Civil War Delays?

[charbs89]

According to Marvel's catalog, punisher war journal #1 has been pushed back to november!!! is this for real?

[Erazmus]

WTF??!! Link please...

[charbs89]

my apologies
http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?category=PUNISHER&

[Erazmus]

Man, that's pretty weak. I was really looking forward to that too. Guess I have no choice but to wait longer... :mad:

[gma2darescue]

Ow, that sucks

[gma2darescue]

Although, it also says Civil War #4 is coming out 9/6 and I don't think that is right. And it says Civil War Front Line 6&7 are coming out on the same day. It looks like Marvel.com is having some technical difficulties

[charbs89]

Can this be possible? Civil War will be basically over by november, so won't these first 3 issues become irrelevent? I don't see how this can happen

[shadowwolf47]

I think it might be a glitch.

[PastePotPete]

Really too bad. I was ready for Frank Castle to make a triumphant/bloody return to the main Marvel U. Why the delay?

Is War Journal going to be a new ongoing or just a mini?

[RMThompson]

WHAT THE !?! ?!?

Are their NO new books this week?

[Elegance Liberty]

Well, there is 'Civil War: Frontline' #5 for this week.

But CW#4 I *think* is out next week, I can't be sure.

[Beast]

Civil War: Front Line #5
Ms Marvel #6

[Beast]

As for Civil War #4, it's been pushed from next week to 9/6. Yay for delays. :p

[Elegance Liberty]

Civil War: Front Line #5
Ms Marvel #6

Ah, forgot Ms. Marvel this week was a CW tie in.

Thanks, Beast. =]

[SnakeEater]

I posted the question in the wrong topic. But yeah, this week was two issues, last week was one and next week is only Thunderbolts 105?

And now they pushed issue 4?????????????

What the hell, this is the half way point and they are pushing crap slow? There better be two issues of Civil war next month, i dont want to wait until december for this story to end

[Beast]

I think we can be fairly certain, all things considered, that next week is going to be a big one in terms of issues.
Probably not. Given that Civil War #4 was moved to September 6th.

[Miss Kitty Fantastico]

Probably not. Given that Civil War #4 was moved to September 6th.
Is that right? Drat. Oh well, could be worse - a degree of elongation to the schedule won't be so bad, we've got plenty to consider and argue endlessly about as it is, and there'll still be various issues coming out. Plus, a week or two of single-figure to-buy lists at the comic shop will let me snap up the new She-Ra DVD without busting my budget...

(I'm still guessing 4 or more CW titles next week.)

[-S-Man-]

This is unbelievable...I was really counting on Civil War #4. That was gonna make my week :( . I don't know about you guys but I can't wait three weeks, I'll go bonkers.

Consolation, I just got holk of Avengers: Disassembled and I'll get House of M soon enough that will keep me going.

[gma2darescue]

All I see is Thunderbolts 105 and Civil War:X Men 2

[mattspideyrocks!]

I wouldn't trust that crap on Marvel's site. If there is one thing they can never get right, it's that damn website. It's like a big puzzle with half the pieces missing. They get dates wrong so often that it makes you dizzy. Don't pay attention to it.

[SnakeEater]

so then, what the hell? The way i see it August was supposed to be the best month for civil war and only 3 books have come out so far and next week only has 2 coming out. And this is a 74 book crossover. that seems pretty...STUPID

[chrismileslord]

Marvel.com is all messed up right now. Seriously, they just took down their entire month release for this month, so i wouldn't worry about it.

[Beast]

Marvel.com is all messed up right now. Seriously, they just took down their entire month release for this month, so i wouldn't worry about it.
Yeah, but the delay for Civil War #4 is not from there, it's from the delayed and cancelled list they ship to retailers. ;)

[Erazmus]

Don't know if this means anything to anyone, but I have Civil War #4 preordered through a distributor. He e-mailed me to tell me it was pushed back, however the date Marvel gave him was the 30th of this month (August).

*shrug*

[Gregg Helmberger]

I need my fix! MARVEL! Don't make me come over there and kick your asses, man. I know where you're headquartered!

[NormanB]

Hey guys, 52 is still shipping on schedule.

:)

But yeah, all kidding aside, you'd think they could keep to-date on their biggest "event" of the year. It's kind of a shame.

[overcomebyfumes]

Will the delay of Civil War #4 until 9/6 also delay some or all of the tie-ins?

I know that there are sometimes spoilers in the tie-in issues (how pissed were the folks that read thunderbolts before Civil War #2?), so will we be seeing spoilers in tie-in issues before #4 comes out, or will everything be delayed?

I can't help but wonder how DC can keep a WEEKLY comic event on track, but Marvel flubs the scheduling on it's monthly supreme super-ultra event for the summer. Curious.

Pax.

[Nick MB]

Will the delay of Civil War #4 until 9/6 also delay some or all of the tie-ins?

I know that there are sometimes spoilers in the tie-in issues (how pissed were the folks that read thunderbolts before Civil War #2?), so will we be seeing spoilers in tie-in issues before #4 comes out, or will everything be delayed?

I can't help but wonder how DC can keep a WEEKLY comic event on track, but Marvel flubs the scheduling on it's monthly supreme super-ultra event for the summer. Curious.

Pax.

The new shipping list shows that Amazing Spider-Man, Fantastic Four and Frontline are also delayed, so it looks like Marvel are delaying all tie-ins that might spoil issue #4, yes.

And your DC example: It should be pointed out that DC's monthly supreme super-ultra Infinite Crisis event also had scheduling problems and had to have multiple pinch-hitting artists as a result.

I am hopig that this won't happen with Civil War, as it would be horrible, but generally delays tend to lead to compounded delays, unless this is a technical colouring problem or something, so Marvel might have to step in and do something to avoid their entire event getting pulled back.

[scottv]

That would really suck if the entire event got pushed back. I am already having a hard time waiting for the new issues as it is.

[Mjolnir]

oh man are they serious? i only just found out about the delay
i was looking forward to getting cw#4 this week! argh

[dingo]

(how pissed were the folks that read thunderbolts before Civil War #2?)

The folks that read that were only the retailers who recieved advanced copies.
It wasn't spoilt to the general public per se, but of course once it is out it is out. They did a reasonable job of keeping it under wraps though.

[Mjolnir]

argh.
if i went thru every thread on this site and found every time they Tom B or Joe Q or anyone else from Marvel saying "wait and see in Civil War #4"...

i dont WANT to 'wait and see' any longer than i already have!

(cries and whines)

[Weirdopky]

I know I'm not really buying the comics, my brother is, but I read them as soon as he's done. I want to know stuff NOW, like what's up with Namor, or why the hell is Thor working for SHIELD? Seriously, this takes too long. If I don't get those comics, all I have to wait for is the next Moon Knight, which should be coming out at the end of this month, but knowing Marvel, it'll come out sometime next year. Just kiddin', but seriously, they push back comics way too often. :mad:



-Weirdopky

[mandog]

I do find this a bit irritating. I can put up with delays on The ultimates, but this is their mega book this summer. They shouldnt delay this for any reason. It fucks everything up.

[Doombot330]

Yeah this blows. I'm already losing sleep over the ending of civil war #3 and then they push back #4 so i can't find out what the hell is going on. Curse you Quesada!!!

[SnakeEater]

CW 4 is probably nothing, because we already saw the "end" result in rthe recent Amz spidermand and F4 books so personally i dont care. When are Heroes for Hire and PUnisher coming out?

[Kevinroc]

CW 4 isn't "really" delayed. The title is basically on a 5 week shipping schedule. #3 came out at the end of last month. And now #4 is coming out on the first week of next month. That's about five weeks.

[Beast]

CW 4 isn't "really" delayed. The title is basically on a 5 week shipping schedule. #3 came out at the end of last month. And now #4 is coming out on the first week of next month. That's about five weeks.
Actually it is delayed. It was scheduled for 8/16, and has been delayed to 9/6.

Civil War: Front Line #6 is also delayed until 9/6 as well.

[jonwes]

Has it really been delayed till 9/6? And all the comics connected to it have been delayed as well? That means that half the comics I buy are going to be delayed by almost a month? That sucks.

[Beast]

Has it really been delayed till 9/6? And all the comics connected to it have been delayed as well? That means that half the comics I buy are going to be delayed by almost a month? That sucks.
Yes, it was on the last 'Delayed and Cancelled' list from Diamond.

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[Elegance Liberty]

But *why* was it delayed, anyhow?

Not that I'm really into Civil War, but after the ending of #3, I'm VERY curious to see what happens next.

[Beast]

But *why* was it delayed, anyhow?

Not that I'm really into Civil War, but after the ending of #3, I'm VERY curious to see what happens next.
Who knows. Late artwork, late script, no clue. Best to ask Tom Brevoot.

[Sparda]

Heh I noticed the delays as well when I went over the local comic shop last wednesday and have even checked the website. I don't mind waiting anyway though. Are some ultimate titles still gonna be released for this month though? (Ult spidey 99 and FF?)

[jonwes]

Didn't Brevoort, in his Marvel blog, mention something about a power outage that was putting Civil War #4 behind, after they were already scrambling to get out or something.

[Beast]

Didn't Brevoort, in his Marvel blog, mention something about a power outage that was putting Civil War #4 behind, after they were already scrambling to get out or something.
A power outage that delays a book 3 weeks? Why do I find that unlikely.

[Kevinroc]

Actually it is delayed. It was scheduled for 8/16, and has been delayed to 9/6.

Civil War: Front Line #6 is also delayed until 9/6 as well.

I know it was originally solicited for 8/16.

But the series itself has been running on a 5-week release schedule, which Brevoort confirmed. I think it was very obvious to see that eventually the mini would miss a month. I know that going only by what was solicited, it was delayed. But going by how the series has actually shipped to this point, there really hasn't been a delay for the main mini.

Frontline is a different story.

[overcomebyfumes]

A power outage that delays a book 3 weeks? Why do I find that unlikely.

Oh, jeez. if their printer was in Queens, the power was out for like a week and a half. It was a BIG mess. They had the Red Cross there handing out ice and trying to cool down old people.

So, yeah. Pretty likely, actually. Figure the time lost to the actual outage, then getting everything ramped back up for production, and then all the stuff in line to be published before they get to Civil War, yeah, I can see that being a two to three week delay.

[Beast]

I know it was originally solicited for 8/16.

But the series itself has been running on a 5-week release schedule, which Brevoort confirmed. I think it was very obvious to see that eventually the mini would miss a month. I know that going only by what was solicited, it was delayed. But going by how the series has actually shipped to this point, there really hasn't been a delay for the main mini.

Frontline is a different story.
Don't buy it at all. Especially since they delayed every other book that was related to it. And even delayed Front Line, which is supposed to come out twice a month.

[Beast]

Oh, jeez. if their printer was in Queens, the power was out for like a week and a half. It was a BIG mess. They had the Red Cross there handing out ice and trying to cool down old people.

So, yeah. Pretty likely, actually. Figure the time lost to the actual outage, then getting everything ramped back up for production, and then all the stuff in line to be published before they get to Civil War, yeah, I can see that being a two to three week delay.
Funny how it only effected Civil War for the most part. Why arn't all of their books delayed or pushed back. Because it's not due to a power outage. By the way, last I heard is that they print them in Canada. ;)

[Siddon]

Well they can afford to take there time now. DC made a huge push where they sat on a dozen books for the month of May to beat Marvel. For August Marvel has Astonishing (I think) and the Annuals and DC has nothing big.

September is a new quarter and although DC may have won this quarter (it may be close) Marvel seems to be setting up the next two to be huge with the conclusions of Astonishing X-men, Ultimates: Season 2, Young Avengers Season 2, Amazing Spider-man unmasked, and Civil War as well as the 50 other titles they are launching out of the end of Civil War.

[overcomebyfumes]

Funny how it only effected Civil War for the most part. Why arn't all of their books delayed or pushed back. Because it's not due to a power outage. By the way, last I heard is that they print them in Canada. ;)

Well, so much for that theory then.

I guess there's just no good excuse.

[jonwes]

I think I was mistaken in any case. I tried to find the post but the closest thing I could find was him talking about computers being down and it hurting an already tight publishing schedule. Unless I couldn't find the post I was thinking about. Hard to find old topics on the Marvel blogs.

[steve2275]

as long as astonishing is out on time;)

[Arawn]

Diamond has different shipping dates than the Marvel website atm, I think it's a problem with Marvel and not a late book. Marvel has had problems like this many times in the past, advertising dates incorrectly.

[Pyro]

This is rather upsetting. I was also looking forward to Civil War #4. And it does seem like the waiting period between books is starting to get too long. With Astonishing X-Men, Young Avengers, Ultimates 2, and now Civil War, it seems the waiting period between some of my favorite books is just getting ridiculous. I'm seriously considering waiting for the trades and giving up singular issues. I love the singular format but it's become too frustrating to deal with. :(

And about the Marvel website, I know they usually give incorrect information, but it was always a good source for me to get a good idea of when stuff is coming out. But now, it seems really messed up. It has listed Black Panther 18 as coming out on the 16th for a long time even though it's already been out for a while.

[Will.S]

While it sucks to have CW#4 be kicked that far back (especially after the Thor revelation) but I guess I can wait as long as there's other good stuff to chew on before then like the Annihilation stuff, New Avengers, and the other CW tie-ins although I hope they don't overly spoil #4.

[Pyro]

Yeah, Civil War #4 seems like it's going to be pretty big. At least as big as all the other issues. The solicitations say, "A death! A funeral! A betrayal! And a team reborn as the war takes a deadly turn!" And this is the first one where I really don't have many ideas about what's going to happen. I wasn't spoiled for #2 or #3 but I figured it out for myself. I hope to be surprised with this issue.

[Mo S.]

Diamond has different shipping dates than the Marvel website atm, I think it's a problem with Marvel and not a late book. Marvel has had problems like this many times in the past, advertising dates incorrectly.

No, the latest Diamond Shipping Update has the same dates. Up until a few months ago, the Marvel website didn't update shipping dates with new schedules, often resulting in an entry that was weeks or months out of date. Lately they've done a much better job of it, posting the updates (admittedly without any notice) before even the Diamond Shipping Update comes out.

As far as the 5 week schedule leading inevitably to a late book - June, July and September are 4 Wednesday months and August, October and November are 5 Wednesday months, so that really shouldn't have been a problem.

Mark Millar has been having some health problems, and I know that he and Hitch work "semi old Marvel style" on Ultimates, which has made the book late in the past - perhaps if Millar's been working with McNiven in this style as well, his illness might have had something of an effect.

[spidervenom]

IT was probaly late script artwork etc like beast said lets just hope that the other civil war issues won get delayed but hey look on the bright side when civl war #4 comes out will only have to wait to weeks for the next issue:)

[Beast]

IT was probaly late script artwork etc like beast said lets just hope that the other civil war issues won get delayed but hey look on the bright side when civl war #4 comes out will only have to wait to weeks for the next issue:)
Unless they're going to push the schedule for all the other books afterwards as well. We'll have to wait and see if Civil War #5 gets delayed big time as well.

[BigBoss]

I hate delays I already had enough with them game wise.

[maraxus60]

So this week in my Marvel Mailer I get this AND I QUOTE

CIVIL WAR REVISED SCHEDULE AND CHECKLIST
RETAILERS: CIVIL WAR SHIPPING UPDATES:
Over the next few weeks, the CIVIL WAR proper title and a few of the
tie in books that are closely related to the story in the main book
will be shipping later than originally planned. In an attempt to
accommodate the creative team of Millar and McNiven and maintain the
artistic integrity and high standards of the event, we will be shifting
the following titles:

CIVIL WAR 4 (JUN061952; $2.99) moves to 9/20
CIVIL WAR 4 TURNER VARIANT (JUN061953; $2.99) moves to 9/20
CIVIL WAR 4 TURNER SKETCH VARIANT (APR068201; $2.00) moves to 9/20

WTF are they doing over there at Marvel Coating it in Liquid Gold????????
This is intolerable and they just lost my money for Civil War

It was bad enough that they moved it from this week to the end of the month BUT now to push it back another 20 days. This just screams I HATE OUR FANS on Marvels part

I cannot believe this

OH Yeah heres all of it for everyone to see

CIVIL WAR REVISED SCHEDULE AND CHECKLIST
RETAILERS: CIVIL WAR SHIPPING UPDATES:
Over the next few weeks, the CIVIL WAR proper title and a few of the
tie in books that are closely related to the story in the main book
will be shipping later than originally planned. In an attempt to
accommodate the creative team of Millar and McNiven and maintain the
artistic integrity and high standards of the event, we will be shifting
the following titles:

CIVIL WAR 4 (JUN061952; $2.99) moves to 9/20
CIVIL WAR 4 TURNER VARIANT (JUN061953; $2.99) moves to 9/20
CIVIL WAR 4 TURNER SKETCH VARIANT (APR068201; $2.00) moves to 9/20
FANTASTIC FOUR 540 (JUN061961; $2.99) moves to 9/20
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 6 (JUN061955; $2.99) moves to 9/27
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 535 (JUN061938; $2.99) moves to 9/27

CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 7 (JUL061956; $2.99) moves to 10/11

CIVIL WAR 5 (JUL061952; $2.99) moves to 11/15
CIVIL WAR 5 TURNER VARIANT (JUL061953; $2.99) moves to 11/15
CIVIL WAR 5 TURNER SKETCH VARIANT (JUL061954; $2.00) moves to 11/15
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 8 (JUL061957; $2.99) moves to 11/22
PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL 1 (JUL061988; $2.99) moves to 11/22
PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL 1(Black & White)(JUL061989; $2.99) moves to 11/22
FANTASTIC FOUR 541 (JUL061965; $2.99) moves to 11/22
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 536 (JUL061941; $2.99) moves to 11/22

CIVIL WAR 6 (AUG062033; $2.99) moves to 12/20
CIVIL WAR 6 TURNER VARIANT (AUG062034; $2.99) moves to 12/20
CIVIL WAR 6 TURNER SKETCH VARIANT (AUG062035; $2.00) moves to 12/20
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 9 (AUG062036; $2.99) moves to 12/20
PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL 2 (AUG062066; $2.99) moves to 12/28

CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 10 (AUG062037; $2.99) moves to 1/4/07
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 537 (AUG062018; $2.99) moves to 1/4/07
FANTASTIC FOUR 542 (AUG062045; $2.99) moves to 1/4/07

NOT YET SOLICITED
CIVIL WAR 7 moves to 1/17/07
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 538 moves to 1/24/07
FANTASTIC FOUR 543 moves to 1/24/07

NEW ADDITIONS TO THE CIVIL WAR CHECKLIST!
BLACK PANTHER 23 CW December 2006
CIVIL WAR: WAR CRIMES December 2006 ONE SHOT
BLACK PANTHER 24 CW January 2007
BLACK PANTHER 25 CW February 2007
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 11 February 2007

And I thought that Frontline was supposed to be 10 issues what the F is 11 doing there?????????????????

What do you think of that??????

[Armless Penguin]

So they've made the main book bimonthly for the next couple issues, which has forced almost all of the other books back as well. Well, that's kind of ridiculous.

[Elegance Liberty]

... Well that stole any thunder Planet Hulk and Annihilation were going to have in their wrap-ups.

[Capt Hunter]

Meh.... I would rather have a great product instead of a pile of crap... CW has been great so far... the add-on are fine to me... I buy most of them anyway....

[maraxus60]

Its so nice that we can all be annoyed by the fact that Joe Q says nope no problems in the scheduling of the book and 2 weeks later they say OOPS we Goofed
at WWC during the panel he was asked if there were going to be any shipping delays HE SAID NO
and now we get this
its CRAP

AND great product or no schedules should've been considered before they even solicited it in the first place
NO MATTER how good it is you can't rush it and to have this happen is crap

[stealthwise]

I'm only buying Civil War, so I guess I save money in the long run, having the book stretched out over months.

From a reading standpoint, this completely sucks though.

[Beast]

Millar's been having health problems, so it's somewhat understandable. Though the Bi-Monthly schedule change is a bit of a surprise. Glad it is only effecting a few books I buy.

[marvelboi77]

Well should it be any surprise. I asked the editor Tom when issue one came out what issue they were working on. His reply was that they were inking issue #2. So #1 was out for a few weeks and they were still working on #2. I can't belive that there main event for the summer and they did not even have 3 or 4 issues in the can.

[satchmo the dragon]

Millar's been having health problems, so it's somewhat understandable. Though the Bi-Monthly schedule change is a bit of a surprise. Glad it is only effecting a few books I buy.
The whole thing has been written, the art is the thing that takes a long time.

[Beast]

The whole thing has been written, the art is the thing that takes a long time.
No, they have the storyline plotted out. It hasn't been fully written yet.

[drwho]

After all the new posts on his thread I suspect Tom will never post a reply there again lol. Just pisses me off.:mad:

[Rich L]

I don't really have an issue with it. In the short term, I'm saving money because a lot of books are delayed so much, and while I wish that it every mini was solicited after it was completed, I'd rather wait a while to get a decent product than have a rushed sloppy one.

But that might just be me.

[Magneto Rocks]

Marvel. com hasn't been updated. is this absoloutely definite?

[Haunt]

i'd rather get a decent product on time; like back in the day. a meteor could wipe us all out next week. i need my damn comics NOW!! :mad:


Marvel. com hasn't been updated. is this absoloutely definite?


they're even late updating their site?!!! :eek:

[Edward J Cunningham]

WTF are they doing over there at Marvel Coating it in Liquid Gold????????

YOU ARE THE WINNER!!!!! :D

[algertman]

Millar's been having health problems, so it's somewhat understandable. Though the Bi-Monthly schedule change is a bit of a surprise. Glad it is only effecting a few books I buy.


sorry, but that no longer applies. He gotten past his problems for the most part and his end has "been in the can" for a while now.

of Course Joe Q. has lied his ass off in the past concering how far along people were in there titles

[Mo S.]

This is the hazard of writing tight crossover events - one title runs late and everyone else has to run late to match. I'd rather do it this way than to ship all titles as they are ready and damn the spoilers.

In a perfect world, the whole thing would have been written/drawn in advance and released on a clockwork schedule. Alas, no one can afford to sit on 90+ issues like that.

[Beast]

Marvel. com hasn't been updated. is this absoloutely definite?
Marvel.Com is notoriously bad for not always updating their relase dates. They have been doing a better job lately, but they're still pretty lax in some areas. :)

[Beast]

sorry, but that no longer applies. He gotten past his problems for the most part and his end has "been in the can" for a while now.
Well, that's not the way it's been presented over on Millarworld... even from Mark Millar's own mouth. That's why he's going to be taking a break once Ultimates and Civil War are over with.

[Magneto Rocks]

So this is definite then? Cos I'm getting nothing from the main page of this site, from newsarama, ign or anywhere. THis is absoloutely definite?

[algertman]

Well, that's not the way it's been presented over on Millarworld... even from Mark Millar's own mouth. That's why he's going to be taking a break once Ultimates and Civil War are over with.


If he's taking a break AFTER Ultimates and CW are done then the delays shouldn't be his fault. Get your apologist stories straight

[drwho]

All I have to say is he better not be writing a script for a tv show, or movie as I said in another thread I will never buy Marvel again if that is the case.

[Beast]

If he's taking a break AFTER Ultimates and CW are done then the delays shouldn't be his fault. Get your apologist stories straight
How do you reason that? He's taking a break because of his health.

[Armless Penguin]

So this is definite then? Cos I'm getting nothing from the main page of this site, from newsarama, ign or anywhere. THis is absoloutely definite?

Considering it's from the Marvel Mailer, I'd give its confirmation a big, fat yes.

[Nevets F]

So this week in my Marvel Mailer I get this AND I QUOTE

CIVIL WAR REVISED SCHEDULE AND CHECKLIST
RETAILERS: CIVIL WAR SHIPPING UPDATES:
Over the next few weeks, the CIVIL WAR proper title and a few of the
tie in books that are closely related to the story in the main book
will be shipping later than originally planned. In an attempt to
accommodate the creative team of Millar and McNiven and maintain the
artistic integrity and high standards of the event, we will be shifting
the following titles:

CIVIL WAR 4 (JUN061952; $2.99) moves to 9/20
CIVIL WAR 4 TURNER VARIANT (JUN061953; $2.99) moves to 9/20
CIVIL WAR 4 TURNER SKETCH VARIANT (APR068201; $2.00) moves to 9/20

WTF are they doing over there at Marvel Coating it in Liquid Gold????????
This is intolerable and they just lost my money for Civil War

It was bad enough that they moved it from this week to the end of the month BUT now to push it back another 20 days. This just screams I HATE OUR FANS on Marvels part

I cannot believe this

OH Yeah heres all of it for everyone to see

CIVIL WAR REVISED SCHEDULE AND CHECKLIST
RETAILERS: CIVIL WAR SHIPPING UPDATES:
Over the next few weeks, the CIVIL WAR proper title and a few of the
tie in books that are closely related to the story in the main book
will be shipping later than originally planned. In an attempt to
accommodate the creative team of Millar and McNiven and maintain the
artistic integrity and high standards of the event, we will be shifting
the following titles:

CIVIL WAR 4 (JUN061952; $2.99) moves to 9/20
CIVIL WAR 4 TURNER VARIANT (JUN061953; $2.99) moves to 9/20
CIVIL WAR 4 TURNER SKETCH VARIANT (APR068201; $2.00) moves to 9/20
FANTASTIC FOUR 540 (JUN061961; $2.99) moves to 9/20
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 6 (JUN061955; $2.99) moves to 9/27
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 535 (JUN061938; $2.99) moves to 9/27

CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 7 (JUL061956; $2.99) moves to 10/11

CIVIL WAR 5 (JUL061952; $2.99) moves to 11/15
CIVIL WAR 5 TURNER VARIANT (JUL061953; $2.99) moves to 11/15
CIVIL WAR 5 TURNER SKETCH VARIANT (JUL061954; $2.00) moves to 11/15
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 8 (JUL061957; $2.99) moves to 11/22
PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL 1 (JUL061988; $2.99) moves to 11/22
PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL 1(Black & White)(JUL061989; $2.99) moves to 11/22
FANTASTIC FOUR 541 (JUL061965; $2.99) moves to 11/22
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 536 (JUL061941; $2.99) moves to 11/22

CIVIL WAR 6 (AUG062033; $2.99) moves to 12/20
CIVIL WAR 6 TURNER VARIANT (AUG062034; $2.99) moves to 12/20
CIVIL WAR 6 TURNER SKETCH VARIANT (AUG062035; $2.00) moves to 12/20
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 9 (AUG062036; $2.99) moves to 12/20
PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL 2 (AUG062066; $2.99) moves to 12/28

CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 10 (AUG062037; $2.99) moves to 1/4/07
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 537 (AUG062018; $2.99) moves to 1/4/07
FANTASTIC FOUR 542 (AUG062045; $2.99) moves to 1/4/07

NOT YET SOLICITED
CIVIL WAR 7 moves to 1/17/07
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 538 moves to 1/24/07
FANTASTIC FOUR 543 moves to 1/24/07

NEW ADDITIONS TO THE CIVIL WAR CHECKLIST!
BLACK PANTHER 23 CW December 2006
CIVIL WAR: WAR CRIMES December 2006 ONE SHOT
BLACK PANTHER 24 CW January 2007
BLACK PANTHER 25 CW February 2007
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 11 February 2007

And I thought that Frontline was supposed to be 10 issues what the F is 11 doing there?????????????????

What do you think of that??????

Over-reacting much? Seriously, to say they hate their fans is actually quite.....well, the point is, I am sure there was a REASON for this. I amsure Marvel is not trying to make the books late, that could hurt their sales, although I am sure it won't for the most part. I think people who get this worked up need to just chill out a bit and breath.

[TheCrow13]

This is hurting my pocket more then anything. I Expected This to be over by nov/ decnow its going jan/fub+. Although comics are cheap, there $3 an issue and with over +100 issues all togather, you do the math. So far i have bought everything but Thunder bults, xfactor, and cable. I might have to cut back on anoter tie in now.....

[Haunt]

Over-reacting much? Seriously, to say they hate their fans is actually quite.....well, the point is, I am sure there was a REASON for this. I amsure Marvel is not trying to make the books late, that could hurt their sales, although I am sure it won't for the most part. I think people who get this worked up need to just chill out a bit and breath.

it'd be easier to chill if they weren't asking me to bend over and take it in the tuckus.

[Magneto Rocks]

What I don't understand is that the whole thing was worked so that most of the tie-ins finished in October. So now they'll be over long before Civil War?

I mean, if this thing will really change the whole marvel uni, then why will virtually every title be continued post-civil war before it's even over? Most of all, PLEASE someone tell me they have expanded the number of Iron man and Cap titles. It was a crime that they only had 2 and 3 respectively, if they have extended CW and not added more...

[Armless Penguin]

What I don't understand is that the whole thing was worked so that most of the tie-ins finished in October. So now they'll be over long before Civil War?

I mean, if this thing will really change the whole marvel uni, then why will virtually every title be continued post-civil war before it's even over? Most of all, PLEASE someone tell me they have expanded the number of Iron man and Cap titles. It was a crime that they only had 2 and 3 respectively, if they have extended CW and not added more...

Well, most of the spoiler-y tie-ins have been delayed as well.

[Jake V]

Ehh.

I suppose they could just have 5 different artists and 10 inkers handle each issue. And I guess they could cut corners with the coloring and make each background red over uninked pencils. That might help them meet deadlines. I suppose everyone could live with that.

[TheCrow13]

[QUOTE=Magneto Rocks]What I don't understand is that the whole thing was worked so that most of the tie-ins finished in October. So now they'll be over long before Civil War?
QUOTE]


Maybe they will be the "decimtion" of civil war

[Armless Penguin]

Ehh.

I suppose they could just have 5 different artists and 10 inkers handle each issue. And I guess they could cut corners with the coloring and make each background red over uninked pencils. That might help them meet deadlines. I suppose everyone could live with that.

How about they just meet deadlines like they're meant to be met? The point of a deadline is to have the work finished by the point, as good as it should be, not to go past it to make it good.

[Nevets F]

Ehh.

I suppose they could just have 5 different artists and 10 inkers handle each issue. And I guess they could cut corners with the coloring and make each background red over uninked pencils. That might help them meet deadlines. I suppose everyone could live with that.

Apparently that would make some people happy.

At least Marvel is letting us know now....they have the schedule adjusted so nothing comes out in the wrong order, and they are dealing with it.

Thanks Marvel!

[Haunt]

Well, most of the spoiler-y tie-ins have been delayed as well.


hell, i'd take the spoiler-y tie-ins. i love spoilers. if there's one thing better than getting my comics on time it's getting them ahead of time!

[brainfloat]

At least Marvel is letting us know now....they have the schedule adjusted so nothing comes out in the wrong order, and they are dealing with it. Thanks Marvel!

I'm with you on that Inferno. I'd rather have a well done comic, and am more than willing to wait for them to redo pages here and there when they need to. And I can still feed my need for comics by catching up on some back issues this month.

[IamtheRock3]

This is the hazard of writing tight crossover events - one title runs late and everyone else has to run late to match. I'd rather do it this way than to ship all titles as they are ready and damn the spoilers.

In a perfect world, the whole thing would have been written/drawn in advance and released on a clockwork schedule. Alas, no one can afford to sit on 90+ issues like that.


Well there always an option of just not buying the book that month

be nice to you know have the option

For me I like a good product

but no a days...there some writers (you know who you are)

Who act like you cant have a Decent product AND be on time

[MakeMineMarvel]

Meh.... I would rather have a great product instead of a pile of crap... CW has been great so far... the add-on are fine to me... I buy most of them anyway....

Exactly! I would rather have the product be the best it can possibly be instead of being rushed to the market just to make schedule. It seems in every field this is aceptable except for the comic industry. We are the biggest whiners ever. Imagine if other industries just went ahead with the schedule instead of delays for quality ie airlines, auto makers, health care providers, etc.

Hopefully the end product will show why a delay was necessary and everyone will be satisfied. As is Civil War has been an incredible read, much better than some other major events that have been produced as of late like Infinite Crisis, Spider-Man: The Other, etc. Yeah 30 years ago they could have rushed a book because it looked and read like crap in comparison to what we have today.

[IamtheRock3]

Actully other media you get compalin

See people complain about Sorpanose taking so long to come on

The six monther delay Lost going to have between shows

And 24 Delays they use to have back in the day before they had non stop with no repeate dude to putting it on in january

They even push up Prison break because people didnt want to wait that long for a cliffhanger

It be like Right before the last 3 episode of Lost

Commancer and Chief was hurt by a Delay. People complain how long the3 JLU episdoes took for Cartoon network to Air.

The writer Said "SORRY not going to be done on Time...See you when we see you"

Audience- So umm when Lost going to come back on

Produce- its done when It done

or worst let

producer- We going to have to delay Buffy for the imeidate Future and sense it in the same universe, you wont be seeing this season of Angel for a while

pretty sure they be bitching

[Jake V]

Sure people complained.

They still watched when it came on.

[Armless Penguin]

Exactly! I would rather have the product be the best it can possibly be instead of being rushed to the market just to make schedule. It seems in every field this is aceptable except for the comic industry. We are the biggest whiners ever. Imagine if other industries just went ahead with the schedule instead of delays for quality ie airlines, auto makers, health care providers, etc.

Hopefully the end product will show why a delay was necessary and everyone will be satisfied. As is Civil War has been an incredible read, much better than some other major events that have been produced as of late like Infinite Crisis, Spider-Man: The Other, etc. Yeah 30 years ago they could have rushed a book because it looked and read like crap in comparison to what we have today.

Are you kidding? Do you think if you miss a deadline for an important case in the business world your boss is just going to forgive you because you're "trying to make it better?" No. You'd be fired.

The point of a deadline is for you to make the thing the best it can be on time.

[Wind-Breaker]

Well my local comicbook store owners are gonna freak, but thank God they didn't have civil war tie-ins in all the x-books, otherwise they would be majorly screwed.

Can anyone tell me what the process of putting together a monthly comic?

From my understanding the writer writes the storyline, then writes dialoge etc. THEN the pencil draws the artwork, then the inker and color artist follow.

So from my understanding the delays are somewhat confusing considering that the writers write all the material and dialog before any artwork started, and since I'm assuming that writers write comics months ahead of time because the all the time it takes do the artwork.

Am I missing something?

[IamtheRock3]

And We still Read it when it comes out

But bitching we be had because it like Crack to us sometimes

But TV got something Comics dont have...ITS FREE.

But actully they dont ALWAYS watch. Sometime they go to other showd during the delay and lose interest.

Delays have killed some TV shows
Comics fans more loyal..then again that even out by us paying admission

To me sometime I lose interest, another comic goes along. Cant afford both so if the other comic good..I wont finish the story.

If I start a mini..like to know The last issue will come out in a realtive amount of time

And what sucky what if You dont like Cival War, but read other comics that it tied into

that screws you
And I IMAGINE. That is pisses of writers of those Ties ends when they got to push there things back when Want writer cant do it fast enough.

[Jake V]

It's a good thing making comic books isn't like the business world.

[Capt Hunter]

???? is there going to be another Marvel Crossover next year......

If there is, maybe they are trying to stretch Civil War out a little to avoid having a long delay between both....

The fallout of Planet Hulk, Annihilation and Civil War....

[Armless Penguin]

It's a good thing making comic books isn't like the business world.

Well, considering it is a business . . .

Yea, it'd be such a bad thing if comics came out on time and were high-caliber.

[Jake V]

???? is there going to be another Marvel Crossover next year......

If there is, maybe they are trying to stretch Civil War out a little to avoid having a long delay between both....

The fallout of Planet Hulk, Annihilation and Civil War....
There won't be a big Civil War-like crossover next year.

[Jake V]

Well, considering it is a business . . .

Yea, it'd be such a bad thing if comics came out on time and were high-caliber.
That would be wonderful.

It would also be wonderful if it was a perfect world. But it isn't, and shit happens sometimes.

[Armless Penguin]

That would be wonderful.

It would also be wonderful if it was a perfect world. But it isn't, and shit happens sometimes.

Agreed. I'm just saying, I can't help but be disappointed.

[Young Avenger]

sorry, but that no longer applies. He gotten past his problems for the most part and his end has "been in the can" for a while now.

of Course Joe Q. has lied his ass off in the past concering how far along people were in there titles

How is Joe Q lying? We don't know the circumstances on what caused the delay. Joe Q can't be blame if something unexpected happened that cause the book to ship late.

[Capt Hunter]

There won't be a big Civil War-like crossover next year.

thanks.... I expect to see a few smaller crossover events... X-Men Titles mostly...

[Jake V]

Agreed. I'm just saying, I can't help but be disappointed.
Well yeah, obviously. I'm disappointed too, but it's not like my life is so devoid of other things to do that Civil War #4 being late is going to effect me at all.

[curefreak]

why do we have to overreact like this?
it seems like whenever any comic book doesnt fit some fanboys exacting standards they go off on a rant and say they refuse to buy marvel/dc/indie ever again.
it seems very childish to me i can understand the frustration but if the book means that much to you then how could you drop it in the first place?

im not sure what the reason is for the delay but im sure its a good one since theyre right in the middle of a huge crossover but at least its not as bad as say all star batman and robin.

[IamtheRock3]

When I think of delays like this

Dont think they doing it cause they HATE COMIC FANS

And acknowledge it could be because they need to perfect it


But also know it could be something in the middle


maybe there Just f'ing slacking. Why bust your ass drawing a comic All night when you can hand it in a lesiure pace and realtivly not get in trouble. Do it when you want.

It called half assing it. Happens in every proffesion. Doesnt even mean your bad at your Job, just half doing it

I mean maybe they could bring a Quality book on time if they work harder...but why do so if one doesnt have to

F It. They buy it any way, your not going to get fired, you get the same amount of money anyway

To me Other comic writer in the pass manage to bring stuff ontime and and do KICK BUTT work

This is worst. Because it DELAYS...OTHER writers work who made there in on TIME. And proabally piss them off

Some person may not want to read Cival war, but read Spiderman that related to Cival War so they screwed

Think of you as a Writer

It 1:00 AM

You can be on Deadline if you stay up 2 more hours...WHY ON EARTH would one do that.

Mayne some would cause the Dedicated, And hope they are, So any delays because they abosulutly couldnt get it on time

not denying that possible

But also don't think that they aren't some writers who just slacking

[Jake V]

How is Joe Q lying? We don't know the circumstances on what caused the delay. Joe Q can't be blame if something unexpected happened that cause the book to ship late.
It could be some kind of rewrite. That's what's been going on with the last few issues of the Ultimates. The comic has been changing page counts for a while, and elements needed to ne rewritten and redrawn to accommodate the changes.

[mr_evilweed]

Well I think this was inevitable. Because Civil War was a pretty good story Marvel had to screw it up in some other way so they did this. We can't have Marvel run a perfect operation, that would raise expectation that they would rather keep low.

[Nevets F]

It could be some kind of rewrite. That's what's been going on with the last few issues of the Ultimates. The comic has been changing page counts for a while, and elements needed to ne rewritten and redrawn to accommodate the changes.

People should not jump to conclusions and say they are rewriting things, the sad truth is sometimes things just happen, and they are being upfront with it, which I find to be a breath of fresh air.

[Zombienorthstar]

Millars got a damn good reason. Leave it at that.

[Wind-Breaker]

Can someone please explain to me how delays can be caused by a writer's workload?

I mean doesn't the artists have to wait on the writers in order to start the artwork?

And don't the writers have to write ALL of the material a head of time?

I'm still confused how in general they could delay a comic because of a writer :confused:

[Mo S.]

Can someone please explain to me how delays can be caused by a writer's workload?

I mean doesn't the artists have to wait on the writers in order to start the artwork?

And don't the writers have to write ALL of the material a head of time?

I'm still confused how in general they could delay a comic because of a writer :confused:

I'm not saying that this has anything to do with the Civil War schedule, but writers and artists have different ways in which they work together. In some cases, the writer sends the artist the final script, the artist draws it to that script and off it goes for final inks, colors and lettering. On Ultimates, Millar and Hitch use a semi "Old Style Marvel" where Millar sends Hitch the script and then they go back and forth on it. Millar trusts Hitch to lay it out the way Hitch sees best. Sometimes Millar rewrites/reworks some of it based on what Hitch has done or how Hitch has reinvisioned a scene - so it's a more iterative process, and can go back and forth between them.

[Kevinroc]

Okay, now there really are some big delays. I was basing my earlier posts on the 5-week shipping schedule that earlier issues had.

[IamtheRock3]

Well yeah, obviously. I'm disappointed too, but it's not like my life is so devoid of other things to do that Civil War #4 being late is going to effect me at all.


Again I say cant bitch on a messageboard where Can

to me bitching on a messageboard is no more a waste of time, then going on a messageboard and telling people to stop bitching

[Wind-Breaker]

Does anyone think that these delays may hurt local comic book stores? Because I know that the local stores in my area pay their rent soley on the sales of Marvel titles.

[Babylon23]

CW won't suffer from these delays. When the issues finally come out, they'll still sell in big numbers.

Some of the crossovers/tie-ins might suffer, but probably not to a huge extant.

The real sufferers will probably be the comic stores.

[streator]

bummer about the delays.
i pre-order my books monthly and get them shipped together at the end of each month, so this will delay all of my books for me.

[algertman]

How do you reason that? He's taking a break because of his health.


Then he should have known better than to take the project.

[Conn Seanery]

Geez people, it's not like they delayed it for a year. Calm yourselves.

[algertman]

Geez people, it's not like they delayed it for a year. Calm yourselves.


Keep making excuses for it and they'll keep half-assing it

[Beast]

Keep making excuses for it and they'll keep half-assing it
You mean like pulling in a half dozen artist and inkers to get the book out on time?

Cause that's the only way it would really be half-assing it. ;)

[algertman]

You mean like pulling in a half dozen artist and inkers to get the book out on time?

Cause that's the only way it would really be half-assing it. ;)


It got the job done. more than I can say for MARVEL

Also, you Zombies are all the same "But, but DC..."

it's old, get a new argument

[SnakeEater]

it's just a typical thing at marvel imo. I mean the damn spiderman blackcat one took about 3 years to come out. The only reason this ticks me off is because They are adding titles to a list of books that already makes me not want to read marvel anymore. I was reading the first two issues of Civil war itself and didnt know what the hell was going on and thats because it was branching off too much. Now i went out and bought them all and thought "wow this continuity is way screwy but the story is alright. 6 and a half out of ten because without the other books Millar is only writing half the story and that sucks.

[Beast]

It got the job done. more than I can say for MARVEL

Also, you Zombies are all the same "But, but DC..."

it's old, get a new argument
Yeah, and it looks terrible. Unless there's a reason for the art to change numerous times in a book, the it's really an eyesore. And please, who's the one with the old tired argument? Check a mirror darling.

[algertman]

Yeah, and it looks terrible. Unless there's a reason for the art to change numerous times in a book, the it's really an eyesore. And please, who's the one with the old tired argument? Check a mirror darling.


I look in the mirror and see a god among insects.

Whatever helps you sleep better at night.

[Loestal]

I look in the mirror and see a god among insects.


What's your real name John?

[BigBoss]

Marvel.Com is notoriously bad for not always updating their relase dates. They have been doing a better job lately, but they're still pretty lax in some areas. :)
really I didint know that.

[Beast]

I look in the mirror and see a god among insects.

Whatever helps you sleep better at night.
Someone has a high opinion of themselves. Yet they're whining about the delay of a comic book. :p

[Predator]

Not to rain on the parade, but every time I hear about the monthly delays I'm suddenly glad that I wait for the trades 90% of the time.

[Babylon23]

Yeah, and it looks terrible. Unless there's a reason for the art to change numerous times in a book, the it's really an eyesore. And please, who's the one with the old tired argument? Check a mirror darling.

In DC's case, I think it was a bit of everything. Apparently, they had planned to have Perez and Ordway draw the pages they did. However, other pages were the result of missed deadlines and changes in the story. The multiple inkers certainly detracted from the art.

Anyway, if I like a book, I'll buy it regardless of when it arrives. However, if I'm sitting on the fence about a book (like All-Star Bataman), I'll usually drop it if it's delayed.

[algertman]

Someone has a high opinion of themselves. Yet they're whining about the delay of a comic book. :p


and yet you and many other are constantly making excuses for it.

[Beast]

and yet you and many other are constantly making excuses for it.
A wise man once said... "Don't sweat the small stuff."

[algertman]

A wise man once said... "Don't sweat the small stuff."

as far as MARVEL goes this isn't small. This is big, and someone should be hung out to dry becuase of it

[Beast]

as far as MARVEL goes this isn't small. This is big, and someone should be hung out to dry becuase of it
It's small stuff. Delays happen all the time, no sense having a fit over it.

[algertman]

It's small stuff. Delays happen all the time, no sense having a fit over it.


when your biggest even of the year hits a big delay, and crap load of titles are delayed with it aswell it's a big deal. If it wasn't this thread wouldn't be past page 3

[Young Avenger]

It got the job done. more than I can say for MARVEL

Also, you Zombies are all the same "But, but DC..."

it's old, get a new argument

As oppose to yourself who consistly keep blaming people who ain't at fault.

when your biggest even of the year hits a big delay, and crap load of titles are delayed with it aswell it's a big deal. If it wasn't this thread wouldn't be past page 3

It's only a big deal if you make it out of be. The world isn't going to end that a 22-paged comic has been delayed. Spend your $2.99 on something else for that month.

[Conn Seanery]

as far as MARVEL goes this isn't small. This is big, and someone should be hung out to dry becuase of it
You have such a low opinion of Marvel anyway, why do you even care?

And i'm not making excuses. I just don't lose control of my bowels if a comic I read gets delayed a month.

[Beast]

You have such a low opinion of Marvel anyway, why do you even care?

And i'm not making excuses. I just don't lose control of my bowels if a comic I read gets delayed a month.
Heh! Well said. Yes delays can be annoying. But until it gets as bad as 'Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk' or 'Spider-Man/Black Cat: The Evil that Men Do', I don't think it's worth having an embalism over. :)

[miraclemet]

At my local shop We had 2:1 odds that 52 would miss an issue before Civil War... guess we were wrong

[Nick Kal]

52 isn't going to miss an issue. CW delays come as no surprise based on Quesada's record with these sorts of things.

[NickThompson]

52 wont be delayed, because if worst comes to worst you'll get 32 pencillers, 32 inkers and 32 colourists on a 32 page book :)

[Beast]

52 wont be delayed, because if worst comes to worst you'll get 32 pencillers, 32 inkers and 32 colourists on a 32 page book :)
Exactly. Not to mention the number of writers on the book as well.

[Nick Kal]

Hey, it's still on time... which is more than can be said for the entire Civil War line... haha... and probably the 8 - 10 new tie-ins added to the already enormous amount that exists... what is it, 95?

[Doombot330]

This is terrible, I guess I can handle Civil War getting pushed back if its worth it, but the fact that there are going to be no spidey, or fantastic four issues this month greatly dissapoints me. Its almost enough to make me read ultimate Spider-man, almost...

[Beast]

Hey, it's still on time... which is more than can be said for the entire Civil War line... haha... and probably the 8 - 10 new tie-ins added to the already enormous amount that exists... what is it, 95?
So what? Being on time is easy if you have 10-15 people working on an issue. And it's likely only Civil War that's delayed, but they have to push the interconnected books as well, since they don't want to spoil the main story.

[Haunt]

It's small stuff. Delays happen all the time, no sense having a fit over it.

taken from another site

Heres what Paul O'Brien has to say:

Quote:
We’re not just talking about a six week delay - at this rate, the end of the series is going to slip by a whole quarter. And I don’t for a second believe that issue #6 will ship when Marvel are claiming; history shows that when a major Marvel title starts slipping, it keeps slipping. The first set of dates never turns out to be right.

Now, aside from the fact that they’ve had to reschedule fourteen other top-selling comics, a delay in finishing CIVIL WAR screws up the 2007 publishing plan. Until CIVIL WAR finishes, they can’t launch THOR. They can’t launch MIGHTY AVENGERS. They can’t launch any of the other post-CW projects they’ve been hinting at.

The point is, this is NOT just another late book. It’s not just ULTIMATES shipping late again. This is a big chunk of the 2007 schedule going out the window. It’s going to put a dent in the bank balance.

If I was working on this book, and I was potentially to blame for it being late… well, I’d be worried.

that's not small stuff.

So what? Being on time is easy if you have 10-15 people working on an issue. And it's likely only Civil War that's delayed, but they have to push the interconnected books as well, since they don't want to spoil the main story.

by that point, i won't even care about Civil War. they might as well put the interconnected books out on time.

[Nick Kal]

So what? Being on time is easy if you have 10-15 people working on an issue. And it's likely only Civil War that's delayed, but they have to push the interconnected books as well, since they don't want to spoil the main story.

Well it isn't to hard to distinguish the intelligence and commitment involved when DC puts a handful of people together to put a weekly series out vs. Marvel leaving it's major event in the hands of someone who's known to be slow and then forcing their whole line to get pushed back.

[Nick Kal]

taken from another site

Heres what Paul O'Brien has to say:

Quote:
We’re not just talking about a six week delay - at this rate, the end of the series is going to slip by a whole quarter. And I don’t for a second believe that issue #6 will ship when Marvel are claiming; history shows that when a major Marvel title starts slipping, it keeps slipping. The first set of dates never turns out to be right.

Now, aside from the fact that they’ve had to reschedule fourteen other top-selling comics, a delay in finishing CIVIL WAR screws up the 2007 publishing plan. Until CIVIL WAR finishes, they can’t launch THOR. They can’t launch MIGHTY AVENGERS. They can’t launch any of the other post-CW projects they’ve been hinting at.

The point is, this is NOT just another late book. It’s not just ULTIMATES shipping late again. This is a big chunk of the 2007 schedule going out the window. It’s going to put a dent in the bank balance.

If I was working on this book, and I was potentially to blame for it being late… well, I’d be worried.

that's not small stuff.



by that point, i won't even care about Civil War. they might as well put the interconnected books out on time.

Very good points.

[Beast]

Well it isn't to hard to distinguish the intelligence and commitment involved when DC puts a handful of people together to put a weekly series out vs. Marvel leaving it's major event in the hands of someone who's known to be slow and then forcing their whole line to get pushed back.
Yeah, and DC delays stuff all the time. Just as much as Marvel.

[NickThompson]

Very good points.
It's working off a lot of hypotheticals though.

[Nick Kal]

Yeah, and DC delays stuff all the time. Just as much as Marvel.

Not nearly as much as Marvel... If you pull out a comparison that makes DC look nearly as bad as Marvel then I will submit... but you can't. Also, I don't see you arguing how 2007's schedule is screwed now...

[Nick Kal]

It's working off a lot of hypotheticals though.

Not really... With the event's concluson pushed back to January of next year... the launches afterwards are delayed and that creates a problem... unless they're going to double ship a bunch of titles per month.

[IamtheRock3]

In fariness

DC did have a few latness on the last crisis

not much but a few


Although BOTH companies normaly avoid latness on BIG EVENTS, due to again, it being connected to other titles.

52 surprsinly looking like it wont be late

One example of how latness can mess stuff up
Latness of supergirl, although he had a valid excuse..I use this as an example anyway just to show how being late in an event can mess things up

A lot of things in crisis, and Superman books refered to some issues in Supergirl. The refered expecting Supergirl to be already out

that mess with the flow of the story


Also Seven solider ending was spoiled to It being late. We know who lives, and have a good guess who dies

not the fault of Infinity Crisis, because Seven soliders were suspose to be out before that.

[Cayman]

Not really... With the event's concluson pushed back to January of next year... the launches afterwards are delayed and that creates a problem... unless they're going to double ship a bunch of titles per month.

Eh, no reason why it should delay any of them by more than a week or two. We don't know the date they were launching yet.

Cay

[Doombot330]

It’s going to put a dent in the bank balance.



Not really. 2007 is a Spider-man movie year, the money from the film and marketing far outweighs the money Marvel makes off their comics. Plus No matter what most of us are still going to pick up Civil War and the Post CW titles.

Also according to the story posted on the CBR homepagete their is going to be a Frontline #11. I mean if there is one good thing to come out of all this that is it. Frontline is fastly becoming my favorite title right now.

[Kevinroc]

Not nearly as much as Marvel... If you pull out a comparison that makes DC look nearly as bad as Marvel then I will submit... but you can't. Also, I don't see you arguing how 2007's schedule is screwed now...

So what's the answer? Getting a bunch of artists to rush through the project and thus some pages look really horrible. I like Jerry Ordway but his Infinite Crisis pages looked terrible.

And you can't argue that Infinite Crisis, which was late, didn't also end up being horribly rushed. Why do you think DC is getting artists to redraw (and I think even re-color) pages for the hardcover? Because the project was rushed.

Yes, when a big project like Civil War is late, it's bad for the entire publishing line. But I can respect Marvel's decision to keep the story as "pure" to the original creators as possible.

[Capt Hunter]

My only complaint about the Delays is not having everything complete before going forward. Issues 1 thru 7 should of been complete before even walking out of the gate...

[Carlton Donaghe]

Forget the readers-- they're Marvel Zombies: They'll take whatever Marvel gives them and be happy. What I want to know is what will Marvel to do make up for this to the retailers. Not all retailers are big enough to take this hit. Some retailers depend on the sales of these books to make their necessary monthly bottom line.

Mr. Quesada, what will Marvel do for retailers to make up for this VERY UNPROFESSIONAL event?

Also, at Millarworld, they are excusing this as being due to Mark's health problems. Mark is so sick that he can't meet his obligations.

Well, square this, then, with information posted on Rich Johnston's "Lying in the Gutters" column posted on August 14:

"Last week, Mark Millar descended upon the sleepy British town of Bath. Home to publishers of SFX, Future Publishing, for whom who Mark writes a column. He opened an invite to members of the Millarworld website who descended from all corners of the British Isles and beyond, to drink, chat and take photos of each other wearing Mr T sweaters and viking helmets."

So, Mark Millar is so sick he can't meet his obligations, causing major problems in Marvel's publishing schedule. Causing problems for retailers across the country. But he can go out drinking with friends.

Not good policy.

I'd really like to hear Mr. Quesada address these issues squarely.

[Cayman]

Forget the readers-- they're Marvel Zombies: They'll take whatever Marvel gives them and be happy. What I want to know is what will Marvel to do make up for this to the retailers. Not all retailers are big enough to take this hit. Some retailers depend on the sales of these books to make their necessary monthly bottom line.

Mr. Quesada, what will Marvel do for retailers to make up for this VERY UNPROFESSIONAL event?

Also, at Millarworld, they are excusing this as being due to Mark's health problems. Mark is so sick that he can't meet his obligations.

Well, square this, then, with information posted on Rich Johnston's "Lying in the Gutters" column posted on August 14:

"Last week, Mark Millar descended upon the sleepy British town of Bath. Home to publishers of SFX, Future Publishing, for whom who Mark writes a column. He opened an invite to members of the Millarworld website who descended from all corners of the British Isles and beyond, to drink, chat and take photos of each other wearing Mr T sweaters and viking helmets."

So, Mark Millar is so sick he can't meet his obligations, causing major problems in Marvel's publishing schedule. Causing problems for retailers across the country. But he can go out drinking with friends.

Not good policy.

I'd really like to hear Mr. Quesada address these issues squarely.

Marvel gave the retailers the event in the first place.

Any retailer that goes out of business because Civil War is a month late deserves to go out of business.

Cay

[Nick Kal]

So what's the answer? Getting a bunch of artists to rush through the project and thus some pages look really horrible. I like Jerry Ordway but his Infinite Crisis pages looked terrible.

And you can't argue that Infinite Crisis, which was late, didn't also end up being horribly rushed. Why do you think DC is getting artists to redraw (and I think even re-color) pages for the hardcover? Because the project was rushed.

Yes, when a big project like Civil War is late, it's bad for the entire publishing line. But I can respect Marvel's decision to keep the story as "pure" to the original creators as possible.

Crisis wasn't rushed... the recoloring and such is being done for the Hardcover because the original work they do agree could use touch ups. I don't see how that compares to this line wide delay...

[Beast]

Marvel gave the retailers the event in the first place.

Any retailer that goes out of business because Civil War is a month late deserves to go out of business.

Cay
Amen. Obviously they're ordering too many crap books that don't sell... if they're having financial problems that a few late books mean they have to close. Especially when there's hundreds of books still hitting on schedule.

[Beast]

Crisis wasn't rushed... the recoloring and such is being done for the Hardcover because the original work they do agree could use touch ups. I don't see how that compares to this line wide delay...
Then it was rushed, because it does need touch-ups. Why do touch ups otherwise?

[Nick Kal]

Marvel gave the retailers the event in the first place.

Any retailer that goes out of business because Civil War is a month late deserves to go out of business.

Cay

You must not know a whole lot about retail.

[Nick Kal]

Then it was rushed, because it does need touch-ups. Why do touch ups otherwise?

Oh I don't know... why is Absolute Sandman doing touch ups on all those works?

[Beast]

Oh I don't know... why is Absolute Sandman doing touch ups on all those works?
Because the art was shoddy?

[Cayman]

Crisis wasn't rushed... the recoloring and such is being done for the Hardcover because the original work they do agree could use touch ups. I don't see how that compares to this line wide delay...

You don't see a splash page that was left half-inked and the unfinished area just covered in red to disguise it as rushed?

Exactly how blinkered are you?

Cay

[Nick Kal]

Amen. Obviously they're ordering too many crap books that don't sell... if they're having financial problems that a few late books mean they have to close. Especially when there's hundreds of books still hitting on schedule.

That's not how it works.

And in Cayman's logistics, if there were no retailers then Marvel would have nowhere to sell their comics...

[TCJohnson]

Marvel gave the retailers the event in the first place.

Any retailer that goes out of business because Civil War is a month late deserves to go out of business.

Cay


That isnot exactly true. The retailers have already paid for Civil War #4 as well as Spiderman or Fantastic Four. Now they are going to have to wait for returns on those investments. Since these are high selling comics, they probably paid a lot for them. And a lot of comic retailers have a very thing profit margin to begin with.

That being said....so, how are you all enjoying Seven Soldiers #1?

[Kevinroc]

Crisis wasn't rushed... the recoloring and such is being done for the Hardcover because the original work they do agree could use touch ups. I don't see how that compares to this line wide delay...

Crisis wasn't rushed?

Wow...

That is a horribly bad fanboy claim. In the same post, you say that the original work could use "touch ups." Why do you think the art could use these "touch ups" when an unrushed project wouldn't need them? You are clearly in denial if you think the art in Infinite Crisis was not rushed but agree that it needed to be "touched up" for the hardcover.

You didn't hear about the art to Identity Crisis or House of M needing these "touch ups" when their respective collections were being released.

[Cayman]

That's not how it works.

And in Cayman's logistics, if there were no retailers then Marvel would have nowhere to sell their comics...

Luckily there will still be retailers after Civil War finishes, despite all the sky is falling talk around here.

Cay

[Nick Kal]

You don't see a splash page that was left half-inked and the unfinished area just covered in red to disguise it as rushed?

Exactly how blinkered are you?

Cay

Honestly, I don't see anything terribly wrong with it. It's no worse than Marvel's half a covers for Civil War... which is what this thread is about.

[Kevinroc]

That isnot exactly true. The retailers have already paid for Civil War #4 as well as Spiderman or Fantastic Four. Now they are going to have to wait for returns on those investments. Since these are high selling comics, they probably paid a lot for them. And a lot of comic retailers have a very thing profit margin to begin with.

That being said....so, how are you all enjoying Seven Soldiers #1?

Don't forget All-Star Batman & Robin.

[Nick Kal]

Crisis wasn't rushed?

Wow...

That is a horribly bad fanboy claim. In the same post, you say that the original work could use "touch ups." Why do you think the art could use these "touch ups" when an unrushed project wouldn't need them? You are clearly in denial if you think the art in Infinite Crisis was not rushed but agree that it needed to be "touched up" for the hardcover.

You didn't hear about the art to Identity Crisis or House of M needing these "touch ups" when their respective collections were being released.

I'd say Rob Leifeld and Michael Turner's works all need touch ups too... doesn't mean they're rushed out.

[Kevinroc]

Honestly, I don't see anything terribly wrong with it. It's no worse than Marvel's half a covers for Civil War... which is what this thread is about.

So there's no difference to you between a stylistic choice and a horribly rushed art job?

[Nick Kal]

Luckily there will still be retailers after Civil War finishes, despite all the sky is falling talk around here.

Cay

That isnot exactly true. The retailers have already paid for Civil War #4 as well as Spiderman or Fantastic Four. Now they are going to have to wait for returns on those investments. Since these are high selling comics, they probably paid a lot for them. And a lot of comic retailers have a very thing profit margin to begin with.

That being said....so, how are you all enjoying Seven Soldiers #1?

Thank you TCJohnson.

[Nick Kal]

So there's no difference to you between a stylistic choice and a horribly rushed art job?

How about a lazy choice... vs. a decent splash page?

[Brian Cronin]

Retailers do not actually pay for comics until they have shipped to them.

-Brian

[Kevinroc]

I'd say Rob Leifeld and Michael Turner's works all need touch ups too... doesn't mean they're rushed out.

I'm not a big fan of either of their work but when they do projects, the company (when reprinting their work) doesn't "touch up" the art. They do the best that they can do. Just because you or I are not fans doesn't mean that the company that hired them are so dissatisfied with their work to the point that they say "we need to fix this art for the collection."

So no, it's not like Infinite Crisis.

[Kevinroc]

How about a lazy choice... vs. a decent splash page?

If those splash pages were actually decent...

[Cayman]

How about a lazy choice... vs. a decent splash page?

I'm sure it would've been a decent splash page had it been completed.

Cay

[Beast]

Honestly, I don't see anything terribly wrong with it. It's no worse than Marvel's half a covers for Civil War... which is what this thread is about.
The half a page covers were meant to look like that. It's called the trade dress. Were those shoddy ass pages in Infinite Crisis supposed to look like that?

[TCJohnson]

Retailers do not actually pay for comics until they have shipped to them.

-Brian


Really? You would probably know better than I, but I just finished reading a rant by a guy on another board about how he has already paid for them.

[Beast]

Retailers do not actually pay for comics until they have shipped to them.

-Brian
I love you Brian, thank you very much as always! :D

[Beast]

Really? You would probably know better than I, but I just finished reading a rant by a guy on another board about how he has already paid for them.
He's probably the same type of people who call Joe Quesada the Anti-Christ. ;)

[Brian Cronin]

In any event, why are you folks just talking around the issue?

It just seems weird. Especially when you don't even seem to be arguing different points of FACT, just your reactions to said facts.

Fact #1 - Infinite Crisis #7 was late, so some things were done in a hurry to get it out as close to on-time as possible.

Opinion #1 - That is a bad thing.

Opinion #2 - That is not a bad thing.

Argue the two opinion statements, don't waste your time arguing the fact.

-Brian

[Nick Kal]

The half a page covers were meant to look like that. It's called the trade dress. Did those shoddy pages in Infinite Crisis supposed to look like that?

How would you know? You don't even read DC... right? Just like to see your post count go up? Or is it you're just defending Marvel's terrible scheduling problems for the sake of it?

[Nick Kal]

In any event, why are you folks just talking around the issue?

It just seems weird. Especially when you don't even seem to be arguing different points of FACT, just your reactions to said facts.

Fact #1 - Infinite Crisis #7 was late, so some things were done in a hurry to get it out as close to on-time as possible.

Opinion #1 - That is a bad thing.

Opinion #2 - That is not a bad thing.

Argue the two opinion statements, don't waste your time arguing the fact.

-Brian

I don't see how a delay automatically means that they rush that comic? They already missed the deadline..

[Brian Cronin]

Really? You would probably know better than I, but I just finished reading a rant by a guy on another board about how he has already paid for them.

The concern of retailers is that they HAVE allocated a certain amount of money for that month for Civil War #4. If the retailer knew it was not going to ship, s/he could have spent that money elsewhere. This is especially the case for smaller stores, who really have to go over their spending with a fine-tooth comb (I have a retailer friend who is VERY deliberate with his orders, because he is such a small store).

So that is how this affects how their money is spent.

But no, they don't actually have to literally give any money until the product has shipped.

-Brian

[Beast]

How would you know? You don't even read DC... right? Just like to see your post count go up? Or is it you're just defending Marvel's terrible scheduling problems for the sake of it?
So, just because I don't read DC doesn't mean I don't follow the news about their books. And I've seen scans of the shoddy page, so I have a right to offer an opinion on them. As for your jab at me, I don't give a flying crap about my post count. I'm discussing the issues at hand.

[Kevinroc]

I don't see how a delay automatically means that they rush that comic? They already missed the deadline..

You're still trying to get the comic out as soon as possible, even if you miss the deadline.

Look at Morrison's New X-Men for example. Igor Kordey had to rush issues of New X-Men out, even though they had already missed the deadline.

[Brian Cronin]

I don't see how a delay automatically means that they rush that comic? They already missed the deadline..

The comic was solicited as being drawn by one artist (Jiminez). When it was released, it was drawn by four artists, with a bunch of different inkers.

It also shipped about two weeks late.

Those two facts are fairly straightforward evidence that, because the book was late, they had to go get other artists to help out in a pinch.

Perhaps Jiminez was not rushed, but the artists who had to help put at the last minute certainly were, and the product as a whole was.

-Brian

[Nick Kal]

So, just because I don't read DC doesn't mean I don't follow the news about their books. And I've seen scans of the shoddy page, so I have a right to offer an opinion on them. As for your jab at me, I don't give a flying crap about my post count. I'm discussing the issues at hand.

Seems like you're just throwing in your opinion on a book that you've never actually looked at in person... scans, whoopee!

[TCJohnson]

Both companies are just as bad. For every marvel example you can come up with I can come up with a DC one and vice versa.

Personally, this is art they are making, not an automobile. Sometimes you just can't rush art.

[Nick Kal]

The comic was solicited as being drawn by one artist (Jiminez). When it was released, it was drawn by four artists, with a bunch of different inkers.

It also shipped about two weeks late.

Those two facts are fairly straightforward evidence that, because the book was late, they had to go get other artists to help out in a pinch.

Perhaps Jiminez was not rushed, but the artists who had to help put at the last minute certainly were, and the product as a whole was.

-Brian

I guess that makes sense. The pages don't look terrible, though... I guess I'd prefer to talk about Civil War in this thread, though, now... we know it won't be rushed like Infinite Crisis was... since it'll be months late.

[Pyro]

Personally, this is art they are making, not an automobile. Sometimes you just can't rush art.
Too true. It sucks having to wait so long for more Civil War (I am loving it so far!) but if it results in a better story, then I can't complain.

[Nick Kal]

Too true. It sucks having to wait so long for more Civil War (I am loving it so far!) but if it results in a better story, then I can't complain.

It won't be better... it'll be the same, just late.

[Kevinroc]

I guess that makes sense. The pages don't look terrible, though... I guess I'd prefer to talk about Civil War in this thread, though, now... we know it won't be rushed like Infinite Crisis was... since it'll be months late.

The question remains as to which you prefer. A comic with rushed art that is slightly delayed or a comic with the original creative team that features a longer delay?

[Kevinroc]

It won't be better... it'll be the same, just late.

And no rushed art. There will be a consistincy to the art throughout the entire mini.

[Nick Kal]

The question remains as to which you prefer. A comic with rushed art that is slightly delayed or a comic with the original creative team that features a longer delay?

A comic with rushed art. I'm more of a story man personally.

[Capt Hunter]

Meh... Its giving the consumer more time to find all 100+ issues.... I actually created an excell Checklist awhile ago to keep it all straight.... I tried to put the release date... but i immediately deleted it... I would be spending all my time updating the dates... ;)

[Nick Kal]

And no rushed art. There will be a consistincy to the art throughout the entire mini.

If you think so... but that remains to be seen considering the whole mini has not come out yet.

[Brian Cronin]

I guess that makes sense. The pages don't look terrible, though... I guess I'd prefer to talk about Civil War in this thread, though, now... we know it won't be rushed like Infinite Crisis was... since it'll be months late.

But Infinite Crisis #7 fits here because it's an example of the defining point of this whole thread....is it better to have the creative team take their time and have the book be late, or is it better to have the creative team rush (or have fill-in creators) and have the book be on time (or as close to on time as possible)?

What is the better option?

You seem to prefer the "coming out on time" option, while others seem to prefer the "take their time and be late" option.

-Brian

[Nick Kal]

But Infinite Crisis #7 fits here because it's an example of the defining point of this whole thread....is it better to have the creative team take their time and have the book be late, or is it better to have the creative team rush (or have fill-in creators) and have the book be on time (or as close to on time as possible)?

What is the better option?

You seem to prefer the "coming out on time" option, while others seem to prefer the "take their time and be late" option.

-Brian

Yeah, sure. However, Civil War has plenty of time to become a mess...if it isn't already.

[Kevinroc]

If you think so... but that remains to be seen considering the whole mini has not come out yet.

One of the reasons for the delay is so that the art is not rushed. So I am expecting the art in future CW issues to be as good as it has been up to this point.

[Pyro]

Well, I assume the reason that it will be late will be because the creative team had some adjustments they wanted to make, or needed more time to produce a better product than they would have if they rushed to make the deadline. True, we won't know how much "better" it might turn out to be, but obviously the issue will have had more work put into it.

[Beast]

A comic with rushed art. I'm more of a story man personally.
So am I, doesn't mean I want to see the art change every other page. It's an eyesore.

[Nick Kal]

One of the reasons for the delay is so that the art is not rushed. So I am expecting the art in future CW issues to be as good as it has been up to this point.

Where did you read that? I thought it was Millar's... health issue.

[Kevinroc]

Yeah, sure. However, Civil War has plenty of time to become a mess...if it isn't already.

Are you not a Steve McNiven fan? I find the man to be a very talented artist and these delays will mean he has time to give the art as much polish as needed.

Remember his Sentry arc of New Avengers. It had delays too but the art did not suffer as a result of the delays. The art on New Avengers throughout his arc was very good.

[Nick Kal]

So am I, doesn't mean I want to see the art change every other page. It's an eyesore.

I didn't notice many changes... and you didn't even see the art change because you didn't read it...

[Nick Kal]

Are you not a Steve McNiven fan? I find the man to be a very talented artist and these delays will mean he has time to give the art as much polish as needed.

Remember his Sentry arc of New Avengers. It had delays too but the art did not suffer as a result of the delays. The art on New Avengers throughout his arc was very good.

His covers haven't been anything to scream over... and his art has been very good... but you never know what could happen... I never would have thought they'd push the company's line back so much...

[Kevinroc]

Where did you read that? I thought it was Millar's... health issue.

Millar's health issues are certainly a concern. But up to this point, the discussion has centered around the actual art of the story and not on the writing side of things. So you're kinda shifting the discussion to something else here.

[Kevinroc]

I didn't notice many changes... and you didn't even see the art change because you didn't read it...

You didn't notice any changes? I certainly did. As an example, Jerry Ordway's pencils looked horrible (and I am an Ordway fan).

[Pyro]

I prefer that a creative team takes their time to put out a good product rather than rushing and cutting corners.

[Kevinroc]

His covers haven't been anything to scream over... and his art has been very good... but you never know what could happen... I never would have thought they'd push the company's line back so much...

Going by the stylistic choice for the covers, I think McNiven's covers have been good.

And barring something unforseen such as McNiven losing an arm, I wouldn't expect the interior art to suddenly suffer greatly. Especially since the delay should allow him more time to polish his art.

[Nick Kal]

Millar's health issues are certainly a concern. But up to this point, the discussion has centered around the actual art of the story and not on the writing side of things. So you're kinda shifting the discussion to something else here.

Well how do we know what it is either way...? Where has Marvel stated it was art or writing... I thought I read the writing was the cause of the delay.

[methanolcereal]

I just hope it's not Millar's health that's pushing the book back.

If so, I hope for a speedy recovery Mark. Good luck.

[Nick Kal]

I just hope it's not Millar's health that's pushing the book back.

If so, I hope for a speedy recovery Mark. Good luck.

He can't be that bad if he's drinking at pubs...

[TCJohnson]

Well how do we know what it is either way...? Where has Marvel stated it was art or writing... I thought I read the writing was the cause of the delay.


All that has been said is that the book is being delayed to give Millar and McNiven time to finish the project. Everything else is speculation.

[Pyro]

I have noticed that the covers are changing from the painterly style that has been done so far, to a style more like the interiors of the book starting with the next issue. Perhaps they'll use the extra time to re-color them, though. I'd appreciate the consistency.

[Young Avenger]

Yeah, sure. However, Civil War has plenty of time to become a mess...if it isn't already.

The story of Civil War has been more consist than that of Infinite Crisis. The timeline of CW is easier to follow, the tie-in issues were tight and the schduling (up until now) have been perfect. That's more than I can say for the mess that was infinite Crisis. I mean, The story that was running on Batman that had Jason as Red Hood was suppose to take place before IC #1 yet in Batman #649 both Bruce and Jason witnessed Bludhaven being bombed which happened in IC #4. Talk about the timeline being thrown out of the loop. There's also the plotholes from the Villains United Special.

[Beast]

All that has been said is that the book is being delayed to give Millar and McNiven time to finish the project. Everything else is speculation.
But we do know that Mark Millar has been suffering from Crohn's disease, and has taken and planning to take a break once Ultimates and Civil War are finished. So it's likely a combination of both Millar's health and McNiven's time, given Millar has to get the scripts turned into McNiven before the book can be penciled.

[Pyro]

I can't believe this thread has grown about 2 pages or more within a few minutes.

[TCJohnson]

But we do know that Mark Millar has been suffering from Crohn's disease, and has taken and planning to take a break once Ultimates and Civil War are finished. So it's likely a combination of both Millar's health and McNiven's time, given Millar has to get the scripts turned into McNiven before the book can be penciled.


I am not going to speculate about a man's health. If he is sick I wish him to get well soon but I really do have to wonder if this is really the best way to recover:

http://images.comicbookresources.com/litg/millar.jpg

[Nick Kal]

The story of Civil War has been more consist than that of Infinite Crisis. The timeline of CW is easier to follow, the tie-in issues were tight and the schduling (up until now) have been perfect. That's more than I can say for the mess that was infinite Crisis. I mean, The story that was running on Batman that had Jason as Red Hood was suppose to take place before IC #1 yet in Batman #649 both Bruce and Jason witnessed Bludhaven being bombed which happened in IC #4. Talk about the timeline being thrown out of the loop. There's also the plotholes from the Villains United Special.

How was it supposed to take place before #1? What plot holes?

Also, Civil War and IC's timelines are equally confusing in my opinion... and that is it isn't very confusing at all.

[Beast]

I am not going to speculate about a man's health. If he is sick I wish him to get well soon but I really do have to wonder if this is really the best way to recover:

http://images.comicbookresources.com/litg/millar.jpg
Nothing wrong with a good party. He's clearly celebrating the return of Thor. ;) :D

[Kevinroc]

I am not going to speculate about a man's health. If he is sick I wish him to get well soon but I really do have to wonder if this is really the best way to recover:

http://images.comicbookresources.com/litg/millar.jpg

I have a tumor and am recovering and I enjoy a good drink every once in awhile.

[Cayman]

Don't dismiss the healing power of the plastic Viking hat.

Cay

[Nick Kal]

I have a tumor and am recovering and I enjoy a good drink every once in awhile.

You still have the tumor? Cause my best friends mother has cancer and is going through chemo and I couldn't see her going out to drink. Of course I don't know how Crohn's disease affects someone or how bad it is... maybe it's bad enough to keep you from your work but not so bad so that you can go out and drink?

[TimGunn]

that's mean y'all picking on Mark Millar. Just b/c he's sick he can't have a life outside of work?

But anyways, I'm f'n pissed about the delays. Since I was already WAITING for the trade, now I have to WAIT probably 9 months now! Argh. It will probably come out right in the middle of exams.

[Kevinroc]

You still have the tumor? Cause my best friends mother has cancer and is going through chemo and I couldn't see her going out to drink. Of course I don't know how Crohn's disease affects someone or how bad it is... maybe it's bad enough to keep you from your work but not so bad so that you can go out and drink?

Taking this a bit off-topic but I'm seeing the doctor soon.

And I drink very rarely. And I have yet to drink to the point of getting drunk in recent history.

So yes, I can understand a bit about what Millar is going through and that everybody needs a break every now and then.

[TCJohnson]

that's mean y'all picking on Mark Millar. Just b/c he's sick he can't have a life outside of work?


I am not picking on the man at all! A lot of people have been speculating that it is because of his illness that is causing the delays. But that is speculations...and I am just pointing out that he seems well enough to go out to conventions so that might not be the reason.

Just providing a counter point to the speculation.

[Nick Kal]

I like Mark Millar. Just don't understand this whole delay thing.

[DanDeRuff]

I wouldn't call myself an expert on Crohn's Disease nor do I know exactly the type or severity of Mark Millar's symtoms, but there's a pretty decent chance that he's a ****ing moron.

http://www.crohnsresource.com/healthy/alcohol.jsp

[Nick Kal]

Also, it seems like it's at his forum that they are citing the reason for the delays as him being ill...

[Cayman]

They are speculating. Millar hasn't said anything there yet.

But we know he has been ill.

Cay

[Nick MB]

I thought I saw Millar post an update saying he was working on CW #7... He's even not started on the script for Ultimates #13 yet to make sure he gets Civil War done in a timely fashion.

So, I'm guessing this delay is primarily McNiven.

[curefreak]

The story of Civil War has been more consist than that of Infinite Crisis. The timeline of CW is easier to follow, the tie-in issues were tight and the schduling (up until now) have been perfect. That's more than I can say for the mess that was infinite Crisis. I mean, The story that was running on Batman that had Jason as Red Hood was suppose to take place before IC #1 yet in Batman #649 both Bruce and Jason witnessed Bludhaven being bombed which happened in IC #4. Talk about the timeline being thrown out of the loop. There's also the plotholes from the Villains United Special.
civil war has had some timeline problems too it is sort of frustrating and confusing but i imagine its very hard to keep everything published in order.

[Nick MB]

News just in: Millar speaks on delays. And, as I said a few posts up, it sounds like it's pretty much entirely art-based.

http://forums.millarworld.tv/index.php?showtopic=63071&pid=1409222&st=0&#entry1409222

[Young Avenger]

civil war has had some timeline problems too it is sort of frustrating and confusing but i imagine its very hard to keep everything published in order.

Name these timeline problems.

[curefreak]

Name these timeline problems.
the whole unmasking thing with spidey between his book and civil war.

[Kevinroc]

the whole unmasking thing with spidey between his book and civil war.

Do you mean the issue of Amazing Spider-Man? Or the "Spider-Man Unmasked" tie-in issues of Spectacular and FN?

Because I didn't notice any timeline problem with Amazing and CW #2.

[curefreak]

Do you mean the issue of Amazing Spider-Man? Or the "Spider-Man Unmasked" tie-in issues of Spectacular and FN?

Because I didn't notice any timeline problem with Amazing and CW #2.
maybe its just me then, i had enough trouble keeping track of whats going on in civil war so i just decided to stick to the main books for now.