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Devil_LeonX
07-31-2006, 01:29 AM
I recently just saw these great episodes, and as I saw the The begining for the first in a long time, What Luthor said made sense, ABout how Superman could have simply ended an untold amount of problems had he simply Killed Lex. I Love Superman for being such a Good person, But wouldnt it be better if he did make certain EXCEPTIONS if you will? And 1 other thing What the hells the deal with Superman's comment about Batman being the smart one? I know Superman Tends to depend upon his powers a bit more then his Mind, But BY NO MEANS IS he not as smart as Batman or even Lex!
cactusmaac
07-31-2006, 04:58 AM
It's not Superman's job to act as an executioner. It's up to the legal system to decide whther Luthor should fry or not.
Supes was referring more to Batman's street smarts, cunning and sneakiness than his IQ.
Doesn't the rest of that episode show exactly why Superman shouldn't make those kind of exceptions?
Sanagi
07-31-2006, 03:34 PM
Doesn't the rest of that episode show exactly why Superman shouldn't make those kind of exceptions?
Yeah, that's kinda the point. It's hard to look Superman in the eye when he could just as easily melt your brain with heat vision.
Devil_LeonX
08-01-2006, 09:21 PM
True, that episodes show what happens ifhe did make exceptions, it was just that what Lex said made sense..........somewhat. What the other supes went to the EXTREME I am merely asking if he should make those choices for people that Beat the system and are a Clear danger to an untold amount of lives.
Ronnigon
08-02-2006, 02:37 AM
Bah.
Of course Superman isn't going to ever kill Lex Luthor.
If he killed Lex Luthor, that would defeat his purpose in life: to gain acceptance and adulation from the human race, in order to fit in.
Fitting in is Superman's real weakness... not kryptonite. Kryptonite is really just a trifle... a formality.
Only by continually saving the human race from Luthor, does Superman earn their acceptance and love, which he so lives in fear of losing.
That's why Superman really needs Luthor, and will never kill him.
Gernot
08-02-2006, 06:35 AM
Then why doesn't Batman kill The Joker? If Superman's as petty as you say, wouldn't Batman be even PETTIER and such? Why wouldn't HE kill HIS foe?
Batman doesn't worry or care about fitting in. In fact, the current version doesn't see anyone with whom he COULD fit in, even if he WANTED to.
shaunyc56
08-02-2006, 07:00 AM
I recently just saw these great episodes, and as I saw the The begining for the first in a long time, What Luthor said made sense, ABout how Superman could have simply ended an untold amount of problems had he simply Killed Lex. I Love Superman for being such a Good person, But wouldnt it be better if he did make certain EXCEPTIONS if you will? And 1 other thing What the hells the deal with Superman's comment about Batman being the smart one? I know Superman Tends to depend upon his powers a bit more then his Mind, But BY NO MEANS IS he not as smart as Batman or even Lex!
So wait, your saying that Superman is as smart as Lex and Bruce. Well I guess, I do remeber all those stellar Detective adventures of Superman, as well as all those times he showed his knowledge of engineering, bioligy, and business. So yeah, I guess he does have the same level of intelligence as Lex and Batman.
So wait, your saying that Superman is as smart as Lex and Bruce. Well I guess, I do remeber all those stellar Detective adventures of Superman, as well as all those times he showed his knowledge of engineering, bioligy, and business. So yeah, I guess he does have the same level of intelligence as Lex and Batman.
Helllooooo Super-Intelligence!
shaunyc56
08-02-2006, 08:06 AM
Helllooooo Super-Intelligence!
Right, your right, how could I have forgotten. Smashing through walls is always the most prudent measure, Tactically speaking.
Right, your right, how could I have forgotten. Smashing through walls is always the most prudent measure, Tactically speaking.
Blame the writers for bad tactics, not the character.
Right, your right, how could I have forgotten. Smashing through walls is always the most prudent measure, Tactically speaking.
Super intelligence was a ridiculous (yet charming) power that I was just using to refute you. Pre-Crisis Superman had a very very good grasp of the hard sciences. He may not have had a business sense or good detective skills (but really, why did he need it? If something got stolen he could probably just scour the earth with his X-ray vision looking for it. If someone was in hiding he could probably use his superhearing to find his heartbeat. Hey, Daredevil did it.) but he was very adept in physics and biology and engineering and pretty much anything that he needed to do short of restoring Kandor to normal size.
Bruce Wayne Jr.
08-02-2006, 11:01 AM
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I love this episode.
mattx110
08-02-2006, 11:29 AM
the comment "batman's the smart one" was kind of a joke, plus it meant "i don't do things like that anymore, i'm a new superman that doesn't take that kinda crap anymore." anyway, this whole episode(2 episodes) is worth it for the batman fight.
shaunyc56
08-02-2006, 11:43 AM
Super intelligence was a ridiculous (yet charming) power that I was just using to refute you. Pre-Crisis Superman had a very very good grasp of the hard sciences. He may not have had a business sense or good detective skills (but really, why did he need it? If something got stolen he could probably just scour the earth with his X-ray vision looking for it. If someone was in hiding he could probably use his superhearing to find his heartbeat. Hey, Daredevil did it.) but he was very adept in physics and biology and engineering and pretty much anything that he needed to do short of restoring Kandor to normal size.
Ahhh Superalien, perfect in every way. Just thinking about that makes me *snore* *snore* *snore*
Ahhh Superalien, perfect in every way. Just thinking about that makes me *snore* *snore* *snore*
Say what you will, it's definitely not for everyone, but I loved them. The more fantastic Superman gets, the better for me.
Devil_LeonX
08-02-2006, 07:08 PM
Say what you will, it's definitely not for everyone, but I loved them. The more fantastic Superman gets, the better for me.
Course the more Awesome he gets, the harder it is to write storys about him, thus he becomes boring to most people anyway.Personally he was a little to weak and SLOW in JL, Sense HES THE FASTEST in THE ENIRE LEAGUE! Besides Flash of course.
Tman2135
08-03-2006, 02:20 PM
I think that the last Batman story before Infinite Crisis handled the "over the line" question very well. Jason wasn't asking about Bane or Clayface, or someone with the potential for huge amounts of destruction, just the Joker. If Batman were to kill one of his enemies, the Joker would be the easiest to justify. The two semi-canonical future stories (Kingdom Come and TDKR) show us that the Joker eventually does die for his crimes at the hands of a vigilante, whether or not that is his fate is not the question. Unfortunately for Superman, he does not have a similar nemesis. Sure, Lex has caused him grief for decades, as has Brainiac. But they haven't pushed Supes over the line like the Joker did for Batman. The second volume of Superman/Batman gave us a small inkling of what that would be like when Darkseid seemingly atomized Supergirl, but Superman did not end Darkseid's life. We see why at the end of course, but that is beside the point. No Superman villian has killed Lois Lane, Supergirl, Wonder Woman, or Jimmy Olsen in cold blood. To push Superman into a Batman-like darkness, the company would have to sacrifice one of those three characters in Jason Todd fashion. Until then, Superman will continue to uphold truth, justice, and the american way and let the authorities deal out punishment.
And there is, of course, the fact that Superman HAS killed already.
Devil_LeonX
08-03-2006, 10:23 PM
And there is, of course, the fact that Superman HAS killed already.
Really!!?? I wasnt aware that he killed anyone, less your talking about SMALLVILLE , everyone that finds out Clark has powers seems to DIE very ACCIDENTLY.
Apathy Boy
08-04-2006, 01:38 AM
Course the more Awesome he gets, the harder it is to write storys about himThat's a weakness of the writer, not the character. You would have to be a very, very bad writer with no imagination to be unable to write a story about a character whose story potential is limitless.
Anywho, I don't care how evil Lex was. You do NOT kill a current or former President of the United States unless you want to seriously screw up the world.
He's killed. Back in 89, he executed the Phantom Zone criminals from another dimension. Pulled out their green kryptonite (which didn't affect him) and flat out killed them. In that one issue, Superman acted as judge, jury, and executioner, mostly I believe, because he believed no one else could.
He did go off the deep end about the whole thing though. It led to a bunch of stories that tested his sanity.
ShadowSonic
08-05-2006, 05:13 PM
Well, in that story he had the legal authority to execute them. The sole surviving inhabitants of that world told Superman he could do whatever he wanted to stop those three. With this legal liberty he acted to stop them once and for all.
PatrickG
08-05-2006, 09:40 PM
He's killed. Back in 89, he executed the Phantom Zone criminals from another dimension. Pulled out their green kryptonite (which didn't affect him) and flat out killed them. In that one issue, Superman acted as judge, jury, and executioner, mostly I believe, because he believed no one else could.
He did go off the deep end about the whole thing though. It led to a bunch of stories that tested his sanity.
Out of continuity... *ahem*
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