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Tre Styles

08-10-2006, 08:38 AM

Yes, it's "Rogue" Week, but a recent convo in X-Cres prompted me to do this. So love it or leave it, this here is the Monet St. Croix Appreciation Thread.

Monet St. Croix aka M is one of the most popular members of the Generation X team of yesteryear. During her time with GenX, she formed quite a reputation. You can read more of her history below. Currently she is appearing in X-Factor, as a member of the X-Factor Investigations group.

Here's a little info on the fabulous Ms. St. Croix:
from: http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/M_I

So in this thread, show your love for Monet. Your thoughts, your ideas, your favorite issues, your pictures, anything that has to do with Monet St. Croix.:cool:

NewChad

08-10-2006, 08:41 AM

I think Peter David's totally captured the character over in X-Factor at the moment.

The thing that I love about her is her 'I don't care' attitude. She's a mutant, she's beautiful, she's rich. She's Paris Hilton.

And I love when she and Emma Frost fight.

Mariah

08-10-2006, 08:43 AM

I loved M. I especially loved her in Gen. X #1 when she flies down, and bitch slaps Jubilee with insults, and she doesn't even realize she's been owned.

Zombienorthstar

08-10-2006, 08:46 AM

Monet is literally my favourite character..

CHOICE M DIALOGUE:

After the death of Synch...while talking to Jubilee

MONET: Thats easy for you to say. You didnt have what i had with him. You didnt wait your whole life to find someone like him so kind and sweet and smart and sexy. And then have him taken away from you right in front of your eyes! The first and onyl person i have cared about like that in my life and he was just ripped away from me in and instant and i will never EVER see him again. you have no idea what thats like! You dont know how i feel! Do YOU?!?

[We see Jubilees crying face]

MONET: Yes, yes of course you do don't you.

[They hug]

Tre Styles

08-10-2006, 08:49 AM

Monet is literally my favourite character..

CHOICE M DIALOGUE:

I just read that issue last night. It was a great M moment.

Zombienorthstar

08-10-2006, 08:50 AM

I just read that issue last night. It was a great M moment.

Im trying to fisn the issue where she battles Jubes in the danger room the whole 'its my nature' thing...its classic M.

Tre Styles

08-10-2006, 08:52 AM

Im trying to fisn the issue where she battles Jubes in the danger room the whole 'its my nature' thing...its classic M.

That's by Jay Fareber, I think. Drawn by Terry Dodson. The issue # is 48.

Zombienorthstar

08-10-2006, 08:53 AM

That's by Jay Fareber, I think. Drawn by Terry Dodson. The issue # alludes me though.

Are there any collections of Gen X still in print...i had to THROW AWAY most of my collection a few years ago....i think i have two Generation X issues left.

Nobbel

08-10-2006, 08:58 AM

Let's have a Monet week:D

Tre Styles

08-10-2006, 09:04 AM

Are there any collections of Gen X still in print...i had to THROW AWAY most of my collection a few years ago....i think i have two Generation X issues left.

There might be. I'm not sure if there are any trades, but check out your local cbs, or on-line.

Mariah

08-10-2006, 09:08 AM

There might be. I'm not sure if there are any trades, but check out your local cbs, or on-line.
if not, you might be able to get the back issues real cheap

Zombienorthstar

08-10-2006, 09:16 AM

if not, you might be able to get the back issues real cheap

Hmmm probably best then i can pick and choose...i wodner if my uncle manager to sell his....he had all the issues up to 25....

Tre Styles

08-10-2006, 09:18 AM

if not, you might be able to get the back issues real cheap

Definitely the Hamma ones. The Lobdell/Bachalo ones might be a little more pricey.

Mariah

08-10-2006, 09:18 AM

Hmmm probably best then i can pick and choose...i wodner if my uncle manager to sell his....he had all the issues up to 25....
I just finished grabbing the rest of the Lobdell written issues. they we're awesome.

jeangreydp

08-10-2006, 09:19 AM

M is kind of a biyotch, but I like her ok because she thinks Jean is the bomb.

Tre Styles

08-10-2006, 09:20 AM

M is kind of a biyotch, but I like her ok because she thinks Jean is the bomb.

LOL. And just where did she say this at?:cool:

Mariah

08-10-2006, 09:22 AM

M is kind of a biyotch, but I like her ok because she thinks Jean is the bomb.
That's why I love her, she out biyotched Emma, full facial!

Zombienorthstar

08-10-2006, 09:28 AM

Id love it if Monet got the oppurtunity to take the piss out of the Avengers outfits.

Mariah

08-10-2006, 09:30 AM

Id love it if Monet got the oppurtunity to take the piss out of the Avengers outfits.
say what? did I miss something?

Zombienorthstar

08-10-2006, 09:33 AM

say what? did I miss something?

I was just thinking of M situations id love...and Monet making fun of the Avengers would be hysterical.

blinkinrogue

08-10-2006, 09:36 AM

I have always liked M too, she and penance (i wondered what happened to her though she always seemed to have great potential) were my fav in gen x, waayyyyyyyyyyy back when she would always say: There is precious little i dont know.

Of all the memorable quotes she dished out i liked the one posted by somebody in comicboards about in a verbal tussle with (surprise) Emma about ppl changing and stuff.

Tre Styles

08-10-2006, 09:38 AM

This is the only issue of GenX I DON'T have. It's #1/2. I think M played a role in it....

http://tentative.net/mfiles/gallery/genxhalf.jpg

Tre Styles

08-10-2006, 09:40 AM

"The Scorpion and the Fox"-The issue that Zombie was looking for. GenX #48. M vs. Jubilee.

One of my favorites. (for both characters)http://tentative.net/mfiles/gallery/genx48.jpg

Mariah

08-10-2006, 09:42 AM

I love the barbs Jubilee and M had.

Jubilee:"Climbing trees, M? Isn't that, like, totally second grade?"

M:"As the authority on all things immature, Jubilee-- --I'll have to take your word for it."

Tre Styles

08-10-2006, 09:49 AM

Here's a pic that I did of Monet after Ev's death.http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/23523184/?qo=135&q=by%3Atrestyles+sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps

Mariah

08-10-2006, 09:53 AM

Here's a pic that I did of Monet after Ev's death.http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/23523184/?qo=135&q=by%3Atrestyles+sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps
wow, that's really good tre. You're going to art school right?

Tre Styles

08-10-2006, 09:54 AM

wow, that's really good tre. You're going to art school right?
Thanks, I might.Just don't know when i'd find the time.

Mariah

08-10-2006, 09:56 AM

Thanks, I might.Just don't know when i'd find the time.
Well, kick that bitch to the curb, cause you need to!

Zombienorthstar

08-10-2006, 09:57 AM

Here my Monet attempt

http://www.mutanthigh.com/coppermine/albums/art/northstar3.jpg

Mariah

08-10-2006, 09:59 AM

Here my Monet attempt

http://www.mutanthigh.com/coppermine/albums/art/northstar3.jpg
That is so Aaliyah! She would have made an awesome Monet!

Tre Styles

08-10-2006, 09:59 AM

Here my Monet attempt

http://www.mutanthigh.com/coppermine/albums/art/northstar3.jpg

Hot stuff!!!

Tre Styles

08-10-2006, 10:01 AM

Well, kick that bitch to the curb, cause you need to!

lol. I would never. And my drawings have gotten much better since then. lol.

Zombienorthstar

08-10-2006, 10:01 AM

Can anyone else write out that choice piece of dailogue from 'the fox and the scorpion'?

blinkinrogue

08-10-2006, 10:09 AM

Zombienorthstar

08-10-2006, 10:13 AM

Possible M casting choices:

Michele Kelly:

http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/35/84/32m.jpg

Ciara:

http://www.freshhiphopnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/ciara.jpg

Atom_basher

08-10-2006, 10:20 AM

Ive always imagined Aaliyah as M and there isnt many other people i could see filling the role, but if i was forced to make a choice i would cast

http://eur.i1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/ng/mo/premiere_photo/20060508/08/1461480686.jpg
http://www.boedai.com/Zoe-Saldaqa01-bio-pic.jpg

Zoe Saldana

Callisto

08-10-2006, 10:28 AM

Monet is literally my favourite character..

CHOICE M DIALOGUE:

i hated that scene, it seemed so utterly forced. i have to say that i adored monet, i just wish they gave her a steady power set. oh, and i loved her x-corps outfit, out of all the characters i felt it looked the best on M.

Tre Styles

08-10-2006, 10:35 AM

maybe u know what issue that M quote was coz i cant seem to find it on google.

It went something like this, i forgot the actual conversation...

Emma: You don't believe i have changed? (or something like that)

Monet: I dont think people change. They just get better at hiding their true self. (or something to that effect)

If you could help me id really appreciate it. thanks.

It's familiar. I have a few of my GenX issues with me, but the rest are in storage.(I'm in the moving process) I definitely think it was one of the Lobdell issues though. But I'll check.

Tre Styles

08-10-2006, 10:36 AM

NewChad

08-10-2006, 10:39 AM

It's familiar. I have a few of my GenX issues with me, but the rest are in storage.(I'm in the moving process) I definitely think it was one of the Lobdell issues though. But I'll check.

Yup, it was definitely Lobdell and Bachalo.

Quite early in the run if I remember correctly.

jeangreydp

08-10-2006, 01:25 PM

LOL. And just where did she say this at?:cool:

You know I don't have an issue number or a quote I just recall her having much respect for Jean when they met up in New X-men (Morisson's run) which I in turn have much respect for.

Zombienorthstar

08-10-2006, 02:24 PM

You know I don't have an issue number or a quote I just recall her having much respect for Jean when they met up in New X-men (Morisson's run) which I in turn have much respect for.

Oh yeah i remember now.....when they were down in the tunnel after darkstars death...jean sort of came and saved Monet.

Haunt

08-10-2006, 03:14 PM

Can anyone else write out that choice piece of dailogue from 'the fox and the scorpion'?

scorpion was walking along the bank of a river, wondering how to get to the other side. Suddenly, he saw a fox. He asked the fox to take him on his back across the river.

The fox said, "No. If I do that, you'll sting me, and I'll drown."

The scorpion assured him, "If I do that, we'll both drown."

The fox thought about it and finally agreed. So the scorpion climbed up on his back, and the fox began to swim. But halfway across the river, the scorpion stung him. As poison filled his veins, the fox turned to the scorpion and said, "Why did you do that? Now you'll drown, too."

"I couldn't help it," said the scorpion. "It's my nature."

as far as casting, i haven't a clue. maybe Meagan Goode (D.E.B.S)
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0326769/Ss/0326769/CT-2242.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Good,%20Meagan
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0328709/
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/3085/Events/3085/JerryManue_Caulf_4932992_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Good,%20Meagan

Atom_basher

08-10-2006, 03:59 PM

Meagen goode would be a great choice, but i dont think sher would be able to get M's snootyness as good as Zoe Saldana could

jawbreaker

08-10-2006, 08:44 PM

I like M too, she was the perfect contrast to Jubes...

streator

08-10-2006, 09:47 PM

Tre Styles

08-10-2006, 10:03 PM

i've never really liked monet.
i've read just about every issue she's been in and can't remember ever thinking she was a worthwhile character.
i'd have to say that she's one of the more disposable characters in x-factor right now as well.
outside of saving rictor, she hasn't done a whole lot.
*ahem* The title of this thread, is the Monet St. Croix Appreciation Thread, streator. While we(The Monet St. Croix for President of the World Comittee) are enlightened and thrilled by your comments, if you don't have anything nice to say about Monet, then don't say it in this thread. Feel free to hate somewhere else. Thank you for your time. ;) LOL! =This is the type of thing M would have us say.

j/k sorta.

P.S.
And I would hardly call her "disposable". She was one of the most primary factors in solving the Tryp case, in issue #4.

streator

08-10-2006, 10:22 PM

*ahem* The title of this thread, is the Monet St. Croix Appreciation Thread, streator. While we(The Monet St. Croix for President of the World Comittee) are enlightened and thrilled by your comments, if you don't have anything nice to say about Monet, then don't say it in this thread. Feel free to hate somewhere else. Thank you for your time. ;) LOL! =This is the type of thing M would have us say.

j/k sorta.

P.S.
And I would hardly call her "disposable". She was one of the most primary factors in solving the Tryp case, in issue #4.
alright.
i'll leave the thread for positive comments.
and i forgot about monet confronting jack vaughn in issue 4, so yes she did do something then.
enjoy yourselves.

rilokyle

08-10-2006, 11:11 PM

I've always loved Monet. She was very mysterious and came off as a total loner and snob. I love seeing her vulnerable side though, cos lets face it, she's been through a lot. Ever since her first appearance in Uncanny 316, I've been drawn to her, and I'm glad PAD has gotten a hold of her and is using her, as he writes her perfectly. If I was a mutant, I'd want to be Monet, just cos she seems so..... cool. :cool:

Oliverhannah

08-11-2006, 07:45 AM

I love her so much! I am big fan of her!!

Im want her join AXM!!

Im so glad that M appear in XM:TE!!

Rumor say Monet will appear X-Men 3 but it not true!!:mad: :mad: :mad:

Arrjay

08-11-2006, 01:01 PM

Zombienorthstar posted this and it awesome:

MONET: Thats easy for you to say. You didnt have what i had with him. You didnt wait your whole life to find someone like him so kind and sweet and smart and sexy. And then have him taken away from you right in front of your eyes! The first and onyl person i have cared about like that in my life and he was just ripped away from me in and instant and i will never EVER see him again. you have no idea what thats like! You dont know how i feel! Do YOU?!?

And M totally rocks.

That is all.

Tre Styles

08-12-2006, 10:02 PM

Mia

08-13-2006, 11:43 AM

I like this thread.

Can someone tell me what TPB and books she's been in since Gen X. Thanks in advance.

neptune

08-13-2006, 03:45 PM

I do like the character but seriously: What's the point of her having so many powers?

Unkillable Cat

08-13-2006, 04:17 PM

Zombienorthstar

08-13-2006, 04:55 PM

I think she's supposed to symbolize perfection in every possible manner.

The only problem is that she knows that. Hence the attitude.

One question though: Where does this stuff that she's born in Bosnia come from anyway?

Shes not....shes Yugoslavian....shes got several passports...her father is a diplomat.

I love the fact sh has loads of powers...usually i hate super powerful characters but i think its part of her charm,

Volk1

08-13-2006, 05:41 PM

Shes not....shes Yugoslavian....shes got several passports...her father is a diplomat.

Well her place of birth is the present city of Sarajevo, Bosnia which annexed itself from the former Yugoslovia. I don't think Monet sees herself as Yugoslovian or Bosnian though even though she has the passport. I would think she sees herself more so French-Algerian.

And all those actresses for Monet are nice, but I'm not sure that Monet is African anything. She's Algerian yeah, but I don't think she's...black-African but more so from Northern-African roots: closer to Berber/Arab.

The way she's depicted now in X-Factor I think, is right.

streator

08-13-2006, 08:03 PM

I like this thread.

Can someone tell me what TPB and books she's been in since Gen X. Thanks in advance.
going from memory and issue covers...

uncanny x-men 403-406
uncanny x-men 410-412
new x-men (x-men 2nd series) 128-131
...

x-factor (3rd series) 2-current.

those arcs (or tpb's) were, i think, "x-corps", "hope" and whatever those nxm issues were collected as. i'm not sure if x-factor (3rd series) has had a tpb yet.

Mia

08-14-2006, 04:20 AM

Thank you very much!

Zombienorthstar

08-14-2006, 04:21 AM

Well her place of birth is the present city of Sarajevo, Bosnia which annexed itself from the former Yugoslovia. I don't think Monet sees herself as Yugoslovian or Bosnian though even though she has the passport. I would think she sees herself more so French-Algerian.

And all those actresses for Monet are nice, but I'm not sure that Monet is African anything. She's Algerian yeah, but I don't think she's...black-African but more so from Northern-African roots: closer to Berber/Arab.

The way she's depicted now in X-Factor I think, is right.

Good point...though im guessing it was Yugoslavia at the time of her birth.

Unkillable Cat

08-14-2006, 05:15 AM

Thanks, but what I was looking for, was a source of reference. A Marvel issue where this is stated, for example.

Zombienorthstar

08-14-2006, 03:46 PM

Thanks, but what I was looking for, was a source of reference. A Marvel issue where this is stated, for example.

Generation x #46

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/genx/genx46.jpg

Haunt

08-14-2006, 03:50 PM

I do like the character but seriously: What's the point of her having so many powers?

she only has the one power; she's perfect.

Mariah

08-15-2006, 12:25 AM

she only has the one power; she's perfect.
Finally, a character that came along that I could relate too. I too know the harshness the world can be to those of us who are perfect.

Faded

08-15-2006, 02:40 AM

I love her! She's witty and tough but I wouldn't say she's not heartless. With her in the spotlight again, she's regained the role as my favorite character.

Zombienorthstar

08-15-2006, 10:10 AM

My local comic book shop has NO Generation X back issues...AT ALL.

Affinity

08-15-2006, 10:37 AM

!!! FADED SIGHTING reported @ 4:40 AM! *contacts police*

Hey, Fay!

Erm...yeah. I sure do love the Monet. Her name is fun to say. MONET.

Faded

08-16-2006, 12:11 AM

*giggles*

Hey Finnster! How ya beaan?

Yeah I like her name too. It'd be so weird if the 't' wasn't silent and I've been saying it in my head incorrectly all this time.

Erik Lehnsherr

08-17-2006, 09:08 AM

I love her conceit, her obvious intelligence, and her powers are great. She needs a limited series...QUICK!

Alex A Sanchez

08-17-2006, 12:42 PM

I love her conceit, her obvious intelligence, and her powers are great. She needs a limited series...QUICK!

Its interesting that Magneto is such a fan of an X-woman. A much younger X-woman, I might add.

I'm sure many people will be pleased to know that PAD posted under another topic in this forum that there will be a storyline focused on Monet sometime after issue #13. Yes boys and girls, you read it here first (unless, of course, you previously read it elsewhere, in which case you read it there first).

HellFrost

08-17-2006, 10:40 PM

Zombienorthstar

08-18-2006, 08:43 AM

Monet is perfect. I love her but there's too much confusion about her powers. I'd like someone to actually say what she can lift. And I'd like to think she could lift more that 10 tons. And she has to be faster than subsonic. She picked up Jubilee and carried out of the way of a bullet for christs sake.

I can see M's powers and money being Avengers material but would rather her become an actual X-Man or HellFire Club member along with Roberto if anything.

I like the ambiguity...i like the idea that her powers are like Gladiators in that they are all to do with her arrogance...if she believes she can lift 10 tons she can. If she believes she can fly (if she believes she can touch the sky) she can...

Erik Lehnsherr

08-18-2006, 11:28 AM

Its interesting that Magneto is such a fan of an X-woman. A much younger X-woman, I might add.

I'm sure many people will be pleased to know that PAD posted under another topic in this forum that there will be a storyline focused on Monet sometime after issue #13. Yes boys and girls, you read it here first (unless, of course, you previously read it elsewhere, in which case you read it there first).

Even if Magneto liked her in that capacity, it wouldn't really be that bad. He's physically mid 30s while Monet is what? 21, right now? That's more acceptable than Xavier wanting to secretly be with Jean Grey during her teenage years.

Anon_me

08-20-2006, 08:07 PM

Just my little contribution...

http://members.shaw.ca/lsyw/Fan/Monet_01.jpg

Affinity

08-20-2006, 08:49 PM

Hot BEYOND REASON!

Amazing!

Mariah

08-20-2006, 08:51 PM

Wow, anon. That's gorgeous. You should post some stuff and submit it to Marvel. I love your take on Dazzler.

Callisto

08-20-2006, 10:44 PM

she only has the one power; she's perfect.

um....what?

Callisto

08-20-2006, 10:54 PM

I like the ambiguity...i like the idea that her powers are like Gladiators in that they are all to do with her arrogance...if she believes she can lift 10 tons she can. If she believes she can fly (if she believes she can touch the sky) she can...

that would be cool ,if her powers were shown to work that way, but there not. i must say that i do like the way monet flies or should i say freezes herself in air in the x-factor comic it makes her seem alot more different the typical flying mutant.

Alex A Sanchez

08-21-2006, 02:26 PM

Even if Magneto liked her in that capacity, it wouldn't really be that bad. He's physically mid 30s while Monet is what? 21, right now? That's more acceptable than Xavier wanting to secretly be with Jean Grey during her teenage years.

Whoa whoa whoa!!! What did I miss here? When was Xavier's secret lust revealed? I was just joking about the whole Magneto thing- I didn't realize it was a reality with Charles. Is this one of the reasons none of the X-men like him these days

Shane Shooter

08-21-2006, 02:36 PM

Whoa whoa whoa!!! What did I miss here? When was Xavier's secret lust revealed? I was just joking about the whole Magneto thing- I didn't realize it was a reality with Charles. Is this one of the reasons none of the X-men like him these days

Nah only Jean knows ..... I think it was somewhere around 308-310 before the wedding, he revealed it to her .... but I vaguely remember it getting more complicated during ONSLAUGHT .... other people might actually know I'm not sure

CE_Rap

08-21-2006, 05:45 PM

I believe it was Onslaught who revealed it to Jean when he first met her face to face [or mind to mind]. I can't remember the number, but its teh one with the cover where it looks like Onslaught is holding Jean in his hand.

CE_Rap

08-21-2006, 05:49 PM

Issue #53. Besides the old comic, this issue was teh first time it was readdressed right?

*sorry if the pic is too small

Tre Styles

08-21-2006, 06:29 PM

Just my little contribution...

http://members.shaw.ca/lsyw/Fan/Monet_01.jpg

I love it! Awesome job Anon!

Erik Lehnsherr

08-22-2006, 09:12 AM

Nice art, Anon. I love looking at all different depictions of Princess Monet. I love Joe Mad's Monet the best. That's the way she should ALWAYS be drawn.

Wind-Breaker

08-22-2006, 10:20 PM

I will be collecting M quotes so that I can place them on this thread for some Monet goodness. And has anybody seen "Step Up"? the black girl co-star, what IS her name? I was thinking that she'd make a great M.

You mean Drew Sidora?

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0462590/ts40x50199.jpg
http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/2332/DrewSidora_McCar_2065685_400.jpg
http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/2332/DrewSidora_McCar_2065707_400.jpg

she'd be a nice choice
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I've been a long time fan of M as well. Although I've always thought that Stacey Dash would make a good M. She's played a few roles that are some ways similar to the character.

http://www.geocities.com/dashstacey/p01.jpg

fishtaco

08-23-2006, 10:17 AM

Monet is cool, but I've never been able to actually connect with the character that much. Maybe it's because I'm a Jubilee fan. :p

EDIT: That's really good, Anon.

Zombienorthstar

08-23-2006, 10:18 AM

Monet is cool, but I've never been able to actually connect with the character that much. Maybe it's because I'm a Jubilee fan. :p

I think that automatically puts you at odds with her. I also think its hard to connect to a characters whos main personality attribute is to be a stone cold bitch. But somehow i manage :D

Tre Styles

08-23-2006, 09:30 PM

You mean Drew Sidora?

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0462590/ts40x50199.jpg
http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/2332/DrewSidora_McCar_2065685_400.jpg
http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/2332/DrewSidora_McCar_2065707_400.jpg

she'd be a nice choice

Yeah, I thought she defintely had a "M" sorta vibe....although she wasn't too much Monet, I could see her pulling it off.
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I've been a long time fan of M as well. Although I've always thought that Stacey Dash would make a good M. She's played a few roles that are some ways similar to the character.

http://www.geocities.com/dashstacey/p01.jpg

I mentioned Stacy as a choice back in an old thread (one of the X-Cresees or something), so that's a good catch.

Anon_me

08-25-2006, 08:54 PM

Thanks for the kind words, all.

Did a wallpaper (http://members.shaw.ca/lsyw/wallpaper/Wallpaper_Monet_01.jpg) as well =)

Erik Lehnsherr

08-26-2006, 09:50 PM

Whoa whoa whoa!!! What did I miss here? When was Xavier's secret lust revealed? I was just joking about the whole Magneto thing- I didn't realize it was a reality with Charles. Is this one of the reasons none of the X-men like him these days

Read X-Men #53 for the reveletion and #57 to see more of Jean's reaction. It's comical. Xavier, the patron saint at the time, exposed as wanting to sleep with a girl he has titled "a daughter" in the past. Shame on you, Charlie:evilsmile .

Affinity

08-26-2006, 09:59 PM

Thanks for the kind words, all.

Did a wallpaper (http://members.shaw.ca/lsyw/wallpaper/Wallpaper_Monet_01.jpg) as well =)
Hot! I'll be sure to use it once September comes 'round.

Tre Styles

10-30-2006, 09:19 PM

This thing with Monet and Jamie....is it going to last or is it the makings of a disaster?

I think disaster.

Faded

10-30-2006, 09:56 PM

Disaster.

I was really liking their developing friendship, so its a little unfortunate they hooked up. :\

But @#!* happens.

curefreak

10-30-2006, 10:06 PM

I wouldnt mind having sexual relations with Monet (like i would stand a chance) but thats about the only thing that interests me about her, shes way to powerfull for an x-man.

blinkinrogue

10-31-2006, 05:53 AM

Faded

10-31-2006, 09:22 AM

I wouldnt mind having sexual relations with Monet (like i would stand a chance) but thats about the only thing that interests me about her, shes way to powerfull for an x-man.

Most of the mainstay X-Men are probably more or just as powerful as her.

Should she not be a part of X-Factor anymore, I hope she joins the X-Men. It's 'bout time!

curefreak

10-31-2006, 09:26 AM

Most of the mainstay X-Men are probably more or just as powerful as her.

Should she not be a part of X-Factor anymore, I hope she joins the X-Men. It's 'bout time!
I really dont think thats true, but she rarely put her powers to the test in generation x so its hard for me to say.

Faded

10-31-2006, 09:44 AM

I really dont think thats true, but she rarely put her powers to the test in generation x so its hard for me to say.

Well, she's no Storm, Wolverine, Phoenix, or Iceman that's for sure (power-wise).

Tre Styles

10-31-2006, 01:51 PM

I was wondering when you could come up with the M quotes? I hope you could help me find that one with her and Emma during one of their numerous verbal tussles, about the whole changing one's self bit. Also have u read my post in M's healing ability? what do you think about her sleeping with Madrox? thanks.

I'm going to get the M quotes when I get the time to pull them up. But there is a M website out there with them. I'll try to find it. The changing one's self bit I think happened in #18, 19 , or 20 of GENX I believe. I did read some of the thread on M's healing ability. I don't think it's been actually shown in a book that she has healing abilities, but I'm not surprised. Her sleeping with Madrox is going to be a disaster, as I said above. Because M gets attached to certain people, and when she finds out that Madrox is detached from the feelings of his dupes, who she slept with, then it's going to be really awkward. Especially since Siryn also was with him. It's going to be ugly.:cool:

Slung

10-31-2006, 03:09 PM

I found some of nice moments of Monet - Bachalo is the definitive artist for her I think.

Enjoy!

http://tentative.net/mfiles/interior/zonedout.jpg

http://www.thibaut-cousin.net/xmen_images/Monet_genx.jpg

http://tentative.net/mfiles/relations/emma.jpg

http://tentative.net/mfiles/relations/gateway.jpg

blinkinrogue

10-31-2006, 06:07 PM

hehe classic monet... sorry tres just read your post i kinda looked at the healing factor first. yeah i kinda find it weird that most of the sites list a healing factor, when i have never seen her use it before, coz in the first place, ive never seen her really injured to even use it. ANyway, i read that quote about changing ones self in comicboards, and it made me laugh out loud hehe, when written right, she is perfect (wait, she already is no matter who the writer is).

And i sort of disagree with a post above. though M can be beaten by those mentioned x-men, she too has the potential to beat them too, but not simultaneously off course... power-wise she has enough (or more than enough?) to hold her own.

Oliverhannah

11-02-2006, 04:37 AM

I like to see Monet have a new powers – Shadow Form with red M tattoo like same as Rachel and Psylocke shadow form with tattoo, u know what i mean. What do u reckon? Yea..why not! lol :cool:

Zombienorthstar

11-02-2006, 04:51 AM

blinkinrogue

11-02-2006, 09:04 AM

has anybody noticed c. bachalo doesnt draw like that anymore? i bet if he drew M now, shed look totally different

Tre Styles

11-03-2006, 07:13 AM

has anybody noticed c. bachalo doesnt draw like that anymore? i bet if he drew M now, shed look totally different

He stopped drawing Monet in the classic GENX style looong time ago. Back when James Robinson took over. All the GENX teens looked like the Muppet Babies almost. But he's getting back closer to his original style in X-Men, so maybe we'll see that version of M again.

Tre Styles

11-03-2006, 07:24 AM

This is what I'm talking about....

Before: http://tentative.net/mfiles/interior/droppingin.jpg
After:http://tentative.net/mfiles/interior/tickles.jpg

Tre Styles

11-03-2006, 07:27 AM

Aww..:cool:

http://tentative.net/mfiles/interior/kissing.jpg

blinkinrogue

11-03-2006, 09:42 AM

um, did u post pics? cant seem to view them...

Tre Styles

11-03-2006, 12:24 PM

um, did u post pics? cant seem to view them...

I can see them just fine, maybe it was down for a moment?:confused:

Kaos

11-03-2006, 12:30 PM

well I can't see them dammit

Faded

11-03-2006, 12:36 PM

I can't see them in Tre's post either, but if you quote him you can get the URLs. ;)

http://tentative.net/mfiles/interior/droppingin.jpg
http://tentative.net/mfiles/interior/tickles.jpg

Kaos

11-03-2006, 12:45 PM

so does anyone wanna give me they generation x collection...eh, tre *nudge* *nudge* *wink* *hint* *hint*!! :)

Kaos

11-03-2006, 12:48 PM

This is what I'm talking about....

Before: http://tentative.net/mfiles/interior/droppingin.jpg
After:http://tentative.net/mfiles/interior/tickles.jpg

after isn't so bad....well it is how I first saw generation x drawn..i came in late

Faded

11-03-2006, 01:09 PM

Does anyone else really like M's current/soon-to-be-former costume in X-Factor? I think its pefect for her. I'm gonna miss it. :o

Tre Styles

11-03-2006, 01:47 PM

so does anyone wanna give me they generation x collection...eh, tre *nudge* *nudge* *wink* *hint* *hint*!! :)

Sure you can have the HAMA issues with the POOKA. Great storyline.:p

Tre Styles

11-03-2006, 01:48 PM

I can't see them in Tre's post either, but if you quote him you can get the URLs. ;)

http://tentative.net/mfiles/interior/droppingin.jpg
http://tentative.net/mfiles/interior/tickles.jpg

lol. Thanks Faded. WOW, no one can see them but me?!? That's some freaky sh.....shananigans.:rolleyes: :eek: :cool:

Tre Styles

11-03-2006, 01:49 PM

after isn't so bad....well it is how I first saw generation x drawn..i came in late

Before is the Monet that most of us fell in loooooooooooooooove with. Until I found out she was actually 2 8 yr olds. eww. But then she came back as a hottie again, and I was in loooooooooooooooooove all over.:p

Slung

11-03-2006, 01:52 PM

lol. Thanks Faded. WOW, no one can see them but me?!? That's some freaky sh.....shananigans.:rolleyes: :eek: :cool:
I tried posting some images of Monet from M-Files also and they disappeared soon after as well. It's odd how few Monet pictures can be found.

Tre Styles

11-03-2006, 01:57 PM

I tried posting some images of Monet from M-Files also and they disappeared soon after as well. It's odd how few Monet pictures can be found.

I aim to change that. (And I can still see 2 of your pictures, and all three of mine. We must have secret M-Vision.);)

Slung

11-03-2006, 02:07 PM

I aim to change that. (And I can still see 2 of your pictures, and all three of mine. We must have secret M-Vision.);)
We must be the only "real" fans of M! ;)

Tre Styles

11-03-2006, 02:10 PM

We must be the only "real" fans of M! ;)

haha. I was just thinking that after I posted.

Only the REAL M Fans can see the pictures posted.

of course, we are kidding...

...

mostly.:evilsmile

Kaos

11-03-2006, 02:59 PM

lies...all lies

Oliverhannah

01-25-2007, 04:42 PM

i love her new uniform it fab!
i love it! :D

Damn, i want Mike bring her on his X-Men as guest or join the team :p lol

Mikl C

01-25-2007, 04:50 PM

Ah. M. Mutant League team-member. She's all sorts of awesome.

blinkinrogue

01-26-2007, 06:37 AM

hi guys u might want to check the latest issue of X-factor if you havent yet... M did something there that im sure will get mixed reviews from her fans.

Atom_basher

01-26-2007, 06:45 AM

hi guys u might want to check the latest issue of X-factor if you havent yet... M did something there that im sure will get mixed reviews from her fans.

I loved what she did, i kept re reading teh page laughing so hard maybe because im partly sadist

Callisto

01-26-2007, 11:38 AM

i rather enjoyed that scene,perfectly in character.

Tre Styles

01-26-2007, 10:50 PM

Ah. M. Mutant League team-member. She's all sorts of awesome.

Yes, you stole her from us. :p

Tre Styles

01-26-2007, 10:53 PM

hi guys u might want to check the latest issue of X-factor if you havent yet... M did something there that im sure will get mixed reviews from her fans.

I think this issue was one of the best Monet that David has written. Especially the scene with her and Siryn talking, and she basically insults Siryn in that way that only a St. Croix can. Do we love Monet, yes, yes, we do......

as far as that "other" thing goes, well, it seemed in character to me, especially all that she's been through. Monet would do that..:cool:

Erik Lehnsherr

01-26-2007, 10:55 PM

I saw the graphic of what happened in X-Factor #15 and I think it works for M. Everyone deserves to be put in their proper place and that joke had it coming. M is my favorite standout in the X-Universe right now.

Faded

01-26-2007, 11:22 PM

Ah. M. Mutant League team-member. She's all sorts of awesome.

You can't lose.

Except against Sage. No one wins against Sage. :(

blinkinrogue

03-02-2007, 09:43 AM

i think that, based on the PD interview that he is not sure if M has tK or not, i suspect that he just might establish M's powers to all be psionic in nature. I think that would be interesting because scott lobdell himself has not established TK as one of her powers, nor have i seen her lift an object with her mind, but i posted in another thread that i find it strange that there were no bullet holes on her shirt when she faced those cops in france, so either the artist forgot to put them, or indeed, it's a hint that M indeed has TK... one thing though, can TK make you see in the dark or help you retain information better????

Greg Anderson

03-02-2007, 11:35 AM

Ah man, sign me up for the Monet Appreciate after that act of awesomeness in #16 of X-Factor crucifying that mutant murder. What a scene!:eek:

blinkinrogue

03-02-2007, 11:39 AM

yeah, and its a good thing she didnt kill him too...

blinkinrogue

03-28-2007, 03:17 PM

I will be collecting M quotes so that I can place them on this thread for some Monet goodness. And has anybody seen "Step Up"? the black girl co-star, what IS her name? I was thinking that she'd make a great M.

tre, have you seen that M quote i was asking you about? the one with emma asking her if she really thought she had changed??? wow i cant believe this has been several months old hehe...

oopppsss i just found it, generation x #48, but i cant find the exact quote....

Tre Styles

03-28-2007, 03:49 PM

tre, have you seen that M quote i was asking you about? the one with emma asking her if she really thought she had changed??? wow i cant believe this has been several months old hehe...

oopppsss i just found it, generation x #48, but i cant find the exact quote....

I thought I had posted it. LOL. Wow, you are good at reminding me of things...Anyways, I do remember looking for it, but couldn't find it. GenX #48, I have that somewhere....

blinkinrogue

03-28-2007, 03:53 PM

ok.... rubs hands in anticipation..... :) , actually i was supposed to remind u of something else, but then i changed my mind coz i had been looking for the quote this past few hours.... :)

blinkinrogue

03-28-2007, 03:54 PM

ooopsss... my mistake... its #46, not 48...... sorry

jarrod

03-28-2007, 05:04 PM

blinkinrogue

03-28-2007, 05:08 PM

yes coz her tshirt did nt have bullet holes in em, so logically it might be TK, though not tactile alone i think coz she has the night vision thing, telepathy etc. so maybe just really, really broad psionic powers (if she can lift herself via TK, she has yet to show lifting objects with TK, which kinda confuses me what her powers really are, but for now the wide array of powers "not related" to each other works fine for me).... :)

jarrod

03-28-2007, 05:28 PM

Well, it'd explain her physical abilities all at once. Telekinetics also having telepathy isn't exactly odd either, though it'd be a nicely different spin than the usual Jean/Rachel setup.

blinkinrogue

03-28-2007, 06:05 PM

and i think its weird, in this particular issue when M fought Emplate and his hellions, in a particular issue, i think she was carrying artie and leech and flying, somehow leech's power didnt affect her, im not sure if it was artie and leech or just artie, but im sure leech was there right next to her yet she still could fly, but leech's power could affect that bulwark (????) guy....

blinkinrogue

04-01-2007, 08:09 AM

instead of making another thread, I'll it it here. do u guys think Monet would make a kick@ss black queen (and no, its not because of her dark, creamy, flawless skin)? I mean she has it all, beauty, a dozen powers, and a really, really rich and influential father, I think she would be an asset to the Hellfire Club if she decided to join (but im glad she has not... yet....)

Oh, and mariah, thanks again for nominating M :)

Karthak

04-01-2007, 09:57 AM

blinkinrogue

04-01-2007, 10:05 AM

when did he learn to control this? coz this issue was, like in 1995 (????) or something? could he control it way back during the time of gen x 1 or something that is recent?

blinkinrogue

04-28-2007, 01:03 AM

madrox1977

04-28-2007, 01:48 AM

Re-read the X-factor series last night, and im loving PAD's take on Monet, if anything she has developed a sense of humour, whilst retaining her sarcastic bitchy streak, also loved her vunerability during the Doc Samson interviews.

Slung

04-28-2007, 02:06 AM

i stopped reading gen x after #20, so i was wondering if the "real" Monet displayed the same level of intelligence she did as the "twins posing as Monet" version in the earlier appearances of Gen X?

I asked this question because if M still had her superior intelligence, i havent seen Peter David tackle this yet (well except maybe for a minor example of M figuring out simpleton in that crossword puzzle). I dont know if it was to highlight Layla miller's abilities more (though knowing stuff in her case implies some for of precognition), but do you guys think PAD should showcase more of her intelligence? This was one aspect of "M" that i really liked in the earlier issues of gen x, so IMO i hope PAD decides to write her being more tactical and cerebral in the future issues....

Yeah, I'd like to see her superior intellect as well. She was supposed to be on par with Hank (or the twins version was - but I usually ignore that terrible retcon anyway) as far as intelligence goes. She is also supposed to "know things" but I guess that Layla got to take Monet to town with that one. I'd like to see something that highlights that it used to be Monet who always 'knows things' and that it annoys her that Layla has taken her MO.

blinkinrogue

04-28-2007, 02:14 AM

Slung

04-28-2007, 02:29 AM

true, thats why i think PAD decided to "downgrade" her superior intellect for the moment (or maybe he is just waiting for the perfect time for her to do it) to highlight layla's knowing stuff routine, but with the skills monet exhibited in gen next and early issues of gen x, she is potentially the best detective they have on that team...

Maybe someone should remind PAD that Monet used to "know stuff" and have superior genius-level intelligence. It could be an interesting play between Layla and M. In Age of Apcoalypse Monet was called "Know-It-All."

Heck, Lobdell said that Monet could possibly go toe-to-toe with Juggernaut in the strength department (think that might be a bit of stretch, but it shows how strong she possibly is) and we haven't seen her do anything that strong in a long time.

I actually wish PAD wasn't relying so much on her telepathy - that always seemed a more low-level skill (her psi powers seemed less defined and I liked that, more like how a normal person's mind might evolve into something superior if they were "perfect" but not such a normal telepathy as it was later handled).

blinkinrogue

04-28-2007, 02:42 AM

i agree, though with the strength, Monet should be stronger now since her earlier appearances (most super-strong characters tend to become stronger later on, e.g. she-hulk and colossus, so why not her), though if you make her too strong and too intelligent, that would sort of make guido ang layla a "little redundant"

I also agree that her telepathic skills were not at that level early on, but who knows, maybe she developed it too (at the cost of her superior intellect perhaps??? :) )....

also, PAD hopefully follows on the twins and here's hoping m gets to meet hollow one day... that'd be COOL....

Flâneur

04-28-2007, 02:49 AM

Maybe someone should remind PAD that Monet used to "know stuff" and have superior genius-level intelligence. It could be an interesting play between Layla and M. In Age of Apcoalypse Monet was called "Know-It-All."
Wasn't Know-It-All supposed to be M's little sister? Claudette or something.

Heck, Lobdell said that Monet could possibly go toe-to-toe with Juggernaut in the strength department (think that might be a bit of stretch, but it shows how strong she possibly is) and we haven't seen her do anything that strong in a long time.
I'd hate it if she got that strong; even Rogue's old strength level would be too much when you consider all the skills she has. A juggernaut strength character with telepathy, flight and genius level intellect would be massive overkill.

blinkinrogue

04-28-2007, 03:01 AM

I think t-i-a in AOA is monet.

maybe increase m's lifting range, from "10" to like "20-30."

Flâneur

04-28-2007, 04:26 AM

I think t-i-a in AOA is monet.

maybe increase m's lifting range, from "10" to like "20-30."

Shouldn't 'our' Monet be able to do the computer merge thing as well then?

blinkinrogue

04-28-2007, 04:47 AM

Shouldn't 'our' Monet be able to do the computer merge thing as well then?

who knows what our girl can or cannot do? hehehehe :) IS THERE ANYTHING she cant do???? :)

oh, and about the twins, im not sure about this but according to wiki:

Age of Apocalypse
In the harsh world known as the Age of Apocalypse, Monet was known as Know-It-All and was part of Generation Next, having merged with the team's computer system. She risked her life to search the databases of Apocalypse, a task which ended in her destruction at the hands of the Shadow King. Strangley her real name was given as Claudia.

Know-It-All, Art by Chris BachaloThe St.Croix twins were called "The Monets" and worked alongside their brother in Apocalypse's Elite Mutant Force.

Flâneur

04-28-2007, 04:49 AM

who knows what our girl can or cannot do? hehehehe :) IS THERE ANYTHING she cant do???? :)

Be as trashy as Emma?

blinkinrogue

04-28-2007, 04:53 AM

LOL :D

now, now, m and emma were "as close" as far as student-teacher relationships were concerned, you know, the part about the student being better than the teacher and knowing it hahahahaha....

i dont know how emma allowed M to own her everytime in their verbal tussles (maybe she just gave up??? :) ), but then again maybe she knew M was aware how old she really was and so that M wouldnt bring up the issue about emma's age, she decided to not fight her head-on :D

Faded

04-28-2007, 10:32 AM

I liked how perfect M was.

But I must say I love that PAD is focusing on her super-strength, invulnerability, and flight. Its a basic, powerhouse powerset wrapped in a sexy, lil' package we call Monet.

I hope there is A LOT she can't do; I really don't want her to be Sage. That scares me. :o

Flâneur

04-28-2007, 10:47 AM

i dont know how emma allowed M to own her everytime in their verbal tussles (maybe she just gave up??? :) ), but then again maybe she knew M was aware how old she really was and so that M wouldnt bring up the issue about emma's age, she decided to not fight her head-on :D
I suspect it is because Emma has so much plastic in her that if she had bitched too much she would have fallen apart. That's why she was able to get her bitch back after the diamond power.

I hope there is A LOT she can't do; I really don't want her to be Sage. That scares me. :o
Yeah, I like her as the nominally well rounded package who is good at alot of things (you know the kind of people we love to hate), but the idea of her as being a heck of alot stronger than she is in any of her respective skills kind of scares me. She could easily become alot worse than Sage that way. :(

blinkinrogue

04-28-2007, 10:19 PM

I suspect it is because Emma has so much plastic in her that if she had bitched too much she would have fallen apart. That's why she was able to get her bitch back after the diamond power.

Yeah, I like her as the nominally well rounded package who is good at alot of things (you know the kind of people we love to hate), but the idea of her as being a heck of alot stronger than she is in any of her respective skills kind of scares me. She could easily become alot worse than Sage that way. :(

hahahah, you might b right about the plastic thing hahahah.... what i would give for another round of emma versus M...

anyway, back to my question, i think PAD should resolve or at least make readers aware if M still has her superior intellect as i feel this was an integral part of her in her earlier appearances (again, ignoring the M-twin fiasco).

Tre Styles

07-19-2007, 10:17 AM

Erik Lehnsherr

07-21-2007, 08:57 PM

_Jayme_

07-23-2007, 10:32 PM

I think PAD is going to continue to bring Monet to the forefront of the X-Universe. She'll be more than appreciated for her many...assests. So what do you think Monet's role will be in this Messiah Complex? Will she provide the mutant savior? Or will she just be just background dressing. I'm thinking she'll have a huge role in this. Monet is holding it down for the GENX crew. Thanks PAD, more power to you.:cool:

Anyways, M is generating a lot of heat these days, so it's time for this thread to be bumped up.

I hope she plays a big role, but I just have this inkling that it'll be Siryn that brings the baby. It's too obvious for it to be Monet.

Wind-Breaker

07-23-2007, 10:58 PM

Alright..years ago they had a crossover between Gen X and Gen 13, I think J. Scott Campbell drew it. Not sure who wrote it. In that crossover, did Monet fight Fairchild and who was depicted as stronger during the ordeal?

Well this is only panel that the two were fighting in:
http://i10.tinypic.com/4vfib84.jpg

Somewhat dissapointing though...

For all your comic scan needs please visit:
wind-breaker_has_too_much_time_on_his_hands.net

Erik Lehnsherr

07-23-2007, 11:38 PM

That's IT? A mid air grab? No punches or strength feats between the Princesses? Damn!

GoingGreen

07-24-2007, 08:25 AM

M's the Mary. She's SO cuter.

Faded

07-24-2007, 12:39 PM

I think PAD is going to continue to bring Monet to the forefront of the X-Universe. She'll be more than appreciated for her many...assests. So what do you think Monet's role will be in this Messiah Complex? Will she provide the mutant savior? Or will she just be just background dressing. I'm thinking she'll have a huge role in this. Monet is holding it down for the GENX crew. Thanks PAD, more power to you.:cool:

Anyways, M is generating a lot of heat these days, so it's time for this thread to be bumped up.

From the way I took PAD's comments, I think she'll have a decent role in the X-Factor parts of the crossover, but maybe not the bigger picture of the "Messiah CompleX".

Which is fine by me, but I'd LOVE to see her reunite with Bachalo during a cameo in X-Men or something. :)

Slung

11-02-2007, 09:43 PM

Monet is Forge cubed smart! I want to see Monet be Forge cubed smart again!!

http://pics.livejournal.com/angelophile/pic/0004a19a

Erik Lehnsherr

11-03-2007, 05:50 AM

Bring back the Joe Mad Monet. FOREVER.

ProfeZZor X

11-03-2007, 11:47 AM

Guess who I'm thinking to play the part.... None other than Stacy Dash.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e337/AnticipationHigh/hotbroad0004.jpg

Faded

11-03-2007, 12:18 PM

I wonder if Monet is even in Messiah CompleX. She's been on no covers, promo art, or solicitations thus far. :(

Erik Lehnsherr

11-03-2007, 03:47 PM

She's gonna have to show up in X-Factor, no matter what.

Faded

11-03-2007, 04:00 PM

She's gonna have to show up in X-Factor, no matter what.

Not necessarily. They're all telling the same story and using each others characters.

I hope you're right though. I really want her to show up in X-Men too to see Bachalo draw her again.

Slung

11-03-2007, 04:52 PM

Not necessarily. They're all telling the same story and using each others characters.

I hope you're right though. I really want her to show up in X-Men too to see Bachalo draw her again.

That would be AMAZING! I would kill to see Bachalo draw her again (that might be taking it a little too far, but you get the idea).

DeniseXfrost

11-03-2007, 08:58 PM

Guess who I'm thinking to play the part.... None other than Stacy Dash.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e337/AnticipationHigh/hotbroad0004.jpg
M has become a white woman now :D lol

ZNOP

11-03-2007, 09:29 PM

M has become a white woman now :D lol

Check again http://www.nndb.com/people/923/000108599/

Guess who I'm thinking to play the part.... None other than Stacy Dash.

Of all the pics of Monet -- Errrr... I mean Stacy on the net you pick that one:evilsmile

ProfeZZor X

11-03-2007, 11:45 PM

Of all the pics of Monet -- Errrr... I mean Stacy on the net you pick that one:evilsmile

I saw the "other" pictures of her, but none of them were politically correct enough to post here.... Too bad. :(

DeniseXfrost

11-04-2007, 01:25 AM

Check again http://www.nndb.com/people/923/000108599/

Umm I know she's black, I mean M in the comic...the way she's drawn lately in XFactor.

DeniseXfrost

11-04-2007, 01:25 AM

Check again http://www.nndb.com/people/923/000108599/

Umm I know she's black, I mean M in the comic...the way she's drawn lately in XFactor.

DeniseXfrost

11-04-2007, 01:30 AM

Check again http://www.nndb.com/people/923/000108599/

Umm I know she's black, I mean M in the comic...the way she's drawn lately in XFactor.

Kaos

11-04-2007, 04:17 AM

Guess who I'm thinking to play the part.... None other than Stacy Dash.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e337/AnticipationHigh/hotbroad0004.jpg

waaaaaay too old, fam.

Kaos

11-04-2007, 04:19 AM

Guess who I'm thinking to play the part.... None other than Stacy Dash.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e337/AnticipationHigh/hotbroad0004.jpg

WAAAY to old, fam.

ZNOP

11-04-2007, 10:06 AM

Umm I know she's black, I mean M in the comic...the way she's drawn lately in XFactor.

Yea, many of readers some years ago went on and on about the ethnicity of Moroccans.

Faded

11-04-2007, 10:36 AM

WAAAY to old, fam.

Yeah, that's my only issue.

Otherwise, its a nice choice.

Slung

11-04-2007, 11:35 AM

Yea, many of readers some years ago went on and on about the ethnicity of Moroccans.

You may be referring to me. I'm all for Monet being black - except she's north African (and Algerian, I believe). Probably Berber on her mother's side and cacausion on her father's (he was white French). She is closer to arabic in ethnicity. She may still be considered black but if you know anything about North Africa, they have a different ethnicity than the lower African countries. I'm not sure why its bad for Monet to be Berber. I don't think there are any other North African characters in the X-Titles, so why not Monet? I think its cool to have another ethnic group included in the x-titles.

Algerian Women look like this:
http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/places/images/ga/algeria_saddlebag-guardian.jpg

Monet looks like:
http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/41000/40460/128476-m_400.jpg
Algerian women:
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6269/0106fd3uy2.jpg
Monet
http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/41000/40460/19511-m_400.jpg
I think the artist do a good job of making her look Algerian.

Psi-Mage

11-04-2007, 11:51 AM

Faded

11-04-2007, 11:53 AM

The only issue I have with Monet's look is Raimondi doesn't make her very pretty IMO.

Slung

11-04-2007, 12:27 PM

Well, the way I see it M is Black, but that does not cancel out her Algerian ties. I mean just because you are arabic does not mean you are not black, its not mutually exculsive. Look at Halle Berry, her mother is white and her father is black. But Halle Berry is racialized as Black. When introduced to comic book readers,she was as a black woman( I prefer that artist rendition of her). The only other black woman in the x universe is Storm and to certain extent CeCe( Afro-latino). That might be the reason people are so quick to hold on to M.

You're right, being Algerian does not make Monet not black (as you can see in the first picture I posted of an Algerian woman, they can be dark skinned). However black is not the ethnicity that an Algerian would cling to, "Berber" is the proper ethnicity. Berber makes up over 90% of the ethnicity in Algeria and it has close ties to Arabic (Muslim, middle east). And the first picture I posted of Monet is by her original creator (Chris Bachalo). Her first appearance would be by Joe Mad. She was introduced as French Algerian in her first appearance by Scott Lobdell (her co-creator). She has always been North African.
Monet's first appearance look courtesy of Joe Mad:
http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/41000/40460/196575-m_400.gif
I guess I'm confused as to why we would want to take away Monet's clearly unique heritage in the x-books? Are we assuming that no one wants to see a North African in the X-books? She is the only North African/Berber character that I know of. And I think that makes her pretty unique and cool.
Monet's first shot by her creator Chris Bachalo (the shot that made her one of my favorite characters):
http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/41000/40460/177645-m_400.jpg

Dagger

11-04-2007, 12:28 PM

Psi-Mage

11-04-2007, 12:31 PM

Actually no she does not. Halle Berry and Faith Evans consider themselves black women. Now Tiger Woods is another story it self. Additionally, the way I conceptualizing blackness is not that of an ethnicty but that of a racial category. And while I know that race and ethnicity are often conflated and collapsed into each other, that is not how I am using it. Black=race, African-American, Jamacian= ethnicity, berber=ethnicity.

Dagger

11-04-2007, 12:36 PM

Actually no she does not. Halle Berry and Faith Evans consider themselves black women. Now Tiger Woods is another story it self.
That still doesn't take away from their mixed heritage, which also includes caucasian. You can choose to embrace one side more than the other, but doesn't erase the other.

ZNOP

11-04-2007, 02:41 PM

You may be referring to me.

Am I? Did we cover this topic posting at ComiXFan (X-Fan)?

PaxHouse

11-04-2007, 03:19 PM

Also, PAD hopefully follows on the twins and here's hoping M gets to meet Hollow one day... that'd be COOL....

Now, M meeting Hollow/Penance {again} is something that I'd like as well.....especially with what's been going on with Hollow within the LONERS Mini.... :cool:

Matthew K.

11-04-2007, 06:17 PM

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5594/picture2201418va4.png (http://imageshack.us)

Faded

11-04-2007, 06:20 PM

Oh, Sketch! That Vanity Fair cover is sooooo sexy!

She's soooo Posh. I loved how Sook drew her.

Slung

11-04-2007, 08:12 PM

Am I? Did we cover this topic posting at ComiXFan (X-Fan)?

Maybe. I'm not against M being black - I just don't want to see her North African heritage taken away. She's the only character I can think of from a North African country. Monet is of a different ethnicity for instance, than Storm (just like Bishop is aborigine but black).

Matthew K.

11-04-2007, 08:16 PM

Oh, Sketch! That Vanity Fair cover is sooooo sexy!

She's soooo Posh. I loved how Sook drew her.

Agreed. Sometimes I miss Sook on the book, even though I really like Pablo Raimondi. He captured M well.

HellFrost

11-04-2007, 09:22 PM

Agreed. Sometimes I miss Sook on the book, even though I really like Pablo Raimondi. He captured M well.

I completely agree with you there.

I'm also really not crazy about the damn rolling stones shirt she wears now... I kind of like the team better in their sexy costumes. Monet's was probably the best right next to Theresa's.

Matthew K.

11-04-2007, 11:28 PM

I completely agree with you there.

I'm also really not crazy about the damn rolling stones shirt she wears now... I kind of like the team better in their sexy costumes. Monet's was probably the best right next to Theresa's.

Now see I love the Stones. :)

Starleafgirl

11-18-2007, 08:05 PM

Am I crazy to think Monet looked better in Generation X than X-Factor? That Monet's looks really went down the crapper (despite the Vanity Fair cover which ostenibly says she's very, very attractive)

Yeah, it's shallow of me, but I haven't read X-Factor so physical appearances are really all I can talk about, post-Generation X.

I agree with Slung about Monet's unique heritage. I don't want to see it taken away, either.

Oh, and I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but as an avid reader looking for Penance (Hollow) news, but PAD wanted to have Penance and Monet run into each other in X-Factor : http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=11187

Slung

11-18-2007, 08:23 PM

Starleafgirl

11-18-2007, 08:41 PM

But Monet is the only North African woman (possibly person) in the X-Titles. She is a completely different ethnicity than say Storm. Middle Eastern and North Africans are difficult to place in a "race" category.

Well, you can't discount her sisters, her brother, or her father. Oh, wait, they're all in limbo. Carry on.

I think it's really unfortunate but the people who make X-Factor have forgotten (or never knew) what Monet looked like when she was created by Chris Bachalo (who then showed it to Scott Lobdell). I agree that she's not strictly "black" in her ethnicity.

Oh, and Monet's mother was shown in a flashback. She's not Caucasian, that much is for sure, of course she wasn't shown until LONG after the original creative team left Generation X, so maybe the people responsible for the flashback ignorantly assumed M was black.
Here's M's father: http://www.sugarbombs.com/genx/stcrcart.gif

Slung

11-18-2007, 10:06 PM

Well, you can't discount her sisters, her brother, or her father. Oh, wait, they're all in limbo. Carry on.

I think it's really unfortunate but the people who make X-Factor have forgotten (or never knew) what Monet looked like when she was created by Chris Bachalo (who then showed it to Scott Lobdell). I agree that she's not strictly "black" in her ethnicity.

Oh, and Monet's mother was shown in a flashback. She's not Caucasian, that much is for sure, of course she wasn't shown until LONG after the original creative team left Generation X, so maybe the people responsible for the flashback ignorantly assumed M was black.
Here's M's father: http://www.sugarbombs.com/genx/stcrcart.gif
Monet's father was originally a French white man and then later a black man. Who knows anymore. :).

Starleafgirl

11-19-2007, 12:00 PM

Monet's father was originally a French white man and then later a black man. Who knows anymore. :).

Maybe he did a reverse Michael Jackson... :rolleyes:

Or maybe M has two fathers. *looks downward, long pause, looks up* I don't know where I was really going with that. :p

Porcelain

11-19-2007, 01:01 PM

Swashbuckler

11-19-2007, 01:02 PM

We should just change Monet to be white that way there is no confusion about her parents race, where she's from, accents, type of hair, etc. etc.

sinjection

11-19-2007, 01:16 PM

We should just change Monet to be white that way there is no confusion about her parents race, where she's from, accents, type of hair, etc. etc.

You work for Marvel Comics, do you? You can change Monet from the lovely woman of color she is now into just another run-of-the-mill white mutant, the likes of which are already in overabundance?

MARVEL COMICS should leave Monet exactly the way she is. She should be a lovely woman of color whose father is unmistakably black. The only change that should be made where Monet is concerned is that of her "sexual partner".

Having killed Synch, thus depriving Monet of a handsome black American male lover, there should be created for Monet another character similar to Synch to supply his place in her love life.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

Swashbuckler

11-19-2007, 01:21 PM

You work for Marvel Comics, do you? You can change Monet from the lovely woman of color she is now into just another run-of-the-mill white mutant, the likes of which are already in overabundance?

MARVEL COMICS should leave Monet exactly the way she is. She should be a lovely woman of color whose father is unmistakably black. The only change that should be made where Monet is concerned is that of her "sexual partner".

Having killed Synch, thus depriving Monet of a handsome black American male lover, there should be created for Monet another character similar to Synch to supply his place in her love life.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

my favorite poster returns! and my comment about Monet was sarcasm.

Starleafgirl

11-19-2007, 04:23 PM

She was carbon-cookie-cutter pretty in Gen X. Took me a lil bit to adjust but I think being visually striking and non-commercial suits her personality far more.

I guess you're right; but her good looks was part of what set her apart in the Generation X comic. In THAT comic, she was what you'd expect from a superhero: lots of useful powers and good looks. Which made her a freak, lol, when compared to more normal folks (as far as powers and level of attractiveness went) like the rest of Generation X. It was cool to see the person you'd think would be the most popular kid actually being an outcast in her own way, because of her brains and beauty. I guess I'd just like her to stand out that way in X-Factor, too. Then again, if that happened, I guess the title would have two Laylas? ;)

Having killed Synch, thus depriving Monet of a handsome black American male lover, there should be created for Monet another character similar to Synch to supply his place in her love life.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

Wow, so because Monet is a woman of color, she should have a boyfriend who's black? I fail to see your logic.

Everett's death was tragic, though, and part of the reason is because some of us Generation X fans feel there will never be a guy quite like Ev again. He was a nice, normal guy with a good head on his shoulders and kindness that abounded even in the face of racist hicks who decided to beat him within an inch of his life.

I don't think they should ever create a character similiar to dear Everett just to provide Monet with a similiar lover at this later stage in her life. I mean, characters should be created to be themselves, not a poorer substitute for a dead, beloved character.

Zombienorthstar

11-19-2007, 04:32 PM

I like Monet's slightly more exotic heritage...it's good to have an X-Man who isn't just an American or a European stereotype to be honest.

I think having a slightly less serious partner works in Monet's favour as she is so pretentious and emotionally detached (kind of like a Anya/Xander dynamic) which is why i like her with Jamie. I always championed the idea of her with Skin for that reason as well.

Starleafgirl

11-19-2007, 05:10 PM

I think having a slightly less serious partner works in Monet's favour as she is so pretentious and emotionally detached (kind of like a Anya/Xander dynamic) which is why i like her with Jamie. I always championed the idea of her with Skin for that reason as well.

Hmm, yeah. :D With Monet/Madrox or Monet/Skin, it's the whole "opposites attract" thing, where's there's raw sexual tension for the two to succumb to in spite of themselves. Oh, wait, that's Cordelia/Xander. Meh. ;)

sinjection

11-19-2007, 05:32 PM

Wow, so because Monet is a woman of color, she should have a boyfriend who's black?

Monet should have a lover who is black or a man of color, yes.

I fail to see your logic.

Prof X and his many lovers = white male + white female
Cyclops/Jean Grey/Emma Frost = white male + white female
Havoc/Polaris = white male + white female
Banshee/Moira MacTaggert = white male + white female
Kurt Wagner/Amanda Sexton = white male (mutated blue) + white female
Simon Williams/Wanda Maximoff = white male + white female
Vision/Wanda Maximoff = Android w/white male's brain pattern + white female
Clint Barton/Wanda Maximoff = white male + white female
Quicksilver/Crystal = white male + white female
Sentry/Crystal = white male + white female
Insurance Salesman/Crystal = white male + white female
Donald Blake (Thor)/Jane Foster = white male + white female
Daredevil and his many lovers = white male + white female (unless Echo is Native American)
Hank Pym/Janet Van Dyne Pym = white male + white female
Captain America/his lovers = white male + white female
Spider-man/his lovers = white male + white female
Superman/Lois Lane = white male + white female
Batman/his lovers = white male + white female

Many other examples I could give: = white male + white female

DC has had Wonder Woman attracted to and dating a black man (whom they killed off, the fate of all black male characters who seem to catch the eye of beautiful females). Apparently, Green Arrow had an affair with a black or Asiatic female with whom he fathered a son. However, Green Arrow married his longtime white girlfriend, Black Canary. And it seems Wonder Woman is now attracted to another white male which makes the larger comicbook reading demographic happy again.

Synch/Monet = black male + female of color (Synch is dead)
Prodigy/Surge = black male + Asian female (relationship terminated)
Forge/Storm = Native American + black female ( relationship shouldn't have happened)

Bishop/Storm = black male + black female (relationship should have happened and didn't)

Black Panther/Storm = black male + black female (The ONE and the ONLY romantic relationship which exists between two well-known black characters in the MU)

It makes no sense to kill off Synch and pair Monet with the duplicate of some wierd white male mutant whose other duplicate is having sexual relations with another female. And unless what I've read is some sort of hoax, this self same wierd white male mutant may even be having sexual relations with one of his own duplicates. Why kill off a cool black character, the lover of a beautiful woman of color, only to involve her in such a nightmare of a relationship with a true freak of a mutant?

Everett's death was tragic, though, and part of the reason is because some of us Generation X fans feel there will never be a guy quite like Ev again. He was a nice, normal guy with a good head on his shoulders and kindness that abounded even in the face of racist hicks who decided to beat him within an inch of his life.

And why some writer felt it would be a good thing to kill off such a character is beyond my ability to understand. And another thing. Synch - beaten within an inch of his life by white racists. Rage - became superpowered as a result of being chased into a chemical swill by white racists. Sunspot - power first manifested because he was being harrassed by white racists.

Do these damned white racists EVER get their comeuppance?

julian keller finally received a well deserved beating from Prodigy, but there might be some who might say keller isn't a white racist. I'd disagree with that, of course.

I don't think they should ever create a character similiar to dear Everett just to provide Monet with a similiar lover at this later stage in her life. I mean, characters should be created to be themselves, not a poorer substitute for a dead, beloved character.

Then the next time Jean Grey resurrects herself, she should ask Synch if he'd like to catch that "resurrection ride" into the land of the living. Bring Synch back.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

Novaya Havoc

11-19-2007, 05:34 PM

What about Dazzler/Nocturne, sinjection?

Slung

11-19-2007, 06:03 PM

You work for Marvel Comics, do you? You can change Monet from the lovely woman of color she is now into just another run-of-the-mill white mutant, the likes of which are already in overabundance?

MARVEL COMICS should leave Monet exactly the way she is. She should be a lovely woman of color whose father is unmistakably black. The only change that should be made where Monet is concerned is that of her "sexual partner".
____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X
As said before: her father was originally a white ambassador (French Algerian presumably). Her mother a woman of color from Algeria (presumably Arabic or Berber - as that is the largest ethnic group in the country). They lived on the island of Monaco. *best DDM impression*

Oh, and why shouldn't the Storm/Forge relationshp have happened? I loved the way that romance blossomed.

Starleafgirl

11-19-2007, 06:46 PM

Monet should have a lover who is black or a man of color, yes.

I can understand your desire to see more people of color in relationships (I share that desire, way too many white main characters in the comic book universes), but it's just damn racist to say that people of color should only be portrayed in relationships with other people of color.

Oh, and if you're interested, there's also a Darkhawk / Mickey Musashi relationship in The Loners. white male + asian female.

Regardless of the ethnicities of the two people in question (Monet and Synch, Monet and Madrox), the color of a person's skin is not the most important thing when forging a romance. Nor is a person's sex, for that matter. It's the chemicals between them (personalities, pure animal attraction, how they treat each other, etc.) that matter.

Hilariously enough, by the ethnic standard, you can't really classify people such as Nightcrawler, Nocturne, and Penance (Hollow from The Loners; see my avatar) unless you lump them into "people of color" regardless of where these people may have been from (Europe, I'm thinking...?).

EDIT: Re-read that part of your post. I see that Kurt does indeed count as a whitie who has since turned blue. Gee. It's tough being blue, ain't it? Getting flack for being white and loving another person who happens to be white, while being hated and scorned for being blue. ;)

P.S. Yes, Echo is Native American. And made of awesome-sauce. Lol.

sinjection

11-19-2007, 08:48 PM

....it's just damn racist to say that people of color should only be portrayed in relationships with other people of color.

As you have seen from my previous posting, white male + white female relationships are very well-represented.

You mentioned the Darkhawk/Asian female relationship. Here's more:

Bob Diamond/Lotus Shinchuko = white male + Asian female. (Relationship ended when Shinchuko threw Diamond over for a new love interest Lin Sun, an Asian male)

Lucas Cross/Tara Brooks = white male + black female. (Recently, Lucas Cross was revealed to be the white father of Eric Brooks a.k.a. Blade, the Vampire Slayer. "Retconning" M's father from white to black - if that's what actually happened - was fairplay in this case and the right thing to do.)

Danny Rand/Misty Knight = white male + black female

Libra (of Zodiac)/Vietnamese woman = white male + Asian female parents of Mantis, the Celestial Madonna.

Kraven the Hunter/Calypso = white male + black female

Grim Reaper/Nekra = white racist male + black female mutant mistress of hate. (Grim Reaper eventually killed Nekra who was later resurrected, probably by a brother)

Luke Cage/Jessica Jones = a rarity in the MU. black male + white female. (Marvel probably allowed this paring because it seems artists always try to draw Jessica as if her head is lopsided thereby distorting her facial features)

DC Comics had the catastrophically-deformed Cyborg romantically involved with a white woman. But lacking certain necessary "working parts", there was no way Cyborg could "consumate" that relationship. There appears to be a black male/white female relationship in the DCU which did culminate in marriage and the birth of a baby. The characters don't seem to be of any real significance.

Tyrone Johnson (Cloak)/Tandy Bowen (Dagger) have been a pair for years. Tyrone hasn't tapped Tandy in all that time. Incidentally, perhaps coincidentally, both characters happen to be mutants. And until very recently, Tyrone lacked those "necessary working parts" as well. Marvel may have retconned changes for the better made to Cloak's powers in the last issue of Cloak and Dagger's most recently cancelled ongoing that gave Cloak a "normally tangible body". If that is the case, then Cloak has gone back to the "normally intangible body" and is rendered once again, unable to consumate his romantic relationship with Dagger. Marvel has usually made that relationship one-sided anyway, again only recently indicating that Dagger had similar romantic feelings for Cloak. And they may have even retconned that development out of existence.

The white male characters have been involved in relationships with white females (and "getting some"), and with black women and other women of color (and still, "getting some"). The only black male character who should be "getting more" is the Black Panther who happens to be married to a black female, Storm. However, it seems the writers of the x-books are determined to make sure T'Challa gets as little as possible as they REFUSE to allow the Queen of Wakanda to GO HOME AND BE WIFE TO HER HUSBAND.

In light of the huge disparity which exists between white/white romantic relationships and those romantic relationships involving white males with black females and/or women of color and those relationships involving black males with black females, I can't see how you can say that wanting more relationships of this type (black male + black female), to balance things out is racist. If ever Marvel Comics finally decides to allow Cloak and Dagger to do the nasty and make their relationship truly believable as they have others in the "Mighty Marvel sexual tradition", there will actually exist one more black male + white female relationship than the black male + black female relationship between significant characters in the MU.

That is inexcusable.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

Starleafgirl

11-19-2007, 09:05 PM

In light of the huge disparity which exists between white/white romantic relationships and those romantic relationships involving white males with black females and/or women of color and those relationships involving black males with black females, I can't see how you can say that wanting more relationships of this type (black male + black female), to balance things out is racist. If ever Marvel Comics finally decides to allow Cloak and Dagger to do the nasty and make their relationship truly believable as they have others in the "Mighty Marvel sexual tradition", there will actually exist one more black male + white female relationship than the black male + black female relationship between significant characters in the MU.

That is inexcusable.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

There is disparity between white male+woman of color and man of color+white woman and color+color, that's true, but my point is the real issue shouldn't be the race of the characters when writers decide to put the two characters together and, to demand that a woman of color like Monet have a black lover and that a black lover is the only one for her (IF that's what you're saying), IS racist. Or at the very least, biased. :eek:

I don't like the disparity and I'm a big fan of equality. But there should be equality of the actual conditions (people of whatever ethnicity in a relationship with whatever ethnicity) as well an equality of thought (people of whatever ethnicity allowed to be in a relationship with whatever ethnicity).

Thanks for arguing your point, though, it's vital for me to be able to see where you're coming from, here.

Another disparity that I don't like is the number of woman-woman relationships in comics compared to the number of man-man relationships. Equality ftw.

And wow, has this thread ever strayed from the greatness that is M or what?

Monty_Cristo

11-19-2007, 09:07 PM

As said before: her father was originally a white ambassador (French Algerian presumably). Her mother a woman of color from Algeria (presumably Arabic or Berber - as that is the largest ethnic group in the country). They lived on the island of Monaco. *best DDM impression*

Oh, and why shouldn't the Storm/Forge relationshp have happened? I loved the way that romance blossomed.

because Forge is a eunuch.

RoguishGurl

11-19-2007, 09:13 PM

julian keller finally received a well deserved beating from Prodigy, but there might be some who might say keller isn't a white racist. I'd disagree with that, of course.

Julian is not racist. His best friend was Tag and he is still recovering from his death as was shown in the last issue. Was he wrong for being a jerk to David, yes, he was, but he was also a jerk to other people who are white. But he's just not a racist.

And Monet is so awesome. I love her! She is definately in my top ten list.

Now I really must finish studying for my big test tomorrow.

Starleafgirl

11-19-2007, 09:18 PM

And Monet is so awesome. I love her! She is definately in my top ten list.

Now I really must finish studying for my big test tomorrow.

She's, like, somewhere between 11-20 for me, I think. Possibly higher, considering Generation X is one of the few long-running Marvel series I've read, lol.

In any case, yes, she is so awesome. I just wish she'd use more cerebral dialogue (monologue? what's the word I'm looking for here...) in X-Factor.

And good luck on your test! :)

Starleafgirl

11-19-2007, 09:19 PM

because Forge is a eunuch.

I heard it's because Forge is a "morally weak" male. :D :D :D /joke

sinjection

11-19-2007, 09:21 PM

There is disparity between white male+woman of color and man of color+white woman and color+color, that's true, but my point is the real issue shouldn't be the race of the characters when writers decide to put the two characters together and, to demand that a woman of color like Monet have a black lover and that a black lover is the only one for her (IF that's what you're saying), IS racist. Or at the very least, biased. :eek:

If this is the case, then it is racist that so many white male + white female relationships and so many white male + black female relationships/women of color relationships should exist when there are very few black male/male of color + black female/female of color relationships. What does it say when white male characters are parading around with white female characters AND black and women of color characters? That only the white male characters are the studs and the black male/male of color characters are duds? I think that's what the message implies. Black male characters are usually created as being weaker than white male characters and subservient to white male characters. Very rarely does a black male character administer a truly satisfying beating to a white male character.

And wow, has this thread ever strayed from the greatness that is M or what?

No. M's greatness is not enhanced by making her "more white" and less of a female "character of color". M's greatness is not enhanced by seeming to say that by changing her father from a white male to a black male makes her less of an interesting character. M's greatness is not enhanced by killing off her cool black American lover and hooking her up with a duplicate of a freakish white male mutant whose other duplicate is doing it with another female mutant and whose other duplicates may be doing who knows what with who knows whom.

M is great when she is portrayed as the woman of color she is, having the BLACK father she has and freed from what can be best described as a sick relationship with a wierd white male mutant's duplicate self.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

The Multiple Demon

11-19-2007, 09:29 PM

So, errr.............how about that possiblity of M being pregnant? I think it could be interesting, especially if written by PAD.

frog

11-19-2007, 09:35 PM

So, errr.............how about that possiblity of M being pregnant? I think it could be interesting, especially if written by PAD.

Yes, I have to wonder if we will learn any more about that until after Messiah Complex? I now sincerely doubt that Rahne is pregnant because I don't see her joining the Black Ops team if she was, so Monet is certainly likely to be the one.

The Multiple Demon

11-19-2007, 09:38 PM

frog

11-19-2007, 09:41 PM

Hopefully she won't fall on the backburner if she has the kid. I do suppose that Jessica Jones & Invisible Woman have proved that a comic book female can have a kid/kids and not be delegated to Limbo for all time.

I don't think PAD would let that happen. Monet has always seemed rather self absorbed to me, it would be entertaining to see her world turned upside down by having to chase after a baby constantly. Babies can wear out even Omega mutants!

Wind-Breaker

11-19-2007, 09:45 PM

Yes, I have to wonder if we will learn any more about that until after Messiah Complex? I now sincerely doubt that Rahne is pregnant because I don't see her joining the Black Ops team if she was, so Monet is certainly likely to be the one.

If indeed M is the one preggers then I’m not a fan of the move. I don't think a change that major is needed. I love the character as is, something life-changing like giving a person kid should be reserved for characters who need the change, who need to add a new dynamic. M is incredibly entertaining and compelling character that creates conflict within the cast. The move IMO would be completely unnecessary.

sinjection

11-20-2007, 06:33 AM

If there is an M pregnancy - the very thought of such is disgusting beyond words - there had for damned sure better be an Ororo pregnancy.

A white male mutant's duplicate can impregnate a woman of color to whom he isn't married - a woman of color whose black American lover...which would have and SHOULD have happened had not x-writers ruined it:

Final days of Generation X

Synch dies in Monet's arms
When Monet returned, she and Everett continued to grow close and began to intensify their relationship. However, Monet was the most devastated when Synch sacrificed his own life to stop an exploding bomb that had been placed in the academy by Emma Frost’s sister, Adrienne.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M_(comics)

...was brutally cut down by "the powers that be". Anything to get the black man out of the way so the white man can have his woman. The movie "SPAWN" is yet another example of this. But the Black Panther can't impregnate his BLACK WIFE because x-man business keeps her from her marriage bed. Hopefully Hudlin is doing something in the PANTHER publication to move things toward getting Ororo and T'Challa "in the family way".

Any black reader of the x-men (of which I can proudly say, I am not), should see how there is something very wrong with allowing an M pregnancy, but resisting an Ororo pregnancy which would supply Wakanda with an heir to the throne.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

worstblogever

11-20-2007, 06:43 AM

If there is an M pregnancy - the very thought of such is disgusting beyond words - there had for damned sure better be an Ororo pregnancy.

A white male mutant's duplicate can impregnate a woman of color to whom he isn't married - a woman of color whose black American lover(???) was brutally cut down by "the powers that be", but the Black Panther can't impregnate his BLACK WIFE because x-man business keeps her from her marriage bed. Hopefully Hudlin is doing something in the PANTHER publication to move things toward getting Ororo and T'Challa "in the family way".

Any black reader of the x-men (of which I can proudly say, I am not, should see how there is something very wrong with allowing an M pregnancy, but resisting an Ororo pregnancy which would supply Wakanda with an heir to the throne.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

Wait, M slept with... who? Synch? I don't recall that union. They flirted a bit in Generation X, when they were kids. You could make as likely an argument about Jubilee/Synch based off of that. Of course, as someone who just admitted they don't read the X-Books, I could see why you might think that.

Next time, try making an argument without admitting you don't know what you're talking about.

Christopher O

11-20-2007, 07:19 AM

M rocks. She should sleep with Siryn. They're my favorite couple.

Swashbuckler

11-20-2007, 07:31 AM

What's so interesting about M getting pregnant (is she is) is that she'll have no idea what to do. Miss Perfect won't be able to cope. She'll freak out. This is a great character beat to teach her humility and give her a more human aspect instead of M - prefection! I could see this going a lot of ways. An abortion being on of them and then her getting slack for it. Or she'll miscarrie due to a battle and be really upset and heart broken after she was originally pissed about the situation. Seriously, it's great writing. If you can't see all the possibilities and good things here then....you should read Marvel Adventures for simpler, writing (not tha they're bad books, just simpler).

sinjection

11-20-2007, 07:55 AM

Julian is not racist. His best friend was Tag and he is still recovering from his death as was shown in the last issue. Was he wrong for being a jerk to David, yes, he was, but he was also a jerk to other people who are white. But he's just not a racist.

Sure he is. I could explain to you in what way he is what I say he is, but that would take the thread off course.

And Monet is so awesome. I love her! She is definately in my top ten list.

She'd be even better if she still had a black boyfriend... A LIVING black boyfriend. It's too bad she has to sleep with the duplicate persona of some mutant freak job who has another duplicate who is sleeping with M's "friend".

Now, is that "awesome"? I think not.

Now I really must finish studying for my big test tomorrow.

Good woman! :) Study hard.

By the way, have you ever read Edgar Allen Poe's, "The Cask of Amontillado"? Montresor didn't cut Fortunado any slack. Why should David not show Julian the same consideration? :) David and Julian, "best friends" indeed.

Never.

Never I say!

Oh and RG? One more thing my little friend. Texas Tech - 34, Oklahoma - 27. You know I luv ya kiddo!

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

RoguishGurl

11-20-2007, 08:09 AM

She'd be even better if she still had a black boyfriend... A LIVING black boyfriend. It's too bad she has to sleep with the duplicate persona of some mutant freak job who has another duplicate who is sleeping with M's "friend".

Now, is that "awesome"? I think not.

I don't care who M dates. He can be black, white, asian or hispanic. Just as long as she is portayed as independent. Race shouldn't matter when it comes to dating people. If she can find a black man who makes her happy and who she can be strong around then I say go for it. But him being black shouldn't be the only reason why she would date him.

sinjection

11-20-2007, 08:17 AM

I don't care who M dates. He can be black, white, asian or hispanic. Just as long as she is portayed as independent.

M is portrayed as an "independent" female who is having sex with a freak of a mutant's duplicate, who has another duplicate who is having sex with another female mutant who is supposed to be M's friend as I understand it.

I see M being portrayed as a fool. That's how I see her being portrayed as.

Race shouldn't matter when it comes to dating people.

I wish some of these Marvel writers felt as you do. From what I gather, M and Synch were really warming to each other before they decided to kill Synch off. Bishop and Storm would have made a nice couple as well. I wonder why those Marvel writers decided that they should be distant relatives or something? In the meantime, what black mutant is dating what black mutant these days?

M deserves better than to be the impregnated lover of...of what, exactly?

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

Swashbuckler

11-20-2007, 08:24 AM

Against my better judgement....

It'd be pretty cliche if all he black characters dated each other.

And about M and Siryn both sleeping with a dupe. They actually both thought it was the original multiple man. And neither knew the other one was doing it. And the two friends got in a big fight about it, but eventually made up. That's what happened in the story that you find such an abomination even though you didn't read it.

frog

11-20-2007, 08:28 AM

Hey! I've thought of a title for the next X-Factor arc.

Three Thousand Dupes and a Baby! :p

sinjection

11-20-2007, 08:32 AM

It'd be pretty cliche if all he black characters dated each other.

Nearly all the white characters either date or are married to each other or to another white person. Is that cliche? No. It's normal. White people usually date and marry white people. Black people usually date and marry black people. Is that cliche? No. Well then, why is it such a big deal to ask for more same race relationships between black characters?

And about M and Siryn both sleeping with a dupe. They actually both thought it was the original multiple man. And neither knew the other one was doing it. And the two friends got in a big fight about it, but eventually made up. That's what happened in the story that you find such an abomination even though you didn't read it.

True. I don't read the book, but I do have complete knowledge of what you've just related to me. It's still disgusting in my book. The writers kill off a perfectly fine love match for M in Synch - an endangered black male mutant - and involve her in a love triangle...rectangle with another female mutant and a duplicating mutant freak.

The entire x-franchise is a black male mutant-murdering abomination. That's why I don't waste my money purchasing any of their publications.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

Starleafgirl

11-20-2007, 08:39 AM

No. M's greatness is not enhanced by making her "more white" and less of a female "character of color". M's greatness is not enhanced by seeming to say that by changing her father from a white male to a black male makes her less of an interesting character. M's greatness is not enhanced by killing off her cool black American lover and hooking her up with a duplicate of a freakish white male mutant whose other duplicate is doing it with another female mutant and whose other duplicates may be doing who knows what with who knows whom.

M is great when she is portrayed as the woman of color she is, having the BLACK father she has and freed from what can be best described as a sick relationship with a wierd white male mutant's duplicate self.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

Lol times ten, man, nobody's saying that her greatness is enhanced by making her more white. Apparently her father was originally a white dude, thus leading to a different ethnic background than strictly "black" as you say. Doesn't affect how she is as a character at all.

Also, man, if anything her father is probably Berber, no? I mean, that's the impression I get from the racial line-up of the country in question, according to a previous poster. Does it really matter who or what her parents are when it comes to her greatness? Yeah, I didn't think so.

My favorite character has unknown parentage, if any at all, really. Doesn't detract from HER greatness. :D

And like worstblogever said, Synch and M weren't lovers. She pursued him, they kissed, but that was it. Don't think you can fool me by highlighting a section on a fan-written Wikipedia entry -- I read those issues of Generation X. ;)

Synch wasn't killed to make way for a white man for M, which is what you're saying here. It's stupid to think such a thing considering M didn't join X-Factor until years later. And was a part of a few other things before she even joined X-Factor.

But my God, man, are you really going so far as to say white men shouldn't impregnant women of color? Stop hiding behind the mutant mask and admit what you're saying is wrong. The M pregnancy and the lack of a Storm pregnancy are two completely unrelated story issues; that is to say, the prospective writers have their own, independent reasons for wanting to imply M may have become pregnant and not yet saying that Storm is.

She'd be even better if she still had a black boyfriend... A LIVING black boyfriend. It's too bad she has to sleep with the duplicate persona of some mutant freak job who has another duplicate who is sleeping with M's "friend".

Now, is that "awesome"? I think not.

Sinjection, no man could make M even more awesome or more better. She's awesome because she's written well enough that she doesn't need a boyfriend. :cool:

By the way, have you ever read Edgar Allen Poe's, "The Cask of Amontillado"? Montresor didn't cut Fortunado any slack. Why should David not show Julian the same consideration? :) David and Julian, "best friends" indeed.

Never.

Never I say!

Synch chose not to inform on Weasel and Dorian beating him within an inch of his life. Synch chose the more righteous path of turning the other cheek. I forget what his exact words were, but it humbled me to read it. Compared to that, David exacting his revenge by laying the beating on Julian (from how you've described it, I didn't see it myself) just seems petty and childish. So, to me at least, don't think you can justify David's violence.

Swashbuckler

11-20-2007, 08:39 AM

Dude, Synch died like 7 or 8 years ago. Move on!

Starleafgirl

11-20-2007, 08:40 AM

If indeed M is the one preggers then I’m not a fan of the move. I don't think a change that major is needed. I love the character as is, something life-changing like giving a person kid should be reserved for characters who need the change, who need to add a new dynamic. M is incredibly entertaining and compelling character that creates conflict within the cast. The move IMO would be completely unnecessary.

I agree 100%, but sometimes that's just what happens when you have unprotected sex (which I'm assuming was the case here, right? lol). Still, if she's the one who's pregnant, I agree with others that it'll be interesting to see how she handles it. I'm hoping she'll be able to muster up enough dignity and grace in this hour of life-changing need. :D

M rocks. She should sleep with Siryn. They're my favorite couple.

That could be interesting, especially given their shared past of Banshee, but I'm pretty sure M is straight. ;)

I could see this going a lot of ways. An abortion being on of them and then her getting flack for it. Or she'll miscarry due to a battle and be really upset and heart broken after she was originally pissed about the situation. Seriously, it's great writing. If you can't see all the possibilities and good things here then....you should read Marvel Adventures for simpler writing (not that they're bad books, just simpler).

Oh, goodness, I hope not, lol. I hope she doesn't believe in abortion, but she is a modern and rational (as in, she may be able to rationalize an abortion to herself, given her current circumstances) woman who hasn't ever shown any tendency towards (for religious or other reasons) being against abortion as an option. As for a miscarriage, Miss Perfect is nearly invulnerable (right? I'm tired right now), so that wouldn't make much sense to me; I'm assuming her insides are WELL protected as the result of her powers.

I don't care who M dates. He can be black, white, asian or hispanic. Just as long as she is portayed as independent. Race shouldn't matter when it comes to dating people. If she can find a black man who makes her happy and who she can be strong around then I say go for it. But him being black shouldn't be the only reason why she would date him.

AMEN! :D

Starleafgirl

11-20-2007, 08:46 AM

Hey! I've thought of a title for the next X-Factor arc.

Three Thousand Dupes and a Baby! :p

LOL. Just saw that now. Had to comment. Oh, the hilarity. Yeah, that's what they should call it. :D

And to sinjection, unless you can get off that racist shtick (meaning, that M shouldn't be with a white guy), I'm not responding to any more of your posts in this thread. We've wasted enough space with the whole debate of race when I and others have tried to make it perfectly clear that it's not a factor that matters when it comes to who M dates.

~Starleafgirl

worstblogever

11-20-2007, 08:48 AM

I've peered through my back issues of Generation X... Synch and Monet weren't ever a couple, were they? I'm not finding that.

RoguishGurl

11-20-2007, 08:53 AM

I wonder what role M will play in future issues of Messiah Complex. I hope it is a big role.

worstblogever

11-20-2007, 08:58 AM

I wonder what role M will play in future issues of Messiah Complex. I hope it is a big role.

Somebody suggested she'd be great on the New X-Force, and I can't disagree. They need a telepath, and a bruiser, and a flier. She's all three. Plus, based off of her trip to Paris with Siryn, we know she won't hesitate to get violent if she's got to.

RoguishGurl

11-20-2007, 08:59 AM

Somebody suggested she'd be great on the New X-Force, and I can't disagree. They need a telepath, and a bruiser, and a flier. She's all three. Plus, based off of her trip to Paris with Siryn, we know she won't hesitate to get violent if she's got to.

She would be cool in X-Force! And she would interact with X-23. Two of the characters in my top ten interacting, now that is a book I will buy.

sinjection

11-20-2007, 09:05 AM

Lol times ten, man, nobody's saying that her greatness is enhanced by making her more white.

They haven't yet. But somebody will get around to it eventually.

Apparently her father was originally a white dude, thus leading to a different ethnic background than strictly "black" as you say. Doesn't affect how she is as a character at all.

Oh really? You're saying that a character's race has no impact on that character's appeal? I disagree with extreme prejudice :)

Also, man, if anything her father is probably Berber, no? I mean, that's the impression I get from the racial line-up of the country in question, according to a previous poster. Does it really matter who or what her parents are when it comes to her greatness? Yeah, I didn't think so.

This is very likely true. There is however, a small pocket of what some might classify as "sub-Saharan" African types who were not displaced by invading Arabs. So there is a small, but viable population of BLACK PEOPLE in Algeria. Anyway, M is not a white woman. And making her father Berber - if that's what he is - instead of white is a step in the right direction. The white man can't be doing EVERYBODY's woman. Damn. I mean, Blade the Vampire Slayer recently learned HIS father is white. Stop the madness already!

And like worstblogever said, Synch and M weren't lovers. She pursued him, they kissed, but that was it. Don't think you can fool me by highlighting a section on a fan-written Wikipedia entry -- I read those issues of Generation X. ;)

And if Synch were a white male, instead of being blown up by a bomb, M's flirtations might have borne fruit. "White" Emma Frost pursues "white" Scott Summers and although Summers is married, he sucuumbs to Frost's charms. But before Synch could do the same where M is concerned, "Boom". He becomes another brave, black mutant male tragedy and a white man gets to enjoy what Synch should have.

Synch wasn't killed to make way for a white man for M, which is what you're saying here. It's stupid to think such a thing considering M didn't join X-Factor until years later. And was a part of a few other things before she even joined X-Factor.

Writers usually do things that way. The movie Spawn is a good example of this. Spawn - when mortal - was a black male. He was married to a gorgeous black female. The still-mortal Spawn's white partner openly expressed his desire for Spawn's wife. This white partner helps arrange his black partner's death, marries his wife and has a child with her. The black partner returns from "hell" as Spawn and discovers this. He is unable to kill the white partner because by that time, the wife that was his and the daughter that should have been his actually love that scum. So it goes for the black male in comicbook land.

But my God, man, are you really going so far as to say white men shouldn't impregnant women of color?

Hey. George Washington did it. Thomas Jefferson did it. Strom Thurmond did it. None of those white boys even liked black people, but they sure loved themselves some "brown sugar". White men have been impregnating black women and women of color for centuries. Too late to stop them now. On the other hand, black men were lynched for even looking at white women. Men of color were given almost as much trouble for doing the same. Now that black men and men of color are impregnating white women, they're still catching hell for doing so. Charles Barkley used to get hate mail all the time from his "fans" who were angry that he was married to a white woman. I also hear that Halle Berry has allegedly received death threats because she is about to deliver a white man's child. I'm sure those threats aren't coming from anyone black.

Stop hiding behind the mutant mask and admit what you're saying is wrong.

But what I'm saying is correct. Why should I admit to something that isn't true according to what I've observed?

The M pregnancy and the lack of a Storm pregnancy are two completely unrelated story issues; that is to say, the prospective writers have their own, independent reasons for wanting to imply M may have become pregnant and not yet saying that Storm is.

It is my opinion that the x-writers have no interest in allowing the Black Panther to impregnate his wife and remove her from their story plans for the x-men. However, those same writers have no problem with having M being impregnated by a white male freak of a mutant who doesn't even know who is duplicates are having sexual relations with. That's disgusting beyond belief.

Sinjection, no man could make M even more awesome or more better. She's awesome because she's written well enough that she doesn't need a boyfriend. :cool:

She's not "awesome" She's woeful. She is impregnated by a duplicate of a man she was attracted to. How in the hell is that awesome? What would be awesome is Storm giving Wakanda an heir to the throne. :D

Synch chose not to inform on Weasel and Dorian beating him within an inch of his life. Synch chose the more righteous path of turning the other cheek.

Oh sure. The black man is always supposed to turn the other cheek and let the white man smite that one too. However, when black males behave as did the Dallas Carter High School football team in the movie "Friday Night Lights" and absolutely pummel their white opponents without mercy, then somehow, they're a bad seed or something.

I forget what his exact words were, but it humbled me to read it. Compared to that, David exacting his revenge by laying the beating on Julian (from how you've described it, I didn't see it myself) just seems petty and childish. So, to me at least, don't think you can justify David's violence.

It is not petty and childish to exact righteous revenge upon your enemy. That's what is called justice.

____sinjection, a.k.a. Synch X

Dagger

11-20-2007, 09:09 AM

I've peered through my back issues of Generation X... Synch and Monet weren't ever a couple, were they? I'm not finding that.
They were dating at the end of the series in the storyline where Synch dies.

worstblogever

11-20-2007, 09:09 AM

I'm thrilled that M's fertile. Unlike some X-characters...

worstblogever

11-20-2007, 09:11 AM

They were dating at the end of the series in the storyline where Synch dies.

Well, at least she got over it.

Dagger

11-20-2007, 09:14 AM

Well, at least she got over it.
That's because white writers don't know how to write black characters! In order for her feelings to be truly explored she should move to Wakanda and be with some 80 year old black character, because they're both black, and even though they have never met, and the reasons are totally asinine, it should just be.