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vanityman
08-20-2006, 08:29 PM
http://www.comicbloc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33184


guess who' in the justice league??

very happy

g

MrSuslov
08-20-2006, 08:35 PM
Booo! We don't need no steenkin' JLA! That lineup has oh...one character that I care about, and she belongs in the Birds of Prey.

Rackum frackum.

vanityman
08-20-2006, 08:39 PM
actually, there are three there that would make an amazing 'birds of prey" lineup...

heh

g

Lester C.
08-20-2006, 08:41 PM
They just can't keep ANY secret in comic books these days. The only reason why Peter Parker big reveal in Civil War wasn't revealed was because Marvel throwing their weight around... until they leaked it themselves.

Crowley
08-20-2006, 08:44 PM
honestly... I'm very happy about Black Lightning.

amirab
08-20-2006, 08:44 PM
All I like is that Black Canary, and Arsenal are on the team.

Matt Algren
08-20-2006, 08:47 PM
DC does have a history of changing the cover before the big release, you know.

Lester C.
08-20-2006, 08:47 PM
If New Avengers is any indication, this book is going to be a huge success.

MrSuslov
08-20-2006, 08:48 PM
actually, there are three there that would make an amazing 'birds of prey" lineup...
Lemme guess, the Black Canary, Hawkgirl/woman, and the buxom female in the back?

Jack Zodiac
08-20-2006, 08:49 PM
I like seeing Kendra and Roy on the team. Not enough younger heroes get to "graduate" anymore. Even that so-titled tripe that spawned Outsiders and Teen Titans didn't involve people stepping up very much. Kendra taking on her great aunt's mantle in JSA and being trained by the old guard and Carter was a great way to build her up to take a spot in the League. And Roy taking Ollie's place among the greats is an awesome idea, especially after the character-limbo he's been in with Winick writing him.

And Black Lightning and Vixen being on the team, that's unexpected but refreshing. I didn't want to see a throwback to a full-on Silver Age team, so this is good. Can't wait to finally read it.

TCJohnson
08-20-2006, 09:29 PM
Honestly, this team is a pleasant surprise.

I just really hope that this is not the reason why Canary is leaving BoP.

Corrina
08-20-2006, 09:39 PM
Forgive me if I'm very, very leery of Meltzer writing Black Canary after "Identity Crisis."

At least she'll get no opportunity to tug on Ollie's sleeve and say "Oh...Ollie..."

Maybe Roy will be the stand-in.

And it's so nice to know that main rationale for Vixen's inclusion into the team is that she's very hot when drawn by Benes. Not for like, her skills or her what her personality might add to the group.

:sigh:

Will be quiet now. Maybe Meltzer will surprise me. Maybe it'll be as good as "Archer's Quest" except with a better ending. But I'm not spending money to find out.

Red Jack
08-20-2006, 09:54 PM
Despite my desire for SOMEBODY to put a stake through Cardboard Hal, I'm not unhappy wiht this.

It's all about Vixen, baby.

And that Canary, too.

Crowley
08-20-2006, 09:54 PM
Forgive me if I'm very, very leery of Meltzer writing Black Canary after "Identity Crisis."

At least she'll get no opportunity to tug on Ollie's sleeve and say "Oh...Ollie..."

Maybe Roy will be the stand-in.

And it's so nice to know that main rationale for Vixen's inclusion into the team is that she's very hot when drawn by Benes. Not for like, her skills or her what her personality might add to the group.

:sigh:

Will be quiet now. Maybe Meltzer will surprise me. Maybe it'll be as good as "Archer's Quest" except with a better ending. But I'm not spending money to find out.

my bet:

Meltzer writes Dinah hooking up with Roy.

Nick Kal
08-20-2006, 09:54 PM
And it's so nice to know that main rationale for Vixen's inclusion into the team is that she's very hot when drawn by Benes. Not for like, her skills or her what her personality might add to the group.

Wrong! That's why he kept her around../ not why she appeared in the first place. ;)

SUPERECWFAN1
08-20-2006, 09:55 PM
Fuck this. I wanted Oliver Queen written well finally and he gets shafted as usual. I'm not shocked. It appears that Oliver Queen gets crapped on as he gets stuck in Judd Winick's hands only.

What a damn travesty. :mad: :(

Crowley
08-20-2006, 09:56 PM
what???

Green Arrow has been GREAT lately.

Matt Linton
08-20-2006, 09:59 PM
I'd be happier about Roy being there if it didn't look like he was just going to be Green Arrow jr.

SUPERECWFAN1
08-20-2006, 10:00 PM
what???

Green Arrow has been GREAT lately.


Yeah he should fight some more demons and all. Wait....he's already done this 4 times already in his title. ( 3 under Winick , once under Kevin Smith . )

I wonder when Oliver gets the Azrael armor or when his city gets a plague or any other DC ideas Judd Winick can rip off and steal.

Part of me was counting the days. I was so happy because Meltzer seemed to get the character and I was so excited for this. Never get your hopes up people. :(

SUPERECWFAN1
08-20-2006, 10:06 PM
I'd be happier about Roy being there if it didn't look like he was just going to be Green Arrow jr.


I'm glad Roy got the call up finally. I mean he deserved it. I like the new/retro Kingdom Come look some are talking about. I think he should change his name to Red Arrow with it.

shrike
08-20-2006, 10:10 PM
Boo.

this REEKS.

Matt Linton
08-20-2006, 10:32 PM
I'm glad Roy got the call up finally. I mean he deserved it. I like the new/retro Kingdom Come look some are talking about. I think he should change his name to Red Arrow with it.

I'm glad Roy's on the team, I'm just hoping he's written more like Arsenal than Red Arrow. With Ollie up and running around, not to mention Connor and Mia I think there are more than enough "Regular folks who use a bow and arrow" running around. I think he's more interesting as a spy/weapons master type.

Nick Kal
08-20-2006, 10:35 PM
Boo.

this REEKS.

No... that's probably just where you are. I don't smell anything bad....

SUPERECWFAN1
08-20-2006, 10:45 PM
I'm glad Roy's on the team, I'm just hoping he's written more like Arsenal than Red Arrow. With Ollie up and running around, not to mention Connor and Mia I think there are more than enough "Regular folks who use a bow and arrow" running around. I think he's more interesting as a spy/weapons master type.

I actually think he deserves the bow & arrow. Plus I'm sure he'll use a crossbow and suprise people. But I'd love to see him pay some tribute to his foster dad and call himself Red Arrow. I like the Arsenal name and I think its a great name for him. But now that he's in the majors , he needs to get a name that shows it. ( plus it would fit his look )

heystacy
08-21-2006, 12:01 AM
I have mixed feelings about this. Meltzer's writing has been lackluster for me, yet the line up looks interesting. :confused:

Dr Ray Palmer
08-21-2006, 12:59 AM
Forgive me if I'm very, very leery of Meltzer writing Black Canary after "Identity Crisis."

At least she'll get no opportunity to tug on Ollie's sleeve and say "Oh...Ollie..."

Hopefully Meltzer will still be able to find a way to have her stand around doing nothing a lot until she finally decides to join in a fight only to be taken out like a complete amateur in the first eleven seconds.

It'll be nostalgia-tastic!

my bet: Meltzer writes Dinah hooking up with Roy.

Which will be so, so gross.

WhiteRose
08-21-2006, 03:14 AM
my bet:

Meltzer writes Dinah hooking up with Roy.

*gags*

*chokes*

*dies*

EW. Don't they have that whole 'aunty/nephew' kinda relationship going? EW.

ChthonicSpirit
08-21-2006, 04:16 AM
my bet:

Meltzer writes Dinah hooking up with Roy.

Shhh! Don't give him any ideas!

Lester C.
08-21-2006, 04:38 AM
*gags*

*chokes*

*dies*

EW. Don't they have that whole 'aunty/nephew' kinda relationship going? EW.
You'd think Dinah and Roy were Australians.:eek:

WhiteRose
08-21-2006, 04:44 AM
You'd think Dinah and Roy were Australians.:eek:

Or Adrian Paul's parents. :eek:

Lester C.
08-21-2006, 04:48 AM
:mad: Or Adrian Paul's parents. :eek:
At least Adrian Paul doesn't have relatives that chop off each other's finger with an Axe.:eek:

WhiteRose
08-21-2006, 04:56 AM
:mad:
At least Adrian Paul doesn't have relatives that chop off each other's finger with an Axe.:eek:

We breed 'em tough in my family, that's why. None of this sissy little sword-twirly thing. :eek:

Cam63
08-21-2006, 05:13 AM
You'd think Dinah and Roy were Australians.:eek:

*Slaps Lester with family tree*

Cam63
08-21-2006, 05:16 AM
We breed 'em tough in my family, that's why. None of this sissy little sword-twirly thing. :eek:

We cure ourselves of headcolds by swallowing a barrell of gunpowder and a lit match.

Apparently we inspired the invention of the claymore mine.

NickThompson
08-21-2006, 05:43 AM
That team looks pretty good. Bit big maybe, but has a lot of characters he can actually develop. Never liked that about the big 7 lineup.

geordiesteve
08-21-2006, 05:51 AM
Good to see Black Lightning there, he is long overdue, Arsenal is nice surprise too, Hal Jordan.....hmmmm no thanks, I love what Johnns is doing with him in GL book, but put him JLA too, um, why? He's starting to feel like Wolverine to me, he's popular, everywhere and starting to be spread a little thin. Why not John Stewart? What else are they doing with him? He's not in the main GL book or the Corps book.

Vixen....meh, no real opinion on her to be honest.

Red Tornado, hmmm, could be interesting. Black Canary.....love the character, but not on this team. Hawkgirk/woman, looks good.

Overall, a bit meh for me, not enough to get excited about, just hope the writer can pull one out of the bag.

Oh, and no Martian Manhunter? Not a good idea, he is the heart of the JLA, hate the new mini series and 'I hate humanity' stance.

Jeff Brady
08-21-2006, 09:53 AM
honestly... I'm very happy about Black Lightning.

Me too! He's been on my list for over a decade.

Lubichev
08-21-2006, 09:55 AM
Interesting news, but blech. That is a lousy cover.

shrike
08-21-2006, 10:08 AM
No... that's probably just where you are. I don't smell anything bad....

Well then you must steer clear of most of Brad Melzter's works.

If BC gets thrown off Birds because Mr Melzter wanted her I will be royally pissed. Brad IMO is missing two big things:

1) Hair
2) Talent

Jack Zodiac
08-21-2006, 01:09 PM
Interesting news, but blech. That is a lousy cover.

The JLA really only recruited one woman, but they dressed her up in four different costumes for that cover. ;)

jerrymcl89
08-21-2006, 01:13 PM
Not a bad lineup. It doesn't make a ton of logical sense that Roy would be on the team instead of Ollie, given that Dinah and Hal are there, but I guess they'll show Ollie declining and recommending Roy, or something along those lines. I guess being Mayor would keep him kind of busy.

Dr Ray Palmer
08-21-2006, 01:38 PM
Okay, I should confess that Identity Crisis is the only thing by Meltzer I've ever read. As a result, I'm not so optimistic about how he might handle the female JLAers -- in Identity Crisis women only seem to come in three varieties: doormat (Sue, Zatanna); wallpaper (Black Canary); and kee-RAYZEE beeyotch! (Jean Loring).

Can anyone who's read any of his other stuff say anything to assuage my fears?

Michael P
08-21-2006, 01:38 PM
honestly... I'm very happy about Black Lightning.
I'm very nervous. Winick wrote an awful BL in Green Arrow and Outsiders, and given how close he and Meltzer are, I'm guessing that trend will continue.

Matt Algren
08-21-2006, 01:52 PM
I'm very nervous. Winick wrote an awful BL in Green Arrow and Outsiders, and given how close he and Meltzer are, I'm guessing that trend will continue.
I'm just wondering how long before Thunder (Lightning's daughter in Outsiders) gets raped.

Who knows, it may have already happened.

TCJohnson
08-21-2006, 02:22 PM
I'm just wondering how long before Thunder (Lightning's daughter in Outsiders) gets raped.

Who knows, it may have already happened.

Well, Nightwing has already made her sleep with the enemy to maintain her cover.

Cam63
08-21-2006, 02:27 PM
Interesting news, but blech. That is a lousy cover.

I'm not a fan of Turner's style.

His figures look like anorexic fashion design sketches.

Matt Algren
08-21-2006, 02:36 PM
Well, Nightwing has already made her sleep with the enemy to maintain her cover.
Wait, what? My head just asploded.

Nick Kal
08-21-2006, 02:39 PM
Okay, I should confess that Identity Crisis is the only thing by Meltzer I've ever read. As a result, I'm not so optimistic about how he might handle the female JLAers -- in Identity Crisis women only seem to come in three varieties: doormat (Sue, Zatanna); wallpaper (Black Canary); and kee-RAYZEE beeyotch! (Jean Loring).

Can anyone who's read any of his other stuff say anything to assuage my fears?

That's unfair. Did you forget to point out how Hawkman looked like a self righteous jack ass? No... because that would only discredit your point.

Michael P
08-21-2006, 02:41 PM
That's unfair. Did you forget to point out how Hawkman looked like a self righteous jack ass? No... because that would only discredit your point.
Actually, it had nothing to do with his point.

TCJohnson
08-21-2006, 02:48 PM
Wait, what? My head just asploded.


In the first OYL story arc of Outsiders, they were going after a dictator. Thunder was undercover as female military officer and started sleeping with the dictator to maintain her cover. When she wanted to stop Nightwing made convinced her to maintain her cover and keep sleeping with him.

SUPERECWFAN1
08-21-2006, 03:03 PM
In the first OYL story arc of Outsiders, they were going after a dictator. Thunder was undercover as female military officer and started sleeping with the dictator to maintain her cover. When she wanted to stop Nightwing made convinced her to maintain her cover and keep sleeping with him.


And people wonder why Judd Winick is looked at as a lousy writer. I mean his Nightwing in the Outsiders was pretty bad. I convinced myself he didn't exist in that title since Devin Grayson wrote him better. ( yeah that will make many heads explode )

I just never saw why DC handed him more and more work. Of course he has the whole " I was on Real World " star vibe so I can see why Dan Dido keeps him around.

Lester C.
08-21-2006, 03:06 PM
And people wonder why Judd Winick is looked at as a lousy writer. I mean his Nightwing in the Outsiders was pretty bad. I convinced myself he didn't exist in that title since Devin Grayson wrote him better. ( yeah that will make many heads explode )

I just never saw why DC handed him more and more work. Of course he has the whole " I was on Real World " star vibe so I can see why Dan Dido keeps him around.
If you consider the fact that Nightwing one year later was suppose to be Jason Todd, Nightwing's action make much more sense when taken in that context.

SUPERECWFAN1
08-21-2006, 03:17 PM
If you consider the fact that Nightwing one year later was suppose to be Jason Todd, Nightwing's action make much more sense when taken in that context.


Its not that. I actually never liked how wishy washy , Winick wrote Dick Grayson. He wasn't a guy in charge anymore . Just someone who was used to nail Starfire in the sack.

I liked Devin's , Nightwing. He had emotions. He failed and all , but he had emotions and missed Barbara Gordan. I think DC pretty much let us all down by not letting those 2 ride into the sunset finally. Since they had been an off/on couple for years. :(

PatrickG
08-21-2006, 03:20 PM
Nice lineup.

I want to see the Morrison Big Seven (complete with Wally and Ion) have a reunion someday just as I'd like a final reunion for the Silver Age team (ie. do ONE more time-travelling Barry story only have him visit the JLA instead of Wally) but either of those would make for better special projects.

This seems like an interesting team dynamic. The characters are all fairly classic and yet many have never worked together, at least not since Crisis.

It's the best of both worlds in a lot of ways.

And keep in mind that some of what Meltzer did in IDC was a separate mini and not a JLA arc because of the content. Presumably, this book will be code approved which means the graphic acts may be reined in a bit. And since this is the JLA title, I expect the action/plots will be a bit more epic in tone. Also, Meltzer was saddled with some of the plot for IDC.

Meltzer genuinely loves the JLA and this is his chance to prove himself. Even if you hated IDC, keep in mind that the format and nature of this project will be different and that, on some level, this is potentially a whole new Meltzer. It's also a new editor, a new series and a new direction centered on building something up rather than tearing it apart.

And if you hate this lineup? Well, it's supposed to change a bit as things go along.

MacQuarrie
08-21-2006, 03:26 PM
I actually think he deserves the bow & arrow. Plus I'm sure he'll use a crossbow and suprise people. But I'd love to see him pay some tribute to his foster dad and call himself Red Arrow. I like the Arsenal name and I think its a great name for him. But now that he's in the majors , he needs to get a name that shows it. ( plus it would fit his look )
Too bad he doesn't know how to hold it.

And why is he gonna shoot Hal in the head?

And when did he become left-handed?

amirab
08-21-2006, 03:27 PM
In the first OYL story arc of Outsiders, they were going after a dictator. Thunder was undercover as female military officer and started sleeping with the dictator to maintain her cover. When she wanted to stop Nightwing made convinced her to maintain her cover and keep sleeping with him.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought it is Metamorpho who slept with the dictator.

Nick Kal
08-21-2006, 03:27 PM
Actually, it had nothing to do with his point.

Right... because he was pointing out how Meltzer made women look bad, but he did the same for male characters too... Honestly... :rolleyes:

Lester C.
08-21-2006, 03:28 PM
Its not that. I actually never liked how wishy washy , Winick wrote Dick Grayson. He wasn't a guy in charge anymore . Just someone who was used to nail Starfire in the sack.

I liked Devin's , Nightwing. He had emotions. He failed and all , but he had emotions and missed Barbara Gordan. I think DC pretty much let us all down by not letting those 2 ride into the sunset finally. Since they had been an off/on couple for years. :(
That makes you and Sabrinaset.

Jack Zodiac
08-21-2006, 03:40 PM
I liked Devin's Nightwing... until right after the new Tarantula shot Blockbuster in the head and Dick didn't do shit about it.

And let's all be fair, here. It isn't that Meltzer can't write women, or men, it's that some of his characterization in Identity Crisis was garbage. "Archer's Quest" from his run on Green Arrow was incredible, but he wasn't trying to tell a half-assed murder mystery in that one. So, hopefully, he'll manage a decent League.

DarkCrisis
08-21-2006, 03:41 PM
And thus Dinah leaves BoP and it's just craziness.

Michael P
08-21-2006, 03:43 PM
Right... because he was pointing out how Meltzer made women look bad.
And that's why Hawkman's characterization was irrelevant: He wasn't talking about Hawkman.

By the way, I love how your defense of the charge that Meltzer can't write women is that he can't write men, either. Stunning riposte.

Kyuubi
08-21-2006, 03:50 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought it is Metamorpho who slept with the dictator.


That was just to screw with his head. If I remember correctly, he never slept with any member of the Outsiders, it was all just drug induced hallucinations.

amirab
08-21-2006, 03:52 PM
That was just to screw with his head. If I remember correctly, he never slept with any member of the Outsiders, it was all just drug induced hallucinations.
Okay, I was wrong.

Michael P
08-21-2006, 03:52 PM
Blue Duck Girl should so be in the JLA.

TCJohnson
08-21-2006, 03:55 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought it is Metamorpho who slept with the dictator.


I only read the first issue of OYL and never, ever went back. So it might have been revealed later. Not sure which is grosser, though.

Matt Algren
08-21-2006, 03:57 PM
Guys, guys. We've all missed the obvious question.

Is the JLA so broke that they couldn't pay the photographer to wait ten minutes for Vixen's nails to dry?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v469/hccarina/justiceleagueofamerica1.jpg

Yoda
08-21-2006, 03:57 PM
That was just to screw with his head. If I remember correctly, he never slept with any member of the Outsiders, it was all just drug induced hallucinations.

You're right, it was all a endorphined induced hallucination courtesy of Metamorpho.

amirab
08-21-2006, 04:00 PM
I only read the first issue of OYL and never, ever went back. So it might have been revealed later. Not sure which is grosser, though.
I think it was revealed in the second or thrid one of OYL.

Nick Kal
08-21-2006, 04:06 PM
And that's why Hawkman's characterization was irrelevant: He wasn't talking about Hawkman.

By the way, I love how your defense of the charge that Meltzer can't write women is that he can't write men, either. Stunning riposte.

Are you dense?

Palmer points out that Meltzer's women are written in a nonflattering light, to him. I point out so has a man... therefore the fact that he wants to make it seem that Meltzer is writing women negatively is just a double standard he, the reader, has created.

Also, I did not say at all that Hawkman being a jerk was the same as him being written poorly. That's your assumption.

Josh S
08-21-2006, 04:21 PM
Nick, you're comparing a group to an individual. He said the women were written to fit into one of three groups. You countered that with Hawkman being written as a dick. It's not the same thing.

shrike
08-21-2006, 04:21 PM
Nick I'm going to have to back Palmer up on this.

Not only are YOU being dense, you are being ignorant. Please refrain.

In addition, your rebuttle to Meltzer writing women poorly SO does not hold up.

Yoda
08-21-2006, 04:24 PM
How does he write women in his novels? Since he's written far more novels than comics i'd say that would be a better hook to hang the "Metzler doesn't write good women" hat than IC.

Josh S
08-21-2006, 04:28 PM
I've only read one of Metzler's books and as far as I recall there was only one female character of any importance. I think she was presented as a bad guy for the majority of the book.

Corrina
08-21-2006, 04:40 PM
By the way, I love how your defense of the charge that Meltzer can't write women is that he can't write men, either. Stunning riposte.

Ooo...score!

:)

Lester C.
08-21-2006, 04:41 PM
I've only read one of Metzler's books and as far as I recall there was only one female character of any importance. I think she was presented as a bad guy for the majority of the book.
That would be The Millionaires Club. I've read all of his books, and he has woman in all of them featured prominently, but in supporting roles to make the male star looks good. The exception to this was his second novel, the name of which escapes me, but the female character in that book was the protagonist. Anyway, to be fair to Brad, while his female supporting characters are flawed the same can be said for his male characters as everyone in his book has their own angle that they are working.

Nick Kal
08-21-2006, 04:48 PM
Nick, you're comparing a group to an individual. He said the women were written to fit into one of three groups. You countered that with Hawkman being written as a dick. It's not the same thing.

Well... I was just using Hawkman as an example... did any of the heroes really look that good when it came down to it?

Nick Kal
08-21-2006, 04:50 PM
Nick I'm going to have to back Palmer up on this.

Not only are YOU being dense, you are being ignorant. Please refrain.

In addition, your rebuttle to Meltzer writing women poorly SO does not hold up.

No, I'd have to say that the double standard being imposed on Meltzer's writing is what's ignorant.

Thank you fo your opinion on my rebuttle.... but I don't see how that disproves what I've written. It SO does not hold up? Oh, great comeback.

heystacy
08-21-2006, 04:51 PM
Guys, guys. We've all missed the obvious question.

Is the JLA so broke that they couldn't pay the photographer to wait ten minutes for Vixen's nails to dry?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v469/hccarina/justiceleagueofamerica1.jpg


I wonder about this art myself. More importantly, what is Wonder Woman looking at.

Nick Kal
08-21-2006, 04:52 PM
Ooo...score!

:)

Also, I did not say at all that Hawkman being a jerk was the same as him being written poorly. That's your assumption.

Not... at all...

SUPERECWFAN1
08-21-2006, 05:42 PM
I wonder about this art myself. More importantly, what is Wonder Woman looking at.


She's starin at Superman's package in the mirror , man! Thats why she's happy. :p

Dr Ray Palmer
08-21-2006, 05:42 PM
Thanks to those who made posts that actually had something to do with my question.

TCJohnson
08-21-2006, 05:48 PM
By the way, I love how your defense of the charge that Meltzer can't write women is that he can't write men, either. Stunning riposte.

Oh man, that's great. Thanks, I really needed a good laugh.

Nick Kal
08-21-2006, 09:23 PM
I don't get it... so those of you who just want to be negative about Meltzer will just ignore the fact that I pointed out how your anti-female inlkings aren't entirely true? Please do us a favor and don't buy the book... Meltzer doesn't need readers like you.

I mean, as I said, how does me pointing out that Hawkman was characterized in a negative light, like most of the heroes, mean he was written poorly? Is reading comprehension that difficult?

heystacy
08-21-2006, 09:50 PM
She's starin at Superman's package in the mirror , man! Thats why she's happy. :p


She is such a perv. ;) Parhaps she should be call Wandering Eye Woman.

SUPERECWFAN1
08-21-2006, 10:03 PM
She is such a perv. ;) Parhaps she should be call Wandering Eye Woman.


Diana wants a MAN baby. She's tired of that island full of women. Diana is an Amazon in heat and Vixen better not even look at Superman . :p

heystacy
08-21-2006, 10:07 PM
Diana wants a MAN baby. She's tired of that island full of women. Diana is an Amazon in heat and Vixen better not even look at Superman . :p


Ha! Vixens are the ladies who get the men in the end. ;)

Josh S
08-21-2006, 10:19 PM
I don't get it... so those of you who just want to be negative about Meltzer will just ignore the fact that I pointed out how your anti-female inlkings aren't entirely true? Please do us a favor and don't buy the book... Meltzer doesn't need readers like you.

I mean, as I said, how does me pointing out that Hawkman was characterized in a negative light, like most of the heroes, mean he was written poorly? Is reading comprehension that difficult?

He does need more readers who tell people not to read his books, though. Right?

And, speaking for myself, I'm not saying he's a bad writer. I was just pointing out that Ray said he writes women as one of three unflattering character types. He provided four examples. You provided one. And I'm not suggesting you're wrong in (what I assume is) your position that Metlzer doesn't have issues with or is unable to write female heroes. I was just trying to explain why your argument wasn't very good.

Nick Kal
08-21-2006, 10:28 PM
He does need more readers who tell people not to read his books, though. Right?

And, speaking for myself, I'm not saying he's a bad writer. I was just pointing out that Ray said he writes women as one of three unflattering character types. He provided four examples. You provided one. And I'm not suggesting you're wrong in (what I assume is) your position that Metlzer doesn't have issues with or is unable to write female heroes. I was just trying to explain why your argument wasn't very good.

Those uncapable of reading comprehension, yes...

And sorry for not including more examples... here you go:

Dr. Light was a freakin' rapist! Way to write a male character in a positive light, yes?

Ralph stopped being a hero and gave up. Positive, eh?

The Atom dissapears forever because he's sad.

Now there you go! I'm not saying that these characterizations are bad, I like the story... I just don't agree that he has mistreated female characters or written them poorly. He has given everyone a flaw... and that's not bad because hey, everyone has flaws.

Josh S
08-21-2006, 10:43 PM
Why would he care if his readers can comprehend what he writes? As long as their buying their books it makes his sales higher and thus makes him more valuable as a writer. Or am I missing something?

Dr Light is a villain. Of course he should be written in a negative light. I never read the last issue or any of IC or 52, so you've got me on Ralph and Atom but I'd say Ralph is due some time to grieve for his wife.

I'm admittedly just arguing for arguments sake now, so I'll stop.

blackcanary_416
08-22-2006, 12:13 PM
I am happy to see Black Canary back on the Justice League. I wonder who will babysit Sin and Lian? Which is weird considering that both were in connection to some of the deadliest assassins.

Meltzer better write a great Canary, on par with Gail, which I doubt he will but I want to see her kicking ass and taking no names.

the4thpip
08-22-2006, 12:20 PM
Hey, we should start a petition for Dinah to be on the JSA, too! She could be DC's answer to Wolverine!

TCJohnson
08-22-2006, 12:42 PM
Meltzer said that he was going to be examining the interpersonal relationships in the JLA. Lets just hope that he doesn't think Roy and Black Canary would make a good couple.

Matt Algren
08-22-2006, 01:29 PM
Meltzer said that he was going to be examining the interpersonal relationships in the JLA. Lets just hope that he doesn't think Roy and Black Canary would make a good couple.
He also said Identity Crisis was his 'love letter' to the DCU. With friends like this...

muttermuttermutter

Night Swordsman
08-22-2006, 11:44 PM
Very UNhappy about the line up.

Sigh. Oh well. It's 12 issues,and then it will all change anyway.