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Jkid099
07-27-2006, 04:51 AM
Ugh, here's the ... ugh ... summary:
Dick and Cheyenne take on the twin guys in an attempt to free Jason from drowning in the green egg sack thingy. They pretty much get their butts kicked until they devise an expert plan to goad one of the brothers into being led to punch the egg sack himself by goading him on in regard to his penis size and how much better Dick was in bed than he was ... I kid you not (of course they don't say the word penis itself ... but it's clear what they're talking about).
Jason is freed, while Dick gets his butt kicked around. Jason then comes to the rescue by ... bare with me here ... TRANSFORMING the same kind of monster that ate him and put him in the egg sack in the first place. Apparently coming in contact (I may have overlooked this fact in earlier issues, I'm not sure) with the green viscous liquid momentarily mutates you. Jason takes full advantage of this, and eats one of the brothers. Then spits him up at Dick's request.
While Jason takes on them both in his mutated form, Dick & Cheyenne escape, make some comment about it being resolved soon or something along those lines ... there's a slight off-panel "explosion," and we are informed via T.V. that there was a building explosion. And ... uh ... the brothers apparently survive the experience (as they are seen on T.V. later).
Cheyenne visits Dick and delivers a telegram, full with "STOP" for every end of sentence, from Jason. Who has decided to leave New York to find himself and thanks Dick for saving him. Apparently being swallowed by a monster and transformed briefly into said monster gives someone a new perspective on life.
Oh, and for some reason they spend half the issue really wondering "what happened in Cleveland" (apparently something along the lines of the brothers coming together and causing a building explosion like they did off-panel in this issue). Doesn't really matter.
UGH.
UGH.
UGH.
At first I was interested in the run, but it got worse, and worse, and I couldn't imagine how much worse until this issue.
UGH.
Can't wait until Wolfman is on this series. What hell was the point of having Jason in it at all? It was like ... build up, tension, build up, tension, tension, angry fight, yadda yadda, WHOOP, Jason gets swallowed, and all is well.
infoghost
07-27-2006, 05:17 AM
Thanks for making me feel better about dropping this title from my list after the second OYL issue.
Micro
07-27-2006, 06:41 AM
wow....I don't know what to say...Even reading the summary is painful. Can't Superboy Prime punch through this or something?
Francis
07-27-2006, 06:52 AM
Shoot me. Please.
Or at least hurry up and bring on Marv Wolfman.
Alcoholic
07-27-2006, 09:04 AM
wow....I don't know what to say...Even reading the summary is painful. Can't Superboy Prime punch through this or something?
LOL...I'm so glad that I dropped this. What was the point of Jason dressing up as Nightwing??:confused:
lucifernomi
07-27-2006, 11:16 AM
Wasn't the initial idea so promising though? Jason showing up as a more violent Nightwing? It could have been cool.
But wow, this was one of the worst comics I've read in recent memory...
SUPERECWFAN1
07-27-2006, 11:32 AM
Odds are the original plan was to make Jason , Nightwing . But once Dick;s death didn't happen , DC had a problem.
snipe
07-27-2006, 11:51 AM
LOL...I'm so glad that I dropped this. What was the point of Jason dressing up as Nightwing??:confused:
Dick was supposed to die in IC, and Jason was supposed to take over as Nightwing. When they "saved" Dick, they had a problem and had to work them both into the story.
In the book, Jason said something along the lines of "You were missing and someone was bound to take your place." Dick (as Nightwing) was seeing Clancy (his old landlord turned psychiatrist) who said Jason probably had some stalker / identity thing going on with him. Or a man-crush.
sly_kat
07-27-2006, 11:57 AM
Dick was supposed to die in IC, and Jason was supposed to take over as Nightwing. When they "saved" Dick, they had a problem and had to work them both into the story.
In the book, Jason said something along the lines of "You were missing and someone was bound to take your place." Dick (as Nightwing) was seeing Clancy (his old landlord turned psychiatrist) who said Jason probably had some stalker / identity thing going on with him. Or a man-crush.
This was painful to read... and i still havent dropped it.... and he said unto him... bringith wolfman... and there was much rejoicing... amen...
They saved Dick and Jason gets a man crush... ah teh highlights of this awful barfbag they called a story:p
Buried Alien
07-27-2006, 12:02 PM
Dick was supposed to die in IC, and Jason was supposed to take over as Nightwing. When they "saved" Dick, they had a problem and had to work them both into the story.
I think the first issue of NIGHTWING featuring Jason dressed as the title character post-dated the final issue of INFINITE CRISIS, so I don't see why DC couldn't have just aborted the entire "Jason as Nightwing" idea if they saw it wasn't going to sync with Dick surviving INFINITE CRISIS and continuing as Nightwing.
As for the story itself, it's not the worst thing I've read. Jason as Nightwing *was* an interesting concept (wonder what they'll do with him now?).
As for Dick, it's on to bigger and better things.
Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)
As for Dick, it's on to bigger and better things.
Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)
Oh great, are we still talking about his "size"?
Blight
07-27-2006, 12:52 PM
At times I thought this series just couldn't get any lower.. I was wrong.
stillanerd
07-27-2006, 01:31 PM
So Jason "I should've stayed dead" Todd, after being built up as this big bad vigilante villain and Batman's greatest mistake decides (after turning into a monster no less) to go the Bane route to "find himself" and thus walking off into the sunset without any purpose. Can somebody tell me WHY THE FRIGGIN' HELL HE WAS BROUGHT BACK TO BEGIN WITH? And I really, really, REALLY hope that Cheyanne isn't going to be sticking around. No wonder Marv Wolfman is coming on board--Bruce Jones has all but ruined the title moreso than Devin Grayson ever did, and it's going to take a comic book veteran to clean up the putrid stench that's been left behind by both of them.
Buried Alien
07-27-2006, 01:49 PM
So Jason "I should've stayed dead" Todd, after being built up as this big bad vigilante villain and Batman's greatest mistake decides (after turning into a monster no less) to go the Bane route to "find himself" and thus walking off into the sunset without any purpose. Can somebody tell me WHY THE FRIGGIN' HELL HE WAS BROUGHT BACK TO BEGIN WITH? And I really, really, REALLY hope that Cheyanne isn't going to be sticking around. No wonder Marv Wolfman is coming on board--Bruce Jones has all but ruined the title moreso than Devin Grayson ever did, and it's going to take a comic book veteran to clean up the putrid stench that's been left behind by both of them.
Yeah, most of us weren't too keen on this story, but can we cut down on the hyperbole (what will we say if things get even WORSE someday)? Nothing was done to Dick/Nightwing that can't be conveniently forgotten or even outright retconned in the next Crisis. If Devin Grayson couldn't sink an innately good character and concept as Dick Grayson/Nightwing in her forgettable several years as NIGHTWING's writer, how could Bruce Jones' short-lived fill-in stint? That's not giving Marv Wolfman's creation enough credit.
Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)
stillanerd
07-27-2006, 02:05 PM
Yeah, most of us weren't too keen on this story, but can we cut down on the hyperbole (what will we say if things get even WORSE someday)? Nothing was done to Dick/Nightwing that can't be conveniently forgotten or even outright retconned in the next Crisis. If Devin Grayson couldn't sink an innately good character and concept as Dick Grayson/Nightwing in her forgettable several years as NIGHTWING's writer, how could Bruce Jones' short-lived fill-in stint? That's not giving Marv Wolfman's creation enough credit.
Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)
Yeah, you're right. But...the next Crisis?
Serenity now, serenity now, serenity now....:D
Buried Alien
07-27-2006, 02:10 PM
Yeah, you're right. But...the next Crisis?
Serenity now, serenity now, serenity now....:D
It's DC Comics; Crises are inevitable. :)
Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)
Violently Apathetic
07-27-2006, 02:54 PM
Well, the good news (for me alone, maybe) is that Jason survived all this...the bad news is...he was still part of this story...and turned into a monster...my cry is a sad cry...
This issue was pretty bad. Each issue has gotten worse and worse. At this point I'm just holding on and waiting for Wolfman to come rescue me.
snipe
07-27-2006, 04:43 PM
Compared to the other issues by Jones, this was gold. Compared to anything else, this sucked.
My thoughts on its lateness? It was re-written.
My theory? The art was already turned in for the turd of a script Jones originally wrote, but DC said they couldn't use it due to the awesomeness that is Marv Woflman returning and the new direction in which he will be taking the character - UP instead of DOWN. Jones had to go back in and fill the word balloons with something other than his original dialogue. In the original, Dick was probably getting his ass handed to him (again) rather than wearing down the Pierce brother (Buddy? Barry? I don't care). His thoughts were probably of how good Cheyenne looked in the suit, how well she was doing in the fight, and whether or not she'd done the whole electric massage thing with Jason or her other dozen man-whores. Ane he was probably whining and being generally uncertain of himself.
Just a guess...
Also, this whole arc has taken place over a very few days. How many references to rent payments do we need? He's not even been in the place a month for Christ sake. It wasn't funny or clever the first time, and it's sure not now.
Amethyst Rose
07-27-2006, 05:19 PM
It seems pretty easy to take the character up. There's nowhere else he can go. Now I'm wondering how MW will fix things...
Captain Jim
07-27-2006, 06:45 PM
My thoughts on its lateness? It was re-written.
My theory? The art was already turned in for the turd of a script Jones originally wrote, but DC said they couldn't use it due to the awesomeness that is Marv Woflman returning and the new direction in which he will be taking the character - UP instead of DOWN. Jones had to go back in and fill the word balloons with something other than his original dialogue. In the original, Dick was probably getting his ass handed to him (again) rather than wearing down the Pierce brother (Buddy? Barry? I don't care). His thoughts were probably of how good Cheyenne looked in the suit, how well she was doing in the fight, and whether or not she'd done the whole electric massage thing with Jason or her other dozen man-whores. Ane he was probably whining and being generally uncertain of himself.
You have quite an imagination.
Captain Jim
07-27-2006, 06:52 PM
Like so many others, I'm looking forward to Wolfman coming on board, but in our enthusiasm, let's not forget that he has only been contracted for one short story arc. My fear is that they're only biding time with Wolfman, while they negotiate with someone else to take over permanently. And given their recent record with this book, that possibility scares me to no end.
Armless Penguin
07-27-2006, 11:10 PM
Ha ha, God, I hate this book.
Wolfman is the light at the end of the tunnel.
agentofthebat
07-28-2006, 06:34 AM
so pretty much this is over we never got to have a big Dick vs Jason fight and now jason is good and finding himself what a bunch of crap this was!!! Jason turned into a monster now he isnt and he left. No Way you cant just leave it like that!!!! What a crappy crappy crappy issue!!!
The Xenos
07-30-2006, 02:59 PM
Wow. I'm glad I read this thread. Now I know I didn't imagine this.
I saw someone post a scan of Jason as the monster on an imageboard I go to. I didn't realize Jason was the monster, I thought it was still the one that ate him. I didn't get that until I read it in my store. It was really odd and the ending was just sloppy and rushed and anti-climatic.
I really don't get what Jones was trying to write here. What was editor DiDido thinking? Hadly any of this makes sense. DC editorial needs a major overhaul. The jerk wanted to murder the guy just because he didn't know there was a fanbase for Dick Grayson and he thought the character was outdated or didn't fit in. He admits this much in the back of the book in the editorial comments page. Thankfully, he saw the loud fan backlash and has put Wolfman on the book.
I haven't bought an issue in a couple of months, but I've read it in disgust at my store. I told my shop to stop ordering the damn book for me. Of course this week I said signed me up for Wolfman's run. Sure, I would have prefered Dixon, but Wolfman was there before even Dixon, so I can't complain.
Fatguy
07-30-2006, 06:09 PM
HAHA!
I have no desire to get this book these days, but...I do so love to read these threads.
Sounds like the end of that horrible horror movie the curse, when the female werewolf went into hiding as the room filled with cops, the main character was able to goad her out to her death by speaking very loudly on how the werewolf had a bony ass. Good times.
I haven't kept up with the whole Todd/ Hood thing, so I decided to hit the wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Todd) for a refresher course. Under the 'Nightwing' heading, it says this:
Jason is rescued by Grayson, however he has briefly acquired the ability to transform into an insectoid and swallow people.
What the... ???
agentofthebat
08-11-2006, 11:46 AM
dont waste your time this has been one big crap ride!!
It's DC Comics; Crises are inevitable. :)
Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)
I was gonna make some snide remark about how DC really stands for 'D* Crises', but I can't think up anything witty for the 'D' to represent.
I was gonna make some snide remark about how DC really stands for 'D* Crises', but I can't think up anything witty for the 'D' to represent.
Daily Crises?
carabas
08-12-2006, 12:49 PM
Can somebody tell me WHY THE FRIGGIN' HELL HE WAS BROUGHT BACK TO BEGIN WITH?
In retrospect, it seems clear that the only real reason he was brought back was to replace Nightwing after Crisis.
And judging from the first OYL issue of Outsiders, and from fan's reactions to the last 3 years of Nightwing, it probably would have been for the best.
Captain Jim
08-13-2006, 03:23 PM
In retrospect, it seems clear that the only real reason he was brought back was to replace Nightwing after Crisis.
I don't believe that. Winick wanted to bring him back because he thought it would make for some great stories. Initially some of them were pretty interesting, but I really don't think the whole idea lived up to its hype. Given the current status quo, I would have much rather he'd stayed dead.
And judging from the first OYL issue of Outsiders, and from fan's reactions to the last 3 years of Nightwing, it probably would have been for the best.
The problem with Nightwing in recent months and years was not Dick Grayson, but the people who were writing his adventures!
Francis
08-14-2006, 03:18 AM
In retrospect, it seems clear that the only real reason he was brought back was to replace Nightwing after Crisis.
And judging from the first OYL issue of Outsiders, and from fan's reactions to the last 3 years of Nightwing, it probably would have been for the best.
Hey! Most of us objecting to the last few years of Nightwing like Nightwing and think he's a very good character. We just object to the recent stories about him because they were terrible.
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