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Kid Kamikaze10

08-23-2006, 08:03 AM

I'm not gonna talk about the whole issue, but I'll only post what I feel are the most important stuff.

- Supergirl and Wondergirl are roomates. (The amount of angst and stupidity that will be in this room is overwhelming)

- Captain Boommerang is her new boyfriend.

- Supergirl beats up Powergirl (and puts her in a full nelson, threatening to break her shoulders).

That's just a few pieces of what happened, and I'm pissed.

Kid Kyoto

08-23-2006, 08:36 AM

why exactly are you pissed?

Supergirl and Capt Boomerang ay? Maybe she'll be the Britney Spears of the DCU drifting from tragic relationship to tragic relationship.

Kid Kamikaze10

08-23-2006, 08:49 AM

why exactly are you pissed?

Supergirl and Capt Boomerang ay? Maybe she'll be the Britney Spears of the DCU drifting from tragic relationship to tragic relationship.

Supergirl attacking Powergirl again. This time, she won. That, and them fighting again, is why I'm so mad.

Damo

08-23-2006, 09:11 AM

Supergirl attacking Powergirl again. This time, she won. That, and them fighting again, is why I'm so mad.

Does the artist use Power Girl's current design, or was this another issue of interchangable Barbie dolls? I mean, it's got to look ridiculous having two Kryptonians attack one another, and having the anorexic toothpick put the body builder in a hold.

Kid Kamikaze10

08-23-2006, 09:21 AM

Does the artist use Power Girl's current design, or was this another issue of interchangable Barbie dolls? I mean, it's got to look ridiculous having two Kryptonians attack one another, and having the anorexic toothpick put the body builder in a hold.

All I can say is this: Mary-Sue-Pergirl strikes again!

protege

08-23-2006, 09:32 AM

I'm not reading the book, but didn't Supergirl just team up with Power Girl in kandor? So- is she gonna be in the outsiders, or Teen Titans, or what?

TheTen-EyedMan

08-23-2006, 09:33 AM

Supergirl is officially the

http://www.sapros.com/tmiaw/train_wreck.jpg

of the D.C. lineup.

Kid Kamikaze10

08-23-2006, 09:34 AM

I'm not reading the book, but didn't Supergirl just team up with Power Girl in kandor? So- is she gonna be in the outsiders, or Teen Titans, or what?

Outsiders. Just look at the October Solicits.

NinjaJack

08-23-2006, 09:42 AM

Supergirl is beating ANOTHER Superhero up, gosh what kind of Kryptonian PMS does she have?

Kid Kamikaze10

08-23-2006, 05:43 PM

What ticks me off most is that Powergirl had a right to yell at Kara, and give her a sucker punch. If you remember issue 8, they did not resolve the Kandor problem. All they did was escape. They left the villains, and didn't fix anything.

And for all that, Powergirl gets beat up. She once again gets punked by Supergirl. I can't stand this book.

Kid Kamikaze10

08-23-2006, 06:16 PM

After re-reading the issue, a few extra stuff.

-Powergirl was weakened.

-WG just stayed for the night.

-More Trinity interaction

I still had some problems with the issue, like choppy storytelling, but I'm not as angry. Best in series.

Lorendiac

08-23-2006, 06:32 PM

I still had some problems with the issue, like choppy storytelling, but I'm not as angry. Best in series.

You realize, of course, that to some people here, calling the newest issue of Supergirl the "best in series" is kinda like hearing a doctor say to one of us, "This particular type of fatal cancer is not nearly as painful and protracted as other cases of fatal cancer that I've diagnosed in other people over the years. Some of those dragged on for years and years, keeping the victims suffering every step of the way! Your case will kill you fairly quickly and quietly by comparison!" ;)

Kid Kamikaze10

08-23-2006, 06:37 PM

You realize, of course, that to some people here, calling the newest issue of Supergirl the "best in series" is kinda like hearing a doctor say to one of us, "This particular type of fatal cancer is not nearly as painful and protracted as other cases of fatal cancer that I've diagnosed in other people over the years. Some of those dragged on for years and years, keeping the victims suffering every step of the way! Your case will kill you fairly quickly and quietly by comparison!" ;)

That's the way I'm hoping you all will take it.

:D

Cayman

08-23-2006, 07:07 PM

Strong issue. You can feel that Kelly's trying to turn the wheel and get the character and series back on course.

Very strange choice of date though. And wearing Superboy's shirt on a date was kinda tacky.

Cay

Patman

08-23-2006, 07:33 PM

Supergirl 9 - ow, my head hurts, it was just so disjointed. I think I'm about done with this title. I'll check out #10, but if it don't catch my fancy, I'm dropping the title.

BYC

08-23-2006, 07:43 PM

Cayman

08-23-2006, 07:46 PM

It's both a good and a horrible issue at the same time.

The good is that Supergirl is finally moving toward having her own book, not full of guest stars, fighting other superheroes, and such.

The horrible is that she seems like such a morally neutral character that it's hard to like her.

Another month I suppose...

I felt like Kelly was trying to move her forward a bit in that respect. He started her looking pretty skanky in this issue but made her grow a bit more sympathetic towards the end.

Cay

Damo

08-23-2006, 08:11 PM

I seem to recall an old Legion story where one of the auditioners was thrown out for thinking he could prove what a great hero he was by fighting fellow heroes. Throw the anorexic witch out of the League and into a black hole, where she deserves to be.

jerrymcl89

08-23-2006, 09:16 PM

I liked this issue. I like that there was a beginning of finding a status quo for Kara (supporting characters, a place to live, a possible love interest). And it doesn't bother me that she's not currently all that heroic.

I do think having Kara live with Wonder Girl is a bit problematic, in that they will both always need to wear trappings of their costumes, or else it will be impossible to tell them apart. At least with Power Girl, there were some identifying characteristics that she had both in and out of costume.

I'm curious whether Kelly will revisit the Kandor story - he might prefer not to, but this one seemed to leave that as an unresolved issue, with Power Girl feeling strongly that Kara abandoned the people of Kandor.

drwho

08-23-2006, 09:20 PM

Why does kara no longer have the hots for her evil lip locking cousin doppelganger?

Jack Zodiac

08-23-2006, 09:57 PM

What was wrong with this issue:

1. It had little- next to nothing, in fact- to do with the outcome of the previous arc. She knows where Argo City might be, now, and she sacrificed the freedom of a civilization for that information. The least she could do is go see if it's still there.

2. Despite the title of the book being Supergirl, it was still burdened by a slew of cameos. Power Girl, Wonder Girl, Captain Boomerang Jr., and Batman. Practically all of them except Power Girl seemed unnecessary, and the presence of the rest of them just complicated the book even more. She's dating Captain Boomerang's kid (who we've never even seen her freakin' meet before) and now Cassie's having trouble with her mother and living with Kara (something that probably should've been used in her home title, Teen Titans, to segue into them living together).

3. Absolutely nothing was resolved. In fact, this issue seemed to reverse her character development. In the previous arc, she was dead-set on finding out what she could about her parents and where they could be, and now that she has the information she wants, she doesn't seem to care at all. She's content pretending to smoke, dressing like a jerkoff and dancing with the son of some villain she's never met. There's even another convoluted flashback with her psycho father telling her to kill her mother. Jesus, how many family members is this guy telling his little girl to kill?

What was alright with this issue:

1. It was bad enough to make me drop this title. Finally. I'll check in on these threads to see how things are going, but until somebody figures out what the hell to do with her, I'm through with this book.

Young Avenger

08-23-2006, 10:35 PM

Why does kara no longer have the hots for her evil lip locking cousin doppelganger?

Because her mind was being controlled.

As for the issue, it didn't suck. At least Kelly is giving Kara some sort of status quo. When I first saw the Kara's boyfriend I thought it was Arsenal until he brought up the fact his father was murdered. That gave it away. Also, ain't the Outsiders suppose to be underground so why the hell is he dating Supergirl? And I have no problem with Cassie being Kara's roommate as long as there enough differences between them to tell them apart outside their costumes.

muimi

08-23-2006, 11:09 PM

Supergirl is officially the

http://www.sapros.com/tmiaw/train_wreck.jpg

of the D.C. lineup.

My husband so totally thanks you for this post because yes: THIS ENTIRE STORY IS A TRAINWRECK. My hubby loves Supergirl, was so excited that they brought back Kara Zor-El and then was so disappointed when they completely trashed the book. ARGH. This makes me so mad.

Part of me really wonders if the romance and roomie with Wonder Girl aspects are things DC is trying to lure girls into reading comic books with. Perhaps they think if they throw in female friendships and romance dreams that girls would be better to relate to these characters? If so, I think DC's got a lot more to think about. It just seems so... wrong... the way that they're going about it. If I were a teenaged girl, I'd want to see Supergirl going out, kicking villain butt and taking names. (That's sure as hell what I want to see in this book, speaking from a grown woman's POV.) Sure there's a place for romance and friendship but the way DC is going about it is wrong, wrong, wrong.

ForEverAncien

08-23-2006, 11:32 PM

-Looks at the trainwreck picture with such borderline sadness-

Alright, after rereading the subject title at hand, three times. The point of trying to move the character forward, is there.

But the biggest flaw, and maybe it is just me. That there is now an admittance, that Kara is not technically 'sixteen' now. I am not going to quote the passage.

Look, with all due respect to the writer(s) and editor(s) at DC, methink it is high time, to realize a sad truth.

There are some books, with female lead characters, that deserved...a woman's touch.

I am sorry, at this point...this may be the only way, to save the book.

Just an opinion.

Jack Zodiac

08-23-2006, 11:37 PM

I don't even think it specifically needs a woman's touch. Just not... Jeph Loeb's, Greg Rucka's, Joe Kelly's, or Dan Didio's touch.

Young Avenger

08-23-2006, 11:49 PM

I don't even think it specifically needs a woman's touch. Just not... Jeph Loeb's, Greg Rucka's, Joe Kelly's, or Dan Didio's touch.

Joe Kelly hasn't done anything wrong yet. This was Kelly's first real issue and he's giving her a status quo. I say that's a step in the right direction.

Jack Zodiac

08-23-2006, 11:53 PM

Not if that status quo sucks.

Zel

08-23-2006, 11:59 PM

I read the whole issue and had no clue who this guy was. She called him Boomer once, and it didn't ring any bells. Would it have killed them to introduce the bastard?

The bit with the Amazons being grossed out by french kissing was just lame and insulting. These are grown, immortal women, I've thinked they've kissed before. They're a whole freaking island of buxom lipstick lesbians for godssake.

That flashback to her dad fighting with who I suppose is her mom, and her dad asking her to kill her own mother... yeesh, now that is a dysfunctional family.

So Kara has a Kryptonian gadget that keeps you permanently healthy. And She sells it to Batman for 1 mil. Bats is a fucking thief, that device was worth way more than that. "Don't want to be greedy" my ass. Getting what something is worth is not being greedy.

Second, featuring gadgets like that really stretch the suspension of disbelief of the dcu. Ordinary people are always shown living like people in the real world, but there's all this super tech floating around that somehow never trickles down. Yeah, it makes the writers lives easier, but it just gets on my nerves sometimes.

Young Avenger

08-24-2006, 12:35 AM

Not if that status quo sucks.

What sucks about living in a apartment with Wonder Girl and dating Captain Boomarang?

lucifernomi

08-24-2006, 03:08 AM

Very strange choice of date though. And wearing Superboy's shirt on a date was kinda tacky.

She's young and burdened with overconfidence. She should be tacky. I actually liked the issue. I almost didn't read it, until I noticed from the cover that the dreadful kandor storyline was over. Now I'm glad i did, because her character is actually starting to make a little sense.

lucifernomi

08-24-2006, 03:14 AM

The bit with the Amazons being grossed out by french kissing was just lame and insulting. These are grown, immortal women, I've thinked they've kissed before. They're a whole freaking island of buxom lipstick lesbians for godssake.

Lets talk about insulting, you're ascribing our society's values to another, albeit fictional, culture. This is an isolated society of female warriors, not lesbians, and not American teenagers. And fairly gods-fearing ones at that. Of what purpose is it in their world to become comfortable with the idea of a bizarre, arbitrary physical act like kissing? While that whole scene was a bit silly, it makes sense socially.

lucifernomi

08-24-2006, 03:24 AM

What was wrong with this issue:

1. It had little- next to nothing, in fact- to do with the outcome of the previous arc.

I hate to be a stick in the mud, but the previous arc was god-awful. Isn't it maybe better if we just forget it ever happened? Seriously, sometimes screw continuity, and just start over from somewhere slightly better.

Bored at 3:00AM

08-24-2006, 04:25 AM

I stopped reading this title as soon as I heard Joe Kelly was writing it. Can someone fill me in on what's been going on?

What's the deal with Kandor City? Weren't Power Girl and her posing as Nightwing & Flamebird or something? How did that all work out?

And, how are sales? Is there any chance DC will try to sort out this mess before the character is unsalvagable?

Kid Kyoto

08-24-2006, 08:40 AM

Damo

08-24-2006, 01:55 PM

Harry made a good first impression. We were willing to tolerate him at his worst, because we had seen what a good egg he was most of the time. With Kara, she made a bad first impression, and ever since then she's been the same. We've never really seen anything in her to make her likable. The fact that such an unlikable spoiled brat is selling great and the noble and self-sacrificing Batgirl has been cancelled... I've got to say it drives me nuts.

Bruce Wayne Jr.

08-24-2006, 02:14 PM

- Supergirl and Wondergirl are roomates. (The amount of angst and stupidity that will be in this room is overwhelming)

- Captain Boommerang is her new boyfriend.

- Supergirl beats up Powergirl (and puts her in a full nelson, threatening to break her shoulders).

That's just a few pieces of what happened, and I'm pissed.

LOL

That's hilarious!

Lorendiac

08-24-2006, 02:15 PM

In the fifth Harry Potter book I spent most of the book hating him. He was cocky, sullent, clumsy, self-rightous and dumb.

Then I realized, he's 16. And he's being written as a 16 year old. It was gutsy move by JK Rowling making her main character unlikeable but it fit the theme of growth and maturing.

Maybe, just maybe, DC is trying this with Supergirl?

If memory serves, Harry in that book was also afflicted with Dumbledore, who has become something of a father-figure to the poor orphan, suddenly acting like a noncommunicative idiot for much of the story. Dumbledore ought to know better; he doesn't have the excuse of only being an angst-ridden 16-year-old.

Alex A Sanchez

08-24-2006, 02:22 PM

What was wrong with this issue:
1. It had little- next to nothing, in fact- to do with the outcome of the previous arc.

This is a good thing. Kelly's trying to sweep that whole story (which wasn't even his to begin with) under the carpet as soon as possible. Kudos.

2. Despite the title of the book being Supergirl, it was still burdened by a slew of cameos. Power Girl, Wonder Girl, Captain Boomerang Jr., and Batman.

Its looking like Wonder Girl and Captain Boomerange Jr. are becoming regular cast members, so they aren't really cameos. Power Girl has already been a regular. I haven't read the Batman/Superman story which introduced Kara, but from what I understand, Bats, Supes, and Wonder Woman are like Kara's god parents of sorts. And so it makes sense that Batman will show up from time to time, like he did in the first story arc.

3. In fact, this issue seemed to reverse her character development.

Dude, this is Kelly's first real issue. He's trying to establish a character- something that hasn't been done in the past 8 issues. I thought he did an excellent job. For the first time I truely got the sense of what Kara is about, and it makes sense with her actions before. Now, many people may not like who she is; that's fine. Go read another book about a character you like.

Seriously, I can't believe there are so many people on this board complaining about a book they don't like AFTER NINE ISSUES!!!! Why are you still reading! From what I understand, this book sells fine, and having all 15 of you who don't like it dropping the title will only make things better for those of us that do.
I like this book, and I want to discuss its merits, but other people are going to hesitate to express the same feelings when everyone else on this board keeps trash talking it.

So, on the good side:
Ian Churchill has done an amazing job and I don't think I've ever seen his art look this good. No one yet has mentioned Rod Reis's amazing colors, which I feel contribute loads to the look of the book. Not since Cambell, Garner, and Joe Choido's work on Gen 13 have I seen a book with this type of look and atmosphere. And I love it.

Jack Zodiac

08-24-2006, 04:09 PM

What sucks about living in a apartment with Wonder Girl and dating Captain Boomarang?

Well, aside from Cassie being used indiscriminately outside of her "home" book, with a rather important piece of story (her mother and her relationship has been a huge part of her character since her beginnings in Wonder Woman and her role in Young Justice), and the fact that she's never even introduced to Captain Boomerange? Nothing.

Seriously, how the hell hard would it have been to have her meet Owen, even in just a panel or two of a flashback? It's like Kelly sat down and said, "Supergirl needs a boyfriend!" Then he started writing with that idea in mind, but when he got to the part where he was supposed to introduce her new boyfriend, he stoner-spaced and realized he didn't have anyone in mind. I'd wager one of the new issues of Outsiders was near-abouts his computer and he though, "Hey, screw it! Captain Boomerang Jr. it is!" 'Cause nothing suggests that it was planned out in the slightest.

Jack Zodiac

08-24-2006, 04:17 PM

I hate to be a stick in the mud, but the previous arc was god-awful. Isn't it maybe better if we just forget it ever happened? Seriously, sometimes screw continuity, and just start over from somewhere slightly better.

I'd normally completely agree with you, but this book has gone on for far too long without any direction whatsoever. At first, the idea was that Kara was new to Earth, and was introducing herself to every hero in existence, which got old fast, so they turned the focus to her origins and her intentions on Earth, which were still unknown to her. This led to the shocking revelation that she was sent to Earth to kill Clark, and she faced down the dark version of herself and won, presumably overcoming the Manchurian Candidate style programming to kill her cousin.

Then the Crisis came and wiped its ass with continuity, and all of a sudden her and Power Girl are in Kandor and Ultraman is posing as Superman and Saturn Queen is controlling his mind, and she somehow knows where Argo City is, and Kara trades her the bottled city of Kandor for its whereabouts. All of that, despite how unbelievably horrible it was, seemed really effin' important. She knows where the very last refuge of Krypton is in the universe, and that her father may still be alive, and that she can finally put to rest whatever was left over from her convoluted beginnings, which wouldn't just help her character, but also give us, the readers, some much-needed resolution.

Instead, Kelly decides to give her a bad-girl attitude, throws her into a dating situation with Captain Boomerang Jr.!?, and then drops the entire Argo City thing altogether, apparently. I just don't care anymore. She's obviously not the character I'm hoping she'll be, and as long as the writers continue to flip her all over the place with no direction, I won't continue to read it. If the rest of you can enjoy it, then God bless. One day, hopefully, someone'll come along and I'll want to read her book again.

Kent H

08-24-2006, 05:13 PM

Just to clarify, Cassie is not Kara's room mate. She's just staying there for the night. Kara specifically referred to the apartment as hers, not theirs.

Frankly, this was the best issue so far, and as a fan of Joe Kelly's work on JLA and JL:E, I think things will continue to improve.

kentonindy

08-24-2006, 06:48 PM

Wow, there's some bitter folks up in here.

SGIRL #9 was the first issue of the book I truly enjoyed. I liked the cameos. I thought Power Girl, Batman, the Kents, and Wonder Girl were all used effectively. Oh, and good riddance to the Kandor storyline, which just sucked.

I really liked the framing device of the night out with Owen. Apparently those of you who found the issue disjointed weren't following the dialogue cues showing where Kara's thoughts were wandering to. I didn't get the impression that the "date" was the start of anything long-term, and both are such new characters that they could use the additional fleshing out. I also think Boomer Jr. was chosen because he's such an unlikely match for her that his appearance wouldn't spawn the inevitable potential-boyfriend debates that Robin or others would cause.

Kid Kamikaze10

08-24-2006, 07:18 PM

I'm gonna be honest, I am very bitter when it comes to this Supergirl. For these reasons and more.

1) Her persona in SG&LSH is so much better.

2) All the past issues she was in beside the cameos.

3) She was a Mary-Sue (she may still be).

4) Her angst is annoying, just like that idiot Wonder Girl.

5) I didn't even like Linda Danvers, but even I know that she's better than this Supergirl.

6) ONCE AGAIN, another Supergirl arrives and automatically gets her own series. Even when there are other females who deserve a title much more than her (Bulleteer, Cassandra Cain, and especially Power Girl).

Young Avenger

08-24-2006, 08:39 PM

Instead, Kelly decides to give her a bad-girl attitude, throws her into a dating situation with Captain Boomerang Jr.!?, and then drops the entire Argo City thing altogether, apparently. I just don't care anymore. She's obviously not the character I'm hoping she'll be, and as long as the writers continue to flip her all over the place with no direction, I won't continue to read it. If the rest of you can enjoy it, then God bless. One day, hopefully, someone'll come along and I'll want to read her book again.

It's not Joe Kelly's job to clean up another writers mess. If he doesn't want to do the Argo story he doesn't have to.

TopGoon

08-24-2006, 08:49 PM

I actually enjoyed this issue. IMO, Supergirl doesn't really beat up Powergirl - they merely had a much needed confrontation about the events from the Kandor Arc. That confrontation made a lot more sense then just flying away happily. The only complaint I have is that we don't actually find out what Kara found out about Argo, and why she's currently relaxing and trying to adapt to her Earth life instead of searching for it. But hey, it has only been 1 issue.

I agree with kentonindy that the cameos were used effectively. I didn't mind the Captain Boomerang going out with Kara part - I mean if you're sixteen, and new to the neighbourhood, you go out and meet people - that's something you naturally do. Wondergirl is technically rooming with Supergirl right now but only to hide away from troubles in her own home. That's something I really enjoy too because Supergirl and Wondergirl are characters that can really relate to each other. The Batman part was really cute.

I feels like her kryptonian PMS is somewhat more tame this issue, and that's a good development. I really enjoy her and her happy-go-lucky personality in Legion, but if this whole being 16 thing is done right, it can be quite enjoyable too, and it has more potential.

This issue makes Supergirl much more understandable, and fun to read. I don't mind that she's somewhat morally neutral right now. I mean, she's 16, her own homeworld got blown to bits, lacks a certain Uncle Ben to tell her that with great power comes great responsibility, then dying to prove that point to her, of course she's not going to a paragon of virtue... at least not yet. Despite not being human, she really does a good job at portraying a teenage - indecisive, seemingly oblivious to the larger pictures at times, mixed emotions, etc. It may not be the most fun thing to read for most people but it's much better now that Kara seems to be heading somewhere with the events late in the issue. Thank god her PMS driven crusade of beating up fellow superheroes has ended for now.

Overall, I felt that it was a huge improvement over the last arc. Let's hope the future issues continue to develop Supergirl...

KET

08-24-2006, 09:21 PM

It's not Joe Kelly's job to clean up another writers mess.

Actually, it IS if he chose to do this SERIES, which is basically EDITORALLY DRIVEN anyway. The book didn't suddenly restart at #1; it's part and parcel of a continuing story.

If he doesn't want to do the Argo story he doesn't have to.

TOO LATE.

After his first issue on the job, Kelly got SOLE WRITING CREDIT for #s 7 & 8. If he had truly wanted to disown the last arc, then I'm sure he wouldn't have let DC demote Rucka's contribution to merely 'story plotter'. ;)

protege

08-24-2006, 09:23 PM

Alex A Sanchez

08-24-2006, 10:18 PM

This issue makes Supergirl much more understandable, and fun to read. I don't mind that she's somewhat morally neutral right now. I mean, she's 16, her own homeworld got blown to bits, lacks a certain Uncle Ben to tell her that with great power comes great responsibility, then dying to prove that point to her, of course she's not going to a paragon of virtue... at least not yet. Despite not being human, she really does a good job at portraying a teenage - indecisive, seemingly oblivious to the larger pictures at times, mixed emotions, etc.

EXACTLY.
I feel the same way on all points- and you said it all very well.

Jack Zodiac

08-24-2006, 11:07 PM

I really liked the framing device of the night out with Owen. Apparently those of you who found the issue disjointed weren't following the dialogue cues showing where Kara's thoughts were wandering to. I didn't get the impression that the "date" was the start of anything long-term, and both are such new characters that they could use the additional fleshing out. I also think Boomer Jr. was chosen because he's such an unlikely match for her that his appearance wouldn't spawn the inevitable potential-boyfriend debates that Robin or others would cause.

The solicitations for this week's issue was, "Who is Supergirl's boyfriend?"

It's not Joe Kelly's job to clean up another writers mess. If he doesn't want to do the Argo story he doesn't have to.

The Argo story was spawned from his last issue, which while he was following Rucka's initial storyline, he wrote himself. If he had absolutely no plans to use Argo City later, he shouldn't have even mentioned it.

And even if he wasn't responsible for it, a good writer knows how to salvage something like that. Instead of even trying, he just moved to a whole different mess.

Kent H

08-25-2006, 12:50 AM

How familiar are you guys with Joe Kelly's writing style? To me, he's a little like Claremont in pacing, but a bit faster. In other words, he's not really dropping the Argo story, he's just not going to follow up on it much for several issues or more.

BYC

08-25-2006, 01:31 AM

The solicitations for this week's issue was, "Who is Supergirl's boyfriend?"

Cause we know DC and Marvel NEVER EVER lie/mislead/flat out wrong about these things. Just as last month, Powergirl and Supergirl are suppose to fight to the death or something.

Captain Boomerang and Supergirl might be long term, it might not be, but I'm not really concerned about that. Supergirl is getting her status quo finally, and we should just see if it turns out good. Isn't this moment the ones so many readers wanted? Kara moving on and finally having a life outside superheroing. Yeah it's a bit disjointed, but it's already a mess, so just try and take it in stride.

If I remember correctly, I hated Kelly's X-Men. Hopefully he wasn't screw this up either.

Jack Zodiac

08-25-2006, 10:43 AM

How familiar are you guys with Joe Kelly's writing style?

Very. And if he could give a character like Deadpool direction, he should be able to do it with Supergirl. However, from the looks of the next few issues, I think that direction's going to blow.

Cause we know DC and Marvel NEVER EVER lie/mislead/flat out wrong about these things. Just as last month, Powergirl and Supergirl are suppose to fight to the death or something.

The next three issues' solicitations all end with some note about Supergirl's new boyfriend.

Supergirl is getting her status quo finally, and we should just see if it turns out good. Isn't this moment the ones so many readers wanted? Kara moving on and finally having a life outside superheroing. Yeah it's a bit disjointed, but it's already a mess, so just try and take it in stride.

I don't know how many readers really wanted her to have a life outside of superheroing, considering she hasn't even had a life in superheroing yet. Throughout the course of her series, the only people she fights are other heroes until Lex shows up. Since her conception and introduction in Superman/Batman, she hasn't done much more than flounder between good and evil, with sprinklings of her convoluted origin here and there.

Whether or not she has a status quo now, which I really doubt will be a constant, she still has absolutely no direction. In fact, that seems to be the point of this issue, that she doesn't know what she's doing. And I can handle that as subtext for the first six issues, and did, but nearly a year into her series, she doesn't know anything more than she did in her first appearance, except English.

I took this series in stride already. I beared the first arc in the hopes that she'd have her origins explained. I stuck through it OYL, because I have every book a fair chance after the jump. Not only was the story horrible, the characterization continually got worse, and the jumble of editorial decisions and writer swapping made it an unbearable mess.

I'm glad that it's back to one writer with one point of view and one idea for her, now, but I don't think I'm going to like what that one writer does with her. Nevertheless, I'm sure her book will continue to sell.

jadegiant77

08-25-2006, 05:59 PM

This book sucks so friggin' hard...Alright, we get it. "supergirl" is the strongest there is. We don't need to see it proven every single issue! So she found the way to Argo, but didn't use it? WHY?? Who the hell is Boomer?(oh, Capt. Boomerang. I thought it was Jimmy Olsen).

uGH, whatever.This is NOT Supergirl. The REAL Supergirl would never have abandoned Kandor.This is just some trailer trash skank with a costume Paris Hilton would find slutty.She's like a problem child times tewnty...why couldn't she have died in the Crisis instead of Conner? The writer(whose name i refuse to acknowledge) continues to do everything in his power to make the character as unlikeable as possible.

And if all that wasn't bad enough, we have Churchill's crappy "Heroes Reborn" art back on the book. Yay. Rob Liefeld draws better than this dude.

Fenix

08-25-2006, 09:41 PM

Rob Liefeld draws better than this dude.

You´re exagerating. Rob is out of any logical scale.

Anyway, I´m thinking everyone is off about the "boomer" guy. He´s Roy HARPER. Ring a bell? She´s talking with him like if she were talking with a big brother, and someone who knows a lot of heroes, no criminals, from inside...
Besides, "Say hi to Nightwing for me", since when Cpt. Boomerang Jr. knows Nightwing?
People, come on!

Jack Zodiac

08-25-2006, 09:43 PM

Uh... what? That's clearly Captain Boomerang's kid. And yes, he does know Nightwing, because he's a member of the Outsiders now.

Fenix

08-25-2006, 09:47 PM

ok if you say so.. but since when he is a member of the outsiders... so i can catch up... because this is news to me...

Young Avenger

08-25-2006, 09:51 PM

ok if you say so.. but since when he is a member of the outsiders... so i can catch up... because this is news to me...

He apart of the Outsiders OYL.

Fenix

08-25-2006, 09:54 PM

ok, if everyone is so sure and the evidence (till now) seems to be against me, I stand corrected (till further notice:))

ForEverAncien

08-26-2006, 02:27 AM

It stands against you. I collect the series as well. He is in the group (Boomerang Jr.) And notice has been given.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/48/Outsiders_cover.jpg
ok, if everyone is so sure and the evidence (till now) seems to be against me, I stand corrected (till further notice:))

Mia

08-26-2006, 07:13 AM

Well as I'm not 'burdened' with her history. I really enjoyed the story alot. I was afraid that when Rucka left she would be changed. But I really like the 'girl-next-door- with-an-edge' characterisation.

Bored at 3:00AM

08-26-2006, 08:15 AM

Okay, I actually read the next issue to see what new depths it had sunk and...

I didn't hate it. I was actually a little shocked by how much of it I thought were interesting choices. There's some potential there.

Dammit, I'm intrigued. Maybe it was because my expections were so low, but I think I'll check out the next issue just to see what else Kelly's got up his sleave.

saintsaucey

08-26-2006, 10:09 AM

I like supergirl. I'm sorry that you all don't like it but I do. Come on she isn't dating Boomer, don't be so defining. Whos to say they aren't just friends. Girls and Guys can hang out without being a couple. She's in love with Nightwing. The series is growing leave it be. The candor arc was good. the first arc was good. Leave it alone. And as for the french kissing thing. These amazon women are basicly raised to think that men are evil. and the idea that guy's want to stick their tounges in their mouths would obviously freak them out if they had never experianced it before. Think back to when you first heard of it. Did you think it sounded normal. I didn't.

astronato

08-26-2006, 12:46 PM

It's not fair to say something sucks without giving a full explaination for the reason you think so but I am tired of complaining about this book.

This sucked.

I want to like this book. I started collecting this because I like Superman and I want to pass the Supergirl books to my neices when they get a little older the way comics were given to me as a kid. I like Supergirl. I like Kara Zor El. But I don't like THIS Supergirl or Kara Zor El and this isn't the kind of comic I would pass on to anyone. I thought I would give Mr Casey 6 issues to turn it around but maybe not.

Slumming with the outsiders? yuck. Kara as Britney Spears? ooofah. Tattoo's, cigarettes, 16 year old cheesecake, self pity and full on whinging.This book is pretty much heading in the exact opposite direction I would like it to.

...and I am not a prude either. Red Sonja's ass cleavage = my dollars. I buy plenty of "adult" stuff. But that that's not what I am looking for in a Supergirl book.

I wanted a smart, idealistic Supergirl. I wanted Kara rubbing shoulders with the big league characters in the JLA not the outsiders. I would much rather Kara roomed with Power Girl than wonder girl. That's one blonde too many for this book. I wanted to see Kara firmly entrenched in the Superman world of characters but the schtick here is that she's distanced from all that. Again, the opposite of what I would like to see.

anyway, it sells well so I doubt things are going to change anytime soon. I'm dropping it.

What crap.

KET

08-26-2006, 12:54 PM

Come on she isn't dating Boomer, don't be so defining.

I take it that you haven't read the upcoming issue blurbs. ;)

She's in love with Nightwing.

...like she would a good puppy. He's too old for her, and I don't think the feeling's mutual, either.

The series is growing leave it be.

Why? Because you feel hurt when the truth comes out that it's still RUNNING IN PLACE? Just because you've got a thing for mindless T and A doesn't mean that this series couldn't aspire to being something greater....if it had a halfway decent editor, for a change.

The candor arc was good. the first arc was good.

No, they weren't. Each arc basically had a 'set up issue' which seemed to indicate that the vapid and BLAND LEAD might actually do something significant with herself. Then successive issues would proceed to undo nearly everything that was originally set up, with contrived situations, pointless fistfights and endless parades of 'guest stars'.

It's a formula; do the math.

trickster

08-26-2006, 01:42 PM

You realize, of course, that to some people here, calling the newest issue of Supergirl the "best in series" is kinda like hearing a doctor say to one of us, "This particular type of fatal cancer is not nearly as painful and protracted as other cases of fatal cancer that I've diagnosed in other people over the years. Some of those dragged on for years and years, keeping the victims suffering every step of the way! Your case will kill you fairly quickly and quietly by comparison!" ;)

LOL. Waiting to see some new writings from you soon. :D

Alex A Sanchez

08-26-2006, 03:01 PM

Slumming with the outsiders? yuck. Kara as Britney Spears? ooofah. Tattoo's, cigarettes, 16 year old cheesecake, self pity and full on whinging.This book is pretty much heading in the exact opposite direction I would like it to.

I wanted a smart, idealistic Supergirl. I wanted Kara rubbing shoulders with the big league characters in the JLA not the outsiders. I would much rather Kara roomed with Power Girl than wonder girl.

Yah, it sounds to me like you want to read a book about SuperWOMAN and not SuperGIRL. Tattoos, flirty fasion, cigarettes, self pity, whining, hanging out with other youth- these are the issues teens face. Why would you want to read a book about a teenager who acts like an adult? Maybe they should have given Powergirl her own series (and change the name to Powerwoman), because she sounds more like the character a majority of the people whining on this board would like to read about.

Jack Zodiac

08-26-2006, 04:49 PM

Slumming with the outsiders? yuck. Kara as Britney Spears? ooofah. Tattoo's, cigarettes, 16 year old cheesecake, self pity and full on whinging.This book is pretty much heading in the exact opposite direction I would like it to.

...and I am not a prude either. Red Sonja's ass cleavage = my dollars. I buy plenty of "adult" stuff. But that that's not what I am looking for in a Supergirl book.

That's exactly how I feel.

I understand that she's sixteen, and she's just being intoduced to this new world and a crazy new lifestyle, but she is so goddamn emo, it makes me want to vomit. She's got an emo attitude with a teenybopper body that's flaunted ridiculously at every opportunity. The only decent thing they've done with her in that respect is that they've gone out of their way to make a point of how much smaller her chest is than the majority of comic ladies. Unfortunately, when that's the most admirable train a character has, that's sad. "Yeah, she's a whiney pain in the ass with superpowers and a short skirt, but at least her tits aren't ridiculously huge."

I'unno. I've been reading Outsiders too, but that book's been going downhill since the freakin' beginning and I'm surprised I held onto it this long, but now that she's joining (along with the horrible OYL storyline) I think that it'll be following her book off of my list as well.

Jack Zodiac

08-26-2006, 04:56 PM

Yah, it sounds to me like you want to read a book about SuperWOMAN and not SuperGIRL. Tattoos, flirty fasion, cigarettes, self pity, whining, hanging out with other youth- these are the issues teens face. Why would you want to read a book about a teenager who acts like an adult? Maybe they should have given Powergirl her own series (and change the name to Powerwoman), because she sounds more like the character a majority of the people whining on this board would like to read about.

Every previous incarnation of the Supergirl book has managed to be about Supergirl without having her act like a stereotypical angsty teenager. Hell, the last Supergirl was a suicidal devil worshiper, and she was still less angsty than Kara. And her book was one of the best female titles of the Nineties, and had her (get this) fighting bad guys and following a well-defined plot. Amazing!

I agree that Power Girl should have been given her own series, but Supergirl should not have. She should still be a background character in Superman's books and maybe Teen Titans, learning how to be a hero, learning how to deal with teenager problems with people closer to her own age (The Outsiders are not teenagers) until she's mature enough to establish herself as a prominent superheroine. Instead, the exact opposite is happening.

Mia

08-26-2006, 05:00 PM

astronato

08-26-2006, 05:53 PM

Young Avenger

08-26-2006, 06:15 PM

Jack Zodiac

08-26-2006, 09:59 PM

Where are people getting this she's 16 crap? She's older than Clark. She was in subspended animation while she was in her space pod. Yea she looks and acts like a 16 year old but she's way older than that.

Why the hell does that matter? Suspended animation. That means she hasn't aged, physically or mentally, since the time of her launch from Argo City. That's why she still sixteen and being treated (poorly, at that) as a teenager in her series. So... that's where we're getting that "she's sixteen crap." The book.

Alex A Sanchez

08-27-2006, 02:21 PM

Whining? I was giving my opinion on the direction of this series. Don't let it bother you. You'll get high blood pressure worrying so much what others think. ;)

You're right, "whining" was a loaded word; I shouldn't have used it. I think I used it because people voice their feelings that they did not like Kara's whining.

Rich L

08-27-2006, 02:43 PM

I'm with those who thought this was a pretty good issue. Kelly has finally got a chance to start a new direction for the book, which has been - let's face it - pretty damn dire up to now.

This is a transitional issue -and I suspect arc - as Kara tries to find herself. Previously, it's all been about 'finding her place in the DCU', but very little attention has been paid to Kara herself beyond a mewling brat stereotype.

As for not introducing Boomerang; let's not forget we still don't have an anwer to what happened after IC; it's apparent she was thrown forward in time to LSH, but did she split in two or what? Not only that, but she was subbing for Supes in Metropolis during part of the missing year, so why couldn't she have met Boomer before. I'm sure it will all eventually be explained.

I like where it's giong; if you don't, just drop the title. Simple.

MrSuslov

08-28-2006, 03:49 PM

Actual questions of suspended animation and its effect upon mental state and physical development aside, I'm in the "Clark's Age + ~16 years" camp. This is something that managed to be of considerable importance from my viewpoint:

Counting the years in suspended animation means that she's not jailbait. ;)

IamtheRock3

08-28-2006, 04:04 PM

Did Like Batman in in it, that didnt make him Jerky

Do like the NEW ARC

but hated how the ended the Arc with making her a Jerk
What made it worst
The main reason she left was to find her Home. THATS THE REASON. And she not even looking for it. Plus she took Powergirl with him..find if you want to go..go. But why mess with Powergirl

Know she a Teen..and teen by there nature Angst. But we pretty much ONLY seen her Emo side for a bunch or issues and 3 differnt writers. Even the most Angsty teen not mad ALL THE TIME TIME.

But I REALLY like kelly. Think part of this was he was given an arc he didnt want. So the new direction may help

That "I am 16" Stuff is not a get out of Jail free card

Best example of writing a good angsty teen

Is everwood

Ephram but all intents and purposes a COMPLETE ahole for most of the show. But they balance it out by showing his other side, His caring for his sister, his friend, His girlfreind, Even helping out The X bully who use to beat him up. A complicated father relationship with still some love in it. Give him a sense of humor about himself and I can accept it more

Still end of the day, and Angsty punk
but an Angsty punk I can watch

hope Kelly does the same with giving her a suporting cast..that she not spending every issue punching.

aukevin

09-01-2006, 08:03 AM

I thougth Supergirl 9 was a good issue. The issue established where Kara is now after the Crisis and it's a good launching pad for what Kelly can do. This title has been all over the place in the previous 8 issues, maybe if Kelly can stay on the title, it can really get going. I like Kara and Cass being friends which I guess will lead to Kara being a Titan, which is what I want. She wouldn't fit in with any other supergroup.

One cool part about the issue was Conner's room in Smallville. I liked how he had a Erica Durance poster in his room, LOL.