Morrison/Kubert run

[curefreak]

am i the only one whos going "batty" waiting for this?
from the preview art ive seen not to mention whats been happening in the bat books this past year im expecting much greatness to ensue , whos with me?

[Gary Joyce]

No i am eagerly waiting this too I love Morrisons take on Batman and i loved the preview.

[curefreak]

No i am eagerly waiting this too I love Morrisons take on Batman and i loved the preview.
thank you !

[Choppa]

I'm wondering why Morrision decided to pick up such an old storyline when there are a bunch of current loose threads left unresolved.

[curefreak]

I'm wondering why Morrision decided to pick up such an old storyline when there are a bunch of current loose threads left unresolved.
maybe he will resolve the loose threads?

[Gary Joyce]

I hope because the ending of son of the demon always left me wanting more.

[curefreak]

I hope because the ending of son of the demon always left me wanting more.
what does son of the demon have to do with batman?

[Gary Joyce]

Because thats the storyline Morrison is picking up on.

[curefreak]

Because thats the storyline Morrison is picking up on.
so what about the two face is back storyline? and whatever happened to the red hood and black mask anyways since were on the subject.

[Choppa]

so what about the two face is back storyline? and whatever happened to the red hood and black mask anyways since were on the subject.

That was my point. No one knows what happened with those threads, and they will probably just be forgotten. The focus of this run is to continue where SOTD left off.

Personally I'm still waiting to see Batman go after Lex for killing Vesper.

[curefreak]

That was my point. No one knows what happened with those threads, and they will probably just be forgotten. The focus of this run is to continue where SOTD left off.

Personally I'm still waiting to see Batman go after Lex for killing Vesper.
man i didnt know she was still around...its so hard to keep track of everything.

[onenatv]

I'm sure there are tons of people who can't wait to pick this one up. I'm one of them. I really like the way DC is doing things right now. This might make Batman book the best book on the market. Bring it on!

[curefreak]

the thing ive noticed lately is dc has the best artists and marvel has the most cutting edge writers .

[mrc1214]

I like Morrison's Batman alot. I just got done reading Batman Gothic and it was very good. I look foward to this.

[charx23]

wheres this preview?

[curefreak]

wheres this preview?
newsarama:)

[charx23]

what panel is it ?

[curefreak]

what do you mean exactly?

[charx23]

what is the tit;e called to look at the preview, can you send a link.

[curefreak]

what is the tit;e called to look at the preview, can you send a link.
this was a couple of months ago and i cant send a link cause im banned from there but last i recall it was under the "previews" section.

[Gary Joyce]

what is the tit;e called to look at the preview, can you send a link.



http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=66990

There you go its in the spoilers

[larroca fan]

i didnt know there was a preview.

[Gary Joyce]

Welcome mate i've had it saved to my computer since it was leaked i havent been this excited over a batman title since the Hush preview came out.

[larroca fan]

just love the preview.

[Nick Kal]

I read it and it's everything you'd expect a Morrison Batman comic to be... awesome! Nice character work and set up for the arc with a few mysteries and wonders to consider. And the art was wonderful. Can't wait for more!

[Nick Kal]

I read it and it's everything you'd expect a Morrison Batman comic to be... awesome! Nice character work and set up for the arc with a few mysteries and wonders to consider. And the art was wonderful. Can't wait for more!

[dancj]

Welcome mate i've had it saved to my computer since it was leaked i havent been this excited over a batman title since the Hush preview came out.

Oops. Don't worry. With Morrison writing I'm sure this won't be such a dissapointment :D

[Gary Joyce]

Oops. Don't worry. With Morrison writing I'm sure this won't be such a dissapointment :D

I dont doubt it Morrison rarely disappoints.

[PastePotPete]

just love the preview.

I only looked at the first page because I didn't want to spoil too much of the comic since I'm buying it today.

The first page made me laugh out loud. In a good way. Because you could tell from page one this comic is going to rock.

[literally exaggerated]

I absolutely cannot wait. I rarely use the word "giddy" to describe myself, but thats how excited I am about this book.

[larroca fan]

i only looked at the first 3 page of it, age is amazing and story is wikid. i like how morrison hasn't just started a story. He's made us think that before this issue the joker has beaten the crap outta batman. the preview has something that happened to my sytep bro in south africa last nite, he's 16 and he got robbed at gun point and got his head kicked in. this world is rotten. screw that man who made my bro's life hell. sorry just had to get it outta me.

[Agent0]

I really liked it!

This issue centers a lot around Bruce Wayne instead of Batman all that plus Talia, Langstrom, and of course Ninja Man-Bats at the end.

[Sean Walsh]

Wow. Morrison/Kubert is off to a GREAT start. :)

[literally exaggerated]

I really, really liked it. Has that quintissential Morrison feel to it where you never know what to expect but its always wild and awesome and demonstrates an excellent understanding of the characters involved.

[Gingold]

This was really, really good. The best portrayal of Alfred in years. Art wasn't bad either.

[larroca fan]

can't wait to read!!!!

[Jkid099]

There were freaking bat poles. :-)

... all I have to say.

Love it.

[larroca fan]

oh i want to read this cry lol

[ultramandingo]

morison on batman and superman....i guess they finally figured driving him away from jla was a bad idea .im not buying these cus of the guys in the capes . its the guy on the keybord

[Stephane Garrelie]

Great first issue:) :) :)

[SincereAgape]

Good first issue. Typical Morrison, it def had his trademark and feeling. Question: Does this story happen in the past or is it a continuation from the last set of bat stories?

[BillR]

I thought it was pretty good. The opening sequence wasn't so great, and I'm not a fan of the art. But the little moments are what sold it for me.

I'm in for the long haul, of course. I mean, it's Grant bloody Morrison.

Also: BAT-POLES!!!

[Nick Kal]

Okay so things that we can hope to be built on in the run...

Who was that 2nd Batman and did Bruce know who he was?

What does the new Batmobile look like?

What is up with Batman having a son?

What will happen with the Joker?

Those are my questions as of issue #1.

[jerrymcl89]

First of all:
"I finally killed Batman! In front of a bunch of vulnerable disabled kids!!!!"
That was worth the price of admission in itself. I did think Batman throwing the severly wounded Joker in a dumpster was seriously out of character, but I'll get over it.

I also greatly enjoyed the writing of Bruce, Tim, and Alfred. And the ninja man-bats can't be a bad thing. All things considered, I'd say this is a very promising start.

[Xothermic]

Edit : Didn't realize this wasn't a spoiler thread.

[Ginkasa]

Good first issue. Typical Morrison, it def had his trademark and feeling. Question: Does this story happen in the past or is it a continuation from the last set of bat stories?


Considering Batman's comment about Robin (about how he's proud of him) would indicate that this takes place after the events in Face the Face. I'm not an expert by any means, but I would assume that, unless otherwise indicated, all the books that were jumped ahead one year later would remain that way.

I would also except Morrison at least mention the tension that would be created between Robin, Batman's surrogate son, and this other kid, Batman's possibly biological son. If he didn't showcase this I would begin to doubt his talents as a writer.

[the film freak]

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I would also except Morrison at least mention the tension that would be created between Robin, Batman's surrogate son, and this other kid, Batman's possibly biological son.

An upcoming cover has Batman breaking a fight between the two. So yeah I expect some tension.

[saintsaucey]

Oh my God the art was so beautiful. I'd heard tell of Kubert but I'm not sure if I had ever whitnessed the mans work. Wow The story was okay, still not sure I approve of them giving Batman a son, if thats what they did. Are we sure that that was talia.

[Sean Whitmore]

Who was that 2nd Batman and did Bruce know who he was?


Gordon said the faux Batman was a cop who went over the edge. I don't forsee him being brought back into the story.


SEAN

[Nick Kal]

Gordon said the faux Batman was a cop who went over the edge. I don't forsee him being brought back into the story.


SEAN

Oh.. I missed that. Thanks.

[Micro]

I've only read the previews, but I think the second Batman is Jason Todd. Anyone notice how he was holding Joker at the end..

[Jkid099]

Nah, the 2nd Batman was a cop who went nuts and decided to take out crime in Gotham City (as per what Gordon said in the issue).

[Micro]

Nah, the 2nd Batman was a cop who went nuts and decided to take out crime in Gotham City (as per what Gordon said in the issue).

awww, would have been so cool if it was Jason. Why was he dressing like Batman?

[the film freak]

I'm a little confused. Did Batman shoot Joker in the face or was that ex cop?

[Sean Whitmore]

I'm a little confused. Did Batman shoot Joker in the face or was that ex cop?


The ex cop was the one who was beaten up, and shot Joker. The real Batman is the one who tossed Joker into the dumpster.


SEAN

[the film freak]

The ex cop was the one who was beaten up, and shot Joker. The real Batman is the one who tossed Joker into the dumpster.


SEAN

That's what it looked like. I wasn't sure if the Batman that shot the Joker just appeared or got up after getting appeared. Andy Kubert story telling was a little hard to follow in spots (I'm still not sure which was the correct way to read the scene with Alfred tying Bruces bow tie).

[Sean Whitmore]

(I still not sure which was the correct way to read the scene with Alfred tying Bruces bow tie).


That confused me, too. But after trying it in several different orders, I came to the conclusion that it worked well enough no matter what order you read them in. I wonder if it was Morrison just being cute. :)


SEAN

[smoothjokes]

Great issue!

[the film freak]

That confused me, too. But after trying it in several different orders, I came to the conclusion that it worked well enough no matter what order you read them in. I wonder if it was Morrison just being cute. :)


SEAN

You know I missed the splash page of ex cop Batman shooting Joker in the face during the first read. Stupid fricking ads.

Overall I liked this issue. Doesn't hold a candle to Seven Soldiers or All Star Superman but it was a fun Batman romp. I like the banter between Bruce and Alfred. The Joker opening I wasn't wild about especially with the two Batmans (I might change my mind if the ex cop Batman pays off later in the run). Kuberts art was better then usual but I still had some issues with his storytelling and character design. I definately can tell the characters apart which is improvement over his 1602 work.

Final panel with Talia and son standing in front of the ninja Man bats was pretty awesome.

[X-Ray]

I still got to get mine but I put Grants Batman on my pull list when I saw the article in Wizard. I liked Grant on JLA, New X-Men, WE3, and Seven Soldiers so he has a great track record for me. Plus he has a hand in the new Freedom Fighters which I also have on my pull.

This run BTW is my first run on Batman. I watched him on tv and movies and I did read some of his trades that got big reviews/ was in the library but I rarely buy Batman in comics. I like Batman as a ICON but never got into him in the comics. But if Grant can do as good as he did on other titles then I may become a Bat Fan for a while.

I never thought I'd see the day I would have no x-books on my PL but have Batman and 3 to 1 DC over Marvel in their place. The X-Men haven't been the same since the Grant,Claremont,Austen days or should I say "Reload" I think X-Men need to "Reload" again. I finnally learned that being loyal doesn't pay, it's cost's.

[curefreak]

this issue was kinda confusing to me but im glad im not the only one who thinks so or else i would feel like an idiot.
i must admit im a little let down but maybe its cause i had such high expectations.

[Sizzle]

I liked the issue myself. Good art. The beginning was crazy, it took a bit for me to figure out what was going on. Like a previous poster, Batman throwing the Joker in the dumpster seemed a bit odd. I also felt that the dialog for Bruce was a bit out of place, at least at the party. I enjoyed the preceeding pages of dialog with Alfred teasing Bruce about not getting any in a while.

As for the kid, did they specifically say this story brings Son of the Demon into continiuty? I mean, technically the only relation to that story could be the coinicidence that Batman and Talia had a kid together. The other thing about the kid that I found odd was he looked much younger then he does on the covers for some of the upcoming issues. I can't imagine him being much older then 10 though unless continuity has been changed and Bruce met Talia before donning the cape and cowel.

[mrc1214]

I liked the issues. Its a great time to be a Batman fan. You have two of the greates Batman writers working on books. And Detective was good too. As far as Bruce's dialogue i thought it was out of place at first but then i remembered in the Wizard interview Morrison said he would do that. So its a different way to go. I really hope Morrison stays on for a while.

[literally exaggerated]

I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed fairly soon if what they're looking for is the same old Batman. I see a lot of criticism of Bruce tossing Joker in the dumpster because its not something most incarnations of Batman would do.

But really, when has Grant ever taken over a character and NOT wrought changes, often pretty drastic ones. His New X-men run was tremendously controversial for that very reason, he made a LOT of changes, including drastically altering the character of Magneto.

Grant's never really written this character in current continuity before. Arkham Asylum wasn't canon, Gothic was like a year Two story and JLA batman only ever presented one side of Batman in much detail, the uber cool no-nonsense zen genius Batgod.

But he's never really sat down and done canonical stories just about Batman, right now, in his prime and on his own. So i think of course when he takes over the character he's going to take a different route than nearly any other writer has before. In this case it seems like this Batman is wittier, less tightly wound, far less caught up in his own issues, and in general more practical than most interpretations of the character. That is, he's not a murderer or anything, but he's far less tightly wound when it comes to enemies like the Joker and whatnot. Joker isn't his "nemesis" or some avatar of insanity and evil in which Bruce is locked into an eternal war. He's garbage, a psychotic monster who nevertheless remains, fundamentally, nothing more than a very bad (albeit also very dangerous) man.

Joker will be back. We know that. Everyone knows that. And, given that the writer is mister postmodernism himself, Batman almost certainly knows that as well. If by some chance Joker doesn't come back, Bruce will also probably not be wracked with guilt. He didn't shoot Joker, he merely refused to save him. Most, more issue laden versions of Batman, would internalize that and make it some deep fundamental guilt, but Morrison Batman is too centered, too down to earth to do that.

I'm reminded of Batman Begins, where Bruce doesn't kill Ra's per se, but sets a plan that puts him in a position to die and then refuses to save him. Most people seemed not to be overly bothered by that, which makes me wonder why they are in this case. My only guess is that they want Grant to continue to write the same Batman they have read in the last several years of Batman comics, and if thats the case I really believe they're going to start to hate this book very quickly.

Myself, I enjoy it quite a bit. I also enjoy the absurdist parody that is All-star, and the darker and more serious Dini's detective and JLU and even, for the most part, the last 5 or 6 years of borderline psychotic "Batdick" comics. I like reading different takes on the character. He's a timeless archetype, and while that entails a few key traits, it also leaves a great deal of room to manuever. I see nothing wrong with a writer exercising that room (within limits and provided its done well. War Crimes was a great example of how to abuse that the power to change things).

[Lucky7481]

I loved the scene when Batman tossed the Joker into the Dumpster. Although Batman "can't" kill the Joker by himself, he's again disappointed that the Joker even survived a shot in the face. In! The! Face!

I would toss him in a dumpster, too... even if I couldn't throw him this far :D

[curefreak]

i can only assume he threw him in the dumpster since putting him in arkham doesnt seem to do much good.

[MrBeebs37]

Why wouldn't Batman throw Joker in the dumpster? Not really clear on why people think this is out of character. If Joker was dead, then maybe I'd see it but it's made pretty clear that he isn't and a simple/harmless act of rage isn't really that strange for Batman, especially directed at Joker.

Also, it seems pretty clear that this is in current continuity, even if it's not completely wrapped up in it. Robin mentions Batman recently returning from a long trip and feeling re-energized, Batman/Robin have a pretty clear father/son dynamic, Gorden is the police commisioner again, etc.

This issue really worked for me. I get the impression that working on 52 and being treated with respect by DC editorial has really improved Morrison's ability to write over the top super-hero fare. In the past it has seemed, to me at least, that he would just take his Doom Patrol/Invisibles style of writing and try to impose it onto more standard concepts, but with this and Superman, he finally seems able to let the subject matter affect how he writes the material. Very excited to see how this run turns out...

[larroca fan]

thats what i'm thinking as well. why is it wronhg of batman to throw joker into a dumpter? bout time to. well donr grant least your adding abit of new direction. no the same old same old.

[Alcoholic]

Yeah I don't understand why people are having a problem with Bats throwing the Joker in a dumpster. I thought it was pretty funny, plus it's just showing how he's fed up with the Joker. Good move!

[pauwoo]

Yawn!, boring, how long is he going to be on Batman so i can remove it from my standing order.

[noh-varr]

I enjoyed the issue. Especialy Alfred's comments on how Bruce no longer acts as Bruce. The over the top acting Bruce gave to the women was fantastic though, loved it. Great first issue and am waiting for the next one, we have Grant doing two iconic characters and doing great on both of them, what's not to love?

[Rokk]

I thought this was a great issue! Morrison got this story off to a fast start. I also liked that Morrison focused on Bruce Wayne. This is the Bruce Wayne that I've been waiting for. Kubert's art was great as always. I'm not too sure how I fell about Batman having a son, but I have a feeling that Morrison is going to make it a pretty interesting tale.

[DMike]

Gordon said the faux Batman was a cop who went over the edge. I don't forsee him being brought back into the story.



Looking at the second panel of the page where Batman throws Joker, the caped body on the stretcher with the blanket over its face DOA corpse-style suggests that the ex-cop probably won't be appearing again.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Excellent issue, both on its own merits and as the start of a story arc.

[saintsaucey]

I was a little nervouse when I heard that Morrison was taking over Batman. When I first started reading comics one of the first things I heard was that Grant Morrison was the guy who screwed up Batman. He mad Beast gay, dressed the X-men in leather and gave Professor X an evil twin sister. (I think he is the one who did all these things) So needless to say I was nervouse. So nervouse that I paid no attention to the artist. Not that it would have mattered. I did't know any of Mr. Kubert's work. To mu knowledge I had never seen any of his art. I knew he had an art school, which to me seemed kinda egotistical, but I only knew that because they mention it in wizard. After reading the issue. Does he have a museum? Seriously, does he? The art was fantastic. The opening was pretty freeking fantastic. No slow build up, no monologue about Batman being the best at was he does. As for the & Son part of the story, I'll reserve my judgement till I see what Morrison has planned. Im not a huge fan of the Man Bat. are we sure that that was Talia? I kinda thought it might be but I wasn't sure.

[Doom Hammer]

I love how Grant is breaking the dark, brooding Batman estalished by Dark Knight Returns (which I also love, by the way).

The discussions regarding Bruce's voice, his playboy behavior, and of course the comment about the bats, which Bruce has based his whole gruff and dark image and personality on, being fed and pampered by Alfred, were all very promising and funny.

I can't wait for more. Usually I buy the trades of classic Batman stories, not the current issues, on account of how many people seem to think they suck. But with Grant onboard, I love it.

The story's taking off rom an interesting place. Gotham is clean. The Joker has a bullet in his face and is at least incapacitated for a while, and even if he's never actually going to die, Batman expelled him from his life like yesterday's garbage...literally.

Marvel misses Grant Morrison...but he's making DC interesting to an otherwise uninterested reader. (Oh, that's me.)

[Doom Hammer]

I was a little nervouse when I heard that Morrison was taking over Batman. When I first started reading comics one of the first things I heard was that Grant Morrison was the guy who screwed up Batman. He mad Beast gay, dressed the X-men in leather and gave Professor X an evil twin sister. (I think he is the one who did all these things) So needless to say I was nervouse.

Beast isn't gay, had you read the issues you would know that.

I don't mean to come off as harsh, but I would reccomend reading it before you bash his creative choices. I didn't like any of the ideas at first when I got into comics either, in fact I ignorantly loathed and mocked the book, but since then I have seen the light.

[saintsaucey]

I wasn't bashing it, and no i haven't actually read the issues. Like I said someone told me this. I don't know if the guy was bashing it. he might have been telling me that others didn't like it but he did. I said i was reserving judgement.

Oh BTW I can't wait to see the new Batmobile

[ultramandingo]

gotta love posters who dump on stuff whithout knowing nothin about nothin ( the reason the internet was created) .....and who else but morison would mention the feeding of the bats

[the goddamn batman]

I also enjoy the absurdist parody that is All-star,

the only real parody happening with All-Star is the shipping dates. #5 is now Sep 27th.


Anyway, I thought the issue was fine. I liked the throwing of Jokers punk-ass into the trash... very fitting.

Not a bad issue but, I still don't like the 'and Son' part of it.:rolleyes:

Kuberts art (all of them) has never really done it for me. I like a bit more artsy art rather than typical comic line art.

I wish Jock would do some Batman internals that share the quality of his covers. I know it would take a lot of time but man... that would be worth waiting for. I'd wait six months for an issue of that, f#ck Jim Lee.

[curefreak]

i wish we could have dark brooding batman without him being a dick .:rolleyes:

[Joe Rice]

It was a solid, cracking story. It was nowhere near Morrison's other recent material. The sloppy, confusing art didn't help. I'm a bit disappointed, but hopeful for the future.

[the film freak]

It was a solid, cracking story. It was nowhere near Morrison's other recent material. The sloppy, confusing art didn't help. I'm a bit disappointed, but hopeful for the future.

When the future promises ninja man bats it's hard not to be hopeful. Unless we're talking about real life then a future with ninja man-bats would be kind of scary. They probably take over and force us to harvest sugar cane in their slave camps.

Damn you evil ninja man-bat oppressors!

Congrats on the marriage btw.