We've Got Issues: An X-Posters' Thread

[Huzzah!]

Oh i got a gem for yous guys



http://comics.toonzone.net/solicitations/2003-05/marvel/phoenix1.jpg


" “Legacy of Fire” Part 1
Fantasy comes to the Marvel Mangaverse!
Sisters Jena and Madelyne Pyre give new meaning to the term “sibling rivalry”, never agreeing or cooperating on anything. But when the mysterious Sword of Limbo is stolen by a rival family, can Jena & Maddy put their differences aside to reclaim the family heirloom? Artist Ryan Kinnaird uniquely blends line art and 3-D CGI backgrounds to the sexiest Mangaverse adventure yet, in the tradition of In the tradition of Final Fantasy."


So what do you think?

Also i wonder if someone has tried to merge this into the phoenix mythos

[Tenebrae]

:eek:

What is that lady wearing??

Or, more to the point, what is she not wearing? Scary.

[For the Good of X]

I flipped through this in the comic shop, mainly from morbid curiosity, and found myself oddly offended by the presentation. The objectification was so...all consuming it almost seemed the point of the comic. I can't remember much of the plot and such - the anatomy shots were just too much.

[Huzzah!]

he draws pretty decent bodies, albeit overtly sexual


but look at those hands.

[mattbib]

I skipped this. I just found the cover images ridiculous and inappropriate. Was this rated for adults? I dont' recall.

[DrDoomX]

I remember this turd...I read this in the comic shop and man was it bad! It was some sort of fantasy like Phoenix manga style type of story, and man it was just bad! To be honest I donot think I finished it at the comic shop!

[LoneWolf21]

I remember it had _tons_ of fanservice.

[Huzzah!]

and how. I need to get the third.


and actually read the first 2. I wonder what its about

[LoneWolf21]

I don't even remember the plot, but it seemed like little more than excuse to move from one fanservice situation to another.

[DDM]

Oh i got a gem for yous guys



http://comics.toonzone.net/solicitations/2003-05/marvel/phoenix1.jpg


" “Legacy of Fire” Part 1
Fantasy comes to the Marvel Mangaverse!
Sisters Jena and Madelyne Pyre give new meaning to the term “sibling rivalry”, never agreeing or cooperating on anything. But when the mysterious Sword of Limbo is stolen by a rival family, can Jena & Maddy put their differences aside to reclaim the family heirloom? Artist Ryan Kinnaird uniquely blends line art and 3-D CGI backgrounds to the sexiest Mangaverse adventure yet, in the tradition of In the tradition of Final Fantasy."


So what do you think?

Also i wonder if someone has tried to merge this into the phoenix mythos


Marvel exploits "Jean Grey," "Madelyne Pryor" & Phoenix to published softcore anime porn. I skipped this series, although I usually buy anything related to Phoenix since the name is the only thing it shared with the Marvel Universe characters.

[Huzzah!]

the best thing about the cover is her g string thing is flapping over. Its like, you cant have more flesh on that cover, but the artist found a way. For that at least he should be commended

[xakko]

Did *anyone* who is a serious X-men fan buy this? I remember browsing it in the store, reading a page, then putting it down in disgust.

[Huzzah!]

right here. First two issues anyway. Need to get the third...because why not at this point

[LoneWolf21]

Boy it's been a bit, hasn't it? Well let's see if we can bring things slightly back on track...

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/genx/genxunderground.jpg

It's the Generation X underground special! This is sort of an anthology book, with all three stories with Jim Mahfood on art. The first is "Banshee's Angels" which well, is a homage to Charlie's Angels, with Jubilee, Paige, and M as the Angels, Banshee as Charlie, and Bishop even shows up in a cameo as a Huggy Bear-esque street informant (with afro!). The girls fight an army of robotic super pimps to rescue Artie and Leech. The next story involves Angelo and M involved in a duel of Space Invaders on an old Atari 2600 (Angelo wins...or does he?!), and the third has Jono being introspective and angsty. There's a lot more craziness throughout, including trading cards that can be cut out, a t-shirt design that can be cut out and printed, Jubilee's scarpbook, Mahfood's sketches, even a "Gen X vs the Beat Generation" Hostess Twinkie ad!

I totally loved this. Hilarious fun, cool artwork, and great energy. Who cares if it's in black and white?

[Frank]

Boy it's been a bit, hasn't it? Well let's see if we can bring things slightly back on track...

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/genx/genxunderground.jpg

It's the Generation X underground special! This is sort of an anthology book, with all three stories with Jim Mahfood on art. The first is "Banshee's Angels" which well, is a homage to Charlie's Angels, with Jubilee, Paige, and M as the Angels, Banshee as Charlie, and Bishop even shows up in a cameo as a Huggy Bear-esque street informant (with afro!). The girls fight an army of robotic super pimps to rescue Artie and Leech. The next story involves Angelo and M involved in a duel of Space Invaders on an old Atari 2600 (Angelo wins...or does he?!), and the third has Jono being introspective and angsty. There's a lot more craziness throughout, including trading cards that can be cut out, a t-shirt design that can be cut out and printed, Jubilee's scarpbook, Mahfood's sketches, even a "Gen X vs the Beat Generation" Hostess Twinkie ad!

I totally loved this. Hilarious fun, cool artwork, and great energy. Who cares if it's in black and white?

That looks excelent, i`ve never seen that before. It reminds me of Chris Bachalo`s great Gene-X run.

[LoneWolf21]

That looks excelent, i`ve never seen that before. It reminds me of Chris Bachalo`s great Gene-X run.

It's a load fun. I highlyreccomend it if you can find it. The copy I found was only 50 cents more than the cover price, which isn't half bad. A lot of neat references in it too.

and heck, who knew the power of raw funk could save the day? :)

[LoneWolf21]

Part 1 of an Excaliber trilogy!

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/excalibur/excalibur91.jpg

A summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1411

This is a pretty fun downtime issue. No softball games, just people relaxing at a bar (although Brian and Rahne aren't drinking anything alchoholic). The big coming out of Pryde/Wisdom too (Brian and Kurt's warning to Pete about how he should treat Kitty and the consequences therein are amusing) The subtitles given to a hammered Moira are a funny touch. And then there's Poitr waiting in the wings at the end....

[Jack Flash]

i completely loved Mahfood's Gen X Underground Special. It was seriously the most fun to be had in an X-book in the entire decade of the 90s. I need to dig that issue out. I remember wanting to buy two so I could give it to friends. No idea if I did or not though.

[LoneWolf21]

i completely loved Mahfood's Gen X Underground Special. It was seriously the most fun to be had in an X-book in the entire decade of the 90s. I need to dig that issue out. I remember wanting to buy two so I could give it to friends. No idea if I did or not though.

Yeah, that was one of my first thoughts when I read it, just how much _fun_ it was. It led me to pick up some of Mahfood's other work, Marvel and otherwise.

[Jack Flash]

Yeah, that was one of my first thoughts when I read it, just how much _fun_ it was. It led me to pick up some of Mahfood's other work, Marvel and otherwise.

Grrl Scouts and Stupid Comics are both great. There's also a Mahfood drawn Ultimate Team Up issue, that RoCKS SOCKS!

[LoneWolf21]

Grrl Scouts and Stupid Comics are both great. There's also a Mahfood drawn Ultimate Team Up issue, that RoCKS SOCKS!

I picked up a trade of Grrl Scouts,and I bought the 2nd Marvel team-up trade just for that Spidey/F4/Skrulls story, which just so excellent and fun. One of these days I'm actually going to cut out that Banshee's Angels thing out of an extra comic and get it screened to a t-shirt....

[Jack Flash]

I picked up a trade of Grrl Scouts,and I bought the 2nd Marvel team-up trade just for that Spidey/F4/Skrulls story, which just so excellent and fun. One of these days I'm actually going to cut out that Banshee's Angels thing out of an extra comic and get it screened to a t-shirt....

I so wanted to do the cut out thing too! I kinda fell head over feet for mahfood's art due to that underground issue.

[Dizzy D]

Grrl Scouts and Stupid Comics are both great. There's also a Mahfood drawn Ultimate Team Up issue, that RoCKS SOCKS!

Isn't this the same guy that did the Clerks comic? I have that one.

[LoneWolf21]

I so wanted to do the cut out thing too! I kinda fell head over feet for mahfood's art due to that underground issue.

Yeah, it's what introduced me to his work too. I was just blown away by it.


Isn't this the same guy that did the Clerks comic? I have that one.

Yes it is, actually. I had forgotten bout that until you reminded me.

[The Lucky One]

He also did that hilarious issue of Ultimate Team-Up where Spidey met the FF, the out-of-continuity issue. Think it was #11.

-D

[LoneWolf21]

He also did that hilarious issue of Ultimate Team-Up where Spidey met the FF, the out-of-continuity issue. Think it was #11.

-D

Yeah, we mentioned that a little earlier. Fun issue, that one.

Oh, and who knew people were more interested in Jim Mahfood than Warren Ellis? Maybe I oughta rethink that Excaliber trilogy ;)

[Dizzy D]

Yeah, we mentioned that a little earlier. Fun issue, that one.

Oh, and who knew people were more interested in Jim Mahfood than Warren Ellis? Maybe I oughta rethink that Excaliber trilogy ;)


Oh, I'm interested in Ellis as well.
It was a great issue of Excalibur for 1 reason: Moira's drunken rant. This is also where the new members of Excalibur really started to integrate with the rest of the team to form that unit they were when they faced Black Air in the following issues.

[LoneWolf21]

Oh, I'm interested in Ellis as well.
It was a great issue of Excalibur for 1 reason: Moira's drunken rant.

I always loved that part. The subtitles they gave her were a cute touch. I've even read that part aloud a few times, using the accent. It's a not half bd impression, or so I've been told.

[Dizzy D]

I always loved that part. The subtitles they gave her were a cute touch. I've even read that part aloud a few times, using the accent. It's a not half bd impression, or so I've been told.

The accent is pretty accurate from what I can judge (my knowledge of the Scottish accent is pretty much limited to a season of Chewin' the Fat on the BBC though.) Now if they only used the word "blootered" and it would have been perfect.

[LoneWolf21]

The accent is pretty accurate from what I can judge (my knowledge of the Scottish accent is pretty much limited to a season of Chewin' the Fat on the BBC though.) Now if they only used the word "blootered" and it would have been perfect.

Well Ellis is from around there, so I figure if an X-writer is going to get an accent from the British Isles down, he'd be one of them.

[xakko]

I liked the issue for the most part- "Brian, you drunk-proofed the plane?" or something like that, made me laugh.

I never cared for Wisdom. Kitty is like a sister to me and Wisdom is so not worthy of her. I would've been in the bathroom with Kurt and Brian, and I would've been more forceful.

Useless bloody toerag.

[LoneWolf21]

I liked the issue for the most part- "Brian, you drunk-proofed the plane?" or something like that, made me laugh.

I never cared for Wisdom. Kitty is like a sister to me and Wisdom is so not worthy of her. I would've been in the bathroom with Kurt and Brian, and I would've been more forceful.

Useless bloody toerag.

Hmmm maybe I shouldn't do the Wisdom vs Rasputin issue....

That said, I do think it's one of the better "down-time" x-issues I've read. It's even got a Ramones reference.

[xakko]

Hmmm maybe I shouldn't do the Wisdom vs Rasputin issue....

That said, I do think it's one of the better "down-time" x-issues I've read. It's even got a Ramones reference.

Heh... it is a funny, funny issue, especially the stuff with Rahne. Moira's drunk speech (and translation) were great too.

I think Excalibur #92 may be too controversial to do. Colossus fans find the characterization of Piotr just horrible, especially since he wasn't psycho in his appearances immediately preceding the issue. And Pryde-Wisdom fans use this as the reason to cast Colossus as a major jerk, at least according to the fanfic I've read.

[LoneWolf21]

Heh... it is a funny, funny issue, especially the stuff with Rahne. Moira's drunk speech (and translation) were great too.

I think Excalibur #92 may be too controversial to do. Colossus fans find the characterization of Piotr just horrible, especially since he wasn't psycho in his appearances immediately preceding the issue. And Pryde-Wisdom fans use this as the reason to cast Colossus as a major jerk, at least according to the fanfic I've read.

Yeah, I still remember one exchange between Kitty and Rahne over the latter's being worried about being in a bar, that went something like:

Kitty: (wryly smiling): Hey, Jesus drank.

Rahne: (looking unamused: Cheap shot.

Somethin like that. The point of it was that it was amusing.

I was undecided between #92 and another one, really. Basically, a little controversy makes for good conversation and discussion, too much controversy makes for flame wars. I think I've made my choice, so the "mystery issue" will be up for day three, and well, issue #2 will be up in a few hours.

[LoneWolf21]

Part 2 of the Excaliber trilogy

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/excalibur/excalibur93.jpg

A summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1445

This is a _huge_ issue for Rahne, and if you're a fan of her, you'll like this issue. She finally confronts Reverend Craig, and buries some troubles from her past. We also get the first real hint that Craig is her Father, which I believe was confirmed in the recent New Mutants/Academy X series. Also, the Wisdom bit in the beginning, where, wheelchair ridden and in a swimcap, he does an Xavier impression.

‘To me my X-Men! I sense danger! Make it so! Somebody get me a drink!’

Heh Heh.

[xakko]

Part 2 of the Excaliber trilogy

A summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1445

This is a _huge_ issue for Rahne, and if you're a fan of her, you'll like this issue. She finally confronts Reverend Craig, and buries some troubles from her past. We also get the first real hint that Craig is her Father, which I believe was confirmed in the recent New Mutants/Academy X series. Also, the Wisdom bit in the beginning, where, wheelchair ridden and in a swimcap, he does an Xavier impression.

‘To me my X-Men! I sense danger! Make it so! Somebody get me a drink!’

Heh Heh.

I loved the end of this issue. Rahne grows up, beats down Reverend Craig. The beginning stuff with Wisdom was pretty funny, but I was a little concerned with the sudden elevation of Meggan's power level.

It's hard to see the Rahne from here going all ga-ga over a gold kid with a healing touch. I suppose the loss of Moira and her powers might've caused a bit of emotional regression, but the self confidence shown here is definitely reflected in her taking down of Avalanche...

Nice segue past #92...

[LoneWolf21]

I loved the end of this issue. Rahne grows up, beats down Reverend Craig. The beginning stuff with Wisdom was pretty funny, but I was a little concerned with the sudden elevation of Meggan's power level.

It's hard to see the Rahne from here going all ga-ga over a gold kid with a healing touch. I suppose the loss of Moira and her powers might've caused a bit of emotional regression, but the self confidence shown here is definitely reflected in her taking down of Avalanche...

Nice segue past #92...

I had very little experience at the time when I first read the issue, so the power uppage didn't really raise an eyebrow, but it does seem like every writer has a different take on her. The Rahne/Craig confrontation was a long time coming, and I think Ellis handled it very well myself. Strong, powerful, and moved Rahne forward.

I think the new look and acting out was in part a defense mechanism on her part because of all that happened. Not really sure compltely on her motivation re: Josh, but oh well. It was pretty sweet seeing her take down Avalanche in style though.

Eh, I figured #92 just wasn't going to lend itself towards real fun discussions.

[LoneWolf21]

The Excaliber trilogy finale.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/excalibur/excalibur8.jpg

Summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=2132

The fallout from Inferno for the Excaliber squad. Interesting look at Brian and Meggan's powers, although persnally, I thought Kitty came across rather whiny and bratty in the mansion scene, although it was good to finally see a reaction from her about Doug's death (if she had one before then, I don't know). Also, is it just me, or are the two guys Meggan's looking at resemble David Letterman and Marvel editor/writer Tom DeFalco?

[Headhunter]

And we'll start with Uncanny X-Men #305. You can find a synopsis here (http://www.chronology.net/default.pl/cited/rd_uncannyxmen/3).
http://image2.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/large/97792366288.305.gif (http://milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=fullsize&issue=97792366288%20305)
This issue really played with morality and ethics. For the first time ever, that I can recall, we see an X-Man question Xavier and even suggest the possibility of having been mentally coerced to join the X-Men and follow Xavier's goals.
Great idea, but the speech (I took it out of the quote for brevity) is so ham handed. The editors really should have stepped in and trimmed it down...

[xakko]

The Excaliber trilogy finale.

Summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=2132

The fallout from Inferno for the Excaliber squad. Interesting look at Brian and Meggan's powers, although persnally, I thought Kitty came across rather whiny and bratty in the mansion scene, although it was good to finally see a reaction from her about Doug's death (if she had one before then, I don't know). Also, is it just me, or are the two guys Meggan's looking at resemble David Letterman and Marvel editor/writer Tom DeFalco?

The Kitty story was poorly done- but the sentiments were right. I'm sure she had a lot of animosity towards the New Mutants over Ramsey's death, but she didn't need to be written quite so childishly. I would've expected one of the patented "Kitty speeches"- I think she would've rehearsed one in case she ran into the X-babies again, and what was written down just didn't cut it.


The introspective into Brian's and Meggan's powers, on the other hand, I rather liked. Meggan was differentiated from a hanger-on, and Brian showed some loss of confidence that didn't involve hitting the bottle

[LoneWolf21]

The Kitty story was poorly done- but the sentiments were right. I'm sure she had a lot of animosity towards the New Mutants over Ramsey's death, but she didn't need to be written quite so childishly. I would've expected one of the patented "Kitty speeches"- I think she would've rehearsed one in case she ran into the X-babies again, and what was written down just didn't cut it.

I almost have to wonder if Kitty's speech coming off as it did was part of the point. Remember, right after that she got yelled at by lil' Illyana. But again, if that was what Chris was aiming at, surely there could have been a better way of doing so.

[xakko]

I almost have to wonder if Kitty's speech coming off as it did was part of the point. Remember, right after that she got yelled at by lil' Illyana. But again, if that was what Chris was aiming at, surely there could have been a better way of doing so.

I think he was trying to have her try to cover her grief with the verbal attack. I would've preferred if she'd just broken down completely. It would've been more cathartic, and I don't see her that stoic.

I find it odd that none of the New Mutants mentioned to her their experience with Colossus, either. That might've changed a whole lot of things

[LoneWolf21]

Today, on a very special "X-Posters' thread"....

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/uncanny/uncanny303.jpg

Issue summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=610

The death of Illyana. Well, ok, it's for debate amongst many fans, but that's a long story. This was one of the first X-stories I ever read, so although I was only passingly familiar with anyone who wasn't in the Fox cartoon (like Kitty Pryde, who I recognized from the X-Men arcade game), everything really stuck into my mind. Also sort of amusing on the re-read, was Jubilee seeing a picture of Doug Ramsey and wondering "who the hot blonde was".

[The Lucky One]

The death of Illyana. Well, ok, it's for debate amongst many fans, but that's a long story.

Hey, it's the death of an Illyana, at least. :D

Seriously though, this was an issue with plot mechanics that didn't quite work out for me, but the emotional angle of it was so good, I didn't even care. I can't for the life of me comprehend why -- if you've got a device that will stabilize a patient until you can find a cure, the equivalent of cryogenically freezing them -- you wouldn't use it; at the very least, until the patient's legal guardian (Colossus) gets back and can make the decision... but Jubilee's sorrow was so real, I can't even fault them. One of the better Lobdell stories, and while you could argue that Kitty should've been the narrator (her having the history with 'Yana and all), it wouldn't have had the same "naive innocent" impact as with Jubilee, someone who barely even knew Illyana but was devastated just the same. It led to some pretty crappy afterstories, but the death itself was written well.

-D

[LoneWolf21]

while you could argue that Kitty should've been the narrator (her having the history with 'Yana and all), it wouldn't have had the same "naive innocent" impact as with Jubilee, someone who barely even knew Illyana but was devastated just the same.

I think using Jubilee as the "viewpoint" helped me get into it more when I first read it, I was more familiar with her than Kitty, I had about as much knowledge of Illyana as she seemed to (I only knew Illyana as Colossus's sister who was saved from Omega Red in that one episode of the cartoon), and when I first read the issue, I was roughly the same age as Jubilee, so it sucked me in more.

Although I agree, I wonder why they just immediately nixed that helmet on Kitty's say so, rather than waiting until Peter got back, and ask him?

[xakko]

I think using Jubilee as the "viewpoint" helped me get into it more when I first read it, I was more familiar with her than Kitty, I had about as much knowledge of Illyana as she seemed to (I only knew Illyana as Colossus's sister who was saved from Omega Red in that one episode of the cartoon), and when I first read the issue, I was roughly the same age as Jubilee, so it sucked me in more.

Although I agree, I wonder why they just immediately nixed that helmet on Kitty's say so, rather than waiting until Peter got back, and ask him?

Would they have been able to "pull the plug", had they used the device? I seem to recall Peter and Kitty discussing it at some point, and I seriously could be wrong about this, but Peter told her she did the right thing. It is possible that the two friends had discussed the idea of "extraordinary measures" before.

But damn, I miss me my little Illyana.

It was a powerful issue- it almost needed to be in Jubilee's voice, because Kitty would've been trying to control her emotions so much that the dialogue would have been stilted and nearly unreadable.

[Sabre]

Unfortunately, I didn't think Lobdell could write 'touching' issues very well -- to me, they really seemed incredibly melodramatic and over-wrought. That's not to say I didn't feel sad when I read it, but I think it had more to do with the character dying than the way it was written. He's (generally) much better at comedy.

[LoneWolf21]

Probably the most popular issue of Peter David's X-Factor run...

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/x-factor/x-factor87.jpg

Summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=383

Mutant Mutant Angst Angst.

Heh. A well done issue, and the future EIC wasn't half bad on art chores either (at this point Quesada's art-style was closer to his work on DC's The Ray). Great looks into the minds of each team member. PAD would do sort of a spiritual successor to this issue in the Parent-Teacher Conference/Campfire issue of Young Justice.

[LoneWolf21]

Remember, if you see an issue in this thread that was brought up earlier (like yesterday's, for example) that interets you, and you want to talk about it, go ahead do so! Anyway, on withtheshow, today's issue is.....

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/genx/genx1.jpg

A summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=418

Shiny cover! And an X-Men event too! Well, it's what the cover says, anyway.

Not bad for a first issue. Most of the key players had been introduced previously either through the Phalax Covenant crossover (in the case of the majority of the students) or from being introduced much earlier (in the case of Emma, Sean, and Jubilee), which let Lobdell and Bachalo get to work more or less immediately, although we still get some good set-ups for everyone. We also learn to never to offerto pay for M's moving expenses, as Sean found out the hard way. How'd they fit all that stuff in the Academy?

Also, the "Danger Grotto" was a neat idea, I thought. Emma still has some nice edge to her (psi-blinding the "herd" as she calls the people in the airport, from the fight with Emplate), and Chamber and Emplate have some great visuals. Bachalo was spot-on here, still using his art style from Death: The High Cost of Living.

And as an early teenager with issues when this came out, was pretty quickly drawn to Chamber. Jono's been a favorite ever since.

[The Lucky One]

Aww, crap! Totally meant to respond to the X-Factor issue last night, and then CBR was down and I forgot today. I'll get to it later, though, fo' sho'.
;)

-D

[LoneWolf21]

Aww, crap! Totally meant to respond to the X-Factor issue last night, and then CBR was down and I forgot today. I'll get to it later, though, fo' sho'.
;)

-D

Hey, no worries at all, buddy. The way I figure, if you see an issue you want to talk about, talk about it!

[Jack Flash]

i loved this issue of Gen X. It was just all so shiny and new. interesting characters. incredible art. fun times. I really miss these characters. Emplate was a great villain.

[LoneWolf21]

i loved this issue of Gen X. It was just all so shiny and new. interesting characters. incredible art. fun times. I really miss these characters. Emplate was a great villain.

I still remember getting my Dad to take me to the comic store (the newsstand at the local supermarket didn't have it) just to buy the issue. It was one of the most fun comics I'd read at the time. I think I even got the ashcan featuring Mondo and the volleyball game too.

[Jack Flash]

I still remember getting my Dad to take me to the comic store (the newsstand at the local supermarket didn't have it) just to buy the issue. It was one of the most fun comics I'd read at the time. I think I even got the ashcan featuring Mondo and the volleyball game too.

what's an ashcan?

This series had a sense of wonder and just a buzz about it(maybe it was the art?) that the latest newbie series didn't have. I dunno why. I enjoyed the last new mutants series, but I didn't rush to read it before I got home.


LW, you got good taste in comic btw! and I never read that ish of X-factor. No idea why, cuz I was buying the book back then, but I don't have it and ain't read it....wierd.

[atoningunifex]

I bought Generation X for the art. To this day I couldn't tell you more than a but of any of the storylines. i was in it for bachalos pencils. He was just off of the Death mini-series and I was a big big fan of his art. (Cronin would argue I was a big fan of Buckingham's inks- but he's evil like that).

I recently re-read some of the early Gen X stuff. Not my favorite writing(with the exception of the Age of Apocalypse stuff. Which was all good.)- but man I dig that art.

[LoneWolf21]

what's an ashcan?

This series had a sense of wonder and just a buzz about it(maybe it was the art?) that the latest newbie series didn't have. I dunno why. I enjoyed the last new mutants series, but I didn't rush to read it before I got home.


LW, you got good taste in comic btw! and I never read that ish of X-factor. No idea why, cuz I was buying the book back then, but I don't have it and ain't read it....wierd.

An ashcan was like a little pamphlet sized preview for a book, the Gen X one had a small story of the kids playing volleyball, plus some character sketches/designs,if I remember right.

Thanks for the compliment! I try and put up issues/runs I remember fondly, or I know are well liked, or stuff that I think will bring about good discussions.

[xakko]

Probably the most popular issue of Peter David's X-Factor run...

Summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=383

Mutant Mutant Angst Angst.

Heh. A well done issue, and the future EIC wasn't half bad on art chores either (at this point Quesada's art-style was closer to his work on DC's The Ray). Great looks into the minds of each team member. PAD would do sort of a spiritual successor to this issue in the Parent-Teacher Conference/Campfire issue of Young Justice.

How much do I love this issue? Wonderful Rahney goodness, the darkness in Guido and Jamie, Pietro almost sympathetic(?!?), and Lorna... mmmmmmmmLorna...

The inclusion of Doc Samson was just perfect. Val Cooper played as being out of touch with her troops... and Havok trying to deal with his brother's shadow.

Very well done. I think I may pop over to PAD's blog and thank him for it.

[LoneWolf21]

How much do I love this issue? Wonderful Rahney goodness, the darkness in Guido and Jamie, Pietro almost sympathetic(?!?), and Lorna... mmmmmmmmLorna...

The inclusion of Doc Samson was just perfect. Val Cooper played as being out of touch with her troops... and Havok trying to deal with his brother's shadow.

Very well done. I think I may pop over to PAD's blog and thank him for it.

If you liked this issue, as I mentioned, PAD did a similiar character examination in Young Justice, which, like this one, was also great.

I realize that they chosen Dr. Garrison as Kevin's psychiatrist for plot reasons,but how cool would it have been, as a nice nod, if Rahne had gotten Emma to take him to Doc Samson?

[The Lucky One]

Lord, what can I say about X-Factor #87 that hasn't already been said by a thousand fawning PAD fanboys? It's amazing, one of the greatest single issue stories I've ever read. It's an old chestnut, having your characters visit a psychiatrist to elucidate their character quirks to the reader; one might even argue it's sloppy, lazy writing, aimed at letting the writer simply flat-out say things that should be coming across in the writing. Except that PAD dodges all of that criticism by doing this issue as the last one of his run, rather than the first. So instead of being a cheater's way out, it serves as a fitting capstone to a stellar run, a way of saying "I didn't get to do all the stuff I wanted to with these characters, but here's the gist of where I was going... whaddaya think?" That's a dangerous tactic to take -- readers might well react negatively and wonder why they should care, since you're gone -- but when it works, it works in spades.

Getting into the meat of the issue... where do you start? As far as I know, PAD was the first to really zero in on the fact that being mind-controlled as often as Polaris has been would have to have some adverse mental effects, and before they were clumsily hamfisted into full-blown insanity by Chuck Austen, PAD gave us Lorna's much more believable self-esteem issues and borderline eating disorder. Rahne's fixation on Alex is explained and at least partially resolved, in that the next writer could say that, in realizing the root of her attachment to authority figures, Rahne could then work on consciously not doing so as much. Guido's constant agony seemed on the surface to come out of left field, but in retrospect it makes perfect sense- just as Spider-Man quips to cover up Peter Parker's insecurities, Strong Guy is the practical joker to cover up his pain. As, really, does Jamie, except his is emotional pain. PAD was also the first to hint at what kind of adverse psychological effects growing up alone on a farm for years after your parents died could have on a young fellow, and one of my biggest regrets about him leaving the book was that he never had the opportunity to explore that goldmine of character introspection further. Quicksilver's just may be my favorite segment, as it seems so obvious in retrospect but was something most people would never give a moment's thought. Rather than just taking it as given that Pietro's a jerk because he always has been, PAD gives us an actual reason for it, and a damn good one at that. Props.

I really don't have much else to add, just that it's an outstanding issue and I really, really hope PAD follows up on some of these elements in his upcoming run on the new X-Factor. We're with ya, guy!

-D

[LoneWolf21]

Lord, what can I say about X-Factor #87 that hasn't already been said by a thousand fawning PAD fanboys? It's amazing, one of the greatest single issue stories I've ever read. It's an old chestnut, having your characters visit a psychiatrist to elucidate their character quirks to the reader; one might even argue it's sloppy, lazy writing, aimed at letting the writer simply flat-out say things that should be coming across in the writing. Except that PAD dodges all of that criticism by doing this issue as the last one of his run, rather than the first. So instead of being a cheater's way out, it serves as a fitting capstone to a stellar run, a way of saying "I didn't get to do all the stuff I wanted to with these characters, but here's the gist of where I was going... whaddaya think?" That's a dangerous tactic to take -- readers might well react negatively and wonder why they should care, since you're gone -- but when it works, it works in spades.

Getting into the meat of the issue... where do you start? As far as I know, PAD was the first to really zero in on the fact that being mind-controlled as often as Polaris has been would have to have some adverse mental effects, and before they were clumsily hamfisted into full-blown insanity by Chuck Austen, PAD gave us Lorna's much more believable self-esteem issues and borderline eating disorder. Rahne's fixation on Alex is explained and at least partially resolved, in that the next writer could say that, in realizing the root of her attachment to authority figures, Rahne could then work on consciously not doing so as much. Guido's constant agony seemed on the surface to come out of left field, but in retrospect it makes perfect sense- just as Spider-Man quips to cover up Peter Parker's insecurities, Strong Guy is the practical joker to cover up his pain. As, really, does Jamie, except his is emotional pain. PAD was also the first to hint at what kind of adverse psychological effects growing up alone on a farm for years after your parents died could have on a young fellow, and one of my biggest regrets about him leaving the book was that he never had the opportunity to explore that goldmine of character introspection further. Quicksilver's just may be my favorite segment, as it seems so obvious in retrospect but was something most people would never give a moment's thought. Rather than just taking it as given that Pietro's a jerk because he always has been, PAD gives us an actual reason for it, and a damn good one at that. Props.

I really don't have much else to add, just that it's an outstanding issue and I really, really hope PAD follows up on some of these elements in his upcoming run on the new X-Factor. We're with ya, guy!

-D

Geez, how the heck do you follow-up to that? Heck of an insight into the issue. You pretty much said some of the thins I would have liked to have said, just y'know, a heck of a lot more eloquently well spoken and well thought out.

[LoneWolf21]

Today's issue is a little less famous than the last two, but it's still fairly important to X-Lore. Also, if you see an issuefrom past posts you haven't commented on, but you'd like to, go ahead!

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/uncanny/uncanny314.jpg

Emma's wakes from her coma, steals Iceman's body, and eventually finds out the fate of the original Hellions. This started Emma's reformation, which can still be seen today in the current x-books, started the whole "untapped potential" aspect of Iceman's powers, which has been seesawing between "I've discovred it all!" to "Why can't I do more?!" and back again ever since. It also subtely planted a seed for Generation X, and gave an on-panel confiration of just who in Hellions died (of sorts, we just saw Emma's reactions to a computer terminal showing the deaths, with the computer saying the persons name), since previously, the only on-panel deaths were Jetstream, Tarot (twice! Also, she has since been ressurected), and Beef.

[dazzler_slave]

Today's issue is a little less famous than the last two, but it's still fairly important to X-Lore. Also, if you see an issuefrom past posts you haven't commented on, but you'd like to, go ahead!

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/uncanny/uncanny314.jpg

Emma's wakes from her coma, steals Iceman's body, and eventually finds out the fate of the original Hellions. This started Emma's reformation, which can still be seen today in the current x-books, started the whole "untapped potential" aspect of Iceman's powers, which has been seesawing between "I've discovred it all!" to "Why can't I do more?!" and back again ever since. It also subtely planted a seed for Generation X, and gave an on-panel confiration of just who in Hellions died (of sorts, we just saw Emma's reactions to a computer terminal showing the deaths, with the computer saying the persons name), since previously, the only on-panel deaths were Jetstream, Tarot (twice! Also, she has since been ressurected), and Beef.

I think this was a really solid issue. I remember that when it came out I was really jazzed about Iceman. I always thought that he had so much potential that he wasn't living up to. Unfortunately, they have not really progressed him all that much. Once in awhile he does something amazing then it's back to the way he always was. I also liked that his power stagnation was entirely his own doing. This brought depth to the shallowest of the original X-Men. I remember thinking that Iceman and Emma might develop a romantic relationship since she knew him so well now. Turns out she had her eye on a different founding member lol. Plus, being in Bobby's head she saw that he was indeed gay. (I joke, I joke! just trying to rile y'all up into a feeding frenzy!)

[dazzler_slave]

Just wanted to comment on some of the recent issues you covered LW. LuckyOne, you exactly captured my feelings towards that X-Factor issue! Nothing more needs to be said.

I really enjoyed Excalibur #8. Back in the day when "talky, character driven" issues were the exception not the norm, I really enjoyed them. They provided a breather from all the action and the chance to get in the heads of the heroes. I really thought this issue was the perfect window into Meggan. She was so powerful, but still felt that she had to morph herself to the preferences of those around her. This issue went a long way to exploring her development from a cipher into her own person. She would eventually become quite a strong character years later when Capt. Britain retired and dumped her and she found solace in the friendship with Colossus. You can see the beginnings here in #8. Good stuff. Plus it was nice to see the arrogant Brian humbled a little! The Kitty stuff WAS a bit off, as previous posters stated, but I liked that. Grief often makes one act different from how you normally are, and I thought this showcased that nicely.

Generation X started off very well, I thought. However, I have a confession to make. I hate Chamber. Always have. Did not like him from the moment he stepped off the plane. Always thought he was visually awkward. Never liked his character at all. I know I am totally in the minority as most people mention him as one of the main draws to the series, but hey, diversity is what makes us interesting, right?

[xakko]

Today's issue is a little less famous than the last two, but it's still fairly important to X-Lore. Also, if you see an issuefrom past posts you haven't commented on, but you'd like to, go ahead!

Emma's wakes from her coma, steals Iceman's body, and eventually finds out the fate of the original Hellions. This started Emma's reformation, which can still be seen today in the current x-books, started the whole "untapped potential" aspect of Iceman's powers, which has been seesawing between "I've discovred it all!" to "Why can't I do more?!" and back again ever since. It also subtely planted a seed for Generation X, and gave an on-panel confiration of just who in Hellions died (of sorts, we just saw Emma's reactions to a computer terminal showing the deaths, with the computer saying the persons name), since previously, the only on-panel deaths were Jetstream, Tarot (twice! Also, she has since been ressurected), and Beef.

Actually, the "untapped potential" of Iceman was really started, to my knowledge, in X-Factor Annual #1, where Doppleganger (whatever happened to that guy?) tells Bobby that his superior intellect can use the Ice powers in ways Iceman never dreamed.

Still, it's a strong issue, even for one who doesn't like Emma.

[LoneWolf21]

Today, a little spotlight on Colossus.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/uncanny/uncanny315.jpg

Summary can be found here: http://www.thexaxis.com/indexes/uncannyxmen/315.htm

All in all, not a terrible issue. Pretty much the first real look into Peter's head post-defection, and the look into the politics of the Acolytes was pretty interesting. It was kind of regretful that within his next few appearences Neophyte would end up back with the Acolytes though.

[Blackcat]

I miss Scanner.....!

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[The Lucky One]

It was kind of regretful that within his next few appearences Neophyte would end up back with the Acolytes though.

Just when he thought he was out, they pulled him back in!

-D

[Jack Flash]

What ever happened to Neophyte?

[LoneWolf21]

What ever happened to Neophyte?

Unknown. He may hav shown up in Eve of Destruction, but I have no idea, since I never bothered to read those issues. Basically, like most Acolytes, he may or may not have been killed on Genosha during the monster Sentinel attack, although he and Amelia Voight have an easy out though, since they can go intangible. Heck wasn't Scanner a teleporter? You'd figure at least someone on Genosha was.

[xakko]

I liked this issue- I think, in some ways, it stresses that Piotr is now in his "right mind", having been healed of his brain damage over in Excalibur. He is eloquent and insistent, and does a wonderful defense for the poor boy. Of course, soon after he'd be back among the X-folk and his character assassinated, but there you are. Exodus too, come to think of it, given his last appearance.

I wonder how the Acolytes never doubted Piotr's role in allowing the X-men aboard Avalon during Fatal Attractions. Surely they must have suspected him, yes?

[LoneWolf21]

Well, after a bit of a delay, we have a new issue.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/xforce/xforce75.jpg

This was just a FUN issue. Well the event Road Trip mega arc of X-Force was fun. Ok, in my eyes, the entire Moore/Pollina/Cheung era was a bast to read, and why it was elimanted for Counter X I have no idea. Anyway, this issue is more or less the "coming out" issue for Karma (who guest stars), as she shows up at the Colossal Man festival (a great homage to Burning Man festival, and even possibly Mystery Science Theater 3000) in a very different look, with some very interesting friends. This also marked the end of the first go 'round in the Sam/Tabitha relationship. Ok, so they broke up next issue, when he actually saw er playing Tonsil Hockey with Bobby, but the first kiss was here. The scene with James finally saying goodbye to his family via Dani was very nice, and it was good to see them interact again, something they hadn't really done since the New Mutant days. Oh yeah, and Sam's cameo was a breath of fresh air, after being misused in the main x-books for so long, he's back to the butt-kicker he once was (although Joe Kelly was doing a pretty good job fixing him up too), although he had know idea about the anvil Tabitha and Bobby were going to be dropping on his head. Selene was perfectly suitably villian for the story, although she mostly fought Dani, and the Collossal Man going on a Godzilla-eque rampage was neat. Nice use of teamwork to bring the thing down by the so-called "Ex-New Mutants Force". andthe final coda with Cable just reinforced the point that the kids had outgrown him. He wasn't needed as a guiding hand anymore. Moore was solid on the isue, and Pollina really captured the craziness of a Burning Man inspired shindig (I wonder if he had references?)

[Gaveedra 6]

I loved this issue too. I really wish Roberto and Tabitha's relationship went somewhere. I thought they were a really sexy couple. Far sexier than the default cornbread thing she had with Sam. And too bad Karma lost the pink hair! She's totally square now. What gives? :)

[dazzler_slave]

This was my favorite run of X-Force and one of my favorite runs on a comic EVER. I loved seeing them without costumes and going on a big ass road trip. I only wish it had lasted longer than it did. Moore captured their characters perfectly, and each one was so distinct from the other. The way they interacted was so natural, I really enjoyed that. Plus, when this was written, I was in my early twenties too, just like them, so I really identified with their pop cultural identity. The road trip was an amalgamation of various trips I took with my friends. Adam Pollina was the perfect artist to capture this story. He was incredible, and remains one of my fave artists to this day. Soon enough, the road trip would be over and they would be settling into their new digs in San Francisco, along with new costumes. A little of the magic left, but not much. I never understood why Moore didn't receive more acclaim for this run. Most fans agree that it was amazing. And to replace it with that Whilce Portacio/Warren Ellis mess that looked like a refugee from Image? What a waste of potential!

As an aside, does anyone know what John Francis Moore and Adam Pollina are doing these days? They have both dropped off the radar as far as I know. That is too bad, because I love their work and would like to see more of either of them.

[The Lucky One]

For me, the Road Trip arc marked a time when the characters had finally shaken off Cable's influence and returned to being the New Mutants in all but name. Cable's appearance at the end of this issue surprised me -- basically, it's an attempt to soften his character by now having him approve of his kids doing everything he originally told them not to back in the early X-Force days -- but as long as I had my Muties back, I didn't care. In fact, if someone were to do an Academy X mini like the recent Hellions one, but this time focusing on the original New Mutants and Hellions reuniting to take someone down, I'd be all over that like white on rice.

-D

[xakko]

For me, the Road Trip arc marked a time when the characters had finally shaken off Cable's influence and returned to being the New Mutants in all but name. Cable's appearance at the end of this issue surprised me -- basically, it's an attempt to soften his character by now having him approve of his kids doing everything he originally told them not to back in the early X-Force days -- but as long as I had my Muties back, I didn't care. In fact, if someone were to do an Academy X mini like the recent Hellions one, but this time focusing on the original New Mutants and Hellions reuniting to take someone down, I'd be all over that like white on rice.
-D

I liked the issue in many ways, except for the treatment of poor Sam. Best friends betraying you with your girlfriend, and then the girl who was using him telling him that he should be grateful for them? Forget that! Of course, I hadn't liked Tabitha since her appearance in Secret Wars, so I never felt she was worthy of Sam, and always wanted him with Lila, or, failing that, Rahne, Amara- maybe even Dani. Tabby and Roberto deserve each other. And grief.

[Jack Flash]

I loved this issue. The Art by Pollina was just spot on perfection. The kids finally felt like young adults. As far as the Tabby/Berto/Sam thing, it's what kids that age do. They create drama and even though they are old enough to make their own decisions, they rarely make good ones at that age. ya know? It just felt organic.

John Francis Moore and Adam Pollina should be on an X - book. it's just that simple.

[For the Good of X]

A 90s X-books that didn't blow chunks, the Moore+Pollina era of X-Force was just good old fashioned comics storytelling and adventure that was old school and yet so thoroughly modern. Very Gen-X. When Cheung came along, the plots went a little more action oriented by the familial tone and group dynamic remained. The run even withstood the butting in of Onslaught and other crossover crap.

[Cayman]

John Francis Moore seems a bit underemployed these days.

I bought the first issue of his Focus universe book, but the whole thing had such an aura of doom around it.

Cay

[LoneWolf21]

Sorry for the hiatus gang, but I'm back. Once again, if you see a past issue you want to comment on, go ahead and do so!

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/deadpool/deadpool3-11.jpg

Wade inadvertantly travels through time and runs amok (and mocks the Osborn hair-style)n in an actual issue of Spider-Man! Vefry very funny issue.

[Flight]

The Worlds Greatest Comics!

[Dizzy D]

Wonderful issue, especially because it reprints the original issue as well.

I joked on the TV/Filmboard once that this should be the basis for the Deadpool-movie: taking the Spider-Man movie and Forrest Gump Deadpool into it.

[dazzler_slave]

I absolutely love this issue! Deadpool was at his prime during Joe Kelly's run. This was and remains one of the funniest (and funnest) books ever written. If only Marvel did more of these light hearted comics these days. 'sigh'

[dazzler_slave]

Wonderful issue, especially because it reprints the original issue as well.

I joked on the TV/Filmboard once that this should be the basis for the Deadpool-movie: taking the Spider-Man movie and Forrest Gump Deadpool into it.

And I would go to see that movie!

[LoneWolf21]

Today's issue is:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/mini/chamber1.jpg

Summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1136

This was a great little mini series by Vaughan, it's a shame it didn't get as many readers, but BKV really gets Jono, and the idea that even some of the more outlandish mutants are afraid to look at him, that he's a freak among freaks, if you will, is an interesting one. The art and colors were also very impressive on this one too. Also, it seems like half the MU has taken college courses at ESU, hasn't it? I also wouldn't mind seeing Amber again, and how she'd interact with him, but looks like things post HoM may end that.

[Dizzy D]

Note: Can't really remember what happened in what issue, so I'll do the whole mini-series.

The most interesting about BKV's version of Chamber (and indeed Lobdell's original version of Chamber as well) is that he is (or at least seems) pretty shallow. You would expect somebody like him to look past looks, but maybe just because he looks the way he does, he judges others by their looks as well. Amber is the best example of this: she is interested in him, but he not in her.. till he finds out that she can change into this beautiful girl. Amber is pissed for a good reason and refuses him. In the end Chamber learns.. or at learns enough that he should start learning *insert smiley* and takes the job as a teacher at Xavier's.

Too bad Weapon X went in a completely different direction with the character.

I also wanted to see more of the human student at Xavier. Xavier doing an exchange program was very interesting and I wanted to see more of it.

[LoneWolf21]

Sorry for the break, but now we should be back on track, and we'll restart things with this issue:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/wolverine/wolverine75.jpg

A summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1086

Pretty good issue really, I think this, along with the X-Force and adjectiveless X-Men issues, were the best installments of the Fatal Attractions x-over. This also reveals that Wolverine's claws weren't implants or side-effects from the Weapon X project, he'd always had them. Heck of a splash page too (the image of the ethereal angel teen Illyana seen in the afterlife was also interesting), Wolverine on his knees in agony, blood seeping from where his now bone claws popped out (his healing factor still recovering from everything else) and falling everywhere. The one thing I thought odd was that, given how important she was to him for so long, Kitty's total absense from the issue, save in one panel towards the beginning. I realize that 1) there's a bit of an off-panel time jump in between when the Blackbird lands and the Danger Room exercise, so she was probably around for awhile, and then headed back for England, and 2) Really, at this point, Jubilee was more Wolverine sidekick du jour, so it more sense for her to be around, I suppose.

[wilsonRfrost]

i think it was one of my first reads...
i was kind of buffled about wolverine and who was Illiana (come to think of it, i still dont get what was the angelic thing had to do with anything...)

but the part when wolverine saved jean and vise versa...
*sigh*

they should have been lovers indeed...

[dazzler_slave]

I remember being shocked that they actually had the balls to rip out Wolvie's adamantium. Such a fundamental change to Marvel's most popular character! Also, unlike most other publicity stunts (death of Superman, breaking Batman's back heck even death of Phoenix) they actually kept him adamantium-less for six years of stories! Very impressive. I was expecting them to go back to the metal in a year or so, but boy was I wrong. This also kicked off a very interesting time in Wolvie's life. His series saw some great stories for the 2 or so years after this issue. Logan had to evaluate his abilities and re-think his place in the world. There was a lot of reflection and introspection. I dug it!

[LoneWolf21]

Today's issue is:

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Summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=549

Fight! Fight! Fight!

Yeah, at it's base it's another of Claremont's mind control stories, and it's teammates against teammates (this time Blue team vs Gold team with Banshee and Forge thrown in for good measure), but it's still a fun issue and nice way to end a three part story arc. This was also Chris's last issue until 2000, so there's a little speechmaking at the end and a thank you for him. Come to think of it, didn't Wolverine switch back to the blue and yellow togs the next issue? Anyway, the fighting is nice, Lee's art is pretty to look at and pretty strong too, Magneto's farewell was pretty nice, although the science beheind how the Gold team got that invisble plane from Wonder Woman's hangar to work is a little wonky. Also, Cortez got to show he truly is the Starscream to Magneto's Megatron.....but then who would be Leonard Nimoy?

[Indigo Al]

Today's issue is:

Summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=549

Fight! Fight! Fight!

Yeah, at it's base it's another of Claremont's mind control stories, and it's teammates against teammates (this time Blue team vs Gold team with Banshee and Forge thrown in for good measure), but it's still a fun issue and nice way to end a three part story arc. This was also Chris's last issue until 2000, so there's a little speechmaking at the end and a thank you for him. Come to think of it, didn't Wolverine switch back to the blue and yellow togs the next issue? Anyway, the fighting is nice, Lee's art is pretty to look at and pretty strong too, Magneto's farewell was pretty nice, although the science beheind how the Gold team got that invisble plane from Wonder Woman's hangar to work is a little wonky. Also, Cortez got to show he truly is the Starscream to Magneto's Megatron.....but then who would be Leonard Nimoy?

My main problem with the story arc was technical, and nothing more - the "process" by which the team was mind controlled didn't make sense. It's explained that Moira removed a genetic element that contributed to Magneto's "insanity", and then he forced Moira "to repeat the process" on the X-Men.

Why would the X-Men share this instability with Magneto? Seems like bad editing to me...

[Dizzy D]

My main problem with the story arc was technical, and nothing more - the "process" by which the team was mind controlled didn't make sense. It's explained that Moira removed a genetic element that contributed to Magneto's "insanity", and then he forced Moira "to repeat the process" on the X-Men.

Why would the X-Men share this instability with Magneto? Seems like bad editing to me...

And furthermore, why would this process cause the X-men to obey Magneto?

[LoneWolf21]

Today's issue is: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/uncanny/uncanny150.jpg

Summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1814

[xakko]

Today's issue is: Uncanny #150

Summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1814
OK, I first encountered Magneto as a decent guy with a tortured past, and came upon this in Essentials. Great, great issue. It gets to the essence of what Storm, Colossus and Kitty are, and what Magneto should be.

And I adore the ending! Using the force, indeed!

[Dizzy D]

Ah, one of the greatest issues of all time. Required reading for you, kids!

This is the point where Magneto set upon a long journey that made him more than just another powerhungry villain. It also had the X-men fighting smart and using good teamwork (Storm's tactic was especially clever)

[LoneWolf21]

Yeah I know I'm using the reprint for today's issue, I just personaly prefer that one to the original. Anyway, today's issue is: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/mini/mgn5reprint.jpg

Summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1248

Many consider to this one of the top (or the top) X-stories ever. It's definetely a good read. I wonder how it would be recieved in today's envirorment? Of course, this book also loosely inspired X2, and I believe Bryan Singer has said it's his favorite X-Men story. Also, did Scott and Ororo seem closer than usual to anyone else in this story? Probably just me. The one weird thing in this story to me is that the gang Kitty runs into at one point is a little over the top, but it's just small potatoes, this is a good story.

[xakko]

Yeah I know I'm using the reprint for today's issue, I just personaly prefer that one to the original. Anyway, today's issue is:

Summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1248

Many consider to this one of the top (or the top) X-stories ever. It's definetely a good read. I wonder how it would be recieved in today's envirorment? Of course, this book also loosely inspired X2, and I believe Bryan Singer has said it's his favorite X-Men story. Also, did Scott and Ororo seem closer than usual to anyone else in this story? Probably just me. The one weird thing in this story to me is that the gang Kitty runs into at one point is a little over the top, but it's just small potatoes, this is a good story.
I remember the first time I read this, with Kitty dropping the N-bomb on Stevie Hunter, the strong religious imagery, Magneto continuing the move towards becoming more than a supervillain...

I absolutely love this. There's the cute scene with Kitty and Illyana. In fact, Kitty is amazing through the whole thing- from her anger at the TV debate to her showdown with Stryker at the end. And yes, Scott and 'Ro do seem very close. I wonder if Claremont was feeling out the possibilities of a romance there?

[LoneWolf21]

Remember, you can comment on any past issue we've done, not just the current one.

Anyway, today's issue is: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/aoa/xmenalpha.jpg

Summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=940

[LoneWolf21]

Today's issue is: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/aoa/gennext4.jpg

Summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=950

[Jack Flash]

great issue. I loved Generation Next more so than any other Age of Apocalypse title, and alot of the AOA minis were WONDERFUL, but this one was the cream of the crop. I miss Mondo and Vincent. such great characters that got dropped without even getting explored.

[LoneWolf21]

Today's issue is: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/2099/xmen2099-1.jpg

Summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=728

I wonder, if the copy of this issue some how still exists in 2099, will people laugh and say "THIS is what they thought our time would be like? Ha!"?

[Jack Flash]

i seriously ATE this series up. I loved it. I connected with all of the characters (cept BloodHawk - he was too kewl!) Serpentina :(

What a fun series and a fun world. I love that Halloween Jack ended up in MU proper. No idea how it happened, but he's so FUN!

[atoningunifex]

There is no fun concept that Ron Lim's art can't ruin.

[Uncle Nobs]

There is no fun concept that Ron Lim's art can't ruin.
Amen.

The only place Ron would acceptably fit in the comix industry today would be if he owned his title as "Ruiner of Anything". He should start a series where he recreates classic, landmark comix just to prove he can ruin anything. THAT would be entertaining.

[Ryan K]

My brother had all the X-Men 2099 toys and I probably have the first dozen or so issues, but for the life of me I can't remember ever reading them.

I didn't realize Ron Lim had a reputation like that. Not that I ever really paid attention.

[Dizzy D]

Today's issue is:

Summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=728

I wonder, if the copy of this issue some how still exists in 2099, will people laugh and say "THIS is what they thought our time would be like? Ha!"?

I don't think it will be any different from us reading comics in the 40s about flying cars in 1989 or Philip K. Dick stories that are set in the late 20th century.

I liked X-men 2099 (otherwise I wouldn't have done the recaps), even though the point-at-the-disposable-teammember-that-will-die-and-become-the-motivation
-for-somebody-else-game was very easy to play. But for the rest the series was unpredictable: the X-men 2099 succeeded: they had their city in the end where humans and mutants lived in harmony. Their leader became their greatest villain years before Onslaught happened (and did it better as well) and whenever I see Sage I have to think of Cerebra. Bloodhawk was an annoying character though, he really didn't add anything to the series.

[LoneWolf21]

Today's issue is: http://www.thexaxis.com/agentx/agentx15.jpg

Summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1455

I wonder if they ever gave back the FantastiCar?

A great end to a great series, no doubt about it. And a totally quotable book too.

[dazzler_slave]

Today's issue is: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/2099/xmen2099-1.jpg

Summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=728

I wonder, if the copy of this issue some how still exists in 2099, will people laugh and say "THIS is what they thought our time would be like? Ha!"?

I totally loved X-Men 2099. I thought the stories were really well done and the characters were so interesting. Though the title did get a little worse towards the end, I really enjoyed both X-Men and X-Nation. I was sad to see them go. I would love to see them revisited in a mini series or something. I found Meanstreak, X'ian, Cerebra, Twilight, and Krystallin to be my favorites.

[The Lucky One]

A great end to a great series, no doubt about it. And a totally quotable book too.

Absolutely... Gail was magic on that book. That whole arc was really terrific, especially the parts where the brain-damaged Deadpool rediscovered his weiner. "Boingie-boingie-boingie!" "Mr. Wilson, that's nasty! Stop that!" Heh. And the part where Deadpool's overjoyed to learn that he still thinks in "those little yellow boxes" was truly hilarious. Plus a satisfying conclusion, which is rare. No complaints.

-D

[dazzler_slave]

Absolutely... Gail was magic on that book. That whole arc was really terrific, especially the parts where the brain-damaged Deadpool rediscovered his weiner. "Boingie-boingie-boingie!" "Mr. Wilson, that's nasty! Stop that!" Heh. And the part where Deadpool's overjoyed to learn that he still thinks in "those little yellow boxes" was truly hilarious. Plus a satisfying conclusion, which is rare. No complaints.

-D

That was priceless stuff! I really thought Gail saved Deadpool. Joe Kelly was incredible and Christopher Priest was bang on, but Frank Tieri really dragged the title down and took away all the fun of Wade. He made it grim and gritty which totally missed the point of the character. Then Gail started on the title and it was back to being so funny and witty! She continued this streak on Agent X. If Fabian ever decides to leave Cable & Deadpool, then Marvel should beg Gail to return to take over the writing!

[Jack Flash]

I totally loved X-Men 2099. I thought the stories were really well done and the characters were so interesting. Though the title did get a little worse towards the end, I really enjoyed both X-Men and X-Nation. I was sad to see them go. I would love to see them revisited in a mini series or something. I found Meanstreak, X'ian, Cerebra, Twilight, and Krystallin to be my favorites.

X'ian's good hand/bad hand concept was really cool.

[dazzler_slave]

X'ian's good hand/bad hand concept was really cool.

It really was. I wonder if we'll ever see them again?

[The Lucky One]

Well, the Exiles are visiting the 2099 universe in an upcoming storyline, so I wouldn't be surprised if they make at least a cameo appearance.

-D

[LoneWolf21]

Today's issue is: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/wolverine/wolverinerahneofterra.jpg

[dazzler_slave]

Wow! Now that's a blast from the past for me! I liked this issue, but I don't really remember a lot from it as I have not read it in years. I remember it being in continuity, and it spun off a sequel graphic novel, but I don't think anyone has touched on it ever since. I would be kinda cool to revisit that world. If I recall correctly, Wolfsbane and Wolverine visit an alternate world that is a magical place and Wolfsbane is a princess right?

[TheDarkestHorse]

Today's issue is: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/aoa/gennext4.jpg

Summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=950


Great stuff. I read it in tpb form, and cried at the end. And I'm not someone who cries a lot.

[The Lucky One]

Wow! Now that's a blast from the past for me! I liked this issue, but I don't really remember a lot from it as I have not read it in years. I remember it being in continuity, and it spun off a sequel graphic novel, but I don't think anyone has touched on it ever since. I would be kinda cool to revisit that world. If I recall correctly, Wolfsbane and Wolverine visit an alternate world that is a magical place and Wolfsbane is a princess right?

You know, I wrote up a whole little paragraph about this issue last night... and then I fell asleep while sitting there and my internet connection dropped out. D'oh.

Anyway, fun little one-shot. Yep, Wolfsbane switches minds with the princess of a medievel world, leading to... um, adventures. Missable, but entertaining; cool to see Doug alive again as the poor peasant boy who rescues the princess and becomes her true love. Weird seeing Cable as a noble old wizard, but it's Peter David, so you know it's a good time.

-D

[LoneWolf21]

We're back!

Today's issue is: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/xtreme/xtreme24.jpg

Summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1244

[Blackcat]

Darkstar's funeral, so sad

[Hi-Fi]

Darkstar's funeral, so sad

But i love the Sam/Lila moments we have in here. They make a cute couple. :)

[AceOfSpades]

Sam is one of my favorite X-men, so this issue was great in my opinion. Add Sal Larrocas artwork in and I was drooling. I thought it was a good way of pulling Sam into X-treme, instead of him just randomly showing up on the team

[Brian M.]

Didn't pick up Xtreme X-Men until their last arc.

[xakko]

I liked this issue. Too often, creators don't give us the down time to see the effects of what they've wrought. Claremont gave us this, which was really touching, with insight into Sam and his hopes and dreams and fears.

I wish there was an issue like this every year, if not every arc.

[LoneWolf21]

After an absence....

Today's issue is: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/uncanny/uncanny390.jpg

Summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1611

[david r]

I felt that Colossus' sacrifice was emotional. I actually feel this is one of writer Scott Lobdell's best issues ever of X-Men. Though I do have some problems with Peter Rasputin just suddenly up and deciding to sacrifice his life, without any real build-up.

But overall, this was a well-done issue. I also liked Salvador Larroca's art chores. But I've always wondered why Marvel just up-and decided to kill off one of the mutants. It just seemed to come out of left field to me.

[Marty4Magik]

This issue did nothing for me.

I felt that Colossus' time as an X-man was up (he did not have to die, but he just didn't fit with the team anymore), but this was a dumb way to go for him.

[Brian M.]

I never read this issue. I've been looking for it at comic shops still haven't seen it. Astonishing #4 kinda knocked out the real emotional grab of the story I would figure though.

[Affinity]

I liked Cecelia's involvement in this issue.

[leg end]

Kinda an ok issue. Nothing special for me. I would have liked to have seen more developement of Peter in the issues beforehand which would lead to a more climatic death. Plus- why Collosus? Atleast a decent enough retcon brought him back

[Affinity]

I suppose Colossus was chosen because he was hit the hardest with the Legacy Virus out of all the X-Men, with the death of Illyana.

And the resurrection wasn't all that great, IMO.

[xakko]

you're breaking my heart, man.

didn't like the issue. gave up comics after reading it. Lobdell's character assassination is completed. would Colossus sacrifice himself to save all mutantkind? of course. Would he do it rashly? Never.

[david r]

I've always thought that Marvel pulled this stunt (killing Colossus in #390) because of the negative reaction the X-Men comics had gone through in 2000. Namely Chris Claremont's return going negative, and the lukewarm reaction to his Neo storyline.

So Claremont is fired and Lobdell returns, and to shore up positive interest in the books (or at least noise), they kill off Colossus. It definitely read out of place.

[LoneWolf21]

On today's menu we have...

Today's issue is: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/xmen/xmen110.jpg

Summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1612

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[FieryBalrog]

another meaningless issue now.

One big thing I dislike about Whedon's run, is that he hasn't done a single thing with Colossus worth justifying bringing him back. OK, the couple of panels we got when Kitty first realized whats going on were great and a real surprise. After that, nada.

At least now we know that being cremated is no obstacle to being resurrected.

[david r]

X-Men #110, the fall-out of Peter Rasputin's death. I felt it was well-handled by Scott Lobdell and company. Though the fact that what happened to Kitty Pryde (following the events of X-Men #100 ) was never really explained, was somewhat pathetic. But this is Marvel, and they usually don't explain things too well.

I still think Colossus' death was just a stunt to shore up interest. And feel that Joss Whedon's resurrection of Peter was not very well handled. He was cremated. Why can't anyone stay dead??

[fireball87o]

This issue is why i STOPPED subscribing to Marvel.

Not because the issue was bad (hey I never even got the chance to read it), but because I had year subscription and Marvel dodgily never sent me this issue, but I did get the one before and the one after. Quite weird, It's like they ran outta the issue so they just didn't send me one. And no, no one stole it outta the mailbox either.

So i go to the comic shops only to find it sold it. Thx a lot Marvel!

[LoneWolf21]

This time around it's....

Today's issue is: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/deadpool/deadpool3-67.jpg

Summary can be found here: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=854

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[Spirit of vengeance]

Dazzler appeared in Deadpool and written by Gail Simone! I did not know this I need this issue now.

Dan

[Novaya Havoc]

<dreamy sigh>

The most fabulous issue ever. Thank you, Gail Simone. Classic Dazzler still rocks over all others.

[The Lucky One]

The most fabulous issue ever. Thank you, Gail Simone. Classic Dazzler still rocks over all others.

...for gay men. ;) For straight guys, reluctant X-Man Dazzler is much more where it's at.

-D

[fireball87o]

...for gay men. ;) For straight guys, reluctant X-Man Dazzler is much more where it's at.

-D

I like Dazzler from her aussie days :D

Now about the issue, i expected more content/storyline/plot.

[LoneWolf21]

...for gay men. ;) For straight guys, reluctant X-Man Dazzler is much more where it's at.

-D

Well, reluctant X-Man Dazzler sure didn't have that much cleavage.

Hoo-Ha!

[xakko]

X-Men #110, the fall-out of Peter Rasputin's death. I felt it was well-handled by Scott Lobdell and company. Though the fact that what happened to Kitty Pryde (following the events of X-Men #100 ) was never really explained, was somewhat pathetic. But this is Marvel, and they usually don't explain things too well.

I still think Colossus' death was just a stunt to shore up interest. And feel that Joss Whedon's resurrection of Peter was not very well handled. He was cremated. Why can't anyone stay dead??
this issue wasn't too bad. it doesn't make a lot of continuity sense- showing the two holding each other after Illyana died, with Peter in human form- but it was touching anyway.

Kitty's disillusionment with Xavier's cause did come across very well.

[david r]

Kitty's disillusionment with Xavier's cause did come across very well.

though I felt that Charles Xavier erasing Kitty's files from Cerebro was a bit much. Charles wouldn't have done that. But it was touching, in a way.

[xakko]

though I felt that Charles Xavier erasing Kitty's files from Cerebro was a bit much. Charles wouldn't have done that. But it was touching, in a way.
yeah, 'cause you know he had a couple ways to take her out if she went bad.

[LoneWolf21]

Today, it's Anthology, part 1!

Today's issue is: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/xmu/xmu34.jpg

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[fireball87o]

Today, a little spotlight on Colossus.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/uncanny/uncanny315.jpg

Summary can be found here: http://www.thexaxis.com/indexes/uncannyxmen/315.htm

All in all, not a terrible issue. Pretty much the first real look into Peter's head post-defection, and the look into the politics of the Acolytes was pretty interesting. It was kind of regretful that within his next few appearences Neophyte would end up back with the Acolytes though.

I'd like to see what happened to Scanner and the other Acolytes (NO they didn't die on Genosha).

In-line with the issue, a part of me liked when Colussus danced with the dark side. It made sense for his character (at that time) to go through the battery of emotions he did.

Glad he's back to his roots :D

[LoneWolf21]

Anthology, part 2!

Today's issue is: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/xmu/xmu43.jpg

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[Marty4Magik]

Anthology, part 2!

Today's issue is: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/xmu/xmu43.jpg

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I loooooooved this issue...Claremont and Sienkievitch (or however you spell it) drawing the New Mutants agian... :cool:
Less enjoyable (not at all? :confused: ) for those who haven't read The original New Mutants run by CC.

[fireball87o]

I loooooooved this issue...Claremont and Sienkievitch (or however you spell it) drawing the New Mutants agian... :cool:
Less enjoyable (not at all? :confused: ) for those who haven't read The original New Mutants run by CC.


i think it could've used more content. wasn't this the reunion special cc promised years ago and we were all waiting for?

[LoneWolf21]

There was also the oddity of Doug not being seen in the flashbacks or Rahne's locket or mentioned by anyone, the only Claremont/Sienkiewicz New Mutant who was excluded entirely.