Monet St. Croix Appreciation

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Ages Of Apocalypse Monet

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2015/aoamonet.png

Has Monet been involved in any crossover where she WASN'T just a background character. Well, besides her debut in PC.

Yeah what is up with that?

I love Monet but she really isn't expanding her wings and getting involved in some important storylines and generating history with people outside of her books.

[7thangel]

gen-x M

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z158/7th_angelz/noemie.jpg

or i'm just a little horny :evilsmile:

[blinkinrogue]

is ages of apocalypse different from the age of apoc? wasnt she know it all?

[That JonoGuy]

is ages of apocalypse different from the age of apoc? wasnt she know it all?

Ages Of Apocalypse were single issues after the Twelve Saga. Monet appeared in the Cable issue.

[That JonoGuy]

gen-x M

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z158/7th_angelz/noemie.jpg

or i'm just a little horny :evilsmile:

I'll go with the second option. I'm just not seeing M there.

[That JonoGuy]

Yeah what is up with that?

I love Monet but she really isn't expanding her wings and getting involved in some important storylines and generating history with people outside of her books.

I just got my Messiah Complex hardcover, and it is painful to see such a powerful character not being used to the fullest for the conflict that they were facing. Sure, she got to engage in the fight, but only as a background character. She did get a nice moment with Warpath, but It didn't last that long. I was hoping to see her have a bigger role in the fight and some interaction with Emma.

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I just got my Messiah Complex hardcover, and it is painful to see such a powerful character not being used to the fullest for the conflict that they were facing. Sure, she got to engage in the fight, but only as a background character. She did get a nice moment with Warpath, but It didn't last that long. I was hoping to see her have a bigger role in the fight and some interaction with Emma.

Right??? Monet got gipped during Messiah Complex. It was a good opportunity for her to mingle with the other books' characters, but that didn't really happen. At least she got more coverage than Strong Guy I guess lol.

[SayOcean]

gen-x M

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z158/7th_angelz/noemie.jpg

or i'm just a little horny :evilsmile:Have you not been reading the thread????shes way to dark to be Monet.....but seriously they really need to have her interact with other marvel heroes even the other xmen....she has ties with emma frost the most powerful xmen out there......in terms of social power i mean....

[7thangel]

Have you not been reading the thread????shes way to dark to be Monet.....but seriously they really need to have her interact with other marvel heroes even the other xmen....she has ties with emma frost the most powerful xmen out there......in terms of social power i mean....that's why i said gen-x m. i know she's been lightened over the years, like sunspot, but i'm reminiscing :frown:

[coconutphone]

Monet <3

I re-read the 2nd Doc Samson therapy issue (the current book's version, #13). I'd forgotten that PAD hads her talk about her brother and being trapped in the Penance body. Nice touch! Also loved that she was pissed that Terry was being coddled when it came to Banshee's death, arguing that he was more of a father to her than Terry. Again: nice!

I too was upset she got almost no attention in MC. She did get a nice throw down with She-Hulk in their SI crossover.

[That JonoGuy]

Monet <3

I re-read the 2nd Doc Samson therapy issue (the current book's version, #13). I'd forgotten that PAD hads her talk about her brother and being trapped in the Penance body. Nice touch! Also loved that she was pissed that Terry was being coddled when it came to Banshee's death, arguing that he was more of a father to her than Terry. Again: nice!

I too was upset she got almost no attention in MC. She did get a nice throw down with She-Hulk in their SI crossover.

The Doc Samson issue really gave a nice glimpse into M's state of mind. The best M moments seem to be the ones where she lets her guard down.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6071/gx10.th.png (http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gx10.png)

I liked this moment between her(M Twins M) and Jubilee.

The thing that sucks most about M is that all her great moments are split between the "M Twins M" and the "real" M. Is was so much more simpler with just one M.

[That JonoGuy]

So, how was Dirty, Sexy, Monet? No spoilers. Does it live up to the awesome title?

[coconutphone]

It was great. Very sexy ;)

[SayOcean]

So, how was Dirty, Sexy, Monet? No spoilers. Does it live up to the awesome title?I read it and i was expecting more M.....maybe cause i like the character so much i was setting myself up for a big fail...but she didnt really come off as sexy or deadly....not even dirty....cheap

[4sake]

A certain person older brother is back:evilsmile:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21683

[That JonoGuy]

A certain person older brother is back:evilsmile:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21683

This is great news. I hope that when he shows up Monet is involved somehow. One would hope the X-Men would be kind enough to let her know what her brother is up to. You never know with the X-Men though.

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This is great news. I hope that when he shows up Monet is involved somehow. One would hope the X-Men would be kind enough to let her know what he is up to. You never know with the X-Men though.

YAYYYY!!!!

[That JonoGuy]

Monet is sure to be pissed when her brother resurfaces trying to feed off of what remains of the mutant population.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29735/687856-monet10_super.jpg

[Don't pee in the (Dead)pool]

gen-x M

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z158/7th_angelz/noemie.jpg

or i'm just a little horny :evilsmile:

She's cute but she's not Monet.
Now, if she was still alive, I think Aaliyah would be a perfect fit for M.:biggrin:

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She's cute but she's not Monet.
Now, if she was still alive, I think Aaliyah would be a perfect fit for M.:biggrin:

I agree, Dodson's Monet often reminded me of Aaliyah.

[Justin K.]

I agree, Dodson's Monet often reminded me of Aaliyah.

Dodson's reminds me of Jasmine from Aladin.

Also, a question for you M people...

In AoA, when did M (Know-it-All) die? What issue? Was it shown, or mentioned at all in the comics?
I don't recall seeing her die or it getting mentioned, but Uncannyxmen.net has her reported as dead. Did I miss something?
Any panel proof? Please post if proven...

[Slung]

Dodson's reminds me of Jasmine from Aladin.

Also, a question for you M people...

In AoA, when did M (Know-it-All) die? What issue? Was it shown, or mentioned at all in the comics?
I don't recall seeing her die or it getting mentioned, but Uncannyxmen.net has her reported as dead. Did I miss something?
Any panel proof? Please post if proven...

I believe it is understood that she died trying to protect them from the Shadow King's evil internet virus (or whatever)

[Justin K.]

I believe it is understood that she died trying to protect them from the Shadow King's evil internet virus (or whatever)

I know, but is there any panel proof?
If so, where/when?

[SayOcean]

I know, but is there any panel proof?
If so, where/when?there wasnt any proof... i guess when she saw Piotr and Kitty come back without the students she unplugged her self from all that shit and peaced it out of there........I always wondered....since there wasnt supposed to be a real M where was her other sister supposed to be

[Justin K.]

there wasnt any proof... i guess when she saw Piotr and Kitty come back without the students she unplugged her self from all that shit and peaced it out of there........I always wondered....since there wasnt supposed to be a real M where was her other sister supposed to be

Her other sisters were with Emplate, working for Apocalypse.
They were on that squad with Northstar, Aurora, Havok, and the Bedlam Brothers.
When Emplate got shot, they were mind-linked to him, and him dying, well they spaced out
But in AoA, they were seperate people instead of one M.

[That JonoGuy]

Her other sisters were with Emplate, working for Apocalypse.
They were on that squad with Northstar, Aurora, Havok, and the Bedlam Brothers.
When Emplate got shot, they were mind-linked to him, and him dying, well they spaced out
But in AoA, they were seperate people instead of one M.

I remember that. That was in one of those AOA One-Shots after the initial event. I like that they used the twins, but it's a bit odd since i think K-I-A was referred to as Claudia. At least that is what her Wikipedia entry says. I'm missing a few Generation NeXt issues, so I don't know if that is accurate.

Here are two AOA avatars, plus some various others.

[Destro777]

I love this character.

I dug up my older Gen X issues (I only have the first 6 or so) because of the recent talk of Mike Carey including Emplate in a newer issue. I havent read the Gen X issues probably since they originally came out. Im utterly convinced Gen X #1 is one of the finest first issues in the history of comics. Immediately in issue 1 every character is likable and they all draw you in. The riff raffs between Jubilee and M are hilarious. And Chamber + Penance were such cool characters back then.

I think im gonna track down all the Bach and Buckingham issues - so much nostalgia in that art style from that time.

[4sake]

I love this character.

I dug up my older Gen X issues (I only have the first 6 or so) because of the recent talk of Mike Carey including Emplate in a newer issue. I havent read the Gen X issues probably since they originally came out. Im utterly convinced Gen X #1 is one of the finest first issues in the history of comics. Immediately in issue 1 every character is likable and they all draw you in. The riff raffs between Jubilee and M are hilarious. And Chamber + Penance were such cool characters back then.

I think im gonna track down all the Bach and Buckingham issues - so much nostalgia in that art style from that time.


http://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=82691

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http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/18265/857448-monet3_super.jpg

<3 <3 <3 Ale Garza.
<3 <3 <3 Gen X #41.

[That JonoGuy]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/18265/857448-monet3_super.jpg

<3 <3 <3 Ale Garza.
<3 <3 <3 Gen X #41.

I believe that was the first issue that Monet was out of the Penance form. I wish they had written her in a period of adjustment. She went from being trapped in the Penance form to being back to "normal".

I also wondered why they never dealt with how the rest of the team felt about what happened. It was like their relationship to the "M" they knew was forgotten and just taken up with the "new" M.

[Justin K.]

I like DeLandro's M, though I thought she was coloured a bit light
Here's a darkened version of her, avatar form...

[Slung]

I believe that was the first issue that Monet was out of the Penance form. I wish they had written her in a period of adjustment. She went from being trapped in the Penance form to being back to "normal".

I also wondered why they never dealt with how the rest of the team felt about what happened. It was like their relationship to the "M" they knew was forgotten and just taken up with the "new" M.

OMG, I know EXACTLTY what you're talking about. I remember reading the issue and thinking...well, its a nice issue - but its so stupid that no one is even dealing with the whole Monet/Penance thing. UGH! I hated the crappy retcon and I hated the way they covered it up. It was a bad time for Monet fans.

[7thangel]

personally, the writing and plotting of the series was lacking. it would make huge leaps without explanation between issues in the middle of arcs. the way the showed the aftermath that led to synch's death before the actual arc diminished any emotions, especially M's. it was like, wtf is she crying and breaking down for why are they missing ev? or skin constantly reminding everyone where he's from, etc, etc

good characters even the slightly bland ones (synch, husk, skin, mondo) but poor execution, imo.

[4sake]

X-Factor #46
http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2958&disp=table

[Justin K.]

X-Factor #46
http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2958&disp=table

**FAINTS**

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I believe that was the first issue that Monet was out of the Penance form. I wish they had written her in a period of adjustment. She went from being trapped in the Penance form to being back to "normal".

I also wondered why they never dealt with how the rest of the team felt about what happened. It was like their relationship to the "M" they knew was forgotten and just taken up with the "new" M.

Perhaps that was the best way to deal with a really bad retcon...try to not acknowledge it as much as possible.

X-Factor #46
http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2958&disp=table

So good.

I actually like dialogue-less previews.

[SayOcean]

Her other sisters were with Emplate, working for Apocalypse.
They were on that squad with Northstar, Aurora, Havok, and the Bedlam Brothers.
When Emplate got shot, they were mind-linked to him, and him dying, well they spaced out
But in AoA, they were seperate people instead of one M.No I got that....but orginally before the mini scott lobdell wrote Gen Next right??

At the time there wasnt supposed to be a real M, only the two girls??

my question was... what happened to Nichole??

[That JonoGuy]

No I got that....but orginally before the mini scott lobdell wrote Gen Next right??

At the time there wasnt supposed to be a real M, only the two girls??

my question was... what happened to Nichole??

I think KIA was initially supposed to be M Twins merged. I think I remember reading that Lobdell may have referred to her as Claudia as a tease to what would come later in the regular series. The way she was drawn seemed more mature than that of an 8 yr old.

[coconutphone]

Can someone remind me what exactly was the original plan for M's origin before the change?

[That JonoGuy]

Can someone remind me what exactly was the original plan for M's origin before the change?

This interview here (http://www.sugarbombs.com/genx/lobdell.htm) tells what Lobdell's original plans were.

[SayOcean]

I think KIA was initially supposed to be M Twins merged. I think I remember reading that Lobdell may have referred to her as Claudia as a tease to what would come later in the regular series. The way she was drawn seemed more mature than that of an 8 yr old.Damn Jono i never got a straight answer from anyone......its so simple i couldnt even think of it....your answer makes a lot of sense

[coconutphone]

This interview here (http://www.sugarbombs.com/genx/lobdell.htm) tells what Lobdell's original plans were.

Thank you!! That was a great interview.

[Justin K.]

An M sketch I drew, in this link:
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9197723&postcount=8

[Wind-Breaker]

I made this for the Draw me an X thread
http://www.jmosley3d.com/images/misc/monet.jpg

[That JonoGuy]

I made this for the Draw me an X thread
http://www.jmosley3d.com/images/misc/monet.jpg

Looks good. What kind of program do you use to make something like that?

[That JonoGuy]

X-Factor #46
http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2958&disp=table

It'll be nice to see a Valentine De Landro drawn Monet again. Even if most of it she looks all purple.

[Wind-Breaker]

Looks good. What kind of program do you use to make something like that?

Thanks, I use Maya (pro 3D animation software) for character modeling/texturing/rigging and Fireworks for image editing.

[That JonoGuy]

I've always wondered if the M Twins as "M" were to have looked like an exact copy the real M or if they just looked very similar. The twins they did look just like younger versions of M, so it would make sense they might look close to the real thing when merged. I want to see PAD address this at some point. It certainly would make for an interesting story.

What do you think?

[Faded]

I've always wondered if the M Twins as "M" were to have looked like an exact copy the real M or if they just looked very similar. The twins they did look just like younger versions of M, so it would make sense they might look close to the real thing when merged. I want to see PAD address this at some point. It certainly would make for an interesting story.

What do you think?

I think it'd be a cool thing to address.

Like, have Chamber and Jubilee guest-star and compare pics that they actually looked pretty different and Cartier St. Croix was just a sucky dad who couldn't tell the difference between his daughter and a proxy.

[That JonoGuy]

I wonder if M ever got around to getting that Tattoo she wanted when she and the rest of Generation X were attacked by Gene Nation. That certainly would be an easy identifier to tell her and the twins "M" apart.

[blinkinrogue]

i think they both looked the same, like the proverbial twin hehe. the others didnt seem to have problems identifying her as M.

[That JonoGuy]

A new Monet avatar taken from the cover of X-Factor's 50th issue. Also an edited darker version.

[SayOcean]

sucks M wont be around when her bro shows up

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A new Monet avatar taken from the cover of X-Factor's 50th issue.

That is so gorgeous.

I'm so glad to see a really good looking M again.

I might steal that avatar in a sec if no one else does. My Sally love will only last so long.

[That JonoGuy]

sucks M wont be around when her bro shows up

Yeah. Hopefully with him making a reappearance we can look forward to him showing up in Monet's life sooner than later.

The comments that Mike Carey made in his X-Position about Monet AND the twins makes me believe we might see that confrontation down the line. Or at least that's what I hope he was hinting at. You can never really tell though. Writers certainly aren't going to go out of their way to spoil what is coming ahead. They've got to keep some stuff secret.

[Faded]

Yeah. Hopefully with him making a reappearance we can look forward to him showing up in Monet's life sooner than later.

The comments that Mike Carey made in his X-Position about Monet AND the twins makes me believe we might see that confrontation down the line. Or at least that's what I hope he was hinting at. You can never really tell though. Writers certainly aren't going to go out of their way to spoil what is coming ahead. They've got to keep some stuff secret.

Carey seems to be a big Gen X fan, so I wonder why he couldn't/didn't want to factor Monet into the story.

Maybe Carey is collaborating with PAD or something. This seems like a big deal for the St. Croix family.

[Volk1]

A new Monet avatar taken from the cover of X-Factor's 50th issue.

Looks good but is she going the Michael Jackson route and getting lighter as she ages??:confused:

Bieng nitpicky. But I like consistency sometimes! :tongue: She should be a few shades darker.

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Looks good but is she going the Michael Jackson route and getting lighter as she ages??:confused:

Bieng nitpicky. But I like consistency sometimes! :tongue: She should be a few shades darker.

Plus it goes better with her costume. ;)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/18265/881065-xfactor_super.jpg

[Volk1]

Plus it goes better with her costume. ;)

Much better. :smile:

Even darker! Like her Gen X days. :cool:

[That JonoGuy]

Looks good but is she going the Michael Jackson route and getting lighter as she ages??:confused:

Bieng nitpicky. But I like consistency sometimes! :tongue: She should be a few shades darker.

Her skin color has always fluctuated, even from her early Generation X days. I just chalk it up to sun exposure.

[That JonoGuy]

i think they both looked the same, like the proverbial twin hehe. the others didn't seem to have problems identifying her as M.

I'm not sure what you mean by that last line. They didn't really have to identify her.

I think it would be far more interesting if they did look alike, but weren't 100% mirror images of each other. Maybe the real M has a birth mark that the twins "M" don't have. It just seems too simple for them to be exact copies. What kind of messed up power is it to merge with your one sister to become a lookalike of your other sister. Talk about a lame power. :biggrin:

[SayOcean]

I'm not sure what you mean by that last line. They didn't really have to identify her.

I think it would be far more interesting if they did look alike, but weren't 100% mirror images of each other. Maybe the real M has a birth mark that the twins "M" don't have. It just seems too simple for them to be exact copies. What kind of messed up power is it to merge with your one sister to become a lookalike of your other sister. Talk about a lame power. :biggrin:you know thats not the only thing they could do right? and it would be kinda stupid for them to merge and NOT look like M.....oh so they merge and look exactly like their sister EXCEPT for...(insert random thing)

[That JonoGuy]

you know thats not the only thing they could do right?

Of course. I was only joking. Hence the smilie.


and it would be kinda stupid for them to merge and NOT look like M.....oh so they merge and look exactly like their sister EXCEPT for...(insert random thing)

But why would their merged self look exactly like M in the first place? Granted it is a pretty unique power, and quite specific. It just seems odd to me. I figure there has got to be a reason other than being just a part of their power set.

[blinkinrogue]

what if, when M gets older, she gets - gasp! - even more powers??!!!

[SayOcean]

what if, when M gets older, she gets - gasp! - even more powers??!!!AWESOME....girlish squeal

Of course. I was only joking. Hence the smilie.



But why would their merged self look exactly like M in the first place? Granted it is a pretty unique power, and quite specific. It just seems odd to me. I figure there has got to be a reason other than being just a part of their power set.Magic.....why woudlnt they look like M? thats their sister and i think all of them all have magical abilities

[blinkinrogue]

what should M's 1001st power be?

energy projection?
ice/flame-based powers?
shapeshifting? you now, when she gets older, to prevent wrinkles? ( i already assume she is wrinkle-proof though, goes with the perfection territory).

[That JonoGuy]

Amelle Berrabah was one of the picks i thought would make a good Monet. The musical group she is in (Sugababes) just happened to release a music video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS8xiUlYNO0) which contains some lyrics from the Right Said Fred song that Monet was caught singing. What are the odds.

[coconutphone]

Moners! Less than 24hrs until I get to read more X-factor goodness and get my monthly Monet dose.

[Marvelboy1974]

I really like Monet, and noticed a lot of beautiful woman that could play a great M.

Isn't she half Bosnian and half Algerian? I always thought of her having more of a mediterranean look.

Does anyone have any ideas of a real Algerian or Bosnian actress/model that could play her?

[Justin K.]

I really like Monet, and noticed a lot of beautiful woman that could play a great M.

Isn't she half Bosnian and half Algerian? I always thought of her having more of a mediterranean look.

Does anyone have any ideas of a real Algerian or Bosnian actress/model that could play her?

I thought Monet had some Moroccan in her...
Either way, I vote Emmanuelle Chriqui

http://ripcordnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/emmanuelle-chriqui.jpghttp://www.topnews.in/light/files/images/Emmanuelle-Chriqui9.jpg

[Mia]

Wiki says that Monet's mother is from Algeria. Has it ever been shown flash backs any histroy on her mother?

[That JonoGuy]

I really like Monet, and noticed a lot of beautiful woman that could play a great M.

Isn't she half Bosnian and half Algerian? I always thought of her having more of a mediterranean look.

Does anyone have any ideas of a real Algerian or Bosnian actress/model that could play her?

French Algerian actress Leïla Bekhti has been mentioned before.

Here is a nice shot (http://media.monstersandcritics.com/galleries/1739694/0173208155085.jpg) of Leïla in a very Monet like pose.

[That JonoGuy]

I thought Monet had some Moroccan in her...
Either way, I vote Emmanuelle Chriqui


That was a mix up. I think the writer got confused between Morocco and Monaco (where her home was).

[Justin K.]

That was a mix up. I think the writer got confused between Morocco and Monaco (where her home was).

Oh... I still want Emmanuelle as Monet nonetheless.

[Free-Man]

My choice still is Alicia Keyes!

And has anyone gotten a chance to read the new issue of X-Factor yet? There are always a few people who seem to get to read the comics before they drop.

[That JonoGuy]

Here is a Monet avatar from the cover to X-Factor's 200th issue. Without giving too much away for those who don't read solicitations, Monet has a pretty big story starting that issue. I'm really looking forward to it.

[moneyspider]

I've just looked at this entire thread for the first time today...wow.

Well, to sum it all up...M seems cool, perhaps her fluctuating skin tone should be another one of her mutant powers (haha) and I guess I should pick up Generation X and X-Factor.

My question is...does M's name ever appear on the lists of the smartest people on Marvel Earth?

[coconutphone]

I've just looked at this entire thread for the first time today...wow.

Well, to sum it all up...M seems cool, perhaps her fluctuating skin tone should be another one of her mutant powers (haha) and I guess I should pick up Generation X and X-Factor.

My question is...does M's name ever appear on the lists of the smartest people on Marvel Earth?

I don't think so. She's not in teh Top 10 I believe. Probably 20. It is something I wish PAD would focus on a bit more.

[Yogaflame]

That's my biggest problem with PAD's Monet. She's not a bitch just because, she's aloof and bitchy because she actually is wayyy smarter than everyone around her. Like how Pietro is so short with people because they seem to be moving in slow motion. Also, I don't like how he's limited her telepathic abilities. M has given Emma a problem or two back in the Gen X days, she shouldn't have to touch people's temples and stuff to get in their heads. She mindwiped an entire subway crowd that one time(after catching some bullets!).

[4sake]

That's my biggest problem with PAD's Monet. She's not a bitch just because, she's aloof and bitchy because she actually is wayyy smarter than everyone around her. Like how Pietro is so short with people because they seem to be moving in slow motion. Also, I don't like how he's limited her telepathic abilities. M has given Emma a problem or two back in the Gen X days, she shouldn't have to touch people's temples and stuff to get in their heads. She mindwiped an entire subway crowd that one time(after catching some bullets!).

Co-signed :cool:

[coconutphone]

Well to be fair a lot of that was in the early days when it was her sisters impersonating her. Who's to say they copied her power levels exactly.

[Perfection/Emma 2]

That's my biggest problem with PAD's Monet. She's not a bitch just because, she's aloof and bitchy because she actually is wayyy smarter than everyone around her. Like how Pietro is so short with people because they seem to be moving in slow motion. Also, I don't like how he's limited her telepathic abilities. M has given Emma a problem or two back in the Gen X days, she shouldn't have to touch people's temples and stuff to get in their heads. She mindwiped an entire subway crowd that one time(after catching some bullets!).

I agree strongly

[That JonoGuy]

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/212/monetstcroix.png

[SugarMan]

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/212/monetstcroix.png

Thanks for that. Monet is one of my favorites X-Men too, and a somewhat wasted character, even though she's still active in X-Factor. There's way too much about that St. Croix family that we don't know about. Just how powerful are they? Emplate has finally shown his ugly face again, so maybe we'll get a few answers. (BTW, Emplate says Penance is no longer a mutant, so where are the twins?)

[That JonoGuy]

BTW, Emplate says Penance is no longer a mutant, so where are the twins?

The twins should be living with their father or at some expensive boarding school. As far as Penance goes, I thought it was just an empty shell or something. I never did get around to reading Loners.

[peopleofpaper]

I love Joe Mad's M

http://i36.tinypic.com/2moxwgi.jpg

[fortyseven]

I love Joe Mad's M

http://i36.tinypic.com/2moxwgi.jpg

Monet looks great there!!
Awww :frown: that scan makes me really miss "Family X-Men". "Army X-Men" just isn't the same.

[peopleofpaper]

Monet looks great there!!
Awww :frown: that scan makes me really miss "Family X-Men". "Army X-Men" just isn't the same.

I agree :frown: Too many mutants nowaday

[SayOcean]

I love Joe Mad's M

http://i36.tinypic.com/2moxwgi.jpgyeah me to she was so hot

The twins should be living with their father or at some expensive boarding school. As far as Penance goes, I thought it was just an empty shell or something. I never did get around to reading Loners.nope aparently it has a mind of its own goes by the name hollow now and i think it boinks the new green goblin

Thanks for that. Monet is one of my favorites X-Men too, and a somewhat wasted character, even though she's still active in X-Factor. There's way too much about that St. Croix family that we don't know about. Just how powerful are they? Emplate has finally shown his ugly face again, so maybe we'll get a few answers. (BTW, Emplate says Penance is no longer a mutant, so where are the twins?)when did Emplate say that abount Penance and it sucks there wont be any Mvs Emplte time in Legacy

That's my biggest problem with PAD's Monet. She's not a bitch just because, she's aloof and bitchy because she actually is wayyy smarter than everyone around her. Like how Pietro is so short with people because they seem to be moving in slow motion. Also, I don't like how he's limited her telepathic abilities. M has given Emma a problem or two back in the Gen X days, she shouldn't have to touch people's temples and stuff to get in their heads. She mindwiped an entire subway crowd that one time(after catching some bullets!).agreed

[fortyseven]

I agree :frown: Too many mutants nowaday

I know. It's weird that Marvel wanted M-Day to happen so that they could reduce the amount of mutants running around, but with them all in the same place now, it just feels like there's WAY too many. Everyone needs to spread out and the X-Men need to become a close knit group again.

Oh, and to remain on topic: Monet is all levels of awesomeness. :biggrin:

[Justin K.]

I love Joe Mad's M

http://i36.tinypic.com/2moxwgi.jpg

I like Jubilee's Weezer shirt.

[Bolebeau]

Here you go, jarrod darling.

[jarrod]

Race/Age retcon undone!

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z76/Rebel_Rogue/228_0008.jpg

[ZNOP]

Race/Age retcon undone!

What race retcon?

[Havok83]

What race retcon?
its the ongoing discussion regarding how Monet was colored black in Gen X but closer to a white woman in X-Factor

[jarrod]

What race retcon?
Cartier St. Croix, Monet's dad. He went from elder mustached white man in Uncanny to middle aged clean shaven black man in later Gen X. Stayed French though iirc.

[That JonoGuy]

The fuss over the family portrait seen in X-Men Legacy seems a bit strange to me. It looks like a B/W-like photo. You don't really see much color except for her mother's faded blue shirt. Unless there is more than just the family photo, this whole argument seems kind of pointless.

[ZNOP]

its the ongoing discussion regarding how Monet was colored black in Gen X but closer to a white woman in X-Factor

Cartier St. Croix, Monet's dad. He went from elder mustached white man in Uncanny to middle aged clean shaven black man in later Gen X. Stayed French though iirc.

I've long come to the conclusion that, "that" debate is really an "artist" based preception. As long as it has been discussed -- the "matter of fact" is what do the people of Algeria and Morocco (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090607024645AAJTycF) look like physically. She's obviously a person of color and, not white at all. But, then... That's my opinion.

[jarrod]

I've long come to the conclusion that, "that" debate is really an "artist" based preception. As long as it has been discussed -- the "matter of fact" is what do the people of Algeria and Morocco (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090607024645AAJTycF) looked like physically. She's obviously a person of color and, not white at all. But, then... That's my opinion.
I'd say that's the sensible conclusion. Monet's race really isn't at issue imo (nor that of her siblings), it's more her dad that's debatable.

[ZNOP]

I'd say that's the sensible conclusion. Monet's race really isn't at issue imo (nor that of her siblings), it's more her dad that's debatable.

It wouldn't be the first time... The original Kree had blue-colored skin but, then a second racial group with "Pink" skin emerged. Now, the "Pink" Kree are "White" And, last I checked "Pink" is not "White". So, go figure:wink:

[That JonoGuy]

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9167/47597796.png

[Havok83]

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9167/47597796.png
Haha, good one.

I havent read X-factor since Messiah Complex? Has Monet done anythng impresisve with her TP? She has it but it was always down on the ladder of powers she actually used

[Dr Ray Palmer]

I havent read X-factor since Messiah Complex? Has Monet done anythng impresisve with her TP? She has it but it was always down on the ladder of powers she actually used

I don't really feel like Monet's done anything impressive, period. I keep waiting for her to get a good storyline or even a lot of fun dialogue, and I'm consistently let down. Even when she's featured on the cover, she's doing the "possessed by evil forces" routine, or we see 2 pages of her and then she disappears again.

I never cared or even knew much about her before the current X-Factor series launched, but in the first dozen issues or so, PAD turned her into my favorite character in the book. But for the last couple of years I feel like she hasn't done anything, and sometimes I wonder why she's even still around. I still feel like I don't even understand her motivation for hanging around with these people. Peter David is clearly a great writer, but I feel like Monet is never on the receiving end of that greatness anymore. It's disappointing. :frown:

[Havok83]

I don't really feel like Monet's done anything impressive, period. I keep waiting for her to get a good storyline or even a lot of fun dialogue, and I'm consistently let down. Even when she's featured on the cover, she's doing the "possessed by evil forces" routine, or we see 2 pages of her and then she disappears again.

I never cared or even knew much about her before the current X-Factor series launched, but in the first dozen issues or so, PAD turned her into my favorite character in the book. But for the last couple of years I feel like she hasn't done anything, and sometimes I wonder why she's even still around. I still feel like I don't even understand her motivation for hanging around with these people. Peter David is clearly a great writer, but I feel like Monet is never on the receiving end of that greatness anymore. It's disappointing. :frown:
As a Monet fan, thats rather disappointing. She was my favorite in Gen X and was happy when I heard she was picked up to be featured in X-factor. Then PAD did little to nothing with her. I got tired of waiting and eventually dropped the book. I was hoping things changed but it doesnt sound as if they did for her

[Perfection/Emma 2]

As a Monet fan, thats rather disappointing. She was my favorite in Gen X and was happy when I heard she was picked up to be featured in X-factor. Then PAD did little to nothing with her. I got tired of waiting and eventually dropped the book. I was hoping things changed but it doesnt sound as if they did for her

I say we give her to Carey:biggrin:

[Justin K.]

As a Monet fan, thats rather disappointing. She was my favorite in Gen X and was happy when I heard she was picked up to be featured in X-factor. Then PAD did little to nothing with her. I got tired of waiting and eventually dropped the book. I was hoping things changed but it doesnt sound as if they did for her

As of X-Factor #200, she is getting a story. It involves her and her dad.
Maybe we'll see the twins again too... hopefully...

[ohsnapulon5000]

ok, ok, i know that x-men ages are always up for debate but how old is M supposed to be roughly? i always get confused because her maturity makes her seem older but then if she was 16 when gen-x started, she should only be like 19 now. right?

[That JonoGuy]

ok, ok, i know that x-men ages are always up for debate but how old is M supposed to be roughly? i always get confused because her maturity makes her seem older but then if she was 16 when gen-x started, she should only be like 19 now. right?

I think 19 roughly sounds about right.

[Justin K.]

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9167/47597796.png

I miss Raimondi :frown:

[blinkinrogue]

i kinda agree with havok regarding m's treatment in xfactor, i stopped collecting it and only got issues that seemed interesting or talked about in the forums.

[Leirus]

i kinda agree with havok regarding m's treatment in xfactor, i stopped collecting it and only got issues that seemed interesting or talked about in the forums.

Well, in general there are not really big power feats in X-Factor. I think it is related to the street level the series has... Mont is treated more as psychich in a a noir film than as a superhero telepath. And I think it probably works for most stories...

[4sake]

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/X_FACTOR_202.jpg

X-FACTOR #202
Written by PETER DAVID
Penciled by BING CANSINO
Cover by DAVID YARDIN
Special Variant by TBA
It's all been building toward this: A suicidal assault on Castle Doom in the heart of Latveria as the unlikely trio of Monet, Shatterstar and the Thing go head-to-head with the guy who has his own complete country. Meanwhile, who or what exactly was buried in that lonely grave? And did Madrox arrive in time to make a difference? Plus, Franklin and Valeria Richards are on the run from the most unexpected enemy of all, and the only person who can defend them is...Strong Guy? Part 3 of "The Invisible Woman has Vanished!" Get it before it vanishes off the shelves!
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

[That JonoGuy]

Be sure to check out the Variants for X-Factor #200 (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=23827). Some Monet goodness in both

[Faded]

Be sure to check out the Variants for X-Factor #200 (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=23827). Some Monet goodness in both

She's finally starting to look good again (cuz honestly I didn't really like Raimondi's version most of the time).

[That JonoGuy]

Maguire's Monet is some serious hot stuff. I just had to make a more Monet centric image.

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6454/monet.png

[eurazn]

Maguire's Monet is some serious hot stuff. I just had to make a more Monet centric image.

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6454/monet.png

That's so HAWT.

[Havok83]

Maguire's Monet is some serious hot stuff. I just had to make a more Monet centric image.

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6454/monet.png
she's not saying anything yet she looks like such a stuck up bitch...I love it!

[coconutphone]

Moners <3

This month sucked being X-Factor-free :frown:

[4sake]

http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=32307

[Faded]

Maguire's Monet is some serious hot stuff. I just had to make a more Monet centric image.

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6454/monet.png

That's the greatest.

I really love seeing Monet dressed better, colored more distinctively M-ish, and just generally looking like she's ready to crush the boys with nothing but a finger, a raised brow, and a stone-cold stare.

[tenlientl]

I recently became a M fan coz of X-Factor. I originally wanted to collect Generation X because of her, but got New Mutants instead for Winter.

Anyways, I know it's because of PAD that I like M so much, but how is she compared to Generation X's M? Was she still... a "female dog"?

[tenlientl]

I recently became a M fan coz of X-Factor. I originally wanted to collect Generation X because of her, but got New Mutants instead for Winter.

Anyways, I know it's because of PAD that I like M so much, but how is she compared to Generation X's M? Was she still... a "female dog"?

[SayOcean]

I recently became a M fan coz of X-Factor. I originally wanted to collect Generation X because of her, but got New Mutants instead for Winter.

Anyways, I know it's because of PAD that I like M so much, but how is she compared to Generation X's M? Was she still... a "female dog"?not sure if i remember M turning into a dog in any issue, The M in Gen X is a lil bit better than the one in Xfactor....bitch was crazy

[That JonoGuy]

Monet is featured in the preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=4287&disp=table) for X-Factor #201.

[psycwave]

Maguire's Monet is some serious hot stuff. I just had to make a more Monet centric image.

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6454/monet.png

I love this. And that preview looks really good. Monet dealing with daddy being captured is nice. I wonder if we will see the twins as well.

[franckd]

Monet was a great character under Lobdell's Gen X run. The concept was wasted by Hama, and the character damaged. But now, she rules again. Thank you Mr David. Your X-Factor is so good, I can't do anything but praising your work.

[drownedbyimmolation]

*Is in awe of Monet*

[LittleMissVixen]

Glad Monet is acting and looking like her old self again.

[Sylarmax]

My choice still is Alicia Keyes!

And has anyone gotten a chance to read the new issue of X-Factor yet? There are always a few people who seem to get to read the comics before they drop.

:confused:

Monet is not black, nor has that ethnic ancestry.

Monet has blood French and Algerian, caucasian ethnicity, Algerians have the blood of moors, with a mixture of spanish, italian and arabes.

Monet is fine features and hair is not african, she would type Emmanuel Chriqui when the draw little more bronze, when it is most clear, more serious type of Monica Bellucci but within ethnicity caucasian.

Not understand how confused monet with a black, and I'm not racist but that's not the race of monet. :wink:

[Havok83]

:confused:

Monet is not black, nor has that ethnic ancestry.

Monet has blood French and Algerian, caucasian ethnicity, Algerians have the blood of moors, with a mixture of spanish, italian and arabes.

Monet is fine features and hair is not african, she would type Emmanuel Chriqui when the draw little more bronze, when it is most clear, more serious type of Monica Bellucci but within ethnicity caucasian.

Not understand how confused monet with a black, and I'm not racist but that's not the race of monet. :wink:
Monet is black. Thats a fact thats been apart of the character's history up until she joined X-factor but thankfully, she is once again being colored as black

[That JonoGuy]

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/719/stcroix.png

Monet and Cartier St. Croix

[Shadey10]

:confused:

Monet is not black, nor has that ethnic ancestry.

Monet has blood French and Algerian, caucasian ethnicity, Algerians have the blood of moors, with a mixture of spanish, italian and arabes.

Monet is fine features and hair is not african, she would type Emmanuel Chriqui when the draw little more bronze, when it is most clear, more serious type of Monica Bellucci but within ethnicity caucasian.

Not understand how confused monet with a black, and I'm not racist but that's not the race of monet. :wink:

Ummm Monet is black and has always been black.

[Leirus]

Ummm Monet is black and has always been black.

She is algerian.
Algerians look like this.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01537/algeria-1_1537672i.jpg

If you think that is black, fine. But people will disagree...

[UNICEF]

Monet is North African (Algerian). That doesn't make her black that makes her closer to Arab.

I like how Monet's been used in Xfactor. They've thankfully forgotten all that twins crap. The whole story was lost because when Bachalo drew the story ALL the genX kids looks like tiny little 5 yr olds, so figuring out that "M" had been her younger sisters visually was confusing.

I like that she's smart, strong, bitchy. It's like having Forge, Rogue and Emma all wrapped up in a very cool package.

[Havok83]

She is algerian.
Algerians look like this.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01537/algeria-1_1537672i.jpg

If you think that is black, fine. But people will disagree...
Bc EVERY single person in Algeria looks like that? Again aside from her previous appearances in X-factor, she's always been dark skinned. She and her family were brought on as black characters.

[UNICEF]

Bc EVERY single person in Algeria looks like that? Again aside from her previous appearances in X-factor, she's always been dark skinned. She and her family were brought on as black characters.

NO they were not.

When Monet first appeared during the Phalanx Covenant she was brought on as Algerian living in Monaco.

There's a BIG difference between what people look like in North Africa and sub-Saharan Africa.

[Sylarmax]

Monet is not black, their genetic line says...their factions they say... she has no African hair.

Algerians are not ethnic black, are mostly Caucasian.

See a black woman ( not bi racial )... face and hair ethnic.

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/8928/95773735.png



Monet and family.

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/6754/55184677.png




If you think that is black, fine. But people will disagree...

Agree with this.

[Yogaflame]

That's like putting up a picture of Anglo-Americans and saying, 'see, Americans are white!'.

Algerians come in all colors. While Arabs make up the majority of the population today, Algeria's indigenous population is black African. Monet has always been portrayed as a woman of color with at least 50% black African heritage

http://themoornextdoor.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/boutefsud1.jpg

http://www.oleole.com/media/main/images/blogs/images/group1/subgrp359/blogimg_3222_71769-20090317201847475674.jpg

http://www.latribune-online.com/thumbnail.php?file=03_811527237.jpg&size=article_medium

[UNICEF]

You don't know the difference between sub-Saharan African and BEDOUIN (the nomadic men in your first photo)

Her family is upper class and the upper classes of Algeria are the lighter skinned arab looking population.

If she were a commoner I'd agree with your rationalization, but she's an aristocratic rich bitch.

As for the photos. Same goes with yours. The photos you googled aren't indicative of Algeria's population.

I look at Monet as one of Gaddafi's female guards.

http://mockduck.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/qaddafi_guards.jpg

[Sylarmax]

:confused: .................................................. ................. lol


Her face and hair say otherwise, Monet is more blood moorish or arabic.

That even the dark are of caucasian ethnicity, * If there are black people segregated, for those areas *, but Monet represents more the moors or arabs, not black... to the family portrait prove.

Face and hair non-African.

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/6754/55184677.png

[Yogaflame]

http://tentative.net/mfiles/interior/monetmarius.jpg

(Here's a little secret, if you run a hot iron through the hair of people from African descent, the spirals will relax resulting in 'straight' hair)

[Havok83]

NO they were not.

When Monet first appeared during the Phalanx Covenant she was brought on as Algerian living in Monaco.

There's a BIG difference between what people look like in North Africa and sub-Saharan Africa.This is one of M's earliest appearance. She was drawn and colored as black.

Monet is not black, their genetic line says...their factions they say... she has no African hair.

Like Storm? She has super straight hair and no one's disputed her race

[Leirus]

Bc EVERY single person in Algeria looks like that? Again aside from her previous appearances in X-factor, she's always been dark skinned. She and her family were brought on as black characters.

Well, nearly all of them, yes. Algeria is not the United States, the population is not that varied. And usually in north africa, the people with "Old money" and european ancestry, as is the case, looks very much like your average spanish or italian. It just does not really makes much sense for her to be black. It is like if you were to have a character who is an aristocratic english and you give her a japanese ethnicty.

(oh, wait)

At any rate, with the variety of colours she has had, I guess you can decide she is the colour you want, if that makes you like her more. maybe to a certain level I do the same, as I saw my first black person ever on real life when I was a teenager, while arabs have been always around..

[Leirus]

That's like putting up a picture of Anglo-Americans and saying, 'see, Americans are white!'.

Algerians come in all colors. While Arabs make up the majority of the population today, Algeria's indigenous population is black African. Monet has always been portrayed as a woman of color with at least 50% black African heritage

http://themoornextdoor.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/boutefsud1.jpg

http://www.oleole.com/media/main/images/blogs/images/group1/subgrp359/blogimg_3222_71769-20090317201847475674.jpg

http://www.latribune-online.com/thumbnail.php?file=03_811527237.jpg&size=article_medium


You know that people of the futball teams are not always from the country right?. And yes, there is a minority of beduins and people living in the deser who are darker or have sub saharian blood, but they are a minority (less than a fiver percent). I am just saying that population does not work in Europe and North Africa in the same way.

[franckd]

Some americans guys don't travel that much, don't have much foreign culture except trought FOX MEDIA propagande. The reality of Europe and Africa is far different than your favorite TV programms show.

Anyway, Monet is algerian. She has a dark skin tone, but she's not black.

[Sylarmax]

This is one of M's earliest appearance. She was drawn and colored as black.

Like Storm? She has super straight hair and no one's disputed her race



:confused: ...


Storm is a special case, but the storm's ethnic face.

That of non-monet, Monet is not black, represents more arab or moor.

The skin depends on the artist... but this is not black...

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/6754/55184677.png


Caucasian face and hair, should not be so closed-minded.


Anyway, Monet is algerian. She has a dark skin tone, but she's not black.

Exactly.

[franckd]

http://tentative.net/mfiles/interior/monetmarius.jpg

(Here's a little secret, if you run a hot iron through the hair of people from African descent, the spirals will relax resulting in 'straight' hair)

Try it on your brain. Maybe you'll see straighter too.

[Havok83]

:confused: ...


Storm is a special case, but the storm's ethnic face.

That of non-monet, Monet is not black, represents more arab or moor.

The skin depends on the artist... but this is not black...

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/6754/55184677.pngthose are images of her post-Xfactor where its been noted that they changed her up. That is not how she was originally portrayed.

[franckd]

those are images of her post-Xfactor where its been noted that they changed her up. That is not how she was originally portrayed.

Why part of "Dark Skin tone" you don't get ?

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/18265/378451-183008-m_super.jpg

PS The following message is not for you Havok83, but for SOME fans : I am a french fanboy living in north africa, but well, I suppose some american guys that never moved beyond their town know it better.

[Leirus]

Why part of "Dark Skin tone" you don't get ?

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/18265/378451-183008-m_super.jpg

Gorgeous. Love those early gen-x issues, before Bachalo evolved. I like him now, also, but those issues are truly beautiful.

[Sylarmax]

Was originally portrayed straight hair,and face Caucasic. :wink:

The skin is question of colorist...stress ... :tongue:

Monet represents moor or arabic, no black people.

[Leirus]

At any rate she is a fictional character, so everyone can assume she is any colour, and be happy with it.

I was thinking... are the St. Croix Twins still powered?

[franckd]

Was originally portrayed straight hair,and face Caucasic. :wink:

The skin is question of colorist...stress ... :tongue:

Monet represents moor or arabic, no black people.

:) Colorists mess up eyes colors all the time. And don't get me started on Monet and Syren suits and skin color mistake in an early X-Factor from Peter David's second run.

[UNICEF]

This is one of M's earliest appearance. She was drawn and colored as black.

Like Storm? She has super straight hair and no one's disputed her race

because Storm was written IN her description that her parents were from Kenya (sub-saharan africa). Monet was introduced as ALGERIAN.

here is a page from the Phalanx Covenant

http://www.4thletter.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/monet_05.jpg

[kk1]

Was originally portrayed straight hair,and face Caucasic. :wink:

The skin is question of colorist...stress ... :tongue:

Monet represents moor or arabic, no black people.


The natives of North Africa are called Berbers and...

The population of Algeria is 35,190,000 (January 2009 est.), with 99% classified ethnically as Berber/Arab

Berbers are primarily an indigenous North African people who possess some European and Sub-Saharan influences. In general physical appearance varies along a North-South cline. Populations in the North are typically Mediterranean. As one travels further south there is a gradual increase in the Sub-Saharan component.[29] Many Tuareg people have phenotypes typical of Sub-Saharan populations such as dark skin, whereas other Berber populations exhibit phenotypes such as blonde hair or a variety of eye colors indicating the likelihood of gene flow from Northern Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Berber_tunisie_1910.jpg

[Havok83]

because Storm was written IN her description that her parents were from Kenya (sub-saharan africa). Monet was introduced as ALGERIAN.


people from Kenya, traditionally have long straight hair as opposed to afro hair?

[Yogaflame]

Try it on your brain. Maybe you'll see straighter too.

My, my, aren't you a charming one.

[UNICEF]

people from Kenya, traditionally have long straight hair as opposed to afro hair?

No. people from Kenya are dark skinned and are entirely different than people from Algeria.

Storm herself has NO physical characteristics of anyone from Kenya other than her skin color.

You're missing the point entirely!

Monet is Algerian and always has been. People from Algeria are NOT "Black"

[Sylarmax]

because Storm was written IN her description that her parents were from Kenya (sub-saharan africa). Monet was introduced as ALGERIAN.

here is a page from the Phalanx Covenant

Exactly, represents algerian women, ethnicity over moorish and arabic ( Caucasian ). :wink:


:) Colorists mess up eyes colors all the time. And don't get me started on Monet and Syren suits and skin color mistake in an early X-Factor from Peter David's second run.

Yea :redface: , but certainly, does not represent a black woman, represents an Algerian woman.

We should not be closed minded, and do not say this as an attack for anyone.

[Yogaflame]

Monet is Algerian and always has been. People from Algeria are NOT "Black"


Not all Algerians are white invaders, most are, but not all. The indigenous Algerians are black, as are all indigenous Saharans.

http://exploringafrica.matrix.msu.edu/images/algeria_nomad_woman.jpg

I understand your point about 'high class' Algerians being Arab/white, but to me at least it seemed Cartier St. Croix was the 'high class' French ambassador and his still undisclosed wife was black Algerian, and thus the children were biracial, but black in appearance. As you can see in the pic I posted previously, Marius has natural dreadlocks, which means he has 'ethnic' hair, and Monet could just have 'good hair' or artificially straighten hers. Regardless, it is clear in her original appearances and development in Gen X that Monet was of black African heritage.

[UNICEF]

I'm sorry but you're reaching for your argument.

You can't claim someone's race by how an artist and colorist depict a comic book character's hair style. They are written to be Algerian which is not black. And the person you posted in that photo is not Algerian, but a nomadic Bedouin.


Like you said "undisclosed" wife meaning you don't know for sure so you can't speculate other than knowing that Monet and her siblings are ALGERIAN!

[Sylarmax]

people from Kenya, traditionally have long straight hair as opposed to afro hair?

sure?

http://www.phototravels.net/kenya/kikuyu/photo-kenya-kikuyu-d-084.2.jpg

looks like the ethnic face.

Not monet, or face or hair, Monet would be something like this with the change of tone they want.

http://www.foroswebgratis.com/fotos/1/8/2/9/0//139846Fotos%20arabes%20Marcia%20067.jpg

[kk1]

Not all Algerians are white invaders, most are, but not all. The indigenous Algerians are black, as are all indigenous Saharans.


That's the mosrt assanine uninformed ignorant statement I've ever read on this board(and that's saying something) even if it is meant just to flame someone.

[Yogaflame]

I'm sorry but you're reaching for your argument.

You can't claim someone's race by how an artist and colorist depict a comic book character's hair style. They are written to be Algerian which is not black. And the person you posted in that photo is not Algerian, but a nomadic Bedouin.


Like you said "undisclosed" wife meaning you don't know for sure so you can't speculate other than knowing that Monet and her siblings are ALGERIAN!

You have an interesting way of combining nationality with ethnicity. You must understand that not everyone in Algeria is white or Arabic, and in fact, the whites and Arabs are not even really from Algeria. This is like saying Americans are all white just because a few hundred years ago white people went to America and committed genocide and enslaved/rounded up the few remaining survivors, displacing the indigenous population with their own progeny. Most people who live in America today are white, but "Americans" can not be said to be only or truly "white". It is the same for the Sahara, though its genocide goes back thousands of years now.

[Leirus]

Not all Algerians are white invaders, most are, but not all. The indigenous Algerians are black, as are all indigenous Saharans.

http://exploringafrica.matrix.msu.edu/images/algeria_nomad_woman.jpg

I understand your point about 'high class' Algerians being Arab/white, but to me at least it seemed Cartier St. Croix was the 'high class' French ambassador and his still undisclosed wife was black Algerian, and thus the children were biracial, but black in appearance. As you can see in the pic I posted previously, Marius has natural dreadlocks, which means he has 'ethnic' hair, and Monet could just have 'good hair' or artificially straighten hers. Regardless, it is clear in her original appearances and development in Gen X that Monet was of black African heritage.

Dude, the indigenous saharians are not all black. The Saharauis are certainly not. The berebers are also not alhough naturaly near Mauritania they have mixed with the black population, and the Tuaregs... well, they are nomads, and their race type changes across the desert. It is a really big place.

The aboriginal Algerians were Berebers, and they were conquered later by romans, arabs, and later on by europeans. None of these are specially black...

Moent was developed as the snob child of a rich algerian diplomat. I see the african heritage, but not the black one. Even more, Monet has been shown more in touch with her french side than with the algerian one. To the best of my memory we have never seen her in Algeria, but we have seen her in France a couple of times, and she loves Paris.

You have an interesting way of combining nationality with ethnicity. You must understand that not everyone in Algeria is white or Arabic, and in fact, the whites and Arabs are not even really from Algeria. This is like saying Americans are all white just because a few hundred years ago white people went to America and committed genocide and enslaved/rounded up the few remaining survivors, displacing the indigenous population with their own progeny. Most people who live in America today are white, but "Americans" can not be said to be only or truly "white". It is the same for the Sahara, though its genocide goes back thousands of years now.

Whut? People from North Africa has never been black! That is why the term "Sub Saharian" is used as a synonim of "Black African". There was not a genocide of an original black people of North Africa as you seem to be implying...

[psycwave]

So....uh....what do you gys think is gonna happen with Monet's dad?

[Leirus]

So....uh....what do you gys think is gonna happen with Monet's dad?

I wanna know if her sisters are still powered up... There was a solicitation which spoke about someone trying to kill her father or did I dream that one?

[Yogaflame]

What do you think happens when a group is conquered by another group? Genocide and rape. That's what happens. It still happens to this day, Sudan is a striking example. I don't think you understand the word 'indigenous' either. I mean, the first people. The original people. The people who have been there from tens of thousands of years.

http://www.elvincountry.com/travel-images/13109561.jpg

[RickyD410]

I wanna know if her sisters are still powered up... There was a solicitation which spoke about someone trying to kill her father or did I dream that one?

No, thats true. That's Monet's current plot in X-Factor. Her father was kidnapped by terrorists and they're holding him ransom. I wonder whats up with her sisters, yeah. They've been mentioned briefly in X-Factor, so PAD remembers them.

[Sylarmax]

You have an interesting way of combining nationality with ethnicity. You must understand that not everyone in Algeria is white or Arabic

But ... not the case of monet.

I do not understand, why the effort to change the race of monet ? ethnicity is not the african, is Algerian in any space in the planet. :cool:


http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/39189/1055449-mplate_young_super.jpg

[UNICEF]

You have an interesting way of combining nationality with ethnicity. You must understand that not everyone in Algeria is white or Arabic, and in fact, the whites and Arabs are not even really from Algeria. This is like saying Americans are all white just because a few hundred years ago white people went to America and committed genocide and enslaved/rounded up the few remaining survivors, displacing the indigenous population with their own progeny. Most people who live in America today are white, but "Americans" can not be said to be only or truly "white". It is the same for the Sahara, though its genocide goes back thousands of years now.

What I'm trying to avoid is the Western assumption/misconception that all people from Africa are black and that isn't true at all.

I think Monet's dad is going to die. When Gen X ended Artie, Leech and Penance were sent to live with Monet's father (her twin sisters living with him as well)

[psycwave]

I wanna know if her sisters are still powered up... There was a solicitation which spoke about someone trying to kill her father or did I dream that one?

No, thats true. That's Monet's current plot in X-Factor. Her father was kidnapped by terrorists and they're holding him ransom. I wonder whats up with her sisters, yeah. They've been mentioned briefly in X-Factor, so PAD remembers them.

Yeah her dad has been kidnapped and she is gonna go save him. I assume we will get some insight on her sisters because one has to wonder who is watching them.

[Leirus]

What do you think happens when a group is conquered by another group? Genocide and rape. That's what happens. It still happens to this day, Sudan is a striking example. I don't think you understand the word 'indigenous' either. I mean, the first people. The original people. The people who have been there from tens of thousands of years.

http://www.elvincountry.com/travel-images/13109561.jpg

I do mean the first people. So are you telling me you honestly believe there was an original black people living in North Africa who was killed by White people? And conquer and genocide does not always happen. What is today Spain has been conquered multiple times, and each new population did not kill the people living there before. In fact, at least twice, when the visigoths and the arabs came, the conquest was relatively peaceful (meaning that if the poeple accepted to pay taxes, they would be left undisturbed). Some battles, of course, but no wipe out of the initial population.

Yeah her dad has been kidnapped and she is gonna go save him. I assume we will get some insight on her sisters because one has to wonder who is watching them.

Considering how Artie and Leech ended up in Neverland, it does not seem the father is the best watcher ever.

[Havok83]

more early Monet

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/6866/genxxmas.jpg

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/1692/genx32m.jpg

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4184/genx51m.jpg

[Leirus]

The fun thing about this discussion is that when she first appeared Monet was
red

[Faded]

Monet is black because she was colored so from her inception and onwards for a long time.

[Leirus]

Monet is black because she was colored so from her inception and onwards for a long time.

Still red.

[Faded]

The fun thing about this discussion is that when she first appeared Monet was
red

LOL true.

But we don't like to talk about that.

[UNICEF]

You must be truly blissfull Faded

[Leirus]

LOL true.

But we don't like to talk about that.

I know. The mere mention of M-plate makes my soul shudder.

[psycwave]

Considering how Artie and Leech ended up in Neverland, it does not seem the father is the best watcher ever.

Maybe the father really died a long time ago and the twins merged and took his place so people wouldn't notice.

[Leirus]

Maybe the father really died a long time ago and the twins merged and took his place so people wouldn't notice.

Lol... That would be kind of awesome in a silly way.

They really have a low self steem. That whole "We will merge to make a fake Monet so daddy does not miss her" was nonsense. So, to make him not miss Monet they took away his last alive daughters?

[Faded]

You must be truly blissfull Faded

I really am, thanks!

[Yogaflame]

I do mean the first people. So are you telling me you honestly believe there was an original black people living in North Africa who was killed by White people? And conquer and genocide does not always happen. What is today Spain has been conquered multiple times, and each new population did not kill the people living there before. In fact, at least twice, when the visigoths and the arabs came, the conquest was relatively peaceful (meaning that if the poeple accepted to pay taxes, they would be left undisturbed). Some battles, of course, but no wipe out of the initial population.


Black peoples populated not only north Africa and Arabia, but Europe and Asia as well. You will notice the distinctive 'pepper corn' hair style in sculptures going back 30,000 years littered across the continents, a hair type displayed only by black people. The oral histories and mythologies of Europe, Arabia and Asia all contain memories of the original black peoples, coupled with physical evidence, which invalidates the Eurocentric, whitewashed history most people are familiar with.

And yes, the black Moors who brought civilization to Dark Ages Europe were merciful, bringing science and art where madness reigned. Obviously you have never learned of Sundiata and other African empires which ran the Sahara during the medieval period.

http://blackhistoryjohnmoore.bravehost.com/chest.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Xd9N67xNs&feature=related

[Leirus]

Black peoples populated not only north Africa and Arabia, but Europe and Asia as well. You will notice the distinctive 'pepper corn' hair style in sculptures going back 30,000 years littered across the continents, a hair type displayed only by black people. The oral histories and mythologies of Europe, Arabia and Asia all contain memories of the original black peoples, coupled with physical evidence, which invalidates the Eurocentric, whitewashed history most people are familiar with.

And yes, the black Moors who brought civilization to Dark Ages Europe were merciful, bringing science and art where madness reigned. Obviously you have never learned of Sundiata and other African empires which ran the Sahara during the medieval period.

http://blackhistoryjohnmoore.bravehost.com/chest.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Xd9N67xNs&feature=related

Sorry, but that is nonsense. The original people came from africa, and they were probably black (Or whatever colour a monkey is when it losts its hair, I have never tried to shave one) but they adapted to the different environments they found, evolving and changing. So people who went to the north lost melanina. That is why you have a range of colours from the really dark people from africa to the ultra white norses. They were not killed by whites, they became berebers, arabs...etc...

And the Moors were not black. Because if they would have been, Spaniards today would be also black, or at least darker, because there is a lot of moor blood in most of us. Phoenicians were also not black, despite anything you can read in Black Athena.

And yes, I know about Sundiata, Mali and also about Great Zimbabwue, but I do not see what has that to do with the race of people living in the North of Africa.

[Yogaflame]

By your logic, the Eskimos should be the whitest people on Earth. Too bad it doesn't work that way. People don't just magically transform their facial features, hair, skin and bone structure. It happens through ethnic cleansing/genocide, or at the very least, conscious mixing of diverse ethnic groups.

Spaniards(and Italians, and southern French for that matter) are darker because of admixture with the Moors/various North Africans over the years(and yes the Moors, Phoenicians and Kemets were all dark skinned Africans). Of course, 1491 was a long time ago, and social stigma/prejudice can do a lot to encourage the light skinned people to associate only with other light skinned people.

[Leirus]

By your logic, the Eskimos should be the whitest people on Earth. Too bad it doesn't work that way. People don't just magically transform their facial features, hair, skin and bone structure. It happens through ethnic cleansing/genocide, or at the very least, conscious mixing of diverse ethnic groups.

Spaniards(and Italians, and southern French for that matter) are darker because of admixture with the Moors/various North Africans over the years(and yes the Moors, Phoenicians and Kemets were all dark skinned Africans). Of course, 1491 was a long time ago, and social stigma/prejudice can do a lot to encourage the light skinned people to associate only with other light skinned people.

They had a different environment and adapted to it. It is obviously not as easy as "North=White" but it is an easy example. So, tell me, in your view, if all the population of the world comes from East Africa, as we know, and they all were black, but you do not accept the possibility of them changing into white people, arabs, etc over the the nearly two hundred thousand years that took us to colonize the whole world... where does the white people come from? We just sort of appeared? And it is called adaptation, no magic.

Genetic studies have shown clearly that the European population today is largerly descendent from those people who arrived in the Paleolithic. And moors were not black back in 1942 because they are not black now. They live just in front of us, in Morocco. Do not give me lessons about the history of my own country.

It is good to read books with different points of view.

[Sylarmax]

Monet is not black ( question of colorist ), Monett represents the typical algerian woman., but not face black ethnic, and less hair.

It seems strange... she changes from dark or clear, as very often... (question of colorist in action ) this does not happen with other characters

Monet not is black that is a fact.

Typical algerian woman


http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/7163/80559042.png


http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/9339/79900431.png

[Leirus]

I was happier talking about the twins...

[psycwave]

I was happier talking about the twins...

So was I.

Do you think their insecurities stem from Monet berating them throughout the years?

[Leirus]

So was I.

Do you think their insecurities stem from Monet berating them throughout the years?

I do not know, Monet has been shown to be nice with them, both inside and outside of the penance body. She has a surprise soft spot for children, I think.

I believe probably was fault of their father, who spent all his time with Monet. But at the end, I guess they remained merged because they enjoyed being Monet (As does she). Uncannyxmen has a spotlight on them (which weird enough, states that they are from Morocco):

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=63

[psycwave]

I wonder why their father cared so much more for Moneth than them. I'm surprised they didn't merge to become a stripper to get his attention.

[Leirus]

I wonder why their father ared so much more for Moneth than them. I'm surprised they didn't merge to become a stripper to get his attention.

Do you think they could merge to be anything they wanted? Or just to become Monet (Which does not make much sense)

An autistic stripper would be somewhat boring...

[UNICEF]

By your logic, the Eskimos should be the whitest people on Earth. Too bad it doesn't work that way. People don't just magically transform their facial features, hair, skin and bone structure. It happens through ethnic cleansing/genocide, or at the very least, conscious mixing of diverse ethnic groups.

Spaniards(and Italians, and southern French for that matter) are darker because of admixture with the Moors/various North Africans over the years(and yes the Moors, Phoenicians and Kemets were all dark skinned Africans). Of course, 1491 was a long time ago, and social stigma/prejudice can do a lot to encourage the light skinned people to associate only with other light skinned people.

Your argument would also make Gateway black. He was Aboriginal. Which is not Black.

http://tentative.net/mfiles/relations/gateway.jpg

[psycwave]

Do you think they could merge to be anything they wanted? Or just to become Monet (Which does not make much sense)

An autistic stripper would be somewhat boring...

They're merging powers are a complete mystery to me. Like can they merge with anyone or does it just work with people in their family? And if that's the case does that mean it's not a mutant power but something to do with their family lineage? Can they just merge to become Monet or can they become anything they want? How did they manage to gain M's powers? If they merge with anyone do they just get new powers? So confusing.

[gaian]

I was happier talking about the twins...

her breasts? :confused:

[UNICEF]

They're merging powers are a complete mystery to me. Like can they merge with anyone or does it just work with people in their family? And if that's the case does that mean it's not a mutant power but something to do with their family lineage? Can they just merge to become Monet or can they become anything they want. How did they manage to gain M's powers? If they merge with anyone do they just get new powers? So confusing.

They merged with Emplate to become M-Plate once.

[Leirus]

They merged with Emplate to become M-Plate once.

The Horror of it all...

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/593/mplate.png

The thing is, they did not become a merge of both of them with her ages summed up, they became Monet. With all her powers. Although maybe Claudette has also all her powers. The whole history is better forgotten, I think.

[Faded]

Your argument would also make Gateway black. He was Aboriginal. Which is not Black.

http://tentative.net/mfiles/relations/gateway.jpg

"Black" as in a term to define a certain skin tone, not an ethnicity.

Just like Cecilia Reyes can be "black" and also Puerto Rican.

[UNICEF]

The Horror of it all...
The thing is, they did not become a merge of both of them with her ages summed up, they became Monet. With all her powers. Although maybe Claudette has also all her powers. The whole history is better forgotten, I think.

I agree. It was a bad idea and poorly executed. It made no sense.

I always interpreted Monet's bouts of "autism" as her just studying whatever it was she was doing and being lost in thought (pealing the bottle (apple?)/ the big machine)

No it isn't Faded and again you're missing the point. Those of us fighting for this are trying to get you people to understand that not all people who live on the continent of Africa are the same skin color.

It's be like calling Risque black.

[Leirus]

I agree. It was a bad idea and poorly executed. It made no sense.

I always interpreted Monet's bouts of "autism" as her just studying whatever it was she was doing and being lost in thought (pealing the bottle (apple?)/ the big machine)

I think Lobdell always saw her as the two twins merged (Nicole appears already in the Age of Apocalypse as Know-it-all, and Claudette spoke to Emma during Onslaught). But the existence of another Monet an the whole "Monet Ivette Therese Saint Croix, with Yugoslavian Nationality" to cover for Penance backstory... that was horrid.

It remembers me a bit to the Xorneto debacle.


"Black" as in a term to define a certain skin tone, not an ethnicity.

Just like Cecilia Reyes can be "black" and also Puerto Rican.

It is a complicated term, as Americans tend to use it two divide the world in two groups, black people and white people. To me is certainly baffling and arbitrary, as, for example, I see peoples as moors in general being labeled as "black", when a lot of Moroccans (for example) could be taken easily for spaniards (and the other way around).

Even more, in the same discussion the term jumps back and forth from meaning "Dark Skinned" to "With sub-saharian ancestry" which are not the same thing.

[UNICEF]

I think Lobdell always saw her as the two twins merged (Nicole appears already in the Age of Apocalypse as Know-it-all, and Claudette spoke to Emma during Onslaught). But the existence of another Monet an the whole "Monet Ivette Therese Saint Croix, with Yugoslavian Nationality" to cover for Penance backstory... that was horrid.

It remembers me a bit to the Xorneto debacle.

But to me that was dumb to have Monet ALWAYS be the twins. Here was a female mutant that is a genius, super strong, beautiful and basically had everything to then just say "no she doesn't actually exist." I liked the idea of Monet being "perfect" and having her be the twins was such a cop out.

Penance was more interesting as a girl who's skin turned hard because of the trauma's of war ( a lot like Emma's secondary mutation)

I especially liked how she remained calm and cool during the Phalanx Covenant then ripped off a part of her outfit to make a weapon.

[Sylarmax]

"Black" as in a term to define a certain skin tone, not an ethnicity.

Just like Cecilia Reyes can be "black" and also Puerto Rican.

:eek:

Ignorance ...

The Hindu some are obscure, and are considerate of white ethnicity.

Chinese then they are considered? white, please think a little more. Monet is not black.

Algerian typical, sorry.

[Leirus]

But to me that was dumb to have Monet ALWAYS be the twins. Here was a female mutant that is a genius, super strong, beautiful and basically had everything to then just say "no she doesn't actually exist." I liked the idea of Monet being "perfect" and having her be the twins was such a cop out.

Penance was more interesting as a girl who's skin turned hard because of the trauma's of war ( a lot like Emma's secondary mutation)

I especially liked how she remained calm and cool during the Phalanx Covenant then ripped off a part of her outfit to make a weapon.

I agree on both accounts. One single revelation that ruined two perfectly good characters. Monet got better, Penance was not so lucky.

[UNICEF]

:eek:

Ignorance ...

The Hindu some are obscure, and are considerate of white ethnicity.

Chinese then they are considered? white, please think a little more. Monet is not black.

Algerian typical, sorry.

That reminds me.

Neal Sharaa (Thunderbird) was given the same coloring. He was from India and still not black

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/29/ThunderIII.png/200px-ThunderIII.png

Same with Karima (Omega Sentinel)
http://hyperion2000.free.fr/Bios/Omega%20Sentinelle1.jpg

[Faded]

It is a complicated term, as Americans tend to use it two divide the world in two groups, black people and white people. To me is certainly baffling and arbitrary, as, for example, I see peoples as moors in general being labeled as "black", when a lot of Moroccans (for example) could be taken easily for spaniards (and the other way around).

Even more, in the same discussion the term jumps back and forth from meaning "Dark Skinned" to "With sub-saharian ancestry" which are not the same thing.

Right, I do agree which is why I put quotations.

I don't think its a great term to use, but while people are drawing lines between nationality and skin color, Monet can certainly be "black" or dark-skinned regardless of where her parents had citizenship.

No it isn't Faded and again you're missing the point. Those of us fighting for this are trying to get you people to understand that not all people who live on the continent of Africa are the same skin color.

It's be like calling Risque black.

I never said that.

I'm not associating skin color with any ethnicity, only saying "M" has been colored as having dark skin since the Phalanx Covenant.

And she's prettier that way. So there.

(Actually, I haven't been reading this entire conversation and only replied to your quote as a standalone type of thing--which it wasn't. So I apologize FOR THAT, I GUESS OKAY.)

[kk1]

By your logic, the Eskimos should be the whitest people on Earth. Too bad it doesn't work that way. People don't just magically transform their facial features, hair, skin and bone structure. It happens through ethnic cleansing/genocide, or at the very least, conscious mixing of diverse ethnic groups.

Spaniards(and Italians, and southern French for that matter) are darker because of admixture with the Moors/various North Africans over the years(and yes the Moors, Phoenicians and Kemets were all dark skinned Africans). Of course, 1491 was a long time ago, and social stigma/prejudice can do a lot to encourage the light skinned people to associate only with other light skinned people.

You are an ignorant moron. Even sub-Saharan Africans weren't all originally dark skinned, most lighter-skinned ones (look up Khoisan) were displaced by Bantu peoples originally from Nigeria over thousands of years and not through ethnic cleansing/genocide they just developed iron tools, cattle herding, and farming techniques which could support bigger families than hunting-gathering, which lead to more descendants and an increasingly higher population percentage. The same thing happened in Europe, most male Europeans' Y chromosome comes from Middle Eastern farmers because farming allowed them to support bigger families and leave more descendants or was there a genocide in Europe by middle-easterners I don't know about?

[franckd]

You are an ignorant moron. Even sub-Saharan Africans weren't all originally dark skinned, most lighter-skinned ones (look up Khoisan) were displaced by Bantu peoples originally from Nigeria over thousands of years and not through ethnic cleansing/genocide they just developed iron tools, cattle herding, and farming techniques which could support bigger families than hunting-gathering, which lead to more descendants and an increasingly higher population percentage. The same thing happened in Europe, most male Europeans' Y chromosome comes from Middle Eastern farmers because farming allowed them to support bigger families and leave more descendants or was there a genocide in Europe by middle-easterners I don't know about?

I don't like the way you talk, but I completely agree with you.
Especially on the ignorant moron part. Yogoflame is so wrong, but well, I think you and I won't change his mind.

[Sylarmax]

That reminds me.

Neal Sharaa (Thunderbird) was given the same coloring. He was from India and still not black

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/29/ThunderIII.png/200px-ThunderIII.png

Same with Karima (Omega Sentinel)
http://hyperion2000.free.fr/Bios/Omega%20Sentinelle1.jpg

According. and Monet is not black, is algerian face and hair ( not African ), addition Monet passes changes constantly color according to the colorist.

[Sylarmax]

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/9339/79900431.png

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/6754/55184677.png

whatever, she's beautiful I'm not racist but M not is ethnic black,that's all.

[DaveTVS]

The one Algerian man I know is around the same color Monet usually has; a bit lighter.

[That JonoGuy]

Found this (http://crimsonsea.deviantart.com/art/M-153961397) excellent drawing of Monet from DeviantArt. They also did one (http://crimsonsea.deviantart.com/art/Girls-with-X-Factor-87987635) of Monet & Siryn from a while back.

[Faded]

CrimsonSea also did this one (http://www.comicvine.com/m/29-40460/all-images/108-216867/monet_by_crimsonsea/105-1093386/).

Love the love!

[drownedbyimmolation]

Wow, those are both awesome!

[Leogam]

Is Monet using her fist name as a codename now, and not just M anymore

[Illmatik]

Is Monet using her fist name as a codename now, and not just M anymore

She still officially has the M codename, but I really can't remember the last time someone called her by M in X-Factor, if ever.

[shavoxin]

She still officially has the M codename, but I really can't remember the last time someone called her by M in X-Factor, if ever.

In the very first issue of Volume 3. That was the only time, though.

[HellFrost]

I call her M (not very often) as more of a nickname. I prefer her as Monet.

[SayOcean]

well the M thing only kinda made sense when she was the twins

[ZNOP]

Monet St. Croix is to check "White" on the US Census form because there is no box marked Berber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_people) (E.g., Moroccan/Algerian).

[Free-Man]

Monet St. Croix is to check "White" on the US Census form because there is no box marked Berber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_people) (E.g., Moroccan/Algerian).

Who knows? Her dad looked black in the latest issue of X-Factor, so she might check "Negro".:tongue:

[ZNOP]

Who knows? Her dad looked black in the latest issue of X-Factor, so she might check "Negro".:tongue:

She might... But, who doesn't want to "pass" in America nowadays? She can't do that if she checks "Negro" :evilsmile:

[Leirus]

Monet is not one to bother about "passing". She would probably check whatever she wanted. I could check White or Hispanic...

[ZNOP]

Monet is not one to bother about "passing". She would probably check whatever she wanted. I could check White or Hispanic...

Ah, but when the opportunity presents itself which do you actually check?

[Free-Man]

Monet is not one to bother about "passing". She would probably check whatever she wanted. I could check White or Hispanic...

Yeah, she's too fierce. In fact, would she even fill out the census? I had thought she wasn't an American citizen and was here on one of those student/work permits.

[ZNOP]

Yeah, she's too fierce. In fact, would she even fill out the census? I had thought she wasn't an American citizen and was here on one of those student/work permits.

Everyone in the United States is counted -- and that includes people of all ages, races, ethnic groups, as well as noncitizens.

[Free-Man]

Everyone in the United States is counted and includes people of all ages, races, ethnic groups, citizens as well as noncitizens.

Well, I'm sure she just threw hers away. She could just brainwash whoever the government sent to collect the info anyways. That's 10 minutes she could be spending rockin out in the nude.

[SayOcean]

She might... But, who doesn't want to "pass" in America nowadays? She can't do that if she checks "Negro" :evilsmile:I doubt someone such as M would care about passing ......she doesnt care if anyone knows shes a mutant why would she care if they KNOW she isnt white.....

EDIT I think we threw out ours........its not even gonna be on the final

[ZNOP]

I doubt someone such as M would care about passing ......she doesnt care if anyone knows shes a mutant why would she care if they KNOW she isnt white.....

Good point. I wonder if Kitty cares.

[Free-Man]

So, how is everyone liking the new outfit?
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/33806/1068652-141_x_factor_203_super.jpg

[Wind-Breaker]

I've always thought M was bi-racial (father black and mother Algerian) based on the appearances of her parent in the issues of Uncanny and Gen X.

[ZNOP]

I've always thought M was bi-racial (father black and mother Algerian) based on the appearances of her parent in the issues of Uncanny and Gen X.


Well her father was deemed (recorded as) Moroccan. So, if someone is of Japanese/Chinese, ("biracial") and can still be called Asian. That makes Monet... What?!?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/maps/images/maps/algeria_map.gif

[Free-Man]

Well her father was deemed (recorded as) Moroccan. So, if someone is of Japanese/Chinese, ("biracial") and can still be called Asian. That makes Monet... What?!?

What are you talking about? Since when are Japane and Chinese a different race? Race tends to be a broad umbrella term like black, asian, hispanic, caucasian, ECT.

No one is gonna call someone who is half irish and half french "biracial".

M on the other hand seems biracial. Her dad is black but her mother might be Algerian or possibly caucasian.

[Slung]

What are you talking about? Since when are Japane and Chinese a different race? Race tends to be a broad umbrella term like black, asian, hispanic, caucasian, ECT.

No one is gonna call someone who is half irish and half french "biracial".

M on the other hand seems biracial. Her dad is black but her mother might be Algerian or possibly caucasian.

I find it fascinating that Monet's thread is pretty much page upon page discussing her race.

Oh, and can someone explain how Monet's father became black?

[SayOcean]

M on the other hand seems biracial. Her dad is black but her mother might be Algerian or possibly caucasian.what makes you think M is biracial????




Oh, and can someone explain how Monet's father became black? he is supposed to be black the whole time!!!!!! surprise

[Free-Man]

I find it fascinating that Monet's thread is pretty much page upon page discussing her race.

Oh, and can someone explain how Monet's father became black?

He's looked black since Gen X. He was white in his first appearance and a few early issues of Gen X, but he's been mostly black since then.

[Free-Man]

what makes you think M is biracial????

I didn't think her mother was black. She seems to have naturally straight hair.

[SayOcean]

I didn't think her mother was black. She seems to have naturally straight hair.that doesn't mean she has to have a white mother, she is a mutant......

[psycwave]

I find it fascinating that Monet's thread is pretty much page upon page discussing her race.


I find it fascinating as well. Especially as how no matter how many times it attempts to go in a different direction it always goes back to her race.

[Free-Man]

that doesn't mean she has to have a white mother, she is a mutant......

Maybe. Does anyone have a pic of her mother? There was a shot of her in a recent issue of X-Men Legacy, but it was small and not very detailed.

[ZNOP]

I find it fascinating as well. Especially as how no matter how many times it attempts to go in a different direction it always goes back to her race.

Well, I brought it up again because of the current events in the news... People who consider themselves "Arab(s)" are to check the box marked "White" with prevision on the US census. I thought it was an interesting development and might lend itself to this thread -- reboot wise.

What are you talking about? Since when are Japane and Chinese a different race? Race tends to be a broad umbrella term like black, asian, hispanic, caucasian, ECT.

Well, under that hypothesis -- since when are Moroccans and Algerians of a different race? I'm not arguring that premise so to speak... I know better. Is she "African" is what I getting at.

No one is gonna call someone who is half irish and half french "biracial".

You'd be suprised at what some of our fellow poster believe.

"M on the other hand seems biracial. Her dad is black but her mother might be Algerian or possibly caucasian.

And, therein lies the debate. Even, if Monet's mother is of the Algerian "Caucasian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race)" persuation -- is Monet herself African or not?

[Wind-Breaker]

Maybe. Does anyone have a pic of her mother? There was a shot of her in a recent issue of X-Men Legacy, but it was small and not very detailed.

I just re-read Uncanny X-Men #316, that actually wasn't M's mother but her governess. With that, I don't think we've seen M's mother on panel.

[Free-Man]

I just re-read Uncanny X-Men #316, that actually wasn't M's mother but her governess. With that, I don't think we've seen M's mother on panel.

Well, I was referring to this scene in X-Men Legacy that came out a month or two back. Bling is trapped in Emplate (Monet's older brother)'s house, and at one point she looks at a family portrait. Her mom is in it, but because of the way it's drawn you can't really make out any telling facial features.

And on that, I'm hoping down the line we get Legacy/X-Factor crossover. Emplate's little hench made a remark about "missing Gen X", and I just feel like any Emplate story isn't complete without his little sis.

[SayOcean]

That Legacy portrait was bunk....as everyone in it looked white......and we all now Marcus is NOt white neither are the twins.......

[ZNOP]

I just re-read Uncanny X-Men #316, that actually wasn't M's mother but her governess. With that, I don't think we've seen M's mother on panel.

That was a good read... What did the governess call her gun? Was it "Pickerin'"? :cool:

[ZNOP]

That Legacy portrait was bunk....as everyone in it looked white......and we all now Marcus is NOt white neither are the twins.......

http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab194/znop/Msfam_Photo.jpg?t=1269932937
(Enlarged and sharpened)

http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab194/znop/Claudette_and_Nicole.jpg?t=1269920352

http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab194/znop/MonetandtheTwins.jpg?t=1269920056

[Quinnhop]

I love the idea of her getting together with Guido.

LOL

[ZNOP]

I love the idea of her getting together with Guido.

LOL

Why not? That relationship would be better than most of the fan pairings I, read here about. Um... Oh, wait... How old is Guido again?

[Wind-Breaker]

Why not? That relationship would be better than most of the fan pairings I, read here about. Um... Oh, wait... How old is Guido again?

Oh enough to be her dad.

[Faded]

The new outfit is nice, but stands out less than her fabulous Sook design. That outfit wasn't used enough to outstay its welcome.