X-Men: The Last Stand DVD - 10/3/06!! [Archive] - Page 2

AceOfSpades

10-13-2006, 03:28 PM

How is it a cop-out? All it did was show that the effect of the 'Cure' wasn't as permanent as Worthington Labs and the FDA believed. I thought it was a good ending, and made Rogue taking the cure less of a crappy scene, as we know her powers will likely re-manifest. It's an escape clause if they decide to do X4.
and yet I was stilll really angry when Rogue did take the cure. And I was further enfuriated when I saw that one of the "deleted" scenes was her NOT having recieved the cure. I was like "DAMNIT!!! They chose the wrong scene!!!"

curefreak

10-13-2006, 03:29 PM

and yet I was stilll really angry when Rogue did take the cure. And I was further enfuriated when I saw that one of the "deleted" scenes was her NOT having recieved the cure. I was like "DAMNIT!!! They chose the wrong scene!!!"
dont you think it made sense for her to take the cure especially when she was very close to losing her boyfriend ?

Beast

10-13-2006, 03:31 PM

dont you think it made sense for her to take the cure especially when she was very close to losing her boyfriend ?
That's a hugely flawed argument, like saying Ultimate 'Kidnapping' Kurt is Romantic. If she did it for anyone, it should have been for herself. She was nowhere near losing her boyfriend. She was the one who was having all the issues in the relationship. Jumping to conclusions on how Bobby felt and about him and Kitty.

AceOfSpades

10-13-2006, 03:35 PM

curefreak

10-13-2006, 03:35 PM

That's a hugely flawed argument, like saying Ultimate 'Kidnapping' Kurt is Romantic. If she did it for anyone, it should have been for herself. She was nowhere near losing her boyfriend. She was the one who was having all the issues in the relationship. Jumping to conclusions on how Bobby felt and about him and Kitty.
you know youre logic is losing its steam and i think you just like to come on and contradict everything i say, because the whole plot point was spelled out rogue was scared of losing her boyfriend to kitty, wither she actually was or not is pointless, and of course she choose the cure for herself so she could actually touch people including her boyfriend its not like she did it selflessly for her boyfriend since i dont remember bobby asking her to take it.

Beast

10-13-2006, 03:39 PM

you know youre logic is losing its steam and i think you just like to come on and contradict everything i say, because the whole plot point was spelled out rogue was scared of losing her boyfriend to kitty, wither she actually was or not is pointless, and of course she choose the cure for herself so she could actually touch people including her boyfriend its not like she did it selflessly for her boyfriend since i dont remember bobby asking her to take it.
My logic isn't losing steam at all. And I don't like coming on to contradict you, but you make it necessary in most of your posts due to flawed logic. This sort of thing happens all the time in real life, just not with the added issue of having Rogue's powers. The point was, she wasn't going to lose him at all. She was the one who kept believing that Bobby wasn't happy with their relationship and was looking elsewhere. She was seeing problems where for him, there were none. And yes, she did do it selfishly for her boyfriend Bobby. That's why Wolverine told her to make sure it was what she wanted and that it wasn't because of some boy.

curefreak

10-13-2006, 03:41 PM

My logic isn't losing steam at all. And I don't like coming on to contradict you, but you make it necessary in most of your posts due to flawed logic. This sort of thing happens all the time in real life, just not with the added issue of having Rogue's powers. The point was, she wasn't going to lose him at all. She was the one who kept believing that Bobby wasn't happy with their relationship and was looking elsewhere. She was seeing problems where for him, there were none. And yes, she did do it selfishly for her boyfriend Bobby. That's why Wolverine told her to make sure it was what she wanted and that it wasn't because of some boy.
all im gonna say is you're wrong and i completly disagree with everything you just said.

Beast

10-13-2006, 03:45 PM

all im gonna say is you're wrong and i completly disagree with everything you just said.
You're even going to disagree with what is stated right in the movie? Wow. Just wow.

curefreak

10-13-2006, 03:49 PM

You're even going to disagree with what is stated right in the movie? Wow. Just wow.
yep freedom of speech is wonderfull:)

Beast

10-13-2006, 03:51 PM

yep freedom of speech is wonderfull:)
Shame that you waste yours. And note... Freedom of Speech doesn't apply to privately run message boards.

curefreak

10-13-2006, 05:37 PM

Shame that you waste yours. And note... Freedom of Speech doesn't apply to privately run message boards.
freedom of speech is never wasted saying makes you come across like a republican.

Frodo-X

10-13-2006, 07:34 PM

freedom of speech is never wasted saying makes you come across like a republican.

Is this supposed to be Yoda-speak?!

Strong with the Force young Skywalker is.

curefreak

10-13-2006, 07:36 PM

Is this supposed to be Yoda-speak?!

Strong with the Force young Skywalker is.i actually used to go around talking like yoda when i was a kid maybe it wore off on me;)

AceOfSpades

10-13-2006, 07:55 PM

i actually used to go around talking like yoda when i was a kid maybe it wore off on me;)
you're not cute and green, are you?

curefreak

10-13-2006, 07:56 PM

you're not cute and green, are you?
the cute part is debatable, the green part def no.

AceOfSpades

10-13-2006, 07:58 PM

the cute part is debatable, the green part def no.
awww.. and I wanted to meet a green midget

curefreak

10-13-2006, 08:04 PM

awww.. and I wanted to meet a green midget
well you could always coerce a midget to let you paint him green...

Frodo-X

10-13-2006, 08:06 PM

Or go out on St. Patrick's Day.

You're bound to find one.

Sean Whitmore

10-15-2006, 02:55 AM

Not sure if discussing the deleted scenes if spoileriffic, so:

Just saw the DVD, and man, a lot of those deleted scenes would've added so much to the movie. Jean was a non-entity during much of the attack on Worthington Labs, and there were a lot of deleted reaction shots that give us some indication she was feeling anything. The extended fight at the Grey house made it seem less like Wolverine and Storm were prevented from saving Xavier because they were being bullied by Juggernaut and Callisto. Colossus and Iceman got to see a bit more action. And the ambiguous Wolverine ending fit the movie a lot more than the "everything's peachy" shot of him on the mansion's balcony.

I also really liked Jean's display of power at the encampment, Xavier's voiceover during the title sequence, Storm's deluge in the final battle, and the "you may not come home" war speech that was in all the trailers.

Eagerly awaiting a director's cut.

SEAN

Tobias March

10-15-2006, 09:06 AM

Eagerly awaiting a director's cut.

SEAN

Dude, NO! It's Brett Ratner - we already had to sit through the one film. This isn't Blade Runner

curefreak

10-15-2006, 09:09 AM

Dude, NO! It's Brett Ratner - we already had to sit through the one film. This isn't Blade Runner
well we could get a directors cut from a different director like theyre doing for superman 2.

Tobias March

10-15-2006, 03:14 PM

well we could get a directors cut from a different director like theyre doing for superman 2.

Yes but Richard Donner actually FILMED stuff for Superman 2. I don't even know if Matthew Vaughan ever smelled a camera on X3. This is Ratner's film.

curefreak

10-15-2006, 03:29 PM

Yes but Richard Donner actually FILMED stuff for Superman 2. I don't even know if Matthew Vaughan ever smelled a camera on X3. This is Ratner's film.
i feel like theres a great movie in there somewhere but maybe im just being naive.

Beast

10-15-2006, 04:05 PM

i feel like theres a great movie in there somewhere but maybe im just being naive.
That's a good bet. Frankly the movie is fine. It could use more character scenes to further character development, but for what it was it was fine.

curefreak

10-15-2006, 04:21 PM

That's a good bet. Frankly the movie is fine. It could use more character scenes to further character development, but for what it was it was fine.
it felt too much like a blockbuster action movie wich the other two didnt.

Joe Acro

10-15-2006, 04:30 PM

That's a good bet. Frankly the movie is fine. It could use more character scenes to further character development, but for what it was it was fine.
Maybe I could think this, too, if I could look past all the technical problems I had with the movie. And that's just too hard.

curefreak

10-15-2006, 04:48 PM

Maybe I could think this, too, if I could look past all the technical problems I had with the movie. And that's just too hard.
what do you mean exactly by "technical problems"?

Joe Acro

10-15-2006, 05:15 PM

I mean, I have a fairly lengthy list of errors in the movie based on what happened in all three movies.

curefreak

10-15-2006, 05:20 PM

I mean, I have a fairly lengthy list of errors in the movie based on what happened in all three movies.
continuity errors or what?

Joe Acro

10-15-2006, 07:11 PM

gforce99

10-16-2006, 07:20 AM

Between the scene after the credits and the Chess piece moving, I need to *sigh* re-watch this film.

I actually thought they were showing poor Magnus (I know, they don't call him that any more) playing all by his lonesome since he let Charlie get it. And that he is even sorrier shape since he really lost his powers (noted by the inability to move the chess piece).

Now I am going to have rethink my opinion of this film. Still don't like taking Scott out of the majority of the film.

curefreak

10-16-2006, 07:55 AM

I don't have the energy to explain it again. If you truly must know, I did a pretty good job of expressing all of my complaints in a journal entry in another forum. (http://www.gamingforce.com/forums/journal.php?action=view&amount=single&userid=635&entryid=4846)
i agree with most everything you said in that journal/rant
another thing i find puzzeling is are they holding the boy leech hostage? hes in a iisolated room where it appears hes not allowed to leave,. of course hes on an island so theres no point to go anywhere, but it just seems strange to have a young boy couped up like that and beast doesnt even seem to mind that theyre using him as a guinea pig, very weird.

Beast

10-16-2006, 08:10 AM

i agree with most everything you said in that journal/rant
another thing i find puzzeling is are they holding the boy leech hostage? hes in a iisolated room where it appears hes not allowed to leave,. of course hes on an island so theres no point to go anywhere, but it just seems strange to have a young boy couped up like that and beast doesnt even seem to mind that theyre using him as a guinea pig, very weird.
Did you miss the discussion between Kavita Rao and Beast in Worthington Labs?

He's not being held hostage. But you don't want a kid running around in laboratory. Yes the room he's in is a bit sterile, but so are hospital rooms which this equates to. And he's just staying there until they can map his DNA because they can't replicate the cure without him right now. But she assured him that they were complying with all his office's mandates. In other words, they weren't breaking the law in regard to Leech.

curefreak

10-16-2006, 08:19 AM

Did you miss the discussion between Kavita Rao and Beast in Worthington Labs?

He's not being held hostage. But you don't want a kid running around in laboratory. Yes the room he's in is a bit sterile, but so are hospital rooms which this equates to. And he's just staying there until they can map his DNA because they can't replicate the cure without him right now. But she assured him that they were complying with all his office's mandates. In other words, they weren't breaking the law in regard to Leech.
i just watched it again yesterday and i saw no such thing wich isnt surprising since you seem to make up a lot of stuff just to contradict me.

Beast

10-16-2006, 08:22 AM

i just watched it again yesterday and i saw no such thing wich isnt surprising since you seem to make up a lot of stuff just to contradict me.
You are so full of it. I have -never- made anything up to contradict you.

Go pop the movie in again, watch the scene with Beast and Kavita again. The dialogue is right there between the two. It's not my fault you don't notice these things.

curefreak

10-16-2006, 08:28 AM

You are so full of it. I have -never- made anything up to contradict you.

Go pop the movie in again, watch the scene with Beast and Kavita again. The dialogue is right there between the two. It's not my fault you don't notice these things.
you know i think theres something wrong with you..
cause it seems like you just stalk the x-forums waiting to contradict everything i say
and it makes you look sad and pathetic
and im in no mood to deal with you this morning so im putting you and youre semantics on ignore.
have a good day

Beast

10-16-2006, 08:34 AM

you know i think theres something wrong with you..
cause it seems like you just stalk the x-forums waiting to contradict everything i say
and it makes you look sad and pathetic
and im in no mood to deal with you this morning so im putting you and youre semantics on ignore.
have a good day
No, I think there's something wrong with you. And you are crazy. I do not "stalk the x-forums waiting to contradict everything you say". You'll note that this is my thread, and that for the most part the X-Boards are where I hang out and discuss with everyone. And you know what is sad and pathetic? The fact you think I need to make things up in which to contradict you. I don't have to, because as your posts show you don't seem to grasp things very well. Just like in this instance where you totally missed the discussion in the movie and then call me a liar when I bring it up. And dearie, it's not semantics. Find out what the word means before attempting to use it in your arguments. And that's fine, put me on ignore. It doesn't change anything.

Frodo-X

10-16-2006, 11:22 AM

Hell, I'm 50% deaf and I heard the damn conversation.

Maybe you need to stop the Q-Tip when there's resistance!

curefreak

10-16-2006, 11:25 AM

Hell, I'm 50% deaf and I heard the damn conversation.

Maybe you need to stop the Q-Tip when there's resistance!
sure the conversation to wich he speaks is in there but it doesnt justify in my mind holding a kid hostage or prisoner and use him as a guinea pig.

Joe Acro

10-16-2006, 11:29 AM

sure the conversation to wich he speaks is in there but it doesnt justify in my mind holding a kid hostage or prisoner and use him as a guinea pig.
In this case, in the minds of the government, the ends justify the means. He's only being treated like a prisoner until they get the cure made and distributed.

curefreak

10-16-2006, 11:29 AM

In this case, in the minds of the government, the ends justify the means. He's only being treated like a prisoner until they get the cure made and distributed.
of course hes useless after that ! friggen government:mad:

Beast

10-16-2006, 01:40 PM

In this case, in the minds of the government, the ends justify the means. He's only being treated like a prisoner until they get the cure made and distributed.
And he's not even being treated as a prisoner. It's not really much different than a hospital type situation.

Joe Acro

10-16-2006, 01:59 PM

Some people would consider hospitals a prison of sorts.

curefreak

10-16-2006, 02:04 PM

Some people would consider hospitals a prison of sorts.
i never said prison did i?

Joe Acro

10-16-2006, 02:13 PM

You said he was being treated like a prisoner. Prisoners are only in prisons (not limited to jails/penitentiaries).

curefreak

10-16-2006, 02:16 PM

You said he was being treated like a prisoner. Prisoners are only in prisons (not limited to jails/penitentiaries).
well he wasnt in a jail but he was on a remote island.
so its not like he was free to leave but of course he didnt look like he wanted to leave but there could be many reasons for that.

curefreak

10-16-2006, 02:17 PM

but of course he did have playstation to keep him company;)

Beast

10-16-2006, 02:20 PM

but of course he did have playstation to keep him company;)
We saw a couple minutes of his time at the lab, but he clearly wasn't being mistreated. Other than that, we know almost nothing about the character. He would have to still be getting an education, for one. And we don't know about his family, they would have to approve him being kept there while they were studying him. Since Kavita assured Hank that they were following all of his offices guidlines.

Doom Hammer

10-16-2006, 02:27 PM

Oh come on now!

You...

i just watched it again yesterday and i saw no such thing wich isnt surprising since you seem to make up a lot of stuff just to contradict me.

...are...

sure the conversation to wich he speaks is in there

...unstable!

Who's making stuff up to suit his agenda, now? (Now that's irony, accusing someone of making things up when that particular complaint is, in fact, made up. I'll probably not sleep for laughing.)

curefreak

10-16-2006, 02:28 PM

Oh come on now!

You...

...are...

...unstable!

Who's making stuff up to suit his agenda, now? (Now that's irony, accusing someone of making things up when that particular complaint is, in fact, made up. I'll probably not sleep for laughing.)
i dont remember inviting you into an arguement that was over this morning?

Joe Acro

10-16-2006, 02:29 PM

We saw a couple minutes of his time at the lab, but he clearly wasn't being mistreated. Other than that, we know almost nothing about the character. He would have to still be getting an education, for one. And we don't know about his family, they would have to approve him being kept there while they were studying him. Since Kavita assured Hank that they were following all of his offices guidlines.
She could've been lying or, given the tragedy of comics, he might not have parents.

Beast

10-16-2006, 02:31 PM

She could've been lying or, given the tragedy of comics, he might not have parents.
Also true. I forget if it said anything about him in the novel. Hmm.

Joe Acro

10-16-2006, 02:33 PM

If only they hadn't tried to do so much with this film. Then they might've developed Leech a little and wouldn't have this vagueness.

curefreak

10-16-2006, 02:33 PM

the problem was we dont know what those guidelines say and what they even pertain to.

Doom Hammer

10-16-2006, 02:34 PM

i dont remember inviting you into an arguement that was over this morning?

Huh, and here I've never received an invitation to talk in any thread on this site ever. Aw geez, is that because people don't like me?

Oh, wait, it's because it's a discussion forum, and we don't need invitations. What a silly thing to say.

curefreak

10-16-2006, 02:36 PM

Huh, and here I've never received an invitation to talk in any thread on this site ever. Aw geez, is that because people don't like me?

Oh, wait, it's because it's a discussion forum, and we don't need invitations. What a silly thing to say.
its also a silly thing to say to butt into an arguement thats old and over with it makes you look like you're trying to stir things up again.

Beast

10-16-2006, 02:38 PM

the problem was we dont know what those guidelines say and what they even pertain to.
Look at the laws that pertain to human rights. They're probably pretty similar. ;)

Gene M.

10-20-2006, 07:04 PM

X-Men: The Last Stand Lost Ending

Scene 1- The Xavier Institute

*The doorbell rings and Logan answers it. Standing outside is Scott Summers, covered in mud and leaves.*

Logan: SCOTT! You're alive!

*Scott punches Logan in the mouth.*

Scott: Yes I'm alive you @$$! Thanks for the search party, d---heads! I've been wandering around lost and blind in those woods for days! Why didn't you try and look for me? Where's Jean?

Logan: She's dead Scott.

Scott: What do you mean "she's dead"? I just saw her! She took my glasses and then blasted me into the trees! Who killed her?

Logan: I did. I'm sorry Scott.

Scott: You're sorry? You're F---ING SORRY? Why would you do that?

Logan: Her powers were out of control. I had no choice.

Scott: What about Xavier? He could've done something to bring her powers under control. That's what he does!

Logan: He's dead too. Jean killed him.

Scott: You've gotta be f---ing kidding me! How'd that happen?

Logan: Magneto was there when Xavier tried to get Jean under control. He tried to bring her over to the Brotherhood and the mental conflict drove her over the edge.

Scott: Magneto? F---ING MAGNETO? Why wouldn't you try to stop him? You seriously expect me to believe you saw Magneto and just decided to let him go about his business?

Logan: Uh...ummm...Yeah. I guess that sounds about right.

Scott: F--k it. F--k the school and f--k all of you. Just show me where Jean's and Xavier's memorials are so I can pay my respects.

*Logan takes Scott out back to the memorial.*

Scott: Okay. Seriously. F--k you. I've been gone a couple days and you immediately put a headstone in the ground. You don't bother looking for me, a psycho with multiple personality disorder tells you I'm dead, and so you automatically believe her. That's it. I'm gone.

*Scott jumps on his bike and rides off*

Scene 2- A Boston strip club

Stripper: Hey sailor. I'm Emma. What's your name.

Scott: I'm Scott. Wanna bone?

Stripper: I'll try anything once. Just ask the Malaysian dwarf that sleeps behind the dumpster.

Scott: Let's go.

*Scott and Emma ride off on his bike and pork throughout the night.*

The End