Martian Manhunter #1 *SPOILERS*

[TheCrisisKid]

I just picked this up, and I thought this was a GREAT issue and a great start to a new series. Martian Manhunter has always seemed dull and 2d to me. This series really showed me what goes on in his head and how human he really is. A good plot twist in the first issue, and I am very interested in the character. I also think he looks awesome in his new costume.

[drwho]

Does it say why he decided to change his look?

[TheCrisisKid]

It does say in the comic that his current look is his normal look, but I don't think it says when he decided to change back to his normal look. I think he changed back in another comic though, maybe it was Infinite Crisis (the last issue) or maybe JLA #0, I don't know.

[Justin D.]

He went from a very revealing costume to a barely revealing one.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9d/Martian_Manhunter.jpg

[Dustin]

The new look is cool.

[Mothmonsterman]

The new look is cool.

His Skrull/uncircumcised member head looks ridiculous, though.

If you thought J'onn was 2d and that this issue added depth, you should toss this one and pick up some back issues of his Ostrander-penned solo series.

[glue]

I thought I'd like his new look based on the preview in BNW, but I think it makes him look like a villain and even a little bit like royalty. Blah.

[shadow of a madman]

Yeeeaaah...something about that new costume's sorta off.The high collar looks horrid.
Aside from that...I dunno,just seems....off.
Can't really explain it.
Maybye it's all the seams.Not used to that in DC.

[Kara Zor El]

It does say in the comic that his current look is his normal look, but I don't think it says when he decided to change back to his normal look. I think he changed back in another comic though, maybe it was Infinite Crisis (the last issue) or maybe JLA #0, I don't know.
He didn't have the new costume in Infinite Crisis.

[Jack]

The costume change happened in the Brave New World preview for this series.

[geordiesteve]

I'm terrified by what I've read about the new mini series. I read Brave New World and felt my hair beginning to stand on end. I'll have to get the first couple of this mini series to see if my worst fears are true.

I know what you mean about the costume, there is something......weird. Maybe it is the collar.

[PastePotPete]

I'm terrified by what I've read about the new mini series. I read Brave New World and felt my hair beginning to stand on end. I'll have to get the first couple of this mini series to see if my worst fears are true.

I know what you mean about the costume, there is something......weird. Maybe it is the collar.

I think the problem with the costume is that it has the stench of "We have to fix this character!!" coming off of it.

I'm not against a costume change. I'm really not. But when you do a change, if you're not careful and you try to make the character look too bad-ass, it tends to come off a little desperate.

Might've been cooler to go the other way. Martians we've seen in flashbacks actually wore LESS clothes than Martian Manhunter has as a hero on earth. Maybe they should have stripped away everything but a little martian loincloth? If J'Onn is getting back to his roots, that'd make sense.

[drwho]

He went from a very revealing costume to a barely revealing one.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9d/Martian_Manhunter.jpg


I never knew Jon was an X-Man:D

[Paragon]

I never knew Jon was an X-Man:D

Of course he is. He's been masquerading as Professor X for years, secretly spying on the MVU ....

[caats19]

a lot of times those smilies faces make me wanna punch someone. i like the new suit, i like new angle. new suit > gay pirate suit

[Forefinger]

He went from a very revealing costume to a barely revealing one.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9d/Martian_Manhunter.jpg
I don't like it.

[Jack]

I never knew Jon was an X-Man:D
Well, he's a Skrull now, so he's obviously a member of Cadre K.

[glue]

I think the problem with the costume is that it has the stench of "We have to fix this character!!" coming off of it.

I'm not against a costume change. I'm really not. But when you do a change, if you're not careful and you try to make the character look too bad-ass, it tends to come off a little desperate.

Might've been cooler to go the other way. Martians we've seen in flashbacks actually wore LESS clothes than Martian Manhunter has as a hero on earth. Maybe they should have stripped away everything but a little martian loincloth? If J'Onn is getting back to his roots, that'd make sense.

I don't think they'd ever have gone for less clothes for J'Onn since he's not a female. But it definately reeks of them feeling they had to fix him without knowing how. The more I look at it, the more I'm suprised they didn't give him a mask just to really "set off" the awfulness.

[marshal99]

Well , Martian Manhunter is now looking like a fascist skrull. The real martian manhunter is apparently hiding in marvel under the guise of Drax. ;)

[Kara Zor El]

The costume change happened in the Brave New World preview for this series.
But without any explanation.

[BeastieRunner]

I thought this was craptastically awful. I'm dropping it. I was looking forward to this and had high hopes, and well both were let downs. I do like the new costume.

[The Batman]

i like the look, though i never really thought that the Manhunter's previous look was so terrible mind you, but the book left me cold for some reason.

[glue]

i never really thought that the Manhunter's previous look was so terrible mind you.

I like the old look (the visual plays a huge role in if I like a character), but I can definately see how some people would hate it. I mean he's wearing underwear, boots and a cape.

[Shellhead]

I prefer the classic look. I'm guessing that those who prefer the new look are vaguely embarassed to be reading comic books because they started at a later age. Rather than fully embracing the weirdness of comics, they keep trying to make things more drab and "realistic."

[lonewolf23k]

I don't think they'd ever have gone for less clothes for J'Onn since he's not a female. But it definately reeks of them feeling they had to fix him without knowing how. The more I look at it, the more I'm suprised they didn't give him a mask just to really "set off" the awfulness.


Considering all of it is just his skin to begin with, it doesn't really matter how much clothing he wears anyway.

As for redesigns, I much prefer the JLU version of J'onn.

[The Shadow]

Put me down for the new look... though the high collar has got to go.


SPOILERS BELOW...























Since when does J'onn kill? That was... surprising.

[K'Nort]

Well I was expecting it to suck and sure enough.

Someone needs to pull Ostrander off Star Wars and put him back where he belongs.

The Skrull chin thing.... what the hell where they thinking? There is no way for anyone to think anything else.

And yeah, the whole point of the mini seems to be learning to hate and kill for the first time. But it's silly to keep saying "like only humans do." White Martians, after all.

[Mothmonsterman]

Considering all of it is just his skin to begin with, it doesn't really matter how much clothing he wears anyway.

As for redesigns, I much prefer the JLU version of J'onn.

According to his solo series, his clothes are actually a symbioted Martian creature.

[glue]

Considering all of it is just his skin to begin with, it doesn't really matter how much clothing he wears anyway.



Sure it does.

[Loren]

I prefer the classic look. I'm guessing that those who prefer the new look are vaguely embarassed to be reading comic books because they started at a later age. Rather than fully embracing the weirdness of comics, they keep trying to make things more drab and "realistic."

I more or less agree, but it's the animated version of his classic look that I like the most.

And one little reason for that is that the animated J'onn doesn't have any ears. That change (along with general facial structure) makes him look just a little more alien, and it streamlines the look of his head a lot. With ears, J'onn has a tendency to look just like a bald guy painted green.

To wit:

http://www.superhero-zone.com/assets/images/justiceleague/JLA-MartianMH-MB.jpg

vs.

http://jl.toonzone.net/martian/001.jpg

[BeastieRunner]

Rather than fully embracing the weirdness of comics, they keep trying to make things more drab and "realistic."

Or maybe some people like change.

[Deus ex Chris]

I prefer the classic look. I'm guessing that those who prefer the new look are vaguely embarassed to be reading comic books because they started at a later age. Rather than fully embracing the weirdness of comics, they keep trying to make things more drab and "realistic."
I started at a young age, and I've always hated J'onn's costume. Any more guesses?

[david r]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9d/Martian_Manhunter.jpg

Why is he dressed like Storm?

Is he trying to tell us something? :eek:

[Johnny Nucleo]

http://www.sustainabletable.org/_img/features_etc/asparagus/asparagus.gif

I think he looks like a piece of aparagus with a cape. But thats just me.

[david r]

Remember to eat your asparagus, kids.

Martian Manhunter says it's good for you, so it's good for you. :)

[Shellhead]

I started at a young age, and I've always hated J'onn's costume. Any more guesses?

Fine. Tell me what *human* fashion is most appropriate for a Martian.

[BeastieRunner]

Since when does J'onn kill? That was... surprising.
Yeah I thought the same thing as well, reason #101 why I'm dropping it; this writer does not get J'onn.

[Ian J.N.]

It's a good costume.. just not on him. MM has green skin and can shape-shift his body into many exotic forms. I can understand the need for a new look, but why cover him from ear-to-toe in a rigid-looking uniform that might be worn by any earthborn superhero? Visually, it doesn't speak to his character.

[trickster]

Guess the old timers don't like the book (big surprise there). I actually found it great.

[Deus ex Chris]

Fine. Tell me what *human* fashion is most appropriate for a Martian.
What's most appropriate? I don't know. That's not the point. The point is you made an assumption or "guess" that, essentially, dismissed another viewpoint because you felt it stemmed from "embarrassment," and you really have no evidence to support it.

For the record, I will say that I think the new outfit is lighyears beyond the old, and I don't see anythng "drab" or "realistic" about it, except that the material actually seems to have texture. J'onn looks powerful, alien, and remote, and I really quite like it.

[Shellhead]

What's most appropriate? I don't know. That's not the point. The point is you made an assumption or "guess" that, essentially, dismissed another viewpoint because you felt it stemmed from "embarrassment," and you really have no evidence to support it.

For the record, I will say that I think the new outfit is lighyears beyond the old, and I don't see anythng "drab" or "realistic" about it, except that the material actually seems to have texture. J'onn looks powerful, alien, and remote, and I really quite like it.

And it's going to look lame the first time he does some serious stretching and shapeshifting. His old costume was more practical for his power set. And, bottom line, he's a green-skinned alien who can shapeshift... if he wants to be inconspicuous, he can turn invisible or make himself look human. But as long as he is in a form with green skin, wearing more normal clothing isn't fooling anybody.

[marshal99]

Sadly they gave the job assignment to the wrong writer. AJ Liebermann is a weak writer , just look at his poor gotham knights run. If the purpose of the mini is to lead to an ongoing , then i doubt that MM will have an ongoing again. Doesn't seemed to understand the character at all.

His research of the character probably just involves going to the wiki website and look at the martian manhunter entry. ;)

[caats19]

to me it seems like j'onn is on the brink, and by the end of this he'll be back to his old self through some superhero intervention. haha. i never understood his old suit in that he was a green cone headed shape shifter whose shape he chose to project was a green alien? i thought that was odd. but i never had a problem with his old suit. but i like the new one

[Deus ex Chris]

And it's going to look lame the first time he does some serious stretching and shapeshifting. His old costume was more practical for his power set. And, bottom line, he's a green-skinned alien who can shapeshift... if he wants to be inconspicuous, he can turn invisible or make himself look human. But as long as he is in a form with green skin, wearing more normal clothing isn't fooling anybody.
His old costume wasn't practical at all. In fact, if we're talking practicality for a shape-shifter, then he shouldn't be wearing anything. Of course, if he actually is naked, and the costume is just a manifestation of his powers, then your point is moot. Isn't it? Also, weren't you just dismissing those people who prefer a more "realistic" look, and preaching about embracing the weirdness of comics? Since when does practicality play into that? Ah, I get it: you thought you could use it to prove a point, despite having just criticized the viewpoint that practicality actually falls in line with...

[Ronnigon]

I love the new look and costume...

I've always felt that the Martian Manhunter character should be more like something out of Robert Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land.

[kalorama]

He didn't have the new costume in Infinite Crisis.

Yes he did. He's shown wearing it in the double-page spread of asll the heroes at the end of the last issue.

[kalorama]

I'm glad they got rid of the old look. It was really kind of tired and dated. The new costume's not great/not terrible. My two biggest problems are (A) the color; that shade of blue doesn't really go with his shade of green and (B) the "X" across his chest. It sort of made sense when it was a harness that held his cape on. Absent that it appears as some kind of symbol that doesn't actually symbolize anything.

[chriskenny]

I think they changed the costume because they want to dissociate the Manhunter from the JLA. If it was the same old, same old, then people would say "There is the mascot from the Justice League." Now that he has been altered the way he has, I think people are willing to look at him on his own, and separate from his incarnation that was usually exclusively attached to the League.

The issue was very good, especially the art, but this idea that he was "infected" by humans, which made him HATE was kind of simplistic and stupid. Martians don't have the capacity to hate? Sounds stupid, and it makes MM sound like a naive, condescending bigot.

[kalorama]

The issue was very good, especially the art, but this idea that he was "infected" by humans, which made him HATE was kind of simplistic and stupid. Martians don't have the capacity to hate? Sounds stupid, and it makes MM sound like a naive, condescending bigot.

I don't think so at all. He's an alien. It's not surprising that he'd have a completely different set of emotional responses/parameters than a human. Also, hate is generally an outgrowth of some combination of fear and ignorance towards the object of hate. Coming from a race of telepaths, those things weren't likely much of an issue among Martians and their interactions with one another. It only takes a cursory examination of human history to see that our capacity to hate each other for fairly trivial reasons is pretty extensive.

[Agentum]

Why not try good writing instead of changing the look so much?

MM remains a hard character to write in his own books so far only Ostrander have succeded to make him intresting.

I like the animated version too.

[chriskenny]

I prefer the classic look. I'm guessing that those who prefer the new look are vaguely embarassed to be reading comic books because they started at a later age. Rather than fully embracing the weirdness of comics, they keep trying to make things more drab and "realistic."

And what exactly is so realistic about this new incarnation? He has a different but equally strange costume. There is absolutely nothing realistic about it. As for it being drab, if you look at his costume it is essentially the same design with more clothing. The yellow medallions holding his cape is there, the red cross is there. He isn't bare-chested and his head is elongated. Yep, that change in look is like giving Superman jeans and a T-shirt. :rolleyes:

[chriskenny]

I don't think so at all. He's an alien. It's not surprising that he'd have a completely different set of emotional responses/parameters than a human. Also, hate is generally an outgrowth of some combination of fear and ignorance towards the object of hate. Coming from a race of telepaths, those things weren't likely much of an issue among Martians and their interactions with one another. It only takes a cursory examination of human history to see that our capacity to hate each other for fairly trivial reasons is pretty extensive.

No, it's bogus. It has been long established that he has the same spectrum of feelings as everyone else. Look at the storyline JLA: Midsummer's Dream. Look at when he fought that malovenlent Martian in his own ongoing. He has struggled with his own anger and fear for years and years.

The notion that J'onn J'onnz suddenly is exempt from "petty" emotions and suddenly only has the high-minded emotions is strange. Suddenly saying that he can be infected by exposure to humans is akin to when the Nazis used to say that you could get infected by associating with Jews too closely. That was the tone he took. "I am better than you, and to be close to you is to degrade myself." That very premise is hatred, so the notion he doesn't possess that emotion in itself is a contradiction.

I'm just not keen on my heroes talking about other races in the same tones as a bigot and acting like his race is inherently superior to ours. Just seems really off-putting to me. They better explain it.

[kalorama]

Double post. My kingdom for a delete button.

[kalorama]

No, it's bogus. It has been long established that he has the same spectrum of feelings as everyone else. Look at the storyline JLA: Midsummer's Dream. Look at when he fought that malovenlent Martian in his own ongoing. He has struggled with his own anger and fear for years and years.

No, it's not bogus. He's an alien, born and (unlike Superman) raised in an alien culture. It's long been established that, while does have emotions, he's often found the darker side of the human emotional spectrum hard to fathom. The one human emotion he's always displayed above all others is compassion. He's never been shown to hate his enemies, even when they deserved it. The White Martians mocked him (during Morrison's JLA run) because they knew that, despite all the horrific things they'd done, on Mars and Earth, J'onn would still not allow them to be destroyed in defeat, even though he knew that if they got free they'd just do the same horrible things all over again. It was the one barrier between him and humanity he would not allow himself to cross. The story in Martian Manhunter shows him crossing that barrier and sets up the rest of the story to deal with the consequences.

The notion that J'onn J'onnz suddenly is exempt from "petty" emotions and suddenly only has the high-minded emotions is strange.

Only if you haven't been paying attention. He's not "suddenly" anything. He's never been shown to engage in petty emotional behavior. Anger and fear? Sure. But those aren't petty emotions. They're basic biochemical survival responses common to pretty much every animal. The "petty" emotions he's always been shown to be separate from are things like hatred, jealousy, envy, arrogance--negative learned emotional responses that are all about social constructs and have no inherent survival value.

Suddenly saying that he can be infected by exposure to humans is akin to when the Nazis used to say that you could get infected by associating with Jews too closely. That was the tone he took. "I am better than you, and to be close to you is to degrade myself." That very premise is hatred, so the notion he doesn't possess that emotion in itself is a contradiction.

That's an over the top misreading in a multitude of ways. First of all, he's spent his entire time on Earth close to humans, cherishing their friendship, and trying to better understand them, so the idea that he finds interaction with them degrading is simply wrong. Secondly, like it or not, human beings are prone to petty, selfish behavior on a grand scale and you don't need to be from another planet to see and understand that. Coming from a planet of shapeshifting telepaths where external appearances where meaningless and hidden agendas where pretty much impossible, it shouldn't be at all surprising that he had a hard time relating to humans' tendency for dividing themselves into "us and them" based on essentially meaningless distinctions and then using those distinctions as an excuse to destroy one another. Third, the Nazi/Jew analogy is completely off the mark, by a wide mile. The reason the Nazi's hatred of the Jews was so reprehensible was that they hated them for being "different" when, in fact, they were no different at all in any way that mattered (a common occurrence among humans). They were all human beings with the same origins, the same blood, the same needs, the same desires, and the fate awaiting them at the end of life. J'onn J'onzz, on the other hand, is not a human being. He's an alien, with different origins, different blood, different desires, different needs, and quite possibly, a differnt fate awaiting him at the end of his life. So there's nothing "petty" or "bigoted" about him thinking of himself as different or apart form humans, for the simple reason that he is different and apart from humans.

I'm just not keen on my heroes talking about other races in the same tones as a bigot and acting like his race is inherently superior to ours. Just seems really off-putting to me. They better explain it.

There's a very simple explanation: First, he's not a different race. He's a different species. Second, when it comes to not succumbing to their base emotions and killing each other for no good reason and outside of any pressing demand for survival, his species is/was inherently superior to ours. Hell, on that score, most of the other species native to this planet are superior to humans.

[chriskenny]

No, it's not bogus. He's an alien, born and (unlike Superman) raised in an alien culture. It's long been established that, while does have emotions, he's often found the darker side of the human emotional spectrum hard to fathom. The one human emotion he's always displayed above all others is compassion. He's never been shown to hate his enemies, even when they deserved it. The White Martians mocked him (during Morrison's JLA run) because they knew that, despite all the horrific things they'd done, on Mars and Earth, J'onn would still not allow them to be destroyed in defeat, even though he knew that if they got free they'd just do the same horrible things all over again. It was the one barrier between him and humanity he would not allow himself to cross. The story in Martian Manhunter shows him crossing that barrier and sets up the rest of the story to deal with the consequences.

Yes, you proved he is a good guy, but showing compassion isn't the same as being incapable of hatred. Batman can show selfless compassion and have deep resevoirs of anger and contempt. But even with that dominant characteristic of altruism, he still has shown hatred. Again, in JLA: Midsummer's Nightmare, he is awakened from a dreamworld where he is with his wife and child. When he awakens from that, he is angry and has nothing but contempt and hatred for those who have done him wrong. He violently lashes out at them. Now suddenly he is an alien species who doesn't have one of the most basic emotions. When the white Martians taunt J'onn, they aren't suggesting that the pacifist ideology of the green Martians is an indication of NO capacity of hatred, they are just suggesting that they are culturally programmed to be more peaceful. Monks seeking to find enlightenment and displaying a peaceful life fundamentally believe they are capable of hatred and negative feelings. I just think saying he developed them due to his exposure to humans is simplistic, untrue, and an assertion that would be bigoted.

Only if you haven't been paying attention. He's not "suddenly" anything. He's never been shown to engage in petty emotional behavior. Anger and fear? Sure. But those aren't petty emotions. They're basic biochemical survival responses common to pretty much every animal. The "petty" emotions he's always been shown to be separate from are things like hatred, jealousy, envy, arrogance--negative learned emotional responses that are all about social constructs and have no inherent survival value.

He HAS shown emotions that tend toward the negative here and there. I am not even arguing that he, as an individual, is a bad guy or not. I am merely arguing against the conceit that as a Martian he is totally, biologically incapable of hatred. That is simply not true. He even had a villain in his ongoing series who was a green Martian. We can argue about the particulars of J'onn J'onz until the cows come home, but that basic conceit is false. You use the White Martians incident as a piece of evidence, but you might also note that they sought to get J'onn on their side and were even convinced he betrayed the League--would that ruse had been successful if green Martians were incapable of jealousy, envy, hatred? The white Martians KNOW the green Martians, and they believed that they could play to Manhunter's insecurities and grievances to tap into his hatred and get him to be a participant in their conquest. No way would they have done that if they believed that emotion was untenable within the heart of that race.

That's a completely over the top misreading in a multitude of ways. First of all, he's spent his entire time on Earth close to humans, cherishing their friendship, and trying to better understand them, so the idea that he finds interaction with them degrading is simply wrong.

I agree. Which is why I was critiquing the mischaracterization in this book. Thank you for proving my point. Why is he suddenly talking Nazi rhetoric in this book when prior to this he seemed to be at peace, at least to some extent, with humans. I wasn't criticizing the underpinnings of the character, but the direction of the book. When he talks about being "infected" by humans, that seems contrary to him as a hero. And so I agree with you on this point, you just misread my post to mean I was discuss Manhunter generally and not as written by Lieberman.

The conceit of this issue is that his exposure to humans has otherwise infected or corrupted his otherwise superior moral disposition. Here is a speech from a Nazi (Ralph Fiennes's character) in Schindler's List: "They cast a spell on you, you know, the Jews. When you work closely with them, like I do, you see this. They have this power. It's like a virus. Some of my men are infected with this virus. They should be pitied, not punished." Martian Manhunter has this same sentiment in this issue toward humans generally, and I take issue with it if he is going to be a protagonist I can root for in the coming issues.

[marshal99]

Unfortunately , not much we can do now since Lieberman has assassinate the character ensuring MM will never get that ongoing. Problem nowadays in both marvel and DC , there is as much bad writers as there is good. :(

[Popgun]

I found Lieberman's insistance on naming every single character after Premier League footballers (Ferdinand, Rooney, Giggs, Gerrard) incredibly distracting.

It's only a matter of time before we're introduced to Colonel Beckham.

[Ronnigon]

I like everything about the new costume:

Because Jonn Jonzz has such a formal, sullen and vulnerable personality, his choice of costume would logically be something that makes him feel both dignified and protected.

That's why the high collar and full-body cover works for me.

It also works for me that he has decided to be proud of his physical uniqueness, and not alter his head shape.

I like it all. It makes sense, and he has his own, suitable identity now.

[monkeysweat]

J'onn didn't kill anybody. If you read Brave New World you'll see that the gent is still very much alive.

[glue]

I thumbed through this at the store and really wanted to like it, but I couldn't stand it.

[Shellhead]

His old costume wasn't practical at all. In fact, if we're talking practicality for a shape-shifter, then he shouldn't be wearing anything. Of course, if he actually is naked, and the costume is just a manifestation of his powers, then your point is moot. Isn't it? Also, weren't you just dismissing those people who prefer a more "realistic" look, and preaching about embracing the weirdness of comics? Since when does practicality play into that? Ah, I get it: you thought you could use it to prove a point, despite having just criticized the viewpoint that practicality actually falls in line with...

False dichotomy. Weird does not necessarily mean impractical, and normal doesn't necessarily mean practical. A space suit is practical, but it looks weird. A necktie is impractical, but considered quite normal in western societies.

[Deus ex Chris]

False dichotomy. Weird does not necessarily mean impractical, and normal doesn't necessarily mean practical. A space suit is practical, but it looks weird. A necktie is impractical, but considered quite normal in western societies.
The argument wasn't weird v. normal, it was weird v. realistic. Practical falls under the realistic category. I use military and law enforcement as an example of that.

Here's your original quote:
Rather than fully embracing the weirdness of comics, they keep trying to make things more drab and "realistic."

I don't see anything about normal...

[stealthwise]

Blah. Can we just get Darwyn Cooke to write and draw a J'onn series, please?

[glue]

Blah. Can we just get Darwyn Cooke to write and draw a J'onn series, please?

Ah, in a perfect world.

[Brian R]

While I am not crazy about the high collar, I do think the new look is a vast improvement over the old one. Call me crazy, but that's what I think.

[David O Burcham]

I'm another who liked the costume okay except for that collar. Didn't give a squat for the story.

I would've gone for his alien look from the animated version in the animated costume. His comic book alien face still looks too human.

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jl/media/gallery/17.jpg

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jl/bios/heroes/martianm/11.jpg

[Ronnigon]

I have always hated the "mandatory shorts" on superheroes.

Even when they're put in long pants, they have to have the little shorts over the pants. It looks so neurotic.

An all-red fashion outfit of some sort would look great on Martian Manhunter. But I still like the new high collar. It's weird and overly formal, just like Manhunter's personality.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Blah. Can we just get Darwyn Cooke to write and draw a J'onn series, please?

Ding! Ding! Ding!

We have a winnah!

New Frontier has to rank up there as the definitive J'Onn J'Onzz origin story in my books.

And, yeah, that costume is really fugly.

[glennsim]

Given the whole "New Earth has a new history" idea, it's entirely possible that the past stories that contradict MM#1 never happened.

[Agentum]

Now as i have read this book i must say this will not work very well, he looks stupid with that head.
There was no need to change his head at all.

And the story was nothing to remember zzzzzzzzzzzz

[Gozwald73]

I like it (wow from an "old timer" even?)
:eek:

[Joe Acro]

Given the whole "New Earth has a new history" idea, it's entirely possible that the past stories that contradict MM#1 never happened.
See, that's where it gets into, "I don't know what to believe anymore." Like the Legion reboot.

[astronato]

I liked issue 1 and I'll likely get the whole arc. I like the new outfit but I also like his classic look. I'd be happy if DC used both from time to time like Wonder Woman wears her armor and her short shorts.

I'm not sure where the more alien looking Martian Manhunter began but I liked it alot in Darwyn Cooke's New Frontier. Again, DC can have J'onn appear both ways from time to time. He is a shapeshifter right?

The only thing I didn't care for was the Skrull like chin wrinkles.

I'm not sure yet if this version of Martian Manhunter is the one I'd want in an ongoing (it's only issue 1 after all), but I would like a MM ongoing. John Jones detective/crime noir stories and J'onn J'onzz cosmic adventures. Now that's a nice mix!

[K'Nort]

I'm not sure where the more alien looking Martian Manhunter began but I liked it alot in Darwyn Cooke's New Frontier.

That's a good question. He didn't have it at the very beginning (Detective #225; I just looked) but the pointy head showed up regularly in the 1990s, especially in flashbacks. Not sure about before that.

[Paul Newell]

I'm not sure where the more alien looking Martian Manhunter began but I liked it alot in Darwyn Cooke's New Frontier.
The look first appeared in the Martian Manhunter mini-series from 1988. By J. M. DeMatteis and Mark Badger.

[curefreak]

i just read this issue and i liked some of it (not crazy about the costume)
and i dont understand why he insists on running around with a pointy head now when hes looked more human before and hasnt had any problems looking human(this doesnt make a lot of sense to me) but also i dont understand who the guy is in the hood :confused:
they showed before a guy in psi-armor of some kind who was after his friend/fellow martian but this guy uses the same looking type beam but isnt wearing armor so im sort of confused.
also what is the significance of the red button ? and who does it belong to?

[curefreak]

isnt anyone gonna help me? :(

[batturtle]

I'm totally confused as to what the hell they've done with J'onn.
But I guess they'll explain that in the next few issues.
I'm not a comic fan that fears change (I like Kyle better than Hal for example), but this new J'onn story-line leaves me with a bad feeling as to where the character is going.

[curefreak]

I'm totally confused as to what the hell they've done with J'onn.
But I guess they'll explain that in the next few issues.
I'm not a comic fan that fears change (I like Kyle better than Hal for example), but this new J'onn story-line leaves me with a bad feeling as to where the character is going.
well i like the artwork and while im not sure why theyre changing his personality, someone on dc felt he needed the change. the story was a little confusing for me to follow, i dont know if im the only one since most people on here are more concerned about what hes wearing wich i will admit again is very ugly.