If They Can Revive The Characters They Did-They Can Revive Katma Tui [Archive]

Ontir

08-15-2006, 02:32 PM

Armless Penguin

08-15-2006, 02:33 PM

Granted I haven't actually read it, she was revived in Mosaic, which was generally considered not in continuity, right?

Are the John Stewart stories “Cosmic Odyssey” and “Mosaic” still in continuity? Johns: "Yes."

http://www.newsarama.com/WW_Chicago_06/DCUniverse.html

They should use her then.

Patience

08-15-2006, 03:56 PM

Bringing Katma Tui back is one of the things I want the most, which is why it's the last thing I'd ever do. Her death was horrific, and she was such a great character, but bringing her back would, at this point, lessen John, I think. There's also the old "Be careful what you wish for..." Everybody wanted Jean Grey back, and that didn't really work so well.

Yeah, 'cause it's not like Katma's not a character with a ten year history of her own before John, or who was the first female member of the GLC, or that there's some huge romantic plotline John's involved with it'll screw up, or that John, what with having destroyed a planet, spent several years in a wheelchair and accidentally killed his sister (since Winick *sigh*) doesn't have nearly enough tragedy in his backstory. :rolleyes:

Blueferret

08-15-2006, 08:06 PM

Considering the way the last page ended in GL #12, I'd say anything is possible for old GL's coming back.

Jack Zodiac

08-15-2006, 08:16 PM

Granted I haven't actually read it, she was revived in Mosaic, which was generally considered not in continuity, right?

Didn't she die again after that, though? I think most characters, especially those who would be considered "supporting cast," should have a one resurrection limit.

Eliseu Gouveia

08-15-2006, 08:47 PM

I love Katma Tui and would love seeing her back.

Which is why I really don´t see it happening.

Bored at 3:00AM

08-15-2006, 10:43 PM

While Katma Tui was brought back at the end of Mosaic, she was brought to life by John's newfound powers as the first human Guardian of the Universe. Once Parallax hit, John lost those powers and Kat disappeared along with them.

OzBat!

08-15-2006, 11:01 PM

Bummer, dude. So, she was just an energy construct? Was there any in-story reason for why he didn't he create a real body for her?

Bored at 3:00AM

08-15-2006, 11:32 PM

Bummer, dude. So, she was just an energy construct? Was there any in-story reason for why he didn't he create a real body for her?

This was right when Emerald Twilight hit, so pesky things like in-story reasons for all the funky stuff happening in the GL books wasn't really a big concern for anyone at the time. Essentially, DC wanted John single and human so they could put him in the Darkstars comic, so they made him single and human.

marshal99

08-16-2006, 11:27 AM

Next up , Ch'p the lovable squirrel GL comes back from the dead after being a roadkill.

Ontir

08-16-2006, 12:31 PM

Yeah, 'cause it's not like Katma's not a character with a ten year history of her own before John, or who was the first female member of the GLC, or that there's some huge romantic plotline John's involved with it'll screw up, or that John, what with having destroyed a planet, spent several years in a wheelchair and accidentally killed his sister (since Winick *sigh*) doesn't have nearly enough tragedy in his backstory. :rolleyes:

Give me a break! I love Katma Tui, and I'm aware of her history, prior to John, but that doesn't negate anything I've said. In fact, it only intensifies it. I wouldn't have killed Katma off; but it happened. Her death is one that clearly still resounds with a lot of people, which is part of the reason I wouldn't undo it. While she's gone in the contemporaneous stories, her spirit lives on through other characters, and through the impact she had upon them. That's an important element. Also, being a comic book, Katma can time-travel, whenever a writer wants her to, or the Asian GL, who appears to have survived "IC," could revive her for one last mission, etc. There are many possibilities, without going the "Katma! MY God, YOU'RE ALIVE!" route.

Patience

08-16-2006, 06:04 PM

Give me a break! I love Katma Tui, and I'm aware of her history, prior to John, but that doesn't negate anything I've said. In fact, it only intensifies it. I wouldn't have killed Katma off; but it happened. Her death is one that clearly still resounds with a lot of people, which is part of the reason I wouldn't undo it. While she's gone in the contemporaneous stories, her spirit lives on through other characters, and through the impact she had upon them. That's an important element. Also, being a comic book, Katma can time-travel, whenever a writer wants her to, or the Asian GL, who appears to have survived "IC," could revive her for one last mission, etc. There are many possibilities, without going the "Katma! MY God, YOU'RE ALIVE!" route.

So the first female Green Lantern stays dead so that John's story can be complete?

I'm going to take a break from this board.

Babylon23

08-16-2006, 06:28 PM

Given that the current storyline in GL isn't over yet, it's possible that Katma could return in the upcoming issues. Personally, I'd love to see this happen. I've always liked Katma.

Ontir

08-16-2006, 06:35 PM

So the first female Green Lantern stays dead so that John's story can be complete?

I'm going to take a break from this board.

Talk about misnomers!

That is NOT what I said!

Katma Tui's death reaches far further than John, although obviously his wife's death has the most impact on him, it affects the whole Green Lantern Corps. Also, if every character ever killed comes back again and again, tension is lost in all of the stories, because nothing means anything. The current Legion is a prime example!

Jack Zodiac

08-16-2006, 10:37 PM

So the first female Green Lantern stays dead so that John's story can be complete?

I'm going to take a break from this board.

What an awesome post from a poster named Patience. :p

DMike

08-16-2006, 10:57 PM

Wait, Katma was supposed to be the first female GL ever? And the Corps has been around how many billion years again?

Bored at 3:00AM

08-17-2006, 09:26 AM

Katma Tui wasn't the first female GL, but she was the first female GL that appeared in the comic.

phantom1592

08-17-2006, 02:06 PM

I would NOT bring her back. I liked her quite a bit, but enough with the ressurections. I LIKE that they are clearing up some of those 'obscure' Deaths from Emerald Twighlight. Hal always said he didn't kill them. He left them alive, though he has always been blamed for it. It was vague. Lets bring them back. Plus when you wear a ring it really opens up the options for coming back. Still SOME lanterns need to stay dead.

But Katma 1) was not wearing a ring at the time. She was powerless. and 2) Her death was NOT vague. She was tore to pieces by star Saphirre. Pronounced dead and been dead for years. I don't think she's worth the time and imagination needed to make her return, NOT suck.

Ch'p however had kind of a suck death. He was also one wearing a ring, so something could still be done with him.

Jack Zodiac

08-17-2006, 03:03 PM

phantom1592

08-17-2006, 03:16 PM

Yeah, but he wasn't lost in space. He was hit by a truck. I think it's safe to say he's deader'n dead. :p Besides, they have a new chipmunk/squirrel Lantern for Sector 1014, B'dg. He's even from H'lven, just like Ch'p.

COOL! I must have missed him! where was he at?

With a Green Lantern Ring I could write a decent revival for him;)

Remember the old school rings protect from mortal harm (in theory) I would either A) have his soul get sucked into ring until his body could be repaired, or B) have him have some characteristics of a Possum and fake his own death (with the ring augmenting) till he felt the danger passed, the possibilites are endless :D

Regardless I would have tried to clear up whether he was a Squirell or Chipmunk :p

Jack Zodiac

08-17-2006, 04:05 PM

B'dg shows up in Recharge, and he was in an issue of Green Lantern on Oa with some others.

Ch'p's death was left sort of open-ended, in a way. After he died, his ghost continued to visit John Stewart on Oa. The ghost looked like a green energy construct, so his soul could've survived his body's death, somehow. You're really stretching for characters if you revive someone like Ch'p, though. :p Although, I did love how he and Salakk interacted.

phantom1592

08-17-2006, 04:11 PM

Although, I did love how he and Salakk interacted.

THAT is the main reason I wanted him! I loved those two together. Now seeing Salakk back without him.... Makes me kind of sad :(

onewhowishes

08-29-2006, 10:31 AM

...to be brought back by any means necessary.She neednt be associated with John,or evan a green Lantern.DC could propose,or evan print a number of different plots in an elseworlds format.The one with best revues becomes the official story of Kat coming back.I doubt she would comprimize Soranik Natu in any way.A meeting of the two might prove interesting in fact.I believe Soranik may have been a comproimize for those who do want Kat Back,and for those who dont.But she isn't Katma and never can be.

Ronnigon

08-30-2006, 02:30 AM

I found Katma Tui to be quite boring and spineless.

In her case, I'm all in favor of letting the dead have their eternal rest.

Ontir

08-30-2006, 11:52 AM

I wouldn't mind seeing a young Katma, having come through time from a point before she got to know John, maybe hanging around for a few months, before going back to her own time, so it's really bittersweet, but I don't want to undo her death.

onewhowishes

09-12-2006, 10:16 AM

While the origininal Katma is visting or time,she can..
1.Take steps to avoid the events of Action Comics #601(death is undone,though)
2.be cloned(her choice?someone else's?)she then returns home to the 1960-80s-possibly knowing her fate),Action Comics#601 happens (as I wish it didn't),in our time,the clone resumes the role of Katma Tui(peerhaps a GL,perhaps not)and attempts to undue the bad reputation Soranik hears about&or gain revernge on Star Sapphire.A relationship with John is optional.This way those want a revived Katma can have her,and those who dont want continuity changed can be happy too.The clone believing she is the original Katma may be a nice element as well.

Another series of ideas,now that DC has repluralized it's universe into miore than one Earth again,There can be more than one Korugar as well-ones where she never marries John(Katma Kahn?Katma Jordan?Katma Rayner?Katma Garner?remains single?),becomes a villain,an antihero,or defeats Star Sapphire in 1988,among other ideas.

Ontir

09-12-2006, 12:03 PM

I wouldn't want to see any of your options. She's dead. I wouldn't have done it, and I wouldn't have given her the horrible death she had, but it's a done deal, that was done too long ago. It's like bringing Ferro Lad, Invisible Kid, Karate Kid, or Triplicate Girl back. None of them really work, because their deaths served a purpose in the story, for the team, and had an impact. Clearly Katma's death had an impact, because, what is it, 20 years later? You're still affected by it. I think bringing her through time, allowing her to be seen at various points in her life, but knowing that she's not coming back from that last mission makes any future appearances more impactful, and special, because unlike most pulp characters, we know that there is an end. Because she's dead, her life, any bits of it that might exist via time-travel, are less about her, and more about the perspective of those who loved her. Just like in real life.

onewhowishes

11-30-2006, 09:57 AM

... but I'd still like to see Kat com back.Since comics exist to escape reality for several minutes,There is no need to make them realistic in the manner suggested in the last sentence of your post.Another way to make a more impact capable Katma is revive her as someone who has liitele to do with John,or Lanterns.If DC can undue the CIE and return to a multiversal format,they can undue a 2 decade old storyline like AC 601-2.They can make her more agressive as WB did for their TV Katma.

Ontir

11-30-2006, 11:23 AM

I still don't want to see it. I'd not have brought back the characters they have, and I think Katma is a great tragic character now. Other than time-travel, I'd never bring her back. Death has to mean something, or there's no real peril for the characters, and if that's the case, it all falls apart.

the4thpip

12-01-2006, 02:17 AM

Sean Whitmore

12-01-2006, 02:46 AM

With Johns on Green Lantern, the thread title might as well be changed to "WHEN will Katma Tui be revived?"

SEAN

Ontir

12-01-2006, 02:46 PM

I grew up on the Mike Grell Green Lantern / Green Arrow stories, and mysterious Katma was one of my favorite characters. I would love to see her back, if only in "untold tales of Katma Tui" as a backup in GL Corps.

Since the Corps is back, that'd be a great idea. Various elder Lanterns, telling tales of the great Katma Tui, to the grunts.

phantom1592

12-02-2006, 04:37 AM

Since the Corps is back, that'd be a great idea. Various elder Lanterns, telling tales of the great Katma Tui, to the grunts.

Considering that Koragars (sp) new lantern is a major focus point of the new corps, AND Katma is considered a traitor for accepting the ring. THIS idea wouldn't surprise me at all. Some of the veterans sharing memories of what a great hero Katma ACTUALLY was, as opposed to what new girl has always heard.