Civil War: Frontline #5

[ThePhenom]

Hmm my first one of these and I believe their is no thread, perhaps because America is not awake or ready with comic in hand as Australia was for once... :rolleyes:

Anyway onto the spoilers:

Embedded: We watch as Urich complains beyond belief about his encounter with Goblin, Goblin has a strange attack during the recollection and Jameson fires him. Sally and her boss are arrested for her actions with Typeface's underground resistance, she is also followed by a member of Cap's resistance SHIELD attempts to force her to identify.

The Accused: She-Hulk is accompanying Speedball to his punishment for not registering. Speedball and Typeface and his crew are sent to their new home, and what is possibly 42, i.e. a prison in the N-Zone

Sleeper Cell: Wonder Man is being blackmailed into finding the Namorean sleep agent...

Correspondence: Dealing with a tale of brotherhood, an allegory about Iron Man and Spidey and emphasises the concern from Aunt May and MJ.

All in all a good issue, I suppose I was just expecting something too different with 42 but I guess the N-Zone is a logical place. Embedded is proving more as a set up for a better story than was provided. Sleeper Cell was building up the story too and Correspondence has only relaly ever pleased me once.

Sorry for the lacklustre descriptions, my hands are cold and I feel sick but it got the message across.

What did you think?

[Magneto Rocks]

There is no N-zone in 616, at least not as far as I'm aware. That's Ultimate FF. In 616 it's the Negative Zone.

[mr_evilweed]

There is no N-zone in 616, at least not as far as I'm aware. That's Ultimate FF. In 616 it's the Negative Zone.
:rolleyes: Same difference man.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Sleeper Cell: Wonder Man is being blackmailed into finding the Namorean sleep agent...

Wonder Man is a registered hero. Why on earth would they need to blackmail him into investigating a possible crime?

[Miss Kitty Fantastico]

It looks like whoever in SHIELD has 'recruited' Green Goblin - whether it's official or something being done under the table, without the knowledge of superior officers - they've taken the very sensible measure of implementing some kind of 'leash' to keep him from doing exactly what he was trying to do. A telepath, perhaps? It seemed like something was in his head.

That aside, the Ben Urich half of this issue was a bit less than I'd been hoping - it seemed a lot to do with existing backstory between Urich and the Goblin (which I don't know, beyond what Front Line has implied, nor do I really care given than the Goblin doesn't do it for me as a villain), and little to do with a journalistic approach to the present crisis. Sally's tale carried much more weight for me, her meeting with her mysterious informant, and then her principled stand against the SHIELD agents.

My immediate thought was that Banana-Man was Cap himself, although he seemed a bit, I dunno, gruff - or at least someone high up in his 'Secret Avengers'. On the one hand, I wonder what good it would do to deny the existence of the underground, given that every other book has had Cap and his crew headlining the newspapers with their renegade heroics. Then again, what he suggested Sally do could prove a very powerful asset to the anti-reg cause - stop looking for conspiracies (which the average reader will likely dismiss as ultra-left-wing paranoia) and turn her attention to a factual study of the Act itself. The absence of Sally's worn-on-her-sleeve political leanings could make her work approachable to the masses, in a way that a regular 'alternative' journalism piece can't be. And there's no denying, the Act is full of holes - as we saw with Wonder Man, the checks and balances that make a good, moral law just aren't there, allowing the law's enforcers to legally screw the ideals the law is meant to support. As much as I agree with the notion of superhero regulation, I don't think there's any denying that the implementation is seriously shoddy this time 'round. I mean, SHIELD pressuring heroes to 'voluntarily' do what they're told? Saw that coming a mile off. Anyone with even a minor skeleton in their closet ought to be pretty worried about now. (Though I'd like to hear from people who know Wonder Man better than me, which would be anyone - what's the word on him and this embezzlement thing? Honest guy who goofed up, or would he have knowingly cut legal corners, even if in a good name?)

Come to think of it, "...leave all the secretive stuff to the experts" - I wonder if that was a clue? That wasn't Nick Fury, d'you think?

The Correspondence section was interesting as usual, but a bit confusing this time in that I didn't recognise the Civil War events that were playing alongside the civil war events, if you follow me. Spider-Man - red-and-blue Spider-Man, too - and Iron Man going after some heroes I didn't recognise, and then... did it look to anyone else that Spidey had turned on Iron Man on the third page? Made me wonder if perhaps scheduling got a little out of whack, and this is alluding to things we're going to see in Civil War #4 in a week's time.

Nice to see The Accused moving along - though, are we ever going to find out who Robbie's cellmate of the freaky looks was? Good to see She-Hulk's role continuing, and I like the balance between compassion and realism being shown with her - that ties in very well to the guardedly pro-reg stance laid out in more detail in her own title. Looks like the guess that the construction in Thunderbolts was taking place in another dimension was spot on.

That thing with the public information commercial was cute - a bit silly (I mean, Wonder Man was right, the ad was lame - surely SHIELD could've found a publicist who'd give them a more polished PR product than that) but another little piece of the Civil War tapestry, and welcome as such.

[SnakeEater]

Was this and Ms Marvel 6 the only two civil war books to come out today?
While im at it, was F Four 539 the only Civil war book to come out lsat week?

[Miss Kitty Fantastico]

Was this and Ms Marvel 6 the only two civil war books to come out today?
While im at it, was F Four 539 the only Civil war book to come out lsat week?
Yes, that's right. The distribution by week so far has been 1 (CW1), 2, 2, 1, 2 (CW2), 0, 6, 0, 2, 5 (CW3), 6, 1, 2. No particularly evident design, although obviously Marvel has been surging and lulling in terms of issue releases, rather than maintaining a steady flow. Whether that's just the way the production cycle turned them out, or whether they intended it to be this way, who knows? I don't mind it so much - the hip pocket takes a pounding on the heavy weeks, but it does also ramp up the feeling of pace and weight to the series when you haul home half a dozen issues all at once. 52, by contrast - the ultimate in regular releases - suffers a bit, I think, from the regularity it has. It's nice to only have to wait a week for the next issue, but at the same time you never get more than a single issue's worth of 'hit' at once (and I know from my own experience that, if read in larger chunks, 52 feels like a rollercoaster ride, rather than the somewhat sedate story with occasional moments of impact that it is when experienced weekly).

I think we can be fairly certain, all things considered, that next week is going to be a big one in terms of issues.

[The Charlatan]

(Though I'd like to hear from people who know Wonder Man better than me, which would be anyone - what's the word on him and this embezzlement thing? Honest guy who goofed up, or would he have knowingly cut legal corners, even if in a good name?)

Simon Williams was head of a business that was competeing and failing against Stark. Following the advice of his no-good brother Eric, he embezzled some money to invest in other markets, and he got caught, trialed, and sentenced, but was bailed out by the Masters of Evil (Enchantress under the command of the first Baron Zemo). Zemo offered to amke simon a superhuman of great power to infiltrate the Avengers and take revenge on Stark. He agreed, but later changed his mind and betrayed Zemo, and died as a result of the process that gave him his powers... and then he got better. Several years after he came back and had been a publically know and respected Avenger, he was on a late-night talk show and admitted the details of his origins on national television. I'm not sure if he ever had to go back and face legal problems for for his admission though. I'm also not sure if he operated with a secret ID and he confessed his real name as well, or he was publically know as Simon Williams before then...

[Expletive Deleted]

The Negative Zone? You mean the place where every third planet is the home to a crazy, super-powered dictator, one of whom is invading the Marvel Universe at this very moment?

If this is Reed's idea, he's really slipping.

[IamtheRock3]

pretty good

Showing both side well

I DEFINLY might not go to authroties if I was Anti Reg. I mean Phatom zone..the PHANTOM ZONE!!!. Not exactly scream fair trial

It shouldnt be THAT hard for She hulk to bring up all sorts of Cival rights violations in defending his case, that if it gets to trial. And they odd thing have no idea Why Shield doing it

A MORON can find Speedball Guilty, it no need for this nonsnese. Stuff like this may get Speedball off

Which make me think It was some goverment connection to Nitro. Beacue Shield arent idiots.


Love the investigative reporting thing, Very X-FILEs and koljack night stalkes

Also that "Don't look for conspircies" is not just for the Charcter but the readers. Sure Shield may be Dark, but the whole registration itself may not be one conspircy

Not about an UBER VILLANS working against Cap. That what I lot of readeres expecting

It about a new policy that may change marvel universe and if it right or wrong. As much as I like Hill, Think she out to do good. Got the world best interest at heart, and the bill makes SENSE...it really does

Just got a few holes that need to be plug

[Beast]

Just finished the issue. I still think that Front Line hasn't been that interesting so far. But it's nice to see what may be '42' finally. I think the best story of the bunch was probably the Wonder Man one though. Nice to see that he's now getting a taste of just what the Registration Act means for Heroes. :)

[drwho]

First story was good I'm enjoying the whole reporter storylines. It was an unexpected surprise to me that Wonder Man would be brought into the Sleeper Cell storyline. Third story is even though it is the negative zone why is it okay to put prisoners in another dimension that also has its own inhabitants? I guess the idea is it is better to have them running around in that dimension than our own. I hate the last comparing to history parts.

[Blackcat]

Besides Speedball, Goblin, Ben, Sally, JJJ, Wonderman and She Hulk any other appearances?

[riotgear]

Simon Williams was head of a business that was competeing and failing against Stark. Following the advice of his no-good brother Eric, he embezzled some money to invest in other markets, and he got caught, trialed, and sentenced, but was bailed out by the Masters of Evil (Enchantress under the command of the first Baron Zemo). Zemo offered to amke simon a superhuman of great power to infiltrate the Avengers and take revenge on Stark. He agreed, but later changed his mind and betrayed Zemo, and died as a result of the process that gave him his powers... and then he got better. Several years after he came back and had been a publically know and respected Avenger, he was on a late-night talk show and admitted the details of his origins on national television. I'm not sure if he ever had to go back and face legal problems for for his admission though. I'm also not sure if he operated with a secret ID and he confessed his real name as well, or he was publically know as Simon Williams before then...

He went on TV and discussed it, admitting his role in the embezzlement. I believe it was in the Avengers Two story.

[Haunt]

Besides Speedball, Goblin, Ben, Sally, JJJ, Wonderman and She Hulk any other appearances?


Typeface, Coldblood, and the Living Mummy showed up.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/typefacespdrmn.htm
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/coldblood7.htm
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/mummynka.htm


and, for some strange reason, i think 'Banana Man' was US Agent.

[sherlockbones]

Simon Williams was head of a business that was competeing and failing against Stark. Following the advice of his no-good brother Eric, he embezzled some money to invest in other markets, and he got caught, trialed, and sentenced, but was bailed out by the Masters of Evil (Enchantress under the command of the first Baron Zemo). Zemo offered to amke simon a superhuman of great power to infiltrate the Avengers and take revenge on Stark. He agreed, but later changed his mind and betrayed Zemo, and died as a result of the process that gave him his powers... and then he got better. Several years after he came back and had been a publically know and respected Avenger, he was on a late-night talk show and admitted the details of his origins on national television. I'm not sure if he ever had to go back and face legal problems for for his admission though. I'm also not sure if he operated with a secret ID and he confessed his real name as well, or he was publically know as Simon Williams before then...

publically known? the man was a movie star around that time.
(only detail i miss in your summary)

[Gregg Helmberger]

Wonder Man is a registered hero. Why on earth would they need to blackmail him into investigating a possible crime?

Because Wonder Man was under the mistaken impression that he did not become SHIELD's b**** by signing the registration document. He felt he still had some free will and didn't think that investigating the case of a missing shopkeeper was a good use of his time. He was quickly informed that he is, in fact, SHIELD's b**** and will do what he's told or else.

[Rich L]

and, for some strange reason, i think 'Banana Man' was US Agent.

But...but...

Eric is Banana Man!


http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/b/b6/Bananaman_john_geering.jpg

[Haunt]

But...but...

Eric is Banana Man!


http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/b/b6/Bananaman_john_geering.jpg

yes but he refused to register and was shot. US Agent is Banana Man II. and the Red Skull has adopted the Apple Man title.

[Violently Apathetic]

Damn you, Haunt. Your post resulted in me spitting pop all over my keyboard. I think I f*cked up half the keys...

[JeffreyWKramer]

The stuff with Wonder Man engaging in embezzlement annoys the heck out of me. Simon's been down this road before and made amends. It seems characters in the Marvel U can't really ever reform or move forward. Though it's mostly been interesting so far, the whole cynicism behind the basic idea of CIVIL WAR made me wary of the concept from the start, and stuff like Reed's inexplicable behavior and this unwelcome turn of events re: Wonder Man are turning me off the actual project. The stuff with SHIELD being manipulative, amoral scumbags, I pretty much expected - that's been par for the course in the MU for months now, ever since SECRET WAR and all through NEW AVENGERS - but this apparent need to recast the heroes in a less than flattering light... well, a) that's not what I turn to Marvel U books for - for that stuff, there's SQUADRON SUPREME, not to mention most of the current DC books, and b) the moral-hypocrite superhero routine has been done to death already. See IDENTITY CRISIS and numerous subsequent DC books for details.

Plus, as ExDel already pointed out, the idea of putting a bunch of super criminals in the Negative Zone is something less than brilliant.

So, this book was pretty disappointing on those grounds.

[Haunt]

Damn you, Haunt. Your post resulted in me spitting pop all over my keyboard. I think I f*cked up half the keys...


hey i was just as surprised as you. i'm still trying to get the picture of him swimming through the air out of my head. :mad:

The stuff with Wonder Man engaging in embezzlement annoys the heck out of me. Simon's been down this road before and made amends. It seems characters in the Marvel U can't really ever reform or move forward. Though it's mostly been interesting so far, the whole cynicism behind the basic idea of CIVIL WAR made me wary of the concept from the start, and stuff like Reed's inexplicable behavior and this unwelcome turn of events re: Wonder Man are turning me off the actual project. The stuff with SHIELD being manipulative, amoral scumbags, I pretty much expected - that's been par for the course in the MU for months now, ever since SECRET WAR and all through NEW AVENGERS - but this apparent need to recast the heroes in a less than flattering light... well, a) that's not what I turn to Marvel U books for - for that stuff, there's SQUADRON SUPREME, not to mention most of the current DC books, and b) the moral-hypocrite superhero routine has been done to death already. See IDENTITY CRISIS and numerous subsequent DC books for details.

Plus, as ExDel already pointed out, the idea of putting a bunch of super criminals in the Negative Zone is something less than brilliant.

So, this book was pretty disappointing on those grounds.


i was also quite surprised that Simon would do this again. i guess he isn't as reformed as first thought. and what will Carol think of this, if she finds out?

[PaxHouse]

and, for some strange reason, i think 'Banana Man' was US Agent.

That's funny.......I thought 'Banana Man' was Nick Fury......;)

[Haunt]

That's funny.......I thought 'Banana Man' was Nick Fury......;)


it's possible; likely almost.

[foxfire]

Because Wonder Man was under the mistaken impression that he did not become SHIELD's b**** by signing the registration document. He felt he still had some free will and didn't think that investigating the case of a missing shopkeeper was a good use of his time. He was quickly informed that he is, in fact, SHIELD's b**** and will do what he's told or else.
Pretty much :D

[The Charlatan]

..yeah, reading the issue for myself now, I see that it's NEW embezzling charges on Simon, not the old ones... I'm trying to figure out what a man who doesn't need to eat, drink, sleep, or breathe, and has flight (no need for car), invulnerablity (no need for health insurance) would need that much money for. I can only assume that he's got a big-ass house and is loading it with bling. Knowing how Civil War is dirtying up every single hero, it's probably high-priced hookers ("Could you dress as Scarlet Witch for me?"). Ugh.

[Arti]

..yeah, reading the issue for myself now, I see that it's NEW embezzling charges on Simon, not the old ones... I'm trying to figure out what a man who doesn't need to eat, drink, sleep, or breathe, and has flight (no need for car), invulnerablity (no need for health insurance) would need that much money for. I can only assume that he's got a big-ass house and is loading it with bling. Knowing how Civil War is dirtying up every single hero, it's probably high-priced hookers ("Could you dress as Scarlet Witch for me?"). Ugh.
it said it was for his "Second Chances Foundation" which sounds pretty philanthropic.

Wonder-man got a lot of action today in comics :)

[JeffreyWKramer]

it said it was for his "Second Chances Foundation" which sounds pretty philanthropic.

No, the implication is that he was embezzling *from* his philanthropic foundation. Which paints Wonder Man as rather something of a scumbag.

[Haunt]

it said it was for his "Second Chances Foundation" which sounds pretty philanthropic.



sounds pretty ironic considering this would be the second time he's embezzled money and gotten away with it.

[CyberCoyote]

Aw fer cryin' out loud, they're saying he's embezzling from the foundation? Can they make any more stupid changes to characters to force this on us? GAH!

One of the few things that keeps my interest in this stuff is Carol and Simon. I think Reed did a good job explaining her part in this stuff, but making Wondy a criminal again is about as lazy as just killing off characters because you don't wanna write them. Do something interesting, tell him you've got Eric, he's alive, and if Simon wants to see him he's gotta cooperate.

Phooey. He's got a miniseries coming up, anyone mention to PAD that he's a low life scum bag? I hope it's trumped up and Simon turns out to be the 'traitor' now. The anti's need a serious big gun on their side and he could be it. They might have a Thor stand in, but Simon hit's as hard as Blondie's hammer :)

Edited: Only way this gets righted for me is if Simon's the big Traitor. I'd love to see the pro reg side about to pull off some big victory then have Simon beat the new Thor into the ground with Iron Man. The Foundation could be getting used to finance the anti's behind the scenes. that way it looks like he's doing something illegal and he has to play along w/ SHIELD or they'll follow the paper trail. Still not a great thing, but at least it'd be for a purpose other than..whatever trappings a guy who needs nothing might have.

[Skry]

I have a large feeling that the Banana man was the Punisher.

[Moose]

I have a large feeling that the Banana man was the Punisher.
Me too. It would fit him perfectly.

[snikt34]

Frontline #5 was freakin crazy. I think the government is going to trick everyone that is behind their little law. Reading this book and them having to blackmail wonder man has my suspicions that the government is going to lock up all supers. Its a perfect setting. Getting all the heros and villians for the act to catch the ones against and when they least expect it, bam, they get captured. And I agree that the Punisher was the banana man. Fits him too good.

[bulbasteve]

It looks like whoever in SHIELD has 'recruited' Green Goblin - whether it's official or something being done under the table, without the knowledge of superior officers - they've taken the very sensible measure of implementing some kind of 'leash' to keep him from doing exactly what he was trying to do. A telepath, perhaps? It seemed like something was in his head.

Are we sure he isn't in the Thunderbolts program since he is a villain and all? Although I don't remember them saying anything about badguys already in jail, but it would make sense with the sheer number of them they have. Seems to me that it would make sense for their to be some sort of failsafe in the programming they are giving them. Though we don't know how or by who would trigger it. I mean I can't believe Stark and them would let bad guys run loose if they didn't have a way to stop them.


Simon Williams was head of a business that was competeing and failing against Stark. Following the advice of his no-good brother Eric, he embezzled some money to invest in other markets, and he got caught, trialed, and sentenced, but was bailed out by the Masters of Evil.

Then I guess what they are blackmailing him for is a seperate case since they say it is the tax records of his second chances charity that the embezzlement showed up in.

Although I think it's odd they say it's a draft and yet even bother blackmailing him. But I have to say as shadey as the deals sound it does sorta make sense. Just signing really shouldn't erase all a heroes previous crimes, but doing certain jobs for SHIELD will be time served. Because the agent did say that after the mission that charge will go away so they really can't be 'drafting' him anymore if that is the only oustanding charge he has.

And he could still say no and go to court with it...so the blackmail isn't that effective...especially since the guy would get bail easily.

[Gregg Helmberger]

My first thought on reading it was that Wonder Man didn't criminally embezzle the money per se, but he's aware that there's something wrong with his books, like an accounting error or someone else's malfeasance, whatever. I guess I'm not exactly sure WHY I felt that way, except that it was something in his response that made me think he was covering for someone else.

[JeffreyWKramer]

I have a large feeling that the Banana man was the Punisher.


Ah! That sounds like a very good call to me!

[Mothmonsterman]

The stuff with Wonder Man engaging in embezzlement annoys the heck out of me. Simon's been down this road before and made amends. It seems characters in the Marvel U can't really ever reform or move forward. Though it's mostly been interesting so far, the whole cynicism behind the basic idea of CIVIL WAR made me wary of the concept from the start, and stuff like Reed's inexplicable behavior and this unwelcome turn of events re: Wonder Man are turning me off the actual project. The stuff with SHIELD being manipulative, amoral scumbags, I pretty much expected - that's been par for the course in the MU for months now, ever since SECRET WAR and all through NEW AVENGERS - but this apparent need to recast the heroes in a less than flattering light... well, a) that's not what I turn to Marvel U books for - for that stuff, there's SQUADRON SUPREME, not to mention most of the current DC books, and b) the moral-hypocrite superhero routine has been done to death already. See IDENTITY CRISIS and numerous subsequent DC books for details.

Civil War as a whole has been roughly 1,000,000% less "balanced" than Marvel promised it would be, but Frontline is by far the least balanced of any CW title. Every page of that book seems to have an agenda of making the registraction act seem absolutely evil and making any hero who supports it morally reprehensible.

[jonwes]

I'm starting to find Front Line a bit annoying, and that's from someone who has enjoyed it. The thing I find most annoyiing is that Jenkins clearly has a side and makes no pretense about trying to show both sides objectively. I can't believe EVERY SHIELD agent EVERYwhere is a total jerk who relishes taking out superheroes. Enough already.

I wondered about the Wonder Man thing too.... though maybe SHIELD was just framing him? I'm not sure Wonder Man said anything to suggest that the embezzlement was true. Heck, someone else could be doing it and SHIELD is just happy to pin it on him.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Civil War as a whole has been roughly 1,000,000% less "balanced" than Marvel promised it would be, but Frontline is by far the least balanced of any CW title. Every page of that book seems to have an agenda of making the registraction act seem absolutely evil and making any hero who supports it morally reprehensible.


I wouldn't go that far - for example, neither Prodigy nor Thunderclap came off particularly well - but in general, I agree that FRONTLINE is pretty much saying "anyone pro-reg is either a tool or a fascist." This issue was very much in that vein, but so was the previous segment with Ben Urich interviewing Reed Richards.

And oh, put me down for absolutely *hating* the closing bits of each of these issues, with the historical text. They're awkward and weak, and the attempt to draw parallels between a superhero crossover story and actual, historical tragedies such as the real Civil War and the Japanese internment is... well, at best it's simultaneously pretentious and lame, and at worst it's insulting and degrading to the meaning of those historical events and the real people impacted by those events.

[Mothmonsterman]

I wouldn't go that far - for example, neither Prodigy nor Thunderclap came off particularly well - but in general, I agree that FRONTLINE is pretty much saying "anyone pro-reg is either a tool or a fascist." This issue was very much in that vein, but so was the previous segment with Ben Urich interviewing Reed Richards.

And oh, put me down for absolutely *hating* the closing bits of each of these issues, with the historical text. They're awkward and weak, and the attempt to draw parallels between a superhero crossover story and actual, historical tragedies such as the real Civil War and the Japanese internment is... well, at best it's simultaneously pretentious and lame, and at worst it's insulting and degrading to the meaning of those historical events and the real people impacted by those events.

Prodigy was drunk, so he could only make his point so eloquently, but I remember the narration during that scene being pretty clearly slanted. The last line was something like "...but nobody ever realizes until it's too late." You would've thought the line was copped from any number of random Illuminati conspiracy websites.

I definitely agree about the closing bits.

[IamtheRock3]

I dont know if it that one sided

The Superhero blowing up that tanker and getting people killed was pretty powerfull. Also speedball does come of as an Ass.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Also speedball does come of as an Ass.

But virtually everyone Speedball is dealing with comes off as even more of an ass.

[StoneGold]

But virtually everyone Speedball is dealing with comes off as even more of an ass.
Yeah. Speedballs.



Teehee!!!


Well, it works if you ignore a word or two towards the end.

[Wind-Breaker]

Just read the issue as well, and whatever supporting thoughts I had for the pro-side just went out the wind. The blackmailing of Wonderman, the arrest of the reporters, yep SHIELD has reached its peak in corruption with Hill leading it. You'd figure as smart and political Iron man is that he knew of stuff like this, and tried to prevent it, or maybe he does know....

[DamonO]

And oh, put me down for absolutely *hating* the closing bits of each of these issues, with the historical text. They're awkward and weak, and the attempt to draw parallels between a superhero crossover story and actual, historical tragedies such as the real Civil War and the Japanese internment is... well, at best it's simultaneously pretentious and lame, and at worst it's insulting and degrading to the meaning of those historical events and the real people impacted by those events.

Yeah, but the very concept of this whole storyline is based on real world events. Big catastrophe involving the massive loss of human life leads to laws being passed which spark a debate between loss of civil rights vs. national security. Sound familiar?

I actually saw a parallel between the Japanese internment and the incarceration of non-complying heroes over a month ago. Both of them have one thing in common: Neither of them made the populace one iota safer. It only makes them feel safer.

[Mothmonsterman]

I actually saw a parallel between the Japanese internment and the incarceration of non-complying heroes over a month ago. Both of them have one thing in common: Neither of them made the populace one iota safer. It only makes them feel safer.

Last I checked, none of the Japanese-Americans had the power to level a city or anything like that.

There has yet to be a writer with the balls to actually tackle the issue of what should be done about untrained, unqualified citizens with powers that make them the equivilent of walking nukes without having to write themselves an easy out to avoid coming up with a solution.

[DamonO]

Last I checked, none of the Japanese-Americans had the power to level a city or anything like that.

There has yet to be a writer with the balls to actually tackle the issue of what should be done about untrained, unqualified citizens with powers that make them the equivilent of walking nukes without having to write themselves an easy out to avoid coming up with a solution.

Yeah, and how many superheroes have taken it upon themselves to level a city since the Marvel Universe began?

They can't even keep the villains locked up, and they're worried about the heroes? They're worried about registering Squirrel Girl while Mr. Hyde is on the loose for the umpteenth time. Yeah, that makes sense.

In the 40 years that the Marvel Universe has existed, I can't recall a single incident other than Stamford where superhero negligence has led to multiple deaths. Compare that to people like the Leader, who nuked a small town, or Roxxon, who used a satellite to kill a town full of people. Interestingly enough SHIELD didn't bring anyone to justice in either instance.

But let's get NFL Super-Pro registered, and the world will be a safer place.

[Nate Palm]

There has yet to be a writer with the balls to actually tackle the issue of what should be done about untrained, unqualified citizens with powers that make them the equivilent of walking nukes without having to write themselves an easy out to avoid coming up with a solution.

Uh..what? Did you not just read the issue this thread is talking about? "Untrained, unqualified citizens with powers that make them the equivilent of walking nukes" are being put into a big prison in the Negative Zone where they won't be able to hurt anyone. The unregistered citizens are being promptly rounded up and imprisoned. That seems to be handling it quite well.

[Mothmonsterman]

Uh..what? Did you not just read the issue this thread is talking about? "Untrained, unqualified citizens with powers that make them the equivilent of walking nukes" are being put into a big prison in the Negative Zone where they won't be able to hurt anyone. The unregistered citizens are being promptly rounded up and imprisoned. That seems to be handling it quite well.

Nope. This time around, they added the clause where all superhumans have to join SHIELD and are basically forced into being first responders even if they don't want to be. That's the writers' easy out. They know they aren't up to the task of writing in morally ambiguous territory, so they toss in this device to make one side clearly right and one side clearly wrong.

Last time around, with the mutant registration act, they could have a character appeal to emotion and toss around the word "racism" a bunch of times and never have to answer the actual question at hand.

This time, it's the draft and lame references to Vietnam and slavery.

Anything but actually dabbling in moral ambiguity.

[Kevinroc]

Civil War as a whole has been roughly 1,000,000% less "balanced" than Marvel promised it would be, but Frontline is by far the least balanced of any CW title. Every page of that book seems to have an agenda of making the registraction act seem absolutely evil and making any hero who supports it morally reprehensible.

The registration proponents are Big Brother. And considering Wonder Man's position in this issue, that does lend credence to your "morally reprehensible" line.

[CyberCoyote]

The registration proponents are Big Brother. And considering Wonder Man's position in this issue, that does lend credence to your "morally reprehensible" line.

How does the possibility of him illegally siphoning money from a non profit organization leaving him open for blackmail put him in a positive light? :)

It's a frame up though, I tell ya! :D

[Nobbel]

So who is that bird-like girl? I never saw her before!

[Jack]

I have a large feeling that the Banana man was the Punisher.
Wouldn't the Punisher have used, you know, a real gun?

I think it might have been Wonder Man. He knows that SHIELD are dicks and he knows the Act isn't entirely what it seems to be, but he's not actually affiliated with the Anti-Avengers.

[The Cool Thatguy]

So who is that bird-like girl? I never saw her before!

I've not read the issue, but it's probably Silverclaw who fought Ms. Marvel in an FF tie in. As she's not an American citizen, I fail to see how they can legally hold her. Deport her if she doesn't register sure, but I'm fairly certain that forcing her to join an American law enforcement agency violates a host of international laws.

[Mitchel]

I just have to say this news about Wonder Man embezzling money from his Second Chances foundation has to be false. It goes against every positive thing that the character used to stand for and would make him a REAL SCUMBAG! Ruins the character as much as the Chuck Austen arc with the Wasp, Hank, Hawkeye triangle messed up in a bad way those three characters.

It has to be Shield framing him or something of the sort. For years I have built an online shrine to a character that symbolizes trying to make amends with errors from the past and striving to make of yourself a better person, if this storyline goes thru and Wonder Man is revealed to be the SCUMBAG who embezzles money from a charity foundation that he himself ironically named Second Chances then Marvel would have ruined this character and the main reason he used to resonate to many fans.

Another thing would be that Peter David's upcoming limited series won't make any sense. How could Wonder Man be helping to reform any supervillain if it is revealed that he is in truth an embezzler again. Just this right there gives away that he has to be innocent.

[shadowwolf47]

Wouldn't the Punisher have used, you know, a real gun?

I think it might have been Wonder Man. He knows that SHIELD are dicks and he knows the Act isn't entirely what it seems to be, but he's not actually affiliated with the Anti-Avengers.


Wonder Man was in LA while filming that PA. Bananaman was in New York.

Yes, WM could have flown back and forth, I doubt it.

You want to know who it is? Hawkeye.

Yup.

[Haunt]

Yeah, and how many superheroes have taken it upon themselves to level a city since the Marvel Universe began?


Carol Danvers downed a commercial airplane

Johnny Storm torched an entire college campus

SheHulk destroyed Bone Idaho

the Hulk's done worst

Tony Stark's armor has killed a number of people; including a diplomatic official

[garin]

I get more and more irritated with every issue of Frontline that comes out.

I'm pro-registration in principle, and have been able to deal with the overzealous enforcement in the other books. Jenkins, however, seems determined to make the Act utterly indefensible, and I think he's succeeded. I give up on trying to advocate it.

Frontline is the worst aspect of Civil War, by far. Can't wait for the Anne Frank backup story, I'm sure it'll be very tasteful (yes, Jenkins is really doing one.)

[Arilou]

I just have to say this news about Wonder Man embezzling money from his Second Chances foundation has to be false. It goes against every positive thing that the character used to stand for and would make him a REAL SCUMBAG! Ruins the character as much as the Chuck Austen arc with the Wasp, Hank, Hawkeye triangle messed up in a bad way those three characters.

It has to be Shield framing him or something of the sort. For years I have built an online shrine to a character that symbolizes trying to make amends with errors from the past and striving to make of yourself a better person, if this storyline goes thru and Wonder Man is revealed to be the SCUMBAG who embezzles money from a charity foundation that he himself ironically named Second Chances then Marvel would have ruined this character and the main reason he used to resonate to many fans.

Another thing would be that Peter David's upcoming limited series won't make any sense. How could Wonder Man be helping to reform any supervillain if it is revealed that he is in truth an embezzler again. Just this right there gives away that he has to be innocent.

My impression was that it wasn't so much active embezzelment as simply sloppy accounting.... That could be interpeted that way if you chose.

[drwho]

I don't see what the big issue is for Wonder Man. His country needs him he is a hero he should be anxious to go out and stop harm coming to the citizens of his country. Don't heroes protect people and evidently this guy is a threat.

[DamonO]

Carol Danvers downed a commercial airplane

Johnny Storm torched an entire college campus

SheHulk destroyed Bone Idaho

the Hulk's done worst

Tony Stark's armor has killed a number of people; including a diplomatic official

First of all, not a single one of those is comparable to a superhero intentionally levelling a city, which is what I asked. But since you brought those up, let's examine them:

1) Carol Danvers downed a commercial airplane during a period when she was suffering from alcoholism. She was booted out of the Avengers prior to that happening, so you can't say she was some untrained rookie. Having her registered with SHIELD wouldn't have changed a thing. No loss of life happened here that I'm aware of.

2) The Human Torch, as a member of the Fantastic Four, is one of the most experienced heroes in the modern Marvel Universe. The FF is constantly training and honing their abilities. Having him register with SHIELD would've accomplished absolutely nothing. Ms. Marvel is the lead hero on training registrants, and she has less experience than the Torch does. Again, no evidence of loss of life either.

3) She-Hulk destroyed Bone, Idaho as a result of being manipulated by the Scarlet Witch. She-Hulk is a longtime Avenger, so she's hardly untrained. Registering wouldn't have changed anything here either. Also, no loss of life.

4) Since when is the Hulk a super-hero? Good luck on getting him to register too.

5) Iron Man's armor has killed as a result of being manipulated by outside forces, not because Tony Stark intentionally tried to do so. Again, registration wouldn't have made a difference in those situations.

[Slumber Hulk]

Punisher? Hawkeye? Cap? Us Agent? Deadpool? The list of possibilites.

Speculation...

I personally lean towards Hawkeye, we know he's coming back in Civil War this is as good a place as any.

If not him, ask youself, "Who has access to a banana?"

[JeffreyWKramer]

Another thing would be that Peter David's upcoming limited series won't make any sense. How could Wonder Man be helping to reform any supervillain if it is revealed that he is in truth an embezzler again. Just this right there gives away that he has to be innocent.

Or that, once again, Marvel has been less than stellar at continuity and consistency of characterization of late.

As a fellow Wondy Fan, I was wondering how long it would be before you chimed in on this, Mitchel.

[ReigningBlood]

Nick Fury?

[JeffreyWKramer]

Yeah, but the very concept of this whole storyline is based on real world events. Big catastrophe involving the massive loss of human life leads to laws being passed which spark a debate between loss of civil rights vs. national security. Sound familiar?

Sure. And I have no problem with them playing on those themes. That's legitimate, and potentially interesting. Imaginative fiction is often at its best when it deals with real-world events via metaphor and thematic parallel. For examples, see the original INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS and many of the better STAR TREK and TWILIGHT ZONE episodes.

But attempting to draw more direct parallels, in the ham-handed manner of those closing segments of each issue of FRONTLINE... it just doesn't work at all, at least for me. Those segments actually serve to emphasize the dichotomy between the books and reality, not to mention trivializing the actual events.

[Gregg Helmberger]

This will obviously require the passage of the Banana Registration Act (BRA) to limit access to these malicious fruits. This will, in turn, prompt the formation of an Anti-Banana-Reg group called the Banana Avengers.

And remember, when bananas are outlawed, only outlaws will have bananas.

[Conn Seanery]

Can someone explain to me exactly what this Banana Man crap is?

[lima_bean]

Seems like most people think its The Punisher or Nick Fury, but I cant see the punisher using a bannana instead of a real gun. It doesnt seem like deadpool's style, too serious, and in his comic hes actively hunting heroes who didnt sign.

[Arilou]

I think it's a reference to the John Cleese sketch.

[Skry]

Its gotta be Punisher. He uses a Gun, he's all gritty and dirty, and he warns against both sides. Also, the writers have said that Punisher will be making his appearance in Civil War soon enough right? So here is the perfect opportunity.

[Mothmonsterman]

The registration proponents are Big Brother. And considering Wonder Man's position in this issue, that does lend credence to your "morally reprehensible" line.

Just because the government is involved doesn't mean you get to start brandishing Orwellian terms and calling them an argument. I don't think you could actually make a valid comparison between the registration act and Big Brother, so I'm not all that swayed by you citing the reference.

[drwho]

Can someone explain to me exactly what this Banana Man crap is?

In front line there was some guy undercover carrying a banana that talked to Sally. I didn't think it was important enough for its own thread, but I guess I'm wrong. As for who it is I'd say Captain America. I don't think Punisher would care too much about what happens to the heroes. He is more focused on slaughtering evil doers.

[Mothmonsterman]

I get more and more irritated with every issue of Frontline that comes out.

I'm pro-registration in principle, and have been able to deal with the overzealous enforcement in the other books. Jenkins, however, seems determined to make the Act utterly indefensible, and I think he's succeeded. I give up on trying to advocate it.

Frontline is the worst aspect of Civil War, by far. Can't wait for the Anne Frank backup story, I'm sure it'll be very tasteful (yes, Jenkins is really doing one.)

That's me. I don't think there is a single writer who is pro-registration, but Jenkins seems to be the only one showing utter contempt for the idea of moral ambiguity.

Maybe he should be writing an Annihilation tie-in. That's more the kind of "them's the good guys and them's the bag guys, ah-yup" story that he's obviously interested in writing.

[SlightlyMad]

It's Eric. I thought everyone knew, when Eric eats a banana

http://www.jedisparadise.co.uk/childrenstv/Bananaman/Bananaman1.jpg

an amazing transformation takes place, because Eric is...

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/2694/bananaman2fx.jpg

Bananaman!

[Mothmonsterman]

Sure. And I have no problem with them playing on those themes. That's legitimate, and potentially interesting. Imaginative fiction is often at its best when it deals with real-world events via metaphor and thematic parallel. For examples, see the original INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS and many of the better STAR TREK and TWILIGHT ZONE episodes.

But attempting to draw more direct parallels, in the ham-handed manner of those closing segments of each issue of FRONTLINE... it just doesn't work at all, at least for me. Those segments actually serve to emphasize the dichotomy between the books and reality, not to mention trivializing the actual events.

They're also quite insulting to the intelligence of the reader. Does he think we'll not catch the parallels without him actually drawing the situations parallel to one another?

[lima_bean]

Its gotta be Punisher. He uses a Gun,

Exactly. The Punisher uses a gun. So its not him.

[unkiedev]

It's Eric. I thought everyone knew, when Eric eats a banana

http://www.jedisparadise.co.uk/childrenstv/Bananaman/Bananaman1.jpg

an amazing transformation takes place, because Eric is...

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/2694/bananaman2fx.jpg

Bananaman!
DAMN! Beat me to it. Eric IS Bananamman! BRILLIANT!

I think it's the Punisher or Nick Fury. I don't have much idea, really. I've been reading frontline, but never read the Pulse. Who is that reporter lady? Does she have friends who are heroes?

[Young Avenger]

I don't think it was the Punisher. He would have used a real gun. Also, he wouldn't gave a s*** about what Sally's doing?

[bulbasteve]

My impression was that it wasn't so much active embezzelment as simply sloppy accounting.... That could be interpeted that way if you chose.

So what, he had another superhero life as Accountant Man? Pretty damn swank offices for him not to have an accounting firm. If it was sloppy accounting he would take his day in court since he would not have been at fault. Him going with SHIELD seems like a pretty big admission of guilt (plus they had the oh so dramatic shadows covering the eyes effect!)

[Mitchel]

Or that, once again, Marvel has been less than stellar at continuity and consistency of characterization of late.

As a fellow Wondy Fan, I was wondering how long it would be before you chimed in on this, Mitchel.

Amazing how after all these years Marvel itself seems to be making Wonder Man clearly be NOT COOLER THAN SUPERMAN. Its funny how some years ago the Ultimates made some fans protest at how the depiction of these heroes was all screwed up, all of them tarnished with low morality and traits that made them a lot less than heroes. Now Millar and company have managed to do the same to a bunch of proper 616 in continuity Marvel "Heroes". In a way, it is shock value what they are selling, as shocking as the tabloids that expose or make up all the crap about Hollywood superstars. In the end they will have sold a bunch of books but in the process they will have killed the immortality of the good natured stories that perpetuated the fan base of these characters.

[phantom1592]

Banannaman was Cap. I'm sure of it. Punisher, Nick fury, USAgent... they would have used real guns.

EVEN if they weren't loaded, and had no intention. it wouldn't have occured to Frank to use a BANANNA. It would have to be someone who doesn't use guns, probably didn't even have Access to one. I mean he KNEW She was being followed, and at any time he may have shoot his way through Cape-Killers.

It COULD be Hawkeye I suppose, but I think the one trying to protect Caps group, and shed light on the Act, would in fact be Cap.

Also the way the shield guys reacted, struck like they were tracking someone high up. Cap, or maybe nick, but I still think Nick would have used a gun. Certainly not Frank though. What does SHIELD care about him for.

[Jack]

Banannaman was Cap. I'm sure of it. Punisher, Nick fury, USAgent... they would have used real guns.

EVEN if they weren't loaded, and had no intention. it wouldn't have occured to Frank to use a BANANNA. It would have to be someone who doesn't use guns, probably didn't even have Access to one. I mean he KNEW She was being followed, and at any time he may have shoot his way through Cape-Killers.

It COULD be Hawkeye I suppose, but I think the one trying to protect Caps group, and shed light on the Act, would in fact be Cap.

Also the way the shield guys reacted, struck like they were tracking someone high up. Cap, or maybe nick, but I still think Nick would have used a gun. Certainly not Frank though. What does SHIELD care about him for.
Of course just because SHIELD thinks it was someone important doesn't mean it was. The natural assumption is that it was Cap, given the guy's build, but I don't think that will turn out to be the case. Hell, it could have just been a nameless SHIELD agent.

I'm sticking with my Wonder Man guess, but even if it isn't him I'd say it was a Pro with Anti sympathies.

[JeffreyWKramer]

They're also quite insulting to the intelligence of the reader. Does he think we'll not catch the parallels without him actually drawing the situations parallel to one another?

I'm not sure if Jenkins just thinks most people reading the book are idiots - in which case, he should realize they'll probably just skip the text-heavy parts that don't have punching and explosions (or boobs) anyhow - or if he's just trying to show off how learned he is. Either way, it's about as subtle as a sack full of bricks.

[JeffreyWKramer]

In the end they will have sold a bunch of books but in the process they will have killed the immortality of the good natured stories that perpetuated the fan base of these characters.

Unfortunately, despite the fact that some people - like you and me and Kurt Busiek - really like Wonder Man, he's still very much a second-stringer as far as sales punch and name recognition. As such, Marvel probably views him as more valuable being corrupt and edgy, sort of like they figured the best thing to do with someone like Quasar or Hawkeye was to kill them off in order to create the sense of a high-stakes story.

I guess we should be glad they aren't recasting Simon as a rapist or something like that.

[Mothmonsterman]

Unfortunately, despite the fact that some people - like you and me and Kurt Busiek - really like Wonder Man, he's still very much a second-stringer as far as sales punch and name recognition. As such, Marvel probably views him as more valuable being corrupt and edgy, sort of like they figured the best thing to do with someone like Quasar or Hawkeye was to kill them off in order to create the sense of a high-stakes story.


They tried that with his 90's solo title. It was a light-hearted, fun book, and then editorial decided that it needed to be darker and more like the X-Men.

[Young Avenger]

Banannaman was Cap. I'm sure of it. Punisher, Nick fury, USAgent... they would have used real guns.

EVEN if they weren't loaded, and had no intention. it wouldn't have occured to Frank to use a BANANNA. It would have to be someone who doesn't use guns, probably didn't even have Access to one. I mean he KNEW She was being followed, and at any time he may have shoot his way through Cape-Killers.

It COULD be Hawkeye I suppose, but I think the one trying to protect Caps group, and shed light on the Act, would in fact be Cap.

Also the way the shield guys reacted, struck like they were tracking someone high up. Cap, or maybe nick, but I still think Nick would have used a gun. Certainly not Frank though. What does SHIELD care about him for.

I don't think it would be Cap. I mean, wouldn't it be better for him to use his new civilizan identity to meet with Sally instead of hding his face under a hood?

[phantom1592]

I don't think it would be Cap. I mean, wouldn't it be better for him to use his new civilizan identity to meet with Sally instead of hding his face under a hood?


Oh no, the new face needs to be hidden. He knew she was being followed. If his new ID is seen within 100 paces of her it's wasted.

[Haunt]

It's Eric. I thought everyone knew, when Eric eats a banana

http://www.jedisparadise.co.uk/childrenstv/Bananaman/Bananaman1.jpg

an amazing transformation takes place, because Eric is...

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/2694/bananaman2fx.jpg

Bananaman!


dude. that joke was already made.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=3505854&postcount=18

[Iron Syndicate]

What completley blew my mind was this quote:

Wonder Man: "...You know damn well I didn't sign up for a draft"

Shield Agent: "Read the fine print, sir, that's exactly what you signed up for"

For the first time in the series, the act rears its ugly head and proves Cap right.


And as for Banana-Man, I think it's IronFi-- er... Daredevil. It just fit somehow... I don't know...

[Mothmonsterman]

What completley blew my mind was this quote:

Wonder Man: "...You know damn well I didn't sign up for a draft"

Shield Agent: "Read the fine print, sir, that's exactly what you signed up for"

For the first time in the series, the act rears its ugly head and proves Cap right.

Roughly transcribed...

Readers: "...You know damn well the act isn't a draft."

Jenkins: "But I'm not a skilled enough writer to argue against it otherwise."

[Young Avenger]

What completley blew my mind was this quote:

Wonder Man: "...You know damn well I didn't sign up for a draft"

Shield Agent: "Read the fine print, sir, that's exactly what you signed up for"

For the first time in the series, the act rears its ugly head and proves Cap right.


And as for Banana-Man, I think it's IronFi-- er... Daredevil. It just fit somehow... I don't know...

No, it's a case of Paul Jerkins makinn the act look as bad as he possibly can. There is not a issue of Frontline that portrayed the Registration in a positive at all.

[SnakeEater]

Everyone from SHIELD coming off as a jerk has been that way since Bendis started writing then in New Avengers and you know what i think it has everything to do with either Hill or someone below her that she doesnt realize. I mean she did let Stark know that the government was planning on blowing them and Genosha up in The Collective, so she cant be that evil but she has her moments.
SHIELD also bores the hell out of me and this could be the end of it and i woulodnt mind i mean they dont do anything but show up when everything is over, clean up and then let bad guys get away, they are boring and they suck.

[jsg2295]

The Negative Zone? You mean the place where every third planet is the home to a crazy, super-powered dictator, one of whom is invading the Marvel Universe at this very moment?

If this is Reed's idea, he's really slipping.
Yes, I agree. I was going to make this point but wanted to check and see if anyone else had.
I just cant believe that Reed Richards would put a bunch of high-powered individuals in the same dimension as a Blastaar or whomever.
I am not blaming this on Reed though.
This isn't the person I have read for so long.
This is secretly Tony Stark using some device on Reed to wipe away his scruples.
For after all, Tony Stark is a looney.

[phantom1592]

No, it's a case of Paul Jerkins makinn the act look as bad as he possibly can. There is not a issue of Frontline that portrayed the Registration in a positive at all.


I disagree to a point.

The issue with Thunderclap and whats-his-name, the act showed how careless some "heroes" are and how people could get hurt by them.

Speedball is pretty consistently shown as having no remorse for the incident.

There was something else too, but I don't remember it. In my opinion he seems to swing back and forth pretty quickly giving both sides the spotlight. In fact for a while there it looked like Urich was Pro, and Whats-her-name was Anti, when she was dodging explosions and ben was talking with Reed... It looked like they were going to BOTH switch sides.


This last issue however showed no good to the SHIELD people in the least though.

[jackolover]

It's getting worse and worse, this thing.

1. First, Osborn is out, on some vendetta with the Bugle, but THE MAN has him on some sort of leash.

2. Urich is now sacked. Sally and Campbell are arrested by Shield

3. We see '42' and it ain't pretty.

4. Wonderman gets the hard word that Rego means being drafted.

This SHRA, in Shields hands, is starting to feel like the Stazi of East Germany. Look over your shoulder, because your neighbour could rat on you. Very disturbing develoements. Excellant issue.

[phantom1592]

It's getting worse and worse, this thing.

2. Urich is now sacked.



Wonder how long that will last? Nobody takes JJ's firings seriously :rolleyes:

[JeffreyWKramer]

They tried that with his 90's solo title. It was a light-hearted, fun book, and then editorial decided that it needed to be darker and more like the X-Men.

Yeah, I know. But bad ideas just keep coming back. Lately it's been alternate covers and mega-crossovers and damaged heroes. Next it'll probably be chromium covers and Wolverine, Ghost Rider and Venom appearing in every Marvel book every month.

[jackolover]

Wonder how long that will last? Nobody takes JJ's firings seriously :rolleyes:

Well, you didn't see JJ flying into a rage and firing Urich. JJ was basically very hurt, (and fired him quite deliberately), that his most respected reporter was calling his publisher a coward. This probably stems from Urich watching JJ, as in the first vol of Spec Spiderman, when Osborn took over the bugle. Which later came down to JJ pulling a gun on Osborn, but Osborn called his bluff, and JJ chickened out, cause he didn't want to do the time for murder. JJ could have rid the world of the Green Goblin, too, so Shield shouldn't just be blaming Spiderman for this one, like Hill indicated in NA.

[SnakeEater]

This SHRA, in Shields hands, is starting to feel like the Stazi of East Germany. Look over your shoulder, because your neighbour could rat on you. Very disturbing develoements. Excellant issue.

Like i said, Shield is filthy from within and thats what is going to screw everything up in the end. Just because we see solicitations and Sue richards hanging with Namor doesnt mean that she is the traitor everyone is claiming. Im calling it on Shield. They were involved in the Stuff in the Savage land and that Black Widow was working with AIM/Hyrda. Then they were secretly stealing villians like Silver Samurai and placing them in the Raft and then all of a sudden the raft is blown to hell and everyone is out. They were going to blow the New Avengers straight to hell in The Collective on the presidents orders and didnt but still.
This has to do with someone of high government power and some portion if not all of Shield. Also with the constant "damaged heroes" thing going on, i wouldnt be surprised if this was all conducted by Nick Fury, i dont know just a feeling.
Think about it, Millar started the story in Marvel Knights Spidey about ppl funding villians, and then Bendis started the Shield thing...its all come down to this, the mystery "villian" in civil and i dont care that Joe Q said no mystery villian...he lies like a bear rug

[Lonewolf36]

For those keeping track of sides

Pro

Phone Ranger http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/phoneranger.htm aiding Spider-Man and Iron Man in the last story in Frontline#5.

Anti

Lightbright http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/lightbrightsomalia.htm
Wildstreak http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/wildstrk.htm Captured by Iron Man in last story of 5.

[Capt Hunter]

Like i said, Shield is filthy from within and thats what is going to screw everything up in the end. Just because we see solicitations and Sue richards hanging with Namor doesnt mean that she is the traitor everyone is claiming. Im calling it on Shield. They were involved in the Stuff in the Savage land and that Black Widow was working with AIM/Hyrda. Then they were secretly stealing villians like Silver Samurai and placing them in the Raft and then all of a sudden the raft is blown to hell and everyone is out. They were going to blow the New Avengers straight to hell in The Collective on the presidents orders and didnt but still.
This has to do with someone of high government power and some portion if not all of Shield. Also with the constant "damaged heroes" thing going on, i wouldnt be surprised if this was all conducted by Nick Fury, i dont know just a feeling.
Think about it, Millar started the story in Marvel Knights Spidey about ppl funding villians, and then Bendis started the Shield thing...its all come down to this, the mystery "villian" in civil and i dont care that Joe Q said no mystery villian...he lies like a bear rug

Amen Brother... my thought exactly.... I couldn't of said it any better....

Just to add one thing.... Over in Captain America, The Red Skull/Alexander Lukin with the Power of the Kronos Corp... I believe will be part of the villians in this story... The Marvel Universe is getting darker.... (my first thought after that statement... Can it get any darker?)

[DamonO]

What I don't understand is why anyone would think that SHIELD could effectively manage the superhero population. For decades, SHIELD has pretty much been totally ineffective if not downright incompetent in seemingly everything it does.

Even under Nick Fury -- who certainly was a better leader than Maria Hill is --
SHIELD has never seemed to accomplish much. Think about it, has SHIELD ever been instrumental in the capture of any super-villain? Usually they're just cannon fodder guest-starring in somebody's else's title, often relying on the starring superhero to save the day.

SHIELD isn't even effective in defeating their own enemies. How long has Hydra been around? Baron Strucker? Yellow Claw? AIM? Tell me, has anyone ever seen the Mandroids bring any super-villains to justice? These guys make the lives of super-heroes harder than they do super-villains.

And the fact that they've got a corrupt director in place makes them even less likely of being trustworthy. If the DC Universe had put the registration act in place back when Lex Luthor was President, does anyone think Superman wouldn't be justified in refusing to register? That's a rhetorical question, cause I'm sure some would still support Superman registering under those conditions.

But back to SHIELD. For decades, they've been nothing but a bunch of high-tech jackboots. Ineffective, and definitely incapable of managing superheroes.

[drwho]

What I take issue to is why doesn't Wonder Man want to help Shield himself? He is a hero and has been advised of a threat he should more than want to take care of it by the kindness of his heart. Heroes help people and Shield did strong arm him, but if some ion hero can save the lives of hundreds of people he should be fine with doing it.

[CyberCoyote]

But back to SHIELD. For decades, they've been nothing but a bunch of high-tech jackboots. Ineffective, and definitely incapable of managing superheroes.

there is no answer. And they are being portrayed as being pretty danged sleezy and not trustworthy. Did the writers think that forming a unique government agency to handle this was a bad idea? Were they just going for the SHIELD/ULTIMATES mirror (not that the main writer on this is the main..oh, wait. He is. Heh, forget that, just a rehashed idea)

[JeffreyWKramer]

What I take issue to is why doesn't Wonder Man want to help Shield himself? He is a hero and has been advised of a threat he should more than want to take care of it by the kindness of his heart. Heroes help people and Shield did strong arm him, but if some ion hero can save the lives of hundreds of people he should be fine with doing it.

He wasn't really even given the option. They came in, presented the problem, then presented the blackmail stuff and told him to do it or else.

[jackolover]

What I take issue to is why doesn't Wonder Man want to help Shield himself? He is a hero and has been advised of a threat he should more than want to take care of it by the kindness of his heart. Heroes help people and Shield did strong arm him, but if some ion hero can save the lives of hundreds of people he should be fine with doing it.

I suppose he thinks ' this is not a job for Wonderman'. He usually handles the big guys. He sums up that Shield have other players better suited, and tells them so. Then, when he turns them down, now they force him? Where's the freedom in that? Now maybe Shield do need him because of his special powers. But I'm betting Wondy thinks they're using a hammer on an ant

[SnakeEater]

What I don't understand is why anyone would think that SHIELD could effectively manage the superhero population. For decades, SHIELD has pretty much been totally ineffective if not downright incompetent in seemingly everything it does.

Even under Nick Fury -- who certainly was a better leader than Maria Hill is --
SHIELD has never seemed to accomplish much. Think about it, has SHIELD ever been instrumental in the capture of any super-villain? Usually they're just cannon fodder guest-starring in somebody's else's title, often relying on the starring superhero to save the day.

SHIELD isn't even effective in defeating their own enemies. How long has Hydra been around? Baron Strucker? Yellow Claw? AIM? Tell me, has anyone ever seen the Mandroids bring any super-villains to justice? These guys make the lives of super-heroes harder than they do super-villains.

And the fact that they've got a corrupt director in place makes them even less likely of being trustworthy. If the DC Universe had put the registration act in place back when Lex Luthor was President, does anyone think Superman wouldn't be justified in refusing to register? That's a rhetorical question, cause I'm sure some would still support Superman registering under those conditions.

But back to SHIELD. For decades, they've been nothing but a bunch of high-tech jackboots. Ineffective, and definitely incapable of managing superheroes.

Arent they the same ppl who had a sentinel destroy the hellicarrier and then got looted until the punisher came along? Seriously i hope marvel ends this Shield thing with Civil War because they seem like a waste of art and story time. And i wanted to add that i know the "banana man" said in front line that there was no conspiracy but maybe Banana-man is really Joe Q making his comic debut. I dont know but i dont buy what that got was selling...i mean who would buy a banana that has been in some random dudes hand and then the floor...ewww

[Weapon Ick]

Y'know if it turns out Punisher was in this issue then in the OHOMU it will forever list under previous aliases: Banana Man. Not sure how his more hardcore fans would like that.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Y'know if it turns out Punisher was in this issue then in the OHOMU it will forever list under previous aliases: Banana Man. Not sure how his more hardcore fans would like that.

If they're willing to ignore his brief period as an angelic agent, I'm sure they'll forgive Banana Man.

[Kirayoshi]

Wonder how long that will last? Nobody takes JJ's firings seriously :rolleyes:Considering the embarrasment to JJJ caused by Spider-Man's unmasking, does anyone want to bet that by the end of CW the Bugle will either be under new management or go into bankruptcy and stop publication altogether?

[Kylun123]

Considering the embarrasment to JJJ caused by Spider-Man's unmasking, does anyone want to bet that by the end of CW the Bugle will either be under new management or go into bankruptcy and stop publication altogether?

i think it would be funny/interesting if the paper Sally Floyd is working for becomes the "new Daily Bugle." Although I don't think Daily Bugle would have to close shop I just think it might lose it's fan base.

Y'see, I was thinking that the JJJ story would result in the Green Goblin following through with his threat and then Jameson is saved by Peter Parker/Spiderman.
And maybe the new paper covers the story putting Spider Man on front page as a hero, and JJJ continues to insult SpiderMan, writes another scathing editorial accusing Peter of being a criminal, yadda yadda.
And then I guess Ben Urich signs with this other paper, and maybe they have an inside story from Floyd and the chief being arrested by Shield.

[Kylun123]

i thought, with doubts, that the Banana Man was supposed to be Capt. America, although I'm intrigued by the possibility that everyone is suggesting it's someone other than the obvious.
(Also, didn't Cap speak already once to Floyd?)

If they were introducing a surprise character who is yet to be seen my bet would be on Hawkeye, only bc it gets him involved in the storyline, but it doesn't really make sense why he would have inside information on SHIELD and Cap's group bc we haven't seen him around anywhere.

I don't really see why the Punisher makes any sense either.

And I imagine the only reason Nick Fury makes sense is bc he'd know the going ons at SHIELD? And it seems that his character will come out through Civil War, so again this was an opportunity to have him be involved.

[PaxHouse]

I think it's a reference to the John Cleese sketch.

Well, that's part of it (for those that've seen the classic MONTY PYTHON Series, where John's a self-defense instructor, who's teaching the students 'how to defend themselves from....rabid fruits & vegatables':rolleyes: (and with even more outrageous results.....Loved the 'Pointed Stick' Line:p ).....

But it's (like the others have pointed out) the BANANAMAN Cartoon that was shown sometime ago on Cable/Synication.....

[PaxHouse]

For those keeping track of sides

Pro

Phone Ranger http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/phoneranger.htm aiding Spider-Man and Iron Man in the last story in Frontline#5.



....Whoa, whoa, whoa.......hoooooold it....!!:eek: Wasn't the Phone Ranger one of those who's gotten..."Scrouged" ....!!


Anti

Lightbright http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/lightbrightsomalia.htm
Wildstreak http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/wildstrk.htm Captured by Iron Man in last story of 5.

Even though it's good to see Wildstreak again; still it's a shame that she had to be captured......:(

But there's is one thing I wish to know.....

Any chances that what happenned in this Tale will be shown more in detail within AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #535.....??

[phantom1592]

....Whoa, whoa, whoa.......hoooooold it....!!:eek: Wasn't the Phone Ranger one of those who's gotten..."Scrouged" ....!!



Its a sad sad day when a new guy picks up that identity.....:(

[Sean Walsh]

The Negative Zone? You mean the place where every third planet is the home to a crazy, super-powered dictator, one of whom is invading the Marvel Universe at this very moment?

If this is Reed's idea, he's really slipping.

This prison saw its origins in the FANTASTIC FOUR: FOES miniseries (where they'd be keeping FF villains). By Kirkman, so I'd like to think it made sense there....but elsewhere, not so much. :p

[PaxHouse]

This prison saw its origins in the FANTASTIC FOUR: FOES miniseries (where they'd be keeping FF villains). By Kirkman, so I'd like to think it made sense there....but elsewhere, not so much. :p

Thanks for bringing that point up.....although you can be the "42" will probably be even more improved than his original intent......

[gketter]

I thought Banana Man was Daredevil. Mainly because of the lawyer comment

[Xero]

Typeface, Coldblood, and the Living Mummy showed up.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/mummynka.htm

I thought that looked like N'Kantu.

[IamtheRock3]

could be Blade in disguise

Think I saw fangs

[NickThompson]

I don't really think the SHRA is a draft, even if the character did say it. A draft would indicate to me that someone who doesn't want to be a hero is being forced into it, not where someone who is a hero is being told to work on certain things. Having said that, I could have done without that part of the story.

[phantom1592]

I don't really think the SHRA is a draft, even if the character did say it. A draft would indicate to me that someone who doesn't want to be a hero is being forced into it, not where someone who is a hero is being told to work on certain things. Having said that, I could have done without that part of the story.


Well I remember in New Avengers, when Jessica asked Iron Man "What if she didn't plan on using her powers at all" Iron mans response was "I don't know, Sign now and we'll cross that bridge later"

Biggest problem is that the main supporters aren't sure what the law requires.

[XPac]

Well I remember in New Avengers, when Jessica asked Iron Man "What if she didn't plan on using her powers at all" Iron mans response was "I don't know, Sign now and we'll cross that bridge later"

Biggest problem is that the main supporters aren't sure what the law requires.

I very much doubt Tony isn't aware of what the law requires.

He never said "I don't know." He just said: "We'll deal with that when the time comes."

If in fact the registration didn't force her to fight if they wanted, he would have said so since he's obviously trying to get them on board. But he didn't deny it, or did he say he wasn't sure... he just side stepped the issue which to me was confirmation that she could be drafted if they wanted her to.

[Mothmonsterman]

I very much doubt Tony isn't aware of what the law requires.

He never said "I don't know." He just said: "We'll deal with that when the time comes."

If in fact the registration didn't force her to fight if they wanted, he would have said so since he's obviously trying to get them on board. But he didn't deny it, or did he say he wasn't sure... he just side stepped the issue which to me was confirmation that she could be drafted if they wanted her to.

I'm sure Bendis knows what he wants the law to require, but I doubt it has much to do with what any of the other writers want it to require.

I think it requires that all heroes eat twelve babies a month under Jenkins.

[XPac]

I'm sure Bendis knows what he wants the law to require, but I doubt it has much to do with what any of the other writers want it to require.

I think it requires that all heroes eat twelve babies a month under Jenkins.

I'm willing to bet Bendis, Jenkins, and Millar are all on the same page as far as the registration. At least until I have reason not to.

And frankly I fully expected this to become a draft somewhere in the fine print. I'd be suprised if most people didn't.

I think Bendis and Jenkins are starting the first trickles that will eventually be a gushing tsunami of problems stemming from the registration for the perspective of the pro side. I'm fairly certain many many more people will asking themselves what the hell they signed onto before all is said and done.

[Iron-boy]

is civil war front line really good? or should i pass it?

[phantom1592]

I was always a fan of the New Warriors, and "What happened to Speedball" has been one of the highlights for the whole Civil War Event. I'm enjoying that aspect quite a bit.

Other than that, there isn't a whole lot that's truly needed. A little bit with some very minor characters. That kind of gives you the view that it isn't JUST an Avengers/X-men/Fantastic Four problem, Its a problem that concerns EVERYONE! Again not really needed. I've been collecting for over 20 years and Even I don't know most of these nobodies! I've never even HEARD of them! Thats a claim that i don't find myself making very often ;)

[mandog]

Frontline is without a doubt the weakest book of all the CW crossovers. And I too hate hate hate hate hate hate the end segments of the book. Way to trivialize real and sometimes truely terrible events throughout history, I and I hope you are kidding about the anne frank thing. Pleease be kidding. That would be so damn lame.

[jester1436]

Isn't the Living Mummy or whatever already an agent of SHIELD? How come none of the super-powered monsters are showing up going after heroes?

And the Phone Man guy should be dead as mentioned earlier. Wildstreak is a disabled heroine isn't she? It'd be cool if some of these lesser knowns showed up somewhere after this, a little development with the right writer goes a long way. Maybe do a mainstream Legion of Losers with the real z-list, none of that had your own solo series stuff.

I enjoy Front Line, but some of it really is a hot mess. I like Sally a lot though and really do like Speedball despite disassociating himself from his actions. I'm sure it's some kind of mental thing - if he's around long enough, he'll show breakdown.

[bulbasteve]

Well I remember in New Avengers, when Jessica asked Iron Man "What if she didn't plan on using her powers at all" Iron mans response was "I don't know, Sign now and we'll cross that bridge later"

Biggest problem is that the main supporters aren't sure what the law requires.

He probably just doesn't know about her particular case more than what the law requires. If we are going by the idea that 'drafts' come from being able to get rid of outstanding criminal charges, maybe Iron Man just doesn't know if she has any outstanding vigilante charges or whatever from back when she was in costume or any illegal things her dectective agency may have been involved in, and if so how much leeway she will get with being a retired hero with a kid.

[DamonO]

I can't believe they're actually taking the Living Mummy into custody. Wasn't he one of Nick Fury's Creature Commandos just a few months ago?

They've established a prison in the Negative Zone. That's something they didn't even construct for super VILLAINS. If Stark, Reed, and company had put forth this much effort into capturing and keeping the bad guys behind bars, the whole Stamford incident would've never happened in the first place.
Misplaced priorities.

[bulbasteve]

They've established a prison in the Negative Zone. That's something they didn't even construct for super VILLAINS. If Stark, Reed, and company had put forth this much effort into capturing and keeping the bad guys behind bars, the whole Stamford incident would've never happened in the first place.
Misplaced priorities.

Reed constructed it in Kirkman's FF:Foes. There were no good super prisons left with the Raft having the big prison break and Pym's Big House from She-Hulk wasn't letting in new prisoners because of lawsuits. There would still be a bunch of FF villains still inside it, at least those that didn't join the Thunderbolts program I guess.

[CyberCoyote]

Reed constructed it in Kirkman's FF:Foes. There were no good super prisons left with the Raft having the big prison break and Pym's Big House from She-Hulk wasn't letting in new prisoners because of lawsuits. There would still be a bunch of FF villains still inside it, at least those that didn't join the Thunderbolts program I guess.

I don't think FOES was/should be in continuuity. It was just a horrible blight in Kirkman's past that should be ignored. That they got those supervillains to meet in an abandoned warehouse is..what's the word? Oh, I thought of it but it's not suitable for families :)

My big problem with the detainment center is this, although it may very well be what the big brains intended: It's not on US soil. The SHRA has absolutely NO meaning in an alternate dimension. People can go to Canada to get away from it, how the heck is it supposed to mean squat in the Negative Zone? They get permission from Annihilus to extradite them when they want them back? Maybe it's a round about way to give them their freedom?

And what's with folks loosing their minds over there? Talk about cruel and unusual treatment.

Lastly, SHIELD has to fall at the end of this. There's no way they are being portrayed in this harsh and damned near Nazi-like light by accident.

[Kummi]

in Frontline # 5 on the SHIELD uniform you can read "Supreme...." . Shoulnt that be "Strategic ..."?? Or has SHIELD been renamed again?

[CyberCoyote]

in Frontline # 5 on the SHIELD uniform you can read "Supreme...." . Shoulnt that be "Strategic ..."?? Or has SHIELD been renamed again?

Good catch. Maybe Marvel just wants to subconsciously promote JMS' other work? :)

[Will.S]

Anybody else intruigued by mention of the Sentry and seeing Cloc guide the prisoners into the Negative Zone portal?

It would be very interesting given his namesake if he were on Guard duty over the prison in the Negative Zone but I believe he becomes weaker when he spends too much time there and the Void grows stronger so that would be unwise. We haven't seen hide no hair from Sentry at all during CW which makes me anticipate the NA spotlight on him and Spider-Woman even more.

As for Wonder Man, while I wouldn't say Paul makes him out to be a scumbag, it does come off as odd that he was so relaxed and casual about the the whole embezzlement thing. Makes me wonder what's really going on there. The Embedded part of Frontline was pretty interesting with Green Goblin and Ben Urich as well as whatever is going on with GG.

Having JJJ fire Urich is where it goes over the edge and I didn't really expect for Jonah to do that but I'm interested in where that goes for Ben. I'm actually more interested to see who the guy was that was talking to Sally as it could be any number of people that have gone underground although Punisher/Nick Fury/US Agent sound about right.

[CyberCoyote]

nd Ben Urich as well as whatever is going on with GG. Having JJJ fire Urich is where it goes over the edge and I didn't really expect for Jonah to do that but I'm interested in where that goes for Ben. I'm actually more interested to see who the guy was that was talking to Sally as it could be any number of people that have gone underground although Punisher/Nick Fury/US Agent sound about right.

Now that Parker is outed, why wouldn't Ben try to send a message to him saying, "Holy crap, Osborn just came after me! Your guys say he's in prison but it was him! Please find out what's going on?" If I was him and thought that psycho was after me I sure as heck would try to contact Spider-Man..

[Subotai]

I thought Banana Man was Daredevil. Mainly because of the lawyer comment

I don't think so, unless his poor speaking was a disguise (never heard DD use "an'" for "and" in a sentence before). I'd say the same thing about Punny, but Punny also worries about the innocent civilians.

[Will.S]

Now that Parker is outed, why wouldn't Ben try to send a message to him saying, "Holy crap, Osborn just came after me! Your guys say he's in prison but it was him! Please find out what's going on?" If I was him and thought that psycho was after me I sure as heck would try to contact Spider-Man..
That's a good point, especially considering their 3 way confrontation in The Pulse arc Thin Air.

[Kummi]

Good catch. Maybe Marvel just wants to subconsciously promote JMS' other work? :)

who is JMS ? how is he involved with Frontline?:confused:

[Kummi]

i am slow...
for me supreme is always associated with marc gruenwald, not with JMS, although the latter does a very good job.

[jackolover]

Anybody else intruigued by mention of the Sentry and seeing Cloc guide the prisoners into the Negative Zone portal?

Yes, there was a mention, come to think of it. I don't know why they have Sentry and cloc as overseers, if Richards and Zemo have put '42' together.
Maybe they do need a last resort in case of a breakout attempt? But we still don't officially know that the Frontline 5 facility is '42' yet. They're calling it Fantasy Island. Is that because the prisoners get put into a hybination post and fed dreamland, like in TBolts 103? But maybe Richards doesn't trust Zemo, and suspects Zemo will help people break out, so Richards used Sentry as a fail safe. It all gets very paranoid when you think of it like this.

[joeybdot]

Frontline has been the best book throughout this entire series so far. I ALWAYS look forward to this book before anything else. The story revolving around Speedball is getting better and better! ME so Happy!

[Will.S]

Yes, there was a mention, come to think of it. I don't know why they have Sentry and cloc as overseers, if Richards and Zemo have put '42' together.I can see a connection there basing it on the current Iron Man book since S.H.I.E.L.D. recruits Sentry to stop a rogue Iron Man but yeah there's still nothing else that shows what Sentry's deal is. I need that NA Sentry CW tie-in now!

Maybe they do need a last resort in case of a breakout attempt? But we still don't officially know that the Frontline 5 facility is '42' yet. They're calling it Fantasy Island. Is that because the prisoners get put into a hybination post and fed dreamland, like in TBolts 103? But maybe Richards doesn't trust Zemo, and suspects Zemo will help people break out, so Richards used Sentry as a fail safe. It all gets very paranoid when you think of it like this. Perhaps the T-Bolts role will revolve around the facility instead of Sentry, that would be pretty interesting to me since they're entrusted with the prison but are able to use the people inside for their schemes.

[Blackcat]

Who were those 2 SHIELD chicks blackmailing Wonderman?

Were it Agent Hill and Sharon Carter?

.

[Haunt]

Who were those 2 SHIELD chicks blackmailing Wonderman?

Were it Agent Hill and Sharon Carter?

.


nope. random female SHIELD droogs.

[Cody H]

The Negative Zone, huh? Very nice, damn good way to ensure super-powered prisoners aren't going to be escaping. It's for a great idea for say, oh, I don't know... Supervillains maybe? Sure beats the raft. As far as other things go, I enjoyed this one very much, Frontline continues to be a pleasant suprise. Not sure where things are going with Osborne but it makes for good reading.

[Blackcat]

In the last story we see Spiderman, Ironman and a few masked figures. Does anyone know these people?

[PaxHouse]

In the last story we see Spiderman, Ironman and a few masked figures. Does anyone know these people?

This was already answered by Lonewolf36 within this posting......

And his response is within this Link (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=138212&page=7) and will give you the answers you seek......;) :cool:

[Lonewolf36]

In the last story we see Spiderman, Ironman and a few masked figures. Does anyone know these people?

One i forgot to add.
Lectronn http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/lectronnma.htm

[Markavian]

nope. random female SHIELD droogs.Are all Female SHEILD Agents so damned Sexy? I havent Seen one yet that looks like Janet Reno..Not that I want to mind you!!:eek:

[DEWLine]

nope. random female SHIELD droogs.

Agreed and confirmed.

[DEWLine]

Are all Female SHEILD Agents so damned Sexy? I havent Seen one yet that looks like Janet Reno..Not that I want to mind you!!:eek:

Only some of the deep-cover agents. A lot of places, they don't want their agents noticed in that way...

[Blackcat]

I still do not understand they used random SHIELD agents to talk to Wonderman. There are so many known agents they could have used like Quake, GW Bridge, Sharon Carter, Hill etc.

[Jmacq1]

Are all Female SHEILD Agents so damned Sexy? I havent Seen one yet that looks like Janet Reno..Not that I want to mind you!!:eek:

Well, they're probably SHIELD agents assigned to the "Los Angeles/Hollywood office", so they have to look good to be able to "fit in".

After all, you can't really assume an undercover identity as an actress or model if you don't have the looks to back it up. ;)

[scottv]

I was a little confused. When does Frontline 5 take place. I thought that it was pretty far into the war but in the last part when it is talking about the two brothers who faught in the Civil War, Spider-man is in his old suit. Does anyone have any ideas about this?

[The Shelf]

I was a little confused. When does Frontline 5 take place. I thought that it was pretty far into the war but in the last part when it is talking about the two brothers who faught in the Civil War, Spider-man is in his old suit. Does anyone have any ideas about this?

The parallels don't really have any bearing on the actual Frontline storylines. But about the old Spidey costume.... I dunno, maybe whoever drew it just liked the old costume better. :)

It doesn't really make any difference considering it's not part of continuity.

[phantom1592]

I was a little confused. When does Frontline 5 take place. I thought that it was pretty far into the war but in the last part when it is talking about the two brothers who faught in the Civil War, Spider-man is in his old suit. Does anyone have any ideas about this?


Well, his NEW suit can imitate his Old suit with the push of a button, so I don't think that's going to be any indication.

[Haunt]

Are all Female SHEILD Agents so damned Sexy? I havent Seen one yet that looks like Janet Reno..Not that I want to mind you!!:eek:


they only recruit from Hooters restaraunts, model agencies, and beauty pageants. that and Fury was a dirty old man.

[phantom1592]

they only recruit from Hooters restaraunts, model agencies, and beauty pageants. that and Fury was a dirty old man.

Well in his defense. If I only had one eye, I'd be a little particular what I look at too. ;)