Series that have run out of steam?

[trickster]

What current series are out of steam for you? I'd have to say Catwoman and Nightwing. What's your pick (if any)?

[tk421atpost]

Both The Outsiders and Teen Titans have pretty much died off for me.

[ForEverAncien]

Supergirl...

[titanfan]

Both The Outsiders and Teen Titans have pretty much died off for me.

Have you tried Titans OYL? Imho, it was in a slump during IC, but it's back now.

[mrc1214]

Both The Outsiders and Teen Titans have pretty much died off for me.

The Titans are going pretty strong right now and theres a new plot coming up that seems to be very promising.

[marshal99]

Supergirl...

Ha ! That series ran out of steam the moment it was announced that they are coming out with one. ;) Supergirl sucks.

[tk421atpost]

Have you tried Titans OYL? Imho, it was in a slump during IC, but it's back now.

I've read every issue of it so far and will be dropping it soon if it doesn't pick up with the next issue or two.

[geordiesteve]

Supergirl. Started badly on the relaunch, then got worse.

[Andy S.]

I hate to say this, but Green Lantern has been dissapointing ever since the first three issue "No Fear" arc. The next few issues after brought a confusing, directionless story involving aliens, Hector Hall and Black Hand which could have gone somewhere but didn't. I took a break for a few issues and then came back to it with issue #10, hoping that the OYL would bring focus to this book. As of issue #12, I can once again drop this book without any regret.

It isn't neccessary to fill up 4 whole issues with a story about an old 90s villian returning and using the Manhunters as his soldiers. Or whatever- the whole motivation for this is still unclear- but i just don't care enough to find out. I understand that the Global Guardians are being introduced and will play a part in future stories- but they don't come across as threatening in any way. They are more like 90s re-hashes, IMO.

[Rich L]

Outsiders, Green Lantern, Hawkgirl and Nightwing lost me one issue into OYL; Catwoman started strong but has waned for me, and I'm only staying to find out who fathered Selina's baby. Aquaman lost me after two issues. Supergirl I'm sticking with for some unknown reason even though it's terrible. Manhunter - which I've been a booster of since #1 - was on the verge of losing me but I'm staying loyal to #30.

Teen Titans and Robin are both surprisingly strong, and the big 4 books - Tec, Action, Batman and Superman - are all on a roll right now.

[Dr Ray Palmer]

I think Teen Titans is the book that has benefited the most from the OYL jump -- I was really losing interest in it, and apart from "Titans Tomorrow" (which I loved), I have trouble thinking of a story from the year or so pre-OYL that I really thoroughly enjoyed. But since OYL, I think it's completely turned around, and I'm now enjoying it more than I think I ever have.

I dropped Hawkgirl and Nightwing after one issue of OYL.

Outsiders really feels like it's been floundering to me, and I'd been thinking about dropping it after the current issue, but now I'm curious about Grace's big secret so I expect I will stick around just to see what happens with that.

[trickster]

Teen Titans I wouldn't exactly consider to be out of steam. The storyline is pretty gripping at the moment. But there are some series that IMO have been running way too long and kinda overstayed their welcome, kinda like an aging pornstar :p

[The Shadow]

overstayed their welcome, kinda like an aging pornstar :p
Hey now! Ginger Lynn has proved she still has some years left! ;)

Anywhoo...

I agree with Green Lantern and Nightwing. Especially Nightwing which should have been put out of its misery after 100... if not earlier.

Had this thread been started during IC I would have said the Titans as well, but DAMN if OYL hasn't picked that book up!

[drwho]

I initially was enjoying Night Wing and Outsiders alot. What I decided to do was to drop all DC books because I wasn't getting excited when I read them. I would read the monthly solicits and be like soo... Sounds boring. So I would say all the books have run out of steam.

[Zero Hunter]

I would say Supergirl/Legion of Super Heroes. This book is nearing 2 years old and for the most part it has been so damn boring and preachy. We get a boring first storyline that lasted over a year and then Supergirl shows up. I thought that things were picking up after she came on but after 3 issues it is right back to being the same boring read it was before. I am not sure what Waid was going for with this relaunch, but if it was excitment and wonder he has pretty failed very big.

[Sean Walsh]

Well, Marv Wolfman's not only taking over NIGHTWING for several issues (with Dan Jurgens) - starting with #125 - but his run has just been extended beyond the original plan of 4-6 issues.... :)

[trickster]

Hey now! Ginger Lynn has proved she still has some years left! ;)

Anywhoo...

I agree with Green Lantern and Nightwing. Especially Nightwing which should have been put out of its misery after 100... if not earlier.

Had this thread been started during IC I would have said the Titans as well, but DAMN if OYL hasn't picked that book up!

Hmm, yeah, but the new GL series isn't exactly old. And besides the Cyborg stortline seem interesting. Which is far more then I can say about Catwoman's baby or that awful latest Nightwing story, where I couldn't even tell NW apart from Jason. Damn, I just got reminded how dissapointed I am that Jason returned in style and now seems to be neglected, while Bucky returned in a cliched and contrived fashion that abused a lot of outdated stuff (Soviet Union is so passe, it's been pushing daisies for years now), and now I'm actually interested in what happens to him and what he does.

[phantom1592]

Nightwing is done, Teen Titans... I just don't like the new team OYL.

Green lantern has been better than ever. I mostly stuck with it till it found its feet, and i'm glad I did. Since OYL I can't wait for each issue to come out.

[Scarlet Speedster]

I'd have to say Green Arrow. I really enjoyed the first fifty issues, but it just seem to have any direction right now. It used to be on the top of my "must-read first" pile, but now it's at the bottom. I'm not going to drop it anytime soon, but I really hope Judd Winick can revitalize Ollie or otherwise DC can put a new writer on the book (I believe sales have steadily declined until the OYL tie-ins).

[phantom1592]

yep, Forgot GA. It started to slow down about the time Mia became Speedy for me. Hoped it would pick up OYL.



It didn't.

[Ontir]

Supergirl and the Legion of Super-Heroes!!!

There's more vitality in that last sentence than in any 6 issues combined!

[TheTen-EyedMan]

Supergirl and the Legion of Super-Heroes!!!

There's more vitality in that last sentence than in any 6 issues combined!

I've read it every month since the "relaunch" and I have to say the only thing that comes to mind is:

http://www.thehighhat.com/Marginalia/005/seaguy_chubby.jpg

[shaxper]

Well, Marv Wolfman's not only taking over NIGHTWING for several issues (with Dan Jurgens) - starting with #125 - but his run has just been extended beyond the original plan of 4-6 issues.... :)


Damn. That's great news. If anyone understands Dick and is capable of taking him back to his roots, it's Marv Wolfman.

[Ontir]

I've read it every month since the "relaunch" and I have to say the only thing that comes to mind is:

http://www.thehighhat.com/Marginalia/005/seaguy_chubby.jpg


I've no idea what this means. :confused:

[trickster]

LOL Ten Eyed Man!

[Sean Walsh]

I've no idea what this means. :confused:

I gather it means talking fish don't get what Waid's doing....?

[OzBat!]

I dropped Green Lantern with issue #10, because it had just lost all interest for me. And then I made the mistake of looking at #13, OYL and suddenly it's a whole different ballgame... dammit!

[MarsCactus]

I picked up GL right at the start of the current arc- did it suck before that? The recent issues seemed great to me....

[Meta 05]

I have seen improvement with OYL in alot of titles the few that have really gone down hill thou

Hawkgirl
Nightwing
Catwomen

[TheTen-EyedMan]

I've no idea what this means. :confused:

I'm sorry...I thought everyone had read Seaguy. It's Grant Morrison, don't you know.

Here's Wikipedia's take on it.

Seaguy is a super-hero who has never really had an adventure and spends his days in New Venice playing chess with Death, watching Mickey Eye (a cartoon show about an all-seeing, all-knowing eye, and an obvious spoof on Mickey Mouse) and going to the Mickey Eye amusement park. He constantly expresses his wish to go on adventures and impress a beautiful bearded warrior woman named She-Beard but he never seems to get around to it because he's told the world doesn't need heroes anymore. However, when Seaguy and Chubby discover that a new food staple called Xoo is sentient, they decide to protect it from evil forces and bring it home.

Seaguy exists in a world in which all the super-heroes are told that no longer needed by society and live mundane adventureless lives. It seems that heroes no longer save lives or do much of everything except ride the rides at the Mickey Eye amusement park. It is public knowledge that all the evil in the world was finally destroyed after a powerful entity called the Anti-Dad was destroyed by all the super-heroes, effectively leaving the heroes without jobs.

The style of the book is equal parts dark tragedy and light-hearted whimsy as the main character travels from one adventure to the other, but with each adventure becoming more tragic than the one before it, until Seaguy discovers the secret history of the moon. A sequel was planned entitled "the Slaves of Mickey Eye", but due to the fact that Seaguy didn't sell too well, it is unsure if a sequel will materialize.

Morrison has expressed on various occasions that Seaguy represents a deliberate effort to move away from conventions of the "silver age" of comics, "I had the idea to develop Seaguy into a weapon I could use to fight back against the trendy and unconvincing 'bad-ass' cynicism of current comics, most of which are produced by the most un-'bad-ass' men you can possibly imagine". Morrison believes that in this fashion the work represents a new vanguard in the development of the comics.

[CarolStrick]

Wonder Woman?

I mean, issue #2 STILL hasn't come out. And we've been told that the real WW won't be WW in the first five issues. That sounds out of steam to me... though I'm praying (to Athena, of course) that I'm wrong.

Since I dropped Legion AGAIN, I guess that means it's out of steam. I gave it the ol' college try, though.

Faux-Supergirl never had steam to begin with.

I'm wondering what all the growing murmur is for Teen Titans. It's definitely steam-free to my eyes. I might be dropping it soon, but this character who calls herself "Wonder Girl" is moping around in it...

[Gozwald73]

I'm struggling with Aquaman since OYL - it's boring. If it doesn't improve I'll have to drop. Atom is also heading nowhere fast.

[Windbreaker]

Wow, I'm stunned by the anti-GL sentiment out there. I came close to dropping the title just to save some change, but it's all killer no filler right now. Especially OYL.

90s characters in the mix? Who cares! I'll tell you why I don't care... Geoff Johns can tell a great story full of rich history without makine a new reader feel left out. (psst.. I'm enjoying TITANS OYL, too...)

Books out of steam...
BATGIRL. Done anyway... I hate myself for buying the final arc.
NIGHTWING. Marv's upcoming arc is not nearly enough motivation for me.
WONDER WOMAN. Don't hate it... I'm just not pumped like I was during IC.

[Babylon23]

It's interesting, because I'm loving a lot of the books people are criticising at the moment - Aquaman, Catwoman, GL. I think Titans has really benefitted from the jump.

Nightwing is pretty bad OYL (I didn't read it before then), but with Wolfman coming onboard shortly, the book could get a real shot in the arm.

I've been buying Outsiders in trade, and have been pretty disappointed in the last couple of books. From what people have said, the book hasn't really picked up with the OYL jump.

[Peter M.]

I picked up GL right at the start of the current arc- did it suck before that? Not really.

[Kyle_Ion]

The only DC Comics that I read are the green lantern series, and I have to say that I really enjoy the GL series and I don't see the series running out of steam.

[Lonewalker]

Green Lantern. Though Crimson Fox was a good sight.

[Agentum]

Supergirl, Nightwing, this is real bad comics to be published today.
I would be ashamed if i put that crap out.

[Captain Jim]

First, let me say there's a big difference in a series that's run out of steam and needs to be cancelled and a creator who's run out of steam and needs to be replaced.

As far as the former, only Outsiders comes immediately to mind.

As far as the latter, definitely Nightwing (but that's already happening) and Green Arrow (can't figure out why Winnick was left there when everyone else got moved OYL).

Not sure why Catwoman's being mentioned. I've really been looking forward to and enjoying the OYL issues (and I didn't really expect to). I also loved the first issue of Wonder Woman and can't believe it's being mentioned.

On the other hand, the Flash relaunch was one of the most boring things I've ever read! If things don't improve big time right quick, I think it needs different creative blood.

At least that's my take on many of the titles that have been mentioned repeatedly already.

[Taskmaster]

Titles don't run out of steam in my opinion, writers do, books like Nightwing just need fresh writing not to be cancelled

[amirab]

Teen Titans are not going anywhere in my opinion. Maybe when they find where Raven is, it will pick up some steam. Maybe.

[SleepWalker]

Hawkman once it turned into Hawkgirl. I've got nothing against Simonson, but Palmiotti and Gray were doing some really good stuff with Hawkman and now, it's just mediocre.

[PastePotPete]

I don't think Green Lantern has run out of steam. Johns has this habit, though, where he wants to fix continuity and put all the pieces back on the board before he starts really playing with him. For example: Bringing back every dead Green Lantern in the current storyline. Not necessary. We had all the GLs we wanted: Kilowog, Kyle, Guy, John, Salaak. So, yeah, the current storyline is mired in continuity, but I wouldn't say it's run out of steam. It's just Johns revving his engines again and putting all his little pieces back on the board.

And I agree that some of these titles don't need cancellation, just new blood.

I'd love to see someone else on Green Arrow. I think Winick's gotten a nice long run with the character and it's time to give someone else a shot. No pun intended.

It's a crime what's been done with Nightwing, but remember they were going to kill him off so it's not surprising his book sucks right now. I'm VERY excited about Wolfman and Jurgens. I'll plunk down my 3.00 for that team.

[GeorgeG]

I think DC in general has run out of steam. A lot of their books are poor. Everything seems to be a big mess because of IC, 52 and OYL.

[kel25]

Green Lantern
Teen Titans
Outsiders
Robin
Catwoman
Nightwing (Really bad for years. New hope for it with Marv)
Supergirl (Did it ever have steam?)
Green Lantern Corps (I want to like this one but the mini wasn't that great)

[Agentum]

Titles can run out of steam after all most of them end without a proper ending.
I think DC has a lot of bad comics right now, i hope that when this crisis stuff is over that they can start consentrate on other things than editor driven storys (that often is a very bad thing)

Wolfman may turn Nightwing to something good again, i hope he just ignore most of what the 2 writers before him came up with, it was almost insulting bad with the last writer, how the hell could they think his script were good?
Or maybe editors don't work that hard today to put out something with quality in.

Supergirl is pure garbage, Loeb must have sliped and hurt his brain or something, everything was one big fight and stupid things like Supergirl almost stranglig the worlds maybe most powerfull telepath, it was silly, he could have made her think she was an cockroach befor she could even move, and that stupid thing with the seasoned Flash forget that he is on the moon, i hated it all.
Writes that don't bother to get some facts on the character before witing is just hacks to me, don't put them on ongoing books.

Outsders is not good either, it's just boring to me like they have lost the concept, i rather reread the 80s series Outsiders.

I'm begining to sound whiny here:D
I'm not that hot for Blue Beetle either most because i'm tired of the Spider-man storys over and over again, they should have come up with a new character instead of spitting on Ditkos creation.

Still there is good books out there, but i think comics overal was better a couple of years ago.

[Captain Jim]

So far Blue Beetle has done nothing for me. I can't imagine it'll be around very long. Paradoxically, I think if they had tried a new run with Ted Kord, it probably would have sold better than this new book (at least after the first six months or so).

[Captain Jim]

My biggest fear with Nightwing right now is that Didio is just treading water with Wolfman until he comes up with somebody he thinks is more marketable.

[jwd]

So far Blue Beetle has done nothing for me. I can't imagine it'll be around very long. Paradoxically, I think if they had tried a new run with Ted Kord, it probably would have sold better than this new book (at least after the first six months or so).

It might of but I don't see it lasting any longer. I never saw any clamoring for characters like Ted Kord ... until after he was shot in the head.

Ted had shown up in books like Birds of Prey in recent years. In today's market though I don't think Ted Kord could carry his own book. About the only thing fans could hope for is to see him on a team book. Even team-books don't seem that sucessful unless you stick the big 3 on there though. I know Ted is a very different character from Batman but I imagine the higher ups at DC would prefer to just put the more marketable Batman on the book and let him invent stuff for the teams. Leaving Ted to do the occasional appearances in random titles.

[Captain Jim]

Oh, I don't think Ted could have carried a book longterm either. But I just don't think this new kid will do any better (if as well).

[jwd]

Oh, I don't think Ted could have carried a book longterm either. But I just don't think this new kid will do any better (if as well).

Ah okay. So we agree then. :)

I think in today's market you have to have the following words in the title or be a character very closely connected to ones with it

Bat
Super
Spider
X
J (start of an acronym) or Justice
Avenger
Green

Other than that I'd say the rest are just "temporary series"

[Agentum]

His series was 24 books in the 80s, wonder if this new one will last longer?
Ted Kord at least was a funny backupcharacter, i don't like the new one at all.

But then again i really liked the JLI/E era and current DC deciders hates that period.

[Francis]

My biggest fear with Nightwing right now is that Didio is just treading water with Wolfman until he comes up with somebody he thinks is more marketable.

More marketable on Nightwing than Wolfman? That would be who exactly?

[Captain Jim]

Hey, I'm looking forward to Marv personally, but he hasn't been considered marketable for ages. In fact, he's been begging DC for some writing gigs for years and years now, and they've never been interested. I just don't trust Didio to have suddenly done a complete turnaround on this.

[Captain Jim]

Ah okay. So we agree then. :)

Don't we always? ;)

[DonC]

My biggest fear with Nightwing right now is that Didio is just treading water with Wolfman until he comes up with somebody he thinks is more marketable.


Wolfman was only supposed to do 8 issues, but is staying on longer. Curiously, no one has said how much longer.

[Captain Jim]

It does seem pretty clear that it's not an open ended contract, though.

[TheTen-EyedMan]

More marketable on Nightwing than Wolfman? That would be who exactly?


Andersen Gabrych.

I'd want him back on a bat-title.

[trickster]

Hey, I'm looking forward to Marv personally, but he hasn't been considered marketable for ages.

Maybe not, but his IC Special was the best part of the Crisis :D.

[DonC]

It does seem pretty clear that it's not an open ended contract, though.


Yeah, he's supposed to be at Dragon*Con in a couple of weeks. I'm going to ask him about it then.