Planet Hulk *SP*: Do you agree with what the Illuminati did?

[Dussan]

From my understanding Hulk got shot into space because he is too dangerous for earth.

So does anyone agree with this?

I searched for a thread on this but couldn't find it.

I haven't read much of Planet Hulk, but I have been keeping abreast of things and hope to enjoy it all in TPB form.

I just think that it's pretty messed up what they did to Banner. I have alway viewed Banner as the most tragic of figures in Marvel. A gentle man abused as a child, who goes on to be a good person, then saves the life of a kid only to be turned into a monster for his troubles. Then he is exiled from earth because of this.

[JLarson]

Well, they tried sending him someplace nice...

[mr_evilweed]

If I was in the place of the Illuminati I would have brought Bruce Banner to wherever they meet and told him to look the other way then pull out my Magnum and execute him with a gunshot to the head. Short, Simple, Effective

[Kevinroc]

I think the four of them deserve to be smashed by Hulk.

[dreyga2000]

Hulk has been rampaging across the world for year cusing billions in property damage and all logic dictates that countless innocents should have died of have at least been injured as result of the damage he done in the past years. Yes Hulk has done much good but should all his other crimes else be ignored. A death sentence or regular prison may not apporate for this situation given it could be argued that Bruce isn't really all that sane he should at least be held at some kind of mental facililaty but that probably isn't enough so another form of isolation depite how extreme it may be seems just to me.

[BeastieRunner]

They could ship him to the Negative Zone.

[daniel2099]

doc strage did send him out of our realm
he came back in hulk 200 i think

[Hombre]

doc strage did send him out of our realm
he came back in hulk 200 i think

More like 300. At the time of Hulk 200, the big guy and the dumb magician were friends and allies in the Defenders.

[Wild Card13]

I understand why they did it, but it really doesn't sit right with me. The only option I think that would have been worse would be getting Xavier to mindwipe Banner or something to psychically suppress his Hulk side.

Can't Strange just whip up a spell or something to settle the Hulk issue?

[dingo]

I understand why they did it, but it really doesn't sit right with me. The only option I think that would have been worse would be getting Xavier to mindwipe Banner or something to psychically suppress his Hulk side.

Can't Strange just whip up a spell or something to settle the Hulk issue?

That strikes me as worse. But more practical and permanent.

[ednemo]

Didn't they try shooting Banner in the head and he just became the Hulk and went nuts? I thought I read that in Hulk Oversized HC Vol. 1. And Hulk has been drugged and cast spells on before. It never stops him for very long. The Illuminati did what they thought was best for the planet. I can't fault them for that.

[Wild Card13]

By "settle", I mean cure Banner. And it's not like Banner doesn't want to be cured, I think Reed is still researching for one as a favor to Brucie.

[doomworm]

I remember when I was in...uh, jr. high? Hulk got trapped in the "crossroads" or something otherdimensional. He had a group traveling with him like he does now, but one of them was a little puffball that was intentionally using him and manipulating his emotions. It was pretty weird, but sad, too.

Hopefully something comes of Planet Hulk which resounds with me like that did at the time.



I fully support the bigwigs decision to send him away, because he really IS a danger, and secondarily because they destination they chose was apparently some kind of wonderland. They wanted to help him find a place he could be at peace, while (frankly) sparing earth from his presence.

The decision was win/win...and it's too bad it didn't work out.

Because when he gets back to Earth, I WILL be applauding his actions.

[mrc1214]

There intentions were good but they'll still pay for it.

[phantom1592]

I disagree with the decision. All they did was send the rampaging brute to ANOTHER habitable planet. Shrugging our problems off on someone else.

















They should have shot him into the sun.;)

[ednemo]

Yes, shooting him off to the Sun would have worked. It would also have saved the Earth from the possibility of the Maestro. But, Hulk did manage to do some good and he even learned to soldier possibly paving the way for the Maestro. All in all, shoving the Hulk at a nice Class M-Roddenberry-esque planet would have been nice. He could have sniffed flowers and lived his live out in peace. Until Galactus came by and made him his new and most successful herald.

[Steffen]

Yes, shooting him off to the Sun would have worked. It would also have saved the Earth from the possibility of the Maestro. But, Hulk did manage to do some good and he even learned to soldier possibly paving the way for the Maestro. All in all, shoving the Hulk at a nice Class M-Roddenberry-esque planet would have been nice. He could have sniffed flowers and lived his live out in peace. Until Galactus came by and made him his new and most successful herald.

You know, you just made up a great WHAT IF? story there.

[phantom1592]

Yes, shooting him off to the Sun would have worked. It would also have saved the Earth from the possibility of the Maestro. But, Hulk did manage to do some good and he even learned to soldier possibly paving the way for the Maestro. All in all, shoving the Hulk at a nice Class M-Roddenberry-esque planet would have been nice. He could have sniffed flowers and lived his live out in peace. .

Don't think it would be worth letting him live. So far most of the "good" he's caused was the result of pointing the Death machine at an enemy. Even then the damage is too high.

The sun would have been better :)


Until Galactus came by and made him his new and most successful herald.

Good HEAVEN!:eek: THat is possibly the scariest thing I ever read..... Why oh WHY didn't they aim for the sun!

[XPac]

Though I agree SOMETHING needed to be done about the Hulk, what they did was wrong on so many levels I just can't say it was justified.

Obviously there's the issue of whether or not Hulk deserved it. But that's a grey area... the more prominent moral issue is whether or not the Hulk may end up with deserve it or not. If Hulk is this big problem on earth, who is to say that he won't be wherever he lands?

Basically the Illuminati didn't care as long as it wasn't their problem... and that's where their morals become very questionable.

[ednemo]

Don't think it would be worth letting him live. So far most of the "good" he's caused was the result of pointing the Death machine at an enemy. Even then the damage is too high.

The sun would have been better :)



Good HEAVEN!:eek: THat is possibly the scariest thing I ever read..... Why oh WHY didn't they aim for the sun!

Heh, yeah. The Hulk running around with the Power Cosmic would be interesting to say the least.

[Jake V]

If they didn't send him out into space, there would be no Planet Hulk story to read.

So I approve.

[phantom1592]

I missed the first half (before we knew it was runaway hit :( )

Any word when its going ot come out in some trades?

[jsg2295]

By "settle", I mean cure Banner. And it's not like Banner doesn't want to be cured, I think Reed is still researching for one as a favor to Brucie.
Actually ...I dont think Bruce really wants to be cured. I believe he subconciously hates himself and feels he deserves to be the Hulk.
I think the illuminati did what they felt was right. Especially in lieu of the Civil War .....the threat that the Hulk would do damage.... that would force a situation that eventually came to a boil because of the New Warriors.

[Cavalry Tanker]

Actually ...I dont think Bruce really wants to be cured. I believe he subconciously hates himself and feels he deserves to be the Hulk.
I think the illuminati did what they felt was right. Especially in lieu of the Civil War .....the threat that the Hulk would do damage.... that would force a situation that eventually came to a boil because of the New Warriors.

I never thought about it like that.

I'm an infrequent reader of Hulk. I like the character, but I just can't stay interested in a monthly book about him (I'll probably get Planet Hulk in Trade though).

As for the Illuminati. They did the right thing. I know it bothers people that Hulk's status quo is changed, but don't worry, it'll all be back to normal eventually. MU wise - there just isn't a good option other then killing the Hulk. It's either Exile, or wait for him to break out of a Hulkbuster prison and destroy a city, or wait until Apocylpse or someone like him gets a hold of him and uses him for his own purposes.

[Uncensored]

I absolutely do not agree with what they did. Sending a rampaging monster to another planet where they believed he would be unable to hurt anyone? It just isn't right! They should've given him a time out and sent him to his room-- with no Nintendo or TV for a week!

[riotgear]

I absolutely do not agree with what they did. Sending a rampaging monster to another planet where they believed he would be unable to hurt anyone? It just isn't right! They should've given him a time out and sent him to his room-- with no Nintendo or TV for a week!

There's a flaw in that logic. The Illuminati know better than anyone that Hulk won't do any damage as long as he's left alone. He was living in happiness and solitude in the wilds of Alaska, and they came and condemned him for something he could do. With that logic, Iron Man shouldn't suit up, since he could kill people with all that power. Read current issues of Iron Man to see what I mean.

[Dussan]

Good lord, Hulk with Power Cosmic!

He pwn alll.

[Kirk G]

It occurs to me that they have done this before....
The Hulk was banished to the Crossroads Nexus before, because all trace of Banner's psyche was gone... and then, Alpha Flight snagged him in a clever cross-over that switched creative teams.... and then... oh, it all went downhill after Byrne left the Hulk, but for a while there, it was very very good... for about 6 months... but A.F. sucked.

Anyway, my point was that the good Dr. Strange also helped banish him to "somewhere safe" before. And that didn't work out. The fans hated it, and sales dropped, so, he was brought back. You'd think he'd be wise to it by now.

[Starkicker]

I think I support the Illuminati.
They were saving the earth from a monster and sending a the Hulk to a place where he wouldn't be bothered by anyone. - of course things went wrong and we get Planet Hulk but, it happens.

What they didn't think of was Banner. If the Hulk was sent off to live on a peaceful planet it may make Hulk happy but not Banner, he'd be in exile alone or worse with the Hulk.
In the end the needs of the many out weight the needs of the few but these illuminati can be some cold dudes.

[phantom1592]

What they didn't think of was Banner. If the Hulk was sent off to live on a peaceful planet it may make Hulk happy but not Banner, he'd be in exile alone or worse with the Hulk.
In the end the needs of the many out weight the needs of the few but these illuminati can be some cold dudes.

Yeah Banner may be lonely and sad, but he'd be the FIRST person to support this. PLEASE send him someplace he won't hurt anyone.

[90'sCartoonMan]

They should have shot him into the sun.;)

He would've just smashed it :D

The only thing I think the Illuminati did wrong was not ask Banner. They should've presented their logical argument and let him choose his own uninhabitable world. He DOES want to be left alone, and he doesn't want the Hulk to hurt anyone, so I'm sure he'd agree to it. But even if he doesn't, they should send him off anyway.

[Kevinroc]

He would've just smashed it :D

The only thing I think the Illuminati did wrong was not ask Banner. They should've presented their logical argument and let him choose his own uninhabitable world. He DOES want to be left alone, and he doesn't want the Hulk to hurt anyone, so I'm sure he'd agree to it. But even if he doesn't, they should send him off anyway.

So if Banner didn't want to go, they force him to go anyway?

Huh? That's not really right.

From Banner's/ Hulk's perspective, the "good guys" were asking for help and he had an oppurtunity to help them. It was a good shot at repairing some of the hardships that they had with each other.

And instead, Hulk learns that they were just using him to take care of a problem and then exiled him because he was a "threat."

They used him and then tossed him aside when he did what they wanted.

[dreyga2000]

There's a flaw in that logic. The Illuminati know better than anyone that Hulk won't do any damage as long as he's left alone. He was living in happiness and solitude in the wilds of Alaska, and they came and condemned him for something he could do. With that logic, Iron Man shouldn't suit up, since he could kill people with all that power. Read current issues of Iron Man to see what I mean.

Actually, Hulk has already has caused countless deaths that he was never served judgement way before they blasted them into space... and considering serval of the Ilumanti's members are world leaders I do believe they had juridiscation to punish the Hulk

One consider letting walk free from his crimes is just as bad of a crime... there are many psycotic killers in the Marvel universe with mental problems as bad as Abnner but most them don't get to walk away from all the crimes they do with "charity work" and a guilty consious... Hell I'm surprised the U.N. or any other countries with decent space program hadn't thought about before they did

[steve2275]

You know, you just made up a great WHAT IF? story there.

id buy it......

[ednemo]

id buy it...... Heh, Hey Marvel, if you are interested in the idea just send me some free schwag and it's yours...and have it delivered by Stan Lee.

And read http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=2940442&blogID=140277019&MyToken=879d5c91-7828-4780-8d74-0a82c49300e1 for my wife's account of our trip to Heroes-Con. There's a nice pic of me with Warren Ellis. Man, I look fat and Warren's Head looks huge!

[ivesaidway2much]

Hulk has been rampaging across the world for year cusing billions in property damage and all logic dictates that countless innocents should have died of have at least been injured as result of the damage he done in the past years. Yes Hulk has done much good but should all his other crimes else be ignored. A death sentence or regular prison may not apporate for this situation given it could be argued that Bruce isn't really all that sane he should at least be held at some kind of mental facililaty but that probably isn't enough so another form of isolation depite how extreme it may be seems just to me.
How can you honestly talk about logic and any of the Hulk's actions with a straight face. We are talking about a guy who's very existence violates just about every fundamental law of science. The least of which being the laws of conservation of matter and energy, and the second law of thermodynamics. The fact that the Hulk could even come into being reduces all Marvel U scientific knowledge to the point of fire equals hot and forces every scientist to start over from there. Before you use logic to explain any of the Hulk's activities you might wanna use it to explain how Rick Jones and Bruce Banner surviving direct blast of high energy gamma radiation doesn't destroy thousands(or maybe millions) of years of human scientific advancement.
They should have shot him into the sun.;)
Actually that is the absolute worst idea possible. Even at light speed travel it takes 8 1/2 minutes to reach the sun from Earth. The Hulk absorbs radiation, and as far as I know there is no upper limit to his strength. Just a short burst of gamma radiation from a gamma bomb turned Bruce Banner from a 150 pound weakling into the Incredible Hulk. Another short blast of gamma radiation from made the Hulk even stronger in a recent issue of FF, to the point where the Thing couldn't harm him and he could brush off a close range supernova blast from the Torch. Imagine what 8 1/2 minutes of radiation on the level of 100 trillion+ gamma bombs would do the Hulk.

As for the Illuminati, I'm pretty sure they were trying to kill the Hulk. That's the only explanation I can think of for why they explained there plan to him while he was still in space. I mean, you send a guy out into space with obvious anger management issues in a ship that might as well be made out of tissue paper as far as his strength is concerned and then tell him you're backstabbing him after he saves the world, again. It doesn't take a super genius to figure out what's going to happen next.

[90'sCartoonMan]

So if Banner didn't want to go, they force him to go anyway?

Huh? That's not really right.

When you were a kid, did your parents ever asked you if you wanted to go to the dentist just to make it seem like your choice? And if you said no, they'd force you anyay? I see it like that (it'd be easier on their conscience too).


As for the Illuminati, I'm pretty sure they were trying to kill the Hulk. That's the only explanation I can think of for why they explained there plan to him while he was still in space. I mean, you send a guy out into space with obvious anger management issues in a ship that might as well be made out of tissue paper as far as his strength is concerned and then tell him you're backstabbing him after he saves the world, again. It doesn't take a super genius to figure out what's going to happen next.

I don't think they were trying to kill him. We ARE talking about good guys, remember? They really wanted what's best for Banner and what's safest for the Earth.

[Dussan]

So they set him up and toss him on a uninhabitated planet? Alone.

They basically exiled a man who in his life did nothing wrong.

Banner saves a retard kid from geting nuked, and in the process becomes an uncontrollable monster.

After which he is hunted and hounded. HIs life destroyed becaue of a single samaritan act.

He loses his wife to cancer, technically to Abomination, but Betty gets cancer because of him, and is killed because of him.

He destroys everything he comes in contact with, and it is all beyond his control.

He didn't choose to be the Hulk. It's not his fault that he is this way. Unless they retconned that aspect of his character

[lordlad]

So they set him up and toss him on a uninhabitated planet? Alone.

They basically exiled a man who in his life did nothing wrong.

Banner saves a retard kid from geting nuked, and in the process becomes an uncontrollable monster.

After which he is hunted and hounded. HIs life destroyed becaue of a single samaritan act.

He loses his wife to cancer, technically to Abomination, but Betty gets cancer because of him, and is killed because of him.

He destroys everything he comes in contact with, and it is all beyond his control.

He didn't choose to be the Hulk. It's not his fault that he is this way. Unless they retconned that aspect of his character
u know, like real life, sometimes being a good man doesn't mean u will have a good life.

[Expletive Deleted]

Thing is, as shown in the GIANT-SIZED HULK issue, Banner would've been fine with it. To be exiled to a lush garden planet where he doesn't have to worry about his alter ego hurting anyone? Sure, sign him up. It was Hulk who objected.

Which is part of the fun of "Planet Hulk" for me. Instead of Banner's idea paradise, they accidentally sent him to Hulk's idea of paradise. And, as a result, the whole plot will end up backfiring on them to a colossal extent.

[phantom1592]

So they set him up and toss him on a uninhabitated planet? Alone.

They basically exiled a man who in his life did nothing wrong.

Banner saves a retard kid from geting nuked, and in the process becomes an uncontrollable monster.

After which he is hunted and hounded. HIs life destroyed becaue of a single samaritan act.

He loses his wife to cancer, technically to Abomination, but Betty gets cancer because of him, and is killed because of him.

He destroys everything he comes in contact with, and it is all beyond his control.

He didn't choose to be the Hulk. It's not his fault that he is this way. Unless they retconned that aspect of his character


Well.... He DID create the Gamma Bomb. I wouldn't necessarily call someone dabbling in Weapons of Mass destruction a saint. Iron man and Green Arrow were weapon manufactures at one point too, but had a kind of "revelation" and stopped doing it. I never got that from Banner. I always thought if everything went as it was supposed to, he'd still be making weapons.

Also in those early Hulk appearances He NEEDED to be hunted and Destroyed. It wasn't like they claim now, that Hulk just wanted to be left alone.... Nope. Hulk wanted the world to PAY, and Soon the world will learn to FEAR the Hulk. Ohh Yeah, Call out the tanks....:o

[Lou_Kayge]

Here's what I don't get. I've been reading Marvel for about 30 years and I know I've seen with my own 2 eyes the Hulk be a force of good and save lives. Sometimes intentionally sometimes not. Sometimes by himself,sometimes with the Defenders. Is all of what I've seen a lie? Am I supposed to forget that I HAVE seen the Hulk perform benevolent acts that have helped his fellow earthlings on different levels. I'd rather believe what i saw is true.

[bd2999]

Yeah, I think it was right to do it with all Hulk has done, because enraged he is one of the scariest forces on Earth. Though they are still in trouble if he comes back.

[Kevinroc]

When you were a kid, did your parents ever asked you if you wanted to go to the dentist just to make it seem like your choice? And if you said no, they'd force you anyay? I see it like that (it'd be easier on their conscience too).


That's a faulty analogy. Because of course, my mother would bring me back from the dentist after every visit. I wasn't supposed to be there permanently.

[Will.S]

Thing is, as shown in the GIANT-SIZED HULK issue, Banner would've been fine with it. To be exiled to a lush garden planet where he doesn't have to worry about his alter ego hurting anyone? Sure, sign him up. It was Hulk who objected.

Which is part of the fun of "Planet Hulk" for me. Instead of Banner's idea paradise, they accidentally sent him to Hulk's idea of paradise. And, as a result, the whole plot will end up backfiring on them to a colossal extent.Yeah I'd say the same for me as well.

It's hard for me to come to a conclusion to the Illuminati's actions. Hulk's rampage in Las Vegas is probably one of the most recent and only accounts of Hulk inadvertedly causing deaths so they have a point even pre-Stamford since Hulk has gone too out of control with his personalities almost impossible to pin down.

That said, during that FF book Hulk guest appearance he was actually trying to help with that gamma bomb which was set off remotely and wasn't his fault. Also he did try to help S.H.I.E.L.D. with the Godseye (which was a set-up by Stark and the Illuminati) so he's something of a victim on both ends.

I think their real problem lies with Hulk's unpredictability which is why they planned on sending him into a peaceful planet. You also have to think about how unsuccessful the government's own Hulkbuster units have been as well as having the superhero community ask about his usefulness to them since he's a loner character capable of so much destruction.

[CMBMOOL]

Well someone is going to find out in HULK #100!!!

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