Your Biggest Regret about Civil War?

[Magneto Rocks]

Hey guys. I was looking down my CW checklist again and thinking about some missed oppurtunities.... we aren't really seeing Reed's views explained in his own title, She-Hulk only had 1 issue and it was a bit of a waste to be honest, so here is my question... what is your biggest regret so far in Civil War?

Mine is that the Cap and Iron Man books were too busy doing their own story arcs to tie in. It seems ridiculous to me that the two most important character in the ENTIRE event are off doing other things in their own stories. If any comic series should have had 6-issue-arc tie-ins, it was these two. We really haven't seen their viewpoints explained- not Tony's at all, and Cap's very badly and briefly in NA #21. Worse still, they are only what- 3 issues for Cap and 2 for Tony? Stupid.

[Alan2099]

It happened.

[Markavian]

Cap didnt tell his fellow Avengers that Hill basicly ambused him. That Cap didnt agree to lead the Super Restraint Unit as he would have added a more Deft touch and been able to shape the SHRA act and its implentmentation ..That Iron Man didnt come back at Emma Frost with " Where were you when Onslaught was killing New York?" That in the End Spidermans reveling his Secret ID will be Undone somehow which is total BS...I wish Clint Barton was Director of SHEILD.........She hulks silly Marriage to Man Wolf ..I want to See Star Fox locked Naked in a room with Man Thing for that!! :evilangry

[Magneto Rocks]

@ Alan: Ha Ha :p

Surely there must be SOME aspects you like? I mean, it's causing JMS to write the best Spidey he's ever written (admittedly not saying much), it's meant we get our Thor back, it's causing normally rubbish writers to write very well... and it's causing Bendis to have slightly more happen in each issue than before :o

@Markavian: Didn't the X-Men KILL Onslaught? But yeah, I know what you mean- Emma was wrong but Tony not eplying made her seem right.

[Wild Card13]

I dunno about Emma being wrong. Think about it, the X-Men always back up the Avengers when the Avengers ask, but where were Earth's Mightiest Heroes when a bona fide genocide was going on?

But that's beside the point. To be honest, I think this entire crossover is just peaches. My one regret, perhaps, is that things seem too stacked against the Anti-Reg side. In my opinion, they have to lose for this story to have any impact all ready, but why stack the deck so much? Thor or Sentry alone could take on the entire Anti-Reg team and win.

And the X-Men helped kill Onslaught. In the end, it was all the non-mutie heroes who sacrificed themselves, but the X-Men were instrumental in Onslaught's defeat (Jean putting Hulk into a completely blind rage, Rogue's double-team with the Vision, etc). Don't know where Emma was, though. Probably off dancing for money.

[hippy fascist]

That spider-man seems to have misplaced his balls...maybe tony has them

[-S-Man-]

That it pro-side will inevitably triumph over the anti-side. Corruption (S.H.I.E.L.D) is victorious until the lies get out and they will lose.

[Smokeyjay]

The pro-side is portrayed as too evil. Wish there was a more balanced approach, because now Spiderman, Reed, Tony, etc. all come off looking bad.

Espescially Reed in my opinion.

[Magneto Rocks]

Alll points understood. Just wanted to point out that the X-Men KILLED Onslaught. The other heroes sacrificed themselves so that he was able to be killed, then they all attacked him/it and actually destroyed Onslaught.

[Gregg Helmberger]

Hey guys. I was looking down my CW checklist again and thinking about some missed oppurtunities.... we aren't really seeing Reed's views explained in his own title, She-Hulk only had 1 issue and it was a bit of a waste to be honest, so here is my question... what is your biggest regret so far in Civil War?

Mine is that the Cap and Iron Man books were too busy doing their own story arcs to tie in. It seems ridiculous to me that the two most important character in the ENTIRE event are off doing other things in their own stories. If any comic series should have had 6-issue-arc tie-ins, it was these two. We really haven't seen their viewpoints explained- not Tony's at all, and Cap's very badly and briefly in NA #21. Worse still, they are only what- 3 issues for Cap and 2 for Tony? Stupid.

I am completely with you. This is especially appalling in the case of Iron Man, since we're not really getting a solid pro-reg line from anywhere else.

[PaxHouse]

Other than missing the first printing of SHE-HULK #8......Not much.....:rolleyes: ;)

Although I do agree with the majority about the ways that Steve Rogers/Captain America and Tony Stark/Iron Man are being depicted within the CIVIL WAR Mini......:mad:

[Alan2099]

@ Alan: Ha Ha :p

Surely there must be SOME aspects you like? I mean, it's causing JMS to write the best Spidey he's ever written (admittedly not saying much), it's meant we get our Thor back, it's causing normally rubbish writers to write very well... and it's causing Bendis to have slightly more happen in each issue than before
I wouldn't say they're writting well. They're just not writing not as bad. Causing Bad writers to write not-as-bad, isn't a big plus in my book. I haven't read JMS in quite a while and I've given up Bendis, they're not ofering anything I want to read.

If there's been anything I liked about it it's been the Baron Zemo stuff. He's gotten some nice moments in the storyline and the Deadpool vs the Great lakes Whatever they hapened to be at the moment was good.

[RMThompson]

Well.. You cannot "regret" something you didn't do.

You can "regret" buying it... but I think what you mean is what have you been disapointed about!

[Magneto Rocks]

Oh fine, Mister Picky :P

[NewChad]

I regret buying Civil War: X-Men #1 - that was kinda dumb.

[CMBMOOL]

I regret getting into Ms. Marvel by the time Civil war begins, but I do not Regert it any more. :evilsmile

I also regret not getting into X-factor or New Avengers during this time, but I don't any more. The only problem is to decide which is better ? :confused:

I regret of ever hearing of Spider-man unmasking. To me it make it feel like a bad dream but it's not. And now we all must suffer the consequences. :(

To me the whole event seems one sided with the anti-heroes doing their job and the Pro heroes are acting as governmental enforcers who show either little or no emotion at all to their former compainions in justice.

Also what really tick me off is that they are making Spider-man suffer with constant enemy attacks from his lesser rouge gallery leading into a bigger fight with the bigger menaces of his rouge gallery. When we all know he should have gone anti in the first place. Then why do that just to make him suffer and drive the long time fans nutso. :mad:


Okay, now I'm better.

[stealthwise]

I also regret not getting into X-factor or New Avengers during this time, but I don't any more. The only problem is to decide which is better ? :confused:

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X-Factor, by leaps and bounds. Even if I were not buying Civil War, I could still follow the storyline, and PAD's writing is excellent.

[Magneto Rocks]

I regret of ever hearing of Spider-man unmasking. To me it make it feel like a bad dream but it's not. And now we all must suffer the consequences.

Or, y'know... enjoy the fact that we are getting the best Spidey story JMS has ever written in Amazing, and the best yet in FNS as a result... Naa, I still don't buy that Spidey would automatically have been anti as so many people said. Maybe originally, but not with that little thing called Character Development in recent years.

Oh, and X-Factor is better than NA, though neither are that great. To be truthful, I was disappointed that the X-factor 8 and 9 books were far more 'Decimation' tie-ins than Civil War, whereas NA... well, it's heavily slanted, and it's Bendis. Two very bad things.

[CMBMOOL]

Or, y'know... enjoy the fact that we are getting the best Spidey story JMS has ever written in Amazing, and the best yet in FNS as a result... Naa, I still don't buy that Spidey would automatically have been anti as so many people said. Maybe originally, but not with that little thing called Character Development in recent years.

Oh, and X-Factor is better than NA, though neither are that great. To be truthful, I was disappointed that the X-factor 8 and 9 books were far more 'Decimation' tie-ins than Civil War, whereas NA... well, it's heavily slanted, and it's Bendis. Two very bad things.

Okay I have to admit the character development is needed for Spider-man to survive in the Marvel universe and also due to reviews X-factor is a great series to get into. So I'm in.


Besides it reminds me of the cover to Amazing Spider-man issue #50, as Spider-man is truly no more for now to the world he is just Peter Parker in a mask. :(

[Funkyvenkman]

X-Factor has continued to amaze me. It's consitantly better than New Avengers, though the all Luke Cage issue was the best tie in of Civil War, and it was better bendis than House of M.

[stealthwise]

Or, y'know... enjoy the fact that we are getting the best Spidey story JMS has ever written in Amazing, and the best yet in FNS as a result... Naa, I still don't buy that Spidey would automatically have been anti as so many people said. Maybe originally, but not with that little thing called Character Development in recent years.

Oh, and X-Factor is better than NA, though neither are that great. To be truthful, I was disappointed that the X-factor 8 and 9 books were far more 'Decimation' tie-ins than Civil War, whereas NA... well, it's heavily slanted, and it's Bendis. Two very bad things.

Well, the whole premise of X-Factor thus far is that they're a mutant detective agency, trying to determine who caused the Decimation. Now that that's solved, they can finally move forward.

[BigBoss]

Hey guys. I was looking down my CW checklist again and thinking about some missed oppurtunities.... we aren't really seeing Reed's views explained in his own title, She-Hulk only had 1 issue and it was a bit of a waste to be honest, so here is my question... what is your biggest regret so far in Civil War?

Mine is that the Cap and Iron Man books were too busy doing their own story arcs to tie in. It seems ridiculous to me that the two most important character in the ENTIRE event are off doing other things in their own stories. If any comic series should have had 6-issue-arc tie-ins, it was these two. We really haven't seen their viewpoints explained- not Tony's at all, and Cap's very badly and briefly in NA #21. Worse still, they are only what- 3 issues for Cap and 2 for Tony? Stupid.
totally agree why does the Xmen get a 6 story arc hell thier hardly in civil war at all. hell are they even apart of it?

[BigBoss]

X-Factor has continued to amaze me. It's consitantly better than New Avengers, though the all Luke Cage issue was the best tie in of Civil War, and it was better bendis than House of M.
I need to read X factor I didint think it would be that good so I didint buy it.

[alextron]

Basically, Spider-man. I saw an issue of Amazing and realized if someone new picked that up they wouldn't know what was going on.

Spider-man isn't Spider-man anymore. He barely has a story anymore. It's extremely weak. He dies, comes back, new powers, they don't even go anywhere with it. Let's get him a new costume and then reveal his identity.

After the different origin and all this, I can't recognize this guy anymore.

[BigBoss]

Or, y'know... enjoy the fact that we are getting the best Spidey story JMS has ever written in Amazing, and the best yet in FNS as a result... Naa, I still don't buy that Spidey would automatically have been anti as so many people said. Maybe originally, but not with that little thing called Character Development in recent years.

Oh, and X-Factor is better than NA, though neither are that great. To be truthful, I was disappointed that the X-factor 8 and 9 books were far more 'Decimation' tie-ins than Civil War, whereas NA... well, it's heavily slanted, and it's Bendis. Two very bad things.
ahh new avengers is great.

[BigBoss]

Basically, Spider-man. I saw an issue of Amazing and realized if someone new picked that up they wouldn't know what was going on.

Spider-man isn't Spider-man anymore. He barely has a story anymore. It's extremely weak. He dies, comes back, new powers, they don't even go anywhere with it. Let's get him a new costume and then reveal his identity.

After the different origin and all this, I can't recognize this guy anymore.
what he is just the same guy new powers.

[drwho]

My biggest regret is getting caught up in one big storyline that will end up taking a year to finish.:evilsmile

[Doombot330]

Spending 3.00$ on She-hulk #8, Yuck.

Seriously my biggest regret is that I will be going on my church mission around dec. and i probably won't get to finish it now.

[jackolover]

Hey guys. I was looking down my CW checklist again and thinking about some missed oppurtunities.... we aren't really seeing Reed's views explained in his own title, She-Hulk only had 1 issue and it was a bit of a waste to be honest, so here is my question... what is your biggest regret so far in Civil War?

One She-Hulk? I have got #9 - 10. # 9 - JJJ goes bananas that She-Hulk is his daughter-in-law, but she convinces JJJ he can sue spidey. #10 - She-hulk getting Hellcat to register. They seem pretty good tie-ins if you keep getting them.

[streator]

i haven't had any regrets yet, granted i've only read civil war 1-2 and x-factor 8 thus far (yes i know i am behind).
i'm only getting the rest of the main series, x-factor 9 and civil war: x-men 1-4 anyway, so i'm hoping that i won't regret anything in the future either.

[IamtheRock3]

that it isnt more of a balance powewise

kind of silly cap team wasnt OWNED in minuts


That The pro sides heroes made up of kind of the Heroes that jerks a lot of the time. That aint fair.

let see the pro side main front runners
A WIFE BEATER, a sometimes drunk with macheveliant tediecies, And Reed who acting like a total dick lately. more then normal.

[Danger Dude]

I regret that I'm just a kid who can't buy everything, and that the Big Two have finally pushed me over the edge with their mega-events. From here on out it's just independents for me.

[Capt Hunter]

My biggest regret was not staying with Marvel thru the Infinite Crisis... I dropped everything except Captain America.. Now I am running around looking for back issues....

[Dark Soul # 7]

That Iron Man didnt come back at Emma Frost with " Where were you when Onslaught was killing New York?"No she wasn't there to help. But the X-men where and killed the damn thing. When an entire country was destroyed the Avengers never bothered to show up.

EDIT: Oh and I regret not getting the Wolverine tie-ins. They seem pretty good.

[scottv]

I don't have any regrets... hearing about Civil War is the thing that got me into comics and I have loved every issue that I have read except a couple.

[chrono727]

I regret getting the first issue...:( for me its a mess it feels rushed and I just don't see it sticking....As long as they got the Scarlet Witch get out of jail free card in their back pocket....I can't take this seriously.....Much like Onslaught....That had some lasting affects didnt it....:confused:

[Dark Soul # 7]

that it isnt more of a balance powewise

kind of silly cap team wasnt OWNED in minutsNo shit.
Even if you don't count the support troups from Shield the pro-team had a slight numeral advantaged but a much more impressive power/skill advantaged.

And then Thor came.

[Magneto Rocks]

Well, where were the X-Men when the WORLD was hijacked by Kang for MONTHS? I don't seem to recall them leaping to the defence or saving the damned planet. There now, Genosha doesn't seem so big anymore :P

[Cayman]

I regret Namorita dying.

She was cool.

Cay

[Dark Soul # 7]

Well, where were the X-Men when the WORLD was hijacked by Kang for MONTHS? I don't seem to recall them leaping to the defence or saving the damned planet. There now, Genosha doesn't seem so big anymore :PYeah, because the X-men have never saved the planet without assistance from other heroes and/or teams.
Never ever.
Nope, not once.

[Capt Hunter]

Yeah, because the X-men have never saved the planet without assistance from other heroes and/or teams.
Never ever.
Nope, not once.

Exactly.... (Though I secretly wish to see a couple of mini's covering what went down....)

[Pwood]

That Hawkeye isn't in it. :(

[shaunyc56]

That Hank hasn't died yet.

That all the monarchs (BP, Namor, Doc Doom, etc..) haven't recognized the threat yet that a united federal Super human defense (and offense) force poses to them and they haven't begun banding together yet.

In my perfect post civil war, all the Anti heroes are an international avengers "defense" force. Led by Capt America, Tech from the Inhumans, funded by Atlantis, and Wakanda, w/ BP, Namor, and Doom setting the missions. I think that would be good tension.

I was also regretting guys like Moon Knight being ignored, Prowler being herbed and Wonderman given shine. But the story is kinda addressing these points.

[daniel2099]

the story gap that is happing with the delays

[CyberCoyote]

I regret that Speedball and co had to be portrayed as total amature jack-___es for the story to start, and that Nita died for it.


Beyond that, just what the other posters have said. It's too bad the pro-side is coming off as such jerks. I'm hoping there's a reason for it and it's mostly a ploy. I hope.

[Pwood]

I regret that Speedball and co had to be portrayed as total amature jack-___es for the story to start, and that Nita died for it.


I'll have to agree there. No need to kill Namorita and make Speedball the negative figurehead of such a pivotal moment for superheroes.

[jefseg77]

My regret is that the biggest casualty is the New Avengers. I know most people hated Spider-man being on a team but I thought he was working well and it gave him good opportunities for humor. I thought the team was great with addition of Cage and even Wolverine in this dynamic was working. I read comics off and on my whole life and this is the first time I ever enjoyed the Avengers. Now they are done for, at least this version.:mad:

[SnakeEater]

I didnt want to just start this thread because i didnt want it merged or whatever it existing ones, but i have an opinion about why the Thor return doesnt work. First of all, the only thing we got from Thor returning were the brief hints in Fantastic 4 prior to Civil War happening. There are no clues leading us to believe anything about Thor and he just comes back at the end of issue 3 and we are supposed to except it. But what about Hawkeye?
Fans have been ticked off since Hawkeye was killed during disassembled, and yet Marvel brings back the one guy no one has made so much as a fuss about. I dont understand it. What could Thor possibly do other then cause the controcersy has has on the boards so far. All i have read since his return is that it isnt Thor because he wouldnt be Pro Reg, and he is ticked off because his friends are fighting, and the priview shots of CV4 make it seem like its not him. Its not really all that entertaining at all and the Thor return wasnt as big as the Spider-Man unmasking, or even the Colossus return over in X-men. Hawkeye however would have been a better candidate.

Think about it. While Hercules is running to save Captain America, an arrow pierces his chest. Everyone is in shock, suddenly an exploding arrow his the middle of the heroes and everyone is sent flying. Final Page Reveals just Clint with no Hawkeye costume and he is ticked the hell off. No one knows what side he is on because everyone is all over the place.
CV4 opens and Clint is screaming at everyone and everyone is scared out of their minds. Clint starts yelling at Cap "You were the leader of the Avengers, blah blah blah, allowed people like Scarlet Witch into the fold, blah blah blah couldnt be trusted and ruined everything." So he declares he is pro reg because it would be better off if we knew who the heroes and villians are. Everyone is upset but at least the story could have been overwhelming instead of "Oh its Thor but it isnt." Theonly thing to come out of Thor's return is who is the one who dies next issue, the hell with that i want to see Hawkeye trn the tides.

[Magneto Rocks]

I didnt want to just start this thread because i didnt want it merged or whatever it existing ones, but i have an opinion about why the Thor return doesnt work. First of all, the only thing we got from Thor returning were the brief hints in Fantastic 4 prior to Civil War happening. There are no clues leading us to believe anything about Thor and he just comes back at the end of issue 3 and we are supposed to except it. But what about Hawkeye?

BRIEF HINTS in Fantastic Four? You mean, actually spelling out that he was pretty much dcefinitely coming back? There are HUGE hints. Gaping, massive, obvious, virtually-telling-us HINTS!

Fans have been ticked off since Hawkeye was killed during disassembled, and yet Marvel brings back the one guy no one has made so much as a fuss about. I dont understand it. What could Thor possibly do other then cause the controcersy has has on the boards so far. All i have read since his return is that it isnt Thor because he wouldnt be Pro Reg, and he is ticked off because his friends are fighting, and the priview shots of CV4 make it seem like its not him. Its not really all that entertaining at all and the Thor return wasnt as big as the Spider-Man unmasking, or even the Colossus return over in X-men. Hawkeye however would have been a better candidate.

Thor is a bigger character than Hawkeye. Far bigger. Sorry, hawk-fans, but accept it. If Hawkeye returned, it would be shocking... but not that important, really. Thor, on the other hand, could destroy either side in the Civil War- his presence is everything. All I have read since CW3 has been talk about Thor and WHY he is pro-reg, etc, etc. There has been as much positive things as negative things. Hawkeye would have been a ridiculous candidate- shocking for all, but ultimately unimportant. Thor's return wasn't made as big as the Spidey Unmasking because it WASN'T as big as the Spidey unmasking, and it was (IMO) handled much better than the Colossus return. Remember that there was much contraversy over Hawkeye's 'dea'th, but we knew Thor was coming back from the start. Unlike Clint.

Think about it. While Hercules is running to save Captain America, an arrow pierces his chest. Everyone is in shock, suddenly an exploding arrow his the middle of the heroes and everyone is sent flying. Final Page Reveals just Clint with no Hawkeye costume and he is ticked the hell off. No one knows what side he is on because everyone is all over the place.

...Well, that is far worse than what we actually got. Firstly, Hercules would shrug off an arrow. Secondly, I can name a half dozen or more heroes on EITHER side who could take down Clint Barton. Next- if Thor is unlikely to be pro-reg, Clint is even LESS likely to stop someone from saving Cap.


CV4 opens and Clint is screaming at everyone and everyone is scared out of their minds. Clint starts yelling at Cap "You were the leader of the Avengers, blah blah blah, allowed people like Scarlet Witch into the fold, blah blah blah couldnt be trusted and ruined everything." So he declares he is pro reg because it would be better off if we knew who the heroes and villians are. Everyone is upset but at least the story could have been overwhelming instead of "Oh its Thor but it isnt." Theonly thing to come out of Thor's return is who is the one who dies next issue, the hell with that i want to see Hawkeye trn the tides.

.... I'm sorry, but that is blatantly ridiculous. Hawkeye CANNOT turn the tide, he just isn't good enough. Not with force- he might shift the sides because of his choice, but Thor is, in the end, a FAR more major character. What you just described Hawkeye doing is far more OOC than what we've seen with Thor. Pro-Reg is better, but Clint just wouldn't go pro-reg, much more than Thor. And he certainly wouldn't complain about allowing SW in.

The story WAS overwhelming, it generated much hype, you seem to be seeing what you want to see. Whereas if it was Hawkeye it woul be ridiculius because we got the SAME 'shocking' thing in House of M #3, he is a far less important and powerful character, there was zero build-up, and you described Hawkeye acting incredibly OOC. What ACTUALLY happens out of Thor's return is internet hype, shock in comics and reality, the death of a character, one side gaining a massive advantage, and the whole war changing.

[-S-Man-]

I agree Clint might have been a good character to bring back from the dead but you must admit that Thor coming back has a much larger impact on the war than anything else.

[Doom Hammer]

I didnt want to just start this thread because i didnt want it merged or whatever it existing ones, but i have an opinion about why the Thor return doesnt work. First of all, the only thing we got from Thor returning were the brief hints in Fantastic 4 prior to Civil War happening. There are no clues leading us to believe anything about Thor and he just comes back at the end of issue 3 and we are supposed to except it. But what about Hawkeye?
Fans have been ticked off since Hawkeye was killed during disassembled, and yet Marvel brings back the one guy no one has made so much as a fuss about. I dont understand it. What could Thor possibly do other then cause the controcersy has has on the boards so far. All i have read since his return is that it isnt Thor because he wouldnt be Pro Reg, and he is ticked off because his friends are fighting, and the priview shots of CV4 make it seem like its not him. Its not really all that entertaining at all and the Thor return wasnt as big as the Spider-Man unmasking, or even the Colossus return over in X-men. Hawkeye however would have been a better candidate.

Think about it. While Hercules is running to save Captain America, an arrow pierces his chest. Everyone is in shock, suddenly an exploding arrow his the middle of the heroes and everyone is sent flying. Final Page Reveals just Clint with no Hawkeye costume and he is ticked the hell off. No one knows what side he is on because everyone is all over the place.
CV4 opens and Clint is screaming at everyone and everyone is scared out of their minds. Clint starts yelling at Cap "You were the leader of the Avengers, blah blah blah, allowed people like Scarlet Witch into the fold, blah blah blah couldnt be trusted and ruined everything." So he declares he is pro reg because it would be better off if we knew who the heroes and villians are. Everyone is upset but at least the story could have been overwhelming instead of "Oh its Thor but it isnt." Theonly thing to come out of Thor's return is who is the one who dies next issue, the hell with that i want to see Hawkeye trn the tides.

This is a joke. You're suggesting that Hawkeye be put in Thor's place JUST BECAUSE you prefer Hawkeye to Thor, and you started a thread about it. You literally just replaced Thor with Hawkeye, that's all you did, you don't even have any legitimate complaints, just ill-explained personal opinion. What is the point of this?

[Doom Hammer]

I agree Clint might have been a good character to bring back from the dead but you must admit that Thor coming back has a much larger impact on the war than anything else.

Heh, yeah, it'd have played out differently with Hawkeye. Instead of all the arebels running away, they'd have, you know, kicked his non-powered ass. :D

[Ult. Fireboy]

Yeah, they didn't give any clues of Thor appearing during the battle of Civil War 3. Sure they gave tons of clues and made it a fact that he was coming back in Fantastic Four 536- 538.:) I never saw it coming at the end of Civil War 3 though. I made a terrible mistake by looking at the last page at the comic shop.:o I also bought the secret variant, which had Thor on it. That spoiled too!
:eek:

[the film freak]

I agree Clint might have been a good character to bring back from the dead but you must admit that Thor coming back has a much larger impact on the war than anything else.

Seriously. I mean I like Hawkeye but a guy shooting arrows doesn't have the same kind of impact as the God of Thunder.

[Doom Hammer]

Seriously. I mean I like Hawkeye but a guy shooting arrows doesn't have the same kind of impact as the God of Thunder.

"You are all going...oh, God, ahh! Stop it, oh crap, please...!!!"

[Alan2099]

Hawkeye however would have been a better candidate.
I SAY THEE NAY!

Thou speaks as if thy mind hath been tiwsted by some foul trickery, no doubt the works of Thor's evil half brother Loki.

But seriously, where else are you going to find quality dialog like that? Hawkeye isn't going to give it to you.

[Ult. Fireboy]

Hawkeye is a great character with a great personality.:) I wonder if this is the works of Loki. Since Thor didn't exactly die in the Ragnorock series, why would Loki?:confused:

[Beast]

"You are all going...oh, God, ahh! Stop it, oh crap, please...!!!"
You forgot..... "Not like this, not like this.... Aieeee!!"

[Ult. Fireboy]

The lines of Hawkeye's last words to save his teammates by killing himself brings a tear to my eye.:( :( :( :(

[Doom Hammer]

You forgot..... "Not like this, not like this.... Aieeee!!"

I thought it was implied. :p

[Ult. Fireboy]

Hawkeye died a hero by saving all the super heroes from a Kree invasion and Thor died saving his people from a never ending gruesume battle. I think Hawkeye will be ticked off when he returns too because it was Scarlet Witches powers that killed him. Thor is back and not happy at Anybody.:evilangry

300th Post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D
With Cap All The Way!!!!!!!!!!:D :D

[Magneto Rocks]

...Well, hawkeye died uselessly when he could have TAKEN OFF THE DAMN QUIVER, and Thor didn't even die! :P

[Alan2099]

...Well, hawkeye died uselessly when he could have TAKEN OFF THE DAMN QUIVER, and Thor didn't even die! :P
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[Doom Hammer]

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Cable & Deadpool #1-14 is, by far, the best thing ever. I think that's a fair and balanced assessment. ;)

[Ult. Fireboy]

...Well, hawkeye died uselessly when he could have TAKEN OFF THE DAMN QUIVER, and Thor didn't even die! :P
WHAT? Hawkeye was shot up to the alien craft and destroyed it. How is that ueless?:confused:

[Joe Acro]

WHAT? Hawkeye was shot up to the alien craft and destroyed it. How is that ueless?:confused:
Are you sure he destroyed it? Maybe Wanda made everyone think it was destroyed. She made everyone believe it was there in the first place. For all we know, Wanda may have transported Clint somewhere and he was reawakened after House of M due to the events within that story. Who can say for certain that he ever died in the first place?

[Hulkamaniac]

WHAT? Hawkeye was shot up to the alien craft and destroyed it. How is that ueless?:confused:

exactly, he's gone so thats an upside right?
I mean the guy was a glorified "Green Arrow". who likes guys in purple shooting arrows anyway? and to then compare the character and impact of Thor in the marvel universe to Hawkeye? what are you thinking?
1. Thor is stronger
2. Thor was an original Avenger
3. Thor is a much bigger player in marvel than Hawkeye will ever be.
4. Hawkeye is lame, good chracter when written well (like a love triangle or depressed about his criminal past, hold on a minute that is lame, oh well)

I'm not a Hawkeye hater, just a realist commenting on a totally fake world :D

[Ult. Fireboy]

I think Hawkeye was great. You ever see Ultimate HAwkeye? Try beating him.:evilsmile

[Hulkamaniac]

I think Hawkeye was great. You ever see Ultimate HAwkeye? Try beating him.:evilsmile

Well, that may be true, but I'm talking about the regular marvel universe Hawkeye, In my view its basically two different things.

[alextron]

IT's a cross between Spider-man and the fact that sales will go down when the industry needs a boost.

I could think of better ways to unmask Spider-man and have it be a good story. Certainly better than that tripe.

This is the last thing the industry needs right now.

[Omega Alpha]

Hey guys. I was looking down my CW checklist again and thinking about some missed oppurtunities.... we aren't really seeing Reed's views explained in his own title, She-Hulk only had 1 issue and it was a bit of a waste to be honest, so here is my question... what is your biggest regret so far in Civil War?

Mine is that the Cap and Iron Man books were too busy doing their own story arcs to tie in. It seems ridiculous to me that the two most important character in the ENTIRE event are off doing other things in their own stories. If any comic series should have had 6-issue-arc tie-ins, it was these two. We really haven't seen their viewpoints explained- not Tony's at all, and Cap's very badly and briefly in NA #21. Worse still, they are only what- 3 issues for Cap and 2 for Tony? Stupid.

Agreed. Specially because they haven't being portraying the Pro-side, and specially Iron Man, in a very positive light, it would be nice to have a better insight about his motivations.

[SnakeEater]

First let me apologize for not responding sooner, i have a rather boring family life and most of them spend their time online, so i cant get on as often, second i couldnt find my freaking thread, and third i have dial so searching took forever.

In any case, back to my point. My problem with Thor is he is bland as heck and i dont think Millar can save him for me. I dont like the concept of a god living among humans and still being so lame. Superman isnt a god, but he and Sentry also fall into this category. If you can do all these great things, why isnt the world a better place?
With Hawkeye, i believe the boards would have been more alive with OMG this is bigger then Spider-man unmasking. All we have seen since Thor came back is "that isnt the real thor" and "who will die?" That isnt even cool, that just degrades the character a bit. We arent looking forward to what he brings to the table, just who he may of killed and the fact that it may not be him. Besides what are his reasons for fighting in a war that doesnt concern him? He is a god from Odin, if the registration is passed he should stay there, its not sweat of his back. Hawkeye on the other hand has every reason to be either pro (mostly pro) or anti and his story may not effect the outcome so much, but judging my Millar's writing in the past im sure Hawkeye wouldnt have sucked like so many claim.
Im not a big Hawkeye fan either, and i dont have any real knowledge on either him or Thor, but i still think that creatively it would have been a better decision to have Clint return during Civil War, and not after. Thor could have waited, or returned in that big sci fi space event going on right now, but in my opinion him being here means nothing but some uber power helping registration be more powerful then it already was.

[-S-Man-]

All we have seen since Thor came back is "that isnt the real thor" and "who will die?"
Thats not fair. Your putting everyone in the same category. They're just theories and eventually the right theory will come along and that will change everything. But I do agree that it does degrade the character.
How could Hawkeye coming be bigger than the unmasking? Thor has the power to turn the table by making Tony and Steve talk to each other without name calling :p
Realistically, how could Clint change everything?
Hawkeye on the other hand has every reason to be either pro (mostly pro) or anti and his story may not effect the outcome so much
Thor / Clint hmmm, which has more influnce over the two apposing leaders? Thor
but judging my Millar's writing in the past im sure Hawkeye wouldnt have sucked like so many claim.
Yeah...Millar is a good writer so maybe he might add a twist but using Thor, the story just writes itself.

[Butch Mapa]

I regret not buying all the tie-ins. From what I've read online, most of the tie-ins seem to be good. I can still get osme of them, but some of the earlier issues only have the second prints available-- not too keen on that. I'll just pick up the trades. ;)

I second the fact that Tony' got his own arc while Civ War is happening. He seems to be the most interesting character in the War so far.

[Jmacq1]

My biggest regret about Civil War is that they're focusing too strongly on certain aspects of the main characters' personalities (Captain America = stubborn and unyielding, Iron Man = ruthless and manipulative) in the midst of an event where new readers (or at least readers that don't normally read the characters) might end up with a skewed view of who these great characters really are. This may end up particularly true with Thor, for reasons I've elaborated in other threads.

Where's the Captain America that used to be able to calm rioting crowds with a well-timed speech? The compassionate artist who knew that sometimes a soft touch accomplishes a lot more than a closed fist?

Where's the Iron Man that was desperate to save Captain America's life when the Super-Soldier-Serum was breaking down? The one that gave Captain America control codes for his armor?

Where's the Thor that would follow Captain America into Hel itself? The one that was great friends with -both- Iron Man and Captain America. Battling -both- sides I could see from him. Battling -neither- side I could see from him. But being completely and totally for one side and (possibly) willing to kill the other? Just doesn't seem right. (Yeah Yeah, explanations forthcoming, I know).

[Shellhead]

I agree that the characterizations of Iron Man and Captain America seem off, and the fact that their own respective titles haven't been supporting Civil War is a serious missed opportunity. If anything, the writers of those two titles should have been closely involved with the planning for Civil War,and every single issue should be tied in to the main story arc.

Also, while I understand the need to clearly identify comics that tie into Civil War, I'm disappointed that the result is 50% less cover artwork.

[Jmacq1]

I agree that the characterizations of Iron Man and Captain America seem off, and the fact that their own respective titles haven't been supporting Civil War is a serious missed opportunity. If anything, the writers of those two titles should have been closely involved with the planning for Civil War,and every single issue should be tied in to the main story arc.

Also, while I understand the need to clearly identify comics that tie into Civil War, I'm disappointed that the result is 50% less cover artwork.

Well, Cap and Tony -do- have tie-in issues in their ongoings coming up. It's just that their tie-ins start in the second half of the "War" as opposed to the first, thus giving their writers time to cap off the already-running story arcs before things get "interrupted" by "Civil War."

It would be nice to see how their "main" writers handle these events, though. Particularly Brubaker on Cap, who seems to have a much more deft grasp of Steve's character than Millar.

[XPac]

Even though their singles books haven't dealt with Cap and Iron Man's perspectives yet, at least there are those NA one shots. Tony's hasn't come out yet obviously, but we're definately seeing a lot of Tony and Cap even if their main books are missing out a bit so far. I don't feel I'm at a loss over Tony and Cap as far as Civil War coverage goes.

[rerun]

I agree about Cap and IM not being involved with their own series. A little better planning could have made that work out.

I don't really know how they could balance out the pro/anti fight better. I think in the comic world we would side with the anti forces. But in the real world, we'd be Pro. besides having Cap run over a kid with a car, we'd still be on the Anti side (for the most part).

I wish it was better prepared and launched. Less delays, more involvement in the core titles, the feeling that the Pro side is going to come out looking like stooges when this ends.

However, i still think this is a good concept and it does seem like a natural conflict. But the pro side doesn't realize they're being played.

[mybotisgone]

Looking at the titls coming out after Civil War it seems to me that Civil War will still go on for 2 or 3 maybe even 4 years even that Civil War comic is over.:(

[Omega Alpha]

Looking at the titls coming out after Civil War it seems to me that Civil War will still go on for 2 or 3 maybe even 4 years even that Civil War comic is over.:(

You mean the aftermath, the consequences? If it is, sure it will, and it should.