Anyone else hate the new Supergirl?

[NinjaJack]

After some great female heroes in DC, well tons, I think she`s a terrible choice over Conner to make it out of Crisis. She has a temper, she can`t and refuses to control her powers. And just recently made out with who she thought was her own cousin. Come on now, I thought the DC girls were the ones with class.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

I have no problems with hot-headed superheroines, it´s a stage thing, "she´s young, she´ll learn".

BUT (and this is a crucial but) I do have a prob with the way the whole affair was handled, they managed to ruin one of the most loveable characters for no reason.

Plus....
I hear SG sells in spades.
Well, that´s nice but for me, Supergirl was never about t&a, pantieshots should be the exception, not the rule....,

[DarkCrisis]

I really wish she was written like she is over in Legion. Happy-Go-Lucky and fun.

Emo Kara is suckin hard. I half expect her to start a MySpace page in a new issue.

[cactusmaac]

I don't know why they simply couldn't have used the Kara from the animated series.

[The Shadow]

I think it's great and I like the new SG.


As a side note if you don't like her don't read the book!

[Kid Kamikaze10]

The Supergirl hanging out with the LSH is great.

The "regular" one...... Lets just say I think her Earth-2 counterpart deserves a series much more than her. I've only liked her in cameos.

[Jack Zodiac]

What sucks is, she could be great. She is, for all intents and purposes, the real Supergirl. The one we all loved back before the Crisis stole her. And she could be greater than Superboy, if a writer would just handle her properly. I didn't mind her being an angry and confused stranger when she first showed up two years a go, but she's been mentored by the Trinity and plenty of others in that time, she discovered her purpose and fought her shadow, and should have come out of all of that a better hero and a better person. Not a pissy brat with no direction.

[Lorendiac]

I haven't actually read the last couple of issues of Supergirl's title, so I'm not too upset about them.

But I don't hate what I've seen of her. I just don't feel very interested in her as a character, one way or the other.

Last week I saw a thread called "How would you fix Supergirl?" (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=136475) and I responded by posting several paragraphs describing what I thought my general take on her would be if I suddenly became the regular writer on her title for a couple of years. I liked the attitude expressed in the title of that thread better than I like the question about "hating" her in this thread -- I don't think she's hopeless as a character, I just think she needs much better writing! (Doesn't every superhero get stuck in that trap at one time or another? Sometimes for a decade or two at a stretch?)

[Jack Zodiac]

Usually, after even less than a year of truly horrible writing, a book loses enough sales to be cancelled. For whatever reason... Supergirl remains one of DC's best-selling books. I'd like to think it's hope. :p

[longshot7]

The problem with Supergirl, similar to Superman, is that she's a hard character to write. Seemingly unbeatable, it's hard to create situations that put her or her world in peril. The thing that makes Superman so compelling is that while being invulnerable on the outside, his heart can be broken. He also has a terrific supporting cast which Kara doesn't have.

I'd like to point out these issues were almost all non-issues during Linda Danvers' run as Supergirl. She wasn't all-powerful, she had a good supporting cast, and Peter David had a terrific take on her character (the whole earth-bound angel thing.) I wish she was back, but alas, that's not going to happen until the next Crisis.

[Jack Zodiac]

See, I disagree. Yeah, Superman might be ridiculously powerful, but that's not a part of his character that developes his stories or his personality. It's his actions. In Kara's position, Superman would have done things entirely differently.

Have you read the most recent issues of Superman or Action Comics? They're great. Superman's still the same powerful hero he's always been, but the situations he's been in have required more finesse than just flying and punching (not that those situations lacked any flying and punching when necessary!), and have been fun and enjoyable reads. Plenty of interaction with his great supporting cast, and at the same time enough adventure to keep it entertaining.

Supergirl needs that. I'd like to see her become an occasional guest in Superman's own books, where she can escape her dilemmic situation in her own book until it starts to smooth out.

I'll tell you one thing, though. Putting her in The Outsiders ain't gonna' help anything.

[Patient Boy]

After some great female heroes in DC, well tons, I think she`s a terrible choice over Conner to make it out of Crisis. She has a temper, she can`t and refuses to control her powers. And just recently made out with who she thought was her own cousin. Come on now, I thought the DC girls were the ones with class.

Wait... what?

[Jack Zodiac]

In her own title, she was rused into falling in love with an evil impersonator of Superman. She knew it wasn't Clark, but the imagery is still creepy.

[Patient Boy]

In her own title, she was rused into falling in love with an evil impersonator of Superman. She knew it wasn't Clark, but the imagery is still creepy.

That's like imaging Jan and Zayna making out. Just plain weird.

[MrSuslov]

That's like imaging Jan and Zayna making out. Just plain weird.
Frank Cho is the man who's made it happen. A Google image search for his name ought to give you what I'm referring to.

[SensorBoy]

Frank Cho is the man who's made it happen. A Google image search for his name ought to give you what I'm referring to.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/piotrov/fightclub1.jpg

[NinjaJack]

Supergirl needs that. I'd like to see her become an occasional guest in Superman's own books, where she can escape her dilemmic situation in her own book until it starts to smooth out.

I'll tell you one thing, though. Putting her in The Outsiders ain't gonna' help anything.


*randomly kills Jimmy Olsen*

What:eek: Shes not really going to join the X-Men...I mean the Outsiders is she?

[Captain Smith]

I've basically found her story line to be incoherent or ill thought out. Do folks remember the Kara killed in the COIE? Is her origin firmly established?

It's a mess and I don't particularly want to follow her. I prefer PG as I think her original survival after the COIE should have been kept rather than that mess.

So I don't hate her but she has generated little interest for me.

[Lorendiac]

I've basically found her story line to be incoherent or ill thought out. Do folks remember the Kara killed in the COIE? Is her origin firmly established?

That's a very interesting question about whether anybody in the DCU would now remember the Silver Age Supergirl, the one who died in COIE way back when and then disappeared into oblivion when all Superman-related continuity got Rebooted. Let me run with it for a minute as I try to sort out my own ideas on the subject.

As I understand it, the answer to "do folks remember her?" was a firm "No" for many years -- and I believe that this answer includes the timeframe of the events reported in the first five issues of the new Supergirl title (Loeb's short-lived run, which I bought in TPB just recently and read for the first time).

I believe that answer of "No" remained valid until we approached the end of the Infinite Crisis mini. Then (I forget if it was first mentioned in #6, #7, or what) it was revealed that old-timer Earth-2 heroes who now live in the modern DCU were suddenly remembering that yes, once upon a time there used to be a Superman named Kal-L who worked with the JSA in the 1940s. In other words, they were remembering at least some of the details of the differences between Earth-1 and Earth-2 history when those were separate parallel worlds in the old Multiverse.

Now, as to what anybody remembers "today" about the "nonexistent" Earth-1 Supergirl, now that IC has finally wound down . . . I don't know.

On the face of it, it seems plausible that if the heroes who were the Golden Age users of such proud names as Green Lantern, Flash, and Wildcat now remember the Earth-2 Superman, then they could very well remember all the old inter-universal teamups of the Earth-1 JLA and Earth-2 JSA in the good old days, and they might even remember meeting Earth-1 Superman in those days and maybe meeting, or just hearing about, his cute blond cousin, Kara Zor-El (Supergirl).

I said "plausible." I didn't say "certain." Offhand, I don't recall any dialogue in IC that made it clear that old-timer Earth-2 heroes distinctly remembered the parts of Earth-1 continuity that used to be valid before COIE, but were later erased (such as all those old Silver Age Superman stories and Supergirl stories). It is also possible that the Earth-2 types have only regained memories of what their own, separate universe used to be like, but remember little or nothing about anything they learned in the Pre-COIE days about Earth-1 or any other corner of the old Multiverse.

And I don't remember any sign that any of the heroes who originally hailed from Earth-1 in the Pre-COIE days now remember what "Earth-1" used to be like before the massive retcons and reboots that followed in the wake of COIE.

Meanwhile, on the same day that IC #7 was released, Dan DiDio said that Matrix Supergirl has been retconned out (erased) and Geoff Johns said that Linda Danvers Supergirl has not been retconned out. (I got the terrible feeling there was a major communications gap somewhere at DC on the subject of the various Supergirls, though I could be wrong.)

It's been a few months and I've heard no official "follow-up" on that confusing point to tell us just which (if any) of the different variations on the Supergirl concept from the 20-year period between COIE and IC are still "in continuity" in any way, shape, or form!

My gut feeling says: "If it becomes Official that Matrix Supergirl, Matrix-merged-with-Linda Supergirl, and Linda-all-by-herself Supergirl have all been erased from Post-IC continuity, then I expect that the same statement would apply to their predecessor (the original Kara Zor-El Supergirl) as part of the sacred effort to make Jeph Loeb's Rebooted Supergirl be 'The One and Only Original Supergirl That Superman or Anybody Else Even Remembers Now!'"

I mean: It would hardly make sense to kick Matrix and Linda out of continuity in the name of "housecleaning to simplify the picture," while simultaneously dragging an even older, long-dead and long-erased Supergirl, back into continuity, would it?

And we all know that DC's leaders are motived by rational, logical reasons for all the changes they make these days, right? (I ask, whistling in the dark.)

I've been waiting for DC to clarify some of these tangled points so that I can update my old "Timeline of First Appearances of each Supergirl, Superwoman, etc." to reflect the changes that IC has made in "modern continuity," but until you asked that question I quoted, I hadn't seriously considered that my eventual update may need to mention that some people (old Earth-2 heroes, for instance) might have ended up remembering the Silver Age Supergirl all over again! It's at times like this that I understand why Marv Wolfman has gone on record with the opinion that he hates the painful side effects of trying to keep dozens of titles, thousands of individual issues of different series, all coordinated into one great big universal "continuity."

[Dussan]

The problem with Supergirl, similar to Superman, is that she's a hard character to write. Seemingly unbeatable, it's hard to create situations that put her or her world in peril. The thing that makes Superman so compelling is that while being invulnerable on the outside, his heart can be broken. He also has a terrific supporting cast which Kara doesn't have.

I'd like to point out these issues were almost all non-issues during Linda Danvers' run as Supergirl. She wasn't all-powerful, she had a good supporting cast, and Peter David had a terrific take on her character (the whole earth-bound angel thing.) I wish she was back, but alas, that's not going to happen until the next Crisis.

PAD take on Supergirl did not sit well with me. Original is best.

Personally they should have taken the animated Supergirl, and ripped her off. Cause she rocks.

[MythicBrawn]

She's superfluous. Yet, another addition to the Superman family when it was supposed to be trimmed back. She should be even harder to write stories for since she's supposed to be more powerful than Superman. DC should just bring back the Silver age and be done with it. They know they want to.

[Agentum]

Put me on the list even if i think hate is a bit strong, i'm not fond of the standard teen character that arrives and knows it all and is suposed to be cooler than the older heroes, i like it if they have somethng to learn from the older heroes.
I'm a bit tired of the girl this girl that, were is the women? "girl" to me sounds as a second rate person compared to "man", somebody that is not needed to take so seriously.

But mostly it is the garbage writing that has been in her own book, it's back into the early 90s stuff for idiots.
I liked the David Supergirl better than this one.

I mean they bragged how this Supergirl was here to stay, that they now knew what was needed to keep her alive, and then they make the comics like they want her dead as soon as possible, i think Davids thinking of some kind of birds of prey supergirl group would have been more intresting.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

After some great female heroes in DC, well tons, I think she`s a terrible choice over Conner to make it out of Crisis. She has a temper, she can`t and refuses to control her powers. And just recently made out with who she thought was her own cousin. Come on now, I thought the DC girls were the ones with class.

Count me in among the Supergirl haters. I just don't like her. It's annoying when comic companies start to create female versions of known characters. And it takes away some of the uniqueness Supes is known for. He should be the last Kryptonian. The last.

[Jack Zodiac]

I don't mind her existence. She's part of a the Superman mythos, and not having her around in a real, solid way for a decade sucked, then having her around in a half-assed way for another decade sucked even more, so her return as the real Post-Crisis Kara Zor-El was great.

Nearly everything that's come after the conception of, "Hey, let's bring back Kara Zor-El!" however has been pure crap. She lacks everything required for a hero to thrive: a supporting cast, a rogues gallery, and a clearly defined personality and direction. And yet her book flies off the shelves? What the hell?

[Eliseu Gouveia]

And yet her book flies off the shelves? What the hell?

Cheesecake seels, what else is new?

[Jack Zodiac]

I really hope that doesn't carry the book much longer. For the first arc, people probably stuck around just to see what the hell her origin was. They're dragging that one plot point out forever, and it's getting to the point that I'm starting to feel it isn't worth waiting out the crappy writing to find out. Hopefully others'll follow suit and someone will be forced to... I'unno... write her better.

[KET]

I really hope that doesn't carry the book much longer. For the first arc, people probably stuck around just to see what the hell her origin was. They're dragging that one plot point out forever, and it's getting to the point that I'm starting to feel it isn't worth waiting out the crappy writing to find out.

It isn't.

And FYI, the current powers that be at DC are NEVER going give this 'new' Kara anything other than a VAGUE ORIGIN, becuase they know that once that's done, the book might as well be cancelled. Eddie Berganza evidently learned his lesson from the last time around.

Hopefully others'll follow suit and someone will be forced to... I'unno... write her better.

Not gonna happen until Berganza (the guy who also green-lit Cirl-El) stops editing this book.

[Alan2099]

Mark me down on the hate list. She's done nothing so far that intrests me and I'm nio fan of the skimpy Supergirl costume either.

[Guts/Batman]

Mark me down on the hate list. She's done nothing so far that intrests me and I'm nio fan of the skimpy Supergirl costume either.

Agreed totally here. It seems that Loeb had a plan, then left and DC developed a new plan and didn't know how the Hell they were going to bridge the plans.

[sabongero]

I have just recently started reading comics again this past June. Before that it was like almost 15 years ago. The last thing in my memory is that Supergirl died in the mid 80s maxi-series Crisis on Infinite Earths. Then in the Superman Animated Series and the Justice League Unlimited animated series there was a Supergirl, but not related to Superman.

It's not that I hate this current version of Supergirl, it's that I did not like the way she was written in Supergirl issues 1 to 8. It could have been better. It seems that she is being portrayed as somewhat stronger than Superman. Nothing against the opposite sex being stronger than Superman, but Superman was the last Kryptonian and is supposed to be the strongest (in terms of strength) in the DC Universe. Now you have a potential cousin who is supposed to be potentially stronger ? Okay no problem. Don't just make her stronger than Superman, allow an explanation why this is so.

At the same time the current Supergirl seems to be too angry. Is her recent developments being based on Superboy Prime now ? If this is so then we can have another "Crisis" with another Super Being going from good to bad as the villain.

I guess the writers or editors in DC is trying to convey teenage behaviors in the current Supergirl. No problem. Just handle it more on the character and less on the T & A as the posters have indicated. Try and develop her to be a likeable character. Too much anger will turn off many readers. Anger is good but to a certain extent.

But I will keep on reading the Supergirl title just to see where the writers take this Supergirl is actually stronger than Superman extended arc.

- Ken

" Carpe Diem"

[sabongero]

I have just recently started reading comics again this past June. Before that it was like almost 15 years ago. The last thing in my memory is that Supergirl died in the mid 80s maxi-series Crisis on Infinite Earths. Then in the Superman Animated Series and the Justice League Unlimited animated series there was a Supergirl, but not related to Superman.

It's not that I hate this current version of Supergirl, it's that I did not like the way she was written in Supergirl issues 1 to 8. It could have been better. It seems that she is being portrayed as somewhat stronger than Superman. Nothing against the opposite sex being stronger than Superman, but Superman was the last Kryptonian and is supposed to be the strongest (in terms of strength) in the DC Universe. Now you have a potential cousin who is supposed to be potentially stronger ? Okay no problem. Don't just make her stronger than Superman, allow an explanation why this is so.

At the same time the current Supergirl seems to be too angry. Is her recent developments being based on Superboy Prime now ? If this is so then we can have another "Crisis" with another Super Being going from good to bad as the villain.

I guess the writers or editors in DC is trying to convey teenage behaviors in the current Supergirl. No problem. Just handle it more on the character and less on the T & A as the posters have indicated. Try and develop her to be a likeable character. Too much anger will turn off many readers. Anger is good but to a certain extent.

But I will keep on reading the Supergirl title just to see where the writers take this Supergirl is actually stronger than Superman extended arc.

- Ken

" Carpe Diem"

[Rylon]

I think that Supergirl needs a regular suporting cast, without that, the character won't click with many people.

[Steel Spider]

I want to like Kara but the writers are making it difficult. Give the title to Joss Whedon (if he's interested) because he's excellent at writing super-powered teenage girls.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I have just recently started reading comics again this past June. Before that it was like almost 15 years ago. The last thing in my memory is that Supergirl died in the mid 80s maxi-series Crisis on Infinite Earths. Then in the Superman Animated Series and the Justice League Unlimited animated series there was a Supergirl, but not related to Superman.

It's not that I hate this current version of Supergirl, it's that I did not like the way she was written in Supergirl issues 1 to 8. It could have been better. It seems that she is being portrayed as somewhat stronger than Superman. Nothing against the opposite sex being stronger than Superman, but Superman was the last Kryptonian and is supposed to be the strongest (in terms of strength) in the DC Universe. Now you have a potential cousin who is supposed to be potentially stronger ? Okay no problem. Don't just make her stronger than Superman, allow an explanation why this is so.

At the same time the current Supergirl seems to be too angry. Is her recent developments being based on Superboy Prime now ? If this is so then we can have another "Crisis" with another Super Being going from good to bad as the villain.

I guess the writers or editors in DC is trying to convey teenage behaviors in the current Supergirl. No problem. Just handle it more on the character and less on the T & A as the posters have indicated. Try and develop her to be a likeable character. Too much anger will turn off many readers. Anger is good but to a certain extent.

But I will keep on reading the Supergirl title just to see where the writers take this Supergirl is actually stronger than Superman extended arc.

- Ken

" Carpe Diem"

Meh... Superman recently kicked her and her evil clone's ass.

[BigBoss]

I hate it when the writers try to cash in on the succes of the same thing except different sex.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I hate it when the writers try to cash in on the succes of the same thing except different sex.

Totally agree with you.

[TheTen-EyedMan]

And just recently made out with who she thought was her own cousin.

After that, here's who must play Supergirl in the movie.

http://www.candycelebs.com/jessica-simpson/images/jessica-simpson-bikini.jpg


Oh My God.

[davids]

Please some one feed her. a sandwich, A steak with a couple of baked potaoes with sour cream a slice or two of good new york cheese cake. maybe a milk shack to wash it all down. Just get some food into her. How in the hell can she go tow to tow with all the baddies if she is so damn skinny?

she needs at least a year on the kent farm so ma kent can fatten her up a little bit!:evilsmile

[DarkCrisis]

Over in Legion, Kara is GREAT!

But in her own book she's just some MySpace whining Emo girl.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

After that, here's who must play Supergirl in the movie.

http://www.phun.org/celebrities/jessica_simpson/jessica_simpson_17.jpg


Oh My God.

Can't see the pic. But I saw the link. Jessica Simpson? Ugh. I also heard that Mischa (sp?) Barton was in that list.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

After reading issue 9, I hate her with a burning passion.

[TheTen-EyedMan]

Can't see the pic. But I saw the link. Jessica Simpson? Ugh. I also heard that Mischa (sp?) Barton was in that list.

Fixed the picture.

And here's Mischa.

Who is much more fetching.

I call her Mischa "funkyface" Barton.

http://www.vidiot.com/OC/images/OC-MischaBarton-01.jpg

She has the unique trait that Kiera Knightley has. A very, very interesting looking face.

She's not just there and beautiful.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

After reading issue 9, I hate her with a burning passion.

Care to say what happened in that issue?

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Fixed the picture.

And here's Mischa.

Who is much more fetching.

I call her Mischa "funkyface" Barton.

http://www.vidiot.com/OC/images/OC-MischaBarton-01.jpg

She has the unique trait that Kiera Knightley has. A very, very interesting looking face.

She's not just there and beautiful.

Thanx for the pic. Pretty face, thin body. I don't know what's happening with those girls. Getting all skinny, cuz it's the goddamn "fashion". I want some meat, dammit.

[Captain Smith]

No offense but can you shrink that sig - if you are in a conversation, you take up all the screen with the big blue letters. We get the point.

[protege]

Cheesecake seels, what else is new?
"Cheesecake seals?"

[protege]

After that, here's who must play Supergirl in the movie.

http://www.candycelebs.com/jessica-simpson/images/jessica-simpson-bikini.jpg


Oh My God.
She looks more like Daisy Duke than Supergirl.

[protege]

Care to say what happened in that issue?
go back a couple of pages.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

"Cheesecake seals?"

What, you don´t like http://www.hsus.org/web-files/protect_seals/200x150_ragged_seal.jpg ?

[666MasterOfPuppets]

No offense but can you shrink that sig - if you are in a conversation, you take up all the screen with the big blue letters. We get the point.

Hehehe. To be honest, you're the first person that says that to me.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

go back a couple of pages.

Yeah, thanks. I now know.

[Alex A Sanchez]

After reading issue 9, I hate her with a burning passion.

After reading issue #9 I love her. I'm really pumped for this series now.

[Jack Zodiac]

She looks more like Daisy Duke than Supergirl.

Her tits are too big for her to be Supergirl. Oh, yeah, and she sucks at acting. :rolleyes:

[Lorendiac]

She looks more like Daisy Duke than Supergirl.

Don't be ridiculous. What fool would cast Jessica Simpson as Daisy Duke? :eek:

[TheTen-EyedMan]

What, you don´t like http://www.hsus.org/web-files/protect_seals/200x150_ragged_seal.jpg ?


http://216.243.184.131/indeximages/2004/September/Heidi%20Klum%20little%20bikini.jpg

Heidi Klum seems to really like them. She married one.

[Black Atom]

I don't mind the idea of a Supergirl, but the execution blows this time around. I've pretty much hated her since her appearance in the Superman/Batman arc, mostly because of Michael Turner's hypersexualized portrayal of her, which has never really been dialed down. All this time later, I still can't really
get past it (ditching the slutty costume would help), and what little personality she does have hasn't helped.