Nicole Kidman and others oppose terrorists!

[Samurai]

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20157470-5005961,00.html


Kidman condemns Hamas, Hezbollah

From correspondents in Los Angeles

August 17, 2006 08:51am

NICOLE Kidman has made a public stand against terrorism.

The actress, joined by 84 other high-profile Hollywood stars, directors, studio bosses and media moguls, has taken out a powerfully-worded full page advertisement in today's Los Angeles Times newspaper.

It specifically targets "terrorist organisations" such as Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Palestine.

"We the undersigned are pained and devastated by the civilian casualties in Israel and Lebanon caused by terrorist actions initiated by terrorist organisations such as Hezbollah and Hamas," the ad reads.

"If we do not succeed in stopping terrorism around the world, chaos will rule and innocent people will continue to die.

"We need to support democratic societies and stop terrorism at all costs."

A who's who of Hollywood heavyweights joined Kidman on the ad.

The actors listed included: Michael Douglas, Dennis Hopper, Sylvester Stallone, Bruce Willis, Danny De Vito, Don Johnson, James Woods, Kelly Preston, Patricia Heaton and William Hurt.

Directors Ridley Scott, Tony Scott, Michael Mann, Dick Donner and Sam Raimi also signed their names.

Other Hollywood powerplayers supporting the ad included Sumner Redstone, the chairman and majority owner of Paramount Pictures, and billionaire mogul, Haim Saban.

I'm a bit surprised, but glad to see not all of Hollywood has followed the likes of Gary Busey and Billy Zane...

[HomerJay]

Nice to see that Hollywood is really sticking their necks out by taking such a controversial stance.

[Michael P]

Well, I wasn't sure where to stand on terrorism, but now that I know Don Johnson is against it, gosh, everything seems so clear.

[Tages]

These people are opposed to the pro-terrorism Hollywood folk like...who, exactly?

[Grazzt]

I'm a bit surprised, but glad to see not all of Hollywood has followed the likes of Gary Busey and Billy Zane...

Just out of curiousity, but what have Zane and Busey done?

[Charles RB]

I'm a bit surprised

Well, yeah - people who think terrorists aren't nice people?! What a shocker!

[Dreadstar]

Nicole Kidman? Personally, I care a LOT more about what the folk at CBR think than some "celeb" I don't know.

Heheheheh, and to be frank, I don't much give a damn what you guys think, so that puts her way down the list.

[Michael P]

Just out of curiousity, but what have Zane and Busey done?
I seem to recall Busey lighting people on fire with napalm guns twin-mounted onto the top of an Abrams tank, but that may have just been a really cool dream.

[cactusmaac]

So why is this statement from a bunch of Hollywood actors being released now?

Does Islamic terrorism only matter to them when Israel is affected?

[Spike-X]

Why don't these people just shut up and stick to...

Oh, wait. I forgot. It's perfectly acceptable for celebrities to speak out about public issues as long as they agree with the conservative viewpoint.

[Valmore]

Just out of curiousity, but what have Zane and Busey done?

Dude, Billy Zane's THE PHANTOM!!!

[Royal]

Dude, Billy Zane's THE PHANTOM!!!

No one fucks with The Ghost Who Walks.

NO ONE!

http://www.rentflix.it/img/copertine/_01255_the_phantom.jpg

[Royal]

Why don't these people just shut up and stick to...

Oh, wait. I forgot. It's perfectly acceptable for celebrities to speak out about public issues as long as they agree with the conservative viewpoint.

Now only if we can get them to promote good eating habits.

[Samurai]

Just out of curiousity, but what have Zane and Busey done?
You've never heard of "Valley of the Wolves"? It is the most expensive movie ever made by Turkey, starring Billy Zane, as a blood-thirsty American officer who is the main villain of the movie, and Gary Busey, as a Jewish doctor who harvests organs from Abu Ghraib prisoners to sell to wealthy Jews in the US and Israel. It is a propaganda film to support the terrorists.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11150082/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_the_Wolves_Iraq
http://www.zombietime.com/valley_of_the_wolves/

[cactusmaac]

Just out of curiousity, but what have Zane and Busey done?

They were in this Turkish movie called Valley Of The Wolves.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/26/wfilm26.xml

[Samurai]

Dude, Billy Zane's THE PHANTOM!!!
Yeah, I enjoyed the Phantom too... sucks that Zane supports terrorists, or at least will take their money to make a film that does...

[Donald M.]

Just out of curiousity, but what have Zane and Busey done?

I believe he's referring to this. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493264/)

[Samurai]

They were in this Turkish movie called Valley Of The Wolves.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/26/wfilm26.xml
Hah, just beat ya to it... you owe me a drink! :)

But yeah, I thought this was common knowledge.

[Dreadstar]

Those two guys are just picking up paychecks these days. I wonder how much they cared about the message compared to how good the check was.

[Michael P]

You've never heard of "Valley of the Wolves"? It is the most expensive movie ever made by Turkey, starring Billy Zane, as a blood-thirsty American officer who is the main villain of the movie, and Gary Busey, as a Jewish doctor who harvests organs from Abu Ghraib prisoners to sell to wealthy Jews in the US and Israel. It is a propaganda film to support the terrorists.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11150082/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_the_Wolves_Iraq
http://www.zombietime.com/valley_of_the_wolves/
Just from the Wikipedia entry, it looks like it's more against the war than for terrorism. One can hold one position while being against the other.

Just for giggles: The word "terrorist" appears once in the Wikipedia article, then referring to how Arabs are portrayed in US films, and not at all in the MSNBC article. I couldn't get the zombietime link to work.

[Charles RB]

They were in this Turkish movie called Valley Of The Wolves.

...ouch. That film is extremely worrying.

Still, at least they weren't in a Michael Bay film.

[Grazzt]

I honestly didn't hear about this one at all.

Reading the plot summary on Wiki, it sounds a lot like an Arab Rambo. That is not a compliment, by the way.

[Michael P]

...ouch. That film is extremely worrying.

Still, at least they weren't in a Michael Bay film.
Now *that* would be a crime against America.

[Charles RB]

Now *that* would be a crime against America.

Bay is doing the Transformers movie.

No wonder Optimus Prime keeps sacrificing himself.

[Subotai]

Zane also has to keep one eye peeled for Jason Statham, at all times...

[Royal]

You've never heard of "Valley of the Wolves"? It is the most expensive movie ever made by Turkey, starring Billy Zane, as a blood-thirsty American officer who is the main villain of the movie, and Gary Busey, as a Jewish doctor who harvests organs from Abu Ghraib prisoners to sell to wealthy Jews in the US and Israel. It is a propaganda film to support the terrorists.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11150082/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_the_Wolves_Iraq
http://www.zombietime.com/valley_of_the_wolves/

You forget that Ian MacKellan supports Facism, Jude Law and Ron Perlman support Communism, Michelle Yoh supports Socialism, Cliff Curtis supports the drug trade and Ahnuld supports Bugfuck Nationalism.

[Royal]

Jean Claude VanDamme and Dolph Lundgren supports Communism too.

And we can't forget that Nathan Jones is a dirty, dirty gwilo.

[Samurai]

You forget that Ian MacKellan supports Facism, Jude Law and Ron Perlman support Communism, Michelle Yoh supports Socialism, Cliff Curtis supports the drug trade and Ahnuld supports Bugfuck Nationalism.
There is a difference between some Hollywood movie where the bad guys get it at the end, and a film made to support the idea of terrorists going to Iraq to kill Americans and the Jewish doctor behind the scenes harvesting Arab organs for wealthy Americans and Israelis. Even if Zane and Busey just did it for the paycheck, they knew what kind of film it was, and should have had the guts to refuse to be a part of it. Shame on them, and yay for the open letter by Kidman and the others.

[Slam_Bradley]

Thank goodness I now know what position to take.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Thank goodness I now know what position to take.

But wait! Has Tom Cruise weighed in yet? How about Oprah?

[Grazzt]

There is a difference between some Hollywood movie where the bad guys get it at the end, and a film made to support the idea of terrorists going to Iraq to kill Americans and the Jewish doctor behind the scenes harvesting Arab organs for wealthy Americans and Israelis.

While I agree about the organ harvesting being a bit much, isn't this just standard action movie fare? I mean, American action films have exagerrated the crimes of their perceived enemies all the time. Hell, they even exagerrate the crimes of their own governments.

Even if Zane and Busey just did it for the paycheck, they knew what kind of film it was, and should have had the guts to refuse to be a part of it. Shame on them, and yay for the open letter by Kidman and the others.

How dare you try to bring this thread back to its original topic rather than keep it to its derailing! For shame, sir! :p

[Slam_Bradley]

But wait! Has Tom Cruise weighed in yet? How about Oprah?


Obviously Oprah's position would be gospel. Or that of her little sycophant Dr. Phil.

[Samurai]

While I agree about the organ harvesting being a bit much, isn't this just standard action movie fare? I mean, American action films have exagerrated the crimes of their perceived enemies all the time. Hell, they even exagerrate the crimes of their own governments.



How dare you try to bring this thread back to its original topic rather than keep it to its derailing! For shame, sir! :p
That's not a derailing... it can't be a proper derailing without kittens. (or at least Kitlers!)

[JerrBear81]

There is a difference between some Hollywood movie where the bad guys get it at the end, and a film made to support the idea of terrorists going to Iraq to kill Americans and the Jewish doctor behind the scenes harvesting Arab organs for wealthy Americans and Israelis. Even if Zane and Busey just did it for the paycheck, they knew what kind of film it was, and should have had the guts to refuse to be a part of it. Shame on them, and yay for the open letter by Kidman and the others.
Or maybe they're actors that want to try to play different characters now and then?

I mean, Busey isn't exactly known for playing doctors. In which case, I see nothing wrong with someone picking a role just because of the message or whatever is portrayed in a movie.

[Tages]

Yeah, I enjoyed the Phantom too... sucks that Zane supports terrorists, or at least will take their money to make a film that does...
So do you have proof that the financiers of the movie were terrorists?

[Samurai]

Or maybe they're actors that want to try to play different characters now and then?

I mean, Busey isn't exactly known for playing doctors. In which case, I see nothing wrong with someone picking a role just because of the message or whatever is portrayed in a movie.
When the message is "get out there and kill Americans and jews!", to people all too susceptable to that message and might well do it, I do see something wrong with it. What would you have said if Errol Flynn and Humphrey Bogart had flown over to Germany and starred in a Nazi propaganda film about the Jews and Americans during WW2?

[Tages]

Ezra Pound made explicit radio broadcasts to propagandize for Italy's fascist government during the war. He's still recognized as a great poet.

Some people still haven't forgiven P.G. Wodehouse for his harmless comedic broadcasts made while he was a prisoner of the Nazis, though they had nothing to do with propaganda.

Now you're saying that Zane and Busey are pro-terrorist because they starred in what sounds like a silly rah-rah blow-em-up with distasteful depictions of Americans in it. A movie that was made in a country that is still nominally an American ally.

[Royal]

Akira Kurosawa made a movie with soviet money. Is he a communist?

[Magneto_X]

These people are opposed to the pro-terrorism Hollywood folk like...who, exactly?

The Scientologists? :D

[Charles RB]

a film made to support the idea of terrorists going to Iraq to kill Americans

The film synopsis said the lead was a Turkish intelligence agent off to kill, for purposes of personal revenge, a specific general. It's a dodgy plot (albeit not that different to many action movies), but not quite the same as what you're saying.

and the Jewish doctor behind the scenes harvesting Arab organs for wealthy Americans and Israelis.

That, on the other hand, is exactly the same as what you're saying. :(

What would you have said if Errol Flynn and Humphrey Bogart had flown over to Germany and starred in a Nazi propaganda film about the Jews and Americans during WW2?

Turkey's not at war with America, it's one of your allies.

Obviously Oprah's position would be gospel. Or that of her little sycophant Dr. Phil.

Wasn't he the guy played by Vincent Price who committed revenge killings themed around the Plagues of Egypt?

If not, he should be.

[FBHthelizardmage]

So, only american's are allowed to make films portraying America in a bad light? Because enough of them do.

[Pól Rua]

No one fucks with The Ghost Who Walks.

NO ONE!

http://www.rentflix.it/img/copertine/_01255_the_phantom.jpg

SLAM EVIL!!!

[JerrBear81]

When the message is "get out there and kill Americans and jews!", to people all too susceptable to that message and might well do it, I do see something wrong with it. What would you have said if Errol Flynn and Humphrey Bogart had flown over to Germany and starred in a Nazi propaganda film about the Jews and Americans during WW2?
I can see what you mean. However, even if I dislike what a film is saying, I still say the person should have a right to make the film. I also think they should be held responsible if they are saying "do bad stuff" to people.

[Samurai]

I can see what you mean. However, even if I dislike what a film is saying, I still say the person should have a right to make the film. I also think they should be held responsible if they are saying "do bad stuff" to people.
IMO, the film does exactly that... it is a call to its viewers (who are generally too uneducated to seperate fact from fiction) to go out and kill Americans and Jews. So I hold the film-maker and the stars responsible.

[JerrBear81]

IMO, the film does exactly that... it is a call to its viewers (who are generally too uneducated to seperate fact from fiction) to go out and kill Americans and Jews. So I hold the film-maker and the stars responsible.

Have you seen it?

[Samurai]

Have you seen it?
I've seen clips and stills from it, and read a half dozen reviews and dozens of shorter comments from people who've seen it. I have no desire to.

Have you seen "The Eternal Jew" or "Triumph of the Will"? Do you need to, in order to call them propaganda?

[JerrBear81]

I've seen clips and stills from it, and read a half dozen reviews and dozens of shorter comments from people who've seen it. I have no desire to.

Have you seen "The Eternal Jew" or "Triumph of the Will"? Do you need to, in order to call them propaganda?

It depends on the reaction. If the vast majority of people I've talked to say that it's propaganda, I'd avoid it.

But if every other person were saying it weren't, it may make me think about seeing which side has the film description correct.

For instance, a few "disablists" have told me that Million Dollar Baby was a propaganda film by Clint Eastwood saying that being dead was better off than being disabled. It didn't make me not want to see the movie or want to see it. I'm not going to call it propaganda until I actually see if it is.

[Tages]

For instance, a few "disablists" have told me that Million Dollar Baby was a propaganda film by Clint Eastwood saying that being dead was better off than being disabled. It didn't make me not want to see the movie or want to see it. I'm not going to call it propaganda until I actually see if it is.
It isn't, at all. Two characters make their decisions based on the situation and that's all.

[JerrBear81]

It isn't, at all. Two characters make their decisions based on the situation and that's all.

I'd also share that I once had a few people tell me that American History X had a very racist message. When I got to the end of that movie, the message I thought it was portraying was that hatred can lead down a very bad road.

And honestly, the big reason I have yet to see all of Million Dollar Baby is that it bores me whenever I try to watch it.

[Iangould]

Nice to see that Hollywood is really sticking their necks out by taking such a controversial stance.


Yeah considering how Schwartzenegger, Grammer, Stallone. Eastwood and Willis had their careers destroyed and were driven out of the busienss for their support of the Republican Party it really is amazing to see actors criticizing arab terrorist groups like this - after all we know how the arabs dominate show business.

Next thign oyu know they'll dare to speak out against pedophilia, human sacrifice and cannibalism which as we all kow are issues dear to the hearts of the liberal elite.

[FBHthelizardmage]

So... are we to take from this thread that films like... enemy of the state say, or that one where the NSA is trying to kill that kid and Bruce Willis is trying to stop them are also making people go out and become home ground loonies?

[Iangould]

These people are opposed to the pro-terrorism Hollywood folk like...who, exactly?

Come on, didn't you see the huge Al Qaida-Aid concert Sean Penn compered last year?

[Noah Johnson]

So, this is news in the fantasyland where everyone who's not a Republican actively supports terrorism. Great.

Most of us don't live there. Why's it being discussed in the real world?

[Iangould]

So, apart from Kidman, Willis, Scott and Raimi are most of these people even working regularly any more?

[Adam Crocker]

The film synopsis said the lead was a Turkish intelligence agent off to kill, for purposes of personal revenge, a specific general. It's a dodgy plot (albeit not that different to many action movies), but not quite the same as what you're saying.

It's probably worth noting that Samurai has been going on about this film being about terrorists the whole time, yet according to the Synopsis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_the_Wolves#Plot) at Wikipedia there is a scene where a sheikh talks some rebels out of killing a journalist. The sheikh then gives the journalist the choice to kill the rebel who was about the execute him. The journalist takes the moral high ground and declines. Later there's a scene where a woman wants revenge on the Americans and decides to become a suicide bomber. She's talked out of it by the same sheikh who says that it is against sharia law. She then goes off to prevent her friend from blowing himself up.

So while it sounds like a dodgy propaganda film to me (though to be honest, I find the plot as described virtually identical to the jingoism and vigilantism of 80s American action flicks) this whole "pro-terrorist" slant seems off base given the actual contents.

So... are we to take from this thread that films like... enemy of the state say, or that one where the NSA is trying to kill that kid and Bruce Willis is trying to stop them are also making people go out and become home ground loonies?

Is that sarcasm I detect? Are you saying that 80s action movies didn't make people go out and become heroic muscle men who fought Latin American drug lords, commies, and regularly tangled with their stupid, liberal police chiefs?

[Iangould]

IMO, the film does exactly that... it is a call to its viewers (who are generally too uneducated to seperate fact from fiction) to go out and kill Americans and Jews. So I hold the film-maker and the stars responsible.


Well yeah if Turks disagree with you its obviously because they just as aren't as educated as you. (Regular terrorist attacks by Kurdish groups based in northern Iraq obviously couldn't have anything to do with their perception of the situation there.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Turkey

[Spike-X]

Come on, didn't you see the huge Al Qaida-Aid concert Sean Penn compered last year?
Was that the one headlined by Bruce Springsteen, with the Dixie Chicks and Green Day supporting?

[Iangould]

Some people still haven't forgiven P.G. Wodehouse for his harmless comedic broadcasts made while he was a prisoner of the Nazis, though they had nothing to do with propaganda.


Wodehouse mainly comes under suspicion because he had plenty of opporutnities ot leave Germany before the war and chose not to and was friendly with leading members of the German establishment.

[Slam_Bradley]

I've seen clips and stills from it, and read a half dozen reviews and dozens of shorter comments from people who've seen it. I have no desire to.

Have you seen "The Eternal Jew" or "Triumph of the Will"? Do you need to, in order to call them propaganda?


Ahhh...nice to see that you're speaking from first-hand knowledge.

It seems disingenuous to compare very clear propaganda films like "The Eternal Jew" and "Triumph of the Will" which were made at the direction of Hitler and the German government to a film that, as best I can tell, was not made with government backing.

Be that as it may, if it's propaganda it can join a long list of films that also qualify. The Fighting Seabees. The Flying Tigers. Der Fuhrer's Face. The Battleship Potemkin.

And thus it goes.

[Iangould]

Was that the one headlined by Bruce Springsteen, with the Dixie Chicks and Green Day supporting?

Yeah the big finale was when they crossed live to Bin Laden in Afghanistan and he sang a duet with Bono.