MERGE: The Wendell "Quasar" Vaughn Memorial Megathread [Archive] - Page 6

Tobias Drake

05-29-2008, 11:38 AM

I see it being about the source of the character's powers, particularly.

Spider-Man was created by a radioactive spider-bite. That's fairly unique. He doesn't collect radioactive spiders so he can have them bite people to give them spider-powers. It would be hard to make him a Legacy Character because it would require somehow duplicating the process that created him in the first place.

Iron Man, on the other hand, gets his power from his tech. Are we to believe that, if Tony Stark were to die, all his technology would be incinerated and no one would ever touch the armor again for the rest of time? No. It would be very easy for there to be a new Iron Man; all one needs to make Iron Man a Legacy Character is the armor. Rhodey knows this well.

What about normals? Can there be a new Punisher? All one needs is a gun and a skull pattern. Frank's dealing with being turned into a Legacy Character against his will right now in his title.

Nova. Nova is absolutely primed to start creating Legacy Characters, once he gets off his duff and starts doing it.

Silver Surfer? Eh, not quite. There can be other Heralds of Galactus, absolutely, but Galactus would have to be astonishingly unimaginative to just start making new Silver Surfer replicas. He COULD do it, though, if he wanted to. It IS out there.

Now, with all this in mind, how does this apply to Quasar? Because he gets his powers from tools. Like Iron Man, the power comes from his bands. It's very easy for someone else to simply get their hands on his bands and bam, new Quasar. Should he die, the bands will still exist. Are we to believe that no one will ever touch them again? That no one will seek them out and/or find them? That his death somehow removes them from the universe's combined mind and no one, for the rest of time, will ever get it into their mind, "Hey, I wonder whatever happened to those really powerful Bands?"

No. Wendell Vaughn may die, but the Bands still exist. So long as they exist, there can be a successor, for better or worse.

StoneGold

05-29-2008, 11:53 AM

Silver Surfer? Eh, not quite. There can be other Heralds of Galactus, absolutely, but Galactus would have to be astonishingly unimaginative to just start making new Silver Surfer replicas. He COULD do it, though, if he wanted to. It IS out there.

Firelord and Nova?

Rick Summers

05-29-2008, 11:57 AM

Any plans for any other kinds of polls about Quasar?

Rick Summers

05-29-2008, 11:58 AM

Quantum nun-chuks...gotta love 'em!

Rick Summers

05-29-2008, 12:05 PM

haha. I actually thought of donning a Quasar costume at the Toronto Comic Convention coming up (live near there) and passing out BBBWVAQ pamphlets! I dont have blond hair though!:D

You can buy a blonde wig...no excuse LOL

Rick Summers

05-29-2008, 12:07 PM

So like are all those people that bought the Quasar series way back when dead?

Rick Summers

05-29-2008, 12:08 PM

I always enjoy these Newsletters :)

Rick Summers

05-29-2008, 12:13 PM

I've never confused Captain Marvel with Quasar...ever.

Rick Summers

05-29-2008, 12:14 PM

I wear my Quasar T-Shirt proudly!!!

Rick Summers

05-29-2008, 12:17 PM

So when is Wendell coming back already??? Sheesh

Rick Summers

05-29-2008, 12:18 PM

"Quasar-heads" are a very dedicated and VOCAL bunch!!!

Rick Summers

05-29-2008, 12:19 PM

Ok, now I want a Nova and Quasar (Wendell) team book! :D

Rick Summers

05-29-2008, 12:21 PM

Why can't we have more cool HEROES not murderers like Wendell huh?

Rick Summers

05-29-2008, 12:36 PM

A character is more than his tools though.
They have history...relationships...family...loves...friends hips.
Those can't be replicated...well anything is possible but you know what I mean!

DDM

05-29-2008, 12:40 PM

:confused: Exactly how does my logic infer that Spiderman and Captain America should be killed off? Are there more popular characters that can tell the same story as Cap and Spiderman? No, so how does this have anything to do with what I said.

Wendell was the everyman character. I liked Wendell because he was a true hero who did not have a blood lust to kill. This is also Spider-Man & Captain America.

agrich

05-29-2008, 12:47 PM

You mean like Weekend at Bernie's? Nova flying around space holding an empty Quasar costume or something? "Hey Wendell, do you think we should check out that star cluster over there?" (silence) "OK, I agree! Blue Blazes, let's goooooooo!!!!"

I get that you're probably resurrecting all these old threads to awaken fan interest in Wendell or something, but I think it's a lot more likely that their primary purpose will be annoy the people who either didn't/don't like Wendell, or are totally indifferent to him (which is the vast majority, I suspect). But hey, it's a free country.

Siddon

05-29-2008, 12:51 PM

I see 16 threads on page 1 and I can't help but feel that now is the time for Quasar to get his own forum.

I can't help but feel that all of this Quasar love should go someplace special and far far far far away from and and all other threads and topics.

You could call it Quasarpia, you people could all Quasarpians, I mean I am sure you people could come up with more provocative topics then the Ultimates or Hulk forums.

Rick Summers

05-29-2008, 12:51 PM

How's the petition going?

Rick Summers

05-29-2008, 12:53 PM

Actually my lawyers contacted his and we are in preliminary talks, but it looks like we are going to settle and Bring Back Wendell Vaughn as Quasar!:tongue:

Yeah baby! That's what I wanna hear!!!

Robo Ape

05-29-2008, 01:01 PM

I see 16 threads on page 1 and I can't help but feel that now is the time for Quasar to get his own forum.

I can't help but feel that all of this Quasar love should go someplace special and far away from all other threads and topics.

You could call it Quasarpia, you people could all Quasarpians, I mean I am sure you people could come up with more provocative topics then the Ultimates or Hulk forums.

Yes totally agree, I am tired of seeing so many threads started about this character. It effectively amounts to spamming the Marvel forum & I wish the mods would do something about it.

MichaelChen

05-29-2008, 01:03 PM

Iron Man, on the other hand, gets his power from his tech. Are we to believe that, if Tony Stark were to die, all his technology would be incinerated and no one would ever touch the armor again for the rest of time? No. It would be very easy for there to be a new Iron Man; all one needs to make Iron Man a Legacy Character is the armor. Rhodey knows this well.
.

That really wouldn't work long term. Stark isn't just a guy in armor, he's also incredibly brilliant. No way Rhodey could have engaged The Mandarin in the global chess-game that Stark did. If Rhodey had been Iron Man during that story, the world would have been destroyed right under his nose. You can't really replace Stark by putting Rhodey in the armor anymore than Batroc could replace Doom by wearing his armor.

mattbib

05-29-2008, 01:07 PM

If it was new discussion...well, even then, no.

But as it is it appears to be pointless bumps of months old threads. I have to imagine ED will be deleting the bumps and/or maybe warning the guy since it's essentially spam.

DaeJi

05-29-2008, 01:09 PM

Just merge it all into one big pointless "Quasar" thread and that should do the trick. But yeah, a lot of it is bumps from the usual Quasar nuts.

Colossus77

05-29-2008, 01:13 PM

I think all of the bumps are just from one person. Rather annoying.

Rick Summers

05-29-2008, 01:16 PM

To me, it's simple. A past story was changed, continuity was changed, to fit the writer's story needs. That's what happened, no argument. Right now, the Quantum Bands have been slightly altered to fit the needs of a writer's story.

I have a HUGE problem with this.
I don't think writers (although they do) should change foundational concepts willy nilly at their discretion. It irks me to no end. It's probably one of the biggest problems I have with comics right now. It bothers me enough that I feel like just abandoning the whole medium. And I LOVE comic...always have...so that's saying something.

Rick Summers

05-29-2008, 01:17 PM

I love how you continually update the site!

Rick Summers

05-29-2008, 01:18 PM

An adventure with Wendell and Pete would be cool :)

Siddon

05-29-2008, 01:27 PM

Well now we are up to 20 threads on Quasar

I would call it a Quaopoly

Rick Summers

05-29-2008, 01:30 PM

it's a free country.

Yes it is. :biggrin:

Madrox84

05-29-2008, 01:32 PM

I say yes.

On the proviso that it is a well thought out return and that it is well written and well drawn...

mattbib

05-29-2008, 01:32 PM

Well now we are up to 20 threads on Quasar

I would call it a Quaopoly
I'm going to start a few dozen Dakota North threads.

DaeJi

05-29-2008, 01:35 PM

I'm going to start a few dozen Dakota North threads.

Please do. I'm sick of seeing threads about Wendell.

Siddon

05-29-2008, 01:35 PM

I think bumping Punisher threads would be more aprapo

StoneGold

05-29-2008, 01:40 PM

Wendell was the everyman with cosmic responsibilities. Given your logic, Marvel should kill off every everyman character such as Spider-Man & Captain America (who is dead). I think this is basically an insult to the comic book audience.

How is a time-lost super soldier an everyman? Cap hasn't been an "everyman" since like the second page of his origin in 1941. He immediately segued into being perfection in human form.

For that matter, it's not like Quasar hasn't killed/tried to kill before. He squished Maelstrom to death (or it's closest equivalent) in a black hole. And he tried to Nullify Magus.

For that matter, it's not like Cap's hands are bloodless, even before Gruenwald had him firing the Uzi.

There are plenty of everyman characters left. Hell, Avengers: The Initiative is filled with them. That's not the problem with Wendell. It's that he was the cosmic pushover. It's literally in his origin story.

Dark Soul # 7

05-29-2008, 01:40 PM

They're all one the front page only because some Quasar fan is reviving every last Quasar thread he can find instead of starting new ones.

Colossus77

05-29-2008, 01:43 PM

How come he has not been banned?

Capt USA

05-29-2008, 01:46 PM

funny part is I could see having some fondness for the character, but realistically he was just a bit character that was pretty derivitive. I mean sure the new Quasar bites hard core, but it's not like Wendall was anything on the cool meter either. Yep he's better than Punisher (but that is because I like heroes) but he's miles behind guys like Hawkeye, Black Panther, Daredevil, Jack of Hearts, D-man, Impossible man, etc.

psm

05-29-2008, 01:49 PM

Wendell was the everyman character. I liked Wendell because he was a true hero who did not have a blood lust to kill. This is also Spider-Man & Captain America.

Okay, you obviously, don't understand what I'm saying. Wendell being an "everyman" character (whatever that means) doesn't mean that Spidey, Cap and Quasar will tell the same type of stories. There is more to a story than just one character trait. You must also include genre, themes, tones, character motivation and a slew of other factors.

Cap - Espionage, politics, style superhero comic with a soldier as the main character.
Spiderman - Soap operish, comedic, style superhero comic with a nerd as the main character.

Very different stories will be told (or at least should be) between the two characters.

However Quasar (Wendell) and Nova occupy the same types of niche (especially with the current status quo for Nova). The biggest difference between the two is that Nova is more popular. Ergo Wendell becomes redundant.

Nevets F

05-29-2008, 01:51 PM

Yeah, this is ridiculous. Rick Summers needs to chill.

Capt USA

05-29-2008, 01:54 PM

Okay, you obviously, don't understand what I'm saying. Wendell being an "everyman" character (whatever that means) doesn't mean that Spidey, Cap and Quasar will tell the same type of stories. There is more to a story than just one character trait. You must also include genre, themes, tones, character motivation and a slew of other factors.

Cap - Espionage, politics, style superhero comic with a soldier as the main character.
Spiderman - Soap operish, comedic, style superhero comic with a nerd as the main character.

Very different stories will be told (or at least should be) between the two characters.

However Quasar (Wendell) and Nova occupy the same types of niche (especially with the current status quo for Nova). The biggest difference between the two is that Nova is more popular. Ergo Wendell becomes redundant.

not that I'm defending the madness that is the Quasar legion(on par with hal jordan rabidphiles I would imagine) but Nova and Quasar aren't really similar stories except that they are cosmic in scope. Nova is a more militaristic/police way of looking at it, while Quasar is a more help the needy type of hero. They would both take a situation in completly different ways and could both do a good job and tell completly different stories.

Rick Summers

05-29-2008, 01:54 PM

Yeah, this is ridicules. Rick Summers needs to chill.

Ok ok I'm chilling already! Sheesh!
Nobody told me it was wrong to talk about a comic character I like on a comic book forum.
I didn't know!

StoneGold

05-29-2008, 01:56 PM

However Quasar (Wendell) and Nova occupy the same types of niche (especially with the current status quo for Nova). The biggest difference between the two is that Nova is more popular. Ergo Wendell becomes redundant.

If that were true, there wouldn't be three X-titles, two Wolverine books, two Iron Man books, you get the idea. There's theoretical space for both.

mattbib

05-29-2008, 01:57 PM

Ok ok I'm chilling already! Sheesh!
Nobody told me it was wrong to talk about a comic character I like on a comic book forum.
I didn't know!Talking about comics is fine. Bumping dozens of months old threads for the sake of bumping them, and not contributing anything new or relevant, is not.

DaeJi

05-29-2008, 01:57 PM

Ok ok I'm chilling already! Sheesh!
Nobody told me it was wrong to talk about a comic character I like on a comic book forum.
I didn't know!

It's bad to bump a ton of useless threads about a character only a small, small handful of characters like and clogging the first page of the Marvel Universe discussion boards.

StoneGold

05-29-2008, 01:58 PM

Ok ok I'm chilling already! Sheesh!
Nobody told me it was wrong to talk about a comic character I like on a comic book forum.
I didn't know!

If you were talking about him, it would be one thing. Bumping a bunch of threads without saying anything more substantial than "I like Quasar!", that ain't talking.

StoneGold

05-29-2008, 01:59 PM

It's bad to bump a ton of useless threads about a character only a small, small handful of characters like and clogging the first page of the Marvel Universe discussion boards.

Remind me of this quote next time you start a Phyla thread.

Not that you have in ages, just saying, neither character enjoys an enormous fanbase.

DaeJi

05-29-2008, 02:01 PM

Remind me of this quote next time you start a Phyla thread.

Not that you have in ages, just saying, neither character enjoys an enormous fanbase.

Where did I claim that Phyla had a huge fanbase? Hers is actually smaller. Please don't call me on crap that hasn't happen, least you look foolish.

Rick Summers

05-29-2008, 02:02 PM

Talking about comics is fine. Bumping dozens of months old threads for the sake of bumping them, and not contributing anything new or relevant, is not.

I apologize.
I didn't think it would be so upsetting.
I won't do that again.
If I am deserving of a ban then it's been fun talking here all these years and will miss you guys.

Siddon

05-29-2008, 02:07 PM

Where did I claim that Phyla had a huge fanbase? Hers is actually smaller. Please don't call me on crap that hasn't happen, least you look foolish.

Quasar breeds hate, the closer you get to the head band, mullet, and dayglo symbol the darker you become.

Tobias Drake

05-29-2008, 02:23 PM

That really wouldn't work long term. Stark isn't just a guy in armor, he's also incredibly brilliant. No way Rhodey could have engaged The Mandarin in the global chess-game that Stark did. If Rhodey had been Iron Man during that story, the world would have been destroyed right under his nose. You can't really replace Stark by putting Rhodey in the armor anymore than Batroc could replace Doom by wearing his armor.

A Legacy Character isn't supposed to be 100% the character that the original was. Bucky isn't the exact same man as Steve Rogers, with all the same strengths, weaknesses, and character traits. Neither is Phyla-Vell "Wendell Vaughn with boobs".

Rhodes has been Iron Man. He was not "Black Tony Stark". He was Jim Rhodes as Iron Man. And now, he's Jim Rhodes as War Machine, which is basically his own variant of Iron Man.

Tobias Drake

05-29-2008, 02:25 PM

Not necessarily his own forum, but perhaps his own merged thread. :tongue:

StoneGold

05-29-2008, 03:23 PM

Where did I claim that Phyla had a huge fanbase? Hers is actually smaller. Please don't call me on crap that hasn't happen, least you look foolish.

Didn't I just say you hadn't? In that comment?

Dark Soul # 7

05-29-2008, 04:37 PM

Wendell is DEAD!

Long live the new Quasar! Phyla-Vell!

Nevets F

05-29-2008, 04:38 PM

Wendell is DEAD!

Long live the new Quasar! Phyla-Vell!

Amen!!

:)

Rick Summers

05-29-2008, 05:04 PM

Amen!!

:)

Sorry to disappoint all the haters but some of us seem to have forgotten this scene:
http://www.thephoenixforce.com/LivingQuasarTalksToPhylla.jpg
My buddy seems to have overcome death yet again.

psm

05-29-2008, 07:29 PM

If that were true, there wouldn't be three X-titles, two Wolverine books, two Iron Man books, you get the idea. There's theoretical space for both.

Only if sales warrant it. Right now there isn't enough to support both Quasar and Nova. If you were Marvel which character would you pick?

psm

05-29-2008, 07:36 PM

not that I'm defending the madness that is the Quasar legion(on par with hal jordan rabidphiles I would imagine) but Nova and Quasar aren't really similar stories except that they are cosmic in scope. Nova is a more militaristic/police way of looking at it, while Quasar is a more help the needy type of hero. They would both take a situation in completly different ways and could both do a good job and tell completly different stories.

I'm going to simply disagree with you. I don't see much difference between the two and yes, I've collected both series. Especially, now with Nova having the worldmind, higher power level and being the only surviving member of the Nova corp. They have way more similarities than differences. Certainly, not enough differences to have both a Quasar and Nova series (imho).

ivesaidway2much

05-29-2008, 07:55 PM

Only if sales warrant it. Right now there isn't enough to support both Quasar and Nova. If you were Marvel which character would you pick?Two questions. First, since when is Nova popular enough to effect creative decisions? His book is barely hanging above cancellation numbers. Second, why does a Nova book preclude the existence of a Quasar book? There are tons of similar books on the market. Four or five superhero teen books. Three Hulk inspired books. Two punisher titles. Same with Iron Man. Two books featuring female leads more or less trying to become better heroes. And most of them are average to below average selling titles. What's special about the Nova-Quasar relationship?

psm

05-29-2008, 08:23 PM

Two questions. First, since when is Nova popular enough to effect creative decisions? His book is barely hanging above cancellation numbers. Second, why does a Nova book preclude the existence of a Quasar book? There are tons of similar books on the market. Four or five superhero teen books. Three Hulk inspired books. Two punisher titles. Same with Iron Man. Two books featuring female leads more or less trying to become better heroes. And most of them are average to below average selling titles. What's special about the Nova-Quasar relationship?

A Nova book precludes the existence of a Quasar (Wendell) book because they are basically the same character/genre/tone/powerset cutting into the same market. If Nova is having a tough time hanging on then Quasar would have even a harder time being less popular. Unless you truly believe that Quasar is the more popular character. I personally don't. Now if there was enough of an audience to support both books then I'm sure Marvel would publish them both. Hell, Marvel would add new books if they thought they could milk more money out of the cosmic protector of the universe shtick. Currently, there's not enough support for those types of stories. So if you're Marvel and you only have enough of an audience to support one of two characters which are almost completely interchangeable what would you do? You would publish the character with more name recognition and the bigger audience.

Abrojo

05-29-2008, 09:31 PM

I voted for Star Brand Quasar. The bands have already been tainted by being handed to the whiny gal, it seems they wherent as cool and selective as we thought. Now Star Brand Quasar with an attitude, that could be cool.

Dark Soul # 7

05-30-2008, 06:46 AM

Sorry to disappoint all the haters but some of us seem to have forgotten this scene:
http://www.thephoenixforce.com/LivingQuasarTalksToPhylla.jpg
My buddy seems to have overcome death yet again.Actually he pretty much just says that he's following Annihilus into the realm of death so he's still dead.

He can always come back, just not as Quasar.

stingerman

05-30-2008, 08:55 AM

Quasar Megathread? Where have I been? LOL!

Man, he should have his own forum

Comic Book Resources Forums > Marvel Comics Forums > Marvel Universe > Best Damn Superhero Ever!> Wendell Rules!

stingerman

05-30-2008, 08:56 AM

Still waiting for that Quasar (Wendell) Series... :evilsmile:

Me too! I think I am going to hit up the Executive Editors with some letters next! Brevoort first started working for Marvel when Quasar #1 came out!

Expletive Deleted

05-30-2008, 08:57 AM

Man, he should have his own forum.No, he shouldn't.

Rick Summers

05-30-2008, 09:15 AM

No, he shouldn't.

You are of course entitled to your own opinion.
I just vehemently disagree :tongue:

Adding the word "obnoxious" to the title of this thread (whoever did it) is just low.
People "talk" about the posters on CBR and then crap like this just makes the rumors seem true.
I never wanted to believe it but now I'm wondering.
If this thread was about a character that YOU liked, I'm sure that word would not have been added.
If you're trying to push my frustration level to it's limit, you're making good progress.
Why can't we all just get along?

DaeJi

05-30-2008, 01:33 PM

This thread title is full of win.

Nevets F

05-30-2008, 01:43 PM

You are of course entitled to your own opinion.
I just vehemently disagree :tongue:

Adding the word "obnoxious" to the title of this thread (whoever did it) is just low.
People "talk" about the posters on CBR and then crap like this just makes the rumors seem true.
I never wanted to believe it but now I'm wondering.
If this thread was about a character that YOU liked, I'm sure that word would not have been added.
If you're trying to push my frustration level to it's limit, you're making good progress.
Why can't we all just get along?

You made it obnoxious by spamming the entire Marvel Universe forum yesterday. You did not in any way contribute to anything, other than "bumping" something like 16 threads. It was obnoxious.

Rick Summers

05-30-2008, 02:06 PM

You made it obnoxious by spamming the entire Marvel Universe forum yesterday. You did not in any way contribute to anything, other than "bumping" something like 16 threads. It was obnoxious.

I acknowledged I was wrong and have apologized.
What else do you want me to do Steven? Get on my knees? Lay prostrate before you? Lick your boots? What will make you happy or do you just hate me that much?

stingerman

05-30-2008, 04:28 PM

Again, one has little choice but to assume that there was a mutual interest on the part of some creator and Marvel's editorial board to tell a story involving those other characters. And that in the case of Wendell, no such mutual (or perhaps even singular) interest exists.

I agree with this. I think the current crop are more Starlin fanboys.

Interesting though, both Andy Schmidt and the Nova writers were not fans of Nova but they still gave him a shot and saw he had potential.

source-Nova Fanzine Rocket Boosters-
http://www.novaprimepage.com/fanzine.htm

stingerman

05-30-2008, 04:33 PM

You can buy a blonde wig...no excuse LOL

Yeah, I could. I guess...:biggrin:

stingerman

05-30-2008, 04:35 PM

All things considered, it might work...

That was already brought up in the reg Quasar series regarding his secretary. And we all know Q has a kid. I guess you guys can dream though :biggrin:

stingerman

05-30-2008, 04:38 PM

Wow, I don't know what the frig happened but can I throw something out to the mods?

How about changing it to a "Wendell Vaughn Appreciation" thread.

This way us rabid Q fans can interact here and the people who are sick of reading about Quasar (yet always post and read :rolleyes: ) can ignore the thread?

Thanks.

wallred

05-31-2008, 01:25 PM

You know, some of us were trying to have at least a semi-intelligent discussion before the merge and childish rename of this thread.
Mods, if you don't want us to talk Quasar here, then just ask us not to.

Expletive Deleted

05-31-2008, 07:03 PM

If this thread was about a character that YOU liked, I'm sure that word would not have been added.I liked Wendell Vaughn quite a lot, actually. He was my favorite comic book characters of the early '90s.

And as for the thread title . . . these last few days, it fit. It was a bit blunt on my part, I admit, but I think it conveyed the message well. If you want to talk Quasar of any particular stripe, go right ahead. Just do it in a manner that's considerate of other posters.
Wow, I don't know what the frig happened but can I throw something out to the mods? How about changing it to a "Wendell Vaughn Appreciation" thread.Now that my point has been made, I'm thinking "The Wendell 'Quasar' Vaughn Memorial Megathread" has a nice ring to it.

aniscape

05-31-2008, 10:29 PM

I liked Wendell Vaughn quite a lot, actually. He was my favorite comic book characters of the early '90s.

And as for the thread title . . . these last few days, it fit. It was a bit blunt on my part, I admit, but I think it conveyed the message well. If you want to talk Quasar of any particular stripe, go right ahead. Just do it in a manner that's considerate of other posters.Now that my point has been made, I'm thinking "The Wendell 'Quasar' Vaughn Memorial Megathread" has a nice ring to it.

Thanks ED for the name change...I know things can get heated and in all honesty I was taken aback by the name you had prior on this thread... I understand where it came from but still no reason to title the whole thing like that since the rest is very mutli-topic driven Wendell discussion from the last 2 years.

I know I haven't been posting too much lately but I find it keeping low is better for me to be able to enjoy other Marvel titles that I buy and enjoy...I do check in from time to time :)

stingerman

07-16-2008, 12:00 PM

Why Wendell Was Axed

Part 1 - http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=313975072&blogID=415257269

Part 2 - http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=313975072&blogID=415267588

Part 3 - coming soon

Brother Zag

07-16-2008, 12:13 PM

Hey "Stingerman"!

Long time no post... I've been working on Panthea Obscura #3... but I tried to use your links, Matt, and got error pages from myspace. Thought you should know.

Mike

stingerman

07-16-2008, 12:15 PM

Hey "Stingerman"!

Long time no post... I've been working on Panthea Obscura #3... but I tried to use your links, Matt, and got error pages from myspace. Thought you should know.

Mike

Yeah, I am too -sometimes. I think its Myspace.

Looking forward to issue 3!

Brother Zag

07-16-2008, 02:28 PM

Looking forward to issue 3!

One week from today!

Some of Juan Carlos' best artwork, yet. And stuff gets more interesting, I hope!!

I'll try those links again... btw... you can add me as a friend on myspace if you want, just glowinthedarkradio for the member name.

moochavelli

07-16-2008, 05:34 PM

Good stuff, Stingerman! To be honest, I thought you meant something else when you said you'd keep "bugging the guys at Marvel". Way to go. :biggrin:

wallred

07-16-2008, 09:33 PM

Rick Summers

07-17-2008, 07:33 AM

Brother Zag

07-17-2008, 10:09 AM

heh... working now. Nice "fly on the wall" stuff. Might be giving a little too much credit on background knowledge and care for continuity, tho...

stingerman

07-17-2008, 11:18 AM

heh... working now. Nice "fly on the wall" stuff. Might be giving a little too much credit on background knowledge and care for continuity, tho...

Well, I was hoping that they put just a little bit of thought into things!

Brother Zag

07-17-2008, 12:13 PM

Well, I was hoping that they put just a little bit of thought into things!

I dunno... i think you're an optimist! But that's a necessary qualification for a Wendell fan :wink:

The guys who have shown a depth of knowledge and a care for continuity are DnA... methinks you might have uncovered part of the NOVA Secret Invasion tie in's storyline. From solicits:

Back on Earth in the middle of the biggest and most insidious alien invasion ever, Richard Rider battles to safeguard the only people he can trust... his family! Rich’s kid brother now works at the famous Project Pegasus... and that means he’s right in the Skrulls' firing line! It’s blistering cosmic-powered action as the last Nova Centurion stands against an entire Skrull strike force hell-bent on securing Project Pegasus's secret weapons for themselves! And take it from us, the last page shocker will knock Nova upside his helmet!

Wouldn't it be cool if the last page shocker was... Wendell?

stingerman

07-17-2008, 06:17 PM

I dunno... i think you're an optimist! But that's a necessary qualification for a Wendell fan :wink:

The guys who have shown a depth of knowledge and a care for continuity are DnA... methinks you might have uncovered part of the NOVA Secret Invasion tie in's storyline. From solicits:

Wouldn't it be cool if the last page shocker was... Wendell?

Naah, I think Rich's bro turns out to be a Skrull!

As for DnA they wrote Wendell's death so...

Due to popular demand folks, here it is again!

http://www.bringbackwendell.com/dnasi.jpg

Tetsuo_man

07-17-2008, 08:43 PM

stingerman

07-17-2008, 09:39 PM

stingerman

07-17-2008, 10:39 PM

Why Wendell Was Axed

Part 3 - http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=313975072&blogID=415870909

aniscape

07-18-2008, 03:24 PM

Great work there Stingerman...soo...who was your insider for these tidbits of information?

Brother Zag

07-18-2008, 10:29 PM

Is that the dreaded DnA (a duo who write interesting cosmic sh*t but who don't care the slightest about what came before them to an extent that if they got their sh*t together on doing the past right could be the best cosmic writers but whome are just now ok)? Never seen them in reality.

Huh?

You obviously haven't been reading the books I have, or you wouldn't be such a negative energy black hole. DnA's appreciation for and incorporation of cosmic continuity is outstanding. I've been reading the cosmic stuff since the late seventies, and DnA have picked up the gauntlet and run with it mightily.

I would argue that your animosity towards DnA for writing Wendell's death is misplaced. Killing characters is a high level editorial decision. Andy Schmidt told us we can blame him. And, as Stingerman speculates, it probably came from even higher up. Their work on NOVA, Annihilation: Conquest and now, especially, Guardians of the Galaxy places them right up there with Starlin and Giffen for my money.

Tetsuo_man

07-18-2008, 10:56 PM

Huh?

You obviously haven't been reading the books I have, or you wouldn't be such a negative energy black hole. DnA's appreciation for and incorporation of cosmic continuity is outstanding. I've been reading the cosmic stuff since the late seventies, and DnA have picked up the gauntlet and run with it mightily.

I would argue that your animosity towards DnA for writing Wendell's death is misplaced. Killing characters is a high level editorial decision. Andy Schmidt told us we can blame him. And, as Stingerman speculates, it probably came from even higher up. Their work on NOVA, Annihilation: Conquest and now, especially, Guardians of the Galaxy places them right up there with Starlin and Giffen for my money.

Well they aitn fans of wendell. They also seem to prefer their personal favorites (cough phyla cough) to some classic cosmic characters.

Tetsuo_man

07-18-2008, 10:59 PM

stingerman knows what i'm talkign about.

Brother Zag

07-19-2008, 09:23 AM

Working for the big two, writers work with what they're given, Tetsuo. I believe the shape of the tale was thought out well before they wrote their piece in NOVA that gives Wendell fans apoplexy. As Schmidt and Giffen were responsible for plotting Annihilation, your animosity towards DnA is a bit misplaced. They tried to make the bad work within their story.

Even Stingerman sees the heavy hand of Marvel editorial at work, when you read his entertaining fly-on-the-wall speculations. The worst thing DnA may have done is come up with the way that Wendell was killed. The way they write Nova, Warlock, Star Lord, Rocket Raccoon, bringing in Major Victory and Starhawk... all show a great love for the characters and respect for their continuity. I would argue that Phyla/Quasar is one of the few characters they don't seem to know what to do with... perhaps because she doesn't have the background the other characters do.

I wasn't a Wendell fan when I was first reading Annihilation (the original) mostly because I didn't collect/read comics from '87 to '99, but thanks to Aniscape and Stingerman and other hard core Wendell fans on the CBR Annihilation board (R.I.P.), I began collecting back issues and grew to appreciate Gruenwald's take on the character and all he represented. I finally GOT what agony the death of Wendell caused his fans, especially after seeing him return in such a cool fashion. But I don't blame DnA for this, any more than I blame JMS for "One More Day".

Lord S

07-19-2008, 09:40 AM

Why Wendell Was Axed

Part 3 - http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=313975072&blogID=415870909 Good stuff...can't wait to see part 4.

It's sad to see how much stroke a single writer can have to the point where he can control the entire company and have the EIC eating out of his hand. Sort of like in wrestling when a wrestler has creative input and booking power enough to bury whoever he wants to elevate himself to the top...ie. Triple H, (but that's for another thread!)

stingerman

07-19-2008, 08:46 PM

Triple H, (but that's for another thread!)

Who'd he marry again? LOL.

Tetsuo_man

07-19-2008, 09:25 PM

Who'd he marry again? LOL.

the boss's daughter...

stingerman

07-20-2008, 08:03 AM

the boss's daughter...

Yeah, I know. LOL! I watch Raw and once won front row seats to a show with a meet and greet back stage. It was pretty cool.

Whoops back on topic...

Why Wendell Was Axed Part 4 should be up soon.

stingerman

07-22-2008, 07:58 PM

http://www.bringbackwendell.com

True Believers!

I overhauled the site completely. Modeled after Marvel.com

-Includes Marvel Cosmic News on main page
-Includes http://www.quantumzone.org/forum latest posts
-"Let Joe Know" flash movie - http://www.bringbackwendell.com/petition.html
:biggrin:

stingerman

08-08-2008, 07:16 PM

History of BringBackWendell.com/Quasar Campaign (ongoing):

http://www.projectfanboy.com/wikifans/index.php?title=BringBackWendell.com

stingerman

08-12-2008, 10:03 PM

Here is the Petition up at the Marvel offices! LOL!

http://www.bringbackwendell.com/marvel3thumb.JPG

http://www.bringbackwendell.com/marvel1.JPG

aniscape

08-13-2008, 06:59 AM

I would be interested to know if that really was Robert Downey Jr. Signing that...does anyone know what his real sig looks like?

Kyle_Ion

08-13-2008, 01:55 PM

any news from the powers that be at marvel if there thinking or will bring back wendell vaughn

stingerman

08-13-2008, 05:40 PM

any news from the powers that be at marvel if there thinking or will bring back wendell vaughn

Breaking News- :biggrin:

http://www.bringbackwendell.com/breakingnews.html

Kyle_Ion

08-13-2008, 05:54 PM

Breaking News- :biggrin:

http://www.bringbackwendell.com/breakingnews.html

see thats what I don't understand there is so much story ideas and events that can be used for Cosmic Comic Book Series. Why doesn't Quesada like Cosmic Comic Book series, as I said there is so much potential for all cosmic comic book series ie

Quasar comic series (be it phyla-vell or Wendel Vaughn)
Silver Surfer comic series
Nova comic series
Starlord comic series
Wraith comic series

stingerman

08-13-2008, 09:16 PM

see thats what I don't understand there is so much story ideas and events that can be used for Cosmic Comic Book Series. Why doesn't Quesada like Cosmic Comic Book series, as I said there is so much potential for all cosmic comic book series ie

Quasar comic series (be it phyla-vell or Wendel Vaughn)
Silver Surfer comic series
Nova comic series
Starlord comic series
Wraith comic series

I don't know why he doesn't maybe he just doesn't like space adventures. He did say as long as they continue to sell he'll publish them so...they seem to be doing pretty good compared to some of the stuff.

LungerTony

08-13-2008, 09:47 PM

I guess some people NEED a cause to live.
And this guy's cause if to ressurect a C-list comic hero from fictional annhilation.

stingerman

08-13-2008, 09:52 PM

I guess some people NEED a cause to live.
And this guy's cause if to ressurect a C-list comic hero from fictional annhilation.

I'm living just fine, brother. Maybe you need to stop being an a-hole and get a life of your own. Have a nice day! :smile:

Satyrquaze

08-14-2008, 06:29 AM

I guess some people NEED a cause to live.
And this guy's cause if to ressurect a C-list comic hero from fictional annhilation.

http://digg.com/people/Local_Idiot_To_Post_Comment_On_Internet

Rick Summers

08-14-2008, 06:40 AM

I guess some people NEED a cause to live.
And this guy's cause if to ressurect a C-list comic hero from fictional annhilation.

If one doesn't have a cause to live then what prevents one from committing suicide when times get rough? It's an honest question.

And calling Quasar a "c-list" character is just YOUR opinion, not everyone's. Different strokes for different folks. Variety is the spice of life. Sounds corny, I know, but it's true.

freddy1428

08-14-2008, 07:20 AM

How do you know that Quesada hate cosmic stories ?

Expletive Deleted

08-14-2008, 07:51 AM

If one doesn't have a cause to live then what prevents one from committing suicide when times get rough? It's an honest question.Friends? Family? Community?

No offense, but if devotion to a fictional character is the only thing that makes life worth living for someone, that person's got some pretty deep problems.

Expletive Deleted

08-14-2008, 08:01 AM

How do you know that Quesada hate cosmic stories ?He's said so. Well, not so much that he hates them as that they're just not his thing.

This is something that gets kind of blown out of proportion by cosmic Marvel fans. Quesada doesn't have to love something to recognize that other people do, to delegate responsibility to people who get it, and to be willing to publish their work. Which he does, he did, and he is.

Look at it this way: Quesada's not the reason we don't have a dozen cosmic titles. He is a big part of the reason we have two instead of none at all.

stingerman

08-14-2008, 08:56 AM

No offense, but if devotion to a fictional character is the only thing that makes life worth living for someone, that person's got some pretty deep problems.

Note: The above statement does not apply to Stingerman. :smile: Have a nice day.

However if the person in question does have some issues and a cause helps them out - more power to them, hey whatever works and makes them feel good is cool.

stingerman

08-14-2008, 09:17 AM

I guess some people NEED a cause to live.
And this guy's cause if to ressurect a C-list comic hero from fictional annhilation.

Note: The Wendell "Quasar" Vaughn Memorial Megathread

Have a nice day! :biggrin:

http://www.autographink.co.uk/data/items/526-thumb.jpg

Rick Summers

08-14-2008, 09:32 AM

Friends? Family? Community?

No offense, but if devotion to a fictional character is the only thing that makes life worth living for someone, that person's got some pretty deep problems.

No offense taken.
I'm just wondering who is being accused of solely having devotion to a fake person and no one else in their REAL life? No one here is like that. Especially NOT Stingerman.
If you don't know someone personally than making such a harsh judgement with no basis in truth makes one look pretty darn stupid.
If this doesn't apply to you then I'm obviously not directing this toward you.

Having passion about a comic character (in this case Quasar) can be a "hobby" in life without interfering with ones REAL-LIFE responsibilities. Wendell isn't even my number one favorite character but I enjoy talking about him with other fans. He's probably my number 2 favorite actually.
Eventually I'll have my own site for him up (work in progress) but real life is a little too busy to complete it the way I want to right now. That's normal. I'm not losing sleep over it because again, it's just a hobby.

By the way, I have always loved the character of Thor too. I think I have at least one long box of comics just on him. I'm listening with an open mind to both sides of this argument.

Expletive Deleted

08-14-2008, 09:39 AM

If this doesn't apply to you then I'm obviously not directing this toward you.Well, sure. I was taken aback by the mention of preventing suicide and was responding to that statement generally, not referring to anyone in specific.

So, anyway . . . how about that Quasar fellow? He's nifty!

Rick Summers

08-14-2008, 09:55 AM

So, anyway . . . how about that Quasar fellow? He's nifty!

Well gosh darn it I gotta admit you're right!!! LOL.

freddy1428

08-14-2008, 03:34 PM

He's said so. Well, not so much that he hates them as that they're just not his thing.

This is something that gets kind of blown out of proportion by cosmic Marvel fans. Quesada doesn't have to love something to recognize that other people do, to delegate responsibility to people who get it, and to be willing to publish their work. Which he does, he did, and he is.

Look at it this way: Quesada's not the reason we don't have a dozen cosmic titles. He is a big part of the reason we have two instead of none at all.

Thank you for the answer Expletive Deleted, it's very different to hate something and don't have the taste of it, I think, but it's just my opinion, he do a cool work for to promote cosmic stories, despite it's not his style I find him very professional about that.

wallred

08-14-2008, 06:47 PM

So, anyway . . . how about that Quasar fellow? He's nifty!

He sure is!
Definitely my favorite hero.
And, to be fair to Quasar, he's B list, not C list. He did have a series that last 60 issues after all...not many solo Marvel super-heroes can say that.

DaeJi

08-14-2008, 08:44 PM

He sure is!
Definitely my favorite hero.
And, to be fair to Quasar, he's B list, not C list. He did have a series that last 60 issues after all...not many solo Marvel super-heroes can say that.

He's a C-List. ROM the Spaceknight (a D-List at best, probably a No-List considering that Marvel can't publish him) had a series that lasted 75 issues. Really not a good measure of what 'list' a character belongs on. Fan demand is a much better measure.

Kyle_Ion

08-14-2008, 11:20 PM

Rick Summers

08-15-2008, 04:00 AM

He's a C-List. ROM the Spaceknight (a D-List at best, probably a No-List considering that Marvel can't publish him) had a series that lasted 75 issues. Really not a good measure of what 'list' a character belongs on. Fan demand is a much better measure.

Well this is an argument that will get no good resolution.
But if I had to gauge it I'd say a better scale would be how many fan sites there are for a character and how developed those sites are. A one page site doesn't hold as much weight as a multi-page site obviously.
Really though...beauty is in the eye of the beholder and we have many different opinionated beholders. Thank goodness we're not all the same else this world would be a very boring place!

freddy1428

08-15-2008, 05:23 AM

Sincerely I don't care if a hero is a C or B listed character, lot of heroes not very well know are way better that A list character imo, for example my favorite style is the cosmic style and there are just D, C or B characters, but I prefer them lot more that all the earth heroes and have in my opinion a better stories that the others.

Wendell is maybe just a C character or a B character, but I have not doubt for his fans (Wallred, Stingerman, Rick Summers and others) he is a strong A character in their hearts.

Frank

08-15-2008, 05:47 AM

Maybe it would be fun to ask Quasar fans how they would like Wendell to return?

Kyle_Ion

08-15-2008, 05:53 AM

Maybe it would be fun to ask Quasar fans how they would like Wendell to return?

the way I see it would be in a huge event, thru out the event all the heroes are struggling but at the last minute, wendell shows up and assaults the foe with such a vengeance that shocks all the heroes and he is sporting new powers that he gets from the quantum zone with out the quantum bands.

ColdFury

08-15-2008, 06:22 AM

That's the sort of bump that would burn out almost any character.

I think the best way to bring back Quasar would be a new series or mini-series dedicated to the event. I think it would need to deal with his ressurection, either tied to his time as Infinity's Avatar or Epoch decided to create her own champion. Care would need to be taken as to why he's able to do this so as not to make him seem immortal or unvanquishable. Also a bit of explanation as to how he got so completely pwned might be in order.

A new villain/cause would need to be hammered out for the plot, possibly a new cosmic menace targeting Epoch. Getting Gravity to guest star as Epoch's 'First' Protector of the Universe could be played for amusing bits. Apperances by Makkari or Her would be welcome, but might make things too muddled. Kayla would have to be dumped altogether to avoid the continuity mess that is the New Universe Earth that has been retconned out of being in our universe by Mr. Brevort.

An easy solution to the Phyla / Wendell issue would be to have Epoch create her own instruments for her to give to her own Protector's of the Universe.... which just happen to be Quantum Bands as well!

Wendell could have his own adventures, Phyla could have hers, we'd probably want a name change for Phyla at some point but that could be done gradually or at a later point. I do think it should be a point to maintain their distinct power levels. Wendell obviously is a master of his bands while Phyla is a novice, and I think for the sake of not nerfing all GotG villains in the future it'd be good to keep it that way. As it is, I'm yelling at her each issue to stop being a moron when they fight something. ^_^

Some possible story hooks for the first few issues, depending on the state of the MU could be Quasar vs SHIELD as they detect him a la Nova, but with Iron Man not present things escalated and it would be nice to flex Quasar's power muscles a bit and show him hold even with a Shield compliment and the Wisconsin Initiative team. A Quasar / Thor team-up (it's practically a tradition of sorts). Guardians of the Galaxy crossover. Maybe do something with the Squadron Supreme, and of course everyone's favorite Q-ball ally, the Aquarian. (okay, maybe not.)

Not sure of rogues, aside from Angler and 'chick who tried to steal the Starbrand' not sure if Quasar has any real rogues. I suppose Darkstar and the Presence wouldn't like him much.

Would this be marketable? I dunno. If Nova sells, and you could differentiate it enough with Quasar, I think it'd be doable.

freddy1428

08-15-2008, 06:47 AM

I do myself a fan story despite I'm a Phyla fans, I hope you like that, if you want I can continue my stories for to complete that.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=186475&page=27

stingerman

08-15-2008, 04:53 PM

I have thought of many many way to bring back Wendell! :biggrin:

ColdFury, that was a great post!

First thing, we need a good writer who knows the character! This guy or gal has to do his research!

Anway, as far as Wendell returning...

-I don't think I would want the Annihilation Wendell to be a skrull. Even though he did act like one! Plus, the skrull could not get Wendell's nose right! - Broken Skrull Nose! For this, I had something in mind like Wendell was super far out in the universe and did not know what was going on etc etc etc Nova finds him and is surprised etc etc etc. Too easy.

-Now this one I kinda like and fits in with the Gaurdians of the Galaxy and the Starhawk return. Why was Wendell so powerless against Annihilus? Why did he disintegrate? Where did he go? Where is he now? Who is responsible? Who could effect the bands?! None other than...

http://www.bringbackwendell.com/Era.jpg

ColdFury

08-15-2008, 05:44 PM

stingerman

08-15-2008, 06:15 PM

I don't know about using Era. That would be tying Quasar to a C-list villain from a B-list comic that's been obscure for ages, and would involve a lot of continuity explanations as to why Epoch didn't know of Era or at least never mentioned him.

It would probably be better to either try to come up with a new cosmic villain, or find one with potential to be as close to Thanos level badass as you could accomplish and try to elevate them. Having him fight a "Cosmic Power" starts involving the meta of the Galaxy, which Marvel is loathe to do lately. The only two we've seen lately are Uatu, Stranger and Galactus, and all of those sparingly. I don't think they want to go back to an Infinity War era where the cosmic beings all chilled out fighting mega-villains while Earth's Heroes caught rides in their cosmic space trunks.

So limiting the cosmic involvement to Epoch or a brief mention of Infinity would probably be best, and then try to keep it more grounded at that point.

Oh, I forgot Deathurge. He's definitely on Quasar's 'rogues' list, but he is indisposed at the moment.

Edit: Oh, I forgot to mention. Tying it to the old GotG in anyway could really curbstomp any potential pitch as it would potentially affect plans of the new GotG.

Well, regarding Epoch knowing about Era it could be explained away by saying Era hid himself etc etc (there powers are similar/cancel each other out). Afterall, Era seems to be a master of some sort of dimension/universe travelling I believe it mentioned something like that in the original GOTG.

Also, it would enable the GOTG and Wendell to fight together against Era etc etc.

It just seems a guy like Thanos or Deathurge wouldn't be powerful/capable enough to mess with the bands. Era could, as shown in the original. - - explains why the bands "floated" away from Annihilis as they did with Starhawk and Surfer--

Rick Summers

09-25-2008, 10:02 AM

Does ANYBODY here read Nova?
This is a time for rejoicing I say!

stingerman

09-25-2008, 10:15 AM

Hey, guys look for a special Bring Back Wendell Vaughn As Quasar Newsletter later tonight.

Sign-Up: https://app.expressemailmarketing.com/Survey.aspx?SFID=53388

I e-mailed Bill Rosemann saying thanks etc, and if he gives me permission I will post his reply in it.

Rick Summers

09-25-2008, 11:51 AM

You know what would taste really good right now?
A cake.
Maybe with with Quasar on it...yeah that sounds good.

stingerman

09-25-2008, 09:02 PM

You know what would taste really good right now?
A cake.
Maybe with with Quasar on it...yeah that sounds good.

Or Daeji, DOH! :biggrin:

DaeJi

09-25-2008, 09:34 PM

Or Daeji, DOH! :biggrin:

What about me?

Frank

09-25-2008, 11:10 PM

Does ANYBODY here read Nova?
This is a time for rejoicing I say!

You bet. Let's rejoice! The drawings i've seen so far of that issue it's like Quasar seems to have merged with the Quantum energy. But i'm not sure if the free spirit/smiling angle should be what Wendel would be like in the futur. I don't mind him being this way for the storyline but Wendell is more of a thoughtful, almost serious individual. Sort of a cosmic Steve Roger, not a cosmic Meggan(Excalibur). You know what I would have liked for his role to be? After Secret Invasion, have him be the protector of the Infinity Gems. And a new set of powers would come from that.

wallred

09-26-2008, 06:25 AM

Does ANYBODY here read Nova?
This is a time for rejoicing I say!

Much rejoicing...I've been grinning like an idiot all day (of course, that assumes I'm not an idiot normally).
The last page of Nova #17 turned a really good issue of Nova into a great issue of Nova.

40yearoldnovafan

09-26-2008, 07:34 AM

You bet. Let's rejoice! The drawings i've seen so far of that issue it's like Quasar seems to have merged with the Quantum energy. But i'm not sure if the free spirit/smiling angle should be what Wendel would be like in the futur. I don't mind him being this way for the storyline but Wendell is more of a thoughtful, almost serious individual. Sort of a cosmic Steve Roger, not a cosmic Meggan(Excalibur). You know what I would have liked for his role to be? After Secret Invasion, have him be the protector of the Infinity Gems. And a new set of powers would come from that.

Think about this. Wendell will not be Protector of the Universe or Protector of the Infinity Gems. He will be Protector of the Worldmind and/or the Xandarian Culture. I'm calling it right here.

Jimmy

wallred

09-26-2008, 08:04 AM

Think about this. Wendell will not be Protector of the Universe or Protector of the Infinity Gems. He will be Protector of the Worldmind and/or the Xandarian Culture. I'm calling it right here.

Jimmy

Interesting idea, but I really like the Nova Prime in that role. Also, there really does need to be a Protector of the Universe, in my opinion. I don't think Phyla really fits the bill...Gravity, neither (of course, I consider the "Epoch" that appeared in those Fantastic Four issues to be Era and not the 616 Epoch...mainly because the story was full of so much suck).
If Rich doesn't have the WorldMind anymore, that really changes the dynamic of the book, and I'm not certain if that would be for best. I'd like to see more Novas, but not so many that Rich is greatly diminished in power. I'd like to see him at the limit (without the chance of going all Super-Nova) with a small force of Novas to help patrol the cosmos.

Frank

09-26-2008, 09:18 AM

XPac

09-26-2008, 09:25 AM

Interesting idea, but I really like the Nova Prime in that role. Also, there really does need to be a Protector of the Universe, in my opinion. I don't think Phyla really fits the bill...Gravity, neither (of course, I consider the "Epoch" that appeared in those Fantastic Four issues to be Era and not the 616 Epoch...mainly because the story was full of so much suck).
If Rich doesn't have the WorldMind anymore, that really changes the dynamic of the book, and I'm not certain if that would be for best. I'd like to see more Novas, but not so many that Rich is greatly diminished in power. I'd like to see him at the limit (without the chance of going all Super-Nova) with a small force of Novas to help patrol the cosmos.

I'm actually betting Marvel Boy will end up Protector of the Universe. I'm assuming the only reason they had Gravity say no to the offer was to save it for him. But we'll see.

As far as more Nova's go... I don't think his power levels being diminished seem like an issue since I frankly think his power levels already seem diminished. He doesn't really come off that uber anymore anyways, so him being depowered a bit to give other Nova's their power probably won't even be noticible.

stingerman

09-26-2008, 04:42 PM

Who cares about the damn Xandarian cutlure?

I do.

Its sort of like studying Martial Arts and being interested in the Japanese Samurai, Bushido etc.

Get it?

freddy1428

09-28-2008, 04:35 AM

I have a question for Wendell fans, now he is comeback, do you continue to boycott every appearance of Phyla-vell ? If yes, what the reason to continue the boycott about her.

agrich

09-28-2008, 06:10 AM

I have a question for Wendell fans, now he is comeback, do you continue to boycott every appearance of Phyla-vell ? If yes, what the reason to continue the boycott about her.

I doubt the "boycott" has had any kind of measurable effect on sales of things like Conquest or Guardians. Seems like a lot of huge Wendell fans read and talk about those things. Certainly Wendell's return, assuming it's him, isn't related to any boycott.

Wendell fans should just be glad he's apparently back. Thinking about a limited or ongoing for the character is far-fetched. If Marvel thought he could support such a thing today they wouldn't have killed the guy. Supporting role in Nova is probably the best-case scenario...maybe a guest appearance in Guardians to talk to Phylla or whatever.

freddy1428

09-28-2008, 06:22 AM

I doubt the "boycott" has had any kind of measurable effect on sales of things like Conquest or Guardians. Seems like a lot of huge Wendell fans read and talk about those things. Certainly Wendell's return, assuming it's him, isn't related to any boycott.

Wendell fans should just be glad he's apparently back. Thinking about a limited or ongoing for the character is far-fetched. If Marvel thought he could support such a thing today they wouldn't have killed the guy. Supporting role in Nova is probably the best-case scenario...maybe a guest appearance in Guardians to talk to Phylla or whatever.

Of course Agrich, I know the boycott of 10 fans can't do anything, the success of Guardians of Galaxy is important, idem for Nova, it's clear it's for that there are a return of Wendell and ironically, we can say thank you to Phyla for that :tongue: .

I just want to have their opinion about that, they have been really vocal about the death of their hero and what they think about Phyla, I just want to know if they continue to boycott her appearance (in GOtG or others) or they will stop that, it's important because I really would like to know their motivation.

Kyle_Ion

09-28-2008, 08:05 AM

I doubt the "boycott" has had any kind of measurable effect on sales of things like Conquest or Guardians. Seems like a lot of huge Wendell fans read and talk about those things. Certainly Wendell's return, assuming it's him, isn't related to any boycott.

Wendell fans should just be glad he's apparently back. Thinking about a limited or ongoing for the character is far-fetched. If Marvel thought he could support such a thing today they wouldn't have killed the guy. Supporting role in Nova is probably the best-case scenario...maybe a guest appearance in Guardians to talk to Phylla or whatever.

Well the thing is that he has had a ongoing series that lasted 60 issues, some people might think it wasn't that great but I disagree- if I had to give a grade to his previous ongoing I would give his first and so far only series a B-. I'm of the belief that Marvel has a ulterior motive for wendell and I think that it will (hopefully) lead into an ongoing. Wendell could have his own series and act like mentor/guardian of Phyla-Vell

stingerman

09-28-2008, 08:11 AM

I have a question for Wendell fans, now he is comeback, do you continue to boycott every appearance of Phyla-vell ? If yes, what the reason to continue the boycott about her.

I do. Fact - she is still being called Quasar. And we don't know if this is Wendell, yet. However, this may change with the She-Hulk Cosmic Collision issue or another GoTG issue.

I'll probably buy the issue where "they all die" (DNA), I have been looking forward to that for a long time. ;)

Here is what I posted at the quantumzone.org/forum regarding this recently:

http://www.quantumzone.org/forum/Default.aspx?g=posts&m=5861#5861

Regarding GoTG, I have to say I have really enjoyed the last couple issues-- However, I did not buy them. Some of us here decided to boycott anything Phyla related (I continue to do so), no matter what, to support the true Quasar. I kinda see it as agreeing with whatever they did/to with Wendell and Phyla. So I choose not to agree and I still do.

I (we) always said from the get go that Phyla never needed the quantum-bands (already had nega-bands) and never needed to be called Quasar in order to have her current powers. Its not like they were using the q-bands the "right" way anyway, imo. They could have just as easily tweaked her nega-bands to achieve this. One other thing this caused, that perhaps they never thought of, was all the uproar over Quasar's "death" and Phyla taking over the title. There is a long history about that from CBR when then editor of Annihilation, Andy Schmidt, was posting over there. (go here to read up on that (http://www.projectfanboy.com/wikifans/index.php?title=BringBackWendell.com)) Now I know its a business and all that, but I feel he overstepped his bounds a bit, particularly with a fellow Quasar fan and regular poster here.

What are you going to do though? How about send a cake!?

Hopefully, the best is yet to come!

stingerman

09-28-2008, 08:24 AM

Well the thing is that he has had a ongoing series that lasted 60 issues, some people might think it wasn't that great but I disagree- if I had to give a grade to his previous ongoing I would give his first and so far only series a B-. I'm of the belief that Marvel has a ulterior motive for wendell and I think that it will (hopefully) lead into an ongoing. Wendell could have his own series and act like mentor/guardian of Phyla-Vell

I see maybe a mini or a double-sized one shot about where he has been, then go from there.

Who knows what we might get out of War of Kings, ideally I would like a cosmic book out each week, so that leaves like 2 more titles.

freddy1428

09-28-2008, 10:21 AM

I do. Fact - she is still being called Quasar. And we don't know if this is Wendell, yet. However, this may change with the She-Hulk Cosmic Collision issue or another GoTG issue.

I'll probably buy the issue where "they all die" (DNA), I have been looking forward to that for a long time. ;)

Here is what I posted at the quantumzone.org/forum regarding this recently:

http://www.quantumzone.org/forum/Default.aspx?g=posts&m=5861#5861

Regarding GoTG, I have to say I have really enjoyed the last couple issues-- However, I did not buy them. Some of us here decided to boycott anything Phyla related (I continue to do so), no matter what, to support the true Quasar. I kinda see it as agreeing with whatever they did/to with Wendell and Phyla. So I choose not to agree and I still do.

I (we) always said from the get go that Phyla never needed the quantum-bands (already had nega-bands) and never needed to be called Quasar in order to have her current powers. Its not like they were using the q-bands the "right" way anyway, imo. They could have just as easily tweaked her nega-bands to achieve this. One other thing this caused, that perhaps they never thought of, was all the uproar over Quasar's "death" and Phyla taking over the title. There is a long history about that from CBR when then editor of Annihilation, Andy Schmidt, was posting over there. (go here to read up on that (http://www.projectfanboy.com/wikifans/index.php?title=BringBackWendell.com)) Now I know its a business and all that, but I feel he overstepped his bounds a bit, particularly with a fellow Quasar fan and regular poster here.

What are you going to do though? How about send a cake!?

Hopefully, the best is yet to come!

If I understand correctly, you will continue the boycott despite you like Guardian of the Galaxy, except if they will die all in the next comics (despite apparently you like the team), just because Phyla have the quantum band and the name :confused: .
You are not enough happy with the comeback of Wendell ? he don't need quantum bands, he have his own powers now, he have changed like Phyla, but it seem that the fans don't want any link between them despite that Wendell have been linked with Mar-vell (protector of the universe and father of Phyla) I think it would be more cool if Wendell have a new name more related to his new transformation imo, if the authors choose to change the new Phyla power, it will be like to retcon her recent stories in the Annihilation title, and sincerely I really don't want something like that.

Sincerely, I don't see any reason for Wendell fans to continue to piss-off against her.

Kyle_Ion

09-28-2008, 10:46 AM

stingerman

09-28-2008, 10:54 AM

If I understand correctly, you will continue the boycott despite you like Guardian of the Galaxy, except if they will die all in the next comics (despite apparently you like the team), just because Phyla have the quantum band and the name :confused: .
You are not enough happy with the comeback of Wendell ? he don't need quantum bands, he have his own powers now, he have changed like Phyla, but it seem that the fans don't want any link between them despite that Wendell have been linked with Mar-vell (protector of the universe and father of Phyla) I think it would be more cool if Wendell have a new name more related to his new transformation imo, if the authors choose to change the new Phyla power, it will be like to retcon her recent stories in the Annihilation title, and sincerely I really don't want something like that.

Sincerely, I don't see any reason for Wendell fans to continue to piss-off against her.

Yeah I am well aware of your argument regarding Wendell and Captain Marvel, however its not like Wendell became Captain Marvel and acquired his nega-bands a couple months after Starlin wrote The Death of Captain Marvel. Big difference.

As far as retconning Phyla goes, she hasn't even done anything with the q-bands as it stands. All she basically does is make her sword and be Adam Warlock's puppet. They could always say she has a new set of bands etc, combo of q-bands and nega. I agree, it would be hard to see them just giving back the q-bands to Phyla -- unless she doesn't need them or something.

As I said, we don't know if this is Wendell. If it is I will pick up GoTG.

And as far as seeing them all die (which I think will not last) I am not a big fan of Adam Warlock either, and Phyla well, she aint Quasar! :biggrin:

freddy1428

09-28-2008, 11:50 AM

Yeah I am well aware of your argument regarding Wendell and Captain Marvel, however its not like Wendell became Captain Marvel and acquired his nega-bands a couple months after Starlin wrote The Death of Captain Marvel. Big difference.

As far as retconning Phyla goes, she hasn't even done anything with the q-bands as it stands. All she basically does is make her sword and be Adam Warlock's puppet. They could always say she has a new set of bands etc, combo of q-bands and nega. I agree, it would be hard to see them just giving back the q-bands to Phyla -- unless she doesn't need them or something.

As I said, we don't know if this is Wendell. If it is I will pick up GoTG.

And as far as seeing them all die (which I think will not last) I am not a big fan of Adam Warlock either, and Phyla well, she aint Quasar! :biggrin:

Not a big difference with Mar-vell, you forget that Monica Rambeau have stole his name just after his death and it's not for that I hate her.

For Phyla, you say she don't do anything with the band, I just think it's your point of view, like Wendell before her, she learn to control them, she don't have Eon to teach the power of the band, but without that, she save the life of Nova against Annihilus, she win against the powerful super-adaptatoid, and win against the giant ultron, for me she do a good job and I really love the fantasy style she have.

She can of course have another band or maybe simply Wendell could construct for her a special sword who give her the power to tape into the quantum source like the band (I really like this idea:cool: ), a special sword if you prefer like the excalibur or the mjolnir of the quantum zone.

There are of course a thousand way to deal with the band, but what I sincerely don't understand, why do you want to remove to her the band now that Wendell don't need them ? I really like his style in Nova annual, it would be perfect like that imo, he can easily be the Allan Scott of the protector of the Universe, but you are the fan and surely know better what it's good for him, but do you like or not the idea of him to be the quantum being ?

And for Wendell, please Stingerman, don't worry, when I read the Dna interview about him, I'm sure at 100% it's him, you don't create a character with the name of Gruenwald and make a false return in the same time.:smile:

XPac

09-28-2008, 01:33 PM

Not a big difference with Mar-vell, you forget that Monica Rambeau have stole his name just after his death and it's not for that I hate her.

For Phyla, you say she don't do anything with the band, I just think it's your point of view, like Wendell before her, she learn to control them, she don't have Eon to teach the power of the band, but without that, she save the life of Nova against Annihilus, she win against the powerful super-adaptatoid, and win against the giant ultron, for me she do a good job and I really love the fantasy style she have.

She can of course have another band or maybe simply Wendell could construct for her a special sword who give her the power to tape into the quantum source like the band (I really like this idea:cool: ), a special sword if you prefer like the excalibur or the mjolnir of the quantum zone.

There are of course a thousand way to deal with the band, but what I sincerely don't understand, why do you want to remove to her the band now that Wendell don't need them ? I really like his style in Nova annual, it would be perfect like that imo, he can easily be the Allan Scott of the protector of the Universe, but you are the fan and surely know better what it's good for him, but do you like or not the idea of him to be the quantum being ?

And for Wendell, please Stingerman, don't worry, when I read the Dna interview about him, I'm sure at 100% it's him, you don't create a character with the name of Gruenwald and make a false return in the same time.:smile:

I honestly wasn't a big fan of Monica taking the Captain Marvel name to be honest, since she had no real link to the character. That said, if Phyla does what Monica did by graciously giving up the name and coming up with her own it won't be an issue.

Monica never needed the name... truthfully it was just given to her because Marvel wanted to hang onto it's ownership of the Captain Marvel name. She gave it up and took her own identity (twice, when Genis came along and took her name a second time).

freddy1428

09-28-2008, 03:16 PM

stingerman

09-28-2008, 07:37 PM

Not a big difference with Mar-vell, you forget that Monica Rambeau have stole his name just after his death and it's not for that I hate her.

I didn't forget. I don't think much of her, either like or dislike. I guess we are just different people. Maybe if all you mar-vell cats back in the day would have supported your hero he would be here, instead of selling out to Monica :biggrin:
No, seriously I wonder if Marvel received a lot of letters etc about that or not? Anyone know?

For Phyla, you say she don't do anything with the band, I just think it's your point of view, like Wendell before her, she learn to control them, she don't have Eon to teach the power of the band, but without that, she save the life of Nova against Annihilus, she win against the powerful super-adaptatoid, and win against the giant ultron, for me she do a good job and I really love the fantasy style she have.

Well, I really disliked that fantasy element. Her riding on that dragon I thought was pretty dumb. I don't think that works with Marvel cosmic.

She can of course have another band or maybe simply Wendell could construct for her a special sword who give her the power to tape into the quantum source like the band (I really like this idea:cool: ), a special sword if you prefer like the excalibur or the mjolnir of the quantum zone.

Now, there is an idea. Of course she would have to be worthy -- and if she ain't worthy to be Captain Marvel is she worthy to be a Quasar? No.

There are of course a thousand way to deal with the band, but what I sincerely don't understand, why do you want to remove to her the band now that Wendell don't need them ? I really like his style in Nova annual, it would be perfect like that imo, he can easily be the Allan Scott of the protector of the Universe, but you are the fan and surely know better what it's good for him, but do you like or not the idea of him to be the quantum being ?

That is a tough one, Freddy. Wendell without the bands...is like Hal without the ring? Surfer without his board? Thor without Mjolnir? Etc..?

And for Wendell, please Stingerman, don't worry, when I read the Dna interview about him, I'm sure at 100% it's him, you don't create a character with the name of Gruenwald and make a false return in the same time.:smile:

I hope so! I wonder if they are going to let us know right away or keep us guessing, like it could be either Wendell, the Worldmind or both? Lot of explaining to do! Can't wait!

stingerman

09-28-2008, 08:03 PM

Personnaly, I'm glad the authors try to build something between Phyla and Wendell, I always find strange that PAD and others authors don't make a link between Genis and Quasar, they are both protectors of the universe (Genis have met Eon in Captain Marvel 14)

Yeah regarding that "meeting", Genis was kinda dead and Eon didn't give him cosmic awareness, he showed him what life could be. Eon was dead as well.
And the way the story went, Genis was in no danger as he protected himself - he cheated as Rick says-- and his father would have never done that!

Genis want to follow the step of his father and don't have try to learn from Wendell, the successor of Mar-vell and Ms Marvel (a good friend of his father), it's like they are not in the same universe, it's the same about Warlock and Kismet, they just met brievly in Quasar and nothing (I think this scene suck imo), it's what I like about DC, it's the link between the characters and their legacy, for Marvel it's seem less important, it's for that I'm glad that now, Dna make a link between Mar-vell, Wendell and Phyla, for me it's more logical to do that.

I kinda think it had to do with the powers that be, editorial mandates etc. I am not sure if they all got along or what, but each person had "their" own character and God forbid if anyone f'd with that.

For instance, take Quasar back in the day, who was new to the cosmic scene- had to lose to the Silver Surfer (as Nova did today which sucked) and had to lose to Adam Warlock -- because he was the star of all the Infinity stuff. Hogwash! On top of that I am sure some resented Quasar for becoming the new Protector of the Universe, a concept abandoned 8 years earlier.

Actually, Gru made a link between Wendell and Cap Mar in the Cosmos in Collision issue where he was dieing and had a vision speaking with Mar-vell. Of course, this could be argued and could tick Cap Mar fans off more. One could argue, though, if there were that many fans, complaints etc why did it take 20 years to bring him back? Then kill him again and the next week Wendell returns! WTF?

We already have done the Quasar vs. Cap Mar debate to death, LOL!

I kinda see what you are saying by "why can't we all get along", that is in Marvel's hands, they need to do that and do it right.

Frank

09-29-2008, 01:12 AM

I do.

Its sort of like studying Martial Arts and being interested in the Japanese Samurai, Bushido etc.

Get it?

This has NOTHING to do with Quasar.

Frank

09-29-2008, 01:24 AM

I have envisioned several ideas for a Wendell Vaughn Ongoing series. Maybe they could make a series where around the beginning Infinity re-approaches Wendell and offers him to be her avatar again but this time it will be permanent- she sends him on missions/quests to fix whatever problems she has and he can still do what he wants like take a vacation or do some little quests on his own until he is needed.

If Infinity still guides him it would be the ideal mix of ideas for him to be protector of the Infinity Gems or a new Infinity Gauntlet. There's people that have always said Quasar was a Green Lantern rip-off but if he would now have the most powerful weapon in the Universe, able to tear everything to void with no other like him the comparison would dimished a little. I can just picture at the end of Dark Reign Wendell appearing, taking the Gauntlet off Dr. Doom and becoming its wearer. I think his calm personality would make him the only human able to keep it without going insane or going on a power trip.

freddy1428

09-29-2008, 04:03 AM

I didn't forget. I don't think much of her, either like or dislike. I guess we are just different people. Maybe if all you mar-vell cats back in the day would have supported your hero he would be here, instead of selling out to Monica :biggrin:
No, seriously I wonder if Marvel received a lot of letters etc about that or not? Anyone know?

No I don't know, I was too young in early 80's and I don't live in USA, but the question is very good.

[Well, I really disliked that fantasy element. Her riding on that dragon I thought was pretty dumb. I don't think that works with Marvel cosmic.

I think the opposite of you, I find that very original and work perfectly with the recent cosmic stories and specially with someone like Warlock (a sorcerer), Gamora (the poweful amazon) and Drax (a bloody warrior), more in my point of view that the Wendell in his serie, he is too much green lantern for me, there are also the syphon power of cosmic being, in direct attack okay but directly in the body of the character, it's very lame, I personnaly find that dumb, he have too much trick like he is the inspector gadget, I'm glad they seem to forget this kind of power in the mini of Nova and focus more in shield, blast etc..., but it's just my point of view like yours.

Now, there is an idea. Of course she would have to be worthy -- and if she ain't worthy to be Captain Marvel is she worthy to be a Quasar? No.

Worthy about what ? To have a special sword ? She help twice to save the universe (three against his brother), but no she is surely not worthy enough:eek: , Quasar is just a name chosen by Wendell, Captain Marvel is a title give by the kree warriors (the IS), I personnaly find that she deserve to have a special gift like that, I could ask you the same question, what does Wendell for to have the Quantum Band or the double of Marvel Boy ? Nothing special, except for him to be agent of SHIELD, I think Phyla deserve to have these powers.

That is a tough one, Freddy. Wendell without the bands...is like Hal without the ring? Surfer without his board? Thor without Mjolnir? Etc..?

It's not the same thing, he involved in something different, maybe superior, the author don't do that without reason, look for example Alan Scott or Genis, they don't need no more ring or Band, but still the same characters, specially Alan Scott, it's not like he change so much, he still have the same powers without the bands (I suppose), it could be easily the new Alan Scott of the marvel cosmic universe, I think it's the best choice without hurting fans of Phyla and Wendell because with this story, the both grow up, like every characters in Annihilation (Gamora, Drax, Thanos, Nova, Silver Surfer etc...).

I hope so! I wonder if they are going to let us know right away or keep us guessing, like it could be either Wendell, the Worldmind or both? Lot of explaining to do! Can't wait!

Me too, I like to have him for guest star in the Nova serie, I think it's the good moment for the serie to do that.

freddy1428

09-29-2008, 04:36 AM

Yeah regarding that "meeting", Genis was kinda dead and Eon didn't give him cosmic awareness, he showed him what life could be. Eon was dead as well.
And the way the story went, Genis was in no danger as he protected himself - he cheated as Rick says-- and his father would have never done that!

We don't know if it was Eon or Epoch (he don't give his name), but in the comics, it's clear that Eon (or Epoch) give him the awarness, he don't have this power before that, he see his face, like you said he show "what like could be", exactly like Mar-vell when he see Eon, but it's clear that when he wake up from his coma, Genis is no more the same and have the cosmic awarness, why Eon do that, we don't know, but surely for to take the legacy of his father.

He don't heritate this power from his father, surely like Phyla, nobody can to have the cosmic awarness like that, see the recent Skrull-vell in secret invasion, he remember to have this power but can't use that.

I kinda think it had to do with the powers that be, editorial mandates etc. I am not sure if they all got along or what, but each person had "their" own character and God forbid if anyone f'd with that.

For instance, take Quasar back in the day, who was new to the cosmic scene- had to lose to the Silver Surfer (as Nova did today which sucked) and had to lose to Adam Warlock -- because he was the star of all the Infinity stuff. Hogwash! On top of that I am sure some resented Quasar for becoming the new Protector of the Universe, a concept abandoned 8 years earlier.

Actually, Gru made a link between Wendell and Cap Mar in the Cosmos in Collision issue where he was dieing and had a vision speaking with Mar-vell. Of course, this could be argued and could tick Cap Mar fans off more. One could argue, though, if there were that many fans, complaints etc why did it take 20 years to bring him back? Then kill him again and the next week Wendell returns! WTF?

We already have done the Quasar vs. Cap Mar debate to death, LOL!

I kinda see what you are saying by "why can't we all get along", that is in Marvel's hands, they need to do that and do it right.

I never have any problem with Wendell take the title of protector of the universe, I always find that cool that Gruenwald take the concept and build a link between Mar-vell and Quasar, like now I'm glad they do the same with Phyla, in my opinion it was a real mistake they have did in the begin of the 90's, the cosmic heroes didn't work much closely between them, PAD do the same mistake with Genis, but now with Annihilation they correct that, every cosmic characters know well each others and there are no more "favorite author character", I feel that they are more free and do an amazing job in the relationship between characters.

stingerman

09-29-2008, 04:32 PM

This has NOTHING to do with Quasar.

Right, it has to do with Nova and the Xandarian Culture! Guys, everything I say is not Quasar related! :biggrin:

stingerman

09-29-2008, 04:41 PM

I think the opposite of you, I find that very original and work perfectly with the recent cosmic stories and specially with someone like Warlock (a sorcerer), Gamora (the poweful amazon) and Drax (a bloody warrior), more in my point of view that the Wendell in his serie, he is too much green lantern for me, there are also the syphon power of cosmic being, in direct attack okay but directly in the body of the character, it's very lame, I personnaly find that dumb, he have too much trick like he is the inspector gadget, I'm glad they seem to forget this kind of power in the mini of Nova and focus more in shield, blast etc..., but it's just my point of view like yours.

Well regarding the blasts and things like that etc, I liked Quasar because he was different than the Punisher, Wolverine, Ghost Rider, etc who always used brute force. Quasar is a Protector etc. He uses his mind instead of braun to accomplish things, solve problems. Still it was cool seeing him use some force!

Worthy about what ? To have a special sword ? She help twice to save the universe (three against his brother), but no she is surely not worthy enough:eek: , Quasar is just a name chosen by Wendell, Captain Marvel is a title give by the kree warriors (the IS), I personnaly find that she deserve to have a special gift like that, I could ask you the same question, what does Wendell for to have the Quantum Band or the double of Marvel Boy ? Nothing special, except for him to be agent of SHIELD, I think Phyla deserve to have these powers.

Actually, Gru showed that Wendell was worthy of the q-bands or he would have exploded like those deemed unworthy. And Wendell did go though the rite of passage from Eon so....my point is Phyla said she is not worthy of this so that makes her worthy of that? Naaah, I can't buy that. Perhaps, that is marvel's fault for not clearing it up good enough. I think they need to reconcile the Phyla/Wendell thing somehow and make it good.

It's not the same thing, he involved in something different, maybe superior, the author don't do that without reason, look for example Alan Scott or Genis, they don't need no more ring or Band, but still the same characters, specially Alan Scott, it's not like he change so much, he still have the same powers without the bands (I suppose), it could be easily the new Alan Scott of the marvel cosmic universe, I think it's the best choice without hurting fans of Phyla and Wendell because with this story, the both grow up, like every characters in Annihilation (Gamora, Drax, Thanos, Nova, Silver Surfer etc...).

Oh, I am sure DNA have something planned if it is Wendell, its must my point was could you imagine the above I listed without those and would they be the same characters? No, imo.

Me too, I like to have him for guest star in the Nova serie, I think it's the good moment for the serie to do that.

Yeah, I agree, they set it up well. I guess I should stop complaining about the Surger & Galactus vs Nova issues (psss...I wanted Nova and felt he should have done better). :wink:

stingerman

09-29-2008, 04:47 PM

We don't know if it was Eon or Epoch (he don't give his name), but in the comics, it's clear that Eon (or Epoch) give him the awarness, he don't have this power before that, he see his face, like you said he show "what like could be", exactly like Mar-vell when he see Eon, but it's clear that when he wake up from his coma, Genis is no more the same and have the cosmic awarness, why Eon do that, we don't know, but surely for to take the legacy of his father.

I didn't think it was that clear. I thought Rick said Genis got the cosmic awareness when they combined. I'll have to check it out again.

He don't heritate this power from his father, surely like Phyla, nobody can to have the cosmic awarness like that, see the recent Skrull-vell in secret invasion, he remember to have this power but can't use that.

Well, that Cap-Mar in SI was a skrull so he had no blood from the original unlike his "offspring." That's what I thought.

I never have any problem with Wendell take the title of protector of the universe, I always find that cool that Gruenwald take the concept and build a link between Mar-vell and Quasar, like now I'm glad they do the same with Phyla, in my opinion it was a real mistake they have did in the begin of the 90's, the cosmic heroes didn't work much closely between them, PAD do the same mistake with Genis, but now with Annihilation they correct that, every cosmic characters know well each others and there are no more "favorite author character", I feel that they are more free and do an amazing job in the relationship between characters.

It was a lot different with Cap mar and Wendell though. Gru didn't purposely kill off Cap Mar to make Wendell the protector of the universe two months later. It was 8 years. If anything, a tribute.

Wendell's death and this Phyla exchange was bad for both characters. Blame Andy Schmidt! I do. Big mistake, Andy.

freddy1428

09-30-2008, 08:18 AM

I didn't think it was that clear. I thought Rick said Genis got the cosmic awareness when they combined. I'll have to check it out again.

He have his face like when he use the cosmic awarness just after his coma and his vision of Eon, it's clear it was at this moment he have his awarness and it was linked to Eon (or Epoch), maybe he could use this new ability not immediately but more later (with Rick Jones), but it's clear that it's in this moment he have the cosmic awarness.

Well, that Cap-Mar in SI was a skrull so he had no blood from the original unlike his "offspring." That's what I thought.

No he have his dna exactly like Genis and Phyla, and unlike them, he is the perfect replica of Mar-vell (mind, experience etc...), if it was with the blood they have this power, he could the same.

It was a lot different with Cap mar and Wendell though. Gru didn't purposely kill off Cap Mar to make Wendell the protector of the universe two months later. It was 8 years. If anything, a tribute.

Wendell's death and this Phyla exchange was bad for both characters. Blame Andy Schmidt! I do. Big mistake, Andy.

Maybe for Wendell, and again I'm not sure because we don't see again his future, but for Phyla she win a lot since Annihilation and her Quasar legacy, I don't remember to have see a Phyla fan complain about her new powers, she is now an important cosmic character and continue to be, so I don't see any reason for to blame Andy Schmidt for that, I would like to thanks him very much for make the character alive again and not let her to fall in limbo.

I just noticed that Stingerman have been banned, I really would like to know the reason of that (sorry for advance if I can't ask that):confused: .

XPac

09-30-2008, 08:30 AM

He have his face like when he use the cosmic awarness just after his coma and his vision of Eon, it's clear it was at this moment he have his awarness and it was linked to Eon (or Epoch), maybe he could use this new ability not immediately but more later (with Rick Jones), but it's clear that it's in this moment he have the cosmic awarness.

According to Genis' bio at the marvel.com, Genis got cosmic awareness from merging with Rick. Or more specifically from merging with Rick, who had merged with his future self. That whole thing was kinda weird.

freddy1428

09-30-2008, 11:01 AM

According to Genis' bio at the marvel.com, Genis got cosmic awareness from merging with Rick. Or more specifically from merging with Rick, who had merged with his future self. That whole thing was kinda weird.

Yes but the bio in official source are not always credible ( for example Mar-vell class 15 like spider-man), like I said he begin to use the awarness with Rick Jones, maybe simply it was in him but he was not abble to use that before to be merged with Rick Jones, Captain Marvel 14 explain that clearly (short story by Fabian Nicieza), I don't think he see Eon (or Epoch), wake up from his coma, have his face turn black with stars for nothing, all this elements are clearly linked, I think the author try to explain that it's in this moment he have his awarness, despite he can't use that immediately.

ColdFury

10-01-2008, 12:25 AM

Wendell's death and this Phyla exchange was bad for both characters. Blame Andy Schmidt! I do. Big mistake, Andy.

Sometimes you don't appreciate what you have until it's gone.

A lot of Quasar fans popped up due to Annihilation. I suppose the question is how many stuck around to this point, and what happens from here. If Quasar sticks around and gets a push, I don't think we can fault Andy for much.

If Quasar ends up neutered, or dead, or written off still... then we could probably get annoyed at Andy some more.

BooCoo

10-07-2008, 05:56 PM

I'm in a tizzy and oh, so dizzy...

This will send me back to my comic store...pick up list!

Meanwhile, the possibiities are endless. Personally, I have no problem with Qster interacting with...Qster. And Moondragon should come back. HER reaction would prove interesting!

And collect Makkari, and Kismet too. :cool:

stingerman

03-01-2009, 09:23 PM

You wanted the best! You got the best!

It's Quasar!

CosmicBooknews.com started their Nova/Quasar month off today!

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/novaquasarmonth

Oh, no! Wendell talk at CBR again! :biggrin:

Rick Summers

03-02-2009, 08:07 AM

To all the haters that said Quasar is gone for good...:tongue::tongue::tongue::tongue:

stingerman

03-23-2009, 08:05 PM

Just in time for GoTG #12:

CosmicBookNews has a review up of all seven issues from the Quasar "Cosmos In Collision" storyline:

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/articles/cic1

Brother Zag

03-23-2009, 08:22 PM

Just in time for GoTG #12:

CosmicBookNews has a review up of all seven issues from the Quasar "Cosmos In Collision" storyline:

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/articles/cic1

I've been reading those. They're really good! Good background for the current storyline in Gotg!

wallred

03-23-2009, 10:28 PM

I've been reading those. They're really good! Good background for the current storyline in Gotg!

Glad you like them.
I wish I would have edited them a more closely, though, as I've caught myself in some typos and awkward phrasing, but I, all in all, I like how they turned out.
Cosmos In Collision really is an amazing read...I with more people had a chance to see that. Marvel really needs to release it in some kind of a collected edition.

stingerman

06-30-2009, 10:30 PM

Been a while since this thread popped up!

July 4th marks the 20th anniversary of Quasar #1 (1989)!!

http://www.bringbackwendell.com/qshipdate.gif

Question -- were comic shops even open on the 4th?

Anyway, issues one and two are really good reads! Ahh, the good old days! :smile:

Rick Summers

07-01-2009, 05:55 AM

steelcable97

07-01-2009, 06:25 AM

I remember that issue came out right when I started reading comics. I passed by it for weeks at the shop, before finally giving in and buying it. Quasar ended up being a very good read. I'm glad I gave in and picked it up.

wallred

07-01-2009, 06:37 PM

Been a while since this thread popped up!

July 4th marks the 20th anniversary of Quasar #1 (1989)!!

Question -- were comic shops even open on the 4th?

Anyway, issues one and two are really good reads! Ahh, the good old days! :smile:

Don't know about comic shops, but I remember seeing it on the newsstand at the local drug store...hard to believe it was 20 years ago, though.
For 40 issues, Quasar really was a great read, and Cosmos In Collision is simply the best cosmic Marvel has done.

marshal99

07-01-2009, 07:52 PM

wallred

07-01-2009, 09:46 PM

The awful starblast crossover COULD have been the cosmic crossover event of marvel if it had been done now in this era.
It had so much potential that was wasted and they had so many different underused characters that could have serve to have a revival like what all the current marvel cosmic crossovers had been doing for those underused marvel characters.

You're right, it had soo much potential...potential that was never even tapped. Editorial didn't even care enough to get the crossovers labeled properly...the whole thing turned into a giant train-wreck.
Cosmos In Collision, on the other hand is absolutely awesome and needs to be issued in a trade paperback last week if not sooner.