What is *your* take on Big Blue?

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Would you change anything? Or leave it as is?

Would you make him a god or less powerful? Krypton would be the most advanced civilization or not?

What about his relationships?

[David Atkins]

Most of the changes I would make would favor the MOS origins pretty heavily. Krypton, however, would be presented very much like it was in the novelization for Superman Returns.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Bring him back to Byrne´s MoS power level.

Make him HUMAN, no man would refuse to sleep with Wonder Woman after 1,000 years in Asgard fighting demons, not even a SUPERman.
He´s a good guy, not a Saint.

Give him more vilains of the Darkseid/Mongul variety and less of the Toyman persuassion.

Kill Lois, I hate that cow. Smother him with potential love interestsd, especially in the meta population.

Give him people-friends to hang with, Jimmy is too young, Perry is too old, Bruce is a nut.

[J. Robb]

Short version: A god who dreams he is a man.

[trickster]

Make him HUMAN, no man would refuse to sleep with Wonder Woman after 1,000 years in Asgard fighting demons, not even a SUPERman.
He´s a good guy, not a Saint.



Maybe he just can't get wood, let alone steel :D and he's afraid to admit it. "Right, you know I just have a lot of self-control. Yeah, that's it."

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Too much exposure to kryptonite will do that to one´s mojo. :cool:

[IamtheRock3]

more hands on

I know metorplis his home and that wouldnt change..but like him to be more wordwide, name sense it takes him seconds, minuts at most to get to differnt countries

maybe some dips into space.

[Aelo]

Bring him back to Byrne´s MoS power level.

Make him HUMAN, no man would refuse to sleep with Wonder Woman after 1,000 years in Asgard fighting demons, not even a SUPERman.
He´s a good guy, not a Saint.

Give him more vilains of the Darkseid/Mongul variety and less of the Toyman persuassion.

Kill Lois, I hate that cow. Smother him with potential love interestsd, especially in the meta population.

Give him people-friends to hang with, Jimmy is too young, Perry is too old, Bruce is a nut.

Co-Signed. Especially the part about Lois. Get her out of the way so Supes can get some play with some other women.

[Tony Starkz]

I thought the year one tale of Birthright smoothed out the rough edges of Supes' origins.

[West Mantooth]

Remove the S as a symbol from Krypton. I'm willing to let the "physically" looks human stuff go, but a symbol from our alphabet? Use the rings symbol from Smallville and say that Clark put the S on to remind him of both his homes.

[TheTen-EyedMan]

Lois is here to stay.

They had a cocktease for nearly 60 years...they're not going to dial it back.

Lois is as integral to Superman as is Perry White, Jimmy Olsen, Alexis Luthor and Ma and Pa Kent.

[MythicBrawn]

Bring him back to Byrne´s MoS power level.

Make him HUMAN, no man would refuse to sleep with Wonder Woman after 1,000 years in Asgard fighting demons, not even a SUPERman.
He´s a good guy, not a Saint.

Give him more vilains of the Darkseid/Mongul variety and less of the Toyman persuassion.

Kill Lois, I hate that cow. Smother him with potential love interestsd, especially in the meta population.

Give him people-friends to hang with, Jimmy is too young, Perry is too old, Bruce is a nut.

I agree with everything except killing Lois. She doesn't have to die she just doesn't need to be with Superman. Also, I would upgrade his costume. NO MORE MAN-PANTIES!!!!

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Most of the changes I would make would favor the MOS origins pretty heavily. Krypton, however, would be presented very much like it was in the novelization for Superman Returns.

Is there a difference between the novelization and the movie?

EDIT: please, don't spoil anything, cuz I plan on getting that novel.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Bring him back to Byrne´s MoS power level.

Make him HUMAN, no man would refuse to sleep with Wonder Woman after 1,000 years in Asgard fighting demons, not even a SUPERman.
He´s a good guy, not a Saint.

Hmmm... I guess you could play a little with the status quo. but not too much.

Give him more vilains of the Darkseid/Mongul variety and less of the Toyman persuassion.

Agreed.

Kill Lois, I hate that cow. Smother him with potential love interestsd, especially in the meta population.

Hehe. Don't think that's gonna happen. It would make some cool stuff possible, though.

Give him people-friends to hang with, Jimmy is too young, Perry is too old, Bruce is a nut.

Any suggestions?

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Short version: A god who dreams he is a man.

Cool. I'd like something similar, yet not equal, to that.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Maybe he just can't get wood, let alone steel :D and he's afraid to admit it. "Right, you know I just have a lot of self-control. Yeah, that's it."

*ROTFL*

Good one.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

more hands on

I know metorplis his home and that wouldnt change..but like him to be more wordwide, name sense it takes him seconds, minuts at most to get to differnt countries

maybe some dips into space.

Excellent! I'd like that too. He's not US only. He's a WORLD ICON.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Co-Signed. Especially the part about Lois. Get her out of the way so Supes can get some play with some other women.

I admit I'd like to see that, if only to know how would it play out.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I thought the year one tale of Birthright smoothed out the rough edges of Supes' origins.

I love Birthright. But as pretty much everything in life, I think it could have been so much more. Especially when it comes to Krypton.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Remove the S as a symbol from Krypton. I'm willing to let the "physically" looks human stuff go, but a symbol from our alphabet? Use the rings symbol from Smallville and say that Clark put the S on to remind him of both his homes.

Don't know. Perhaps it's a good idea. But I wouldn't like the comics to get ideas from Smallville.

I personally love the S as the Shield of the Legendary House Of El.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Lois is here to stay.

They had a cocktease for nearly 60 years...they're not going to dial it back.

Lois is as integral to Superman as is Perry White, Jimmy Olsen, Alexis Luthor and Ma and Pa Kent.

Alexis Luthor? Or Alexander?

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I agree with everything except killing Lois. She doesn't have to die she just doesn't need to be with Superman. Also, I would upgrade his costume. NO MORE MAN-PANTIES!!!!

Perhaps a divorce? cuz it's too late for the "they never got married thanx to Superboy Prime" stuff.

[TheTen-EyedMan]

Alexis Luthor? Or Alexander?

If I remember correctly, Alexis.

He was originally foreign. Armenian or some such.

Hence the allusion (illusion?) to the countess that he duffed up being foreign.

[sun tzu]

Honestly, I like him very much as is. I don't really see much in need of change.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

If I remember correctly, Alexis.

He was originally foreign. Armenian or some such.

Hence the allusion (illusion?) to the countess that he duffed up being foreign.

When was that? Golden Age? Or Silver Age?

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Honestly, I like him very much as is. I don't really see much in need of change.

Hmmm... I see. You're one of the few people that say that.

[sun tzu]

Hmmm... I see. You're one of the few people that say that.
I recently read "Superman: Strange Attractors". I saw a guy in a functional relationship with a great wife, who was selflessly risking his life and devoting his time to protect others. I saw him treat all people with respect, even taking the time to come back and say hi to some random folks who helped him at a minor point in the story. I saw him encourage other folks to greatness. I saw him take head-on on fights that were challenging to him, but that he could overcome with a mix of super-powers, intelligence, and audacity.
I see nothing that requires change. Seriously, I'm glad there's a character like that...Just as I am glad there are characters like Batman, Wonder Woman or Spiderman.

[VietN]

I've read a couple Superman comics since Crisis and found them to be interesting so far. This is a better question, imo, for later.

Do not get lost in the details of what happened with WW. Point is that they further established Lois. As improbable as it may have gone for many, it was still an interesting story as well.

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Keep the underwear on the outside. We can just assume that in the DC world/universe they don't give a rats ass what heroes are wearing since they've been living with them for decades.

[cactusmaac]

I don't particularly care what version any writer uses.

I just want interesting stories.

[Joe Acro]

I miss the Supes from the around the same time as Marvel vs. DC. He was powerful, but not the god-like, almost-unstoppable-short-of-kryptonie-or-a-red-sun being he has become. You know, the one who can hold a star in his hands with no ill effects. The one who can fly halfway across the world in about a second. The one who can defeat super-powerful enemies alone (like Darkseid). The one who can breath in space (or so it seems). In All Access, he had trouble with Venom. It was probably because he didn't use his heat vision, but still. I want that Superman. The one who has trouble defeat his cyborg counterpart. The one who dies fighting Doomsday. And I also want one who doesn't lose his powers almost instantaneously after being hit with the rays of a red sun. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

[IamtheRock3]

I can see having a less powerfull Superman

But dude shouldnt be having trouble with Venom

[Black Atom]

Honestly, I like him very much as is. I don't really see much in need of change.

I agree. If anything, I'd make him more confident, probably. But really, Superman is supposed to represent an ideal. He's supposed to be better than you. There's plenty of other guys out there for us to relate to, but Superman we're supposed to strive to be like.

[Alan2099]

I'd go with the Animated series version. Not the JLU series, but the series before it. I think that had the best of all worlds. A dynamic Lois and Clark relationship without it being overdone.

It even gave him a good power level. Powerful withough being godlike. Just pretty darn tough and versitile.

You can ditch Brainiac being Kryptonian though.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I recently read "Superman: Strange Attractors". I saw a guy in a functional relationship with a great wife, who was selflessly risking his life and devoting his time to protect others. I saw him treat all people with respect, even taking the time to come back and say hi to some random folks who helped him at a minor point in the story. I saw him encourage other folks to greatness. I saw him take head-on on fights that were challenging to him, but that he could overcome with a mix of super-powers, intelligence, and audacity.
I see nothing that requires change. Seriously, I'm glad there's a character like that...Just as I am glad there are characters like Batman, Wonder Woman or Spiderman.

Excellent. Good that you like it that way. And there's something interesting there: intelligence and audacity. Some writers tend to forget that to some extent.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I've read a couple Superman comics since Crisis and found them to be interesting so far. This is a better question, imo, for later.

Good. There can be great stories, but one always wants something that thinks is "missing".

Do not get lost in the details of what happened with WW. Point is that they further established Lois. As improbable as it may have gone for many, it was still an interesting story as well.

What story are you talking about? And yes, Lois is here to stay.

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Keep the underwear on the outside. We can just assume that in the DC world/universe they don't give a rats ass what heroes are wearing since they've been living with them for decades.

*LOL* You're right on that. That's a classic feature, actually.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I don't particularly care what version any writer uses.

I just want interesting stories.

Well, that's good. A good story is essential. Do you have some stories in particular?

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I don't particularly care what version any writer uses.

I just want interesting stories.

Well, that's good. A good story is essential. Do you have some stories in particular?

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I miss the Supes from the around the same time as Marvel vs. DC. He was powerful, but not the god-like, almost-unstoppable-short-of-kryptonie-or-a-red-sun being he has become. You know, the one who can hold a star in his hands with no ill effects. The one who can fly halfway across the world in about a second. The one who can defeat super-powerful enemies alone (like Darkseid). The one who can breath in space (or so it seems). In All Access, he had trouble with Venom. It was probably because he didn't use his heat vision, but still. I want that Superman. The one who has trouble defeat his cyborg counterpart. The one who dies fighting Doomsday. And I also want one who doesn't lose his powers almost instantaneously after being hit with the rays of a red sun. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Hmmm... I agree with the last thing you said. Superman losing his powers that fast whenever a red sun ray hits him makes no sense (although the "reason" has already been explained). But damn, Superman shouldn't have *any* problem with Venom. That's too weak, IMO. I respect your opinion, though.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I can see having a less powerfull Superman

But dude shouldnt be having trouble with Venom

Meh, if anything, I'd like him to be more powerful. That shouldn't pose any threat for a writer. He/she should be able to write great stories with a godly Superman.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I agree. If anything, I'd make him more confident, probably. But really, Superman is supposed to represent an ideal. He's supposed to be better than you. There's plenty of other guys out there for us to relate to, but Superman we're supposed to strive to be like.

With this I agree. He's an icon, an ideal, something we can aspire to become.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I'd go with the Animated series version. Not the JLU series, but the series before it. I think that had the best of all worlds. A dynamic Lois and Clark relationship without it being overdone.

It even gave him a good power level. Powerful withough being godlike. Just pretty darn tough and versitile.

You can ditch Brainiac being Kryptonian though.

The series was great, but the only problem I found with it was that right there. Superman was too weak.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Short version: A god who dreams he is a man.

Sounds about right to me.

[Deskad]

He lands in Russia, the real Russia, not some american-viewpoint evil land filled with ushanka wearing stereotypes. No change in costume though, it is fine the way it is. Nor in his attitude, maybe a bit more realistic.

No weakness to magic, gravity AND sun based powers.

"Red Son" powerlevel.

1 piece of Kryptonite only, and a small one at that, unsynthesizable.

Has no affiliation with any particular government.

Acts more like a real person in manner of solving problems and talking to people.

Will kill if there is absolutely, positively no other way to really stop the enemy for good.

More of the physically challenging opponents.

NO LOIS LANE.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Oooh, one other thing:

no underwear on the outside.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Sounds about right to me.

Cool. Care to elaborate?

[666MasterOfPuppets]

He lands in Russia, the real Russia, not some american-viewpoint evil land filled with ushanka wearing stereotypes. No change in costume though, it is fine the way it is. Nor in his attitude, maybe a bit more realistic.

No weakness to magic, gravity AND sun based powers.

"Red Son" powerlevel.

1 piece of Kryptonite only, and a small one at that, unsynthesizable.

Has no affiliation with any particular government.

Acts more like a real person in manner of solving problems and talking to people.

Will kill if there is absolutely, positively no other way to really stop the enemy for good.

More of the physically challenging opponents.

NO LOIS LANE.

I agree with several of your ideas. And the one about landing in Russia is very, VERY interesting.

EDIT: I mean, the existence of only one piece of Kryptonite could prove interesting fo making good stories: how the villains try to get it, and how the fight each other for it.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Oooh, one other thing:

no underwear on the outside.

Hehe. I'm not sure I agree. That's a classic after all, as outdated as it might look to some people.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Hey, does anyone want to write a paragraph about how that vision of Superman would be, a la fanfic?

And, if anyone here has an idea about the suit, why not draw it and post it here?

[The K-MAN]

I'm not an artist but if it were up to me to change his suit I would

1.Make the suit darker(kinda like SR)
2.Lose the undies and make a design from blue to red(where the undies used to be)
3.Make his hair longer(not a mullet though)
4.Make the S not too small but not too large(the S would pop out like in SR)
5. Don't really need a S on the cape
6.Long cape
7.Kinda like it when there is black instead of yellow
8.Superman has to be bigger than Routh

IF IT WERE REALLY REALLY UP TO ME

I would make Superman wear Connor's version(jeans,belt,black shirt with a "S"

OTHER CHANGES

It would be cool if he flew without his arms in front of him.....

I like when Clark stands up for himself(like the last issue with Jeffrey the Action Bulletin Guy)

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Cool. Care to elaborate?

Well, if I had my druthers, Superman would, once again, be the original superhero of the DC Universe, following the template that Alan Moore quite brilliantly laid out with his Supreme work.

The long and short of it is that Superman first appeared in the late 1930s as America was struggling out of the Great Depression. He inspired others to don colorful costumes and follow his example, eventually helping form the Justice Society. The great love of his life during this period was his childhood sweetheart, Lana Lang, who'd moved from Smallville to Metropolis to become a reporter for the Daily Star.

Shortly after the end of World War 2, Superman finally learns about his Kryptonian heritage from three survivors of his dead homeworld, who had saved themselves by projecting themselves into a dimension called the Phantom Zone. However, when Lana Lang discovers these Kryptonians are actually criminals banished from Krypton by Superman's birth father, she is murdered by their leader, General Zod.

Having barely survived his brutal battle with the Phantom Zone Criminals, the heart-broken Superman decides to leave Earth to search for the remains of Krypton to see if anyone else survived its destruction.

This odyssey through the universe takes many decades, but Superman finally realises he is alone, the Last Son of Krypton. Upon his return to Earth, he meets a feisty young reporter named Lois Lane and decides to join her at the Daily Planet in the guise of Clark Kent, the grandson of a well regarded, if mild-mannered reporter who'd worked at the Planet's earlier incarnation during the forties.

Superman's return starts another super-heroic age, he soon befriends Batman, helps form the Justice League and makes a lifelong enemy of cunning billionaire and genius, Lex Luthor, CEO of Lexcorp and the secret criminal mastermind behind half the illegal activities operating throughout most of the Western world.

This version of Superman is indeed a god, an immortal being from the stars sent down to Earth from a heavenly world of wonders, moments before its destruction. And while he desperately wants to be human, he never can be. He will always be an outsider. An alien. Clark Kent is as much a disguise as Superman is. The truth is somewhere in between. But, despite the sadness and loneliness that is within him, it is balanced out by his sense of whimsy and overwhelming desire to do good.

The costume is the same, but I'd use the Alex Ross redesign of the S-sheild, but with yellow instead of black.

That's how I think the character should be done, anyways...

[Deskad]

In Superman "up,up and away" storyline they did the 3d 's' design. I thought that was interesting.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I'm not an artist but if it were up to me to change his suit I would

1.Make the suit darker(kinda like SR)
2.Lose the undies and make a design from blue to red(where the undies used to be)
3.Make his hair longer(not a mullet though)
4.Make the S not too small but not too large(the S would pop out like in SR)
5. Don't really need a S on the cape
6.Long cape
7.Kinda like it when there is black instead of yellow
8.Superman has to be bigger than Routh

IF IT WERE REALLY REALLY UP TO ME

I would make Superman wear Connor's version(jeans,belt,black shirt with a "S"

OTHER CHANGES

It would be cool if he flew without his arms in front of him.....

I like when Clark stands up for himself(like the last issue with Jeffrey the Action Bulletin Guy)

Interesting. But you sure you'd like to see Superman using a Conner-like outfit? That, IMO, wouldn't make him any good. Agreed on the longer cape and the S shield.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Well, if I had my druthers, Superman would, once again, be the original superhero of the DC Universe, following the template that Alan Moore quite brilliantly laid out with his Supreme work.

The long and short of it is that Superman first appeared in the late 1930s as America was struggling out of the Great Depression. He inspired others to don colorful costumes and follow his example, eventually helping form the Justice Society. The great love of his life during this period was his childhood sweetheart, Lana Lang, who'd moved from Smallville to Metropolis to become a reporter for the Daily Star.

Shortly after the end of World War 2, Superman finally learns about his Kryptonian heritage from three survivors of his dead homeworld, who had saved themselves by projecting themselves into a dimension called the Phantom Zone. However, when Lana Lang discovers these Kryptonians are actually criminals banished from Krypton by Superman's birth father, she is murdered by their leader, General Zod.

Having barely survived his brutal battle with the Phantom Zone Criminals, the heart-broken Superman decides to leave Earth to search for the remains of Krypton to see if anyone else survived its destruction.

This odyssey through the universe takes many decades, but Superman finally realises he is alone, the Last Son of Krypton. Upon his return to Earth, he meets a feisty young reporter named Lois Lane and decides to join her at the Daily Planet in the guise of Clark Kent, the grandson of a well regarded, if mild-mannered reporter who'd worked at the Planet's earlier incarnation during the forties.

Superman's return starts another super-heroic age, he soon befriends Batman, helps form the Justice League and makes a lifelong enemy of cunning billionaire and genius, Lex Luthor, CEO of Lexcorp and the secret criminal mastermind behind half the illegal activities operating throughout most of the Western world.

This version of Superman is indeed a god, an immortal being from the stars sent down to Earth from a heavenly world of wonders, moments before its destruction. And while he desperately wants to be human, he never can be. He will always be an outsider. An alien. Clark Kent is as much a disguise as Superman is. The truth is somewhere in between. But, despite the sadness and loneliness that is within him, it is balanced out by his sense of whimsy and overwhelming desire to do good.

The costume is the same, but I'd use the Alex Ross redesign of the S-sheild, but with yellow instead of black.

That's how I think the character should be done, anyways...

WHOA!!!

And here I wonder why the never-ending forum doesn't get visited often! You should develop your idea. Count me in already among your readers.

Excellent, man. Excellent. The idea of having Big Blue first appearing during the '30s, disappearing and then reappearing in the '90s-'00s is just too cool.

[Joe Acro]

Well, if I had my druthers, Superman would, once again, be the original superhero of the DC Universe, following the template that Alan Moore quite brilliantly laid out with his Supreme work.

The long and short of it is that Superman first appeared in the late 1930s as America was struggling out of the Great Depression. He inspired others to don colorful costumes and follow his example, eventually helping form the Justice Society. The great love of his life during this period was his childhood sweetheart, Lana Lang, who'd moved from Smallville to Metropolis to become a reporter for the Daily Star.

Shortly after the end of World War 2, Superman finally learns about his Kryptonian heritage from three survivors of his dead homeworld, who had saved themselves by projecting themselves into a dimension called the Phantom Zone. However, when Lana Lang discovers these Kryptonians are actually criminals banished from Krypton by Superman's birth father, she is murdered by their leader, General Zod.

Having barely survived his brutal battle with the Phantom Zone Criminals, the heart-broken Superman decides to leave Earth to search for the remains of Krypton to see if anyone else survived its destruction.

This odyssey through the universe takes many decades, but Superman finally realises he is alone, the Last Son of Krypton. Upon his return to Earth, he meets a feisty young reporter named Lois Lane and decides to join her at the Daily Planet in the guise of Clark Kent, the grandson of a well regarded, if mild-mannered reporter who'd worked at the Planet's earlier incarnation during the forties.

Superman's return starts another super-heroic age, he soon befriends Batman, helps form the Justice League and makes a lifelong enemy of cunning billionaire and genius, Lex Luthor, CEO of Lexcorp and the secret criminal mastermind behind half the illegal activities operating throughout most of the Western world.

This version of Superman is indeed a god, an immortal being from the stars sent down to Earth from a heavenly world of wonders, moments before its destruction. And while he desperately wants to be human, he never can be. He will always be an outsider. An alien. Clark Kent is as much a disguise as Superman is. The truth is somewhere in between. But, despite the sadness and loneliness that is within him, it is balanced out by his sense of whimsy and overwhelming desire to do good.

The costume is the same, but I'd use the Alex Ross redesign of the S-sheild, but with yellow instead of black.

That's how I think the character should be done, anyways...Towards the middle, I was thinking Superman Returns. Adjust a couple of details, and its the same thing. Mix in the modern comic book Superman, merging him with Earth-2's, and you have your story. Sounds to me, though, that Clark's love life has been obliterated. From the sounds of it, he doesn't look much, if any, older than when he left for space. That's one long-lived Superman.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Towards the middle, I was thinking Superman Returns. Adjust a couple of details, and its the same thing. Mix in the modern comic book Superman, merging him with Earth-2's, and you have your story. Sounds to me, though, that Clark's love life has been obliterated. From the sounds of it, he doesn't look much, if any, older than when he left for space. That's one long-lived Superman.

Aside from the idea that Superman left Earth for a time to search for Kryptonian survivors, how is this the same as Superman Returns with a couple details adjusted? There's no Lois yet, there's no Luthor yet, there's no Jason yet. There's no giant crystal continent. There's no James Marsten. Like I said, my story takes its que from Alan Moore's Supreme, not anything Singer came up with.

Superman's love life is obliterated at the end of the Golden Age, but it is rekindled at the start of the Silver Age when he meets Lois. I think Superman works very well when the love story is one of the biggest elements. Part of the reason I think Superman wants to be human is because of his love for a human woman.

I don't buy the idea that an alien powered by the sun would age like we do, if at all. The gray hair of the Earth-2 version just seemed like a way to differentiate the two characters visually. Otherwise, I don't see any reason for Superman to look any older once he's reached adulthood. Why would a man able to withstand the force of an atomic bomb get wrinkles after a few measley decades? A few centuries? Maybe. Decades, however, should be nothing for a being that powerful.

I was attempting to merge the original and modern versions of Superman though. I don't really think that having Superman be a johnny come lately to the superhero world works. He kinda has to be the first of the his kind.

[Joe Acro]

Aside from the idea that Superman left Earth for a time to search for Kryptonian survivors, how is this the same as Superman Returns with a couple details adjusted? There's no Lois yet, there's no Luthor yet, there's no Jason yet. There's no giant crystal continent. There's no James Marsten. Like I said, my story takes its que from Alan Moore's Supreme, not anything Singer came up with.
Well, part of it just seemed to parallel Singer's vision of Superman fighting the three Kryptonians and then traveling into space to find the remains of Krypton. He then returns, all but forgotten, and must start over, almost anew. The world has moved on without him. The Cold War is over. The JSA is no more. Maybe the Daily Planet is a bigger paper than the Daily Star. That portion just seemed similar to me.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Bored´s idea could definitelly work and I like the iconic aspect it add to big blue.
He´s not a little kansas farmboy who Batman belittles every 5 seconds, he´s an inspirational figure that has been with mankind for a long time.
And the tragedy aspects are handled masterfully.

DEFINITELLY better than what we´ve got today.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Aside from the idea that Superman left Earth for a time to search for Kryptonian survivors, how is this the same as Superman Returns with a couple details adjusted? There's no Lois yet, there's no Luthor yet, there's no Jason yet. There's no giant crystal continent. There's no James Marsten. Like I said, my story takes its que from Alan Moore's Supreme, not anything Singer came up with.

Superman's love life is obliterated at the end of the Golden Age, but it is rekindled at the start of the Silver Age when he meets Lois. I think Superman works very well when the love story is one of the biggest elements. Part of the reason I think Superman wants to be human is because of his love for a human woman.

Perhaps you're right on this one. His love for a human woman could be the only thing strong enough to make him give up his Kryptonian heritage.

I don't buy the idea that an alien powered by the sun would age like we do, if at all. The gray hair of the Earth-2 version just seemed like a way to differentiate the two characters visually. Otherwise, I don't see any reason for Superman to look any older once he's reached adulthood. Why would a man able to withstand the force of an atomic bomb get wrinkles after a few measley decades? A few centuries? Maybe. Decades, however, should be nothing for a being that powerful.

And not even centuries, IMO. Superman is immortal, period.

I was attempting to merge the original and modern versions of Superman though. I don't really think that having Superman be a johnny come lately to the superhero world works. He kinda has to be the first of the his kind.

And a great attempt at that.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Well, part of it just seemed to parallel Singer's vision of Superman fighting the three Kryptonians and then traveling into space to find the remains of Krypton. He then returns, all but forgotten, and must start over, almost anew. The world has moved on without him. The Cold War is over. The JSA is no more. Maybe the Daily Planet is a bigger paper than the Daily Star. That portion just seemed similar to me.

Just wanted to point out, on a side note, that reading your sig made me remember about Pooowwwwdeeered Toooaaaast Maaaaaaaan!

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Bored´s idea could definitelly work and I like the iconic aspect it add to big blue.
He´s not a little kansas farmboy who Batman belittles every 5 seconds, he´s an inspirational figure that has been with mankind for a long time.
And the tragedy aspects are handled masterfully.

DEFINITELLY better than what we´ve got today.

I was kinda hoping that this is the approach DC was gonna take with Superman after Infinite Crisis, but they decided to stick largely with the same version they'd had prior to Crisis.

I guess they really wanted to keep the Kents, Lana and Pete around as contemporary characters and also wanted to keep the idea of the Clark/Lex childhood friendship, none of which would work with Moore's Golden/Silver Age combo idea from Supreme.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I was kinda hoping that this is the approach DC was gonna take with Superman after Infinite Crisis, but they decided to stick largely with the same version they'd had prior to Crisis.

I guess they really wanted to keep the Kents, Lana and Pete around as contemporary characters and also wanted to keep the idea of the Clark/Lex childhood friendship, none of which would work with Moore's Golden/Silver Age combo idea from Supreme.

Hmmm... I'll have to read that Supreme thingy one of these days.

I was hoping that DC would make some changes, given the window that Infinite Crisis opened, but it wasn't the case. We'll have to see what happens in Superman Confidential.