Should Max Comics have more titles?

[Frostbite883]

MAX is a marvel comics imprint geared towards adult audiences, launched in 2001 after Marvel broke with the Comics Code Authority and established their own rating system. MAX titles are unique because unlike other Marvel imprint titles, MAX titles are free to deliver explicit content.

So then, for those who know about the MAX imprint, do you guys and gals think that MAX should have more titles? I believe so. Besides it would be pretty sweet for MAX(and it's readers) to have more than one title(Punisher) and mini-series after mini-series in the MAX imprint. So again, what do ya'll guys and gals think?

[drwho]

I think the whole thing with the max line is not enough people buy it so marvel doesn't feel like launching series. I do think with this line mini series are the right way to go. They already have a Wisdom and Son of satan mini coming up. Plus this whole content of the books tends to alienate the comic buying crowd because of things like cussing.

[LabRat]

I think they should bring Supreme Power / Squadron Supreme back under the Max line, it rocked so much under Max and now its kind of bland...

[Atom_basher]

They should do a new crew mini series under the max line

[Frostbite883]

They should do a new crew mini series under the max line

Hmmm.....not a bad idea there, AB! I'm loving it! :cool:

[Titan76]

I think the whole thing with the max line is not enough people buy it so marvel doesn't feel like launching series.
Supreme Power sold better under the MAX line then it is now and Punisher sales are still very good.

Yes the MAX line should have more titles. Wolverine, Daredevil, Deadpool, the Hulk(maybe), Ghost Raider, and a few more should be under the MAX line.

[Magneto_X]

What confuses me is why isn't the new Moon Knight series in MAX?

[Haunt]

I think they should bring Supreme Power / Squadron Supreme back under the Max line, it rocked so much under Max and now its kind of bland...

********agreed*********

What confuses me is why isn't the new Moon Knight series in MAX?


because he doesn't curse and his nipples aren't exposed.

[Young Avenger]

I think the MAX line needs another ongoing. Like Labrat suggested, Supreme Power needs to be brought back to the imprint. I believe Hellstorm could work as an ongoing for the imprint as well. Most of all, MAX needs to shy away from Superheroes as much as possible.

[guy2]

it looks like the Max line has lost its steam that and the MK line

[Saberteeth]

because he doesn't curse and his nipples aren't exposed.


:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Please tell me i mis-read this!? Somebody please fill me in cause i'm really weirded out! Oh and SP definatly shoulda stayed MAX it's not the same in MK at all.

[Mark (nonick)]

it looks like the Max line has lost its steam that and the MK line

I think what's actually happened is that JQ has successfully integrated some more sobering themes into the Marvel 616 titles, so labeling them "MK" has become somewhat moot.

As for the MAX stuff, I think that it may have lost some steam - but Punisher continues to astound. The line really does need a "different" title to keep it viable. What they need to do is look at MAX as an R rating, not simply a license to fork. Supreme Power was actually a perfect compliment to Punisher. More adult themes with a more mature style of pacing etc. The Hulk would be really cool in MAX - do it almost as a horror book.

[Frostbite883]

I think what's actually happened is that JQ has successfully integrated some more sobering themes into the Marvel 616 titles, so labeling them "MK" has become somewhat moot.

Exactly. I mean, come on JQ! If you're reading this JoeQ, please, please, don't send the Punisher series to the regular Marvel imprint. It's better just the way it is. Really..it is.

As for the MAX stuff, I think that it may have lost some steam - but Punisher continues to astound. The line really does need a "different" title to keep it viable. What they need to do is look at MAX as an R rating, not simply a license to fork.

Definitely. Heck, that's why the Punisher was integrated to the MAX line
in the first place after all.

Supreme Power was actually a perfect compliment to Punisher. More adult themes with a more mature style of pacing etc. The Hulk would be really cool in MAX - do it almost as a horror book.

Indeed, the series can still call itself Squadron Supreme but, they
should return it back to the MAX line and at least bring back
the mature/adult themes that it once had when the series was called...
Supreme Power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Power)!!!

:cool:

Hopefully, JoeyQ realizes this before he decides to cancel The Punisher
and integrate his series to the regular Marvel imprint. And hopefully.....he
wouldn't integrate other and/or future MAX minis in the Marvel imprint too.
that would seriously be a shame. A real shame indeed. :(

[Joey Deadcat]

Man, can you imagine if Joe Q ran the Vertigo line for DC?:eek:

[Gargus]

It doesnt need more titles, just more quality ones.

Aside from the punisher it doesnt have much going for it. And personally the punisher being a max title strips away his human side and makes him a soulless robot killing machine with less personality that the terminator, its more about shocking the readers and alot of F words used than anything else.

I think they need to just keep maxx around for mini series and such. Things that actually would benefit from that label. Release stuff from time to time and just let it be at that. Any of marvels mainstay charcters dont belong in it because when you have freedom to show all that kind of stuff the charcters tend to be less of a concern along with the story. Why I never liked underground comics much is because they get so wrapped up in showing all these naughty things that the story is boring and uninspired.

[Expletive Deleted]

I believe Quesada has said mini-series are the order of the day.

By the way, Gargus . . .... so I have a choice besides ennis's emotionless, robot killing machine the punisher is now ...... being mowed down in droves by a souless, mindless killing robot machine that barely talks, thinks or has any emotion ...... the punisher is nothing now more than a killing machine that lurches around like a robot ...... turn him into a soulless killing machine and nothing more ... he is like jason vorhees of NY, just a blind killing machine ... has to be dark and brooding to enchance his dark and robot like behavior ...... turned the punisher into a souless robot killing machine ...... turned the punisher into a soulless and emotionless killing machine that bores me to tears ... . . . you're repeating yourself.

[Alan2099]

But at least he's consistant!

[Expletive Deleted]

Like a machine, you might say.

A robot, even.

[ratzo]

Why I never liked underground comics much is because they get so wrapped up in showing all these naughty things that the story is boring and uninspired.

**wonders how Gargus defines "underground"**:rolleyes:

[Subotai]

Aside from the punisher it doesnt have much going for it. And personally the punisher being a max title strips away his human side and makes him a soulless robot killing machine with less personality that the terminator, its more about shocking the readers and alot of F words used than anything else.

As opposed to the humane creature Frank Castle was before the Max line got ahold of him?;)

[Mark (nonick)]

Man. I remember a month or so ago, me just a newbie to the forum, and reading that familiar Punisher MAX dissension for the first time.

Made me so angry then.

Kinda makes me smile, now.

I call it growth!

[matt levin]

So far MAX has completely under-whelmed me.

I agree MAX should veer away from superheroic titles, and create new, ground-level, even political, even politically dangerous, every-day life titles.

MAX so far has pretty much bored me, sorry.

Matt

[Uncensored]

Plus this whole content of the books tends to alienate the comic buying crowd because of things like cussing.

So then, according to your logic, comic book readers don't watch films with cursing or curse themselves?

Please...

[Cavalry Tanker]

I really love Enis on Punisher, but I actually think it was better story-wise under MK. I agree Punisher is really losing his soul under the current MAX titles, with 6 part storylines every arc, it got to the point that I droped the book in favor of Trades (which I'm doing with Daredevil as well).

Punisher is on my top ten favorite characters, but every once in a while I'd like to see him go up against a super-powered foe. I always love it when Frank manages to beat someone way out of his league (though I wish he did it more permeant).

[Joey Deadcat]

So then, according to your logic, comic book readers don't watch films with cursing or curse themselves?

Please...

And remember - that's what killed off DC's Vertigo line!;)

[Joey Deadcat]

I believe Quesada has said mini-series are the order of the day.

By the way, Gargus . . . . . . you're repeating yourself.

More and more he's reminding me of that guy who was obsessed with Ron Marz bring back Hal Jordan as the Green Lantern.

[Baytor]

I'm one of the biggest Punisher fans on the planet and I do agree that Ennis's MAX Punisher is more "Soul-less" but I read the MAX title because it makes me laugh, shocks me, and gives me a satisfying finality to Frank's world. When people die in MAX, their not coming back with tights the next week.

I agree that Ghost Rider should be MAX, Nick Fury could have a few more MAX stories. I'd also like to see Ennis start another new title with original story and characters. Hitman and Preacher had great runs that were long enough to be good stories, but short enough to avoid stagnation.

Pete Wisdom and the Zombies thing should be cool....

[mandog]

I dug the Thor: Vikings mini that was under the Max lable a few years ago. I'd like to see a greater use of their main line characters in minis under the Max line. Like someone said The Hulk would be cool, Hawkeye could be sweet, DD, or Namor. Give Nick Fury an ongoing under the Max lable. Or, a villains ongoing that rotates the villains it follows. It could have a Sabertooth story, Bullseye, Venom, etc.

[Kid Lantern]

yes! beacuse seeing jessica jones masturbate over jonny storm really blew me away. Its brave. and soooooo satisfying to the inner geek

[ratzo]

I'd also like to see Ennis start another new title with original story and characters. Hitman and Preacher had great runs that were long enough to be good stories, but short enough to avoid stagnation.


For almost two years, he and Steve Dillon have been working on what will eventually be a new Vertigo series called City Lights. Hopefully it'll be ready to go next year. In the meantime, The Boys with Darick Robertson comes out next week.

[christoph68]

i really like the punisher under the max line, but that does not mean that there couldn't be a mk or main mu line either!
i believe the new punisher war journal is going to be a mk line.

ghost rider, werewolf by night, moon knight, morbius, son of satan, man-wolf
all these could be max lines or mk lines and still be part of the 616 mu.
the fact is that max is for older readers and many of us don't like the constent retelling or changing of the char.'s origin all the time.
but marvel also has to play to the new comic buyers too.:evilsmile

[mushroom2703]

I definetely think there should be more max titles, as long as the projects call for the max treatment. I don't want to see a seire sjust written in max form because it cqan be, but if a certain project calls for the max banner and really goes for a mature line and story and concept; not jsut swearing, the whole shebang, then excellent.

[christoph68]

I definetely think there should be more max titles, as long as the projects call for the max treatment. I don't want to see a seire sjust written in max form because it cqan be, but if a certain project calls for the max banner and really goes for a mature line and story and concept; not jsut swearing, the whole shebang, then excellent.


i totally agree and by the way i think it sucks that they killed of the original human torch!!:evilsmile

[Agentum]

I think it deserv more titles yes.

But not for nudity or something like that, i don't care for drawn nude womans that much.

But look at The Punisher, great comics that probaly would have been a lot watered down if it was not an MAX title.
Or Alias that lost almost everything when it became an mainstream title in MU.

I dont understan why the code is still in use, if it restrict the writers and artist to tell the story they want its a bad thing.

[Baytor]

For almost two years, he and Steve Dillon have been working on what will eventually be a new Vertigo series called City Lights. Hopefully it'll be ready to go next year. In the meantime, The Boys with Darick Robertson comes out next week.


I had not heard anything about "City Lights", but I'll be first in line for "The Boys" next week! :D

[Kid Lantern]

god I want more alias :rolleyes:

Also: dont you hate it when it goes from Max to Marvel? like Supreme Power became once agian Squadren Supreme...

Still alright but, now kinglsy has to wear a swimming costume and all that stuff....

[ratzo]

Garth Ennis:
"City Lights is a several-hundred page serialized graphci novel about four friends and the four cities they live in and visit. Completely non-genre, just slice-of-life stuff; a tale of male friendship, loyalty, emigration, what you take with you and what you leave behind. Steve'll be doing it in black & white, no color. It is, I suppose, our attempt to pool our resources and show what comics are truly capable of. We'll either triumph with choirs of angels singing hosannas to our names, or fall flat on our stupid faces. But we've been wanting to do this thing for twelve years; there's no stopping us now."

Steve Dillon:
"City Lights is something we have to do now before it becomes too big in our heads for us to approach it. This one's for us but it goes without saying that I hope people who read it will get something from it, too. It will be great to get this story out there as it will free our brains and give us space to come up with our next annoyingly personal project."

Back on topic: it looks as if the Icon line is doing what Max should have - or at least, what some of us had hoped the Max line would do, which is be Marvel's Vertigo. I can't imagine there's all that much demand for seeing familiar superhero characters swear and run around nude :p , but I would at least like to see some more top level talent besides Ennis and JMS and Vaughn (The Hood).

[dopexvii]

i wouldnt mind seeing something a bit different to what everyone else has said they like to see as max titles (mostly midknight sons characters) sure these characters easily suit this mold as theyre genraly gritt and writen as a softcore version of max titles
i would like to see something we wouldnt conventionally see as a max title (much like we did with thor and Howard)
like i dunno.. Machine Man ? or Sentry, darkhawk would work well i think
or even a book like Beyond in a Max style