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davids
08-28-2006, 03:09 PM
Watching the old Alfred Hitchock TV show on DVD from Netflixs. Loved how the Bad guy won or his or her evil plans work.

But there was a problem, TV's standards and practices wouyld not allow evil to land on top. So how did Sir Alfred deal with this?

After the show was over, Hitch would come on and explain that the evil one was brought to justice, or fell down a well or chocked on a chicken bone.

You never saw it and you can ignor the POst script and either be upset or enjoy the triumph of evil!:evilsmile
Silliw 2
08-28-2006, 03:21 PM
Sometimes while watching James Bond movies, I can almost feel mself rooting for the evil scheme if only because 007 sometimes seems like little more than a puppet of MI6.
G. Wayne
08-28-2006, 04:06 PM
Sometimes they'll try to go with the "you need evil to fight evil" route like in Chronicles of Riddick.

Maybe it's just me, but that's part of the reason why I love the Silent Hill movie. Yeah, the cult got annihilated, but Alessa wasn't redeemed and it sure as hell seems like the demon got what it wanted.
brundlefly
08-28-2006, 10:14 PM
There was a short-lived show on FOX called Profit with Adrian Pasdar which featured him playing a very unsympathetic sociopath (think Patrick Bateman in American Psycho, but not so serial killer-y) and he usually got the better of the rest of the cast and always came out on top.

Again, a short-lived show but I enjoyed it while it lasted. :D

And I too usually find myself rooting for the Bond villains. Except when they're uninspired goofs like Robert Davi in License to Kill.
marshal99
08-28-2006, 11:22 PM
Well , the old freddy's nightmares tv series generally have bad endings. If it's not Freddy killing them off , it's their nightmares consuming them.
LordEd1976
08-29-2006, 12:11 PM
The original Wicker Man had a bad ending

the main character is burned alive in the Wicker Man while an entire town dances joyfully

I wonder if the Nicholas Cage movie that comes out Friday will go the same route?
Legato
08-29-2006, 12:16 PM
The original Wicker Man had a bad ending

the main character is burned alive in the Wicker Man while an entire town dances joyfully

I wonder if the Nicholas Cage movie that comes out Friday will go the same route?


Well I hope so because if the remake ends on a happy note then I'm gonna be pissed.

I like it at the end of Seven when the cops captured the criminal but the bad guy had a moral victory at the end of the movie.


As a horror fan thare are some moments during the Dracula movies whare I would love to see Dracula finally win. I was practically rooting for Dracula in the Bram Stoker movie more than I did for the guys hunting him.
J. Robb
08-29-2006, 12:42 PM
When I was a kid I thought it was kind of cool when the bad guys won (I think that's why so many people like "Empire Strikes Back"), but as I got older I realized that real life is all about bad guys winning. So now I prefer my entertainment to be a bit more escapist.
Legato
08-29-2006, 12:46 PM
When I was a kid I thought it was kind of cool when the bad guys won (I think that's why so many people like "Empire Strikes Back"), but as I got older I realized that real life is all about bad guys winning. So now I prefer my entertainment to be a bit more escapist.

Well as I grew up I realized that if you want to see the villain win then watch a horror movie or one of those Crime suspense thriller movies.

That is why I dont mind so much on good guys winning all the time in other movies yet you still cant help but feel that the concept is getting really old.
marshal99
08-29-2006, 08:59 PM
In SAW and Se7en , the bad guy won.
davids
08-30-2006, 01:12 AM
On alfred hitchcock Presents a wife kills her hubby by bashing him over the head with a frozen leg of lamb.

The cops come looking for the murder weapon and need it to make an arest. Meanwhile being a good hostess she makes lunch for the police.....You guess it. She cooked up and served the leg of lamb to the cops! That one way to get rid of the everdence!:evilsmile
Popgun
08-30-2006, 05:31 AM
On alfred hitchcock Presents a wife kills her hubby by bashing him over the head with a frozen leg of lamb.

The cops come looking for the murder weapon and need it to make an arest. Meanwhile being a good hostess she makes lunch for the police.....You guess it. She cooked up and served the leg of lamb to the cops! That one way to get rid of the everdence!:evilsmile

'Lamb To The Slaughter', by Roald Dahl (of Charlie And The Chocolate Factory fame). It was remade as part of his 'Tales Of The Unexpected' series. Evil invariably triumphed on TOTU (Either that or the main character turned into a giant bee after consuming too much Royal Jelly).
IamtheRock3
08-30-2006, 05:44 AM
well Zombie movies the zombie generaly destroy the Earth


Mafia movies the mob general come up on top

Same with Yakuuza movie from Japan. But a lot of the time the hero sure as hell kill a $hit load of them before going down.
Silliw 2
08-30-2006, 11:39 AM
And I too usually find myself rooting for the Bond villains. Except when they're uninspired goofs like Robert Davi in License to Kill.

Yeah, drug lords never get my sympathy.
kalorama
08-30-2006, 01:09 PM
I like it at the end of Seven when the cops captured the criminal but the bad guy had a moral victory at the end of the movie.

One of my all time favorite movie endings.
stealthwise
08-31-2006, 12:28 AM
Without giving away too much, The Usual Suspects had a great ending.
kalorama
08-31-2006, 08:02 AM
Without giving away too much, The Usual Suspects had a great ending.

One of my other all-time favorite endings.
Cephus
08-31-2006, 10:04 AM
I don't usually root for the bad guys, necessarily, but I think it's much more realistic if the bad guys win a few here and there. I am really sick and tired of the whole "guys in white hats always win because that's what they do" nonsense. I wouldn't mind seeing a lot more cases where the good guys get their asses handed to them.
choptop
08-31-2006, 02:02 PM
the Tall Man from Phantasm wen's all the time!:evilsmile

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_Man
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08-31-2006, 02:14 PM
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Magneto_X
08-31-2006, 02:36 PM
Sometimes they'll try to go with the "you need evil to fight evil"

I never saw Riddick as evil. He is amoral, yes, but definitely not evil.
Magneto_X
08-31-2006, 02:44 PM
well Zombie movies the zombie generaly destroy the Earth

Not in Resident Evil, Evil Dead/Army of Darkness etc.


Mafia movies the mob general come up on top


What movies are you watching? All the movies I've seen they either end up dead (re: Scarface) or convicted (re: Goodfellas)
Kaiju
08-31-2006, 02:47 PM
How about The Last Seduction and Arlington Road?
Jared
08-31-2006, 02:58 PM
Riddick didn't really do anything evil in the movies, and I don't think we're told what his originial crime was. Maybe it was something heinous, but it seems to me that he probably killed some people that at least partly had it coming. He comes off as mean and uncaring, but he ultimatly does risks his own life for others in both movies.

Aside from thrillers and horror films, I can't think of many bad guy wins. That's not counting crime movies or historical pics where the the protagonists are bad. Is there a single straight-up action flick where the villain wins in the end?
Magneto_X
08-31-2006, 03:07 PM
Is there a single straight-up action flick where the villain wins in the end?

Would Swordfish count?
Kaiju
08-31-2006, 03:26 PM
Would Swordfish count?

How about Infernal Affairs? Although that is a pretty grey area.
Legato
08-31-2006, 03:33 PM
The villain did win in Phone Booth.
Haunt
08-31-2006, 03:52 PM
The villain did win in Phone Booth.


i thought that Colin Farrell was the bad guy.
Legato
08-31-2006, 04:07 PM
i thought that Colin Farrell was the bad guy.

A movie like that is kinda hard to tell. Some could point out that Colin Farrell is the bad guy but you have others that probably sympathize with him to whare he may not be such a bad person.

The sniper on the other had kills bad people but he has no problem killing an innocent just to prove a point.
Erik Lehnsherr
08-31-2006, 04:23 PM
That's why I love watching Gangster movies like Godfather I and II, Goodfellas, Casino, Scarface, or a Carlito's Way. I was BORN to cheer for great villians.

Jigsaw from both Saws won his psychological capers as well.
G. Wayne
08-31-2006, 05:13 PM
I never saw Riddick as evil. He is amoral, yes, but definitely not evil.

Oh I agree. I was really just repeating one of the advertising slogans for the movie.
Legato
08-31-2006, 05:25 PM
That's why I love watching Gangster movies like Godfather I and II, Goodfellas, Casino, Scarface, or a Carlito's Way. I was BORN to cheer for great villians.

Jigsaw from both Saws won his psychological capers as well.

Since you brought up Scarface that ending confused the hell out of me. Did the bad guy won in that movie or was we supposed to get the concept that Scarface is the badguy?

I liked Saw aswell because unlike your typical Slasher Psychos you could understand it from Jigsaw's POV. Also the Saw films dont end in a predictible fashion whare the heroine kills the killer but the killer comes back when she least expects it.

In Saw it seems Jigsaw would always one-up the cops who were trying to capture him. For a guy thats supposed to be really sick with cancer he sure is resourceful.
Magneto_X
08-31-2006, 06:12 PM
Since you brought up Scarface that ending confused the hell out of me. Did the bad guy won in that movie or was we supposed to get the concept that Scarface is the badguy?

Scarface was definitely a bad guy.

I liked Saw aswell because unlike your typical Slasher Psychos you could understand it from Jigsaw's POV. Also the Saw films dont end in a predictible fashion whare the heroine kills the killer but the killer comes back when she least expects it.

In Saw it seems Jigsaw would always one-up the cops who were trying to capture him. For a guy thats supposed to be really sick with cancer he sure is resourceful.

I liked the Saw movies. They end up being difficult to predict, the characters are complex, tonnes of gore and Dina Meyer is in it! :D

Jigsaw is definitely a gray area "villian", kinda like Magneto. He could even be percieved as a "vigilante"----but an extremely f*cked up one, like the sniper in Phone Booth was.
IamtheRock3
08-31-2006, 06:17 PM
What movies are you watching? All the movies I've seen they either end up dead (re: Scarface) or convicted (re: Goodfellas)

Rober dinro got away in goodfella. He also got away in Cansiono

Carlito Way prequel he got off scot free

how about the first 2 godfathers
Magneto_X
08-31-2006, 06:33 PM
Rober dinro got away in goodfella. He also got away in Cansiono

Deniro was a bad guy but he wasn't a mobster, just an associate. His "partner", Joe Pesci, died OTOH.

Carlito Way prequel he got off scot free

True, but if Carlito got killed or arrested it wouldn't be a prequal, would it?

how about the first 2 godfathers

IIRC Don Vito Corleone did die via an ambush by a rival outfit.
LordEd1976
08-31-2006, 07:45 PM
IIRC Don Vito Corleone did die via an ambush by a rival outfit.

Incorrect. Vito was wounded in an ambush but lived.

You're probably thinking of Sonny. Sonny was ambushed at a phone booth and shot up.
Magneto_X
08-31-2006, 07:51 PM
Incorrect. Vito was wounded in an ambush but lived.


I was sure that the injury killed him eventually.
Erik Lehnsherr
08-31-2006, 08:55 PM
I was sure that the injury killed him eventually.

He died of a heart attack while playing with his grandson Anthony.
Erik Lehnsherr
08-31-2006, 08:58 PM
Since you brought up Scarface that ending confused the hell out of me. Did the bad guy won in that movie or was we supposed to get the concept that Scarface is the badguy?

I liked Saw aswell because unlike your typical Slasher Psychos you could understand it from Jigsaw's POV. Also the Saw films dont end in a predictible fashion whare the heroine kills the killer but the killer comes back when she least expects it.

In Saw it seems Jigsaw would always one-up the cops who were trying to capture him. For a guy thats supposed to be really sick with cancer he sure is resourceful.

Tony was the bad guy you could get behind and cheer. He came from NOTHING. He was dead broke coming off that boat and hustled his way to success by using criminal means. That ended up being his downfall but he was on fire before the end.

Both Saw I and II have some of the best twists I've seen in modern film. They were both written very well. Jigsaw found a way to win both times. He was basically acting like a VERY deranged Stefano DiMera during both films.
Doom
09-01-2006, 04:06 PM
I think we are missing one great film which ends with evil triumphant. The Fallen with Denzel Washington.

Such a great end sequence.

"Oh that's right. I said I'd tell you how I almost died."
xnef1025
09-01-2006, 09:24 PM
I think we are missing one great film which ends with evil triumphant. The Fallen with Denzel Washington.

Such a great end sequence.

"Oh that's right. I said I'd tell you how I almost died."
That one was such a cheat for the twist though. Using Dezel's voice for the beginning and ending narration like that.
StoneGold
09-01-2006, 10:00 PM
The Good, The Bad and the Ugly. Yeah, Blondie might have been listed as The Good, but he was a backstabbing bastard son of a bitch, working scams with Tucco before stabbing him in the back.
brundlefly
09-01-2006, 10:01 PM
This one isn't really a horror or action movie, but in Swimming With Sharks, Kevin Spacey's Buddy Ackerman is essentially the villain and he pretty much wins out in the end (corrupts the "hero" of the movie to his mindset so completely that he commits a murder). When Spacey was cast as Lex Luthor for Superman Returns, that was the movie and role of his that immediately came to mind for me (along with The Usual Suspects).
Jared
09-02-2006, 06:23 PM
Rober dinro got away in goodfella. He also got away in Cansiono

Carlito Way prequel he got off scot free

how about the first 2 godfathers

But they're the protagonists of those movies. It's not like the Godfather is the story of an FBI agent's efforts to bring down the Corleone family.