John Stewart as Green Lantern in new JLA?

[Oke-Doke]

Ok, I'm just starting to collect Justice League of America and picked up issue zero, odd to me as they are a classic series, but anyhow a new crew is being formed. I saw a cover for the next issue and it had him and Green Arrow standing out. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping he becomes a Leaguer, but I don't know what writers think about him in the comics. Given what I have seen on JLU, he would make an awsome addition and neat personality to have on the team. At the same time, I get the gist that Kyle Rayner is the prominent GL since Hal Jordans death. Can you guys tell me the chances of John be selected?

[CaptainAwesome]

Ok, I'm just starting to collect Justice League of America and picked up issue zero, odd to me as they are a classic series, but anyhow a new crew is being formed. I saw a cover for the next issue and it had him and Green Arrow standing out. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping he becomes a Leaguer, but I don't know what writers think about him in the comics. Given what I have seen on JLU, he would make an awsome addition and neat personality to have on the team. At the same time, I get the gist that Kyle Rayner is the prominent GL since Hal Jordans death. Can you guys tell me the chances of John be selected?
I think the GL in the new JLA will be Hal. Since his ressurection writers want to put him everywhere and the dynamic he creates with Batman is hard to beat. I also know Meltzer loves GA, so he will most likely be on the team.

John Stewart is probably the best contender if Jordan doesnt join, but since DC wants to return to the silver age I doubt he will.

Also, just FYI, Rayner isnt exactly a GL at the moment. I dont know the details, but he calls himself Ion.

[Oke-Doke]

I think the GL in the new JLA will be Hal. Since his ressurection writers want to put him everywhere and the dynamic he creates with Batman is hard to beat. I also know Meltzer loves GA, so he will most likely be on the team.

John Stewart is probably the best contender if Jordan doesnt join, but since DC wants to return to the silver age I doubt he will.

Also, just FYI, Rayner isnt exactly a GL at the moment. I dont know the details, but he calls himself Ion.

Well atleast Kyle Rayner is out of contention. I know nothing about Hal Jordan personality wise or his skill with a power ring, so I can't judge him. Either way I'm sure it will be a great book, but getting John onboard would be a nice bonus.

[Desaad]

Well atleast Kyle Rayner is out of contention. I know nothing about Hal Jordan personality wise or his skill with a power ring, so I can't judge him. Either way I'm sure it will be a great book, but getting John onboard would be a nice bonus.

In terms of skill with the ring, he's time and time again referred to as the greatest Green Lantern ever. He was actually offerred leadership of the Green Lantern Corps.

[mrc1214]

In terms of skill with the ring, he's time and time again referred to as the greatest Green Lantern ever. He was actually offerred leadership of the Green Lantern Corps.

Who are you talking about Kyle or Hal?? And who is the leader of the GL Corps Killowag??

[curefreak]

Ok, I'm just starting to collect Justice League of America and picked up issue zero, odd to me as they are a classic series, but anyhow a new crew is being formed. I saw a cover for the next issue and it had him and Green Arrow standing out. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping he becomes a Leaguer, but I don't know what writers think about him in the comics. Given what I have seen on JLU, he would make an awsome addition and neat personality to have on the team. At the same time, I get the gist that Kyle Rayner is the prominent GL since Hal Jordans death. Can you guys tell me the chances of John be selected?
you will have to understand that john in the jlu and john in the comics are different creatures.

[Cayman]

I would be very surprised if they didn't use Hal. GL is one of DC's top-sellers right now. Not using Hal in the JLA would be like not using Wolverine in the Avengers.

Cay

[Oke-Doke]

you will have to understand that john in the jlu and john in the comics are different creatures.

Alright...how different are they? Please don't tell me he has a monster ego or is a coward.

[CaptainAwesome]

Who are you talking about Kyle or Hal?? And who is the leader of the GL Corps Killowag??
Hal is considered the greatest GL. The leaders of the GLC are the Guardians of the Universe, little blue guys that are very mysterious and powerful.

Oke-Doke, all of the GLs are pretty egotistical, that just comes with the whole fearless thing. Its really just a matter of how much the writer wants to play that up.

[CaptainAwesome]

Who are you talking about Kyle or Hal?? And who is the leader of the GL Corps Killowag??
Hal is considered the greatest GL. The leaders of the GLC are the Guardians of the Universe, little blue guys that are very mysterious and powerful.

Oke-Doke, all of the GLs are pretty egotistical, that just comes with the whole fearless thing. Its really just a matter of how much the writer wants to play that up.

[mrc1214]

Hal is considered the greatest GL. The leaders of the GLC are the Guardians of the Universe, little blue guys that are very mysterious and powerful.

Oke-Doke, all of the GLs are pretty egotistical, that just comes with the whole fearless thing. Its really just a matter of how much the writer wants to play that up.

I thought the Guardians were just like a high council who gives the rings to the GLs. There's no GL who is considered a leader.

[bfrank]

John's been the league's lantern for a few years now.....

[caats19]

i still say it'll be john and hal in the jla.

[Babylon23]

Personally, I'd like to see John in the new JLA. Hal already has his own series, Guy is one of the main characters in JLC, and Kyle is appearing in Ion. John is the only GL left out in the cold post-IC. JLA would be the ideal home for him.

Oke-Doke: John in the comics is an architect, not a military man. He's not quite the serious-minded individual he is in JLU.

[BeastieRunner]

John should be in the new JLA because I'm liking Hal in Ion and the Corps.

[Smarty Jones]

"you will have to understand that john in the jlu and john in the comics are different creatures."

IMO, that seems to be lost in the translation with quite a few people who think the John Stewart in the comic books is a carryover from the one in the "Justice League" cartoons. I've heard some people even suggest that Stewart is actually the definitive Green Lantern, which of course is based on the animated series.

The reality is that in terms of relevance, Stewart is likely the No. 5 Earth-born GL in the DC Universe, after in no specific order Hal Jordan, Alan Scott, Kyle Rayner and Guy Gardner. The comic book Stewart is a former architect who initially was too belligerent to authority figures. However, his temperment is much more sedated, possibly to the point where he was too reactive, according to Gardner in "Green Lantern: Rebirth."

The "JL" Stewart, on the other hand, is a hard-line military type, more along the lines of The X-Men's Bishop. Obviously, in "JL" Stewart is the only GL on Earth -- Jordan, Scott and Gardner did not exist and Rayner was explained away as training in another sector so Stewart can have Sector 2814 to himself.

[Cayman]

Hal is considered the greatest GL. The leaders of the GLC are the Guardians of the Universe, little blue guys that are very mysterious and powerful.

Oke-Doke, all of the GLs are pretty egotistical, that just comes with the whole fearless thing. Its really just a matter of how much the writer wants to play that up.

Dream told Kyle that he'd surpass Hal. I agree with Dream.

Cay

[Oke-Doke]

IMO, that seems to be lost in the translation with quite a few people who think the John Stewart in the comic books is a carryover from the one in the "Justice League" cartoons. I've heard some people even suggest that Stewart is actually the definitive Green Lantern, which of course is based on the animated series.

The reality is that in terms of relevance, Stewart is likely the No. 5 Earth-born GL in the DC Universe, after in no specific order Hal Jordan, Alan Scott, Kyle Rayner and Guy Gardner. The comic book Stewart is a former architect who initially was too belligerent to authority figures. However, his temperment is much more sedated, possibly to the point where he was too reactive, according to Gardner in "Green Lantern: Rebirth."

The "JL" Stewart, on the other hand, is a hard-line military type, more along the lines of The X-Men's Bishop. Obviously, in "JL" Stewart is the only GL on Earth -- Jordan, Scott and Gardner did not exist and Rayner was explained away as training in another sector so Stewart can have Sector 2814 to himself.

Stewart is number 5 :eek: , oh no, the writers have to do something about that. John as an architect is definetly different, but it would help with forming energy constructs. DC must know that his JLU fans are going to be looking for him in the comics, like myself, and make some amendments to his persona. They should not let John's chance to shine pass over.

[CaptainAwesome]

Dream told Kyle that he'd surpass Hal. I agree with Dream.

Cay
Hal would poop on Kyle. Kyle is a wuss, DCs answer to Spider-Man. There is no way that Kyle can surpass Hal.

Guy, on the other hand, poops on them all.

[Cayman]

Hal would poop on Kyle. Kyle is a wuss, DCs answer to Spider-Man. There is no way that Kyle can surpass Hal.

Guy, on the other hand, poops on them all.

I wouldn't argue with the Endless. They are hardcore.

Cay

[Smarty Jones]

"Stewart is number 5 :eek: , oh no, the writers have to do something about that. John as an architect is definetly different, but it would help with forming energy constructs. DC must know that his JLU fans are going to be looking for him in the comics, like myself, and make some amendments to his persona. They should not let John's chance to shine pass over."

I feel "Justice League" fans need to recognize that the John Stewart in the comic books has been around a lot longer (the early 1970s) than the cartoon version, and it's a decidedly different version of that character with a different standing in the DC Universe.

Stewart was in The JLA for quite some time, but I feel that was for it to coincide with the "JL" cartoons being on Cartoon Network. He may be kept in The JLA to give exposure to yet another GL while the other four are in other books, but I would not be surprised if Hal Jordan is put back into the JLA.

[OzBat!]

Dream didn't say how Kyle would surpass Hal. And it's been pretty well implied since, that it was because Kyle knew how to operate with fear, something none of other GLs could do previously. It's what allowed the Parallax entity to get into their heads, while Kyle could resist.

Plus, there's the whole "handled the excess power as Ion better than Jordan did as Parallax" thing. And I always felt Kyle was far more creative with the ring than Jordan.

Probably the thing I dislike most about this new incarnation of the GL Corps, is the AI of the rings. It always used to be there, but I found I liked it NOT being there during Rayner's run in the series. And now, it's being played to the hilt, doing a lot of things automatically that GL used to have to concentrate on.

Jordan's strengths were always in his fearlessness, and his drive and willpower combined. He could force a result where lesser lanterns failed. And he did it often enough in the high-pressure everything-on-the-line situations to earn his reputation as the number one corps member. I think in that regard he's probably still beyond Rayner.

[Xero]

Wasn't John Stewart the first or second person Hal chose as his backup? So how is he number five? I'd say Charlie Vickers was number five if you don't count Alan Scott.

[CaptainAwesome]

Wasn't John Stewart the first or second person Hal chose as his backup? So how is he number five? I'd say Charlie Vickers was number five if you don't count Alan Scott.
Stewart is usually ignored in the DCU, and is only used when Hal and the rest are out of town. Think about it: Scott is the first, Jordan is the best, Gardener is the loudmouth, and Rayner is the torch bearer. Stewart, at least in the comics, doesnt fill a role that isnt already being filled by a character that people like more. I hate to say it, but outside being a token black guy he doesnt really do much. In fact, I think DC should give him a mini or something to really define his role in the DCU.

[OzBat!]

That's what Cosmic Odyssey leading into GL:Mosiac were all about.

[CaptainAwesome]

That's what Cosmic Odyssey leading into GL:Mosiac were all about.
As far as I've heard those were pretty terrible and/or not in continuity.

[Xero]

As far as I've heard those were pretty terrible and/or not in continuity.

According to Geoff they are both in continuity. So that makes John the only Green Lantern to ever become a Guardian.

http://www.newsarama.com/WW_Chicago_06/DCUniverse.html

[Smarty Jones]

"Stewart is usually ignored in the DCU, and is only used when Hal and the rest are out of town. Think about it: Scott is the first, Jordan is the best, Gardener is the loudmouth, and Rayner is the torch bearer. Stewart, at least in the comics, doesnt fill a role that isnt already being filled by a character that people like more. I hate to say it, but outside being a token black guy he doesnt really do much. In fact, I think DC should give him a mini or something to really define his role in the DCU."

I agree with this. Hal Jordan is the character on which the contemporary Green Lantern mythos is based (the Guardians, Oa, the Green Lantern Corps) -- so that automatically puts him ahead of Kyle Rayner, Guy Gardner and John Stewart. In the comic book realm, he is the character mostly associated as Green Lantern as a Silver Age mainstay.

Alan Scott was the first Green Lantern, and is a major contributor to The Justice Society of America. He has a high standing in the DC Universe as an elder statesman.

Kyle Rayner was the dominant (and for a long time, the ONLY) Green Lantern in the DC Universe. Like Jordan, he was one of the top superheroes in DC -- in part because of his power ring, but also in part because of his then-uniqueness.

Guy Gardner has a long standing as a fan favorite from the Giffen "JLA" days.

Of those characters, John Stewart may pass Gardner on the list in terms of stature -- but even that is debatable at best.

[Patient Boy]

Kyle Rayner was the dominant (and for a long time, the ONLY) Green Lantern in the DC Universe.

It's a wonder the DCU didn't simply collapse without a Green Lantern patrolling every sector of the universe.

[mr_evilweed]

I hope DC chooses John, JLU really made me favor him. Besides, the others have their own stuff going on.

[Babylon23]

I agree with this. Hal Jordan is the character on which the contemporary Green Lantern mythos is based (the Guardians, Oa, the Green Lantern Corps) -- so that automatically puts him ahead of Kyle Rayner, Guy Gardner and John Stewart. In the comic book realm, he is the character mostly associated as Green Lantern as a Silver Age mainstay.

Alan Scott was the first Green Lantern, and is a major contributor to The Justice Society of America. He has a high standing in the DC Universe as an elder statesman.

Kyle Rayner was the dominant (and for a long time, the ONLY) Green Lantern in the DC Universe. Like Jordan, he was one of the top superheroes in DC -- in part because of his power ring, but also in part because of his then-uniqueness.

Guy Gardner has a long standing as a fan favorite from the Giffen "JLA" days.

Of those characters, John Stewart may pass Gardner on the list in terms of stature -- but even that is debatable at best.

Good summary.

Perhaps whats required is a clear prupose/goal for John. At the moment, he's playing second fiddle to Hal, which has resulted primarily in guest appearances in the GL book.

I can think of 2 basic possibilities:

1) He returns to OA and becomes part of the GLC book. Unfortunately, he'd probably still be a little overshadowed by Guy.

2) He becomes the GL for JLA. This is, I think, the ideal solution.

[Smarty Jones]

In theory, it makes sense to put John Stewart into The JLA. The other Earth-born GLs are in other titles -- Alan Scott in "JSA;" Hal Jordan in his own book; Kyle Rayner in "Ion;" and Guy Gardner in "Green Lantern Corps."

The problem is that sooner or later you likely will hear from fans wanting Jordan to be in The JLA once his book has established consistent sales numbers. Also, maybe it's me but Stewart seems a bit out of step being paired with Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman.

If Stewart had the standing in the DC Universe as one of the top superheroes I can see selecting him, but unfortunately he's not seen that way. He's likely being picked so not to stretch Jordan or Rayner thin now, and DC isn't quite ready yet to bring back Jordan to the group he helped found.

[caats19]

i wanna see hal in the jla. cause i haven't. i didn't start actually buying comics myself till only a few years ago. i knew all about hal of course, i knew lots about comics, cause my brothers collected a little bit. when i joined jla it was kyle, and then john eventually. i knew all about how gardner was the warrior thing(which i thought was lame), but i always thought of hal as THE green lantern. so i say he belongs in the jla.

[Babylon23]

In theory, it makes sense to put John Stewart into The JLA. The other Earth-born GLs are in other titles -- Alan Scott in "JSA;" Hal Jordan in his own book; Kyle Rayner in "Ion;" and Guy Gardner in "Green Lantern Corps."

The problem is that sooner or later you likely will hear from fans wanting Jordan to be in The JLA once his book has established consistent sales numbers. Also, maybe it's me but Stewart seems a bit out of step being paired with Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman.

If Stewart had the standing in the DC Universe as one of the top superheroes I can see selecting him, but unfortunately he's not seen that way. He's likely being picked so not to stretch Jordan or Rayner thin now, and DC isn't quite ready yet to bring back Jordan to the group he helped found.

I see your point. I'm one of the biggest Hal Jordan fans out there, but I'd love to see John in JLA rather than Hal.

With the proper amount of work, a writer could really make John the heart of the new JLA team, much like the Martian Manhunter was in the previous series. He's well respected by his fellow heroes, is somebody others will listen to/follow, and has the right kind of analytical mind to serve as team co-ordinator. He also has a strong moral sense.

From a DCU perspective, I think it also makes sense to have him on the team. Hal is out patrolling the sector GCL-style, and Alan is helping to usher in the next generation of heroes in JSA. Having John serving on the JLA means that that GL's have a lot of bases covered in defending Earth, this sector of space, and the universe.

Plus, John's a great character who deserves his chance to shine.

[daniel2099]

hal
his fist back up was guy
guy in coma jonh became back up

john dosent have the stgma that hal has after year one
i can see hal asking john to thak a plase in the jla


earth gls
alen
hal
guy
*charly *
john

*note charly was a man from earth how was given a ring at no time was he assined to earth or its sector (i think he died sortly after losing his ring )

[Lonewalker]

Dream told Kyle that he'd surpass Hal. I agree with Dream.

Cay

Me too.

I wouldn't argue with the Endless. They are hardcore.

Cay

Hardcore and bag of Skittles. Which means, hardcore and too sweet.

[PastePotPete]

I agree with the poster who said let's give John his own miniseries, and one that establishes his role in the DCU.

Gardner's getting a mini and he's already the star of the GL Corps. ongoing.
Conner Hawke's getting a mini.
Everyone's getting a mini.

DC owes John a miniseries. He needs to be seen as more than a token. He's been around a while and a lot of fans like him. And I'll admit that I eat up anything Green Lantern so, while John's not my favorite, I'd definitely pick up his mini.

[phantom1592]

I never cared too much for him. They never gave him much of a personality. All the GLs stand out except for him. He's like the "other" GL.

I agree that it makes sense for him to be JLA. Still as major Hal fan, I hope it's Hal :)

[KnOwMaN]

In a scene from battling Cyborg and the Manhunters, Hal mentioned he belonged to a few groups. I would say, GL corps and JLA would be one of the few. And now that he is back on friendly term with Batman, being part of JLA is a high chance.

[DonC]

Alright, this question was raised at WiardWorld Chicago. Here's what Geoff Johns and Dan Didio had to say about John being in the JLA:

They said John Stewart fans will be happy. Take that as you will.

[Patience]

Alright, this question was raised at WiardWorld Chicago. Here's what Geoff Johns and Dan Didio had to say about John being in the JLA:

They said John Stewart fans will be happy. Take that as you will.

Actually, they said that the man who was interested in more black representation would be happy. The man was unhappy about Meltzer's quotes about John, and that Firestorm was the only black hero with his own book, but Geoff Johns told him the lineup would please him. No guarantees on John, though I do think it looks good.

(I was the girl in the When Fangirls Attack (http://womenincomics.blogspot.com) shirt who had to share question time with her sister. I asked about Star Sapphire.)

[phantom1592]

(I was the girl in the When Fangirls Attack (http://womenincomics.blogspot.com) shirt who had to share question time with her sister. I asked about Star Sapphire.)


What kind of info do we have on her?

[DonC]

(I was the girl in the When Fangirls Attack (http://womenincomics.blogspot.com) shirt who had to share question time with her sister.)


You never did answer Dan DiDio. What does happen when fangirls attack?

And, yeah, you're right about what Geoff said. I wasn't exactly taking notes.

[TheTen-EyedMan]

From my meanderings around the Chi-con last week...where I buttonholed Dan and Geoff for a quote related to the Hal in Justice League of America question. Geoff basically intimated that he would have to be structuring his stories to fit Hal's renewed membership to a certain group. That, and he's asked Brad to treat him well.

[Patience]

You never did answer Dan DiDio. What does happen when fangirls attack?

Wouldn't you like to know? ;)

[Patience]

What kind of info do we have on her?

I phrased it weirdly, I'm afraid, so not much. Asked if we'd see "Star Sapphire, the Zamarons, Carol Ferris, one of those characters-groups of characters" because I'm nervous speaking in front of people (which is why I froze when Didio asked me the question at both panels).

I a got a "Yes" so we'll see at least one of, if not all of the above in Green Lantern.

Ideally, it'll be Carol back at Star Sapphire, but at least it should be a Star Sapphire villainess appearance.

Worst case scenario, we'll get the Zams back as nursemaids like in the end of Winick's run. And if we see that, you should all get to finally see what happens when fangirls attack. :evilsmile

[phantom1592]

I a got a "Yes" so we'll see at least one of, if not all of the above in Green Lantern.

Ideally, it'll be Carol back at Star Sapphire, but at least it should be a Star Sapphire villainess appearance.


I hope that it's Carol as SS. Nobody else seems.... right. :)

[Damo]

It's a wonder the DCU didn't simply collapse without a Green Lantern patrolling every sector of the universe.

No it's not. The Darkstars took over.

I feel "Justice League" fans need to recognize that the John Stewart in the comic books has been around a lot longer (the early 1970s) than the cartoon version, and it's a decidedly different version of that character with a different standing in the DC Universe.

I feel that the comic readers need to get over that. The JLU interpretation of his personality was closer to his original portrayal, before he was watered down over the years to the point where he was basically a tame Guy Gardner's tame drinking buddy. I wish the comic Stewart was such a great character that it would be a bad idea to try and make him more like his animated counterpart. But, with the exception of some good early appearances, I've felt the character never really got the good characterization a Green Lantern deserves.

I'm repeatedly perplexed by the cold shoulder DC tends to give to superior animated counterparts. Way back in the day, animation was the reason why Superman began to fly. The appearance of kryptonite in radio was the reason why it showed up in comics. After getting Mr. Freeze's origin and the introduction of Harley Quinn, it's like writers got scared to use ideas from the TV shows.

Nowadays, 9 out of 10 times a good idea shows up in one of the animated series, the comic writers ignore it or refuse to use it properly, going "fans of the animated series need to understand that the comic books have been around longer" and so on. Dude, a good idea is a good idea. Give Luthor his Mercy, use the creepy living doll-like Toyman, have Poison Ivy be an ecoterrorist, and give John Stewart a serious personality upgrade.

And have him date Hawkgirl. ;)

[Patience]

And have him date Hawkgirl. ;)

Won't that be awkward when his wife Katma, the only woman John will ever truly love, returns?

[Patience]

No it's not. The Darkstars took over.

Actually, they were a lot smaller, did a really crummy job, and most of them go killed or depowered whenever they appeared.

[Damo]

Won't that be awkward when his wife Katma, the only woman John will ever truly love, returns?

Well, I was pretty much kidding (it's highly unlikely DC is going to mess with the Hawkman gets Hawkgirl thing, no matter how creepy Hawkman's been acting this incarnation), but I think it's presumptuous to say she's the only woman he will ever truly love.

Second, she's dead, unless I missed something one of the recent issues that've been bringing lanterns back left and right (but where's Ch'p? Gimme my squirrel Lantern!).

Third, I never liked the marriage. Oh, sure, it worked out fairly well for John, but I honestly didn't like how Katma was written as a result. She definitely got the short end of the stick there. If she ever does come back, I want her to find importance on her own, far away from John.

[curefreak]

No it's not. The Darkstars took over.



I feel that the comic readers need to get over that. The JLU interpretation of his personality was closer to his original portrayal, before he was watered down over the years to the point where he was basically a tame Guy Gardner's tame drinking buddy. I wish the comic Stewart was such a great character that it would be a bad idea to try and make him more like his animated counterpart. But, with the exception of some good early appearances, I've felt the character never really got the good characterization a Green Lantern deserves.

I'm repeatedly perplexed by the cold shoulder DC tends to give to superior animated counterparts. Way back in the day, animation was the reason why Superman began to fly. The appearance of kryptonite in radio was the reason why it showed up in comics. After getting Mr. Freeze's origin and the introduction of Harley Quinn, it's like writers got scared to use ideas from the TV shows.

Nowadays, 9 out of 10 times a good idea shows up in one of the animated series, the comic writers ignore it or refuse to use it properly, going "fans of the animated series need to understand that the comic books have been around longer" and so on. Dude, a good idea is a good idea. Give Luthor his Mercy, use the creepy living doll-like Toyman, have Poison Ivy be an ecoterrorist, and give John Stewart a serious personality upgrade.

And have him date Hawkgirl. ;)
you would have to do a lot of retconning to make him like the jlu version
and im not sure they wanna do that for a minor character.

[Damo]

you would have to do a lot of retconning to make him like the jlu version
and im not sure they wanna do that for a minor character.

That's exactly my point though. Who is deciding he's a minor character? He's a minor character in the eyes of people that put the comics first. Well pulling up some random Nielsen ratings, an episode of JLU had over 1,000,000 viewers. There are more people familiar with that version of John Stewart than are currently buying Green Lantern, but comic fans and creators still consider the character to be of lesser importance, as if the cartoon is just some peripheral property of less importance than the book.

[Damo]

double post

[curefreak]

That's exactly my point though. Who is deciding he's a minor character? He's a minor character in the eyes of people that put the comics first. Well pulling up some random Nielsen ratings, an episode of JLU had over 1,000,000 viewers. There are more people familiar with that version of John Stewart than are currently buying Green Lantern, but comic fans and creators still consider the character to be of lesser importance, as if the cartoon is just some peripheral property of less importance than the book.
but he hasnt made a come back in the comics to wich im aware of.

[Damo]

but he hasnt made a come back in the comics to wich im aware of.

Precisely my point! There's a huge audience that's been exposed to a particular take of the character. Then DC halfheartedly puts him on the JLA, but without any real attempt to capitalize on the take that a large number of people are now familiar with. And then, nothing. A huge readymade audience is being ignored because, well gee, he's such an obscure character in the books. Change himto be more like his better known counterpart? Eh... we could but why bother?

[curefreak]

Precisely my point! There's a huge audience that's been exposed to a particular take of the character. Then DC halfheartedly puts him on the JLA, but without any real attempt to capitalize on the take that a large number of people are now familiar with. And then, nothing. A huge readymade audience is being ignored because, well gee, he's such an obscure character in the books. Change himto be more like his better known counterpart? Eh... we could but why bother?
like i said it would take a lot of explaining to do to turn him into his jlu counterpart cause they would have to change his whole personality and who he is.

[Damo]

like i said it would take a lot of explaining to do to turn him into his jlu counterpart cause they would have to change his whole personality and who he is.

I disagree. I don't think there's huge differences in personality - the JLU version is based on how he was originally portrayed.

Moreover, I say it would be worth the effort. That version of the character has proved popular and is known to a larger number of people than are currently buying the book. For Pete's sakes, tap in into that!

[The Scribe]

I like Jordan but I'd like to see Stewart in the new JLA.

DC needs to use him more.

Maybe, it would be better to bring back the Darkstars and have Stewart be the leader. :D

[curefreak]

I disagree. I don't think there's huge differences in personality - the JLU version is based on how he was originally portrayed.

Moreover, I say it would be worth the effort. That version of the character has proved popular and is known to a larger number of people than are currently buying the book. For Pete's sakes, tap in into that!
it maybe too late tho since the show is cancelled.

[Damo]

it maybe too late tho since the show is cancelled.

It's not like the viewers that were watching it evaporated. Pretty much every time I hear the guy mentioned, someboady mistakenly thinks he's like his JLU counterpart and is surprised to find out how unimportant he is in the DCU proper.

[curefreak]

It's not like the viewers that were watching it evaporated. Pretty much every time I hear the guy mentioned, someboady mistakenly thinks he's like his JLU counterpart and is surprised to find out how unimportant he is in the DCU proper.
but they should have done it when they had the chance when the fire was hot.

[Patience]

Second, she's dead, unless I missed something one of the recent issues that've been bringing lanterns back left and right (but where's Ch'p? Gimme my squirrel Lantern!).

She got resurrected in Mosaic, same as Ch'p (EDIT: Total misphrase here, I meant to say same place Ch'p died.)

And while I didn't like Katma's personality change after the marraige, DC doesn't like divorces. The "marriage doesn't work" mentality is what go Kat killed in the first place and sadly, I think the only way she'll come back is because of her romantic connection to John. If they replace her with a different love interest, Kat stays in limbo.

Personally, I think she should be command staff on Oa, and I can see a work separation situation working with John there. But a new love interest, as things stand, would kill Kat's chance of coming back.

[phantom1592]

Personally I think They should lose a couple of the earth Gls. Back in the old days there were only 2. One would go "away" they would call another. I think I would leave Guy out on Oa and never bring him near earth, Keep Hal as Earth's GL, Put John in a coma or something, and banish Kyle to limbo. Or kill him, either way :evilsmile


Of course we keep Alan Scott completely seperate from this conversation, He's not a part of the Corps.

[Armless Penguin]

Personally I think They should lose a couple of the earth Gls. Back in the old days there were only 2. One would go "away" they would call another. I think I would leave Guy out on Oa and never bring him near earth, Keep Hal as Earth's GL, Put John in a coma or something, and banish Kyle to limbo. Or kill him, either way :evilsmile


Of course we keep Alan Scott completely seperate from this conversation, He's not a part of the Corps.

Well, that's not remotely fair.

[curefreak]

im starting to really like kyle i like his personality in morrisons jla series.
i just cant stand his mask not to mention maverick from the x-men has the exact same one.

[phantom1592]

Well, that's not remotely fair.


I know it's not a popular idea. But here's my philosophy.

1) Hal is the hero, the first of the corpsman, and he's alive again. He's a founding member of the JLA, and should have as much respect as a member of the DCU as Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Flash, or Aquaman. He's the first one people think of when they hear Green Lantern. Like it or not, he's back.:D

2) Guy has..... Personality. Personally I can't stand it, but with it looking like GLcorps is designed to be kind of a .... Military Marine Squad type book, his personality actually kind of fits there.

3) Kyle. Kyle has never really been ..... part of the group. He was designed to be the only one, and now that the rest are back then he's out of place. He's lost his niche. That's why their trying the Ion thing. I don't think it will work though. I expect him to flounder around the DCU just like Hal did for 10yrs. Not really GL, but not forgotten. (He's a GL, No he's an Evil Parrallax, No he's a good, but misunderstood Parrallax, No He died a heroes death... , No he's the Spectre...... I DON"T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH HIM.... He's a GL ;) )

4) John quite simply isn't as interesting as the rest. He COULD be, but nobody has bothered developing him. And with Three OTHER GLs, More POPLULAR GLs ahead of him, I just don't forsee anyone taking the time to.






5) Again Alan stays out of this. He was around First. He's a founder of the JSA, and the team just isn't the same without him. He's also had the name for 70 years, and it's just not right to make HIM change his name. So for all conversations pretend he doesn't exist.

[Damo]

She got resurrected in Mosaic, same as Ch'p

Which was then undone by Twillight. Recent John appearances make it pretty clear that she's still dead.


And hey, a "let's get rid of or kill Kyle" post from a guy with a Hal avatar.

Wow.

What're the odds?

[phantom1592]

Which was then undone by Twillight. Recent John appearances make it pretty clear that she's still dead.


And hey, a "let's get rid of or kill Kyle" post from a guy with a Hal avatar.

Wow.

What're the odds?



How did Mosaic end anyway? Did kyle blow up all those cities in GL 0 when he blew Oa 1? Wonder if they'll ever be mentioned again. How did she come back? Her death was pretty established. She got cut to ribbons when she had no ring. Why/How did she come back?

As for the Avatar, Yes my all time favorite GL, heck DC hero is Hal. I make no secrets about that. It took me 10 years to think of kyle as anything but a usurper. Once they brought back the corps and made Kyle one of many, I started to like him a bit. I thought he was pretty cool the way they handled him in Rebirth. If they wanted to station him out on Oa with Guy, or on Earth with Hal, then I wouldn't have a problem with it.

If the best they can do is Pump his power level up to godhood.... AGAIN,(always a lame/desperate way of making a character interesting IMO) Then yeah He's of no use to me. Also If I have to choose out of the four Earth GLs, then no he won't make the cut. (although he would be above Guy and John, I only pick Guy for the "direction" they want GLcorps to be.)Personally I thought I gave pretty good explanations for my reasoning just to be lumped into just another Hal vs. Kyle fanboy debate.

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If DC takes their que from Gerard Jones' more intellectual interpretation of John, who really thought outside the box when it came to his power ring and his role within the Corps, then they wouldn't have to worry about John Stewart being the constant second fidddle of the GLCorps.

If you make the comics John too much like his JLU counterpart, he's too much like Hal, whose military background has really been played up by Geoff Johns.

Kyle seems to be following the route that Mosaic had John taking at the end of that series, in which John became the first human Guardian of the Universe.

If they try to emphasize the more hard-assed chip on his shoulder attitude version of John that Denny O'Neil created and Starlin brought to it's logical conclusion, you end up with John too close to Guy Gardner, who fills the jackass role very well.

However, currently, nobody is playing the role of the smart one, who one who actually thinks things through and tries to approach his role as GL differently than everyone else. Englehart started this approach and Jones' continued it in Mosaic, but nobody has really picked up the torch since then and instead written John as simply bland and inoffensive.

As for the JLA, while it'd be cool to have both John and Hal in the League, alternating, I can understand why Meltzer would want just Hal so he can bounce him off of Ollie & Bats...

[Armless Penguin]

If the best they can do is Pump his power level up to godhood.... AGAIN,(always a lame/desperate way of making a character interesting IMO) Then yeah He's of no use to me. Also If I have to choose out of the four Earth GLs, then no he won't make the cut. (although he would be above Guy and John, I only pick Guy for the "direction" they want GLcorps to be.)Personally I thought I gave pretty good explanations for my reasoning just to be lumped into just another Hal vs. Kyle fanboy debate.

Well, there's no indication that Kyle is even remotely as powerful as he was as Ion originally, just that he is "more than" the rest of the Corps, which could mean any number of things. Granted, he has yet to really be forced to stretch himself, I doubt they'll be going the serious God-hood route they did before.

Personally I prefer Kyle as he's the GL I grew up with, the one I understood and connected with, but that doesn't mean I want Hal to be pushed off panel or be killed again.

[phantom1592]

Well, there's no indication that Kyle is even remotely as powerful as he was as Ion originally, just that he is "more than" the rest of the Corps, which could mean any number of things. Granted, he has yet to really be forced to stretch himself, I doubt they'll be going the serious God-hood route they did before..

Well the name Ion is a bad start. Also Green Lanterns can do ANYTHING. Their power is only limited by imagination and will. Therefore they are dangerously close to gods already. Making someone "more than" a green lantern scares me away from the character. The best thing Kyle had going for him is the "everyman" thing. As Ion I don't see how they can keep that.


Personally I prefer Kyle as he's the GL I grew up with, the one I understood and connected with, but that doesn't mean I want Hal to be pushed off panel or be killed again.


:( I feel very old. It astonishes me that people could actually "grow up" with Kyle. I see his time as just a hiccuup in the history of the GLs, not really an Era.

Of course it just occured to me the other day that the TV Flash series was made in 1990. SO anyone born then can now DRIVE:eek: ::o

[Armless Penguin]

I feel very old. It astonishes me that people could actually "grow up" with Kyle. I see his time as just a hiccuup in the history of the GLs, not really an Era.

Calling the guy who essentially brought back the Corps a hiccup is a little down-putting, don't you think, :p

But still, you must realize that the man has his fans, just as Hal does, and having experienced the whole thing with Hal, I would think you'd be more sympathetic to characters pushed off-screen. :D

[phantom1592]

Calling the guy who essentially brought back the Corps a hiccup is a little down-putting, don't you think,

But still, you must realize that the man has his fans, just as Hal does, and having experienced the whole thing with Hal, I would think you'd be more sympathetic to characters pushed off-screen. :D


Ahhh but the All new, all different Gren Lantern was what killed it in the first place ;) You don't get credit for fixing what you broke :p \


I hope they find a decent place for Kyle. I just don't think he'd be good as an Earth Lantern (He's spent to long under Hal's Shadow to stand side by side with him), and I don't like god characters. As a hal fan I saw him juggled for many years in roles that weren't even close to being right. Right now it looks like Kyle is going through HIS Spectre stage. Also as a rule, I wouldn't have been so upset if they had just KILLED hal and had someone replace him. (well Maybe....) It was the whole desecrating the character that riled everyone up. I would hate for Kyle fans to go through that.



(Well My shifts done at work, I can't respond to any more for a few days ;))

[Damo]

Ahhh but the All new, all different Gren Lantern was what killed it in the first place ;) You don't get credit for fixing what you broke :p \


Hon, Green Lantern's sales were in the crapper for a long time, despite putting a series of pretty decent writers on the book. DC was seriously talking about just cancelling the thing. Kyle saved the book. It's not what I would have done, but it worked when trying different things with Hal just wasn't proving to be enough. Deal with it.

[Patience]

Which was then undone by Twillight. Recent John appearances make it pretty clear that she's still dead.

You missed a lot when you missed Chicago. I asked about Mosaic for the DCU Panel on Saturday. It's still in continuity.


And hey, a "let's get rid of or kill Kyle" post from a guy with a Hal avatar.

Wow.

What're the odds?

I know... The anti-Kyle and John sentiment right now is ridiculous. They've set it up so that the Guardians have realized that there's strength in numbers, and don't mind having some extra Earth Lanterns around. We are the one DC fandom set up so that everyone could be happy, and people still aren't!

[Patience]

How did Mosaic end anyway? Did kyle blow up all those cities in GL 0 when he blew Oa 1? Wonder if they'll ever be mentioned again. How did she come back? Her death was pretty established. She got cut to ribbons when she had no ring. Why/How did she come back?

John ascended to Guardian status and brought her back. They ended the series with the Mosaic still on Oa, John was playing the piano at a block party with Kat standing behind him smiling.

And I swear, I asked twice:

Me: Are Cosmic Odyssey and Mosaic still in continuity?
Geoff Johns: Yes
Me: The end of Mosaic is still in continuity?
Geoff Johns: Yes.

Kalinara (http://kalinara.blogspot.com) and I even went up to him after the panel and made sure he'd read it. It's still in continuity.

Newsarama reported it in their panel writeup (http://www.newsarama.com/WW_Chicago_06/DCUniverse.html).

[Patience]

However, currently, nobody is playing the role of the smart one, who one who actually thinks things through and tries to approach his role as GL differently than everyone else. Englehart started this approach and Jones' continued it in Mosaic, but nobody has really picked up the torch since then and instead written John as simply bland and inoffensive.

See, that's exactly right. Rebirth really excited me for John because for once he was the thinker. I figured Johns got it, but we havne't seen John for anything other than droppuing off paperwork?

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Hon, Green Lantern's sales were in the crapper for a long time, despite putting a series of pretty decent writers on the book. DC was seriously talking about just cancelling the thing. Kyle saved the book. It's not what I would have done, but it worked when trying different things with Hal just wasn't proving to be enough. Deal with it.

This isn't really accurate.

Green Lantern sales had not been in the crapper for a long time, it was a very recent thing. In fact, Green Lantern was such a strong seller for DC it spun off not one, not two, but three new Green Lantern titles less than two years prior to Emerald Twilight.

There wasn't a series of decent writers on the book, Gerard Jones was the main writer of the Green Lantern line for all four years leading up to Emerald Twilight and he had clearly over-extended himself near the end. Once again, keep in mind that the first two years of his run were so successful that DC spun off three new titles, again written mainly by Jones.

DC was not seriously talking about cancelling the thing, they were seriously thinking about how to revamp and/or relaunch the book and couldn't decide on the right approach. Green Lantern had proved to be too popular a concept for them to cancel it just because sales had started slipping over the previous two years.

Kyle didn't save the book, but he did give the comic a big boost in sales after a couple years of really dull stories in which Gerard Jones and editor Kevin Dooley were having creative tug-o-war of the direction of the franchise.

You are right that DC had tried many different things with Hal that weren't working though. For several years after Steve Englehart finished his run, DC had made several attempts to warp Hal into a more everyman type of hero, like making him a drunk and a hobo. None of these additions suited the character and have all been discarded by the most recent incarnation.