Triumph(that botched justice league founder)

[caats19]

i wonder if HE still helped form the justice league. probably not i'd imagine. kinda sucks how he officially died, forgotten that he was frozen in the jla headquarters when it blew up..HA OUCH.
for those who don't remember this guy:
fixed the link* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_(comics)

[Count Vertigo]

Link doesn't work

[Lonewalker]

Triumph (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_(comics))

A cool character indeed.

[Buried Alien]

I don't know much about the character (wasn't reading too many comics at the time), but while I don't have much against the character per se, I don't much like the idea of his being a Johnny Come Lately who was shoehorned into a very critical moment in the history of the DCU.

And as much as I enjoyed JLA YEAR ONE as a story, I was never too keen on the founding lineup of the JLA being Flash (Barry Allen), Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Black Canary, Aquaman, and Martian Manhunter. The founding JLA was and thankfully is again Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, and the Martian Manhunter. The idea that the DCU's most iconic superteam began its existence without its three most iconic heroes just seemed absurd to me.


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I don't know much about the character (wasn't reading too many comics at the time), but while I don't have much against the character per se, I don't much like the idea of his being a Johnny Come Lately who was shoehorned into a very critical moment in the history of the DCU.

And as much as I enjoyed JLA YEAR ONE as a story, I was never too keen on the founding lineup of the JLA being Flash (Barry Allen), Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Black Canary, Aquaman, and Martian Manhunter. The founding JLA was and thankfully is again Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, and the Martian Manhunter. The idea that the DCU's most iconic superteam began its existence without its three most iconic heroes just seemed absurd to me.


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)


He was a tragic character though. I remember in thos JLA issues where Will claims he only wished to have his destiny realized. And Superman remarked that it was his fault because he couldn't move on.

[Damo]

Well it's not that he's a Johnny come lately that was shoehorned in. In the DCUniverse proper, he wasn't a founder. Reality was rewritten, basically removing him and everything he did. Poor guy. I was really let down that he was frozen and killed. I had hopes for a redemption story one day.

[AllisterH]

So how come Triump is a failure and ridiculed by DCU fans, yet Sentry seems to be accepted by Marvel fans?

[K'Nort]

So how come Triump is a failure and ridiculed by DCU fans, yet Sentry seems to be accepted by Marvel fans?

At least in part because Triumph was written specifically as a failure and a lost cause and Sentry currently isn't.

[K'Nort]

And as much as I enjoyed JLA YEAR ONE as a story, I was never too keen on the founding lineup of the JLA being Flash (Barry Allen), Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Black Canary, Aquaman, and Martian Manhunter. The founding JLA was and thankfully is again Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, and the Martian Manhunter. The idea that the DCU's most iconic superteam began its existence without its three most iconic heroes just seemed absurd to me.

I thought it was pretty realistic. It wasn't "my" Justice League, but it wasn't absurd. Superman and Batman had already declined JSA membership back in the day, so it's consistent. And they both already had established solo careers. The fact they maintained both team and solo careers (and secret identities) in the Silver Age is really less realistic than the Year One idea, not more.

[Lonewalker]

At least in part because Triumph was written specifically as a failure and a lost cause and Sentry currently isn't.

That's a safe expalantion. One thing is for sure, Triumph came first than Sentry.

[Lonewalker]

I personally prefer Year One. But that's just me.

[Damo]

I thought it was pretty realistic. It wasn't "my" Justice League, but it wasn't absurd. Superman and Batman had already declined JSA membership back in the day, so it's consistent. And they both already had established solo careers. The fact they maintained both team and solo careers (and secret identities) in the Silver Age is really less realistic than the Year One idea, not more.

Quoted for truth.

[caats19]

i went and read wikipedia's page on the sentry, and interestingly enough they have a section dedicated to how he's more of a DC character and that he's another marvel stab at superman like hyperion. that seems odd to put in a characters wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentry_%28Robert_Reynolds%29

[Lonewalker]

i went and read wikipedia's page on the sentry, and interestingly enough they have a section dedicated to how he's more of a DC character and that he's another marvel stab at superman like hyperion. that seems odd to put in a characters wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentry_%28Robert_Reynolds%29
Quite unusual, but there are other character entries that have something close to that. Deadpool comes to mind as it has a brief "similarities with Deathstroke" paragraph.

It has been noted that Deadpool shares many similarities with the DC Comics villain Deathstroke particularly in regards to the characters' real names (Deathstroke's being "Slade Wilson" while Deadpool's is "Wade Wilson"). However, since Deadpool's introduction, Deadpool and Deathstroke have developed in vastly different directions.

[Jack]

I don't know much about the character (wasn't reading too many comics at the time), but while I don't have much against the character per se, I don't much like the idea of his being a Johnny Come Lately who was shoehorned into a very critical moment in the history of the DCU.

And as much as I enjoyed JLA YEAR ONE as a story, I was never too keen on the founding lineup of the JLA being Flash (Barry Allen), Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Black Canary, Aquaman, and Martian Manhunter. The founding JLA was and thankfully is again Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, and the Martian Manhunter. The idea that the DCU's most iconic superteam began its existence without its three most iconic heroes just seemed absurd to me.


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)
I love the way that Year One made Dinah a founding Leaguer, personally. It really made her a more important character to the DCU. Especially since it also made her the bridging character from the JSA to the JLA.