52 in the Marvel Universe

[Nick Kal]

If Marvel did a 52 type series after Civil War or something, what would you like the story to focus on and who would you like to see as the main characters?

I'd go for:

Nick Fury - still not head of SHIELD

Black Panther & Storm (Though just Storm preferably)

Dr. Doom

Speedball

Hank Pym

[Doombot330]

I don't know if Marvel will do a 52. It would be such an obvious rip-off that I'd have a hard time stomaching it. But if they did I like those characters, well except for Hank pym, maybe daredevil instead.

[Beast]

I think an Anthology book, similar in style to the Spider-Man and X-Men Unlimited books would be the best bet here. Just a book that doesn't focus on just one group or character, but tells small vignettes focusing on a variety of characters from all over the Marvel Universe. Mostly downtime or personal character development stories that take place between or outside the big events.

[Adem]

I think those are too high profile characters. The first four are A-list and the last two are B-list. With Speedball getting a lot of attention in Civil War I might even say he is A-list. Anyways I think the idea works better with lesser known characters. If it was a series spinning out of Civil War I'd like it to be a way to see how Civil War has effected the country. Maybe as seen through the eyes of SHIELD agents.

[Nick Kal]

I think those are too high profile characters. The first four are A-list and the last two are B-list. With Speedball getting a lot of attention in Civil War I might even say he is A-list. Anyways I think the idea works better with lesser known characters. If it was a series spinning out of Civil War I'd like it to be a way to see how Civil War has effected the country. Maybe as seen through the eyes of SHIELD agents.

I was thinking of a series focused on SHIELD and how the new MU works after Civil War...

I disagree that Nick Fury or Speedball are too big... Speedball is like the new Elongated Man after Identity Crisis to me. Fury is like Booster Gold, Black Panther and Storm would be a good way to have bigger characters involved and they could continue that tour thing that will start in BP #19 (Sort of like Renee & Question travelling), and Pym would be interesting as the Steel, lab type character... then 1 villain, the villain, Doom back from Hell.

[Doombot330]

A book about the post CW shield agents would be really cool. Especially if the SHRA stays in place and there are still Cape Killers or whatever they call em.

[Adem]

I disagree that Nick Fury or Speedball are too big... Speedball is like the new Elongated Man after Identity Crisis to me. Fury is like Booster Gold, Black Panther and Storm would be a good way to have bigger characters involved and they could continue that tour thing that will start in BP #19 (Sort of like Renee & Question travelling), and Pym would be interesting as the Steel, lab type character... then 1 villain, the villain, Doom back from Hell.

Ya, but you see they are too similar to the 52 cast. If you want to rip off someone else’s idea you have to make it subtle. The fans will notice right away that
Doom=Black Adam
Hank Pym=Steel
Black Panther & Storm=Renee & Question
They’ll grow bored and probably not even give the title a chance. Your best bet is to give them something new and shiny.

[Nick Kal]

Ya, but you see they are too similar to the 52 cast. If you want to rip off someone else’s idea you have to make it subtle. The fans will notice right away that
Doom=Black Adam
Hank Pym=Steel
Black Panther & Storm=Renee & Question
They’ll grow bored and probably not even give the title a chance. Your best bet is to give them something new and shiny.

I was just relating the characters.. they're completely different and the way they handled the situations, as well as the situations themselves, would be completely different.

[Adem]

I was just relating the characters.. they're completely different and the way they handled the situations, as well as the situations themselves, would be completely different.

Of course some things would be different as this is the Marvel universe and the series would launch from a different event. Still the cast feels a little to much like the 52 cast. Thats just me though. So how would you explain Black Panther being in this series and his own. One year jump?

[Nick Kal]

Of course some things would be different as this is the Marvel universe and the series would launch from a different event. Still the cast feels a little to much like the 52 cast. Thats just me though. So how would you explain Black Panther being in this series and his own. One year jump?

I'd cancel Black Panther. :p

[Beast]

I'd cancel Black Panther. :p
You and most of Black Panther and Storm's fans.

[Kevinroc]

Writers: Brian Bendis, Ed Brubaker, Dan Slott, Greg Pak.

Artists: John Romita Jr., Mike Deodato Jr., Jorge Lucas, Lee Weeks, Scott Kolins, and more.

Covers: Adi Granov.

Heroes.

Nova (Post-Annihilation): Space adventures. Showcasing the cosmic landscape of the Marvel U.

Black Bolt & Medusa: Foreign relations.

Nick Fury: SHIELD goings-on (even if he is not heading SHIELD)

Gravity: Super heroes world, post-CW.

There ya go. I'd rather keep the focus a little less. One of the problems I have with 52 is that I feel the story focuses on too many characters and tells their story. I'd rather have fewer characters to keep the stories focus. We'd still have appearances by The Hulk, The Avengers, The Fantastic Four, The Silver Surfer and all those characters but these characters would give us a little more focus on the main characters.

[Nick Kal]

Writers: Brian Bendis, Ed Brubaker, Dan Slott, Greg Pak.

Artists: John Romita Jr., Mike Deodato Jr., Jorge Lucas, Lee Weeks, Scott Kolins, and more.

Covers: Adi Granov.

Heroes.

Nova (Post-Annihilation): Space adventures. Showcasing the cosmic landscape of the Marvel U.

Black Bolt & Medusa: Foreign relations.

Nick Fury: SHIELD goings-on (even if he is not heading SHIELD)

Gravity: Super heroes world, post-CW.

There ya go. I'd rather keep the focus a little less. One of the problems I have with 52 is that I feel the story focuses on too many characters and tells their story. I'd rather have fewer characters to keep the stories focus. We'd still have appearances by The Hulk, The Avengers, The Fantastic Four, The Silver Surfer and all those characters but these characters would give us a little more focus on the main characters.

I considered Black Bolt & Medusa as opposed to Storm & BP... and that'd clear up them having their own title anyway.

However, for writers... I'd go with Ed Brubaker, Mark Millar, Brian Bendis, Dan Slott & Robert Kirkman...

[Nick Kal]

Also, while I understand your criticism of 52, you have to realize that this is all just set up until all of these stories merge into 1 big one. Giffen said it himself. I think they know what they're doing.

[Wild Card13]

I would personally use:

Daisy Johnson
Jessica Jones
Speedball
Sentinel Squad O*N*E*
Agent X
Kingpin
Jamie Madrox

Story threads:

Daisy Johnson-There are rotten happenings at SHIELD, and the only semblance of control Nick Fury has left is in the form of Daisy Johnson. Lethal and loyal, she has immersed herself so deep in Maria Hill's regime that she's almost become integral to the works. The corruption is becoming more and more apparent, and even as Daisy begins to engineer things for the return of Nick Fury, she finds she might be in for the struggle of her life...

Jessica Jones-Still living in Canada with her child, Jessica's worried sick about how Luke's doing down in America. But she has problems of her own, as Maria Hill sees Jessica's desertion as a personal insult. Illegal as it is, she's begun activating sleeper agents in Canada in an attempt to coax Jessica back to America. How? By making her life a living hell, at all costs. And perhaps, if all goes well, they might be able to draw Luke Cage out of hiding...

Speedball-Repowered and hoping for redemption, Speedball has become New York City's pre-eminent protector overnight. And yet, something's not quite right to him. At some level, he knows the Speedball from a year ago wouldn't be impressed with how he's turned out, and it doesn't sit right with him...

Sentinel Squad O*N*E*-The 198 are under control once more, with the worst of the Civil War having come to pass. The X-Men are now forced to cooperate completely with O*N*E*, under the watchful eye of Bishop. But while the X-Men are occupied trying to contain the problems being caused by a resurgent Magneto or stopping Vulcan from destroying the Shi'Ar empire, a new threat is looming for the students, a threat that only O*N*E* is left to stand against. Someone evil. Someone conniving. Someone...sinister...

Agent X-With Deadpool, Bullseye, and Taskmaster all being tied up in running various errands, there's one major player still on the merc market-that's right, none other than Alex Hayden, aka Agent X! The other merc with a mouth finds himself hired by a mysterious client to perform several jobs, among them the "collection" of several supervillains and the retrieval of certain key items. But when the whole agenda is complete, what happens to Agent X? And is it really in his best interests for this plan to come to fruition?

Kingpin-Wilson Fisk was taken down, and taken down hard, by one man: Matt Murdock, aka Daredevil. But now Daredevil's missing, and someone's jumping around Hell's Kitchen that isn't really Daredevil. Eventually, Fisk decides the time is right to engineer his comeback. He begins putting pieces in place to allow him out of prison, shrug off all the charges against him, and even regain all his old wealth and contacts. The Kingpin is set to come back, and in a big way...

Jamie Madrox-X-Factor Investigations has enough on its plate with all the various cases being handled by them, but there's another x-factor in the equation now: Quicksilver, who's set up shop in Mutant Town restoring the powers of victims of M-Day. But the re-powered ones are starting to cause problems. Reckless endangerment of others, destruction of property...some are even dying from their own restored powers. Madrox is not a cop, but he's the only one who can keep Mutant Town from falling apart.

[Kevinroc]

I considered Black Bolt & Medusa as opposed to Storm & BP... and that'd clear up them having their own title anyway.

However, for writers... I'd go with Ed Brubaker, Mark Millar, Brian Bendis, Dan Slott & Robert Kirkman...

Also, while I understand your criticism of 52, you have to realize that this is all just set up until all of these stories merge into 1 big one. Giffen said it himself. I think they know what they're doing.

Oh, I clearly recognize it is all set-up for all the stories to converge. But I think focusing on less characters would be stronger overall. I considered posting a hero for both the pro and anti-reg sides and following their stories but I felt that the weakness of 52 is that there are too many stories going on at once and so some stories move along at a glacial pace.

While I certainly understand why you would choose Storm and Panther, I chose Black Bolt and Medusa for a simple reason. They are much more pragmatic. Writers really don't show readers what Black Bolt is thinking and since BB does not speak (except for a very rare occasion), it would make The Inhumans more mysterious.

I chose 4 writers to mimick what DC was doing with 52. I was very close to selecting Kirkman but instead chose Pak. Planet Hulk has been very good. Pak has clearly thought about how Sakaar actually works. Given how hard he worked on defining Sakaar, I would think he could do a good job structering the post-Annihilation cosmic landscape.

I do like Millar's work but felt that Millar is not exactly the fastest writer in comics (neither is Slott and one slow writer is enough). And I feel Millar works best when he is the sole voice of a series. The first arc of Ultimate Fantastic Four was hardly his best work.

If I were to break it down...

Nova = Pak
Black Bolt & Medusa = Bendis
Nick Fury = Brubaker
Gravity = Slott

[Nick Kal]

Oh, I clearly recognize it is all set-up for all the stories to converge. But I think focusing on less characters would be stronger overall. I considered posting a hero for both the pro and anti-reg sides and following their stories but I felt that the weakness of 52 is that there are too many stories going on at once and so some stories move along at a glacial pace.

While I certainly understand why you would choose Storm and Panther, I chose Black Bolt and Medusa for a simple reason. They are much more pragmatic. Writers really don't show readers what Black Bolt is thinking and since BB does not speak (except for a very rare occasion), it would make The Inhumans more mysterious.

I chose 4 writers to mimick what DC was doing with 52. I was very close to selecting Kirkman but instead chose Pak. Planet Hulk has been very good. Pak has clearly thought about how Sakaar actually works. Given how hard he worked on defining Sakaar, I would think he could do a good job structering the post-Annihilation cosmic landscape.

I do like Millar's work but felt that Millar is not exactly the fastest writer in comics (neither is Slott and one slow writer is enough). And I feel Millar works best when he is the sole voice of a series. The first arc of Ultimate Fantastic Four was hardly his best work.

If I were to break it down...

Nova = Pak
Black Bolt & Medusa = Bendis
Nick Fury = Brubaker
Gravity = Slott


Think about this way... it's almost like 4 monthly titles in one. So Steel takes a break for 3 weeks and it's like he's in his own monthly title.

[Babylon23]

Interesting idea. Working on the b and c-list characters idea that DC is using, here is my lineup:

Gravity - As a MU newbie, he's the ideal POV character that readers can relate to.

original Deathlok - He's travelled from an alternate dimesion. I don't know why. I just love the character, so he's included. His reason for arriving here would probably be a major part of the story.

Hank Pym - Very much the Elongated Man character. He's been there almost since the beginning, and has seen it all. Slightly disillusioned, but trying to get his life in order.

Hawkeye - He's back from the dead and on the road again. He's trying to piece together everything that's happened to him in recent months. Depending on what occurs in the upcoming NA issue, he may be travelling with the Scarlet Witch.

Medusa - Something has happened to the Inhumans, and only Medusa remains. She's searching for her people, her missing husband, and answers.

And for my villain:

Taskmaster

My writing team would consist of Nicieza, Kirkman, Slott, Giffen and Brubaker.

[Effect]

I think those are too high profile characters. The first four are A-list and the last two are B-list. With Speedball getting a lot of attention in Civil War I might even say he is A-list. Anyways I think the idea works better with lesser known characters. If it was a series spinning out of Civil War I'd like it to be a way to see how Civil War has effected the country. Maybe as seen through the eyes of SHIELD agents.

Black Panther is a low B lister at best. At worse or norm, a C list character. Storm is the solid A list member of that pairing.

A list is the level of Spider-man, Wolverine, Storm, Cyclops, Prof. X, Iron Man, and Captain America to name a few. BP doesn't rank that high and never has from what I recall. Not even close.

[Kevinroc]

Think about this way... it's almost like 4 monthly titles in one. So Steel takes a break for 3 weeks and it's like he's in his own monthly title.

The problem is there are more than 4 stories being told. Which is why when I posted, I concentrated on four main stories.

Nova for the cosmic landscape.
Nick Fury for the underground/ spy stuff.
Black Bolt & Medusa for the political intrigue.
Gravity for pure super hero adventure.

No thoughts on how I structered this?

[Nick Kal]

The problem is there are more than 4 stories being told. Which is why when I posted, I concentrated on four main stories.

Nova for the cosmic landscape.
Nick Fury for the underground/ spy stuff.
Black Bolt & Medusa for the political intrigue.
Gravity for pure super hero adventure.

No thoughts on how I structered this?

No magical?

[Kevinroc]

No magical?

I thought about that, but with the exception of Dr. Strange (and I don't think Marvel would really not let anyone use Strange for a year), there isn't really a whole lot of magic in the Marvel Universe.

Yeah, I suppose you could throw an Asgardian or an Olympian or some such but that's not quite the same as Dr. Strange's forte.

So yeah, if you want magic, just have a Dr. Strange guest-appearance or something.

You notice I didn't do any mutant thing either, and mutants are more important to Marvel than magic. But that's probably because there are over 10 mutant related titles.

[slayer2005]

Here's my line-up:

Maria Hill - She's finally satisfied with the results of Civil War. That is, until a mysterious caller informs her that he/she will blow up a city. She scoffs at this thought until the caller successfully blows up the city. The caller challenges Hill to see if she really is an effective commander, as one blunder happens after another in her part. At the same time, the caller blackmails her regarding her shady past. Her only hope? Nick Fury. But who's playing who?

Hank Pym - It all began when his DNA structure has been mysteriously altered into a DNA of an ant. While struggling to find a cure, his relationship Janet turns for the worse. And the big surprise? Doctor Octopus may have the cure for his disease...if Hank is willing to do the doc's dirty deeds.

Namor - After the events of Civil War, Namor feels that it is time for the Atlanteans to crush the surface dwellers. And he has allies who can help his aid: Black Panter and Black Bolt. How will Doctor Doom play in his story?

Speedball - Guilty, degraded, depressed. Speedball tries to forget everything that happened that triggered Civil War. But when a future version of himself visits him and tells him that he can prevent the Stamford incident, Speedball decides to take a risk. But is the future version of himself a clear sign of hope or a foreshadowing of things to come?

Bishop - After the incident where he recalled his late sister Shard in "Civil War: X-Men", he realized how much he missed her. All is changed when he sees her walking in a corner one day. Is it a trick, a hallucination or for real? Is Bishop willing to sacrifice everything to bring back his beloved sister?

[Wild Card13]

I picked out my lineup to try and cover all the bases, and at the same time intersect. Jessica and Daisy's stories are heavily involved with SHIELD, and will cross over a lot. Agent X deals mostly with the criminal underworld, and so may or may not be seeing a lot of the Kingpin on his rise back to power. He'll also cross paths with SHIELD more than once. Sentinel Squad O*N*E*'s story has more in common with Madrox's than what would be obvious at first. And the common thread to all of them is Speedball. He'll show up in more or less every storyline that I thought up.

I also picked these characters and conceived these stories because of what I wanted to be the status quo OYL. As I see it, Kingpin will be back in power. Jessica Jones will be back in America, protected, since Nick Fury will be back in control of SHIELD. O*N*E* and the X-Men won't be so uneasy anymore, and Quicksilver will have departed Mutant Town.

I didn't include a mystical side to the story, either, because the only real mystics I can think of are Dr. Strange, Dr. Doom, the Scarlet Witch, and Agatha Harkness. Strange and Doom are too A-list compared to the rest of my lineup, Witchy's off somewhere, and Harkness is long dead.

[Cephus]

If they did that, I'd drop any Marvel titles involved, just like I did for all of DC. I am reading a title, I do not want them to skip ahead a year and expect me to buy an entirely new title to find out what happened during that year. I don't give a shit about the other stories and characters, I just want to read what I want to read.

[o1pickleboy]

I would do one based on New York. Since Iron Man's 50 state idea would radicaly change New York that is where you set the story from. Sorta like front lines just without the one sided bais and do more than reporters. Using all angles police, government, reporters, bystanders, and of course the hero.

[Bobster777]

She-Hulk (to look at the legal ramifications)

Inhumans (to get an outsiders pov)

Wasp (to see what the CW looks like through the eyes of an important Avenger, but has never really been in the forefront)

Cable (so we can get more insight on why he has chosen his position)

Peter Parker (not as Spidey, but just the man. I want to see how Pete feels about all this)

Jubilee (to get a perspective of someone who used to be a hero)

Dr. Strange (he can't stay neutral forever. I want to see what he does after the war)

Jarvis (like a lot of people have said, he would probably have one of the best viewpoints considering the history he has with the Avengers)

Angel (just to see how life is like for a high profile mutant after the war)

[BoosterBronze]

I would SO buy this comics.

from what you guys have said, my favoirte picks mentioned are

Gravity
Taskmaster
Jubilee
Dr. Doom
Hank Pym
Jarvis
Cable

[Atom_basher]

I thought about that, but with the exception of Dr. Strange (and I don't think Marvel would really not let anyone use Strange for a year), there isn't really a whole lot of magic in the Marvel Universe.

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Talisman, Shaman, Clea, Morgan Le Fey. im sure they could drudge somthing up. hell id be all for Talisman, she does have potential to be stranges level


My line up would be

Exodus
Talisman
Gravity
Namor
Quake
Karnak