, If there can be no damege done by her, let her go on living her life.

[Cephus]

I think it was given a lot of hype, and it was a big let down. Nice art but bad execution, as mentioned by others. It was good for one thing, it reduced the number of mutants and it paved the way for Civil War, but as a standalone series, it was pretty flat and lifeless. Stripping some of the heroes of their powers and making them normal was good, but not if you then go and change them back into mutants about 2 months down the line. What's the point? I'm looking at you Bendis and you Magneto!!!!!

That describes all of Marvel's "events" though. All flash, no substance. Good artwork does not fix a horrible story and that's what HoM was, plus the fact that they'll end up retconning it out of existence, just like everything else. Unless the changes in these big "event" stories are going to be permanent, and they never are, then what's the point in reading them to begin with?

[Sean Whitmore]

Unless the changes in these big "event" stories are going to be permanent, and they never are, then what's the point in reading them to begin with?


To enjoy the changes while they're in effect.

You know Doctor Octopus is just going to break out of jail again, so what's the point in reading the story where Spider-Man captures him?


SEAN

[Cephus]

To enjoy the changes while they're in effect.

I find it hard to enjoy something I know is going to be rendered meaningless in another 6 issues.


You know Doctor Octopus is just going to break out of jail again, so what's the point in reading the story where Spider-Man captures him?

After reading about Spider-Man capturing Doc Ock 74 times, only to have him escape, it stops being very interesting After having Phoenix die a couple dozen times, only to come back, after having tings happen that are utterly meaningless in the scheme of an ongoing comic, what's the point? You might as well be reading the same 6 issues over and over and over again. Nothing new happens, nothing changes, everything gets reset and we do it all over again.

No thanks.

[Mia]

Good concept that was poorly executed.

The basic story was good but I thought it had to much filler. I mean if your going to do something this big it needs more substance to it. Bascially up to going after wanda and the last issue was good, everything in between was a waste. Ok so you get to see heroes in their fantasy land and such but it meant nothing really to the actual story.
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I agree. There was way too much of some character comming too and realising who they were. Otherwise I enjoyed it a whole lot. It was a treat seeing Emma being put front and center and being the leader.

[Expletive Deleted]

I find it hard to enjoy something I know is going to be rendered meaningless in another 6 issues.But if they're a good six issues . . .

[Will.S]

A good deal of the House of M stuff (if it wasn't self contained) bled into Marvel which is being seen currently with the Sentinels, Ms. Marvel, Spidey Unmasked, Storm + Black Panther.

[jmc247]

They found Witchie, but there's no need to put her down. She is living with no memory or powers in a small village in Europe.

At least until Bendis digs her up for NA #26 to maul her again.

Who ever said she has no powers or memory?

[Erik Lehnsherr]

^^That won't be revealed until her return in November.

[jmc247]

^^That won't be revealed until her return in November.

Where did you see that interview?

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Nah. I just saw the November preview solicits.

[Ult. Fireboy]

New Avengers 26, the ballad of Clint Barton and Wanda Maximoff, according to Marvel. com.

150th Post!

[Citizen V]

I just read the House of M series. I didn't know Wanda was THAT powerful though. Tell me what you thought.

She is not.Do a quick search and read a number of threads about how Bendis exagerated the Scarlet Witch`s powers.:(

[Ult. Fireboy]

I knew she couldn't be powerful enough to bring Jack Hart back from the dead,order a Kree army to attack, and destroy the Avengers Mansion. I never really understood her powers. I know she is a mutant, but does she have her powers anymore since House Of M?:confused:

[Cayman]

She brought Simon back from the dead.

[Sean Whitmore]

She brought Simon back from the dead.


Yeah, but Simon technically can't die anyway, right?


SEAN

[Cephus]

But if they're a good six issues . . .

Which, unfortunately, they're not. I don't know, I guess I just have a lot higher expectations from an ongoing universe than a couple decent throwaway issues here and there. I expect things to actually MEAN something.

Your mileage may vary.

[kalorama]

Yeah, but Simon technically can't die anyway, right?

Why not/since when? (That's a pretty major technicality.)

[Sean Whitmore]

Why not/since when? (That's a pretty major technicality.)


I think it was established during Busiek's concurrent run on Avengers and Thunderbolts that being of ionic energy, like Simon and Atlas, can't really die in a normal sense. Their energy can be dispersed, but they should usually have the ability to pull themselves back together after awhile.


SEAN

[Ult. Fireboy]

OVerall, I thought that it was very well written.

[rZi]

Well written but a bit plain and un-eventful for my liking. Although i really enjoyed the spider-man and incredible hulk tie-ins, we got to see characters in a different light which is always cool.