View Full Version : With most things in the Superman mythos reverted to it Silver Age form...
CMBMOOL
07-25-2006, 09:18 PM
From Lex reverting back to his Mad Scientist persona, to the return of the Super intelligence and the Artic fortess and the soon return of the Insect Queen.
It seems like Superman along with a kinder Batman and Diana "Wonder Woman" Prince are reverting to their silver age personas thanks to Infinite Crisis.
So when do we see the return of Lexor and it followers, or better question is will we see it return to the Superman comics since it was destroyed before COIE.
marshal99
07-25-2006, 09:32 PM
Who knows ? With Lex reverting to his pre-crisis mad scientist supervillain mode instead of the post-crisis businessman but Lexor was destroyed in pre-crisis when Lex debuted his green battle armor and we already seen that suit debut in post-crisis.
JulianPerez
07-26-2006, 01:29 AM
I'd love to see an eventual return of the concept of Lexor, or at least something that serves the same function.
One of the things that made Lex Luthor such a complicated and interesting figure was that he wasn't ALL bad. Lex was more misanthropic and misunderstood, and Superman always saw his battles with Luthor as senseless tragedies, considering what Lex's scientific abiltiies COULD be doing.
Lexor was a perfect way to show that Lex, in the right circumstances, was a pretty okay dude. First story that Lex encountered Lexor, he was willing to return to justice on earth...in exchange for Superman bringing water to the desert world. Later on, Lex Luthor becomes Lexor's only superhero, Defender, and takes a Lexorian wife, Ardora and has children by her.
Lexor returning would be the start of one of the defining qualities of Superman: the sense of optimism. Lex, Superman's greatest enemy, had the potential to reform. In fact, many "future" stories (including some the Maggin ones) take it for granted that Lex Luthor, Superman's greatest and nastiest foe, WILL reform and become a Superman ally.
Another reason that Lexor should return was that Lexor was a pretty interesting place in and of itself. It had fascinating wildlife (including those huge horned beasts that carried water in there) and it had a history and antiquity that was barely hinted at.
And finally, the best reason Lexor ought to return is that a Superman mythos WITH Lexor is richer than a Superman mythos without it. Superman, pre-86, had a frankly incredibly detailed world with story elements and villains that since we've only really seen the tip of the iceberg. Superman is better off the more ideas that exist in his comics. And hell, even when Cary Bates blew up Lexor for his Luthor revamp, it still served a purpose: giving Lex a sort of "Wrath of Khan" characterization.
Kilgore Trout
07-26-2006, 08:15 AM
Saying characters are 'reverting to Silver Age form' must be MUCH different than is actually being shown or discussed.
Lets face it, there was more to the Silver Age Batman than his ability to be nice to his partners...
And while no Stephen Hawking, the Post Crisis Superman wasn't exactly Forest Gump...
And the last time I checked the only thing we get more of in Superman comics are W-O-R-D/THOUGHT & NARRATIVE balloons...
How’s about some 'proof positive' for the claim of a 'return of Silver Age forms' for DC top characters???
CMBMOOL
07-26-2006, 10:23 AM
Saying characters are 'reverting to Silver Age form' must be MUCH different than is actually being shown or discussed.
Lets face it, there was more to the Silver Age Batman than his ability to be nice to his partners...
And while no Stephen Hawking, the Post Crisis Superman wasn't exactly Forest Gump...
And the last time I checked the only thing we get more of in Superman comics are W-O-R-D/THOUGHT & NARRATIVE balloons...
How’s about some 'proof positive' for the claim of a 'return of Silver Age forms' for DC top characters???
Okay, sorry to get you all tied in a knot. :(
What I meant was that it a Modernized formated of DC's Trinity made into a Silver Age form. :D
Relax they're just characters with Iconic status to us all. :(
Kilgore Trout
07-26-2006, 02:40 PM
Okay, sorry to get you all tied in a knot. :( Relax they're just characters with Iconic status to us all. :(
Uhh...gee thanks that's very helpful... I'll try to pull my shorts outta my asscrack...
I was just directly responding to your statement: With most things in the Superman mythos reverted to its Silver Age form...
And I ask which most things are you talking about?
Lexor as it was? No. But something new that is similar but does not offend modern sensibilities? Yeah, that could be cool.
That said, the hateful version of Supergirl running around right now tells me that things are far from returned to their Silver Age form.
CMBMOOL
07-27-2006, 09:10 AM
Uhh...gee thanks that's very helpful... I'll try to pull my shorts outta my asscrack...
I was just directly responding to your statement: With most things in the Superman mythos reverted to its Silver Age form...
And I ask which most things are you talking about?
I'm sorry for the confusion of quick phrases that you couldn't understand. :(
I guess what I truly meant is try not to get angry so quick, and that most of the Superman Silver Age mythos are coming back in a modernate format.
Here's an example: In the Silver Age stories Lana Lang used to transform herself into the Insect Queen. Now in the Modernate format we'll soon see the two of them face off as two seperate people in a battle within the upcoming pages of Superman.
Another example is the return of the Mad scientist form of Lex Luthor: in the Silver Age stories it was because of an lab accident that he created that Superboy tried to stop that made Lex lose his hair and have a vendetta against him as Superboy and continuing on as a Superman, now in the modern day form it was because of Metor shower that Lex losse his hair, the loss of his Company, the ongoing stories made by Clark Kent due to the events due to the events of 52, and the return of Superman that made him go mad scientist.
Now while most of the DCU heroes maybe confusing for now, it seems that several elements that was from the Silver Age is return in a more modernate format.
I truly hope this clear things, if not please try to explain it to me better.
I'm truly sorry for the confusion. :(
PatrickG
07-27-2006, 09:50 AM
Uhm.
Actually, Lex lost his hair in a lab accident in Smallville in Birthright, not in a meteor shower.
RawShark
07-27-2006, 10:48 AM
it was in a lab during a meteor shower and thunderstorm when a flash of lightning hit a shelf of scientific potions Lex was standing next to and one of those potions was a bottle of NEET that broke over Lex's head making all his hair fall out. Lex blames Superboy because, well, cause he's a jerk, y'know
Well, the silver age is almost back:
silly dog - check
supergirl from krypton - check
clumsy Clark - check
luthor in silly purple suit - check
etc.
Dussan
07-27-2006, 01:18 PM
The dog is the most retarded thing ever, and makes me want to vomit.
Get rid of the stupid dog please.
Alan2099
07-27-2006, 05:04 PM
The dog is the most retarded thing ever, and makes me want to vomit.
Ever? You mean like, in the entire history of the world? You're saying that there is NOTHING that's every existed that's as retarded as Krypto?
I've never got the "want to vomit" thing either. I mean, I could understand that you might vomit. I could even understand you feeling like you should vomit. The idea that you would actually desire to vomit if given the choice strikes me as very bizarre.
Lorendiac
07-27-2006, 05:53 PM
Well, the silver age is almost back:
silly dog - check
supergirl from krypton - check
clumsy Clark - check
luthor in silly purple suit - check
etc.
My attitude is that we are still painfully far away from many of the best distinguishing features of the Silver Age of the Superman Mythos.
1. Comprehensible stories that are almost always told within a single issue so that you don't need to read five other issues first to really understand what's going on? No!
2. A Kara Zor-El Supergirl character whom I can actually like and admire? No!
3. Clark Kent as a bachelor? No!
4. Only one General Zod in continuity, instead of about four of them? No!
5. Lois Lane as the star of her own title? No!
6. Ma and Pa Kent are dead? No!
(Personally, I'm glad Ma and Pa Kent are still alive, but it was certainly a distinguishing characteristic of Silver Age Supes that he couldn't go running home to Kansas on a moment's notice to ask for their advice!)
Constantine Drakon
07-28-2006, 08:19 PM
Agreed. Just because you can point at one particular snapshot of the Silver Age cast and say "aha, it superficially looks similar!" doesn't mean we're in a new Silver Age. For my money we might well be on the road for something better.
Or it's all going in a handbasket.
Either way I'm here for the ride.
Gingold
07-28-2006, 11:09 PM
Most of the "Silver Age" (and Golden Age, for that matter) elements of the Superman mythos still existed in the Byrne/Carlin years. They were just rejiggered for a new era. Now they're just tweaking them again for the current era.
Oh, and anyone who doesn't like Krypto sucks.
botch
07-29-2006, 02:29 PM
super intelligence. there goes another few years of decent superman stories, try and write stories out of that. well i guess i better start saving for the 'super infinite extreme death wars crisis' that will come out soon, and make me buy all these books and have a final issue that is dissapointing with lackluster art.
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