Ms. Marvel #6 *spoilers*

[smokey861]

(The search button kept freezing, I looked to see if someone made a thread, but if someallready did, please kill this thread)


Ok this is the first time I ever bought a Ms. Marvel book. Not bad at all really. Here is a quick rundown:


*The Prowler gets captured

*Ms. Marvel has a really nice ass and looks lovely in a NASA shirt :)

*IM is ask if CA was in Ms. Marvels crib(which he was)

* IM ask Ms. Marvel and Wonderman to go find a teenage super hero called Arana

*Prowler gives in and tell sthat....Arachne is tipping off the other side!

*Shroud and Arachne get caught by SHIELD and try to escape

*Ms. Marvel and wonderman go to get sumthing to eat and accidently find Arana


Now the question I have is:

1. Can they legaly take in a teenager and hold them(withought telling the parents)
2. Can they make Arana work for SHEILD
3. The SRA still confuses me on what they consider "adults" or if all superhero's, regardless of age, are grouped in.

[ReigningBlood]

I definitely enjoyed this issue. I've picked up Ms. Marvel since issue one, and have really enjoyed what Reed has done with the character. And now this issue really gets the ball rolling. It's going to be really interesting to see how Carol and Simon deal with the teenager when apprehending her.

And the stuff with Arachne was great, too. Something big is going down next Ms. Marvel issue with Ararchne/Shroud and Wonderman/Ms. Marvel.

Also, especially in this issue and Frontlines I've noticed the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents have been coming across as even more corrupt. I'm looking forward to see how Prowler's confession comes into play...

[marvelboi77]

I've been luke warm on this series from the start. But this issue rocked, and rocked hard and it's not because of Ms. Marvel. The Arachne, and Shroud scenes are awsome. I love the splash of Arachne, and Shroud escaping. :p

[AnthonyJ]

1. Can they legal take in a teenager and hold them(withought telling the parents)
In the real universe, assuming they have actual police powers (which seems to be the case), they can certainly take and hold a teenager, though you can't take someone and hold them incommunicado. Whether they can decline to inform the parents in the event that the suspect does not wish family to be notified I don't know.
2. Can they make Arana work for SHEILD
The rule, as I understand it, is:
a) If you wish to act as a superhero, you have to work for SHIELD.
b) Minors are not permitted to act as superheroes.

[protege]

Did Arana always have that Spider head?

[Volk1]

Did Arana always have that Spider head?
edit: No she didn't.

This issue was fantastic. I loved all the cameo's and I love there where Carol gets a little sad because her decision to register has made Cap her enemy.

The Civil-War issues across the board rock. Ms. Marvel #6 is a great example.

I wonder what the consequences of Arachne's actions will be?



Free The Prowler!:D

[CyberCoyote]

Teenagers: Stark says to give her a chance since SHE might have misunderstood the law. Has the danged law been written anywhere, because it seems vague?: superpowers/any kind of vigilante (Prowler)/gotta register/gotta if you are active. Leave the country or just retire. What's what? I don't get it, how can this poor girl? :)

Wondy doesn't eat, I liked that he decided to go there just to make Carol 'happy'. Reed knows he doesn't need food or get hungry from scouring the city, so it's all flirting.

The scenes with the Shroud and Arachne DID rock. Big time.

That somnabitch SHIELD agent that roughed up Prowler and threatened him with arresting his wife needs to get his butt handed to him. I don't trust SHIELD any further than I can toss the Hulk.

This was a really fun issue. And what was up with the dream Carol was having about being operated on or experimented on? Was it just a dream or is there something else going on?

[jackolover]

Teenagers: Stark says to give her a chance since SHE might have misunderstood the law. Has the danged law been written anywhere, because it seems vague?: superpowers/any kind of vigilante (Prowler)/gotta register/gotta if you are active. Leave the country or just retire. What's what? I don't get it, how can this poor girl? :)

Wondy doesn't eat, I liked that he decided to go there just to make Carol 'happy'. Reed knows he doesn't need food or get hungry from scouring the city, so it's all flirting.

The scenes with the Shroud and Arachne DID rock. Big time.

That somnabitch SHIELD agent that roughed up Prowler and threatened him with arresting his wife needs to get his butt handed to him. I don't trust SHIELD any further than I can toss the Hulk.

This was a really fun issue. And what was up with the dream Carol was having about being operated on or experimented on? Was it just a dream or is there something else going on?

It is my opinion that New Avengers 22, when the clock counted down to midnight, was when the SHRA came into effect, 7 days after it was passed in CW2.

And I agree with another poster, the tie-in issues have been great. The X-Factor and She-Hulk side plots, I have never seen before, because I don't normally get them, but only for Civil War.

[drwho]

Okay, this may sound bad to everybody. In this one issue SpiderWoman was more interesting as a character and her situation then Ms. Marvel has been since this series started. Have Shroud and Spiderwoman always dated or was this just introduced in this storyline? If someone could give me background info on thier relationship it would be much appreciated. Also when did Arana start transforming into that? I thought she had a regular cutesy costume.

[Mariah]

This was a really fun issue. And what was up with the dream Carol was having about being operated on or experimented on? Was it just a dream or is there something else going on?
Maybe she's getting a semblance of her 7th sense back!

[Maximum Spider]

You know what? I realized that Ms. Marvel is pretty hot, I mean that's the point of comic book women, but her and She-Hulk really have Marvel on lock,lol.

[jackolover]

Okay, this may sound bad to everybody. In this one issue SpiderWoman was more interesting as a character and her situation then Ms. Marvel has been since this series started. Have Shroud and Spiderwoman always dated or was this just introduced in this storyline? If someone could give me background info on thier relationship it would be much appreciated. Also when did Arana start transforming into that? I thought she had a regular cutesy costume.

Sorry, I don't have any background to Spiderwoman/Shroud, but yeah, she so turns me on, from her earlier appearances in that Venom costume. She rocks. All I can add was when she was in ForceWorks, Spiderwoman was dating a Cap replica in a grey suit - I forgot his name. Since then, as far as I have followed, she gave up the suit, and stopped being a cape. Boy am I glad she's back. And I just love that she is the wrong side of the law, like she always is. And the romance with Shroud? I am just as surprised as you.

[jonwes]

I've been following Ms. Marvel since #1 (or the Giant-Size special I guess) and while I've enjoyed the series and the character I thought it didn't really hit it out of the park. That being said, I thought this issue was great. I'm glad the Civil War tie-in book was so strong. I'm hoping all the people who picked it up might stick around a bit now. I wonder how they're going to work the trades? This would be an awful place to break.

[JeffreyWKramer]

I might have to pick up this issue just because it features the Shroud, who is one of my favorite minor Marvel characters.

So, Shroud actually does something and is presented in a reasonably cool way in this issue?

[Mark (nonick)]

I decided to try this title out this month because I heard it was a jumping-on issue. It was actually pretty decent. My only thing is that it felt like Arachne's arc was FAST - like too fast for me to care that she was a double agent for the Anti-Reg side. Had she been set up in previous issues, or did she just drop into the story this month?

[Blackcat]

Is Arachne wearing her old outfit or a new one?

Was she looking as hot as always?

[Hiromi]

I might have to pick up this issue just because it features the Shroud, who is one of my favorite minor Marvel characters.

So, Shroud actually does something and is presented in a reasonably cool way in this issue?

Very much so.

This was easily the best and most enjoyable issue for this series thus far, hope it continues.

[RDWoody21]

This issue was pretty sweet (my first attempt at reading a Ms. Marvel book). I think that I may stick around afterwords...maybe, I'm getting the feeling from this forum that the issues before hand were not all that great.

Either way I'm pretty sure she'll be on one of the Avengers teams when all is said and done, so I'm sure there will be enough Carol Danvers to go around.

Maybe Archane will replace Jessica Drew on one of the Avengers teams also...she really peaked my interest in this issue.

[DamonO]

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Can someone here tell me how the Prowler knew Arachne was a double-agent?

[Haunt]

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Can someone here tell me how the Prowler knew Arachne was a double-agent?

she's been tipping heroes off whenever the pro-side goes looking for them. remember the interview asked him where he was when they arrived. he turned up in costume; meaning that he knew they were coming.

[MDactor1980]

This issue was pretty sweet (my first attempt at reading a Ms. Marvel book). I think that I may stick around afterwords...maybe, I'm getting the feeling from this forum that the issues before hand were not all that great.

I've been reading this series since the #1 relaunch... and it's actually been pretty solid. The first 3 issues were a short arc that pretty much set up the tone for the beginning of the series. Carol is back with a vengeance post HOM and had a taste of being the most A-list hero, and wants that badly. She has a fun shat with Spider-Woman and hires a "Superhero Publicist" to work on her image. She also has a fight with the Brood, that was also entertaining. The next 2 issues guest starred Dr. Strange, and a villain who is sort of displaced in time from the HOM. The storytelling has been great involving humor, good action, and enough tidbits to lead in to many future stories to come.

I highly recommend this book, as the creative team is both great and under-rated; and it is such a surprise, since it definetly had "Suck" potential.

[MDactor1980]

Also, the covers have been amazing, between Frank Cho & now, David Mack.

[Gregg Helmberger]

She has a fun shat with Spider-Woman

Now THAT'S an image that I'll need brain bleach to remove from my mind.

Anyway, I was hoping that the spy turned out to be a little more effective and long-lasting. Having Arachne discovered pretty much immediately was...pointless, I thought. She went from being a spy to being exactly like any other anti-reg hero in less than one issue of the multi-issue arc. Too bad.

[Nevets F]

The Mrs. Marvel series is always good, and I love Carol, but the reason this issue was SO fantastic was the return of Julia Carpenter. She rocks so much, and I am so happy to see her return.

More Julia!

[drwho]

The Mrs. Marvel series is always good, and I love Carol, but the reason this issue was SO fantastic was the return of Julia Carpenter. She rocks so much, and I am so happy to see her return.

More Julia!

I'd be in heaven if Ms. Marvel was cancelled and instantly turned into an Arachne book.

[Miss Kitty Fantastico]

Solid issue. A bit of a shift from 1-5, which were pretty much Carol and Carol alone - especially 1-3 - having Wonder Man come in in co-star style, and having time spent on the supporting cast. I'm not sure how I feel about the prospect of him being a regularly appearing character, or a love interest even - I think there's plenty of story potential in Carol's life and heroing without having romance thrown in too, especially this early in her solo title. There's often a trend, in all writing, to equate 'personal life' with 'love life,' but it doesn't always work that way, and the previous issues had me interested in the idea of a book about Carol, hero and woman, that wasn't to do with her getting it on with anyone.

The Arachne subplot didn't feel especially connected to Ms Marvel at all, and I'm wondering if she and Shroud are going to continue to appear in some capacity after this arc, or if they're just a Civil War thing to complement Carol's SHIELD activities. That said, I did like how the ID folders were used to intro the new characters - appropriate, given the SHIELD ops feel of the story - and how (intentionally, I assume) the repetition of the info on Arachne's daughter was used ominously, without changing a word, the second time her folder appeared.

I'm still liking the art, but I regretfully have to say, the cover (and next month's preview cover) left me really cold. It's not my style of art at all, and beyond that, I don't think it gels with what's inside the book. I hope they return to the previous bold, comic-book-y covers soon.

The meaning of that nightmare she was having will doubtless be revealed in due course, but I'll just throw this out there for consideration - did anyone else think she was experiencing Cru's creation? Something just made me think that - that the cut she got in the Cru arc has bonded her with it in some way, and she's now dreaming its memories. I always wondered where it came from, whether it was born or made - perhaps it was made, out of an unwilling subject. Maybe the Brood even made it themselves - the voice speaking to her was in the same font they had in #2.

(Edited to add: I didn't mention the obvious explanation, that she's reliving her own ordeal at the hands of the Brood, which turned her into Binary. But I like symmetry, and the idea of Carol and Cru being mirror images of each other is kind of neat.)

[Mothmonsterman]

Solid issue. A bit of a shift from 1-5, which were pretty much Carol and Carol alone - especially 1-3 - having Wonder Man come in in co-star style, and having time spent on the supporting cast. I'm not sure how I feel about the prospect of him being a regularly appearing character, or a love interest even - I think there's plenty of story potential in Carol's life and heroing without having romance thrown in too, especially this early in her solo title. There's often a trend, in all writing, to equate 'personal life' with 'love life,' but it doesn't always work that way, and the previous issues had me interested in the idea of a book about Carol, hero and woman, that wasn't to do with her getting it on with anyone.


The thing about her relationship with Wonder Man is that her main motivation in this series is trying to get back what she had in House of M. She remembers everything, and in that reality she and Wonder Man were a couple.

[bfrank]

went after the villians of the MU, the same way that are going after the heroes now, there would be no need for super heroes...save to thwart Galactus and Annhilus (sp) every now and again.....

[Deus ex Chris]

I'd be in heaven if Ms. Marvel was cancelled and instantly turned into an Arachne book.
And the rest of us would be in Hell...

[Miss Kitty Fantastico]

The thing about her relationship with Wonder Man is that her main motivation in this series is trying to get back what she had in House of M. She remembers everything, and in that reality she and Wonder Man were a couple.
It'll be interesting to see that come into play, but I think from what Carol's said she's pretty clear on what it is she wants to regain - the sense of achievement, of accomplishment, of being all she can be. I expect any House of M background we need will be provided in future issues (I didn't read it, nor have I had to to understand Ms Marvel so far), but right now I'm not seeing the storytelling 'space' for a romantic liaison. If Carol retains some affection for Wonder Man due to her parallel-romance with him, it seems to me that'd be something she'd eventually want to overcome, not recreate, if she's serious about achieving her potential.

[Nevets F]

And the rest of us would be in Hell...

I would be in heaven if Julia had a book.....I don't want Ms. Marvel canceled, but I would but a Julia book over ANY other book currently being published.

[jsg2295]

The story was alright in my opinion.
What I thought was interesting was the fact that in Julia's "secret" file it mentions her nine year old daughter!!
Brings up one of the biggest reasons not to register.
I would hate to see Spidey's secret file.
Yep, someone in Petey's family is going to bite the big one.

[AnthonyJ]

What I thought was interesting was the fact that in Julia's "secret" file it mentions her nine year old daughter!!
Eh. Once you have information sufficient to ID her, finding out that she has a daughter isn't hard; having the information in her file doesn't really make her more vulnerable than she already was.

The families of supers aren't any more vulnerable than the families of people in a lot of RL jobs where you have a tendency to make enemies. A judge or DA who sends a supervillian to prison doesn't have a secret ID, and is just as much of a target as Spiderman.

[Haunt]

Eh. Once you have information sufficient to ID her, finding out that she has a daughter isn't hard; having the information in her file doesn't really make her more vulnerable than she already was.

The families of supers aren't any more vulnerable than the families of people in a lot of RL jobs where you have a tendency to make enemies. A judge or DA who sends a supervillian to prison doesn't have a secret ID, and is just as much of a target as Spiderman.

not to mention that her daughter has already been kidnapped once.

[The Shadow]

I really enjoyed the issue.

Compared to the lighter stuff of the first issues this was a shot in the arm. Loved the stuff with Wonder Man and chalk me up as a Julia fan as well.

[jsg2295]

Eh. Once you have information sufficient to ID her, finding out that she has a daughter isn't hard; having the information in her file doesn't really make her more vulnerable than she already was.

The families of supers aren't any more vulnerable than the families of people in a lot of RL jobs where you have a tendency to make enemies. A judge or DA who sends a supervillian to prison doesn't have a secret ID, and is just as much of a target as Spiderman.
A judge or DA is not the same. Like comparing apples to oranges.
The criminals and DA put away criminals who dont have the same resources as some of these villians do.
I cant see Joe Q. arrested for burglary, trying to find the house of the Honorable JSG just because he gave him 3-5 years. I doubt he would have the willpower or even the intelligence to do it.
I can see Electro getting pissed....finding Aunt May...the school PP works in.....finding MJ....bbq the whole lot....mmmmm...smell that pork.
They have more resources. Hell, you cant tell me that the Tinkerer or someone couldnt find out all there is to know about Spidey? Selling it to someone and getting the job done.
Sure a Judge is vulnerable...but there is more respect if you kill someone like Spidey or a relative of theirs as compared to the Honorable JSG.

[Zel]

I enjoyed the issue. Their accidental finding of Arana was funny.

I haven't seen the Shroud since the early issues of West Coast Avengers, not sure if he's popped up elsewhere since then. Still, with a nyc penthouse and a hot woman like Arachne, being off panel has worked out real well for him.

[AnthonyJ]

A judge or DA is not the same. Like comparing apples to oranges.
The criminals and DA put away criminals who dont have the same resources as some of these villians do.
The judge and DA put away exactly the same criminals as the super. Believe it or not, supervillians get trials.

[XPac]

I enjoyed the issue. Their accidental finding of Arana was funny.

I haven't seen the Shroud since the early issues of West Coast Avengers, not sure if he's popped up elsewhere since then. Still, with a nyc penthouse and a hot woman like Arachne, being off panel has worked out real well for him.

Shroud is a criminal ... crime does pay I guess.

[drwho]

Does anyone know when arana developed the new look with her powers?

[Haunt]

Shroud is a criminal ... crime does pay I guess.


he was pretending to be a criminal for awhile, if that's what you mean.

[riotgear]

This has been an interesting series, but it seems to suffer from decompression. Most of these stories would've been better as done-in-ones, or at least one-issue cliffhangers. Marvel has gotten better the last couple of years at curbing the decompression feel (for the most part), but there are some books that just seem to fail more because of the decompression than anything else. I'm hoping that this one isn't one of them.

[Kent H]

A judge or DA is not the same. Like comparing apples to oranges.
The criminals and DA put away criminals who dont have the same resources as some of these villians do.
I cant see Joe Q. arrested for burglary, trying to find the house of the Honorable JSG just because he gave him 3-5 years. I doubt he would have the willpower or even the intelligence to do it.
I can see Electro getting pissed....finding Aunt May...the school PP works in.....finding MJ....bbq the whole lot....mmmmm...smell that pork.
They have more resources. Hell, you cant tell me that the Tinkerer or someone couldnt find out all there is to know about Spidey? Selling it to someone and getting the job done.
Sure a Judge is vulnerable...but there is more respect if you kill someone like Spidey or a relative of theirs as compared to the Honorable JSG.


Do you pay attention to the news much? There have been plenty of judges who've had to go into hiding or protective custody because people they locked up have come after them.

[saintsaucey]

Judges and Cops and DA's are under the same scrutiney that "Super Heroes" are. I agree, thats why heroes wear masks. Peter him slef pointed out to Reed and Sue that he doesn't have the resorces to protect his family like they do.

Anyway, I loved the issue. I was puzzeled with the new arana costume, I haven't seen it before so it was jarring.

No one seems to be mentioning the fact that Archne(Spider-woman) is the betrayer that everyone thought Might be, Jen, Sue, Peter or Ben.

What are shroud's powers, cause right after I read this issue I read ff and so i was confusing Shroud and Cloak

[XPac]

What are shroud's powers, cause right after I read this issue I read ff and so i was confusing Shroud and Cloak

Shroud can release darkforce in the form of a black gas. It's basically him creating this big smokesceen that he can see through but others can't. He's not exactly what you might qualify as a powerhouse.

[Mariah]

This has been an interesting series, but it seems to suffer from decompression. Most of these stories would've been better as done-in-ones, or at least one-issue cliffhangers. Marvel has gotten better the last couple of years at curbing the decompression feel (for the most part), but there are some books that just seem to fail more because of the decompression than anything else. I'm hoping that this one isn't one of them.
decompression? I'm not seeing that at all. Unless you're talking about the first issue, and I wouldn't really call it that either. It was a character building/development issue. Most of the best comics back in the day we're character building issues.

[drwho]

Does it bother anyone else that we are going to issue 6 and there hasn't been much of a supporting cast developed besides the p.r. woman?

[XPac]

Does it bother anyone else that we are going to issue 6 and there hasn't been much of a supporting cast developed besides the p.r. woman?


I think because of the Civil War stuff, she's going to be spending more time hanging out with other Civil War buddies like Iron Man and Wonderman. Once Civil War ends, she can probably return to a more normal life.

And the most logical person to become a supporting cast member, Jessica Jones, if off in Cananda right now. Course, that said AFTER Civil War I'm not sure we can count of Jessica being a supporting cast memeber. This is the second time in one year that Carol and her buddies have gone after her husband.

[Mariah]

I think because of the Civil War stuff, she's going to be spending more time hanging out with other Civil War buddies like Iron Man and Wonderman. Once Civil War ends, she can probably return to a more normal life.

And the most logical person to become a supporting cast member, Jessica Jones, if off in Cananda right now. Course, that said AFTER Civil War I'm not sure we can count of Jessica being a supporting cast memeber. This is the second time in one year that Carol and her buddies have gone after her husband.
Yeah, Reed said he had to push back some of his plans because of Civil War, so, its' not exactly this is how it was supposed to have happened. Does anyone know what Ms. Marvel sales are?

[Will.S]

Pretty good tie-in.

I liked the scene between Ms. Marvel and Iron Man which of course puts her in an awkward position between the two. It was weird how much she got along with Cap, especially recently in NA where she went to him for support on her doing her own thing to then have to view him as a fugitive now. It kind of bugs me to see Iron Man's armor being depicted so inconsistently throughout, although I guess one reason would be because he wears different ones.

Anyway, it was great to see The Shroud and Julia Carpenter around (now going by Arachne). I haven't seen them in a long time and it's interesting to see them together as a couple. I have a question though, who's the father of Arachne's daughter anyway?

I will say, the way Arana made an appearance is pretty funny and cool at the same time. Hopefully they get rid of her lame costume and give her something much better looking. The artwork was pretty good and the colors made it stand out alot more, I noticed that De La Torre's art is looking like a mix of Billy Tan's art before he teamed up with Ed Brubaker and Gary Frank which is both good and bad at times.

Looking forward to seeing more of the CW issue tie ins of Ms. Marvel and her interaction with Simon.

[Dermie]

Does it bother anyone else that we are going to issue 6 and there hasn't been much of a supporting cast developed besides the p.r. woman?

Slightly, but we did see at least one or two new supporting cast members appear this issue. Brian Reed has said that Wonder Man will be sticking around as a supporting cast member, and we may very well be seeing more of Arana and Tony Stark beyond this arc as well.

Does anyone know what Ms. Marvel sales are?

I'm not sure what the sales figures are, but editor Andy Schmidt has said that MS MARVEL is greenlighted through to #18 at this point.

[Dermie]

I have a question though, who's the father of Arachne's daughter anyway?

Her ex-husband Larry, who was murdered back in WCA.

[Mariah]

Slightly, but we did see at least one or two new supporting cast members appear this issue. Brian Reed has said that Wonder Man will be sticking around as a supporting cast member, and we may very well be seeing more of Arana and Tony Stark beyond this arc as well.



I'm not sure what the sales figures are, but editor Andy Schmidt has said that MS MARVEL is greenlighted through to #18 at this point.
Yay! That's at least a year and a half of Carol goodness! I hope it goes for the long haul.

[boolean]

I wonder how they're going to work the trades? This would be an awful place to break.

My guess? The first trade will probably include the original story from Giant Size Ms. Marvel, as well as Ms. Marvel 1-5. This way it has the right amount of pages, and includes the introduction of Traveller in the HoM flashback.

[Will.S]

Her ex-husband Larry, who was murdered back in WCA.
Ahh thanks.

[drwho]

By the way I just noticed this, Traveller is actually a character from the dreaded spidey clone saga. I liked the saga, just goes to show that even today we are still seeing the effects.

[Hi-Fi]

Great issue.

I loved seeing Julia Carpenter again. She is just THAT cool. The Araña cliffhanger was entertaining as well.

Really good Civil War tie-in.

[daniel2099]

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Straight out of the pages of New Avengers and House of M! Call your friends, wake the neighbors, shout it from the rooftops! Come along for one heck of a wild ride as Brian Reed (co-writer of the thrilling Spider-Woman: Origin) joins forces with penciler extraordinaire Rob de la Torre for an action-packed adventure that includes special guest-stars Captain America and Jessica Jones. All this and an alien invasion that could mean the end of life on Earth, is tucked inside a cover by Eisner Award-nominated Frank Cho. Collects Ms. Marvel #1-5, Giant-Size Ms. Marvel #1.

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[DMike]

By the way I just noticed this, Traveller is actually a character from the dreaded spidey clone saga. I liked the saga, just goes to show that even today we are still seeing the effects.

That was Judas Traveler, who was revealed to be a mutant illusionist. The guy in Ms. Marvel is Warren Traveler, who seems to be out-and-out magical.

[drwho]

The resemblance between Judas and Waren sure is uncanny. Are they related? They even wear similar looking clothes. Here is my proof. And they also said he was screwed up in House of M world because he retained that memory of who he was. Maybe Warren was the name he was called in House of M. Too many similarities for them not to be the same.

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/1570/400/1570_4_00394.jpg

[Sandy Hausler]

The judge and DA put away exactly the same criminals as the super. Believe it or not, supervillians get trials.

You make a good point, but you ignore the fact that in the MU, super villains hold grudges against the heroes who defeat them much more than against judges or DAs. That's just the way it is. So from a realistic point of view, super villains could forget about going after the super heroes and just get revenge against the judges or DAs, they haven't done that. So we're back to the argument that if super villains knew the secret identitites of the heroes they hate, they would take revenge on the heroes' families.

Sandy Hausler

[Deus ex Chris]

Too many similarities for them not to be the same.
They have different powers, and besides that, the writer has mentioned more than once in interviews that he created the character.

[Jmacq1]

I would have liked to see a longer battle with the Prowler. These battles between A-listers and B-listers are way to brief.

Uhmmmm......

Prowler: A Street-Level third-string hero with a few fancy gadgets and a mild degree of experience and training.

Ms. Marvel: Considered a powerhouse even among the Avengers. Loads of experience and training.

If it'd been a long fight, it would've been poor writing. Prowler is -not- a credible threat to Ms. Marvel. That's not to say that some B and C-listers shouldn't be able to hold their own, but Prowler vs. Ms. Marvel isn't exactly a matchup that's going to make for much suspense as to the outcome, unless they write Ms. Marvel way below her capability or Prowler way above his.

All that having been said, I liked the issue pretty well. Arachne and Shroud make for an interesting couple (Shroud's always been a favorite among the third-stringers for me), so here's hoping they both don't get completely sidelined or killed as a result of all this. I also found it interesting (and heaven forbid somewhat realistic) that despite Shroud's very reasonable arguments to Julia, she still lashes out to try and protect him rather than thinking of her daughter's welfare. Heat of the moment/passion and all that.

Why do I have a feeling that Rachel may have something to do with Carol realizing that her Pro-Reg stance wasn't the best idea later on down the line?

[drwho]

They have different powers, and besides that, the writer has mentioned more than once in interviews that he created the character.

Where are these interviews at where he specifically say he created him?

[Mitchel]

Does it bother anyone else that we are going to issue 6 and there hasn't been much of a supporting cast developed besides the p.r. woman?

Not me. It seems like this series for a change will have other superheroes as supporting cast. One of the most boring aspects of solo series is uninteresting civilian supporting cast

[Haunt]

i was never a fan of the Shroud but i am a fan of Julia Carpenter. good to see them both. if Shroud survives this i would be quite interested in seeing him take a protoge. my recommendation would be Dusk (Cassandra St.Commons) from the Slingers. i could easily imagine her growing up to take the Shroud's place in the criminal underworld.

[Dermie]

The resemblance between Judas and Waren sure is uncanny. Are they related? They even wear similar looking clothes. Here is my proof. And they also said he was screwed up in House of M world because he retained that memory of who he was. Maybe Warren was the name he was called in House of M. Too many similarities for them not to be the same.


No, they are not related and they are not the same. MS MARVEL writer Brian Reed has said on several occassions now that there is no link between the two characters, and any similarities are just coincidence.

BRIAN REED: Trivia Time: The original idea for the GIANT SIZE story was that Traveler was a mutant with a time travel ability. His name was going to be "Rodney Traveller", because I am a smart ass and Rodney Taylor played "George" in the 1960 movie "The Time Machine". Well, in the book of THE TIME MACHINE, that character was known only as "the time traveller". Thus, the name Rodney Traveller was born.

Upon deciding that it was lame to have him be a mutant, and that I'd get more out of him if he was powered by magic, he became a sorcerer.

When Andy Schmidt suggested the name "Rodney" didn't really instill fear in one's opponents, I renamed the character to "Warren" for no particularly good reason.

The last name of "Traveler" is actually a typo that got repeated enough times that it became his name. So, no relation to Judas Traveller at all.

[jackolover]

I hope with these delays Marvel announced that the tie-ins will still come out as usual.

Anyway, who else thinks we are going to get a smackdown between Spiderwoman and Ms Marvel/Wonderman? Or Spiderwoman and Iron Man? That I gotta see. And maybe Julia ties up with Jessica Jones in Canada, because I think Bendis had Julia appear in an Alias issue with Jessica. And because of Julia's history, I can see why Julia didn't want to take any more s**t from the govenment, in this re-trian brigade. Can't wait to see who catches up with Julia and Shroud. I can also see Julia become the new Spiderwoman when Jessica Drew falls out of favour in the up and coming New Avengers issue.

[Sandy Hausler]

I hope with these delays Marvel announced that the tie-ins will still come out as usual.

Anyway, who else thinks we are going to get a smackdown between Spiderwoman and Ms Marvel/Wonderman? Or Spiderwoman and Iron Man? That I gotta see. And maybe Julia ties up with Jessica Jones in Canada, because I think Bendis had Julia appear in an Alias issue with Jessica. And because of Julia's history, I can see why Julia didn't want to take any more s**t from the govenment, in this re-trian brigade. Can't wait to see who catches up with Julia and Shroud. I can also see Julia become the new Spiderwoman when Jessica Drew falls out of favour in the up and coming New Avengers issue.

It was Jessica Drew who appeared in Alias. And the other Spider-Woman. Not Julia.

Sandy Hausler

[jackolover]

It was Jessica Drew who appeared in Alias. And the other Spider-Woman. Not Julia.

Sandy Hausler

So much for my argument.

[jackolover]

Can any one tell me if that guy would have pulled the trigger, would Ms Marvel have a bullet in her head? I'm not sure of her powers, but does she absorb energy? She could probably absorb the heat from the lead, but would the lead have gone into her head?

[Annie get your Rum]

I can also see Julia become the new Spiderwoman when Jessica Drew falls out of favour in the up and coming New Avengers issue.


Doubtful, seeing how Jessica Drew has already been confirmed to star in a 2007 ongoing series entitled Spider-Woman...

[XPac]

I hope with these delays Marvel announced that the tie-ins will still come out as usual.

Anyway, who else thinks we are going to get a smackdown between Spiderwoman and Ms Marvel/Wonderman? Or Spiderwoman and Iron Man? That I gotta see. And maybe Julia ties up with Jessica Jones in Canada, because I think Bendis had Julia appear in an Alias issue with Jessica. And because of Julia's history, I can see why Julia didn't want to take any more s**t from the govenment, in this re-trian brigade. Can't wait to see who catches up with Julia and Shroud. I can also see Julia become the new Spiderwoman when Jessica Drew falls out of favour in the up and coming New Avengers issue.

Right now I don't think EITHER of the Spider-Women are really in favor as far as Iron Man and SHIELD go. They're pretty much in the same boat I think.

If Peter betrays Tony like I think he will, I think the Spider family in general (if we can call them that) is going to be out of favor with a lot of people.