The Rolling Stones thread!

[howyadoin]

Well, you guys are pretty lucky with it, I guess. I mean, I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only one to have this reaction to the album. Even Lester Bangs didn't like it at all when he first heard it, apparently.Right, but as I said, Lester hadn't heard punk rock or Nebraska.

[Ilash]

Right, but as I said, Lester hadn't heard punk rock or Nebraska.

Yes but he had heard plenty of the stuff that influenced punk rock. He was one of the great proponents of 60s garage rock. By all accounts, he should have been ready for Exile on Main Street.

But sure, I don't doubt that my own lack of musical experience did act against me when trying to appreciate Exile on Mainstreet.

Either way,my point is simple: to anyone who finds Exile a difficult listen, do not give up on it until you give it a good, fair shot; even if that shot takes the better part of a year. It's great that you guys got it on first listen but I was really addressing those who didn't.

[david r]

But Mick Jagger has said he feels Exile is overrated. And has said he thinks it was mixed horribly. He didn't like how his vocals were more in the background, but I guess that's no surprise on his part.

[howyadoin]

But Mick Jagger has said he feels Exile is overrated. And has said he thinks it was mixed horribly. He didn't like how his vocals were more in the background, but I guess that's no surprise on his part.Well, it could sound like he and Bowie crucifying "Dancing in the Street"...

[The Confessor]

But Mick Jagger has said he feels Exile is overrated. And has said he thinks it was mixed horribly. He didn't like how his vocals were more in the background, but I guess that's no surprise on his part.

..and thus, we see that the artist is possibly the worst judge of his own work. Business as usual really.

[pariah-1972]

But Mick Jagger has said he feels Exile is overrated. And has said he thinks it was mixed horribly. He didn't like how his vocals were more in the background, but I guess that's no surprise on his part.It's funny you say that cause i am reading this book where he was complaining to Jimmy Miller that his vocals were too "upfront" in the mix.


Kind of confusing.

[pariah-1972]

Also finally found an mp3 of "cocksucker blues" and i find it totally hilarious.

[howyadoin]

It's funny you say that cause i am reading this book where he was complaining to Jimmy Miller that his vocals were too "upfront" in the mix.


Kind of confusing.You can't seriously be expecting Mick Jagger to be consistent and logical.

[pariah-1972]

You can't seriously be expecting Mick Jagger to be consistent and logical.You're right he is a rock star after all.

[howyadoin]

You're right he is a rock star after all.He's pretty much the quintessential rock star.

[pariah-1972]

He's pretty much the quintessential rock star.Agreed hes one of the last ones left.

[leonaozaki]

You can't seriously be expecting Mick Jagger to be consistent and logical.

I remember in one interview with MOJO Jagger said that Voodoo Lounge was one of his favorite Stones albums.

It's good and all...but c'mon.

rob

[leonaozaki]

But Mick Jagger has said he feels Exile is overrated. And has said he thinks it was mixed horribly. He didn't like how his vocals were more in the background, but I guess that's no surprise on his part.

According to an interview with Mikal Gilmore, Jagger doesn't like Exile on Main Street very much because it only had one charting single on it ("Happy") and it didn't sell very well back in the day.

rob

[Spike-X]

I remember in one interview with MOJO Jagger said that Voodoo Lounge was one of his favorite Stones albums.

It's good and all...but c'mon.

rob
Did this interview take place around the release of Voodoo Lounge, perchance?

[pariah-1972]

Ya'all should not be dissing Voodoo Lounge it was a great record and it got me into the Stones.
:mad:

[david r]

I may get roasted for this, but I've been listening to Steel Wheels lately, and some of it has grown on me. I like the opening rocker "Sad, Sad, Sad," a lot. But "Hold on to Your Hat" rocks well, in a generic sort of way. :tongue:

But 1 song I never cared really caught my attention this time, the ballad "Blinded By Love". It has a country-feel to it, unlike all the other songs. I know Mick and Keith are country music fans, and this song captures that flavor and I rather like it amongst all these 80s-sounding tunes. I especially like the violin bit at the conclusion.

[Ilash]

I may get roasted for this, but I've been listening to Steel Wheels lately, and some of it has grown on me. I like the opening rocker "Sad, Sad, Sad," a lot. But "Hold on to Your Hat" rocks well, in a generic sort of way. :tongue:

But 1 song I never cared really caught my attention this time, the ballad "Blinded By Love". It has a country-feel to it, unlike all the other songs. I know Mick and Keith are country music fans, and this song captures that flavor and I rather like it amongst all these 80s-sounding tunes. I especially like the violin bit at the conclusion.

Yeah, I think it's main problem is that it really is a very generic record that is pretty mediocre for the Stones but it certainly has its moments. My personal favourite is still Slipping Away.

[david r]

Yeah, I think it's main problem is that it really is a very generic record that is pretty mediocre for the Stones but it certainly has its moments. My personal favourite is still Slipping Away.

I rather like Sad, Sad, Sad, Mixed Emotions, Hold onto your Hat, Rock and a Hard Place, Almost Hear You Sigh, Keith's two songs and Break the Spell. And now "Blinded By Love" has grown on me. That's 9 songs, so really not bad.

It's also relevant as Bill Wyman's final album with the group.

But oh yes, I've always liked "Slipping Away". I remember in 1989 hearing that and worrying the song's premise were the Stones slipping away. :frown:

[twilight]

How does everyone feel about Their Satanic Majesties Request?

I like the cuts I've heard from it on an old Rolling Stones greatest hits record I've got lying around and I think it might be my next RS purchase.

-Twi

[leonaozaki]

How does everyone feel about Their Satanic Majesties Request?

I like the cuts I've heard from it on an old Rolling Stones greatest hits record I've got lying around and I think it might be my next RS purchase.

-Twi

It's pretty good. There are some songs on it that haven't been compiled yet that are worth owning, so if you are a Stones fan you should check it out. But be prepared: "Gomper" and "Sing This All Together (See What Happens)" are two of the worst songs the Stones have ever done. Now, most of the songs are killer, so they certainly outnumber those two duff tracks, but man, those two songs are bad.

So, on the whole, I'd give it a B+.

rob

[Ilash]

Satanic's is a fine album, albeit a very uneven one. I think it is easily the worst of their mid-sixties pop albums and I think it's probably worse than most of their cover-heavy albums as well but this is prime period Stones we're talking about. None of the songs beat She's a Rainbow but there are plenty of underlooked gems to be found on the album (though certainly NOT the ones that Rob mentioned).

So yeah, it's good but if you don't have most of their albums yet, it shouldn't be one of your first.

[twilight]

Cool,I'll have to see if I can find a cheap copy.
The copies I've seen around town have been $40 or so!

While I'm here,what does everyone think of the songs where Keef sings?
Granted I haven't heard most of them but the ones I have I like quite a lot and I'd rank Happy from Exile as one of my favourite Stones tracks.

-Twi

[Jonathan Bogart]

While I'm here,what does everyone think of the songs where Keef sings?
Granted I haven't heard most of them but the ones I have I like quite a lot and I'd rank Happy from Exile as one of my favourite Stones tracks.
Especially after 1980 or so, I'd say Keith is the better singer. Mick sounds like an unlikable parody of himself these days, while Keith just sounds like an old blues dude.

[Ilash]

Especially after 1980 or so, I'd say Keith is the better singer. Mick sounds like an unlikable parody of himself these days, while Keith just sounds like an old blues dude.

Well, hey, I'm agreeing with Jonathan for a change! Yeah, I've always liked his solo spots and on the later albums (especially a Bigger Bang) he often provides the biggest highlights.

[david r]

Well, hey, I'm agreeing with Jonathan for a change! Yeah, I've always liked his solo spots and on the later albums (especially a Bigger Bang) he often provides the biggest highlights.

I actually rather like Keith's song Infamy on A Bigger Bang. Do you like that one?

[Ilash]

I actually rather like Keith's song Infamy on A Bigger Bang. Do you like that one?

Yup! That and This Place Is Empty are my two favourite songs on the album.

[howyadoin]

While I'm here,what does everyone think of the songs where Keef sings?
Granted I haven't heard most of them but the ones I have I like quite a lot and I'd rank Happy from Exile as one of my favourite Stones tracks.I've often thought about makin' a mix of those tunes.

Either starting or finishing with "You Got the Silver".

[Ilash]

I've often thought about makin' a mix of those tunes.

Either starting or finishing with "You Got the Silver".

I made one! It actually holds up really, really well. I know quite a few people don't like Keith's solo spots but I really really enjoy them - even the less melodically impressive ones are usually carried through by charm and passion alone.

[howyadoin]

I made one! It actually holds up really, really well. I know quite a few people don't like Keith's solo spots but I really really enjoy them - even the less melodically impressive ones are usually carried through by charm and passion alone.Cool. Can you give us the track list?

[Ilash]

Cool. Can you give us the track list?

Sure. I don't have it on me right now but it's a simple chronological selection of my favourite tracks of his.

1. You Got the Silver
2. Happy
3. Coming Down Again
4. Before They Make Me Run
5. Little T&A
6. Slipping Away (Stripped Version)
7. Can't Be Seen
8. The Worst
9. You Don't Have to Mean It
10. How Can I Stop
11. Infamy
12. This Place Is Empty

And as a bonus because he duetted on quite a few parts of of with Mick:
13. Memory Hotel

[david r]

Speaking of Keith, anyone like his "All About You", the final song on the mostly forgettable Emotional Rescue?

[pariah-1972]

Considering how many live albums the Stones have put out over the years what do you guys think is the best one?

[twilight]

Damn.

Between The Buttons is fantastic pop.
I almost wish the Stones had stuck with this style forever.

Love Let's Spend The Night Together,Connection and Something Happened To Me Yesterday.

-Twi

[Ilash]

Speaking of Keith, anyone like his "All About You", the final song on the mostly forgettable Emotional Rescue?

Ah yes, that's actually one of the few Stones albums I don't have, along with Dirty Work, Undercover and their debut.


Considering how many live albums the Stones have put out over the years what do you guys think is the best one?

Ya Ya's seems to be the right answer to this but I also really like No Security and love Stripped. So best for me would be Ya Ya's but my favourite may well be Stripped.


Damn.

Between The Buttons is fantastic pop.
I almost wish the Stones had stuck with this style forever.

Love Let's Spend The Night Together,Connection and Something Happened To Me Yesterday.

-Twi

I agree except that then we wouldn't have gotten all those great albums that followed. I do with that they would have tapped more into this stuff in their later years though because, as you say, it was indeed fantastic pop.

[pariah-1972]

Wot about Live Licks llash? watching the concert on tv i was really impressed but i'm not sure how well that translates to a cd.

Of course the Stones seem to be the only band capable of putting out great live albums anymore.
:confused:

[Ilash]

Wot about Live Licks llash? watching the concert on tv i was really impressed but i'm not sure how well that translates to a cd.

Of course the Stones seem to be the only band capable of putting out great live albums anymore.
:confused:

I haven't really bothered with it yet but I probably will get around to it at some point. It's just that if I want to listen to the music from that album, I just stick in one of the discs from their Four Flicks DVD set, which is probably the better way to experience it anyway.

[pariah-1972]

I haven't really bothered with it yet but I probably will get around to it at some point. It's just that if I want to listen to the music from that album, I just stick in one of the discs from their Four Flicks DVD set, which is probably the better way to experience it anyway.I don't really have the patience for concert dvds for some reason.

[Ilash]

I don't really have the patience for concert dvds for some reason.

Fair enough but I can't get enough of them - the good ones anyway.

[howyadoin]

Ah yes, that's actually one of the few Stones albums I don't have, along with Dirty Work, Undercover and their debut.I can't really comment on Emotional Rescue - haven't heard it in about 20 years. But Undercover is a great album.

[berk]

I can't really comment on Emotional Rescue - haven't heard it in about 20 years. Same here. But I do remember that at the time the only song I thought was any good was the one Richards sang lead on - All About You, I think it was called?

[Ilash]

I can't really comment on Emotional Rescue - haven't heard it in about 20 years. But Undercover is a great album.

Really? I've heard little but bad things about it. I was planning on picking it up at some point but I never expected much but hey, as a Stones fan, I hope you're right about it. Of those listed the only album that I really feel like I need to get in any rush is their debut, which I don't own simply because I've never seen a copy of it on sale for anything approaching a decent price.


Same here. But I do remember that at the time the only song I thought was any good was the one Richards sang lead on - All About You, I think it was called?

I wouldn't be too surprised, those Keith-sung songs are usually pretty reliable regardless of what album they find themselves on.

[howyadoin]

Really? I've heard little but bad things about it.http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/therollingstones/albums/album/108060/review/5947032/undercover

[Ilash]

http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/therollingstones/albums/album/108060/review/5947032/undercover

Well. Waddya know!

[howyadoin]

Well. Waddya know!To be fair, Robert Christgau hated it. I think he said it was one of their worst albums.

[Ilash]

To be fair, Robert Christgau hated it. I think he said it was one of their worst albums.

Yeah and I think he said that Dirty Work was one of their best, an opinion that seems to be shared by no one. Even die hard fans seem to prefer to pretend that it doesn't exist.

Christgau is a good writer but I don't think that there is any critic who I disagree with more.

[howyadoin]

Yeah and I think he said that Dirty Work was one of their best, an opinion that seems to be shared by no one. Even die hard fans seem to prefer to pretend that it doesn't exist.

Christgau is a good writer but I don't think that there is any critic who I disagree with more.I'd say I agree with him more often that not, but when we do disagree, it's pretty dramatic. Reading his stuff back in the 80s, I often used to wonder if he had somebody else fill in for him from time to time.

[Ilash]

I'd say I agree with him more often that not, but when we do disagree, it's pretty dramatic. Reading his stuff back in the 80s, I often used to wonder if he had somebody else fill in for him from time to time.

Actually, regardless of whether or not you agree with him you've got to love that he has so much of his stuff posted on his website, which seems to be pretty rare as far as professional critics go.

[david r]

Of those listed the only album that I really feel like I need to get in any rush is their debut, which I don't own simply because I've never seen a copy of it on sale for anything approaching a decent price.

Their debut album really grows on you. It's very bluesy and raw. Lots of cool Brian Jones harmonica work. Keith's guitar sounds like a rubber-band. Stand-outs are "Route 66", "Can I get a Witness", "King Bee", "Tell Me". Unfortunately, Mick & Keith wrote almost none of the songs.

It's very short, and compared to later classics, it pales. But for the Stones playing the rhythm-and-blues they are founded on, this may be the most authentic LP they ever made.

[howyadoin]

Their debut album really grows on you. It's very bluesy and raw. Lots of cool Brian Jones harmonica work. Keith's guitar sounds like a rubber-band. Stand-outs are "Route 66", "Can I get a Witness", "King Bee", "Tell Me". Unfortunately, Mick & Keith wrote almost none of the songs.

It's very short, and compared to later classics, it pales. But for the Stones playing the rhythm-and-blues they are founded on, this may be the most authentic LP they ever made."Tell Me" is one of my all-time favourite Stones tunes. Especially the backing vocals.

[Spike-X]

Their debut album really grows on you. It's very bluesy and raw. Lots of cool Brian Jones harmonica work. Keith's guitar sounds like a rubber-band. Stand-outs are "Route 66", "Can I get a Witness", "King Bee", "Tell Me". Unfortunately, Mick & Keith wrote almost none of the songs.

Andrew Loog Oldham (their first manager) had to literally lock them in a room together to get them to write a song.

[Ilash]

Their debut album really grows on you. It's very bluesy and raw. Lots of cool Brian Jones harmonica work. Keith's guitar sounds like a rubber-band. Stand-outs are "Route 66", "Can I get a Witness", "King Bee", "Tell Me". Unfortunately, Mick & Keith wrote almost none of the songs.

It's very short, and compared to later classics, it pales. But for the Stones playing the rhythm-and-blues they are founded on, this may be the most authentic LP they ever made.

Oh yeah, I am expecting all of this but seeing how much I love their early R&B-cover period, I'm pretty sure I'll land up loving it.

[david r]

"Tell Me" is one of my all-time favourite Stones tunes. Especially the backing vocals.

It's a favorite of mine, too. I think the stand-out ballad of their first album. It's the only true song Jagger/Richards wrote for it.


Andrew Loog Oldham (their first manager) had to literally lock them in a room together to get them to write a song.

I didn't know that, but I'm sure he did. I think Oldham wanted them to become Lennon/McCartney. So he kept pushing Mick and Keith to write. I've also read this first album was recorded in a small recording studio, with all the walls painted black. It was made VERY fast, but perfectly captures the Stones' live act from that period.

I read a comment where Andrew Oldham sat at the recording studio console with an engineer for this LP and said, "I've never done this before. I don't know how to produce an album. So bare with me!" :rolleyes:


Oh yeah, I am expecting all of this but seeing how much I love their early R&B-cover period, I'm pretty sure I'll land up loving it.


Oh, you'll love The Rolling Stones then. It's fascinating to listen to that 1964 debut, knowing all the good music to come. This one really grows on you. But I like it as a raw record with the Stones playing so much blues and 1950s-style rock 'n'roll. Good stuff.

[Buried Alien]

Live Stones albums, you say? My preference is for YA YA's, mainly because it's so sloppy...and nobody ever made sloppy sound better than the Rolling Stones.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[howyadoin]

Live Stones albums, you say? My preference is for YA YA's, mainly because it's so sloppy...and nobody ever made sloppy sound better than the Rolling Stones.Pretty hard to argue with that. It's certainly leagues ahead of stuff like Still Life.

[leonaozaki]

Damn.

Between The Buttons is fantastic pop.
I almost wish the Stones had stuck with this style forever.

Love Let's Spend The Night Together,Connection and Something Happened To Me Yesterday.

-Twi

Yeah, that's one of my favorite Stones albums. I particularly love "Who's Been Sleeping Here?"

rob

[berk]

I wouldn't be too surprised, those Keith-sung songs are usually pretty reliable regardless of what album they find themselves on.That's true, which makes it all the more surprising to me that I've never really taken to any of his solo stuff. I actually like Jagger's solo work better than Richards, or the Stones of the last 25 years or so.

[Ilash]

That's true, which makes it all the more surprising to me that I've never really taken to any of his solo stuff. I actually like Jagger's solo work better than Richards, or the Stones of the last 25 years or so.

Yeah, I know, me too. Well, okay, as far as Jagger's stuff goes, I am limiting it to Wandering Spirit, which is indeed very good because I either haven't heard the rest or have been unimpressed by it. But Keith's solo stuff, of which I've only heard his first album, is surprisingly mediocre. It refuses to be bad but it never ever goes much beyond meh, which is really quite surprising.

[berk]

Yeah, I know, me too. Well, okay, as far as Jagger's stuff goes, I am limiting it to Wandering Spirit, which is indeed very good because I either haven't heard the rest or have been unimpressed by it. But Keith's solo stuff, of which I've only heard his first album, is surprisingly mediocre. It refuses to be bad but it never ever goes much beyond meh, which is really quite surprising.Yeah, my opinion here should be taken with a grain odf salt, because I haven't really listened to a lot of Richards's or Jagger's solo work, or much recent Stones. Mostly just going by what I've heard on the radio or wherever.

[david r]

And yet....doesn't bass player Bill Wyman have the best selling solo album? Stone Alone.

I've never heard Stone Alone. Has anyone here and is it worth getting?

[twilight]

I've just had a big payday and I'd like to use some of it to get a copy of Aftermath.

Would you guys recommend the US or UK edition?

-Twi

[Ilash]

I've just had a big payday and I'd like to use some of it to get a copy of Aftermath.

Would you guys recommend the US or UK edition?

-Twi

Oy. This is a tough one.

On the one hand you get Paint it Black on this version but if you have one of their compilations you will already have it. On the other, you get 14 songs rather than 12, including one that is apparently unavailable on their American releases. Of course, if you buy the British version then there isn't that much reason to pick up Flowers, which is their best pop album.

I don't know, I wish they did the same as the Beatles and just picked one discography and collected all the remaining tracks on a separate collection or as bonus tracks.

Ultimately, because their CD catalogue primarily follows their American releases, I would probably go for the American but it's annoying either way.

[david r]

The Daily Telegraph is reporting that Stones guitarist Ron Wood, who has long fought with alcoholism, has left his wife of 23 years. And is living in Ireland with an 18-year-old Russian waitress named Ekaterina Ivanova. Who he met only 3 months ago.

The story reports Wood is acting erratic, drinking heavily. Since 2000, Ronnie has been in rehab a staggering FIVE times to overcome alcoholism. This is very sad news.

[Spike-X]

"So, Ekaterina, what initally attracted you to the millionaire Ron Wood?"

[SUPERECWFAN1]

The Rolling Stones have a new label and new mega deal to record music ! Its Universial . Live Nation was making a play for them but the Stones went with Universial. Its pretty sad their leaving EMI .

http://www.411mania.com/music/news/81176/Universal-Music-Signs-Rolling-Stones-To-Long-Term-Deal.htm

[david r]

That is AWESOME NEWS!! I suspect Universal really wants their invaluable back catalogue. The 1970s albums, especially. This is all about transitioning the music for a digital age. Though I suspect a new Stones album will come out of this deal. Say in 2009??

EMI?? I thought the Stones have been with Virgin Records since 1991. Any new albums by them will be welcome. :smile:

[pariah-1972]

The Daily Telegraph is reporting that Stones guitarist Ron Wood, who has long fought with alcoholism, has left his wife of 23 years. And is living in Ireland with an 18-year-old Russian waitress named Ekaterina Ivanova. Who he met only 3 months ago.

The story reports Wood is acting erratic, drinking heavily. Since 2000, Ronnie has been in rehab a staggering FIVE times to overcome alcoholism. This is very sad news.Wow maybe it's better he has someone younger who is less likely to want to be independent so she can take care of him?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

That is AWESOME NEWS!! I suspect Universal really wants their invaluable back catalogue. The 1970s albums, especially. This is all about transitioning the music for a digital age. Though I suspect a new Stones album will come out of this deal. Say in 2009??

EMI?? I thought the Stones have been with Virgin Records since 1991. Any new albums by them will be welcome. :smile:

It was EMI. Its said that since that company took EMI private they are losing a lot of big acts for the label.

[awm]

I don't think this entitles Universal to their back catalogue.

[Jonathan Bogart]

I don't think this entitles Universal to their back catalogue.
Particularly since their back catalogue is split in ownership anyway. No one's getting their hands on the 60s stuff until Abkco takes their greedy little paws off it.

[mattx110]

Wow maybe it's better he has someone younger who is less likely to want to be independent so she can take care of him?
I suspect he's having his 19th midlife crisis. He's a real talented guy, and has been pretty open with the alcoholic drugged mess he used to be, but it sucks if he's still in that frame of mind.

[pariah-1972]

I suspect he's having his 19th midlife crisis. He's a real talented guy, and has been pretty open with the alcoholic drugged mess he used to be, but it sucks if he's still in that frame of mind.I was sort of shocked to hear this news honestly.
i hope this doesn't affect his standing in the Band.

[david r]

I don't think this entitles Universal to their back catalogue.

The article I read today, it said Universal will have control of their albums, up to 1971's Sticky Fingers and forward. They do NOT get the rights to the classic 1960s albums. The deal also includes new music, so it sounded like the Rolling Stones plan another album.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I was sort of shocked to hear this news honestly.
i hope this doesn't affect his standing in the Band.

If the rumor mill is correct then Mick is pissed. Because its said Mick wants to tour Europe this fall or spring. That he realizes he could be hittin an age soon where he may not be able to tour. So he wants to do Europe. And either Ron Wood will be there or not.

[pariah-1972]

If the rumor mill is correct then Mick is pissed. Because its said Mick wants to tour Europe this fall or spring. That he realizes he could be hittin an age soon where he may not be able to tour. So he wants to do Europe. And either Ron Wood will be there or not.The only person who might even be close to qualifying to fit in for Ron at all would possibly be Jeff Beck that i could think of.

[Spike-X]

They could always get Mick Taylor back.

[pariah-1972]

They could always get Mick Taylor back.
Is he still alive? why did he leave in the first place?

[howyadoin]

They could always get Mick Taylor back.I saw him in a bar about 10 years ago. Speakin' of sloppy drunks...

[berk]

They could always get Mick Taylor back.He's got better things to do, or at least I hope he does.

[pariah-1972]

He's got better things to do, or at least I hope he does.Better things to do than work with the greatest rock and roll band in the business?

[Ilash]

I don't think that the Stones and Mick Taylor are on the best of terms. It would be interesting if he did play with them again though, considering how different his playing is from Ronnie's.

[Spike-X]

Is he still alive? why did he leave in the first place?
I think it's one of those 'depends who you ask' situations.

[pariah-1972]

Yeah i'm still stickin' with Jeff Beck or maybe the lead guitarist from the Black Crowes.

[Jonathan Bogart]

Hell, Ronnie has better things to do than be Mick, Keef and Charlie's hired gun. What I'd love to see is him and Rod Stewart getting back together for one last decent record. It'd be one more than the Stones are ever going to make.

[Spike-X]

What I'd love to see is him and Rod Stewart getting back together for one last decent record.

Yeah, good luck with that.

[Jonathan Bogart]

Yeah, good luck with that.
I know, I know . . . you can't always get what you want.

[berk]

Yeah, not sure Stewart is interested in or capable of making that* kind of music anymore.

I think joining the Stones was always a bad move for Wood, artistically. Seemed like it should be a good match on paper, but to my ears it never really worked out musically.

And Taylor leaving the Stones - I haven't heard any contending versions, just that he was getting bored, musically. The Stones were shocked and pissed at the decision, though, from what I remember reading.


*i.e. good

[mattx110]

Yeah i'm still stickin' with Jeff Beck or maybe the lead guitarist from the Black Crowes.
Robinson or Luther Dickinson?

Also, Jeff Beck should do a tour with Ron Wood if anything. Stones are a spectacle that costs a billion a ticket and there's lights and shit.

Ron and Jeff would be awesome music in a dark room.

[Ilash]

Hell, Ronnie has better things to do than be Mick, Keef and Charlie's hired gun. What I'd love to see is him and Rod Stewart getting back together for one last decent record. It'd be one more than the Stones are ever going to make.

I don't know... Rod's fall from grace has been so huge that I think it would take a lot just get a new Stewart/ Wood album up to the levels of, say, Voodoo Lounge.

[pariah-1972]

Robinson or Luther Dickinson?

Also, Jeff Beck should do a tour with Ron Wood if anything. Stones are a spectacle that costs a billion a ticket and there's lights and shit.

Ron and Jeff would be awesome music in a dark room.Robinson !
he writes great timeless riffs and is an amazing slide guitar player .
and all his riffs are turned to A just like Keith's are so it would be a perfect match.

[mattx110]

Robinson !
he writes great timeless riffs and is an amazing slide guitar player .
and all his riffs are turned to A just like Keith's are so it would be a perfect match.
Howzabout Dan Baird, formerly of the Georgia Satellites... http://www.danbaird.net/files/danfive.wmv

[pariah-1972]

Howzabout Dan Baird, formerly of the Georgia Satellites... http://www.danbaird.net/files/danfive.wmvI klnow who he is but im not up on his style of guitar playing.

[mattx110]

I klnow who he is but im not up on his style of guitar playing.
Kinda Chuck Berryish and southern, or was in the early '90s at least. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQr7RxYec-0

[pariah-1972]

Kinda Chuck Berryish and southern, or was in the early '90s at least http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQr7RxYec-0He's good maybe too good but not sure if he has the touring stamina that Rich would have.

[mattx110]

He's good maybe too good but not sure if he has the touring stamina that Rich would have.
He should. He's been touring for years. He's going to be in Switzerland soon....

Not near me:frown:

also, cute song writer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFpsDAL4oKE
not that the Rolling Stones need cute, but it helps.

[pariah-1972]

You know i really really really like that song but the drums are so stiff,
and they sound like the drummer was forced to use a click track that it kind of stands out too much from the song and doesn't blend in like it should.

[pariah-1972]

He should. He's been touring for years. He's going to be in Switzerland soon....

Not near me:frown:

also, cute song writer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFpsDAL4oKE
not that the Rolling Stones need cute, but it helps.LOL i really love "i love you period " just cause at first it sounds like a really good but dumb rock and roll song
but underneath theres a whole nother thing going on which is hard to explain but uses the english language in a really inventive way.

[mattx110]

You know i really really really like that song but the drums are so stiff,
and they sound like the drummer was forced to use a click track that it kind of stands out too much from the song and doesn't blend in like it should.
Maybe it was one of those "I'll be in a band wiht you, but do we need to be in the same room at the same time" moments?

The album I have is kinda like that. That was how they produced at the time I guess.

When he got to the parenthesis I knew it was awesome.

[pariah-1972]

Maybe it was one of those "I'll be in a band wiht you, but do we need to be in the same room at the same time" moments?

The album I have is kinda like that. That was how they produced at the time I guess.Unfortunately it was a big trend during the 80s that really affected the more rootsy type bands and artists.


And believe me i don't know much but the guy sounds like he's using a click track to keep everything really tight and in time.

Hell i think even Keith Moon used one during there later periods but it didn't seem to affect him all that much...

[mattx110]

Unfortunately it was a big trend during the 80s that really affected the more rootsy type bands and artists.


And believe me i don't know much but the guy sounds like he's using a click track to keep everything really tight and in time.

Hell i think even Keith Moon used one during there later periods but it didn't seem to affect him all that much...
Might just be he's stuck in a room himself (or at a different time than everyone else) and they didn't let the drums bleed, so it sounds awkward?

They're such a party band that they have gone loose without losing it.

[pariah-1972]

Might just be he's stuck in a room himself (or at a different time than everyone else) and they didn't let the drums bleed, so it sounds awkward?

They're such a party band that they have gone loose without losing it.

Most bands have the drummer record in a separate room isolated from the band anyways.

anyways theres also the whole reverb thing that got overdone which makes the drums sound really big but hollow.

do you have that album Love songs for the hearing impaired?

[mattx110]

Most bands have the drummer record in a separate room isolated from the band anyways.

anyways theres also the whole reverb thing that got overdone which makes the drums sound really big but hollow.

do you have that album Love songs for the hearing impaired?
No. I didn't know about it until now actually. I only have one album of Georgia Satellites, "In the Land of Salvation and Sin".

[Spike-X]

That was how they produced at the time I guess.


Yeah, it was the 80s. Whaddya do?

[pariah-1972]

Yeah, it was the 80s. Whaddya do?True but its sad cause theres a lot of good rootsy type stuff that i really love that have that stiff sounding drums that makes it sound very very dated.

[websbestcomics]

I can't believe I missed this thread, since I'm a die-hard Stones fan.

Which album from those golden years between Beggars Banquet and Exile on Main Street is your favourite? Were they in fact the greatest rock and roll band of all time during these years?

Exile. And YES.

What do you think about their early covers-heavy R&B period?

It's great for what it was; simple and somewhat restrained compared to what they produced later. The great accomplishment with all of that was their ability to transform it into pop music.

The Stones pop period - 60s pop gold or pale Beatles imitators?

Mostly perfect, except for a stumble in 67 when they made Satantic Majesties.
Even when they falter, they ALWAYS pull out at least one or two gems from the worst albums.

Goats Head Soup through Black and Blue - creative slump or underrated Stonesy goodness?

Hugely underrated. I can't think of a single or album from the 70's that isn't relevant today.

Some Girls - Comeback album or more of the same?

Probably a comeback, although I don't think they ever really slumped before that. Some Girls was just more cohesive than the earlier 70's material (except for Exile, maybe)

They sucked in the 80s (?) but was Tattoo You a brief shining light in the darkness and for that matter was it their last truly great album?

Everyone says the Stones sucked in the 80's, but they had Emotiona Rescue, Tattoo You and Steel Wheels, all of which redeemed them, I think. Undercover was an experimental album and barely even counts, and Dirty Work could have been good if they'd given a damn about it. One Hit (To The Body) is a great track.

Steel Wheels to today - should they have packed it in or are you glad that they're still around? Have any of these albums been able to measure up to the past masterpieces? Does it matter?

I expect, and hope they keep recording and touring until one of them dies. Steel Wheels is pretty bloated and overproduced, but still a classic album. Voodoo Lounge, also somewhat bloated but a great, varied collection of songs. I could never enjoy Bridges To Babylon. It's not bad, it's just wholly unremarkable. I'd actually rank it as their worst album. At least with Undercover or Dirty Work, they have some historical significance and at least 2 stand-out songs on them. Bridges is just a boring exercise for them. A Bigger Bang is excellent, a real old-school album and I'm glad they ditched the backup singers. I'd like to see the Stones do at least one more album, but honestly, as long as they have the chops, I can see no reason why they can't keep doing this well into their 70's.


700000 live albums, which are worth it?

I love Still Life, it's fast-paced and has some great cover tunes on it. Love You Live side 2 is priceless blues and rockabilly.

Favourite Stones guitarist?

Mick Tayler.

Any good bootlegs?

Don't own any.

[david r]

So is this Universal deal a new record contract? Are we going to see new Stones' music? Or is the deal essentially just a new way to distribute the Stones' catalogue, via a new record company?

[pariah-1972]

Has anyone ever heard the Sunday's version of Wild Horses?

i think its as good as the original.

[Spike-X]

I've heard it. It's good, but overrated.

[pariah-1972]

I've heard it. It's good, but overrated.

It can't be overrated ! noone has rated it !!

[Spike-X]

I see it rated quite often as 'one of the best covers ever'.

[pariah-1972]

I see it rated quite often as 'one of the best covers ever'.For real? damn !
i would have to agree tho.

[Ilash]

Yeah, the Sundays'version is fine but it isn't even remotely close to being as good as the absolutely perfect original.

[websbestcomics]

I just watched Shine A Light for the first time last night. I had really hoped for a lot more backstage filming. There are few film examples of The Stones off stage, other than Gimme Shelter, and it would have been good to see more of that. All in all, not a bad film. Buddy Guy and Mick singing Champagne and Reefer was the highlight. Buddy Motherf**ker Guy! The Stones tear through a great live rendition of Undercover Of The Night on the bonus section, also. I've never heard that live, and it was amazing.

I have to say, though, that although Mick's stage performance might actually be the best I've seen from him in years, the rest of the band was pretty sloppy, and they really screwed up on Faraway Eyes. In their defense, though, it was clear that the over-usage of lighting was wearing them down (Mick even screams toward the end of the set 'These lights are burning up my ass!!').

What did everyone else think? Apologies if this has already been discussed, I'm late to the game.

[pariah-1972]

Yeah, the Sundays'version is fine but it isn't even remotely close to being as good as the absolutely perfect original.they are both perfect !

buy the way i rented the Prairie Wind album from the library just to see if i was gonna have a diff opinion of it than the video.

[Ilash]

they are both perfect !

buy the way i rented the Prairie Wind album from the library just to see if i was gonna have a diff opinion of it than the video.

I don't know, near as I can tell, the video was very much the same as the album.

[pariah-1972]

I don't know, near as I can tell, the video was very much the same as the album.Yep pretty much without the songs from Harvest and Harvest moon.
i liked the song about Elvis tho it was kickin'

[howyadoin]

Yep pretty much without the songs from Harvest and Harvest moon.
i liked the song about Elvis tho it was kickin'You know this is the Rolling Stones thread, right?

[Ilash]

But tangents - especially tangents that come out of nowhere - rule!

[pariah-1972]

You know this is the Rolling Stones thread, right?Well i would start a Neil Young thread but it would probably go down in flames like most of my threads.

[Ilash]

I just watched Shine A Light for the first time last night. I had really hoped for a lot more backstage filming. There are few film examples of The Stones off stage, other than Gimme Shelter, and it would have been good to see more of that. All in all, not a bad film. Buddy Guy and Mick singing Champagne and Reefer was the highlight. Buddy Motherf**ker Guy! The Stones tear through a great live rendition of Undercover Of The Night on the bonus section, also. I've never heard that live, and it was amazing.

I have to say, though, that although Mick's stage performance might actually be the best I've seen from him in years, the rest of the band was pretty sloppy, and they really screwed up on Faraway Eyes. In their defense, though, it was clear that the over-usage of lighting was wearing them down (Mick even screams toward the end of the set 'These lights are burning up my ass!!').

What did everyone else think? Apologies if this has already been discussed, I'm late to the game.

I don't know, I for one really loved Shine a Light - though it does probably help that I saw it in the cinema. Some of the performances are a bit screwy but I thought the band was energized as hell. Some of the songs should probably be seen as reinventions (especially Far Away Eyes) even if they weren't intended as such and taken that way, I think most of the songs were really well done. Just My Imagination in particular kicked all kinds of ass. It's a pity that they ended the set with too many old warhorses, as they always do - though this was one of the better live versions I've heard of Satisfaction from recent years..

[Ilash]

Well i would start a Neil Young thread but it would probably go down in flames like most of my threads.

I thought there was one already? And hey, if Neil doesn't deserve his own thread then who does?

[howyadoin]

Well i would start a Neil Young thread but it would probably go down in flames like most of my threads.

I thought there was one already? And hey, if Neil doesn't deserve his own thread then who does?http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=229865

[pariah-1972]

I thought there was one already? And hey, if Neil doesn't deserve his own thread then who does?True i thought he had one too.
I was too lazy to look for it.
:redface:

[websbestcomics]

I don't know, I for one really loved Shine a Light - though it does probably help that I saw it in the cinema. Some of the performances are a bit screwy but I thought the band was energized as hell. Some of the songs should probably be seen as reinventions (especially Far Away Eyes) even if they weren't intended as such and taken that way, I think most of the songs were really well done. Just My Imagination in particular kicked all kinds of ass. It's a pity that they ended the set with too many old warhorses, as they always do - though this was one of the better live versions I've heard of Satisfaction from recent years..

Yeah, I wish they would just retire those old songs from the setlists. It's pointless, we've all heard them a million times. I'm much more interested in the obscure stuff, like 'Sitting' on a Fence' or 'Lies', great songs that have never really had their day in the sun, even when they were new.

Which brings me to another question: If you could pick 20 songs for the Stones to perform live, what would they be?

I'll go first:

1.Hang Fire
2.Parachute Woman
3.Crazy Mama
4.One Hit (To The Body)
5.Emotional Rescue
6.Shake Your Hips
7.Winter
8.Coming Down Again
9.If You Really Want To Be My Friend
10.Congratulations
11.Child Of The Moon
12.I Don't Know Why
13.Lies
14.I Got The Blues
15.2000 Man
16.Undercover Of The Night
17.Slave
18.Blinded By Love
19. Play With Fire
20. Can't You Hear Me Knocking

[Ilash]

Yeah, I wish they would just retire those old songs from the setlists. It's pointless, we've all heard them a million times. I'm much more interested in the obscure stuff, like 'Sitting' on a Fence' or 'Lies', great songs that have never really had their day in the sun, even when they were new.

Which brings me to another question: If you could pick 20 songs for the Stones to perform live, what would they be?

I'll go first:

1.Hang Fire
2.Parachute Woman
3.Crazy Mama
4.One Hit (To The Body)
5.Emotional Rescue
6.Shake Your Hips
7.Winter
8.Coming Down Again
9.If You Really Want To Be My Friend
10.Congratulations
11.Child Of The Moon
12.I Don't Know Why
13.Lies
14.I Got The Blues
15.2000 Man
16.Undercover Of The Night
17.Slave
18.Blinded By Love
19. Play With Fire
20. Can't You Hear Me Knocking

Man, I totally forgot to respond to this but actually I really would love to hear this setlist with one or two changes. Most especially, I would replace Lies with She Was Hot or something. I've never liked that song.

[Ilash]

I purchased Undercover a few days ago and have listened to it quite a few times and, I have to say, that right now I'm leaning more towards it not being very good generally. Of course it might grow on me or maybe it's just that you have to have more of a fondness for the mainstream 80s pop sound than I do. I do really like the first four songs (She Was Hot rules! So does I Wanna Hold You) but things go downhill after that.

On the other hand, I'm listening to A Bigger Bang for the first time in ages and you know what, I think I may have been too hard on it. Sure, creatively, it's really pretty lazy (much more so than Undercover) - kind of It's Only Rock and Roll for the 2000s - and I do think it could have been much better than it is but I'm actually really digging the hell out of it right now. Even Don Was' production isn't bothering me at all right now and Jagger's vocals are a lot less grating than I recall them being. Most of all though, I'm really just having a hell of a lot of fun with it and hearing much more of the old Stones magic than I used to hear in previous listens to the album.

Don't get me wrong, objectively all of my problems are still here - even if sometimes to a lesser degree - but on a pure entertainment level I think I'm going to have to rethink my position on this album.

Also, Look What the Cat Dragged In totally rocks! How did I miss this?

Another Stones album wins me over - I love it when this happens!

[david r]

I purchased Undercover a few days ago and have listened to it quite a few times and, I have to say, that right now I'm leaning more towards it not being very good generally. Of course it might grow on me or maybe it's just that you have to have more of a fondness for the mainstream 80s pop sound than I do. I do really like the first four songs (She Was Hot rules! So does I Wanna Hold You) but things go downhill after that.

I find Undercover a weak album. I was fairly shocked when Howyadoin' said he liked it. I mean, "Too Much Blood" must be ranked a pretty terrible, lazy song. I find the only memorable tune is the title one. Granted, I haven't listened to this 1983 record in years, so perhaps I should give it another try.


On the other hand, I'm listening to A Bigger Bang for the first time in ages and you know what, I think I may have been too hard on it.


I feel A Bigger Bang is good, not great. I felt the 1st half was entertaining. The song "Rain Fall Down" is how the 21st century Stones should sound. Modern sounding and relevant, with a different sound you don't expect from this group. And "Back of My Hand" is a good bluesy number. But the 2nd half was mediocre. "She Saw Me Coming" fairly embarrasing. And "Sweet Neo Con" made me wince! "Infamy" rocks though.

[Ilash]

I find Undercover a weak album. I was fairly shocked when Howyadoin' said he liked it. I mean, "Too Much Blood" must be ranked a pretty terrible, lazy song. I find the only memorable tune is the title one. Granted, I haven't listened to this 1983 record in years, so perhaps I should give it another try.

Yeah and Howy's not the only one. I've seen quite a few Stones fans jump to its defence. Like I said though, it might grow on me and I do like the start of the album so it's not as terrible as I often heard.




I feel A Bigger Bang is good, not great. I felt the 1st half was entertaining. The song "Rain Fall Down" is how the 21st century Stones should sound. Modern sounding and relevant, with a different sound you don't expect from this group. And "Back of My Hand" is a good bluesy number. But the 2nd half was mediocre. "She Saw Me Coming" fairly embarrasing. And "Sweet Neo Con" made me wince! "Infamy" rocks though.

No it's absolutely true that by the Stones' level, A Bigger Bang is relatively middle of the road for them but I can now say I enjoy the whole thing from beginning to end. I for one actually rather like She Saw Me Coming and seeing as how I've made a concious decision to block out the pretty rubbish lyrics throughout the album, Sweet Neo Con is actually quite entertaining on a musical level. Which is the point, I guess. Lower your expectations accordingly and A Bigger Bang turns into a really good time album.