Bendis. Cho. Mighty Avengers

[Ivan Isaacs]

http://www.newsarama.com/SDCC06/Marvel/mighty.html

[Bobster777]

Thanks for posting.

Huh, well, not much new info there. Still, nice to know that Bendis will get back to world threatening stuff, which Avengers is known for.

[jester1436]

I enjoy New Avengers I guess, but why does Bendis have to do BOTH books? Why can't there be a little variety in creators, it makes me slightly less excited than I might be otherwise. Of course, I'll buy it and probably enjoy it. Hopefully.

And the line about "good news is you have old adventures". Good grief.

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

I am ecstatic about this!!!!!


I am so freaking glad...not so much about a more "classic" Avengers team, but about the artist!!!!

Now, if there is any justice in this world, She-hulk will be part of this team...
How can you have a Frank Cho book and not have at least one gorgeous amazonian heroine involved?
Plus I'm dying to read a kickass ,non-comedy, action-oriented She-Hulk.

And if not Shulkie, I hope there are some gorgeous female Avengers there...Photon, Tigra, Moondragon come to mind...


More Bendis-penned Avengers is just awesome!!!! And Cho drawing it is simply heaven!!!!!:)

[Doom Hammer]

“Mighty Avengers will have big world threatening situations to deal with at all times. New heroes interacting with each other in a situation some of them have never been in before. To do this I have chosen some techniques that are not what I am most known for. But fun is the word of the day. Though we're very serious about our craft, the agenda is to make a spectacle of superhero extravaganza that you can only get from a top-flight Avengers title!”

Okay, see, now, why the **** do they have Bendis writing this Avengers book?

Why can't they give him a low-key group of his favorites, and stop trying to expand beyond his reach? He could've kept doing the early-ish issues of New Avengers, with more down-time and fewer world-threatening happenings. I love the first 12 issues of New Avengers and the Annual, Ronin be damned! And he could've kept doing that.

*Sigh* Even though I should know better, I am excited. Maybe Bendis will get it right this time...(I don't hate all of New Avengers, but a lot of it has just been sub-par, and outshone by many books and many creators)...

[EmmettHULK]

Okay, see, now, why the **** do they have Bendis writing this Avengers book?




21 issues of New Avengers selling over 120 k each.
That's why.


Oh, and this is the best comic book news I have heard all month, I can't wait to read this.

[chickrockguitar]

Can anyone see Ms. Marvel's Heros-in-training being on the team? Or a couple of them at least?

[Doom Hammer]

21 issues of New Avengers selling over 120 k each.
That's why.


Oh, and this is the best comic book news I have heard all month, I can't wait to read this.

I know, and I don't have a problem with him in the New Avengers. I love most of those issues. But Bendis, in general, does not do over-the-top balls-to-the-wall world-threatening super-heroics. He plays it low-key. He's good at playing it low-key. New Avengers is best when Bendis plays it low-key.

So I don't understand why they'd place him on this second book. There's other talented guys at Marvel that'll bring in the sales, who like to do the kind of thing described in this book.

I'm not a Bendis-hater. I love Bendis. Up until recently I've barely had a bad word to say about New Avengers. But Bendis has his weaknesses, and this book means he has to tackle a whole lot of 'em. I hope he pulls it off, I just don't understand why he'd want to.

[Expletive Deleted]

The long-awaited, long-wished-for, long-speculated second Avengers book is announced, and, instead of all the writers with classical sensibilities that certain segments of fandom have been praying for, Bendis is writing it? He'll be doing two Avengers books at once?

Heh heh heh heh.

[Young Avenger]

Bendis on another Avengers book? That won't go over well with some Classic Avenger fans. With four Avengers books I guess the team is a franchise now.

[Bobster777]

I like Bendis and all, but I was hoping to get another writer just to see a different perspective. Eh, as long he comes up with good stories, that's all I'm after.

[Doom Hammer]

The long-awaited, long-wished-for, long-speculated second Avengers book is announced, and, instead of all the writers with classical sensibilities that certain segments of fandom have been praying for, Bendis is writing it? He'll be doing two Avengers books at once?

Heh heh heh heh.

See, this is what I mean. It's so unbelievable it's funny. I think the Joker said it best:

"Ha


"Ha Ha Ha.

"Ffnk

"Ahoo. Ahoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo.

"Ehrrr

"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"

[algertman]

Terrible news. Why bendis? Why not someone who knows how to write? Why not PAD? Why not Slott? Why not ANYONE BUT BENDIS!

This is stupid, MARVEL just dropped the ball big time

[Gingold]

This could be pretty cool. Speculation on the lineup? I figure with Cho drawing we can assume Ms. Marvel and Tigra. Maybe Wasp, Black Widow, Wanda, Sersi, She Hulk...

[Bobster777]

Terrible news. Why bendis? Why not someone who knows how to write? Why not PAD? Why not Slott? Why not ANYONE BUT BENDIS!

This is stupid, MARVEL just dropped the ball big time
For all the things people say about Bendis, his book is always consistently in the top five in sales. That must mean people like him. Can this turn out to be a bad decision, yes. Can it also turn out to be a good one, yes. We'll just have to wait and see. Wait for atleast the first issue before the Marvel bashing begins.

[Brian Cronin]

So it sounds like Mighty Avengers will be Iron Man leading the "official" Avengers team, and he'll only be dealing with "government approved" heroes, which will mean that we'll see some heroes who haven't worked with each other suddenly thrown together and forced to form a cohesive team.

Interesting concept.

So New Avengers will be the "Secret Avengers" squad, most likely.

Could be good.

-Brian

[Annie get your Rum]

Marvel made a great decision.

And soon, we'll have two different Avengers title in the top ten.
And now we can anjoy stories about the cool off-the-beaten-path Avengers AND the classic ones.

Congratulations to Bendis and Cho.
This will surely be a smash hit.

[Ivan Isaacs]

As long as Bendis keeps true to his words (new stories) and stays away from characters such as Kang and Ultron I'm going to be happy.

As for the team: For world threatening stuff they may need heavy hitter - Iron Man, Thor, Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk and the like.

[lament]

Dang. I was hoping HOPING someone else would do the book. I'm not a fan of Bendis at all. :( Why can't we see some other talents do one of the Avengers titles? There are so many great writers who could have taken the gig.

I guess it's going to more of the same old same old. Count me out.

[Michael P]

The long-awaited, long-wished-for, long-speculated second Avengers book is announced, and, instead of all the writers with classical sensibilities that certain segments of fandom have been praying for, Bendis is writing it? He'll be doing two Avengers books at once?

Heh heh heh heh.
Yeah, it doesn't make much point from a marketing perspective to me. Marvel already *has* an Avengers book by Brian Bendis, and really, by now everyone who wants an Avenbers book by Bendis has picked it up and decided whether or not it's to their liking. If the number of readers currently reading New Avengers is X, then it's safe to say that X will not increase in size in the foreseeable future.

Sure, they *might* double their numbers by doing another one... or, they might split those numbers up, as the audience decides it only wants one Avengers book by Bendis, not two, and one group goes to the new book while the other one stays on the old.

Note that, in both of these cases, they have not expanded their overall readership of Avengers titles. In the first, the readers are simply reading two books a month ((X+X)/2), and in the other, some of them are reading a different one (M+N=X). X does not change.

On the other hand, if they did an Avengers book by someone else, they would draw in readers who wanted to see an Avengers book by that person (as well as those who just want to see one not by Bendis), and the overall readership would increase (A+X). Then, they could cross-market each title to the readership of the other, and get everyone reading both books (A=X, A+X=Y=2X).

Why choke the goose that laid the golden egg, when you can breed it and make more geese?

[Shyft]

mind you he did say he was going to try his hand at writing in a new style. He does say it will never be *classic* Avengers, but who knows, his Mighty Avengers writing might be more to peoples tastes.

[Bobster777]

more like, "why let the two-legged mule run in the kentucky derby when the piece of crap can't even stand up? and he's a damn donkey!"

Because the freaking donkey puts assess in the seats, that's why! See the play on words there, I hope you do. :D

[Haunt]

Because the freaking donkey puts assess in the seats, that's why! See the play on words there, I hope you do. :D


indeed. but i'm not sure that bendislovers will appreciate being called a$$es. :D

[Iron Syndicate]

Here are what I would like to see as rosters (assuming NA is Cap and MA is Tony). I'm 'casting' 5 parts for each team: The Leader, The Big Brain, The Power House, The Hot Chick, and The Spy.

Mighty Avengers:

The Leader - Iron Man - Tony is the undeniable leader of the Pro-Reg side, and has always been seen as a "leader" within the Avengers (even if he did not have the official title). He has been an Avenger since the very beggining, so it's only right that he leads this team.

The Big Brain - Reed Richards - Reed, being one of the biggest supporter of the act, and an adamant believer in Tony's view-point would be quick to side with his friend. And with the FF breaking up, he would need to be somewhere, right?

The Power House - Thor - With his recent return, Marvel will probably want to push Thor as much as possible. Putting him on a team seems like the right thing to do, and since it's been hinted he's on the Pro side, it would make sense for him to be here.

The Hot Chick - Ms. Marvel - Need I say more. Ms. Marvel + Frank Cho = Pure Hotness.

The Spy - Deadpool - He's pro-reg, he's a covert killing machine, and he's funny. Plus, Bendis loves writing Spider-Man, and he's good at it. So Deadpool works well...

Extras:
She-Hulk
Wonder Man
Arana

New Avengers:

The Leader - Captain America - see above explanation for Leader but replace "pro" with "anti" and "Iron Man" with "Cap"

The Big Brain - Spider-Man - From solicits and the character itself, it's quite clear that Pete will switch sides by the end of this. While he's not quite on par with Reed, Peter does have a head on his shoulder, and is more than qualified to be the team's in-house smart-man.

The Power House - Namor - Namor has yet to play a part in the actual war, but it has been stated that he is against registration, and he when he does join in on the fun he is sure to (excuse my pun) turn the tide. This uber-powerful monarch will make a useful addition to Cap's team.

The Hot Chick - Invisible Woman - Sue Richards is hot. Even when you can't see her, you can probably imagine that she's hot. And that alone is enough.

The Spy - Wolverine - You want someone good, while you're at it, you want someone who's the best at what he does. For covert operations, you can't go wrong with Logan.

Extras:
Daredevil
Cloak & Dagger
Spider-Woman (Drew)

[TimmyTony]

Here are what I would like to see as rosters (assuming NA is Cap and MA is Tony). I'm 'casting' 5 parts for each team: The Leader, The Big Brain, The Power House, The Hot Chick, and The Spy.

Mighty Avengers:

The Leader - Iron Man - Tony is the undeniable leader of the Pro-Reg side, and has always been seen as a "leader" within the Avengers (even if he did not have the official title). He has been an Avenger since the very beggining, so it's only right that he leads this team.

The Big Brain - Reed Richards - Reed, being one of the biggest supporter of the act, and an adamant believer in Tony's view-point would be quick to side with his friend. And with the FF breaking up, he would need to be somewhere, right?

The Power House - Thor - With his recent return, Marvel will probably want to push Thor as much as possible. Putting him on a team seems like the right thing to do, and since it's been hinted he's on the Pro side, it would make sense for him to be here.

The Hot Chick - Ms. Marvel - Need I say more. Ms. Marvel + Frank Cho = Pure Hotness.

The Spy - Deadpool - He's pro-reg, he's a covert killing machine, and he's funny. Plus, Bendis loves writing Spider-Man, and he's good at it. So Deadpool works well...

Extras:
She-Hulk
Wonder Man
Arana

New Avengers:

The Leader - Captain America - see above explanation for Leader but replace "pro" with "anti" and "Iron Man" with "Cap"

The Big Brain - Spider-Man - From solicits and the character itself, it's quite clear that Pete will switch sides by the end of this. While he's not quite on par with Reed, Peter does have a head on his shoulder, and is more than qualified to be the team's in-house smart-man.

The Power House - Namor - Namor has yet to play a part in the actual war, but it has been stated that he is against registration, and he when he does join in on the fun he is sure to (excuse my pun) turn the tide. This uber-powerful monarch will make a useful addition to Cap's team.

The Hot Chick - Invisible Woman - Sue Richards is hot. Even when you can't see her, you can probably imagine that she's hot. And that alone is enough.

The Spy - Wolverine - You want someone good, while you're at it, you want someone who's the best at what he does. For covert operations, you can't go wrong with Logan.

Extras:
Daredevil
Cloak & Dagger
Spider-Woman (Drew)


I love the teams, but I hate that you have placed the women as just "the hot chick"...
Sue alone could easily take down half the members of both teams...

[Iron Syndicate]

I love the teams, but I hate that you have placed the women as just "the hot chick"...
Sue alone could easily take down half the members of both teams...

I actually debated putting her as the Power House.... and then have Spider-Woman as the hot chick...

[Joe Franklin]

This Beast sketch by Cho gives me hope that he will be in the Mighty Avengers book along with his best friend Wonderman.
www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/001008680.cfm

[DDM]

Terrible news. Why bendis? Why not someone who knows how to write? Why not PAD? Why not Slott? Why not ANYONE BUT BENDIS!

This is stupid, MARVEL just dropped the ball big time

I will buy the classic Avengers book when Brian Michael Bendis is not the writer. As long as Bendis writes the Avengers, I'm not buying his book. All of Bendis' weaknesses are magnified with The Avengers.

[Haunt]

using your standards...

Mighty Avengers:

The Leader - Ms Marvel
The Big Brain - Iron Man
The Power House - Thor
The Hot Chick - Irredeemable Ant-Man
The Spy - Black Widow
Extras: She-Hulk, Wonderman, & Freedom Ring


New Avengers:

The Leader - Captain America
The Big Brain - Spiderman
The Power House - Daisy Johnson
The Hot Chick - Iron Fist
The Spy - Spiderwoman
Extras: Luke Cage, Moon Knight, Wolverine

[Doom Hammer]

Because the freaking donkey puts assess in the seats, that's why! See the play on words there, I hope you do. :D

Dude, rebuttal post of the year.

Anyway, I just jope this book will be fun. I mean, okay, the Avengers ae going to be S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents, but I hope that doesn't overshadow the superheroics, especially with New Avengers getting darker.

If Beast's going to be in it, I'm ALL over that. Beast and Wonder-Man in a Bendis-written Avengers comic, with the possibility of Spider-Man? Imagine the quips!

[Haunt]

Dude, rebuttal post of the year.

Anyway, I just jope this book will be fun. I mean, okay, the Avengers ae going to be S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents, but I hope that doesn't overshadow the superheroics, especially with New Avengers getting darker.

If Beast's going to be in it, I'm ALL over that. Beast and Wonder-Man in a Bendis-written Avengers comic, with the possibility of Spider-Man? Imagine the quips!


yeah, they'll all sound like Spiderman does now (wow, spider booties). oy.

[Beast]

This Beast sketch by Cho gives me hope that he will be in the Mighty Avengers book along with his best friend Wonderman.
www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/001008680.cfm
I would fill the cup twice, if that were so. Beast and Wonder Man together again? Oh my stars and garters. And Bendis was the one who wanted to fix Beast during House of M. And Whedon did say that some of his cast would depart during the current arc. Please god, please!

[algertman]

yeah, they'll all sound like Spiderman does now (wow, spider booties). oy.


yes, they all wake up one morning and decide they are all jewish

[Iron Syndicate]

using your standards...

Mighty Avengers:

The Leader - Ms Marvel
The Big Brain - Iron Man
The Power House - Thor
The Hot Chick - Irredeemable Ant-Man
The Spy - Black Widow
Extras: She-Hulk, Wonderman, & Freedom Ring


New Avengers:

The Leader - Captain America
The Big Brain - Spiderman
The Power House - Daisy Johnson
The Hot Chick - Iron Fist
The Spy - Spiderwoman
Extras: Luke Cage, Moon Knight, Wolverine

Somehow I fail to see the fan-boys sloberring over an Ant-Man pin up.... :D

[Haunt]

yes, they all wake up one morning and decide they are all jewish


wow. i can only imagine the wild and crazy night before that happens. ;)

Somehow I fail to see the fan-boys sloberring over an Ant-Man pin up.... :D


he's this year's Jonathan Taylor-Thomas.

[Doom Hammer]

yeah, they'll all sound like Spiderman does now (wow, spider booties). oy.

Spider-Man's been ambiguously Jewish for years. Bendis is just fulfilling Peter's Hebrew Destiny. :p

[Haunt]

Spider-Man's been ambiguously Jewish for years. Bendis is just fulfilling Peter's Hebrew Destiny. :p


but isn't part of that destiny a mandatory team-up with the Hebrew Hammer? can't wait.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e4/Hebrew_Hammer_DVD_cover.jpg

[protege]

Spider-Man's been ambiguously Jewish for years. Bendis is just fulfilling Peter's Hebrew Destiny. :p
Now THAT would have been an interesting change to Spidey's history.

[Doom Hammer]

but isn't part of that destiny a mandatory team-up with the Hebrew Hammer? can't wait.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e4/Hebrew_Hammer_DVD_cover.jpg

Now that The Avengers is a franchise with New Avengers, Young Avengers, Mighty Avengers, Young Avengers, and all the spin-offs and solos, I want to see a new group:

The Jewish Avengers!

The Thing!
Spider-Man!
Shadowcat!
Moon Knight!
Uh, that one X-related character who's appearing in Union Jack!

Written by Brian Mickael Bendismanstein, pencilled by a GENUINE rabbi!

[Haunt]

Now that The Avengers is a franchise with New Avengers, Young Avengers, Mighty Avengers, Young Avengers, and all the spin-offs and solos, I want to see a new group:

The Jewish Avengers!

The Thing!
Spider-Man!
Shadowcat!
Moon Knight!
Uh, that one X-related character who's appearing in Union Jack!

Written by Brian Mickael Bendismanstein, pencilled by a GENUINE rabbi!

Ruth Bat-Seraph aka Sabra

and don't forget Dominic Fortune and Doc Samson

[Doom Hammer]

Ruth Bat-Seraph aka Sabra

and don't forget Dominic Fortune and Doc Samson

That's some team. Let's add the Hebrew Hammer for fun.

[Sean Whitmore]

This news made me laugh for, like, an hour and a half. :D

And it has nothing to do with me actually liking New Avengers, because even I have my doubts that Bendis will be able to pull this new book off.

Just the fact that people who HATE Bendis with ever FIBER in their being have been clinging to this Mighty Avengers news like a dying man clinging to life...thousands of crack addicts finally promised a hit after so long...

...and then THIS happens...

...and I'm sorry, if you don't find something deeply, hysterically funny about this, then you are dead and empty inside.


SEAN

[Haunt]

This news made me laugh for, like, an hour and a half. :D

And it has nothing to do with me actually liking New Avengers, because even I have my doubts that Bendis will be able to pull this new book off.

Just the fact that people who HATE Bendis with ever FIBER in their being have been clinging to this Mighty Avengers news like a dying man clinging to life...thousands of crack addicts finally promised a hit after so long...

...and then THIS happens...

...and I'm sorry, if you don't find something deeply, hysterically funny about this, then you are dead and empty inside.


SEAN


i'm happy. more money to spend on good titles. :)

btw, you're a moderator. shouldn't you, i don't know, not be stirring sht up?

[Sean Whitmore]

btw, you're a moderator. shouldn't you, i don't know, not be stirring sht up?


Ah, lemme have my fun. :p

If Reginald Hudlin or someone takes over a book I like, you can bust my shoes about it. ;)


SEAN

[Haunt]

Ah, lemme have my fun. :p

If Reginald Hudlin or someone takes over a book I like, you can bust my shoes about it. ;)


SEAN

fair enough. and i will. :)

[Brian Cronin]

Okay - Pointing out the humor in the fact that Bendis is writing a "classic Avengers" title.

Not Okay - Complaining about other people complaining.

Not Okay - "You will buy it anyways."

People can complain.

You can disagree with their complaints.

You cannot disagree with them complaining.

-Brian

[Doom Hammer]

Ah, lemme have my fun. :p

If Reginald Hudlin or someone takes over a book I like, you can bust my shoes about it. ;)


SEAN

Wait, since when are you a moderator?

Geez, I can't talk to you anymore.

I fear authority.

[Sean Whitmore]

Wait, since when are you a moderator?

Geez, I can't talk to you anymore.

I fear authority.


If it helps at all, I'm not very good at it. :D


SEAN

[Beast]

Okay - Pointing out the humor in the fact that Bendis is writing a "classic Avengers" title.

Not Okay - Complaining about other people complaining.

Not Okay - "You will buy it anyways."

People can complain.

You can disagree with their complaints.

You cannot disagree with them complaining.

-Brian
Is it ok if we just run around in circles screaming like a girl, and praying that Beast really is going to become a member of the Mighty Avengers? Bring me Frank Cho, I must know! :D

[Babylon23]

Well, I'm one of the people who was hoping for something different, or "clinging like a dying man clinging to life", so to speak. I was hoping Marvel would appease both types of Avengers fans by giving us two distinct books, one with a more classic feel.

I'm not sure that I'll get that with Bendis writing both books.

I'm enough of an Avengers fan to check out Mighty Avengers, but my hopes aren't high. I dropped NA pretty quickly due to boredom and lack of interest, so my expectations for this book are pretty low.

There are some positives I see in the interviews. I like the idea of Beast and Wonder Man together again. That alone is enough to convince me to read the first issue, if it's true. Also, if the book is as action oriented as Bendis and Cho suggest, then maybe I won't be bored like I was with the talking heads appraoch to NA.

Also, Bendis is talking about a different approach to writing, so maybe he'll actually follow through on this, unlike many of his early claims about NA.

As for Cho, I'm a fan of his artwork, but I'm tired of all the cheesecake. I'm not the kind of person that gets turned on by 2-dimensional drawings on a page, so I'm not interested in sexualisation of female characters in comic books. He's clearly a very talented artist, but I'm hoping that element of his work will be downplayed.

As I said, I'm a big enough Avengers fan that I'll check out the first couple of issues. Hopefully, I won't be disappointed.

[Brian Cronin]

Is it ok if we just run around in circles screaming like a girl, and praying that Beast really is going to become a member of the Mighty Avengers? Bring me Frank Cho, I must know! :D

That's very okay. :)

-Brian

[Sam T.]

HaHAHa... this sounds awesome!!

[Sean Whitmore]

Is it ok if we just run around in circles screaming like a girl, and praying that Beast really is going to become a member of the Mighty Avengers? Bring me Frank Cho, I must know! :D


Beast, what would you like more: Beast returns to being an apeman and stays with the X-Men, or stays a catman and joins Simon in the Avengers?

No mixing and matching, those are your choices. :)


SEAN

[Doom Hammer]

Beast, what would you like more: Beast returns to being an apeman and stays with the X-Men, or stays a catman and joins Simon in the Avengers?

No mixing and matching, those are your choices. :)


SEAN

(I think he'd rather dance for Joe Quesada and kill two birds with one stone)...

[Beast]

That's very okay. :)

-Brian
Then I shall endevor to carry on, in both senses of the word. :D

[Haunt]

Is it ok if we just run around in circles screaming like a girl, and praying that Beast really is going to become a member of the Mighty Avengers? Bring me Frank Cho, I must know! :D


here's hoping you don't turn out like the Hawkeye fans who were glad to see him back in the book. Bendis tricked them, as well.

[Beast]

(I think he'd rather dance for Joe Quesada and kill two birds with one stone)...
He's right. I'll dance for Quesada, Whedon, Bendis, and Cho if I have to. ;)

[Joe Franklin]

Okay -
You can disagree with their complaints.

You cannot disagree with them complaining.

-Brian

These last 2 are head scratchers?

[Sean Whitmore]

These last 2 are head scratchers?


Means you can say, "I disagree with your opinion that Bendis can't tell a good story."

But you can't say. "Then don't buy it if you don't like it, just shut up about it."

Am I close, Brian? :)


SEAN

[Babylon23]

Beast, what would you like more: Beast returns to being an apeman and stays with the X-Men, or stays a catman and joins Simon in the Avengers?

No mixing and matching, those are your choices. :)


SEAN

Well, I'm not Beast, but I'd rather have him in the Avengers. I'm tired of "moping around the lab all day" Beast. I want him to get out and have some fun again. Simon's just the guy to bring out the best in Hank.

[Doom Hammer]

He's right. I'll dance for Quesada, Whedon, Bendis, and Cho if I have to. ;)

Don't forget what Bendis did to Ultimate Beast, buddy...

[Micro]

The reason New Avengers sales over 120 k each, and is in the top five is not solely because of Bendis. Any issue that features Captain America, Iron man, Wolverine and Spider-man all in the same book on a monthly basis with a great artist is going to sale well if promoted right. A B-list character like MoonKnight can have a best selling issue with great promotion and Finch drawing it, but that doesn't actually mean it's good. Bendis is behind getting the team together so he does get credit for that, but really think about what was done. Bendis writes Avengers and decides, why don't I keep the two most popular members, kill off the B-listers, and add some more A-listers, ofcourse it's going to sale well, but it isn't Avengers anymore, it's Marvel's Super Team. Now, Bendis can write a good story, but I just don't think New Avengers should replace the old Avengers because it sales. Some things shouldn't be done purly for sales, because many of those things will hurt Marvel in the long run. Having Wolverine kill Iron Man would sale tons of books, but after you kill off Iron Man, then what? Future Continuity should not be given up for short term success. Killing Hawkeye, and having Scarlet Witch go crazy may be an interesting story, but after it's over, you've lost two characters. Sure you can always bring them back, but does that ever really work out well??
Do you seriously think if marvel had a team with Spider-man, Wolverine, Captain America, Punisher, Daredevil, The Thing, Storm, Sue Storm and Deadpool it wouldn't sale, no matter who was writting it?

[Joe Franklin]

Well, I'm not Beast, but I'd rather have him in the Avengers. I'm tired of "moping around the lab all day" Beast. I want him to get out and have some fun again. Simon's just the guy to bring out the best in Hank.

Simon and Beast always had fun together in a best friend kind of way.

[Brian Cronin]

Means you can say, "I disagree with your opinion that Bendis can't tell a good story."

But you can't say. "Then don't buy it if you don't like it, just shut up about it."

Am I close, Brian? :)


SEAN

Exactly, Sean.

I see I made a good mod choice. ;)

-Brian

[Joe Franklin]

The reason New Avengers sales over 120 k each, and is in the top five is not solely because of Bendis. Any issue that features Captain America, Iron man, Wolverine and Spider-man all in the same book on a monthly basis with a great artist is going to sale well if promoted right. A B-list character like MoonKnight can have a best selling issue with great promotion and Finch drawing it, but that doesn't actually mean it's good.

But how are we to say what is good or not if not by using sales figures? If I say it is not good, or you say it is not good, this does not represent the majority. Sales are the best indicator we have as to what the majority like. Not my opinion, or your opinion.

[Brian Cronin]

There aren't judges or anything.

No one "wins" anything.

You just explain why you think you're right.

The other poster explains why s/he thinks s/he's right.

Etc.

What you DON'T do is mock the other poster for disagreeing with you.

Or the ol' "Why are you buying the book?" nonsense.

-Brian

[Sean Whitmore]

The reason New Avengers sales over 120 k each, and is in the top five is not solely because of Bendis. Any issue that features Captain America, Iron man, Wolverine and Spider-man all in the same book on a monthly basis with a great artist is going to sale well if promoted right.


It's true that the New Avengers lineup was as important to that book as Bendis' rep. But because so many people are buying it and, presumably, enjoying it, it's much easier to market a second book by the same writer without having big guns.

Mighty Avengers could be made up of Gilgamesh, Silverclaw, Deathcry, and Triathlon, but at least some of the many people buying New Avengers would check it out based solely on the fact that it's written by the same guy.


SEAN

[Joe Franklin]

Mighty Avengers could be made up of Gilgamesh, Silverclaw, Deathcry, and Triathlon, [I]


SEAN

Dan Slott could problably pull this team off.

[Will.S]

That Beast in the Wizard sketch looks pretty damn cool, he even has some of the hair similar to movie beast which makes him more ape'ish so here's hoping we get that style of Beast back with Wonder Man again who I hear is getting the leisure suit back! Yeah!

I hope Colossus doesn't join the Avengers though judging from that sketch, it would be....a bit too weird even though Wolverine is one (which I don't mind as much).

As for the news I'm a bit conflicted. I'm excited that we get a second book that will lean towards a more classic roster and will deal with bigger threats and will work alongside Bendis's New Avengers but I was hoping for a different writer who can get a Bendis type of pull. It'll be interesting though to see if Brian can pull off a different type of book than what we've been getting in NA and I'm all for writers trying different things, as long as they are unique and don't start to blur the lines between both teams.

Civil War sure seems to be leaving it's mark on the MU so I'm also wondering with the registration act in effect if there will still be that air of distrust and waryness among both teams especially if they will need to team up for a particular reason.

[ColdFury]

It's true that the New Avengers lineup was as important to that book as Bendis' rep. But because so many people are buying it and, presumably, enjoying it, it's much easier to market a second book by the same writer without having big guns.

Mighty Avengers could be made up of Gilgamesh, Silverclaw, Deathcry, and Triathlon, but at least some of the many people buying New Avengers would check it out based solely on the fact that it's written by the same guy.


SEAN

With their fearless leader.... Demoliton Man!!

[Beast]

Don't forget what Bendis did to Ultimate Beast, buddy...
Yeah, I know. But Bendis likes 616 Beast. So I don't see it happening.

[Sean Whitmore]

Dan Slott could problably pull this team off.


He couldn't. He really, really couldn't. Nobody in creation could. :)


SEAN

[Alan2099]

Kirkman has been doing wonders in Marvel-Team up. That sounds like just the sort of thing he might try.

[Sean Whitmore]

Kirkman has been doing wonders in Marvel-Team up. That sounds like just the sort of thing he might try.


If he did that, I'd buy it for the sheer ballsiness alone.


SEAN

[Alan2099]

Heck, I was impressed that he used Terror, Speedball, Sleepwalker, X-23, Gravity, and Darkhawk as earth's last line of defense.

[Sean Whitmore]

Heck, I was impressed that he used Terror, Speedball, Sleepwalker, X-23, Gravity, and Darkhawk as earth's last line of defense.


Most of them are pretty cool though, even if not popular. One Darkhwak is worth 20 Deathcrys. :)


SEAN

[Alan2099]

Point taken. They seemed to be the lame characters witha cult following type group.

Pity he couldn't use SuperPro like he wanted.

[algertman]

Yeah, I know. But Bendis likes 616 Beast. So I don't see it happening.


We've all seen what Bendis does the charecters he "likes"

it ain't pretty

[Sean Whitmore]

We've all seen what Bendis does the charecters he "likes"

it ain't pretty


Unless he claimed to like Scarlet Witch, I'm not sure what you mean. :)


SEAN

[overcomebyfumes]

Between this and the news about JMS launching the new Thor, I am VERY disappointed. I just wish that Bendis and JMS would sometimes let others play with the big toys. JMS has been on Spider-Man for, what? five years? six? and Bendis has said that he has at least six years of New Avengers stories planned, so I don't think we'll be seeing anyone else writing Avengers anytime soon. Sad.

With these two writing 3/4 of what Marvels publishing (non X-related), I'd like to see someone else writing Mighty Avengers. Marvel could be using this oppurtunity to use the Avengers name to bring someone deserving like Kirkman or Slott up to the A-List, instead of throwing more Bendis at us.

But I guess at this point complaining about Bendis and JMS is like complaining about gravity, or glaciers, or some other natural given. Bah.

Bah.

[protege]

Now that The Avengers is a franchise with New Avengers, Young Avengers, Mighty Avengers, Young Avengers, and all the spin-offs and solos, I want to see a new group:

The Jewish Avengers!

The Thing!
Spider-Man!
Shadowcat!
Moon Knight!
Uh, that one X-related character who's appearing in Union Jack!

Written by Brian Mickael Bendismanstein, pencilled by a GENUINE rabbi!
Wait- is Spidey really jewish? i mean, we never see him go to temple, or anything.

[algertman]

Wait- is Spidey really jewish? i mean, we never see him go to temple, or anything.


Bendis writes him a little......jewey?

[Micro]

But how are we to say what is good or not if not by using sales figures? If I say it is not good, or you say it is not good, this does not represent the majority. Sales are the best indicator we have as to what the majority like. Not my opinion, or your opinion.

I actually agree with your point, and the points Sean listed also. Sales are the best indicator we have to see how popular something is, and im not arguing New Avengers isn't popular, because it is. But it's popular because of the team in it. Avengers wasn't nearly as popluar when it actually was still the Avengers. I guess the point im trying to make could be explained like this:

Back in the 90's Peter David was given the book called X-Factor. The book featured a cast of C-list characters not very well known at the time. Peter could have tryed to kill them off, try to replace members, or even not used the less popular characters. He could have tryed to change aspects of the characters personalities and powers to make his stories more interesting. He could have turned Quicksilver into the next Magneto and become a crazy over powered supervillian, but he didn't. He wrote the characters based off their past history, explored their personalities and made them interesting. He was sucessful at this because He is a good writer.

Now, if you look at what Bendis has done. He was given well established characters with a long time fan-base, got rid of the least popular ones, and brought in the most popular characters in the Marvel universe. He altered the characters established history to fit his own vision, he didn't work to make the characters more interesting. Do people find Scarlet Witch interesting now? She's a force of nature plot device now...Do people want to read about Vision, Hawkeye, Henry Pym, and the Wasp more now than before his run? Don't get me wrong, Bendis is a good writer, but he needs to be a book that suits him, and the editors need to enforce continuity problems,ect..

And inreguard to sales, I will say agian..If you promoted an issue where Wolverine kills Mary Jane for real(no tricks or Death in the family end to it), it would sale tons of copies. But that doesn't mean it should be done.

[Jake V]

Wow, I was at the con all day and this is the first I've heard of this.

I would have prefered that a different writer handle the new book, but if he is really intent on giving the two books vastly different tones, I'd be willing to give it a shot. I mean, I like New Avengers, but I don't see the point in putting out 2 of the same book. I guess a lot depends on how Civil War ends.

[Haunt]

it should have been Joe Casey.

[Babylon23]

it should have been Joe Casey.

That's what I would have liked to see. Or Kirkman.

[NickThompson]

He's right. I'll dance for Quesada, Whedon, Bendis, and Cho if I have to. ;)
Do it anyway, just in case it works. Randomly dance for creators :)

[Pheonix-NoRelation]

Wow. :) This made me happy. I have been waiting for confirmation of Mighty Avengers and the writing/drawing team. Not sure if I'll pick it up though. I probably will but I'll have to wait until I see the line-ups. They didn't say anything about when it's launching did they? Has to be November or later I imagine.

[Haunt]

That's what I would have liked to see. Or Kirkman.


i need kirkman to focus on Irredeemable Ant-Man. :D

[Beast]

Wow. :) This made me happy. I have been waiting for confirmation of Mighty Avengers and the writing/drawing team. Not sure if I'll pick it up though. I probably will but I'll have to wait until I see the line-ups. They didn't say anything about when it's launching did they? Has to be November or later I imagine.
January, according to Wizard.

[protege]

it should have been Joe Casey.
Speaking of Joe casey, when's Earth's mightiest heroes II coming out?

[Babylon23]

On Newsarama, Cho confirmed Wonder Man, so that's something positive.

[Haunt]

Speaking of Joe casey, when's Earth's mightiest heroes II coming out?

it's just supposedly "upcoming." it was announced at the same time as his Iron Man: Inevitable series.

[Will.S]

Just wondering but did everyone read the Wizardworld info too?

WIZARD: What happens in Civil War?

BENDIS: There's a winner and a loser. [New Avengers] will be darker and continue to explore what is going on with S.H.I.E.L.D. and the criminals that broke out of the Raft. There is a growing conspiracy that even precedes Civil War that will continue. [New Avengers] will be drawn by Leinil Francis Yu [Ultimate Wolverine vs. Hulk].

CHO: Oh, awesome. I didn't know that.

BENDIS: Oh, yeah. You're going to like it because the two of you compliment each other.

CHO: Like, I draw big-busted women and he draws anorexic women. [Laughs]

BENDIS: [Laughs] No. They are different tonally. And I'm even writing Mighty Avengers using narrative and thought balloons in ways you usually don't see. On top of that, there's a growing threat to the world. Volcanoes are erupting, there're hailstorms - it's bedlam all over. And the Mole Man attacks New York City. The attack is brutal and very insane, very "old-school Marvel" crazy.

CHO: That's why I'm drawing it.

BENDIS: He loves the mole men.

So Leinil Yu is the New Avengers artist now and both a mystery villain and Mole Man look to be their first villain(s) while NA will continue doing it's own thing.

[Babylon23]

Well, I like the "old school Marvel crazy" idea. Let's hope he actually delivers the goods. Erupting volcanoes and an attack by the Mole Man sounds good as well.


I also like Cho's comment on the Beast sketch:

'Get rid of stupid "cat" Beast. Mutate him back to the blue furry gorilla-like Beast that we all love'.

I couldn't agree more.

While I'm still skeptical, it's at least sounding a little more like what I'm looking for in an Avengers book. The line-up will be a big decider for me.

[marvelboi77]

Cho is not a nice guy IMO, I won't support a comic drawn by him.

[Pheonix-NoRelation]

January, according to Wizard.

Thanks Beast. And some great news for you with Beast going back to regular Ape-like Beast. And there's even the possiblity of another Avengers team with Beast and Wonder Man.

[Micro]

Cho is not a nice guy IMO, I won't support a comic drawn by him.

Would you mind providing me with some insight as to why you feel this way? I don't really know Cho's work outside of New Avengers.

[Young Avenger]

'Get rid of stupid "cat" Beast. Mutate him back to the blue furry gorilla-like Beast that we all love'.

I couldn't agree more.

When did Cho say that?

[Sam T.]

This actually sounds like it will be a good series!

[Babylon23]

When did Cho say that?

http://wizarduniverse.com/_images_/001008/WizSketch-MightyAvengers-BE.jpg

It's written on the side of his Beast sketch.

[Young Avenger]

http://wizarduniverse.com/_images_/001008/WizSketch-MightyAvengers-BE.jpg

It's written on the side of his Beast sketch.

Thanx Babylon.

[The Shadow]

Bendis on another Avengers book? That won't go over well with some Classic Avenger fans.
I'm a classic Avengers fan and I think it's GREAT!

As long as the tone is different from NA and the stories interest me I don't care who writes it.

[Bobster777]

indeed. but i'm not sure that bendislovers will appreciate being called a$$es. :D
hmm, touche :p

[The Shadow]

JMS launching the new Thor /snip/ JMS has been on Spider-Man for, what? five years? six? and Bendis has said that he has at least six years of New Avengers /snip/

With these two writing 3/4 of what Marvels publishing (non X-related),
Dude... that's only 4 titles. If that's 3/4's of them (non-X-related) that means Marvel only publishes (rounding up) 6 monthlies and Thor and Mighty Avengers aren't even out yet.

You need a better LCS is 3/4 of your Marvel books are New Avengers, Amazing Spider-Man and potentilly Thor and Mighty Avengers.

[CAT-DAL]

As soon as Bendis stops writing either book then i might pick one up,until then,i erm i,i,i dont think i will er...bother!

[the Hornet]

This could be pretty cool. Speculation on the lineup? I figure with Cho drawing we can assume Ms. Marvel and Tigra. Maybe Wasp, Black Widow, Wanda, Sersi, She Hulk...

if there is only one female member, then I am not buying it

[Mjolnir]

Why's everyone saying that "The Mighty Avengers" will have the Pro team?
Because most of the girls are Pro? And Cho is drawing lots of girls?

I dunno...If Stark really believes in this 'new way of heroeing' or however he puts it in CW#3, i think he'd be better suited in a team with 'New' in the title.

Mighty sounds classic, like the OLD way of doing things.
The Cap's way.

But then again, Cho's girls will at least be Ms.Marvel. As for Wasp...i dunno, i keep thinking she'll die in CW. Her or Hank Pym. They've both got the deep-roots in the MU, but the Universe won't fall apart without them.
One or the other. You'll see. :)

[Mjolnir]

double post. but while i'm here, i might as well say that Goliath (Foster) has GOTTA be on an Avengers team. He's getting a whole lot of exposure in CW for a relative NOBODY. Compare his panel time to other people's,.

[the Hornet]

Why's everyone saying that "The Mighty Avengers" will have the Pro team?
Because most of the girls are Pro? And Cho is drawing lots of girls?

I dunno...If Stark really believes in this 'new way of heroeing' or however he puts it in CW#3, i think he'd be better suited in a team with 'New' in the title.

Mighty sounds classic, like the OLD way of doing things.
The Cap's way.

But then again, Cho's girls will at least be Ms.Marvel. As for Wasp...i dunno, i keep thinking she'll die in CW. Her or Hank Pym. They've both got the deep-roots in the MU, but the Universe won't fall apart without them.
One or the other. You'll see. :)

I think a main reason we think that Mighty will be about the PRO team is because there is an indication that Wonder Man will be in this team. So unless Wondy switches over to the Anti side by the end of CW, this looks like it will have the Pro guys.

[algertman]

Would you mind providing me with some insight as to why you feel this way? I don't really know Cho's work outside of New Avengers.


I don't blame him. Sometimes it's hard to read a standard comic knowing some people are out there masturbating to it

[Michael P]

Back in the 90's Peter David was given the book called X-Factor. The book featured a cast of C-list characters not very well known at the time. Peter could have tryed to kill them off, try to replace members, or even not used the less popular characters.

Actually, he brought those C-listers onto the book. Before he came on, the cast was the original X-Men.

He could have tryed to change aspects of the characters personalities and powers to make his stories more interesting.

And he did, in the case of Multiple Man (and possibly others).

He could have turned Quicksilver into the next Magneto and become a crazy over powered supervillian, but he didn't.
So I take it you haven't read the latest issue of X-Factor?

[Michael P]

Wait- is Spidey really jewish? i mean, we never see him go to temple, or anything.
Spidey's about as Jewish as I am. Which is to say, not.

[Beast]

I think a main reason we think that Mighty will be about the PRO team is because there is an indication that Wonder Man will be in this team. So unless Wondy switches over to the Anti side by the end of CW, this looks like it will have the Pro guys.
I doubt it's going to be outright Pro and Anti divisions between the two Avengers teams when all is said and done. Especially since Beast would not likely support the Pro-Reg side. And I'm thinking it's more likely that Captain America's going to head up the MA team, given it's supposed to be the more classic feel Avengers.

[Alan2099]

Actually, he brought those C-listers onto the book. Before he came on, the cast was the original X-Men.
Wasn't the original X-men supposed to leave the book and go over to the regualr X-men titles at the time anyway? I don't think he had much choice about not using them.

[Bruce Wayne Jr.]

Marvel just does not want my money.

[Shellhead]

http://wizarduniverse.com/_images_/001008/WizSketch-MightyAvengers-BE.jpg

It's written on the side of his Beast sketch.

Cho's sketch of Beast looks more like:

What if Wolverine was from the Planet of the Apes?

http://wizarduniverse.com/_images_/001008/WizSketch-MightyAvengers-BE.jpg

I'm unhappy to hear that Bendis will be writing Mighty Avengers. This tells me that Marvel thinks that more people are buying New Avengers than *not* buying it because of Bendis. In other words, while there are many fans who buy Mighty Avengers if anybody but Bendis was writing it, Marvel believes that even more will buy Mighty Avengers because Bendis is writing it.

If that calculation is correct, it's a good business decision. But I don't buy comics based on business decisions, I buy them for entertainment. The way Bendis writes team books fails to entertain me, so I won't be buying New Avengers or Mighty Avengers. Then again, I rarely buy Marvel Comics anymore, because I don't like the way Quesada is running things.

[DDM]

Wasn't the original X-men supposed to leave the book and go over to the regualr X-men titles at the time anyway? I don't think he had much choice about not using them.


The original X-Factor moved to Uncanny X-Men #281 & X-Men #1 (second series). Peter David's X-Factor #71--Havok, Polaris, Strong Guy, Madrox, & Wolfsbane--essentially took the place of Freedom Force.

[ducklord]

Sad confession:

My first thought when I heard that Cho would be drawing the Mighty Avengers was, "more like the 'Mighty, Mighty Avengers,' 'cause they'll be lettin' it all hang out."

Shake it down, shake it down now,
Mike

[Faded]

Cool, but I wish they could've gone with a different writer. I'll give it a try.

[Ryan K]

Excellent news. I don't read Joe Friday's at all so I had no real inkling about anything like this.

As for Bendis writing it, I'm OK with that too. I hated Avengers Dissassembled like most of the world but I've gradually warmed to his Avengers and his descriptions of what he plans for Mighty Avengers sounds decent to me. As long as there's a couple classic Avengers on there (Wonder Man, Wasp, Hank Pym, She Hulk, Tigra, etc) on the team, I'll be very happy. Hawkeye, Thor, Hercules, Beast, Ms. Marvel, Goliath, and Moon Knight are my best guesses for people who could end up on either team at this point. And I'd be very pleased with any/all of them

I like Frank Cho, so I'm very pleased to see he's involved (TIGRA PLEASE!!!). Though this probably means we won't be seeing a lot of Liberty Meadows until his contract's up. :(

[The Shadow]

Marvel just does not want my money.
Oh, they probably do... they just know more people will buy this than not.

[Ryan K]

Wasn't the original X-men supposed to leave the book and go over to the regualr X-men titles at the time anyway? I don't think he had much choice about not using them.

Yeah, but PAD did get to pick his roster. Erik Larson also pitched an X-Factor concept at the same time that was basically what later became his Freak Force.

[garin]

I'm unhappy to hear that Bendis will be writing Mighty Avengers. This tells me that Marvel thinks that more people are buying New Avengers than *not* buying it because of Bendis. In other words, while there are many fans who buy Mighty Avengers if anybody but Bendis was writing it, Marvel believes that even more will buy Mighty Avengers because Bendis is writing it.This seems like a safe assessment to me, based on the sales of the old Avengers book.

Nobody expected this, though. Personally I like Bendis' work, but I don't care much about the classic Avengers. And if he's consciously trying to write it in a non-Bendis style, what's the point?

[The Shadow]

This tells me that Marvel thinks that more people are buying New Avengers than *not* buying it because of Bendis.
Well, more people ARE buying New Avengers written by Bendis than they were the old Avengers by pretty much everyone else.




As a side note based on Shellhead's post of Beast I hope they don't mutate him back to his old way... I like the feline version.

[Bobster777]

Commenting on the Beast sketch, that's too gorrila like for my taste. Hmm, I wonder if Beast will somehow end up on one of the teams?

[protege]

Excellent news. I don't read Joe Friday's at all so I had no real inkling about anything like this.

As for Bendis writing it, I'm OK with that too. I hated Avengers Dissassembled like most of the world but I've gradually warmed to his Avengers and his descriptions of what he plans for Mighty Avengers sounds decent to me. As long as there's a couple classic Avengers on there (Wonder Man, Wasp, Hank Pym, She Hulk, Tigra, etc) on the team, I'll be very happy. Hawkeye, Thor, Hercules, Beast, Ms. Marvel, Goliath, and Moon Knight are my best guesses for people who could end up on either team at this point. And I'd be very pleased with any/all of them

I like Frank Cho, so I'm very pleased to see he's involved (TIGRA PLEASE!!!). Though this probably means we won't be seeing a lot of Liberty Meadows until his contract's up. :(
Beast and Tigra might make a cute couple.

[Will.S]

Personally I like Bendis' work, but I don't care much about the classic Avengers. And if he's consciously trying to write it in a non-Bendis style, what's the point? Well it's a good challenge for a writer to set up for himself. I don't think it'll be a complete 180 but I'm sure he'll be mixing it up a bit with this book as well as using his own set of rules and writing styles applied to a "classic" formula.

[mushroom2703]

Hmm. Interestingly enough, Joe Q jsut confirmed that US agent will be getting a new name and joining a team by the end of CW. Anyone else getting a vibe from all of this that Cap will be stripped of his costume *officially* and US agent will be registered as Captain America? Agent hates Cap and would love to get at Steve by taking his identity by sanction and joining the pro avengers team. Plus I can see Steve sticking in New to go further underground and uncover the conspiracy he knows is going on with SHIELD. I think he'll be very disillusioned with the govt. by the end of this and ahving both captains on seperate teams woul be a good dynamic, it was interesting at the end of New Invaders ( I miss that title,even if it was executed pretty horribly).

[Haunt]

Hmm. Interestingly enough, Joe Q jsut confirmed that US agent will be getting a new name and joining a team by the end of CW. Anyone else getting a vibe from all of this that Cap will be stripped of his costume *officially* and US agent will be registered as Captain America? Agent hates Cap and would love to get at Steve by taking his identity by sanction and joining the pro avengers team. Plus I can see Steve sticking in New to go further underground and uncover the conspiracy he knows is going on with SHIELD. I think he'll be very disillusioned with the govt. by the end of this and ahving both captains on seperate teams woul be a good dynamic, it was interesting at the end of New Invaders ( I miss that title,even if it was executed pretty horribly).

the last time that US Agent tried that, Cap kicked his a$$.

[mushroom2703]

Very true, but if Cap. goes underground for the foreseeable future after CW and if the pro side wins, he not necessarily - a) going to be in a place to do that and b) well, even if he did, with the law and registration in place, it would particularly affect US Agent, he'd have the rights and the backing.

Just a thought of course. I'm certainly not implying Rogers shouldn't be cap. again, i jsut mean from the govt. and the peoples point of view and amybe even his own, it ma leave him in a place for now where he as cap. wouldn't appopriately represent his beliefs anymore.

[Phrozen]

They should of just named it SSDT* Avengers.

*Same **** Different Title.

It seems that both Marvel and DC don't want me to buy their products.

[Sam T.]

They should of just named it SSDT* Avengers.

*Same **** Different Title.

It seems that both Marvel and DC don't want me to buy their products.


I'll be buying it!! Bendis has been doing some amazing stuff!!

[meethraa]

Yep, yet another well written Avengers book.
This is not good.
I'm not a rich man, dammit!

[Beast]

They should of just named it SSDT* Avengers.

*Same **** Different Title.

It seems that both Marvel and DC don't want me to buy their products.
It's not the same ****, it's going to have a totally different feel than New Avengers.

[Will.S]

Hmm. Interestingly enough, Joe Q jsut confirmed that US agent will be getting a new name and joining a team by the end of CW. Anyone else getting a vibe from all of this that Cap will be stripped of his costume *officially* and US agent will be registered as Captain America? Agent hates Cap and would love to get at Steve by taking his identity by sanction and joining the pro avengers team. Plus I can see Steve sticking in New to go further underground and uncover the conspiracy he knows is going on with SHIELD. I think he'll be very disillusioned with the govt. by the end of this and ahving both captains on seperate teams woul be a good dynamic, it was interesting at the end of New Invaders ( I miss that title,even if it was executed pretty horribly).
US Agent is an interesting one, everytime he tries to take over the Cap identity he gets his ass handed to him and everytime he gets a totally new costume or direction it gets changed back again.

In a way he's to Cap as Guy Gardner is to Hal Jordan but.....more of a loser. Hopefully he'll be made good again.

[algertman]

It's not the same ****, it's going to have a totally different feel than New Avengers.


No it's not. This is Bendis. He writes everything the same

[Jake V]

No it's not. This is Bendis. He writes everything the same
Totally!!

Personally, I can't tell Torso and Ultimate Spider-Man apart.

[Haunt]

Totally!!

Personally, I can't tell Torso and Ultimate Spider-Man apart.


i often have trouble telling suck apart from suck, as well.

[TimmyTony]

i often have trouble telling suck apart from suck, as well.

LOL!

I can't tell repetitive fanboy whine from repetitive fanboy whine either...:)

[Will.S]

i often have trouble telling suck apart from suck, as well.
OMG, Witty!

[algertman]

OMG, Witty!


Far more witty than Bendis writing

[algertman]

Totally!!

Personally, I can't tell Torso and Ultimate Spider-Man apart.

I'm not taling about Torso I'm talking about his MARVEL stuff

Nothing says diversity like having everyone stand around and talk about what they are about to do for a few issues. Then do it, which takes about 6 pages. then stand around and talk some more

[marvelboi77]

Would you mind providing me with some insight as to why you feel this way? I don't really know Cho's work outside of New Avengers.
Just my two-cents on how I feel about the guy with having direct contact with him. I really don't want to get into it again about what happened. But I will be saving my $3. Which is to bad because I love Bendis.

[TimmyTony]

Far more witty than Bendis writing


And yet it's Bendis, Johns, Simone, Slott, Kirkman and all those others, who are actually working for Marvel and DC, not Haunt.;)

[Jake V]

I'm not taling about Torso I'm talking about his MARVEL stuff

Nothing says diversity like having everyone stand around and talk about what they are about to do for a few issues. Then do it, which takes about 6 pages. then stand around and talk some more
You're honestly saying that it's been difficult to tell his Daredevil and New Avengers apart?

The humor in NA sets it apart pretty far on it's own.

I mean, I can understand your underlying point, that you think Bendis sucks and nothing happens in his comics, but wouldn't that come across clearer if you just said it instead of making false declarative statements?

[Jake V]

Just my two-cents on how I feel about the guy with having direct contact with him. I really don't want to get into it again about what happened. But I will be saving my $3. Which is to bad because I love Bendis.
If you don't back up your assertion, no one's gonna believe it.

[Ryan K]

If you don't back up your assertion, no one's gonna believe it.

He might be talking about a thread on the Marvel Board awhile back in which Frank Cho responded to some things being said in there. I don't remember any details, but I remember some posters being offended by his responses.

I did a search and apparently the thread's been deleted. It was from when Shanna The She Devil was first announced and some people were taking pot shots at it before having seen it (IIRC). Cho responded and I beleive things got a little heated.

Could be he's talking about something else completely though.

[Jake V]

He might be talking about a thread on the Marvel Board awhile back in which Frank Cho responded to some things being said in there. I don't remember any details, but I remember some posters being offended by his responses.

I did a search and apparently the thread's been deleted. It was from when Shanna The She Devil was first announced and some people were taking pot shots at it before having seen it (IIRC). Cho responded and I beleive things got a little heated.

Could be he's talking about something else completely though.
Oh wow. How dare Cho respond to a bunch of angry anonymous ********?

[TimmyTony]

Wasn't the whole argument related to perceived homophobia in some comments Cho made?

I could've sworn that even the film Brokeback Mountain was mentioned...

[Sean Whitmore]

Wasn't the whole argument related to perceived homophobia in some comments Cho made?

I could've sworn that even the film Brokeback Mountain was mentioned...


"I don't like the gays! I likes the wimmens with the big thingies!"

Wait, that wasn't Frank Cho, that was Da Vinci...


SEAN

[Mitchel]

I just hope there are more than one woman on each team...what about Ms. Marvel, Black Widow...Tigra, Photon, Jocasta....?

In any case, I will definitely give this a try.
Cho is fantastic and Bendis works great with FC.


My vote for Jocasta too. I'm psyched. If its Beast & Wonder Man with a bunch of avenger chicks I'm going to love this book. With Cho drawing I'd like to see:

Ms. Marvel
Jocasta
Tigra
Moondragon
Wasp
Spider-woman
She-Hulk
Wonder Man
Beast

And the eventual return of the SCARLET WITCH!!!

[Ryan K]

Wasn't the whole argument related to perceived homophobia in some comments Cho made?

I could've sworn that even the film Brokeback Mountain was mentioned...

I don't remember any of the details but Brokeback Mountain couldn't have played into the discussion cause this was way before that movie was out. This was probably a year and a half ago.

[Haunt]

If you don't back up your assertion, no one's gonna believe it.


sure they will.

And yet it's Bendis, Johns, Simone, Slott, Kirkman and all those others, who are actually working for Marvel and DC, not Haunt.;)


prove it.

[marvelboi77]

If you don't back up your assertion, no one's gonna believe it.


Well OK here we go, being that I am a homosexual, and that Frank Cho is a self professed homophobe. Not only in the things that he says, but he has actually admitted this on his own message board. I choose to not spend my money where it will benefit him.

[algertman]

Well OK here we go, being that I am a homosexual, and that Frank Cho is a self professed homophobe. Not only in the things that he says, but he has actually admitted this on his own message board. I choose to not spend my money where it will benefit him.


and thus, I believe you

I had no idea that Frank Cho was like that

[Sam T.]

What's wrong with liking women???

[CyberCoyote]

Well OK here we go, being that I am a homosexual, and that Frank Cho is a self professed homophobe. Not only in the things that he says, but he has actually admitted this on his own message board. I choose to not spend my money where it will benefit him.

True?

I liked comics more before the internet. I didn't know the good and bad in the personal lives of the creators. It shouldn't bother me, I'm NOT a fan of Bendis nor Cho's overdeveloped women that make me think of a super talented 13 year old boy. (not the women, the man behind the art), but as little interest as I had in this book it actually would go downhill if the artist were a self professed homophobe.

It shouldn't matter. Really. But it does to me :confused:

Anyway, I'm completely and totally disgusted that the powers that be at Marvel wouldn't put a new Avengers book in the hands of a new writer who could bring back the disgruntled fans of old. Folks might say, 'what fans, the book sells more now!' It does, and a lot has to do with the hype. Ride the hype, groom some new talent, the name'll sell the book. Bendis doesn't do great action books well, his greatest talents are more down to earth. Fan those flames for the guy and put the classic action in someone else's hands.

What's wrong with liking women???

Nothing at all, but having an automatic dislike for guys that don't is a problem :)

[algertman]

What's wrong with liking women???


what the hell?

This isn't about liking women. It's about hating those people who prefer the same sex. Hell, I'm straight and love women, but if you like people of the same sex, that's your thing, go with it.

[Sam T.]

True?

I liked comics more before the internet. I didn't know the good and bad in the personal lives of the creators. It shouldn't bother me, I'm NOT a fan of Bendis nor Cho's overdeveloped women that make me think of a super talented 13 year old boy. (not the women, the man behind the art), but as little interest as I had in this book it actually would go downhill if the artist were a self professed homophobe.

It shouldn't matter. Really. But it does to me :confused:

Anyway, I'm completely and totally disgusted that the powers that be at Marvel wouldn't put a new Avengers book in the hands of a new writer who could bring back the disgruntled fans of old. Folks might say, 'what fans, the book sells more now!' It does, and a lot has to do with the hype. Ride the hype, groom some new talent, the name'll sell the book. Bendis doesn't do great action books well, his greatest talents are more down to earth. Fan those flames for the guy and put the classic action in someone else's hands.



Nothing at all, but having an automatic dislike for guys that don't is a problem :)


Well nevertheless this book will sell really well no matter what!!

[Haunt]

What's wrong with liking women???


they are the devil! why do you hate freedom?

Well OK here we go, being that I am a homosexual, and that Frank Cho is a self professed homophobe. Not only in the things that he says, but he has actually admitted this on his own message board. I choose to not spend my money where it will benefit him.

shucks. i was kind of hoping that he'd draw Freedom Ring. i think he'd do a good job of it.

[algertman]

they are the devil! why do you hate freedom?


COBRALALALALALALALALA!

[Sam T.]

they are the devil! why do you hate freedom?


who says I do?

[Haunt]

who says I do?


your silence speaks volumes.

[Sam T.]

I shall still get this book...sounds like it will be awesome!!

[Ryan K]

What's wrong with liking women???

Seriously man, what was your thought process behind this remark?

Did you just misread or not understand what was being discussed?

Did you make the remark like "This book will be drawn by Frank Cho - Therefore it will have hot women in it - Anybody who does not like it does not like women -thus what's wrong with liking women"?

Or worst case scenario (and the one it reads like to me), you feel gay men have something against liking women and your comment was directed at them.

[Sam T.]

Seriously man, what was your thought process behind this remark?

Did you just misread or not understand what was being discussed?

Did you make the remark like "This book will be drawn by Frank Cho - Therefore it will have hot women in it - Anybody who does not like it does not like women -thus what's wrong with liking women"?

Or worst case scenario (and the one it reads like to me), you feel gay men have something against liking women and your comment was directed at them.


It was humor...deal with it!!:D

[Beast]

It was humor...deal with it!!:D
It was a poor example of humor.

[The Shadow]

I can't tell repetitive fanboy whine from repetitive fanboy whine either...:)
A most excellent post... especially directed at Haunt.

[The Shadow]

sure they will.
No we won't.

prove it.
Prove you do.

[Will.S]

This thread has turned into pure evil.

[Sam T.]

This thread has turned into pure evil.


I agree with you!!

[BizarroBeachHead]

I'm not going to completely discount this book just yet, but I can't say that I'm immediately interested either. I enjoyed the first half of New Avengers, but it's been a steady slope downhill since, to the point that I dropped it after The Collective arc.

I think it's great that Bendis is challenging himself to write a different book than New Avengers, but it all seems kind of pointless. I mean, once you get past the hilarious irony of the announcement(it's hard, I know!), I still don't think it's a good idea. I certainly wouldn't want any of the current X-writers writing multiple X-Men books.

I generally worry about writers spreading themselves thin*, and right around House of M was when I stopped enjoying Bendis's writing so much.

It's way to early to really tell anything concrete though, I'm going to have to see the team and the outcome of Civil War before I make any decisions regarding this book.

*Then again, I was worried about Brubaker taking over so many Marvel books, and he has yet to disapoint, so what do I know?

[Haunt]

A most excellent post... especially directed at Haunt.


i would think that i'd have to be a fan of Marvel to qualify.

No we won't.


"we?" are you with child?

Prove you do.

Daredevil is Iron Fist.

[Alan2099]

It's Bendis. Even when he says he's doing something new and different it all reads pretty much the same. Talking head and little action. I'm going to be skipping this, just like I skip everything else the guy writes.

Pity too, before I heard he had the job, I was looking forward to this.

[lament]

Pity too, before I heard he had the job, I was looking forward to this.

That's what it boils down to for me. I've dodged NA, because I don't care for Bendis' style, but that's difficult for me because I love the Avengers when it's written correctly. I was really looking forward to a fresh perspective from a fresh writer, and it was a disappointment for me when I found out we're getting the same guy.

[Frank]

This creative team is the very LAST one I would have wanted for a classic Avengers book. However as an Avengers fan I would be stupid as fk to not buy it.

Something tells me though, that Marvel is not interested in seeing certain creators graduate to bigger assigments. I think it would have been the perfect opportunity for guys like Kirkman and Slott to get a name for themselves on a star-making book like this. Plus they would have had the perfect sensibilty for The Might Avengers. Seriously when are these guys going to do bigger books...?

[Young Avenger]

This creative team is the very LAST one I would have wanted for a classic Avengers book. However as an Avengers fan I would be stupid as fk to not buy it.

Bendis didn't say about Mighty Avengers being a classic Avengers book.

[Frank]

Bendis didn't say about Mighty Avengers being a classic Avengers book.

Yes he did say that it`s going to be more old school Avengers adventures like the Lava Men attack and so forth.

[Young Avenger]

Ultimately, if we can use that word any more, the real question is whether the “spirit” of what made the original Avengers so mighty will be preserved in either title. Asked speculatively if the Mighty Avengers was being created to specifically offer a title perhaps more familiar to long-time Avengers fans, Bendis shared his thoughts…

“I know exactly what you mean and I think about it a lot. I really do,” he opined. “I'm here in Cleveland for my brothers wedding after being away for a few years and everything is different. All the stores and buildings have been changed. Everything is different. It’s not my Cleveland anymore. It made me a little sad.

“But it’s new. It’s growing with the times. It’s changing. Sure I want my old city back; the one where I lost my virginity, shoplifted, discovered comic books and all that to remain intact. But it can't. Just like you can't expect Marvel Comics to just make the same kind of stories over and over and over.

“I say read the classic Avengers stories. They’re amazing. I love them and go to them for inspiration all of the time, but imitating them would be death creatively. It would be death to the characters who need to grow and be nurtured, and if that's all we did in comics, comics would die too.”

But he also had these words of assurance for old time fans.

“The good news is even if you hate what I am doing with every fiber of your being,” Bendis said, “you still have decades of those Avengers stories you liked. Nothing I do can change those stories. Go, read them. They're so so good. We're trying new stuff, and I'm so glad so many people try it out. It’s so amazing to me you have no idea and I take the responsibility of it very seriously…and Frank draws great superhero butts.”

“These are the Avengers,” he concluded, “and we're going to try to do new things with that ideal in every way shape or form. And man is this book gorgeous! Just gorgeous!"

Does that sound like he's doing classic Avengers to you?

[Beast]

Does that sound like he's doing classic Avengers to you?
The other comments about the theme behind the books do. Adventure, excitement, and thought balloons. It is going to be much more in keeping with the original tone and feel of the Classic Avengers. ;)

[Bobster777]

The other comments about the theme behind the books do. Adventure, excitement, and thought balloons. It is going to be much more in keeping with the original tone and feel of the Classic Avengers. ;)
That's cool. I can go for some classic stories myself. Hopefully, they will only have a classic feel, and not be some rip off story from the past.

[Faded]

*giggles*

Commenting on the Beast sketch, that's too gorrila like for my taste. Hmm, I wonder if Beast will somehow end up on one of the teams?

I feel the same way. I couldn't put my finger on what was off, but yeah...I agree.

Anyway, if Cho is to be proven a homophobic, I think I just may not pick this up after all.

[Sam T.]

*giggles*



I feel the same way. I couldn't put my finger on what was off, but yeah...I agree.

Anyway, if Cho is to be proven a homophobic, I think I just may not pick this up after all.


I really don't believe he is a homophobic!! He draws great looking people thats really what I care about!

[Young Avenger]

If Cho is homophobic that won't steer me away from his work as long as his views ain't present in them.

[lament]

"The good news is even if you hate what I am doing with every fiber of your being,” Bendis said, “you still have decades of those Avengers stories you liked. Nothing I do can change those stories. Go, read them."

Wow, it sounds like Bendis really wants longtime fans to read his books. If we don't like it, read the old stuff? I guess I will.

And yeah, if Cho is homophobic, that would turn me off.

[Ryan K]

I don't care one way or another, but I'd like to see links to these alleged "homophobic" remarks just so I know a man's name isn't getting dragged through the mud without some reason.

[Bobster777]

I don't care one way or another, but I'd like to see links to these alleged "homophobic" remarks just so I know a man's name isn't getting dragged through the mud without some reason.
Exactly, I wish people would stop talking about this unless they have proof. It's just not fair to the guy.

[garin]

Wow, it sounds like Bendis really wants longtime fans to read his books. If we don't like it, read the old stuff? I guess I will.

And yeah, if Cho is homophobic, that would turn me off.Would you be happier if he'd said "Even if you hate what I am doing with every fiber of your being, you should still buy it!"

What he said is just common sense, but people sometimes seem to need reminding of that simple truth. I'm sure he'd prefer it if you'd read and enjoy his work.

[lament]

Would you be happier if he'd said "Even if you hate what I am doing with every fiber of your being, you should still buy it!"


The point I was trying to make is that he seems awfully dismissive of longtime fans.

[Jake V]

The point I was trying to make is that he seems awfully dismissive of longtime fans.
Wouldn't the success of New Avengers give him reason to be?

[Bobster777]

The point I was trying to make is that he seems awfully dismissive of longtime fans.
I agree he could have said things better, but you have to admit, longtime fans are pretty dismissive of Bendis as well.

[RichStanz]

The other comments about the theme behind the books do. Adventure, excitement, and thought balloons. It is going to be much more in keeping with the original tone and feel of the Classic Avengers. ;)

That's what i'm looking forward to, as well.

The question I raised in another thread was that Bendis says he loves the Avengers, but audiences have had a mixed response to the work that serves as proof.
Does this mean he is never able to try again? Should he be banned from writing any future Avengers stories b/c people were not fond of "disassembled" and the Ronin and Sentry arcs?

B/c going by that sentiment Claremont can't write X-men anymore, Miller can't write Batman anymore, and Austen isn't allowed to write anything.

[Jake V]

and Austen isn't allowed to write anything.
I can live with that.

[lament]

Does this mean he is never able to try again? Should he be banned from writing any future Avengers stories b/c people were not fond of "disassembled" and the Ronin and Sentry arcs?


No one is saying he can't "try again." Some people would just prefer that he not be on two Avengers books. It would be nice to see someone else get to try for the first time.

[Bobster777]

No one is saying he can't "try again." Some people would just prefer that he not be on two Avengers books. It would be nice to see someone else get to try for the first time.
Actually, there are people, who if they had the power, wouldn't let him try again. So, there are some people saying he can't "try again."

Still, I agree with the second part of your statement. There are a lot of great writers in this industry, and they should get a shot at a major title. Bendis already has one of the Avengers book. He should have just deferred this book to another writer out of goodwill. I like Bendis, but like other people, I would like to see Mighty avengers written from another perspective.

[miserable fish]

I don't know about anyone else, but I would love it if Millar steps in on Mighty Avengers down the line. He seems like the right kind of writer for it.

[Bobster777]

I don't know about anyone else, but I would love it if Millar steps in on Mighty Avengers down the line. He seems like the right kind of writer for it.
Oh man, I would love that. However, if Mighty Avengers is supposed to have a classic feel, I don't know if he will fit with fans. I'm just basing that from Ultimates though. I have no doubt Millar can bring a great spin to 616 Avengers that everyone will love.

[RichStanz]

I like Bendis, but like other people, I would like to see Mighty avengers written from another perspective.

But whose to say that Bendis can't or won't write from another perspective? One that actually satiates classic Avengers fans.

I could go either way about giving the 2nd avengers book to Bendis or a new writer. But it seems like, at least going by how he talked at San Diego, that Bendis wants to attempt to write this in a voice, different from his usual style.

Sooooo, I'm going to wait until I ACTUALLY read the issue, before I determine if this is a good idea or not.

[Bobster777]

But whose to say that Bendis can't or won't write from another perspective? One that actually satiates classic Avengers fans.

I could go either way about giving the 2nd avengers book to Bendis or a new writer. But it seems like, at least going by how he talked at San Diego, that Bendis wants to attempt to write this in a voice, different from his usual style.

Sooooo, I'm going to wait until I ACTUALLY read the issue, before I determine if this is a good idea or not.
He can, but he is still the one writing it. I'm talking about a perspective from another person. I already know what Bendis can do. I'll continue to be able to see in the New Avengers book. I'd like to see what another writer could do with Mighty Avengers. I don't mind that Bendis is writing Mighty, I'll still read it. However, I would prefer a different writer.

[Sean Whitmore]

Sooooo, I'm going to wait until I ACTUALLY read the issue, before I determine if this is a good idea or not.


*Gasp!*

Who let YOU on the Internet? :eek:


SEAN

[Young Avenger]

I don't know about anyone else, but I would love it if Millar steps in on Mighty Avengers down the line. He seems like the right kind of writer for it.

I think Millar would be better off on New Avengers.

[The Shadow]

Anyway, if Cho is to be proven a homophobic, I think I just may not pick this up after all.
Why would someone's personal views stop you from buying a comic?

Seperate the man from the professional who does great work.

[The Shadow]

*Gasp!*

Who let YOU on the Internet? :eek:


SEAN
LOL

:D :D

[Violently Apathetic]

A most excellent post... especially directed at Haunt.

*raises eyebrow* You're one to talk, Shadow old boy, or should I just keep repeating 'Winick, Winick, Winick!' until your head explodes? I'm just teasing, but come on, we're all entitled to a good whine once in a while.

Anyway, I am still excited about the book even though the creative team does not thrill me. I do like Bendis, I'm just pretty sure he hates me. Yes me, personally. I base this on the fact that everytime I start to get really involved and excited about something he's writing he does something that makes be doubletake and go 'WTF?' like killing off a character I really and other such stuff. He is a good writer (though not a great one, IMHO) despite a few things I'd consider mistakes and as a result I am catiously optimistic about the new book.

[DDM]

Wouldn't the success of New Avengers give him reason to be?

New Avengers won't outlast Bendis when he leaves the book. New Avengers will either be cancelled or merge into the main The Avengers book at some point. Although his books supposedly sell, in the long run, New Avengers will be easily forgotten when Joe Quesada is no longer Marvel's Editor-in-Chief.

[DDM]

The point I was trying to make is that he seems awfully dismissive of longtime fans.

As with the cancelled X-Statix & the currently published New Avengers, Nu Marvel likes to throw the baby out with the bath water. It does not make any sense to me.

[garin]

Although his books supposedly sell, in the long run, New Avengers will be easily forgotten when Joe Quesada is no longer Marvel's Editor-in-Chief.They supposedly sell? Are Diamond part of the vast left-wing conspiracy all of a sudden?

Setting aside the fact that it's completely irrelevant to the discussion, I don't understand why you think that matters in the slightest. The New Avengers is Bendis' baby, if it dies with him that would be fine with me. I'll enjoy it while it lasts, like everything else.

[algertman]

They supposedly sell? Are Diamond part of the vast left-wing conspiracy all of a sudden?

Setting aside the fact that it's completely irrelevant to the discussion, I don't understand why you think that matters in the slightest. The New Avengers is Bendis' baby, if it dies with him that would be fine with me. I'll enjoy it while it lasts, like everything else.


jeez. Fanboy much? it's not his "baby"

He didn't created any of the charecters. Ronin doesn't count.

There was Avengers comics before bendis and will be Avengers comics after bendis

[Jake V]

New Avengers won't outlast Bendis when he leaves the book. New Avengers will either be cancelled or merge into the main The Avengers book at some point. Although his books supposedly sell, in the long run, New Avengers will be easily forgotten when Joe Quesada is no longer Marvel's Editor-in-Chief.
Is this your new unfounded claim?

I remember your last one was that New Avengers wouldn't last beyond 18 issues.

And the one before that was that it wouldn't last beyond 9 issues.

This is why no one takes you seriously.

[garin]

jeez. Fanboy much?
Board rules prohibit me from being as abusive to you as I'd like, Albert. Let's just pretend it's in there.

it's not his "baby"

He didn't created any of the charecters. Ronin doesn't count.

He set the wheels in motion for the book to spin out of the old series. He came up with the new roster, the new headquarters, and the new mandate. He's written it since it's inception, and developed the tone and direction of the title.

If Bendis isn't the architect and driving force behind New Avengers, why does he catch so much **** about every aspect of the book? Make up your mind.

There was Avengers comics before bendis and will be Avengers comics after bendisOf course there will be. There may very well even be New Avengers after Bendis. I think DDM is the one you want to argue with here.

[Gold guardian]

Good- Beast back to his ape look! It's about damn time. I hate that cat look.

Bad - Cho says he adds one very important ingredient to the legacy of the Earth's Mightiest Heroes: "Boobs."

Very "mature" Cho. I'm sorry but I could do with out them sexualizing the Female heros. I like Spider-girl becuse she has a good personailty not becuse she has a rack. The trend of "big boobs" super girls has got to go. Look at poor Power girl over at Dc. They made her go form average size to gimungus. To me she was more appealing BEFORE her bust got super sized.

Female super heros should be treated with respect. Not made into sex objects.

Worse- Bendis is writting it. So much for any hope of getting a GOODalternate averengers title. Don't get me wrong not ALL of Bendis works are back. He's just not cut out for writting anythign close to what the Classic avenergers are.

[Beast]

New Avengers won't outlast Bendis when he leaves the book. New Avengers will either be cancelled or merge into the main The Avengers book at some point. Although his books supposedly sell, in the long run, New Avengers will be easily forgotten when Joe Quesada is no longer Marvel's Editor-in-Chief.
Thank you for that look of the future, Destiny.

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

New Avengers Although his books supposedly sell, in the long run, New Avengers will be easily forgotten when Joe Quesada is no longer Marvel's Editor-in-Chief.


LMAO!!!!!! :D

The funniest post I've read in a long time...

[Beast]

LMAO!!!!!! :D

The funniest post I've read in a long time...
Funny and sad, since he actually believes that.

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

Funny and sad, since he actually believes that.


Saying that New Avengers "supposedly sells" is like saying that Pirates Of The Caribbean 2 is "supposedly making tons of money at the box office" or that Michael Jackson's Thriller was "allegedly a big seller"

[Ryan K]

Why would someone's personal views stop you from buying a comic?

Seperate the man from the professional who does great work.

I personally could care less about a comic creator's personal views as long as it doesn't show through the work. The new X-Men writer could be a Nazi and as long as his beliefs don't come into play I'll buy it. I'm interested enough in the medium that I don't care about artist's personal beliefs.

That said I can understand why someone would choose to not buy a creator's work based on their personal beliefs. Purchasing a comic by that creator puts money into the creator's pocket (albeit a small amount and maybe not even directly). Personally I can't worry about where my $3 is going and how that affects the life of the Nazi X-Men writer, but I can understand if people choose to not to support the creator or his work on principal.

[Ryan K]

Oh and I found this on Frank Cho's Message Board:

http://www.comicscommunity.com/boards/frankcho/?read=69083&expand=1#69083

[algertman]

Saying that New Avengers "supposedly sells" is like saying that Pirates Of The Caribbean 2 is "supposedly making tons of money at the box office" or that Michael Jackson's Thriller was "allegedly a big seller"


Is it wrong of me to think you were about to make Micheal Jackson joke about him having sex w/ kids?

[Beast]

Is it wrong of me to think you were about to make Micheal Jackson joke about him having sex w/ kids?
No, but it seems that you have.

[GrandMaster Funk]

Reteaming Wonderman and Beast would rock, but I do enjoy how Whedon writes him.

Anyone want to take a stab at the characters on the team, who have never been on an Avenger team? I have my fingers crossed for Paul Jenkins.

[The Shadow]

*raises eyebrow* You're one to talk, Shadow old boy, or should I just keep repeating 'Winick, Winick, Winick!' until your head explodes? I'm just teasing, but come on, we're all entitled to a good whine once in a while.
:o

The difference is other than Barry Ween Winick hasn't done anything like Bendis from sales to consistency.

Bendis didn't almost ruin three different books, causing one to get restarted and another to bring back Jason Todd with a retcon punch (Lamest. Return. Ever.)

If Bendis had a tendancy to cause every book he wrote to plummet in sales and he didn't produce book slike Alias, Jinx, Daredevil, Powers or Ultimate Spider-Man (not even including New Avengers here) the ranters would have SOME point.

[Haunt]

Reteaming Wonderman and Beast would rock, but I do enjoy how Whedon writes him.

Anyone want to take a stab at the characters on the team, who have never been on an Avenger team?

the new White Tiger whom Bendis created; more than likely.

[Will.S]

Reteaming Wonderman and Beast would rock, but I do enjoy how Whedon writes him.

Anyone want to take a stab at the characters on the team, who have never been on an Avenger team? I have my fingers crossed for Paul Jenkins.
Interestingly enough Beta Ray Bill.

[Violently Apathetic]

:o

Bendis didn't almost ruin three different books, causing one to get restarted and another to bring back Jason Todd with a retcon punch (Lamest. Return. Ever.)


I don't know, I think the retcon punch wasn't really Winick's idea alone, seeing as it has been used to explain a number of different incidents unrelated to Jason Todd OR Winick. Certainly the return of Jason Todd is much less intrusive than 'No More Mutants' and only a little more insulting to the readers intellect than 'Suddenly the Scarlet Witch is insane and Hawkeye is a retard'

That's not really my point though (Not that another futile Winick based argument with you wouldn’t be fun, I miss our talks ;) ) , the point is that repetitive fanboy whining is a part of the fandom, no matter what book, writer or character is being discussed and since the majority of us do it we really shouldn't be too quick to criticize others for doing the same. High profile writers like Bendis, Millar and to a much lesser extent Winick are bound to be polarizing, it’s just how the fandom is.

[protege]

the new White Tiger whom Bendis created; more than likely.
I'm hoping it's Daredevil...

[Will.S]

The name of the title still feels....incomplete to me.

It almost sounds too much like the baby versions of the Avengers the Mighty 'Vengers. I would have preferred if they kept the old moniker in "Earth's Mightiest Heroes: The Avengers" but it's all good I guess.

[bjtrdff]

Looks like the teams will be comprised how i (and others) thought they would be....

most NA with Cap (only IM and Marvel not), and the NA team relativel intact (which makes sense since half the team are bendis' fave characters...)

NA:

Cap
Spidey
Cage
Spider-Woman
Sentry (after he sasses thor)
herc
falcon
wolverine


and ares maybe?.....

[marvelboi77]

I don't care one way or another, but I'd like to see links to these alleged "homophobic" remarks just so I know a man's name isn't getting dragged through the mud without some reason.
Go to this website and go to his Forum. http://www.libertymeadows.com/ I would say just ask him if he is homophobic, because that's what I did after reading his remarks, and his answer was yes. The threads about this got pretty heated, and have since been erased. But go on there and ask around

[marvelboi77]

Exactly, I wish people would stop talking about this unless they have proof. It's just not fair to the guy.
I've met the guy, and read his remarks. The guy is a #1 jerk, but that's just my opinion I'm sure some people dislike me too.

[marvelboi77]

Oh and I found this on Frank Cho's Message Board:

http://www.comicscommunity.com/boards/frankcho/?read=69083&expand=1#69083


That was some of the stuff that I read over there, but there was much more then this thread. From what I read on this thread it sounded like the poster had read other things on there too.

[Mr.Musgrave]

I've met the guy, and read his remarks. The guy is a #1 jerk, but that's just my opinion I'm sure some people dislike me too.


Why? Because he's homophobic? He's uncomfortable around flamboyantly gay people. So what? Is he calling for bans on gays? No. It's just more fun to be hypocritical and drag someone through the mud because you don't like how they think.

[TimmyTony]

Why? Because he's homophobic? He's uncomfortable around flamboyantly gay people. So what? Is he calling for bans on gays? No. It's just more fun to be hypocritical and drag someone through the mud because you don't like how they think.

Well, we are all entitled to express our opinions, dislikes, thoughts.

Just like Cho can be honest and talk about how uncomfortable he feels about flamboyant gay guys (which really hints at issues of mysoginy...remember that "sissies" are effeminate. "womanly" gays; and that wouldn't surprise me -mysoginy- in a guy that is famous for drawing women as walking tits, sexual objects' all crotch, butt and gigantic cleavages), we are all entitled to opine that Cho is a homophobe.

[Sean Whitmore]

The name of the title still feels....incomplete to me.

It almost sounds too much like the baby versions of the Avengers the Mighty 'Vengers. I would have preferred if they kept the old moniker in "Earth's Mightiest Heroes: The Avengers" but it's all good I guess.


They might want to keep that name free for more Joe Casey mini-series (which I hope is a sign that there'll be many more of them :) ).


SEAN

[Mr.Musgrave]

Well, we are all entitled to express our opinions, dislikes, thoughts.

Just like Cho can be honest and talk about how uncomfortable he feels about flamboyant gay guys (which really hints at issues of mysoginy...remember that "sissies" are effeminate. "womanly" gays; and that wouldn't surprise me -mysoginy- in a guy that is famous for drawing women as walking tits, sexual objects' all crotch, butt and gigantic cleavages), we are all entitled to opine that Cho is a homophobe.

Except that Cho is being bashed for expressing his opinion, which is entirely hypocritical. Cho is a bad man for being a homopobe but you lot are good folks for bashing him because of it. "Everyone can express their opinion freely as long as everyone else agrees with it." :rolleyes:

[Shellhead]

Except that Cho is being bashed for expressing his opinion, which is entirely hypocritical. Cho is a bad man for being a homopobe but you lot are good folks for bashing him because of it. "Everyone can express their opinion freely as long as everyone else agrees with it." :rolleyes:

Is that your opinion? In my opinion, your opinion sucks. And that's how opinions work. If you express an opinion, people are allowed to express their opinion about your opinion. Unless maybe you live in some kind of dictatorship where you aren't allowed to express opinions. I live in the United States, where we are entitled to free speech. And if Mr. Cho has made homophobic remarks, I am free to express my disgust at his narrow-minded bigotry. Assuming Cho is an American, it's ironic that a man with his last name would turn out to be a bigot, because that is truely hypocrisy.

[Mr.Musgrave]

Is that your opinion? In my opinion, your opinion sucks. And that's how opinions work. If you express an opinion, people are allowed to express their opinion about your opinion. Unless maybe you live in some kind of dictatorship where you aren't allowed to express opinions. I live in the United States, where we are entitled to free speech. And if Mr. Cho has made homophobic remarks, I am free to express my disgust at his narrow-minded bigotry. Assuming Cho is an American, it's ironic that a man with his last name would turn out to be a bigot, because that is truely hypocrisy.


Being homophobic and being a bigot are two different things. If you're going to be "outraged" at something, you should at least get the terminology right. All he's said is that flamboyantly gay people make him uncomfortable. He never said he hates gays, or that he thinks they should be banned. Just that flamboyantly gay people make him nervous. Of course, the facts mean very little to hypocrits. It's easier to be outraged since it's the hip thng to do.

Of course, your "if he is american/last name" bit proves my point the best. That just cracked me up, Mr.Pot.

[TimmyTony]

Except that Cho is being bashed for expressing his opinion, which is entirely hypocritical. Cho is a bad man for being a homopobe but you lot are good folks for bashing him because of it. "Everyone can express their opinion freely as long as everyone else agrees with it." :rolleyes:

But you "bashed" the poster for "bashing" Cho for expressing his opinion, which would make you a hipocrite too, correct?


And did I "bash" Cho?


Nope.

I agree that's how opinions work:
"I don't like flamboyant gay men"
"My opinion is that he is a homophobe"
"I think your opinion sucks"
"I think that your opinion of my opinion sucks"
"I think all of our opinions suck"

Ad nauseaum.


That's the way it is.

[TimmyTony]

Assuming Cho is an American, it's ironic that a man with his last name would turn out to be a bigot, because that is truely hypocrisy.

I agree.
Now imagine if a white creator had said that he felt uncomfortable around Asians who don't assimilate into our culture or Asians with a strong accent?

I wonder how Mr.Cho would feel, even though I bet he is an American-born citizen and probably has no accent whatsoever...

[Alan2099]

And what's wrong with being uncomfortable around people that are different than you? I doubt there's a person on this message baord that isn't uncomfortable around some group of people.

[Phrozen]

And what's wrong with being uncomfortable around people that are different than you? I doubt there's a person on this message baord that isn't uncomfortable around some group of people.

I think I am getting uncomfortable being around a large part of comics fanbase.

[Faded]

Why would someone's personal views stop you from buying a comic?

Seperate the man from the professional who does great work.

It would leave a bad taste in my mouth is all.

Besides, I'm not a big fan of Cho's work anyway where I'd feel compelled to pick it up. ;)

[The Shadow]

I think I am getting uncomfortable being around a large part of comics fanbase.
GREAT post!

:D

[Bobster777]

Assuming Cho is an American, it's ironic that a man with his last name would turn out to be a bigot, because that is truely hypocrisy.
So what, because he is Asian he can't have biases? I'm Asian, and I have a right to feel what I want to feel. I don't have a right to limit the quality of life of others (such as not hiring someone just because I have a bias), but I can feel what I want to feel. That doesn't make me a hypocrite. If he is limiting the rights of homosexuals, then yes, call him a hypocrite. You have no proof of that.

[Mjolnir]

I think a main reason we think that Mighty will be about the PRO team is because there is an indication that Wonder Man will be in this team. So unless Wondy switches over to the Anti side by the end of CW, this looks like it will have the Pro guys.

Hm but i've thought that Wonder Man WILL swap, cus i think a solit said Ms. Marvel's friend changes sides...but it could be Arachne?
...
Or not?

[Bobster777]

Hm but i've thought that Wonder Man WILL swap, cus i think a solit said Ms. Marvel's friend changes sides...but it could be Arachne?
...
Or not?
Spoiler Yeah, it will be Arache. One of the solicits spoils it. End of Spoiler

[Mr.Musgrave]

But you "bashed" the poster for "bashing" Cho for expressing his opinion, which would make you a hipocrite too, correct?


Nope. I'm bashing his hypocrisy.

[Nick Kal]

...

I think that this book could be interesting depending on the rosters of the two teams. We know Storm will be somewhere... that excites me.

[Bobster777]

...

I think that this book could be interesting depending on the rosters of the two teams. We know Storm will be somewhere... that excites me.
Wow, really? I didn't know Storm would be an Avenger. That's cool. Yeah, I'm excited about that too.

[Pheonix-NoRelation]

Wow, really? I didn't know Storm would be an Avenger. That's cool. Yeah, I'm excited about that too.

Well ,we don't really know she'll be an Avenger. But most likely yeah. If not, then she'll be in FF, which I doubt.