Civil War, good but...

[Breadfan]

Ok, like most people, I find this Civil War storyline entertaining and for the most part cool.

But it is starting to lose momentum and "uhmf" if you know what I mean. Other than Capt. A turning rebel and the return of Thor there hasn't been many things happening that make me want to say "HOLY S#*T."

I am talking about the things fanboys would never ever think would happen. The backbone of the whole story isn't new. Rebels fighting there friends because of some tradgedy or idea or in this case tradgedy (Stamford) and idea (registration act).

So come on Marvel, wow us with something that will kick our ass and make everyone say "HOLY SH#T!!!"

If you need some ideas here they are....


1. Make Dr. Doom show up and be on the Anti-reg side.

2. Make Capt. A or Iron Man take the dirt nap (you know you can always bring them back)

3. Make She-hulk pose for Playboy.

4. Bring back Nick Fury (this is going to happen anyways)

5. Have Galactus show up again, this way all the heroes better put down their views and join together.

6. Fix the X-men universe, their part in this whole thing seems half-assed.


So if anyone else has any suggestions, please don't be afraid to post them here.
Booyahh!

BF

[Magneto Rocks]

Well I have my own suspicions about who will be taking a Dirt nap, but i don't reckon it will be Cap or Iron Man. I can see why you think it's losing momentum but honestly, it's only (for me) because of the delay.

For myself, we have had three issues and 2 "OMG!OMG!OMG!" moments: Spidey unmasking and the return of Thor on the Pro-Reg side. That is STAGGERINGLY good. Considering I read all of Infinite Crisis and there was only ONE such moment, and that was on the COVER of 7. (Wow! MASSIVE Battle for Metropolis! I can't... oh damn, it's actually extremely disappointing) And House of M there was only 1 again, and that was across 8 issues. We are 3 issues in, and according to Millar Spider-Man unmasking ISN'T the most contraversial thing he has planned, so God knows we must be in for something enormous.

Personally I think it would be stupid for Doom to be on the anti-reg side. He gains nothing from it. If I were Doom, I'd wait until Sue went anti-reg, then offered my full support to the pro-reg side. That way I could kill Sue Richards right in front of Reed, and it would be perfectly legal. Oh, and I'd also use brutal lethal force, thus discrediting the pro-reg side completely. (Blast you, Richards!)

As for the return of Fury? More than likey.

[mybotisgone]

The problem is that we have 2 "HOLY S#*T" things happening here. one as seen now has turned to nothing "The Unmasking" Let fact it at frist it was big shock that turned into nothing. It's like "WOW, Spider-Man is unmasked" to "WOW, now the storys suck." I don't think Marvel thought this on through. They just grabed it used it and din't even think at what would happen latter. It's like the kid that pushes the big red button just to see what it will do. At lest I know that good things will come out of Thor coming back.

House of M had no "HOLY S#*T" moments in that story. It was just boring from beginning to end. And it's aftermath Decimation was just worse.

And the Secret War had one "HOLY S#*T" moments and died after that. Took too long to finish it.

By the way DC's Infinite Crisis had two "HOLY S#*T" moments if you ask me. 1) Wonder Woman's killing of Maxwell Lord Was a big one. 2) Superboy prime killing a crap load of DC characters Man that's a big one to.

[Magneto Rocks]

The problem is that we have 2 "HOLY S#*T" things happening here. one as seen now has turned to nothing "The Unmasking" Let fact it at frist it was big shock that turned into nothing. It's like "WOW, Spider-Man is unmasked" to "WOW, now the storys suck." I don't think Marvel thought this on through. They just grabed it used it and din't even think at what would happen latter. It's like the kid that pushes the big red button just to see what it will do. At lest I know that good things will come out of Thor coming back.

Whereas I disagree INTENTLY. In fact, EVERY SINGLE Spider-Man comic has risen in quality since the Unmasking, IMO.

FNS 11 is generally considered to be the best issue yet.
SSM 28 and 29 were good/excellent respectively, again a generally held opinion.
And 'The War At Home' is the best story arc JMS has written yet.

I honestly have no idea what you base your "now the stories suck" on. I'm a longtime Spidey fan, he and Cap are my favourite characters in comics... (well... except Doctor Doom) and the Unmasking just gave all his stories a turn for the better.

[mybotisgone]

have you ever gone to this thread http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=141103

Most of them say the unmasked is coming out as a bad idea. That and Sins Past to. by the way I'm still happy that Thor back.:)

[Magneto Rocks]

Oh I realise many people think the Unmasking is a terrible idea. Others thing it's great. Last I saw, the whole fan community was split roughly 55/45 against Unmasking. But you said that now the stories sucked- I pointed out that no, they don't. Most people are against the Unmasking on the principle that he would never ever do it, though I have to sceptickally wonder if they are reading the same Spidey I am.

PS: Anyone else catch the hint in Millar's run on Spidey back in 2004? I mean, it's co-incadence, not foreshadowing, but still... Scorpion said to Peter "Hah! Why don't you just announce your identity on National TV?" Heh heh... did you know even then you canny dog, Millar? :P

[Joe Acro]

By the way DC's Infinite Crisis had two "HOLY S#*T" moments if you ask me. 1) Wonder Woman's killing of Maxwell Lord Was a big one. 2) Superboy prime killing a crap load of DC characters Man that's a big one to.
Just to point out, Wonder Woman killing Maxwell Lord isn't in Infinite Crisis.

What's all this about shocking stuff? You don't need shocking stuff to happen in a big event. The fact that it's a big event should be enough. Secret War has an interesting, great story. It had very few big events. House of M, though a little pointless, was at least interesting. Infinity Gauntlet was a great read, though it did have a couple of surprising moments. Inferno was wonderful.

A big event doesn't need shocking moments. It just needs to be a well written, interesting story involving the universe. Many writers don't seem to realize this.

[mybotisgone]

Just to point out, Wonder Woman killing Maxwell Lord isn't in Infinite Crisis.

What's all this about shocking stuff? You don't need shocking stuff to happen in a big event. The fact that it's a big event should be enough. Secret War has an interesting, great story. It had very few big events. House of M, though a little pointless, was at least interesting. Infinity Gauntlet was a great read, though it did have a couple of surprising moments. Inferno was wonderful.

A big event doesn't need shocking moments. It just needs to be a well written, interesting story involving the universe. Many writers don't seem to realize this.
What you say makes a lot of sents. You right Wonder Woman killing Maxwell Lord in Infinite Crisis. It was apart of it with The OMAC Project that was nothing more then a tie-in to Infinite Crisis as a countdown to Infinite Crisis.

I also agree with what you say the shocking moments mean nothing with out a good story. And yes Infinity Gauntlet was a really good story. And somtimes i do want more then the shocking moments. Maybe that why I like DC story right now more then Marvel.

[Grizsly]

Aside from the lightning bolt at the end of the last issue, have we even seen Thor yet?

[XPac]

As far as the main series goes, we're in the middle of a big battle, and Thor has seemingly returned from the grave. So I don't think it's slowing down for me at all...we're getting the big Holy Spit moments as we speak.

As good old JR would say, business is about to pick up. The first 2 issues were more build up than anything else (that's kind of how Millar rights), but we're only now getting to the really good stuff.

That momentum may be stalled because of the delays though. But as I argued in another thread, I think in the long run the delays might make Civil War a better story because we're getting more of it now.

[Joe Acro]

Aside from the lightning bolt at the end of the last issue, have we even seen Thor yet?
Did you see the last page?

[TheCrow13]

Did anyone else notice NOT 1 Civil war book is comming out the 7th?

[BigBoss]

man I am loving the civil war story and hopes that it goes on for 2 years that wont happen. but this is what got me in to comics again.

[Arawn]

5. Have Galactus show up again, this way all the heroes better put down their views and join together.

6. Fix the X-men universe, their part in this whole thing seems half-assed.

BF

Hell no on Galactus last time we saw him it was the worst ending ever in a comic. Yes I am talking about Last Planet Standing 5...Silver Suck flying in absorbs him and leaves...WTF!!! Don't use super powerful characters if you're gonna smoke crack while writing the story.

As for #6 I've been saying this for a while, and their lack of involvement will have me dropping most of my Marvel books post CW. Been readin Xbooks for 20+ years and all they ever did was cry about equality.

Whaa we don't wanna register.

Whaa we dont want to be carted off to jail for no reason.

Whaa we are supposed to have rights in this country.

Now here is a chance for them to gain permanent support from some of the biggest Supers in the MU and they all run off and say "Screw you guys, we're going home"

It's so beyond being out of character for them I don't think I'll ever spend another penny on one of their books...

[XPac]

Hell no on Galactus last time we saw him it was the worst ending ever in a comic. Yes I am talking about Last Planet Standing 5...Silver Suck flying in absorbs him and leaves...WTF!!! Don't use super powerful characters if you're gonna smoke crack while writing the story.

As for #6 I've been saying this for a while, and their lack of involvement will have me dropping most of my Marvel books post CW. Been readin Xbooks for 20+ years and all they ever did was cry about equality.

Whaa we don't wanna register.

Whaa we dont want to be carted off to jail for no reason.

Whaa we are supposed to have rights in this country.

Now here is a chance for them to gain permanent support from some of the biggest Supers in the MU and they all run off and say "Screw you guys, we're going home"

It's so beyond being out of character for them I don't think I'll ever spend another penny on one of their books...

If House of M didn't occur, I would agree with you.

But because the mutant population has been decimated almost to extinction. At this point in time, I think it's very believable that they would focus on their own survival and not get involved in a Civil War unless it started effecting them.

[Morw]

If House of M didn't occur, I would agree with you.

But because the mutant population has been decimated almost to extinction. At this point in time, I think it's very believable that they would focus on their own survival and not get involved in a Civil War unless it started effecting them.

I dissagree slightly there. I think they would be more willing to gain points with the goverment just becouse they are almost extinct. The more the goverment trust them and feel a need for having them around, the more protection they can expect from the goverment. Better become an asset if they want to survive, not be the whinny teenager in the house.

[XPac]

I dissagree slightly there. I think they would be more willing to gain points with the goverment just becouse they are almost extinct. The more the goverment trust them and feel a need for having them around, the more protection they can expect from the goverment. Better become an asset if they want to survive, not be the whinny teenager in the house.

I don't think they're trying to gain points with the government at all. Emma has basically ran Tony and Carol off their property with their tail between their legs. And frankly the X-Men (aside from Biscop) have done nothing but resent the Sentinals the government placed in their front yard.

If push comes to shove and they need to take a side, I don't see the X-Men opting to gain points for the government. I think they are one shove away from being ANTI registration because they have more reason to dislike and distrust the government than anyone. Cap and the Avengers have only really developed this growing distrust for SHIELD and to a lesser degree the government over the past year. The X-Men got to that point decades ago.

[scottv]

Does anyone else see the whole Spider-man Unmasking as one of those "HOLY S#*T" moments. He gaurded his secret ID more than anyone else that I know of. That was one of the things that he was known for. Maybe it is just me but like a few other people have said I think that the stories are really good since Civil War started. I am kinda sick of SM being Iron Mans little you knw what... but hopefully that will change pretty soon!

[XPac]

Does anyone else see the whole Spider-man Unmasking as one of those "HOLY S#*T" moments. He gaurded his secret ID more than anyone else that I know of. That was one of the things that he was known for. Maybe it is just me but like a few other people have said I think that the stories are really good since Civil War started. I am kinda sick of SM being Iron Mans little you knw what... but hopefully that will change pretty soon!

I think the stories are good, but I'm honestly not liking Peters role as Tonys lapdog. It's taking the fun out of the character for me, even though I do agree that the stories they are telling are good.

I think it's one of those things I'll appreciate more in hindsight after Peter inevitably betrays Tony (and hopefully gets a few shots in). Right now, it's just leaving too much of a bad taste in my mouth.

[Arawn]

If House of M didn't occur, I would agree with you.

But because the mutant population has been decimated almost to extinction. At this point in time, I think it's very believable that they would focus on their own survival and not get involved in a Civil War unless it started effecting them.

But if all those future past stories were to be belived then the Xfools know registration is the beginning of the end. They should be willing to fight this with their last dieing breath. They have been warned god knows how many times, after registration comes the war against mutants and the end for the XMen. The only way to save the future is stop registration.

This was pounded into XFans heads over and over and over. With all the subtlety of republican at the D.N.C.

[Magneto Rocks]

I would be VERY angry if the X-Men got a major massive role in Civil War. Last year they basically got their own crossover. House of M was basically "X-MEN (Guest Starring SOME of the New Avengers. Not that they do anything, of course. Or this affects them. In any way.) Si it seems obnly right that the non-X corner of the universe gets a crossover WITHOUT Wolverine being the lead character.

[XPac]

I would be VERY angry if the X-Men got a major massive role in Civil War. Last year they basically got their own crossover. House of M was basically "X-MEN (Guest Starring SOME of the New Avengers. Not that they do anything, of course. Or this affects them. In any way.) Si it seems obnly right that the non-X corner of the universe gets a crossover WITHOUT Wolverine being the lead character.

This is obviously an Avengers cross over. It freaking stars Cap and Tony. The X-men may get involved, but there's no way they're taking over this crossover. They're barely a blip on the map.

If there's one thing Bendis can take credit for, it's moving the Avengers to the forefront of the marvel universe.

[Magneto Rocks]

The Avengers were ALWAYS at the forefront of the Marvel Universe. If every marvel hero united into a team, who would be the leader? Cap, without doubt. Who would be the powerhouses? Hulk and.... Thor.

This is NOT just an Avengers crossover. Unless you mean "EVeryone who has everb een an old Avenger plus New Avengers." Because that's pretty much most of the Marvel Universe. It's basically an "All of Marvel EXCEPT the X-universe" crossover.