Superman in the Obsidian Age arc???

[The Phenomenol]

What do you guys think about Superman getting BEATEN to death in the Obsidian Age? Also what is up with him getting handled by Magical Crows so easily??

To tell you the truth I did not like the Obsidian Age! Why has Post-Crisis Superman been so weak lately? I think they need to increase his powers I mean this guy has died more times than I can count...:confused:

Any thoughts...

[dancj]

Superman being beaten to death is the least of my problems with that terrible story

[shyguy]

Superman dying wasn't the important part of the story, so I'm not really that concerned with how it happened. I just assumed that the big golem guy was really really strong and left it at that.

It's really just a trivial part of the story.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

What do you guys think about Superman getting BEATEN to death in the Obsidian Age? Also what is up with him getting handled by Magical Crows so easily??

To tell you the truth I did not like the Obsidian Age! Why has Post-Crisis Superman been so weak lately? I think they need to increase his powers I mean this guy has died more times than I can count...:confused:

Any thoughts...

Hmmmm... Haven't read it, and now I never will.

It's annoying when a demi-god is beaten to death (hell, being beaten alone is extremely annoying) due to PIS/CIS, or a bad handling of the character.

[Nate Grey]

What do you guys think about Superman getting BEATEN to death in the Obsidian Age? Also what is up with him getting handled by Magical Crows so easily??

What do you think about Superman and the rest of the heroes getting beaten and dying being the whole point of the arc?

[The Phenomenol]

What do you think about Superman and the rest of the heroes getting beaten and dying being the whole point of the arc?

Very true, all of the heroes died!!! But the most shocking was how Superman died, I mean the guy was BEATEN to Death by a Golem and that is not suppose to happen to Superman. I can only remember when Doomsday gave him that type of beating.

How many times has Supes died including JLA? 3 times at least if you count JLA Rock of Ages.:confused:

[lonewolf23k]

Last I checked, wasn't Superman vulnerable to magic? So, to me, him getting beaten up by a brutal, magical being kinda works.

[The Phenomenol]

Last I checked, wasn't Superman vulnerable to magic? So, to me, him getting beaten up by a brutal, magical being kinda works.

I don't think the Golem was magic, the Crowxs he fought in the Obsidian Age was magic but not the beast who killed him.:confused:

[shyguy]

How do you have a non-magical golem?

[The Phenomenol]

How do you have a non-magical golem?

Don't know nothing about him being magic was stated.:confused:

[marshal99]

Isn't a golem a magical being by nature ?

[The Phenomenol]

Well I don't think so, you have to use magic to awaken a Golem but none of their abilities are magic. Golems seem to be Super Strong.

[Nate Grey]

Magic is what animates a golem, it doesn't go away once you create the golem. And I got the impression that thing was some sort of fallen angel anyway. My issues of The Obsidian Age are in storage so I'm probably wrong.

[The Phenomenol]

Could anyone post the scan of Superman getting beaten to death in Obsidian age?

[ScottDMSimmons]

Not an interior page, but here we go with a face-off...

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/news/images/dc200210/jla74.jpg

[PatrickG]

Actually... If you go by the lore, well...

Removing the "magick" from the golem renders it lifeless. But it may be necessary to keep it from developing a soul.

[The Phenomenol]

Not an interior page, but here we go with a face-off...

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/news/images/dc200210/jla74.jpg

What about the fight with Superman Vs. the Golem! Actually showing the Golem BEAT Superman to death?

[Zanku]

what is the big fascination with superman getting beat to death?

[The Phenomenol]

what is the big fascination with superman getting beat to death?

Their is no fascination, I am just trying to confirm this with others because they don't believe that it ever happened.

[Zanku]

Point them to the death of superman arc as well.

[The Phenomenol]

Ignorant fanboys won't listen, they don't even believe that. Doom, Gog they don't want to hear it.

[OverMaster]

To tell you the truth I did not like the Obsidian Age! Why has Post-Crisis Superman been so weak lately? I think they need to increase his powers I mean this guy has died more times than I can count...:confused:

I actually prefer a weaker Supes a la Timmverse than a Pre Crisis-like piece of bore who is rarely in danger at all because he's way too uberpowerful.

[Nate Grey]

Their is no fascination, I am just trying to confirm this with others because they don't believe that it ever happened.

Really. If this is actually the case, tell them to go to the damn comic store. Its only about two years old it shouldn't be that hard to find. Why is it your job to convince them something happened when they can see it firsthand for themselves? If they think it SHOULD have happened that's another story, but THAT it happened? Tell them to look for themselves.

[Joe Acro]

I actually prefer a weaker Supes a la Timmverse than a Pre Crisis-like piece of bore who is rarely in danger at all because he's way too uberpowerful.
I don't know about a Timmeverse, whatever that is, but I agree with everything else.

What do you think about Superman and the rest of the heroes getting beaten and dying being the whole point of the arc?Plastic was alive, albeit in several tiny parts.

[Nate Grey]

I don't know about a Timmeverse, whatever that is, but I agree with everything else.

Plastic was alive, albeit in several tiny parts.

Yes, and was incapacitated for several millennia because of it. So while he didn't die like the rest, he was still rendered defeated.

I read it. I have it. I know. :) I'm just curious, though: the thread starter first said he didn't like the idea that Superman was beaten to death, then said he's really discussing it because friends of his didn't beleive it. I'm just wondering which is which. Either way, JLA was about...the JLA. Not Superman, but the JLA. The story would have probably been different if it was in the pages of Superman's comic, but...it wasn't. They had to face that story as a team, not as Superman plus a bunch of guest stars.

[Syphre Zero]

I have to call attention to a couple facts surrounding the beat-down in question. When the Justice League took on the League of Ancients, Superman squared off against Angel, the gray guy you see in the previous picture. Doug Mahnke's pencil notes are included in Book One of the Obsidian Age trade, and provide this (verbatim) character description for Angel:

"ANGEL - An ALIEN from space who fell to Earth and was found by a Jewish sect which studied the Kabalah, the mystical Jewish text. They raised the alien as if it were an "Earthbound angel." The ALIEN, despite his monstrous appearance, is intelligent, caring, and believes deeply in the Jewish faith. POWERS: I'm thinking that he's a powerhouse of the group, sort of a smart "Doomsday." If we layer him in those "Kryptonian Crystals," it will add all manner of speculation as to his origin, but it's not at all mandatory. I WOULD, however, like to see him wear some form of ROBES that might come from a Rabbi, and I'd like to see HEBREW WORDS painted on his body. He can also have WINGS."

Superman apparently met his end at the hands of Angel, in a sparring match that took them around the world. We see a beaten Man of Steel laying on the ground just after Rama Khan detonates a huge fireball; the next we see of Big Blue is his dead body skewered on a pike a few pages later. Since Angel dealt him most of the damage, I think it's safe to give him credit for taking Superman down; however, Angel is billed as an alien with no magical properties alluded to in any way. Rather, it seems more like the Doomsday fight redux.

I think part of the confusion comes from some of you referring to Angel as the "Golem," while others are thinking of the Quagmire spell of Gamemnae (which presents as a magical living construct of flesh and/or earthlike material). Gamemnae was occupied with other members of the Justice League during the fight and at no point on panel even touched Superman; also, the Quagmire did not come into play with the classic League until the final battle. In sum, Supes lost a regular knuckle-brawl with an alien - the "vulnerable to magic" explanation applies to the crows, but not ultimately to his defeat.

Does that clear things up, or have I only muddied the waters even further?

(Aside: I liked the Obsidian Age, for a fair number of reasons. Many people seem to really hate it, I'm not sure I'll ever understand why.)

[The Phenomenol]

Yes you cleared some things up and Thankyou!!!

[Nate Grey]

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Wow, all that was cool, I didn't know that about Angel. I knew he wasn't a golem, but for some reason I thought he was an angel from an alien pantheon or something. Now that I know all that, I don't know...I think an Angel series or one-shot might work.

[Syphre Zero]

Wow, all that was cool, I didn't know that about Angel. I knew he wasn't a golem, but for some reason I thought he was an angel from an alien pantheon or something. Now that I know all that, I don't know...I think an Angel series or one-shot might work.
The League of Ancients was a well-thought-out group; I'd love to see an origin miniseries for those characters. It's kinda hard to believe that everything conceived in the Obsidian Age came from one man daring to do the unthinkable: bringing the Super Friends' Apache Chief into continuity. That's no joke.

[Nate Grey]

The League of Ancients was a well-thought-out group; I'd love to see an origin miniseries for those characters. It's kinda hard to believe that everything conceived in the Obsidian Age came from one man daring to do the unthinkable: bringing the Super Friends' Apache Chief into continuity. That's no joke.

Oh I know. And I LOVED Manitou Raven. I hate that he's technically no more and Dawn Raven, IMO, is not a good stand-in. :(

[Cyke]

Wow, the one enemy that plays up on Superman's weaknesses to a perfect-T, the one enemy that really should have what it takes to kill Superman... and people are mad about that?!

C'mon now, a guy with all of Superman's powers plus magic and actual reinforcement from a major religion, vs. a lone Superman... I plead for logic in this case. Hell, the enemy-in-question wasn't even evil in this case, simply mislead, and Superman recognized the honor in him.

[OverMaster]

I don't know about a Timmeverse, whatever that is, but I agree with everything else.

Timmverse is simply the term used to talk about Bruce Timm's animated series universe.